[02:50] <iGotNoTime> You all talk wayyyyy too much!
[03:12] <Sergi0> iGotNoTime: i cant keep up too
[03:13] <iGotNoTime> sooo fast, drives me nuts
[03:13] <iGotNoTime> thank god for logging :)
[03:24] <FreshWater> whats so good about ubuntu/edubuntu, what packages does the installer come with?
[03:25] <Burgundavia> FreshWater: do you mean, what is installed by default?
[03:26] <FreshWater> yeah, so there are packages downloadable aswell
[03:26] <FreshWater> just give a link to
[03:26] <Sergi0> FreshWater: u try'd synaptic?
[03:26] <Burgundavia> FreshWater: in a nutshell, ubuntu is designed to be an easy to use linux that retains the powerful linux stuff
[03:27] <Burgundavia> FreshWater: edubuntu is a custom version of Ubuntu for educators
[03:27] <FreshWater> i'm a gentoo user, but want to find out about ubuntu/
[03:27] <Burgundavia> basically, edubuntu is ubuntu + educational apps 
[03:27] <Burgundavia> + ltsp
[03:27] <Burgundavia> FreshWater: http://edubuntu.org/tour.html
[03:28] <Burgundavia> FreshWater: and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Website/Desktop (a work in progress, but it talks about what ubuntu is, on hte desktop)
[03:31] <FreshWater> ok had a look, but, other than the packages on the CD, is there an easy way to install others?
[03:31] <Burgundavia> FreshWater: absolutely
[03:32] <Burgundavia> FreshWater: ubuntu is debian based and includes apt, with two very easy graphical front ends
[03:32] <Burgundavia> grab the live cd and look at Add/Remove on the Applications menu
[03:32] <FreshWater> ok yeah APT, i read about that, cheers
[03:33] <Burgundavia> FreshWater: what are you looking for in a distro?
[03:34] <FreshWater> like i said i use Gentoo, that suits me just fine, but doing some research for some newbies, and want to get my fact straight
[03:37] <iGotNoTime> I am a noob, want an opinion?
[03:37] <iGotNoTime> I have tried several distros straight from XP
[03:38] <iGotNoTime> Xandros was good but messed up one of my hard drives trying to mount.....
[03:38] <iGotNoTime> Mepis feels very outdated....
[03:38] <Burgundavia> FreshWater: having converted two people from windows straight to Ubuntu, I can tell you that they love it
[03:38] <iGotNoTime> Kubuntu had install issues with the cdrom
[03:38] <Burgundavia> one was moderately technical, the other not at all
[03:38] <iGotNoTime> Ubuntu had kernal mismatch on the iso
[03:39] <iGotNoTime> and Edubuntu installed flawless and has an awesome community giving support 24 hours :)
[03:39] <iGotNoTime> I have since install Edu onto 3 computers and my laptop
[03:39] <iGotNoTime> my brother now uses it and even my parents now use it
[03:39] <iGotNoTime> they love it
[03:40] <iGotNoTime> I am happy, and never have had any problems that did not get resolved just from IRC
[03:40] <iGotNoTime> SUSE was a nightmare because I am a noob, same with Gentoo :)
[03:41] <iGotNoTime> CentOS cooked my Bios and I had to buy another motherboard
[03:41] <iGotNoTime> Edubuntu is my favorite and I am only 6 weeks into it :)
[03:41] <iGotNoTime> perfect for noobs like me :)
[03:43] <iGotNoTime> I don't even know if I run Breezy or Dapper :P It just works LOL
[03:44] <Sergi0> iGotNoTime: then probaly u got breezy, that works. dapper is not very productive :) (well for me atm)
[03:44] <iGotNoTime> hehe
[03:55] <FreshWater> yes i could imagine Gentoo being a nightmare for a noob :) 
[04:02] <cafuego_> !lart me
[04:03] <cafuego_> lovely
[04:09] <bimberi> cafuego_: cheers! :)
[04:14] <cafuego_> !lart bimberi
[04:14] <cafuego_> bimberi: no worries :-)
[04:17] <Sergi0> rofl
[04:21] <cafuego_> not necessarily a golden one, but hey
[04:21] <cafuego_> who can complain in these times of water restrictions ;-)
[04:27] <Sergi0> :)
[04:33] <bimberi> yep, parched here too - we'll be in those Dune-style reticulation suits soon
[04:33] <bimberi> !ltsp
[04:33] <ubotu> rumour has it, ltsp is when you get an error where you log in, then get logged out right away, run sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys on the server in a terminal, then reboot a client and try logging in. Make sure the user trying to log in exists on the server.
[04:34] <bimberi> !ltsperror is  when you get an error where you log in, then get logged out right away, run sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys on the server in a terminal, then reboot a client and try logging in. Make sure the user trying to log in exists on the server.
[04:34] <ubotu> bimberi: okay
[04:35] <Sergi0> !ltsperror
[04:35] <ubotu> I guess ltsperror is when you get an error where you log in, then get logged out right away, run sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys on the server in a terminal, then reboot a client and try logging in. Make sure the user trying to log in exists on the server.
[04:35] <Sergi0> oh, i was away
[04:35] <Sergi0> bye then :)
[04:36] <bimberi> !no ltsp is the Linux Terminal Server Project - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientHowto (for Breezy), https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTSPHowTo (pre Breezy).  See also http://www.ltsp.org/
[04:36] <ubotu> okay, bimberi
[06:36] <iGotNoTime> BOO!!!
[06:36] <iGotNoTime> Ha I scared the hell outta all you fools :P
[06:38] <iGotNoTime> got to admit it was good ;)
[08:21] <bimberi> highvoltage...
[08:21] <bimberi> !goodmorning
[08:21] <ubotu> Gooooooooooooooooooooooooodmorning #edubuntu! It looks like another beautiful ubuntuous day, may humanity be with you and your problems be solved :)
[08:21] <bimberi> :)
[08:21] <highvoltage> morning bimberi!
[08:21] <highvoltage> he. hi ubotu 
[08:22] <highvoltage> !edubuntu
[08:22] <ubotu> Edubuntu is the education version of ubuntu (essentially ubuntu + educational apps + ltsp).  Website - http://www.edubuntu.org. Tour - http://edubuntu.org/tour.html
[08:22] <Burgundavia> wow, we have our own bot to abuse
[08:25] <JaneW> To all those that were pinging me over the week-end. I am here now...
[08:26] <Burgundavia> JaneW: I was not pinging you, but good morning
[08:26] <Burgundavia> HedgeMage: salut
[08:26] <JaneW> hi Burgundavia 
[08:26] <HedgeMage> hi Burgundavia 
[08:26] <JaneW> I have a feeling it was highvoltage/Pygi/spacey
[08:26] <Burgundavia> I see the light at the end of the tunnel for the Ubuntu book
[08:27] <Burgundavia> which means I get more time to work on other pieces of docs, like the edubuntu install stuff
[08:29] <highvoltage> hi JaneW 
[08:29] <JaneW> Burgundavia: cool
[08:30] <JaneW> highvoltage: hello
[08:30] <highvoltage> JaneW: Edubuntu has some serious competition, did you see?
[08:30] <highvoltage> JaneW: http://www.divisiontwo.com/articles/barbieOS.htm
[08:30] <jsgotangco> seriously, that is one OS my daughter would use over ubuntu
[08:30] <JaneW> hahaha
[08:31] <JaneW> that won;t be free in any sense of the word
[08:31] <jsgotangco> but im sure my kid will use it
[08:32] <JaneW> ok so we need ubuntu with a pink skin...
[08:32] <highvoltage> JaneW: hmmm... that might seriously be a good idea.
[08:33] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: probably not as default theme though :)
[08:34] <JaneW> grisl!?
[08:34] <JaneW> that was *meant* to say girls
[08:34] <JaneW> serious freudian there
[08:35] <Burgundavia> http://live.gnome.org/GnomeArt/PlusPack
[08:35] <jsgotangco> we'll need serious backing from mattel though if we would like to use the image
[08:35] <Burgundavia> why not create our own women to do it?
[08:35] <JaneW> I would stay away from Barbie per se
[08:36] <Burgundavia> make it more sciency/techy
[08:36] <Burgundavia> to encourage women into those areas
[08:36] <JaneW> and just got with a pink girly theme
[08:36] <JaneW> and possbly a custom character
[08:36] <JaneW> and Brat's are far cooler than Barbie
[08:36] <JaneW> IMHO
[08:36] <jsgotangco> no! i like my women blond and plastic!
[08:37] <JaneW> hehe
[08:37] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco: that says things about you I didn't need to know :)
[08:37] <jsgotangco> wahahaha
[08:41] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: sick?
[08:41] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: how's the recovery from the fall going?
[08:43] <JaneW> fall?
[08:45] <jsgotangco> long story
[08:48] <JaneW> oic
[09:08] <highvoltage> bedtime... i wish :)
[09:10] <JaneW> yum
[09:12] <highvoltage> yum?
[09:13] <Burgundavia> it is great, rooibos has been getting cheaper in Canada recently
[09:13] <Burgundavia> makes my fix less expensive
[09:16] <highvoltage> rooibos tea is great yes. you can actually drink something that's not water that doesn't contain sugar or caffeine or anything else that you shouldn't drink
[09:18] <Pygi> bah, highvoltage =P
[09:18] <Burgundavia> Pygi: healthy things are good for you
[09:19] <Pygi> Burgundavia: have I said anything? ^_^
[09:19] <Pygi> Burgundavia: sleep is healty for me ^_^
[09:19] <JaneW> I go through phases with it
[09:20] <Pygi> hi Jane, how are you ? ^_^
[09:20] <JaneW> apart from horribly stiff neck
[09:20] <JaneW> not sure why
[09:21] <Pygi> I started assembling new layout, and I'll probably send it today...just having problems with my idiotic ISP
[09:21] <JaneW> great thanks
[09:22] <Pygi> I still don't see how was I able to get 1.6GB download, and just 4MB upload in 3 hours considering I was idle :-/
[09:22] <Pygi> and relation download:upload isn't good
[09:23] <Pygi> bah, just problems with this ISP :-/
[09:24] <Pygi> JaneW: when can we setup a meeting?
[09:25] <JaneW> sure
[09:26] <Pygi> JaneW: sure what? =P When do you, highvoltage, and spacey have time (and maybe ogra) have time? =P
[09:27] <JaneW> we'll need to wait for ogra to get in, to check his current availability
[09:27] <Pygi> JaneW: ah, k, agreed ^_^
[09:27] <JaneW> I can make myself available almost anytime (with some prior warning) between 7:00 - 14:00 UTC
[09:28] <JaneW> and sometimes after that, but I have other commitments later than that
[09:30] <Pygi> JaneW: I can from 9:00 - 14:00 UTC 
[09:30] <Pygi> I believe at least :-/
[09:30] <Pygi> at
[09:30] <Pygi> at least this week...but you have to say earlier...
[09:34] <Pygi> at 14:00 UTC must be end of meeting
[09:38] <JaneW> yes preferably
[09:40] <Pygi> JaneW: yup, for me as well  ^_^
[09:52] <spacey> i can as well
[09:52] <spacey> except today
[09:52] <spacey> :p
[09:53] <Pygi> spacey: well, not today
[10:04] <Pygi> highvoltage: are you available this week from 9:00 UTC to 14:00 UTC?
[10:05] <highvoltage> Pygi: i'm at work, during that time, but i could take a break somewhere in there
[10:06] <Pygi> highvoltage: well, I have to cancel some of things as well, so we'll need to agree on time like few days before
[10:06] <Pygi> and jane, ogra, and spacey have to do same probably
[11:49] <jsgotangco> Seveas: flash mob meeting?
[11:50] <Seveas> hm?
[11:51] <jsgotangco> in -meeting
[11:51] <jsgotangco> or a CoC review?
[11:54] <highvoltage> hmm... left channel by accident.
[11:54] <highvoltage> for those not in #ubuntu-meeting, the CC supports the concept of forming Edubuntu loco teams
[11:55] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[11:55] <jsgotangco> what's the difference?
[11:55] <highvoltage> The Italian loco team will then be the first Edubuntu loco team (or at least, most likely)
[11:55] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: edubuntu loco team will be a team that focusses on educational and school related stuff.
[11:56] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: it has also been made clear that the loco teams aren't in competition with each other, so they're obliged to collaborate
[11:56] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: so work shouldn't be repeated in the different teams
[11:56] <jsgotangco> i would know some people interested on the idea though
[11:57] <highvoltage> yep, i suppose we'll see some more teams popping up in the following weeks
[12:07] <ogra> damned, i missed CC ...
[12:07] <highvoltage> ogra: it's running a bit late, so it's still running. i think members are up next
[12:08] <ogra> yep, seen 
[12:09] <jsgotangco> i didnt know today was CC either, i just had my car fixed
[12:49] <JaneW> jsgotangco: flash mob?
[01:02] <pips1> JaneW, flash mobs were a craze last year http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_mobs
[01:03] <lucasvo> is it possible that ubuntu live cd hangs because of a broken harddisk?
[01:05] <JaneW> ah, I know what a flash mob is, I was thinking this was a meeting re 'flash'
[01:05] <JaneW> dang
[01:05] <JaneW> clutching at straws
[01:07] <pips1> JaneW, I'm actually quite embarassed to say I attended one of these silly things and it turned out that there were more reporters there than flash mobbers ;-D
[01:08] <JaneW> LOL
[01:08] <JaneW> pips1: in RL you mean?
[01:08] <pips1> yep
[01:08] <JaneW> pips1: one of the naked ones?
[01:08] <JaneW> 8)
[01:08] <pips1> hahaha, no
[01:08] <jsgotangco> lol
[03:02] <highvoltage> ogra: pingy
[03:02] <ogra> pongy
[03:02] <highvoltage> :)
[03:02] <highvoltage> ogra: i've gotten further with the edubuntu theme this weekend
[03:03] <ogra> for the website ? 
[03:03] <ogra> or the desktop ?
[03:03] <highvoltage> ogra: you'll notice it looks slightly more like edubuntu-gtk theme now: http://proto.edubuntu.org
[03:03] <highvoltage> (the website)
[03:03] <highvoltage> although it still needs quite a bit of work.
[03:04] <ogra> incredible ...
[03:04] <highvoltage> i'll get as much of the edubuntu artwork in there when it's finalised, so that things feel the same
[03:04] <ogra> looks *very* cool
[03:04] <highvoltage> thanks :)
[03:04] <ogra> yes, even the colors might change, i havent heard back from silbs yet ... JaneW probably knows more
[03:05] <highvoltage> ok. once i have all the layout and basic stuffies done, changing the colours a bit won't be a big deal.
[03:05] <ogra> good
[03:05] <ogra> i hope we can keep them this way ...
[03:05] <highvoltage> i'll stick to current edubuntu stuff as close as possible, and then update the site scheme as the distro changes.
[03:05] <ogra> yep
[03:05] <ogra> thats good
[03:05] <highvoltage> yeah, I would never say yes to a red theme, ever... before.
[03:06] <highvoltage> but it actually looks *very* good in edubuntu
[03:06] <ogra> yep
[03:07] <highvoltage> i think we'll have a very nice edubuntu website / theme combination, possibly the nicest between edubuntu/kubuntu/ubuntu/xubuntu (not that we're competing, of course)
[03:07] <highvoltage> ogra: i also realised that images didn't work in that last 'getting started' guide i've sent you
[03:07] <ogra> dunno, i dont know the xubuntu page yet and i guess kubuntu will be adjusted
[03:08] <highvoltage> ogra: there's one that works on the proto site atm: http://proto.edubuntu.org/gettingstarted
[03:08] <ogra> oh, there were more already ? 
[03:08] <highvoltage> more?
[03:09] <JaneW> ogra: you still need to send silbs the install instructions
[03:09] <ogra> JaneW, i know ...
[03:09] <JaneW> ogra: I have not heard anymore yet...
[03:09] <ogra> i have it open on my desk :)
[03:09] <ogra> (the mail that is)
[03:10] <highvoltage> install instructions?
[03:10] <ogra> for the CD cover
[03:10] <highvoltage> aah
[03:10] <JaneW> ogra: K thanks
[03:11] <ogra> that needs a decision first on how much i want on the cover ... it could only be ... "after install open this or that document" or even more detailed ones like the InstallNotes wikipage
[03:12] <highvoltage> ogra: can't we get the getting started guide in html on the CD?
[03:12] <highvoltage> ogra: then we could point to that on the disc
[03:13] <highvoltage> ogra: also, would it be possible to have documentation in a VT while the installation takes place (for edgy)
[03:13] <ogra> yes, thats waht i want ... but the question is if we want the "if you just hit enter ... blah, if you select workstation, blupp" on there
[03:13] <highvoltage> i've always liked the idea of 'press ALT+F5 during setup for help'.. .or something similar
[03:14] <highvoltage> I see. we could cut it out, and have a 'please refer to this documentation at http://xxxxx for more advanced installation options'
[03:22] <highvoltage> :/
[03:23] <ogra> ?
[03:24] <ogra> can you invert the searchfield gradient on proto.e.o ? it looks like a button ...
[03:25] <ogra> and the logo on orange schould probably have a slight chadow or something .. the orange part of the logo gets swallowed
[03:26] <ogra> (in the getting started link)
[03:26] <highvoltage> i've considered changing the colour of the search field and button altogether
[03:26] <ogra> or that ...
[03:26] <highvoltage> but somehow i like the blue in there, it makes the site a bit more fun
[03:26] <ogra> currently the grey part looks like a big button ...
[03:27] <ogra> i dont mind the blue 
[03:27] <highvoltage> perhaps i should just invert the field first like you suggest, and then we see how it looks.
[03:27] <highvoltage> ok kewl, then we'll leave the blue :)
[03:27] <highvoltage> which logo are you talking about?
[03:27] <ogra> quick links
[03:27] <ogra> getting started has a logo at the front
[03:28] <highvoltage> ah, right. yes, i'll have another logo there in the future
[03:28] <ogra> great 
[03:28] <highvoltage> that part needs a lot of work, i'll change the text too so that it's more readable in that section
[03:28] <ogra> i also had complaints about the drop shadow of the circle of kids ...
[03:28] <ogra> did you add that ? 
[03:28] <highvoltage> drupal's bar to the side there is quite cool, you can have different pannels for different pages
[03:28] <ogra> yep
[03:28] <highvoltage> that was heno
[03:28] <ogra> ah
[03:29] <highvoltage> what's wrong with the shadow, btw?
[03:29] <highvoltage> we can drop it if it's a problem, I think i have the original somewhere here
[03:29] <ogra> it looks a bit strange ... i think we should slightly move it to the lower right or sometihng ...
[03:30] <ogra> or even drop it completely
[03:30] <highvoltage> ok.
[03:31] <ogra> it looks a bit unnatural
[03:31] <highvoltage> yes, it does look weird. i haven't seen it before. the shadow position just looks unnatural. /me will play around a bit and try to fix, otherwise dtop
[03:31] <ogra> like glowing 
[03:31] <highvoltage> :)
[04:01] <highvoltage> bye ogra!
[11:06] <Pygi> highvoltage, ogra, JaneW, spacey, I'll have to send you layout tommorow
[11:06] <Pygi> I am having a major headache right now, sorry :-/