[12:04] <brosioz_> the kde panel crash how can i relead it without restart x ?
[12:10] <_asraniel> hi there, i need some help from someone that knows kubuntu quite good.
[12:10] <_asraniel> i installed flight 5 with all updates on the computer of a friend
[12:11] <_asraniel> i wanted to put breezy there, but i couldnt because of the SATA-II hard disks
[12:11] <_asraniel> well, point is that it works, but there are random freezes. i mean, the whole system blocks
[12:12] <_asraniel> now i would like to report this bug, but i dont have access to this computer. does anyone know what information is needed exactly so that somebody that knows linux very good can see where the error could be?
[12:21] <_asraniel> no body?
[12:27] <vicks> _asraniel: i can't help you with the problem, since i'm not to techy. have you tried the forums?
[12:28] <_asraniel> no, not now, but i will, tomorrow, gona go to bed now, good night
[12:32] <Rayman> hmh, ndistgtk. Has anyone tried it?
[01:00] <jariep1_> hi all
[01:00] <Riddell> hello jariep1_
[01:00] <jariep1_> can someone tell me if the alsa packages are identical to that of debian?
[01:00] <smoosh> hi, what is a program that display a charset map like in windows?
[01:00] <knoppixTallia1> guys i am in trouble
[01:01] <knoppixTallia1> my network is not working once i updated to dapper..
[01:03] <jariep1_> knoppixTallia1 hi, don't think I can help but I'm sure if you're patient you can find somebody that will answer your question
[01:03] <smoosh> hi, what is a program that display a charset map like a character map in windows?
[01:04] <jariep1_> smoosh, that a good question I've been wondering the same thing for a while
[01:05] <jariep1_> smooshi think there are some pages you might be able to find on analogs of windows to linux programs
[01:06] <jariep1_> oops, typoo on your name
[01:06] <smoosh> jariep1_:  np :)
[01:06] <smoosh> jariep1_: i'll try to find in google...
[01:06] <jariep1_> you might want to do a google search on windows analogs under linux
[01:06] <jariep1_> sure
[01:09] <smoosh> jariep1_: i've find this "http://kcharmap.sourceforge.net/", if you are interested...  but only source code, no binary...
[01:10] <jariep1_> sure, it's a great start
[01:10] <jariep1_> thanks
[01:10] <smoosh> jariep1_: nothing :)
[01:11] <smoosh> jariep1_: bye
[01:11] <jariep1_> bye, hope to see you again
[01:11] <jariep1_> good luck
[01:11] <jariep1_> :)
[01:11] <smoosh> jariep1_: ok, thanks :)
[01:12] <vge> ffs, from where can i disable the "mousewheel over taskbar items changes the active window"?
[01:21] <Parkotron> vge: I too would like to know how to do that.
[01:24] <vge> Parkotron: was in the options, turned it on oneday, now i cant find it again, ill tell if i find it :)
[02:24] <Word> Is there a changelog for Dapperdrake somewhere?
[02:25] <Word> ???
[03:04] <Shiggs> o_0
[03:06] <kuzmaster> can some1 tell me how to install wine for kubuntu 5.10
[03:06] <kuzmaster> ive tried sudo apt-get install wine, but dat dosnt work
[03:09] <kuzmaster> any1?
[03:09] <Sergi0> !universe
[03:09] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[03:09] <tristanmike> !wine
[03:09] <tristanmike> !+wine
[03:09] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer used by linux to let it run (some) windows programs.  It's available in universe but a more recent version can be installed by adding "deb http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt binary/" to your sources.list. (Doing this however will break winetools on Breezy) More info at http://www.winehq.com or for support go to #winehq
[03:09] <kosh> all I did was sudo apt-get install wine and that enabled me to run the one thing I neede
[03:09] <_ryan> hello
[03:09] <kosh> I just ran wine nameofprogram.exe
[03:10] <kosh> it was some encrypted zip file, it worked for that with just installing wine
[03:10] <_ryan> how do i go aobut setting up http apt sources? the installer failed to do it.,
[03:10] <_ryan> er, what should I use?
[03:10] <_ryan> i know how to work with sources.list
[03:10] <kuzmaster> is there a way to do it in konsole
[03:17] <_ryan> KDE su won't take my root password.
[03:26] <Tallia1Kubuntu> !ati
[03:26] <ubotu> ati is, like, totally, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10 or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=423589
[03:28] <kuzmaster> can some one please tell me how to install wine
[03:28] <kuzmaster> i have been to http://www.winehq.com/site/download-deb and i had no luck there
[03:28] <Tallia1Kubuntu> !wine
[03:29] <Sergi0> !+wine
[03:29] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer used by linux to let it run (some) windows programs.  It's available in universe but a more recent version can be installed by adding "deb http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt binary/" to your sources.list. (Doing this however will break winetools on Breezy) More info at http://www.winehq.com or for support go to #winehq
[03:29] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i suggest you vmware
[03:29] <kuzmaster> ???
[03:29] <Tallia1Kubuntu> with a good amount of RAM it works perfectly
[03:29] <Tallia1Kubuntu> windows media ware
[03:29] <kuzmaster> ok.....
[03:32] <kuzmaster> is there a way to reset the repositories for adept in konsole?
[03:32] <tristanmike> "sudo apt-get update"
[03:32] <kuzmaster> ok
[03:32] <kuzmaster> ill try
[03:32] <tristanmike> you will prevail :)
[03:33] <kuzmaster> it came up with this
[03:33] <kuzmaster> E: Malformed line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist parse)
[03:33] <kuzmaster> somthing tells me thats no good
[03:33] <tristanmike> paste your sources on pastebin
[03:33] <kuzmaster> sorry
[03:33] <tristanmike> !pastebin
[03:33] <ubotu> [pastebin]  Don't paste here. Pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org, and if you post your text there, it gives you a URL on which your post is accessible to everyone. See also !webboard.
[03:33] <tristanmike> kuzmaster: don't be sorry, we'll sort out that error and clean it up
[03:33] <kuzmaster> leave the bot out of this
[03:34] <kuzmaster> ok
[03:34] <tristanmike> kuzmaster: oh, sorry, not regarding that first error paste, that one was fine
[03:34] <kuzmaster> sooooo, is my problem fixible
[03:34] <kuzmaster> cos i cant get into adept
[03:35] <tristanmike> should be, don't see why not, let's have a look at those sources.list
[03:35] <tristanmike> kuzmaster: are you comfortable getting it ?
[03:35] <kuzmaster> ok, post it on paste bin
[03:35] <kuzmaster> yeah
[03:35] <tristanmike> yeah, please, post on pastebin, then post the link here
[03:36] <kuzmaster> lol
[03:36] <noxlord> You can alwais generate a new sources.list from this web site : http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[03:36] <tristanmike> yeah, he's probably got a letter or space outta whack, simple simple
[03:36] <Tallia1Kubuntu> any idea for this error?
[03:36] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i just updated to dapper and:
[03:36] <Tallia1Kubuntu> synaptic and adept keep giving me this: E: debtags: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[03:37] <kuzmaster> heres my sources.list
[03:37] <kuzmaster> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/636918
[03:37] <tristanmike> kuzmaster: comment out the cd line for starters
[03:38] <kuzmaster> hang on
[03:38] <Tallia1Kubuntu> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/2847eH35.html
[03:38] <kuzmaster> which line is that
[03:38] <tristanmike> kuzmaster: "deb cdrom blah..."
[03:38] <kuzmaster> ok
[03:39] <tristanmike> kuzmaster: I'd also take the two wine repos, and move them to the bottom and move everything else up
[03:39] <kuzmaster> i tried that, but i cant save it
[03:39] <tristanmike> Put a section like this "##WINE REPOS" then the two lines following that
[03:40] <tristanmike> kuzmaster: "sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:40] <tristanmike> "
[03:40] <kuzmaster> and i tried to fix the permissions, but that wouldnt work
[03:40] <tristanmike> kuzmaster: "sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list"  < does this not work ?
[03:40] <kuzmaster> yeah, at least i think
[03:41] <kuzmaster> im into that file in konsole
[03:41] <tristanmike> with that command I just gave you?
[03:42] <tristanmike> kuzmaster: ?
[03:42] <kuzmaster> im here
[03:42] <kuzmaster> yeah
[03:42] <tristanmike> I have to step out for 10minutes can you bear with me?
[03:42] <kuzmaster> ok
[03:43] <tristanmike> what I want you to do is comment out the wine repos, and the cd repo, then save, then "sudo apt-get update" and see if that works, for now
[03:44] <kuzmaster> ok
[03:45] <kuzmaster> should this do, i went to http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[03:46] <kuzmaster> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/636932
[03:47] <kuzmaster> and save it as sources.list
[03:47] <kuzmaster> ?
[03:47] <Sergi0> u got breezy right?
[03:48] <kuzmaster> yeah
[03:49] <Sergi0> maybe you wanna get the binary , and not the source
[03:49] <kuzmaster> im trying to save it but it comes up with this
[03:49] <kuzmaster> access deinied. Could not write to /ect/apt/sources.list.part
[03:50] <kuzmaster> i have tried to change the permissions, but that wouldnt work
[03:50] <Sergi0> hold on, dont change all the sources all at once, (exept if u know what ur doing)
[03:50] <Sergi0> but
[03:51] <Sergi0> u using the terminal? or something else?
[03:51] <kuzmaster> i think i do, i used http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[03:51] <Sergi0> (somewhat the something else bothers me) :) but thats another story
[03:51] <kuzmaster> kate
[03:51] <Sergi0> ah, well thats okay
[03:52] <kuzmaster> how can i change permissions for sources.list only?
[03:52] <Sergi0> okay, pres ATL-F2, type 'kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list'
[03:52] <kuzmaster> ok
[03:53] <Sergi0> it will ask for a passwrd, thats the root pass
[03:53] <Tallia1Kubuntu> !ati
[03:53] <ubotu> ati is, like, totally, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10 or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=423589
[03:53] <__mikem> Hey, have they started distributing pressed kubuntu CDs
[03:53] <Sergi0> kuzmaster: btw with the 'kdesu' u just be running the same app, but u got root access to it
[03:54] <kuzmaster> i think ive got i  going now
[03:54] <kuzmaster> i mean i think i got it working now
[03:54] <Sergi0> kuzmaster:  hold on,  but you could try one thing first
[03:54] <Sergi0> kuzmaster: oh
[03:55] <kuzmaster> well adept works now
[03:56] <kuzmaster> and can you tell me if this is a good or bad thing
[03:56] <kuzmaster> ill post it soon
[03:57] <kuzmaster> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/636940
[03:57] <__mikem> Does shipit provide pressed kubuntu cd's yet
[03:58] <kuzmaster> no
[03:58] <zero> how to play DVD movies ?
[03:59] <Sergi0> kuzmaster: u did an 'sudo apt-get update' or within adept an update?
[03:59] <kuzmaster> no i 4 got
[04:00] <kuzmaster> i think its working
[04:01] <Sergi0> kuzmaster: sure, u didnt forget to backup your config file for the sources.list ...
[04:02] <kuzmaster> no, ive got a copy of my sources.list
[04:02] <kuzmaster> in the bin
[04:02] <kuzmaster> lol
[04:02] <kuzmaster> and how do i make firefox my deafult browser?
[04:02] <Sergi0> kuzmaster: hmm, well, thats a nice backup :) just to be sure, if things wern't working. but its okay
[04:02] <kuzmaster> lol
[04:02] <Sergi0> hold on, one thing at a time
[04:02] <kuzmaster> ok
[04:03] <kuzmaster> well, i think everythings working cos im downloadin wine inside of konsole using sudo apt-get install wine
[04:03] <Sergi0> kuzmaster: see, its not that hard to get used too
[04:04] <kuzmaster> lol
[04:04] <hokatichenci> Argh, my roommate had like 15minutes with root on my machine and managed to bork the whole thing
[04:04] <kuzmaster> i actually prefer konsole than adept
[04:04] <hokatichenci> "sudo: unable to lookup blowfish via gethostbyname()" when I do sudo, doesn't even prompt for a password
[04:04] <hokatichenci> any ideas besides livecd?
[04:04] <Sergi0> hokatichenci: hostname isue
[04:05] <hokatichenci> Sergi0, yeah
[04:05] <hokatichenci> but I can't get to root to fix it
[04:05] <hokatichenci> because sudo is borked
[04:05] <Sergi0> kuzmaster: console is tha thing baby :)
[04:06] <Sergi0> hokatichenci: can you login as root? or didnt u setup a root account? (witch is default for ubuntu)
[04:06] <hokatichenci> Sergi0, iirc I wasn't prompted for a root password, everythings via sudo?
[04:07] <hokatichenci> I installed with the kubuntu cd
[04:08] <Sergi0> hokatichenci: so 'sudo' isnt doing anything
[04:08] <hokatichenci> Correct, it just throws that error.
[04:08] <hokatichenci> I guess we're stuck livecding
[04:08] <Sergi0> nope
[04:08] <Sergi0> hokatichenci: whats your hostname?
[04:09] <hokatichenci> I named it blowfish, which worked since it was referenced as 127.0.0.1 or whatever, but my roommate managed to overwrite the /etc/hosts file and so it got lost
[04:10] <hokatichenci> no idea why sudo relies on hostname in the first place
[04:11] <Sergi0> well, if someone hacks your passwrd, from a host (with ssh/telnet) they cannot execute command that you dont want)
[04:12] <Sergi0> afaik now, no-one is able to hack ya :) witch is a good thing :D
[04:13] <hokatichenci> and I can't run wireless either, I'm protected from my own network! talk about security ;)
[04:13] <Sergi0> hokatichenci: this surely depends on what software u got there other then the basis
[04:15] <Sergi0> hokatichenci: reboot and select the 'recovery mode' (witch is run-level 1) login, and edit /etc/hosts... the first line (or any one looking like it) should be like this '127.0.0.1  localhost -put-your-hostname-here-'
[04:16] <hokatichenci> right
[04:16] <Sergi0> hokatichenci: im not 100% sure, but i think u got 80% saves there :)
[04:16] <hokatichenci> that seemed to have done it (we actually used a livecd)
[04:19] <Sergi0> hokatichenci: thats okay too
[04:19] <hokatichenci> thanks for the help
[04:19] <hokatichenci> and now on to running wireless
[04:19] <hokatichenci> :)
[04:19] <Sergi0> hokatichenci: np's
[04:19] <Sergi0> :)
[04:20] <Sergi0> hokatichenci: so, it helped with the hostname isue in the /etc/hosts, or did you change other things?
[04:21] <hokatichenci> /etc/hosts
[04:21] <hokatichenci> just like you said
[04:21] <Sergi0> hokatichenci: next time, never leave your box with a root login :) (there have been other isue's, witch im not going into)
[04:22] <hokatichenci> I gave it to him willingly, hes got probably 6 years more experience with linux than I do
[04:24] <xwolf-> how do i install mediaplayer plugin for firefox?
[04:28] <kuzmaster> how do i make firefox my deafult browser
[04:29] <Tallia1Kubuntu> guys, somebody has an ATI?
[04:29] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i have setted up xorg.conf
[04:29] <Tallia1Kubuntu> but the fglrx still use lots of CPU
[04:29] <Tallia1Kubuntu> somebody can take a look and see if there's something wrong?
[04:35] <Tallia1Kubuntu>  http://tallia1.myftp.org/shared-folder/CONFFILES/xorg.conf
[04:41] <Tallia1Kubuntu> !ati
[04:41] <ubotu> somebody said ati was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10 or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=423589
[05:00] <_ryan> anyone have any idea why KDE su wouldn't be accepting my password? I'm typing it right, and the account is not locked
[05:01] <RaRe> _ryan: use sudo
[05:02] <RaRe> i read somewhere that su is like not used or something.. haha sorry im a newb :x
[05:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> RaRe: kdes launcher is called `kdesu`
[05:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> and Kubuntu patches it to use sudo
[05:04] <_ryan> it doesn't work
[05:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> ubuntu uses 'gksudo', which is less confusing
[05:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> _ryan: can you run 'sudo -s' in a terminal? (I'm trying to work out what's fault it is)
[05:05] <RaRe> oh, i didnt get it.. just a blur :o
[05:05] <_ryan> Kamping_Kaiser: sudo -s doesn't seem to do anything
[05:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> _ryan: it should create a shell with "root@blah"
[05:06] <_ryan> it does  not
[05:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm.
[05:08] <_ryan> It's returning 141
[05:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> _ryan: if you run "id" do you have 'admin' in the list that it shows?
[05:09] <_ryan> anyone have any idea why KDE su wouldn't be accepting my password? I'm typing it right, and the account is not locked
[05:09] <_ryan> ack
[05:10] <_ryan> says i'm not in sudoers
[05:10] <_ryan> sudo isn't configured with any group access.
[05:12] <xwolf-> _ryan what are you running? is it on the commandline?
[05:12] <_ryan> xwolf-: i looked at the sudoers file
[05:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> _ryan: did you do an expert install?
[05:12] <_ryan> yes
[05:13] <_ryan> what group should have sudo access?\
[05:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> if you did an expert install it enables root by default, and gives no sudo
[05:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> admin
[05:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> that's admIN not 'adm'
[05:14] <_ryan> there does not seem to be an admin group.... .me doube checks /etc/group
[05:14] <xwolf-> i couldnt help thinking of admOUT, but nevermind my nonsense.
[05:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> _ryan: no, it's not created in the expert install
[05:15] <_ryan> bah. annoying.
[05:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> if your the only user, just add yourself
[05:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[05:16] <_ryan> least it didn't kill my windows install
[05:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> o_0
[05:17] <_ryan> the bloody gentoo installer decided to muck with my partition table despite only being told to format an existing linux partition
[05:17] <_ryan> trimmed 5MB off the end of my windows partition without running ntfsresize
[05:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> ffs
[05:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> it happily stuffs your partition table as well
[05:18] <_ryan> yeah.
[05:18] <_ryan> I had a fun time manualy reparing it with sfdisk
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[06:15] <fatejudger> I don't see KPalm in the Dapper repos
[06:15] <fatejudger> is Palm Pilot support integrated now?
[06:16] <fatejudger> nm, found it
[06:29] <fatejudger> does anyone have any idea why the kpilot daemon doesn't seem to be starting?
[06:35] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: hey
[06:36] <bleaked> if one desires a kde 3.5 environment with the new amarok 1.4 beta with it's new xine engine..would it make more sense to install from the dapper disc, or install breezy and install amarok through pinning?
[06:36] <Hobbsee> hi fatejudger
[06:36] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: you don't happen to use a Palm Pilot on Dapper do you?
[06:36] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: i do not, no
[06:37] <fatejudger> damn
[06:39] <fatejudger> I have a feeling this is a Dapper bug
[06:39] <fatejudger> and that it won't get fixed
[06:40] <fatejudger> I'm getting some error on dist-upgrade
[06:40] <fatejudger> about a package called debtags
[06:40] <fatejudger> is anyone else getting this error?
[06:40] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: i will be
[06:41] <fatejudger> lol
[06:41] <fatejudger> tell me when you do
[06:41] <nalioth> fatejudger: #ubuntu+1 awaits
[06:41] <fatejudger> meh, I like to stick with the KDE people
[06:41] <fatejudger> those Gnomers bug me
[06:42] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: ah yeah, great
[06:42] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: so you got the error too?
[06:42] <Hobbsee> getting it, yes
[06:43] <fatejudger> meh
[06:45] <robotgeek> me too, i hope it goes away :)
[06:45] <Hobbsee> force overwrite seems to semi-work...
[06:47] <_ryan> How do i change the console resolution?
[06:50] <vinboy> how to restart the x server?
[06:51] <Hobbsee> vinboy: ctrl + alt + backspace
[06:52] <vinboy> ah
[06:52] <vinboy> that one
[06:52] <vinboy> if i do that.. i'll go to the console
[06:52] <vinboy> but it is frozen there
[06:52] <vinboy> until i press CTRL+ALT+DELETE
[06:52] <vinboy> then restart pc
[06:53] <vinboy> any idea?
[06:57] <bdmp> my power went out yesterday and now my comp keeps looping back in to the log in screen when I try to log in. Any suggestions?
[06:58] <Hobbsee> bdmp: hmmm.... sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop, then startx
[06:58] <Hobbsee> in a virtual terminal
[06:58] <Hobbsee> that's what i'd try
[06:59] <bdmp> thats what i did. x just gives me a grey screen and then turns off
[07:01] <bdmp> once I get x what do I do? there is nothing there but a grey screen
[07:01] <Hobbsee> not sure
[07:01] <bdmp> then it goes back to the command line
[07:02] <bimberi> !xhangs
[07:02] <ubotu> If the GUI hangs after logging in, use <ctrl><alt><f1> to switch to text mode. Log in and do: rm .{X,ICE}authority
[07:02] <bimberi> bdmp: something to try ^^^^
[07:03] <bdmp> no such file or directory
[07:04] <bimberi> bdmp: :|  not that then
[07:05] <bdmp> It says "rm: remove wirte-protected regular empty file '.ICEauthority'?"
[07:05] <bdmp> what should I say?
[07:06] <bimberi> bdmp: say yes
[07:06] <bdmp> ok
[07:06] <bdmp> now?
[07:06] <bimberi> retry X
[07:07] <bdmp> grey screen...
[07:07] <bdmp> back to command line
[07:09] <bimberi> bdmp: look for errors in /var/log/Xorg.0.log (search for "(EE)"  - apart from where the Markers are defined)
[07:11] <_thomas> can anyone help a nub out?
[07:11] <bdmp> nosuch file bimberi
[07:11] <bdmp> Just ask your question if someone knows the answer they will help.
[07:12] <_thomas> alright, so ive extracted my tar.gz program, now how do I run it?
[07:12] <bdmp> what is the program?
[07:12] <_thomas> kismet
[07:12] <bimberi> bdmp: any files with similar names?
[07:12] <bdmp> do you know adept? _thomas
[07:13] <_thomas> package manager?
[07:13] <bdmp> yeah
[07:13] <bdmp> yeah
[07:13] <bdmp> bimberi yeah one sec
[07:13] <bimberi> bdmp: np :)
[07:14] <bdmp> _thomas I have never installed a program with out adept. So I can't help but I have never had to install one that wasn't in adept so...
[07:14] <_thomas> oh
[07:15] <_thomas> ive been downloading all the stuff manually :(
[07:15] <_thomas> ok i found it in adept and clicked install
[07:15] <_thomas> dling now
[07:16] <bdmp> _thomas add sources with this
[07:16] <bdmp> !sources
[07:16] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[07:16] <bdmp> wait
[07:16] <bdmp> !source-o-matic
[07:16] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[07:16] <bdmp> that one
[07:17] <bdmp> click on that and follow the directions. Everything and anything is available if you use that for your sources.list
[07:17] <bdmp> do you follow?
[07:17] <_thomas> oh so thats like an online list of avail modules?
[07:18] <bdmp> it is a way to make a list of repositories that have programs
[07:18] <_thomas> oh
[07:19] <bdmp> Hey yall what is the one repo he doesn't want to pick with source-o-matic?
[07:20] <bdmp> bimberi there were no EE s
[07:21] <bimberi> bdmp: kk, not sure then sorry
[07:21] <bdmp> thanks anyway
[07:21] <_thomas> hm so now its installed through adept
[07:21] <_thomas> how do i access it
[07:22] <_thomas> ah nm
[07:22] <_thomas> console
[07:23] <bdmp> what the program? it should be somewhere in your menu
[07:23] <_thomas> kismet, im not seeing it in the menu
[07:24] <bdmp> bimberi there are all these "Warning:font renderer for ".pcf" already registered at priority )" does that seem like it could be the problem. I was installing Japanese input when the power went out
[07:25] <bdmp> _thomas: then command line if fine. The should appear in the menu though. I can't ever remember one that didn't.
[07:25] <_thomas> weird
[07:25] <bimberi> bdmp: i'm not certain sorry, usually warnings are just that and it will still work
[07:26] <_thomas> ok one more thing, do you know how to adjust monitor brightness
[07:26] <bimberi> _thomas: unfortunately not every application adds to the menu, you could try <ALT>F2 "kismet"
[07:26] <_thomas> theres no option in display, and xgamma is gamma not brightness
[07:26] <bdmp> is iot a laptop?
[07:26] <_thomas> yes
[07:27] <bdmp> not sure
[07:27] <bdmp> my comp is down and out at the moment
[07:27] <_thomas> ok
[07:28] <_thomas> thanks
[07:41] <vinboy> why my adept manager keep crashing ?
[08:21] <Wolf> How do I /disable/ sound?
[08:21] <fatejudger> Wolf: earplugs
[08:21] <Wolf> Lol
[08:22] <fatejudger> go into the sound section of system settings
[08:22] <fatejudger> and stop the sound system
[08:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> Wolf: `gpasswd -r user group` iiirc for a serious fix ;)
[08:22] <fatejudger> lol
[08:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> group=audio
[08:23] <fatejudger> or you could just stop the KDE sound system :P
[08:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[08:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> phhot.
[08:23] <Wolf> I want to completely get rid of sound.
[08:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> that only wokrs untill next reboot ;)
[08:23] <fatejudger> Kamping_Kaiser: not true!
[08:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> fatejudger:  :O
[08:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> !!!
[08:23] <ubotu> I give up. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Kamping_Kaiser
[08:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> <grin.
[08:23] <fatejudger> Wolf: just do it my way
[08:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[08:24] <fatejudger> Wolf: less errors, easier to undo
[08:24] <XVampireX> hi
[08:24] <XVampireX> What's up everyone?
[08:24] <rohan> Riddell: ping
[08:25] <Hobbsee> rohan: he's probably asleep
[08:25] <XVampireX> How do I install gaim 2.0 beta 3 here on kubuntu? There's no debian package
[08:25] <rohan> Hobbsee: ah...
[08:25] <rohan> where can i see all the patches that kubuntu applies to kde ?
[08:26] <XVampireX> Anyone...?
[08:26] <rohan> XVampireX: make one yourself
[08:26] <XVampireX> nevermind
[08:27] <XVampireX> How do  I make deb out of source?
[08:27] <XVampireX> If you say I can make one myself, then how?
[08:27] <Hobbsee> !compile
[08:27] <ubotu> A nice howto about compiling software from source code can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompilingSoftware (but remember to search !apt first, after adding all the !repos)
[08:27] <nrdb> I have a new install of kubuntu on a laptop, the /dev/random is very slow, does anyone know why?
[08:27] <mattt_> when i need to enter admin mode to make config changes, i enter the correct password, and the red border comes up around the window, but then the config just drops back to non-admin mode
[08:27] <rohan> XVampireX: simple ..
[08:27] <rohan> see
[08:28] <rohan> tar zxvf foo.tar.gz ; cd foo ; dh_make ; debian/rules binary ; cd .. ; dpkg -i foo.deb
[08:28] <rohan> thats all
[08:28] <XVampireX> lol
[08:28] <XVampireX> Not quite, but nevermind I found a debian
[08:29] <rohan> link
[08:30] <XVampireX> http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/download.pl?arch=i386&file=pool%2Fmain%2Fg%2Fgaim%2Fgaim_2.0.0%2Bbeta3-1_i386.deb&md5sum=ce1903882af306f19a8827076146404b&arch=i386&type=main
[08:31] <rohan> you are making a mistake, XVampireX
[08:31] <rohan> dont use debian pkg on ubutnu
[08:31] <XVampireX> So what?
[08:31] <XVampireX> I'm using kubuntu
[08:31] <XVampireX> hence why I'm in this channel named Kubuntu
[08:33] <Hobbsee> on kubuntu either
[08:33] <rohan> how does that change anything, XVampireX ?
[08:34] <nrdb> I am moving someone from WinXP to Linux, they are currently using Mozilla Thunderbird on WinXP, if I copy the directory "c:\Program Files\Mozilla Thunderbird" over to $HOME/.mozilla-thunderbird would the WinXP config, email etc files work?
[08:34] <XVampireX> so what am I supposed to do?
[08:35] <n3storm> nrdb: probably, make a backup and check is the same version of thunderbird
[08:35] <rohan> XVampireX: compile gaim yourself
[08:35] <XVampireX> Why? If there is a debian release already...
[08:35] <Boojy> XVampireX,  u seem difficult
[08:36] <XVampireX> :P
[08:36] <rohan> XVampireX: see .. debian is not ubuntu.
[08:36] <rohan> period.
[08:36] <rohan> if it works, good. if it doesnt, dont come and bitch here :P
[08:36] <Boojy> see, everyone's annoyed at u
[08:36] <XVampireX> ubuntu uses debian core
[08:36] <rohan> Boojy: ;)
[08:36] <rohan> XVampireX: mac os x uses bsd core ...
[08:36] <rohan> go install bsd stuff there
[08:36] <nrdb> n3storm: I don't know the version of Thunderbird on the WinXP, but it likely to be an lower than the version on Linux, as the Linux is a new install there isn't any need to backup the Linux.
[08:36] <XVampireX> lol
[08:37] <nrdb> n3storm: thanks for the note of confidence, I will try it.
[08:37] <n3storm> mmm, nrdb I had problems sometimes if the versions are not the same
[08:39] <nrdb> n3storm: what if I just copied the emails, and redid the configuration?
[08:40] <n3storm> nrdb: thunderbird 1.5 has a different configurartion for accounts than the version before
[08:40] <XVampireX> So uhm... folowing what you told me about compiling myself, that line, I copy pasted it and changed the filenames accordingly but it says
[08:40] <nrdb> n3storm: so if both version are latter than 1.5 i am ok?
[08:40] <kev1n> hi everyone.... i have a mythTV package that I want to install ...it is not in the repositories..... is there any kubuntu that will read the package and do a clean install for this newbie?
[08:40] <XVampireX> bash: dh_make: command not found
[08:40] <XVampireX> bash: debian/rules: No such file or directory
[08:41] <Hobbsee> XVampireX: install debhelper
[08:41] <n3storm> in the configuration now by default mixes all emails at Local Folders, and they were separated before
[08:41] <Hobbsee> and cd into the source dir first...
[08:41] <kev1n> hi everyone.... i have a mythTV package that I want to install ...it is not in the repositories..... is there any kubuntu program that will read the package and do a clean install for this newbie?
[08:42] <nrdb> n3storm: the latest version I have is 1.0.7 ?
[08:42] <rohan> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompilingSoftware ----> bad, doesnt teach how to make pkgs :P
[08:42] <n3storm> nrdb: both win an linux?
[08:43] <rohan> only checkinstall :/
[08:43] <Hobbsee> rohan: you dont want the long and complex version of how to make packages to get them into repos, usually
[08:43] <rohan> Hobbsee: yes.. :)
[08:44] <Hobbsee> you do want that?
[08:44] <XVampireX> Hobbsee: It says I already have the latest version of debhelper
[08:44] <Hobbsee> maybe it's dh_make that you want then
[08:44] <nrdb> n3storm: the Linux version is 1.0.7 (the latest for breezy) I don't know the WinXP verion but it is likely to be earilier than that.
[08:45] <n3storm> nrdb: then go ahead and cross your fingers ;)
[08:45] <XVampireX> ah, ok
[08:45] <rohan> Hobbsee: no
[08:45] <rohan> XVampireX: apt-get install dh-make
[08:45] <Hobbsee> yeah, that
[08:45] <nrdb> n3storm: ok, what version are you using? where did you get it?
[08:46] <rohan> http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=dh_make&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=breezy&arch=i386
[08:46] <n3storm> I use automatix to install third party apps and plugins in Ubuntu/Kubuntu
[08:46] <rohan> :)
[08:46] <rohan> n3storm: big mistake
[08:46] <rohan> anyone tried kubuntu flight 6 ?
[08:46] <rohan> is the kubuntu espresso ready ?
[08:46] <n3storm> rohan: kubuntu flight 6 big mistake too ;)
[08:47] <rohan> n3storm: that being ?
[08:47] <n3storm> since saturday lots of people here using dapper without X, mouse not working ....
[08:47] <n3storm> somebody is recommending flight 6 to newbies
[08:47] <n3storm> ????
[08:47] <rohan> ahem ..
[08:48] <rohan> :P
[08:48] <n3storm> much better
[08:48] <n3storm> sorry ;)
[08:48] <rohan> well, no, i am sure i can resolve the problem, n3storm , but i dont want to :)
[08:48] <n3storm> oh yeah, and printing not working
[08:49] <n3storm> I think Dapper announcemts should be better composed and remarked that it's a beta
[08:49] <n3storm> Dapper even includes Cups 1.2 beta2
[08:50] <XVampireX> It wouldn't compile right in the end
[08:50] <rohan> XVampireX: post the error on pastebin.com
[08:52] <XVampireX> http://pastebin.com/637196
[08:52] <rohan> XVampireX: apt-get build-dep gaim
[08:54] <XVampireX> And then I have to do the whole process again?
[08:55] <rohan> yes, XVampireX
[08:55] <XVampireX> ah, ok
[08:55] <XVampireX> Thanks
[08:55] <XVampireX> By the way, what's the best partitioning program for kubuntu?
[08:55] <rohan> i like gparted, but its gtk based
[08:55] <rohan> for kde-ui like, use qtparted
[08:55] <XVampireX> it works on ubuntu?
[08:55] <XVampireX> kubuntu^
[08:55] <rohan> BEWARE: qtparted has trashed my disk twice
[08:55] <XVampireX> ah, ok
[08:56] <rohan> XVampireX: apt-get install gparted qtparted
[08:56] <n3storm> mee too, do everything slowly
[08:56] <rohan> :)
[08:57] <rohan> XVampireX: or best, use ubuntu breezy live cd, it has gparted installed
[08:57] <rohan> bye all
[08:57] <Boojy> cya
[08:57] <rohan> XVampireX: sorry, have to leave.. i think Hobbsee will help you ;)
[08:57] <XVampireX> woot,  I got it the live cd :P
[08:57] <XVampireX> Ah, ok
[08:57] <XVampireX> Well I'm getting the same errors now
[08:59] <XVampireX> same undefined reference errors
[09:04] <stunit> hi
[09:06] <Tallia1Kubuntu> !ati
[09:06] <ubotu> methinks ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10 or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=423589
[09:16] <mattt_> what's the difference between the "Wireless Network" config dialog, and the "configure interface" dialog (for wlan0) in the "network settings" config dialog?
[09:19] <XVampireX> I found this for gaim2: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=133179
[09:20] <stunit>   nc  b   f
[09:20] <stunit> 
[09:21] <stunit> how can i get more servers for konversation?
[09:24] <simian__> stunit: click server list under Files menu  and click on New
[09:25] <stunit> but theres no servers to add?
[09:26] <stunit> how do i no what channels there are and what server is?
[09:26] <simian__> you have to add manually
[09:26] <stunit> i already know  that but where do i get a list of servers from am i suposed to jusst think a one geez?
[09:27] <simian__> lol
[09:27] <stunit> u know?
[09:28] <simian__> if you google irc servers you will see quite a few
[09:28] <mattt_> is there anyone here who even has wireless working?
[09:28] <vge> does allmost counts? :P
[09:28] <vge> naah, no need to get it working atm
[09:28] <mattt_> like
[09:28] <Hobbsee> mattt_: yeah, i usually do, but have to go to work
[09:29] <Hobbsee> !wifi
[09:29] <ubotu> somebody said wifi was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[09:33] <RaRe> !wine
[09:37] <Tallia1Kubuntu> !vmware
[09:37] <ubotu> Tallia1Kubuntu: Syntax error in line 1. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[09:37] <Boojy> does kubuntu support .rpm ?
[09:40] <n3storm> ubotu:!rpm
[09:40] <ubotu> I give up. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, n3storm
[10:02] <sirblue> good day to all of u
[10:04] <sirblue> does anyone know something about preloading firefox and other apps? I just read an article about opensuse10 and a package called preload, able to preload specified apps...
[10:04] <sirblue> anything similar out there for kubuntu?
[10:04] <n3storm> ubotu:!preload
[10:04] <ubotu> No idea, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, n3storm
[10:05] <sirblue> k, thanks anyway...
[10:09] <laszlok> sirblue: preload is in the repositoreies
[10:10] <laszlok> sirblue: but it doesnt let you specify particular applications, it just does it automatically based on which programs you use a lot
[10:10] <laszlok> Boojy: check out a package called alien
[10:10] <laszlok> Boojy: it can convert .rpm to .deb
[10:15] <sirblue> laszlok: is it? do you mean the ld.so.preload-manager?
[10:21] <simian__> when sudo dist upgrading what is the option for fix broken?
[10:23] <laszlok> simian__: sudo apt-get -f install
[10:23] <laszlok> sirblue: all i found was the preload package
[10:23] <simian__> laszlok: thanks
[10:24] <simian__> but i keep getting this:
[10:24] <simian__> dpkg: error processing debtags (--configure):
[10:24] <simian__>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[10:24] <simian__> Errors were encountered while processing:
[10:24] <simian__>  debtags
[10:24] <simian__> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[10:26] <sirblue> laszlok: ok, doesn't show up looking for preload with name and description enabled in synaptic... thanks anyway, i'll do some more looking around the web...
[10:27] <MetaMorfoziS> laszlok: magyar vagy?:D
[10:28] <mindspin> !hu
[10:28] <ubotu> Ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a #ubuntu.hu
[10:28] <laszlok> MetaMorfoziS: nem, canadian
[10:29] <taloschen> which package can i install X includes?
[10:30] <laszlok> taloschen: which program do you need it for?
[10:31] <MetaMorfoziS> hehe:))
[10:31] <taloschen> kmplayer
[10:32] <taloschen> not only this, much need that to compile
[10:33] <MetaMorfoziS> !hubazmeg
[10:33] <ubotu> Did you get hit by a windmill? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, MetaMorfoziS
[10:33] <Sinik> hi, since I'm having a lot of problems with breezy (sudo wouldn't work, adept wouldn't work, eagle-usb drivers don't work, and I'm unable to install newer ones) should I try Dapper flight 6?
[10:33] <laszlok> taloschen: would it be better to install the package or do you need the source for some particular reason?
[10:33] <n3storm> Sinik: no, reinstall breezy, it works ok, use automatix for eagle-usb
[10:35] <mindspin> !automatix
[10:35] <ubotu> rumour has it, automatix is unsafe, it overwrites configuration files, and does things like "echo -e 'y\nY\n'" that are considered risky. Please do not use it. There are alternative applications, but it's often best to read the documentation.
[10:36] <Sinik> I used apt-get to install the eagle-usb drivers but they just don't work (they install fine, but modem is not operational) I found mentions all over the web that eagle usb have a problem with breezy (but not with hoary)
[10:36] <pradeepto> can somebody give me  deb src link for dapper main universe please?
[10:38] <taloschen> laszlok: i found no corresponding package, so i have to compile it myself
[10:38] <Sinik> my problem is pretty much -> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=71293
[10:38] <pradeepto> can anybody please?
[10:39] <laszlok> taloschen: right, there is one for dapper but not breezy
[10:41] <laszlok> pradeepto: you want a link, or the line to put in your sources.list?
[10:41] <taloschen> laszlok: unfortunately, i'm using breezy and i don't wanna change to dapper
[10:42] <pradeepto> laszlok: I want to put the line to put in my sources.list
[10:42] <laszlok> taloschen: i think that package you are looking for is xserver-xorg-dev, or libx11-dev
[10:43] <taloschen> laszlok: thx, i will try them
[10:43] <laszlok> pradeepto: the one i have is: deb-src http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper universe
[10:43] <pradeepto> laszlok: thanks a lot
[10:44] <Sinik> is gcc3.4 in breezy? I seem to need it to compile the new eagle-usb with the kernel...
[10:44] <laszlok> pradeepto: but you should change ca to your country
[10:44] <seletz> Mogn!
[10:44] <laszlok> Sinik: yes it is
[10:44] <pradeepto> laszlok: ah oke, np I will manage from here, I guess. Thanks again.
[10:45] <Sinik> sbuild-essential seems to install gcc4.0 and it wouldn't work and I was unable to find 3.4...
[10:45] <^rob^> hello
[10:46] <laszlok> Sinik: there should be a package called gcc-3.4
[10:46] <taloschen>  laszlok:libx11-dev is not right, and xserver-xorg-dev cannot be found, so can you give me some apt source?
[10:47] <^rob^> what variable is passed to kernel that knows the root device - boot param has root=/dev/somedevice - my initrd boot script is messed - and i want to modify it
[10:47] <Sinik> laszlok: so normally sudo apt-get install gcc-3.4 should get it installed? (because I tried that)
[10:47] <Tallia1Kubuntu> why can't i see the FPS in glxgears?
[10:48] <^rob^> grub: kernel /somekernel [root=/dev/...]  << this setting interest me... it is set in some variable or environment whatever - how can i see where ? to be able to use it
[10:48] <laszlok> Sinik: yes that should install it, however the make script might not know to use it
[10:48] <laszlok> Tallia1Kubuntu: glxgears -printfps
[10:49] <Tallia1Kubuntu> tnx
[10:49] <Tallia1Kubuntu> :)
[10:49] <^rob^> ?? - noone?
[10:53] <Tallia1Kubuntu> this are the result of fglxgears, but the CPU still goes to 100%
[10:53] <Tallia1Kubuntu> 9203 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1840.487 FPS
[10:53] <Tallia1Kubuntu> 9203 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1840.487 FPS
[10:53] <Tallia1Kubuntu> 9203 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1840.487 FPS
[10:53] <Tallia1Kubuntu> 9203 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1840.487 FPS
[10:53] <Tallia1Kubuntu> sorry..
[10:53] <Tallia1Kubuntu> is this good?
[10:54] <RaRe> !adept
[10:54] <ubotu> adept is, like, totally, a package manager for Kubuntu. A howto is provided here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[10:54] <sivang>  /wc
[10:55] <avatarz> hello.
[10:58] <m0nark> Tallia1Kubuntu: no, that's not very good :)
[11:00] <m0nark> I get > 4000 on my old crappy card, and no noticable cpu usage
[11:01] <Tallia1Kubuntu> shat
[11:01] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i dunno what else i can do
[11:01] <Tallia1Kubuntu> :(
[11:01] <Tallia1Kubuntu> these are radeon drivers
[11:02] <m0nark> hmm, I've only had bad experiences with ati cards
[11:03] <m0nark> did you try to google it?
[11:06] <m0nark> Tallia1Kubuntu: you could check out this guide and see if you have done everything properly http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Installation_Guide
[11:10] <misieq> hi! i've just installed ubuntu from dvd and added kubuntu packages from cd... however those are old and i'd like to upgrade my kde to 3.5.2, so i've added mirrors and gpg keys as described here: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-352.php but when i type 'sudo apt-get upgrade kubuntu-desktop' it says, that most of packages have been kept back. what should i do to fully upgrade my kde?
[11:10] <mindspin> have you tried dist-upgrade
[11:11] <misieq> mindspin: no, what does it do? upgrade all packages available?
[11:12] <mindspin> it should, i was told that it may help, although my upgrade to kde 3.5.2 worked without any complaints
[11:12] <mindspin> you did an update first?
[11:12] <misieq> mindspin: err... dist-upgrade is apt-get target, i assume?
[11:13] <mindspin> sudo apt-get update
[11:13] <mindspin> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:13] <mindspin> that should be
[11:13] <misieq> mindspin: i did set up ubuntu few minutes ago and only installed kubuntu from cd
[11:13] <mindspin> edited the /apt/sources-list?
[11:14] <misieq> only added mirrors to kde3.5.2
[11:14] <mindspin> then do a sudo apt-get update
[11:14] <misieq> already did
[11:14] <misieq> so now apt-get dist-upgrade?
[11:15] <mindspin> and when you do sudo apt-get upgrade you receive error/dependencies messages?
[11:16] <misieq> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/637312
[11:17] <misieq> (that was done after adding mirrors to sources.list and apt-get update)
[11:17] <mindspin> try just  sudo apt-get upgrade
[11:17] <mindspin> i.e. leave out the kde-desktop behind
[11:17] <misieq> output is the same
[11:18] <mindspin> then try dist-upgrade
[11:18] <mindspin> can you paste your sources.list in pastebin?
[11:18] <misieq> the only thing changed is that it would install new kernel
[11:18] <misieq> just a sec
[11:19] <misieq> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/637315
[11:20] <mindspin> you have to put # (comment signs) in front of the cd-source entry
[11:20] <misieq> both or just kubuntu ?
[11:21] <mindspin> in the first 2 lines
[11:21] <mindspin> apt is trying to fetch fro cd
[11:22] <mindspin> remove the #sign in front of the universe and multiverse entry
[11:23] <mindspin> do you want mp3 and wma support?
[11:23] <misieq> afair local mirror does not provide all the packages... what's the main server?
[11:23] <misieq> yes, i do
[11:23] <mindspin> wait I'll paste my sources list, take it
[11:24] <misieq> what's the deb-src line for?
[11:24] <misieq> source packages?
[11:25] <mindspin> yup
[11:26] <mindspin> take this, it should work: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/637320
[11:27] <avatarz> hello world.
[11:32] <misieq> !nvidia
[11:32] <ubotu> I guess nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368
[11:35] <misieq> !breezy-seveas
[11:35] <ubotu> misieq: My cat's name is Mittens! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[11:35] <misieq> !seveaspackages
[11:35] <ubotu> parse error: Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, misieq
[11:35] <misieq> !seveas
[11:35] <ubotu> Seveas has a semi-popular 3rd party repository for several packages. More info (and mirrors) on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[11:36] <sinik> *cheers* managed to install eagle-usb on breezy woohoo :D
[11:36] <sinik> thanks everyone that helped at some point
[11:36] <misieq> sinik: i'm running it too, however i had to comile it
[11:37] <sinik> yeah, me too
[11:37] <sinik> the included version is not working
[11:37] <misieq> sinik: what version do you use?
[11:37] <sinik> 2.3.2
[11:37] <RaRe> !deb
[11:37] <ubotu> To install a .deb file: sudo dpkg -i filename.deb  (but note that the program you want might be installable using !apt from the !repos)
[11:37] <misieq> sinik: i've never managed to set up a newer version than 2.0.0
[11:38] <misieq> sinik: anyway, it satisfies me ;)
[11:38] <misieq> !marillat
[11:38] <ubotu> it has been said that marillat is If you enable the marillat repoistories, please disable them after you use them as needed. don't overuse them. Consider using !plf or !seveas instead
[11:38] <sinik> well once I got gcc3.4 on, the installation was pretty easy
[11:38] <misieq> !plf
[11:38] <ubotu> rumour has it, plf is the Penguin Liberation Front, see http://wiki.ubuntu-fr.org/doc/plf , mainly for i386 users with some packages for ppc
[11:38] <xanax`> hello
[11:40] <avatarz> hello
[11:40] <avatarz> !help
[11:40] <mindspin> !ask
[11:40] <misieq> is security.ubuntu.com down or something?
[11:41] <misieq> oh, i have duplicated entry in soures.list... nevermind
[11:43] <misieq> is apt able to resume broken downloads?
[11:46] <mindspin> yes
[11:46] <mindspin> start it again
[11:46] <RaRe> !deb
[11:46] <ubotu> To install a .deb file: sudo dpkg -i filename.deb  (but note that the program you want might be installable using !apt from the !repos)
[11:46] <sinik> hmm, how can I view my ntfs partitions through konqueror? (right now I am only able to view files through terminal and only as root)
[11:47] <misieq> sinik: run konqueror as root if you can't access your partition as regular user
[11:47] <avatarz> i love kubuntu!@
[11:48] <sinik> I would prefer to change the permissions on the ntfs partitions so they can be viewed as user than running konqueror as root...
[11:48] <misieq> sinik: however if you add option 'users' or 'user' (you have to read manual, as i don't remeber which is the one) you should be able to use it as regular user
[11:48] <misieq> sinik: man fstab
[11:49] <_chris> hey is there a win emulator for yahoo?
[11:49] <sinik> ok thanks :)
[11:49] <_chris> that works?
[11:49] <_chris> im new to linux
[11:49] <misieq> _chris: err... yahoo?? use firefox or konqueror
[11:50] <avatarz> any ham radio operator ghere?
[11:50] <avatarz> here?
[11:50] <_chris> i dont mind but my sister wants her windows version of messenger
[11:50] <avatarz> anyone into packet radio?
[11:50] <misieq> _chris: oh, you mean yim
[11:50] <_chris> yeah sorry
[11:50] <avatarz> any CW fan?
[11:51] <misieq> _chris: can't she use gaim?
[11:51] <[Nige] > anyone running on dapper with ati radeon card?
[11:51] <_chris> for messaging yes but she wants her voice and crap
[11:51] <misieq> _chris: give it a try: http://messenger.yahoo.com/messenger/download/unix.html
[11:52] <misieq> _chris: i wouldn't recommend you using the windows version of yim..
[11:53] <_chris> i used that version but it dont have the features she wants i wish shed leave me alone i like kubuntu just fine
[11:53] <misieq> _chris: also in windows. yim just sucks
[11:53] <_chris> i agree
[11:53] <misieq> _chris: did you try wine?
[11:53] <_chris> she dont lol women always get wha they want or i
[11:53] <misieq> (that must've sound odd :P)
[11:54] <_chris> yes i did
[11:54] <_chris> it installed fine but the program itself would run
[11:54] <misieq> _chris: and i didn't work? hmmm... try getting the one from winehq.net
[11:54] <grinias> sinik: /dev/hda1       /media/C          ntfs    ro,user,exec,nls=utf8,umask=0  0 0
[11:55] <_chris> good point thanks will do
[11:55] <misieq> _chris: they also have .deb repository
[11:56] <_chris> thank you misieq
[11:56] <_chris> where at
[11:56] <_chris> thier site?
[11:56] <misieq> http://www.winehq.com/site/download-deb
[11:57] <_chris> thank you very much
[11:57] <misieq> _chris: you're welcome
[12:02] <avatarz> i have some radon links at my delicius
[12:02] <avatarz> del.icio.us/drpaulo
[12:11] <avatarz> anyone into reiserfs here?
[12:11] <avatarz> i like it very much
[12:22] <RaRe> !find
[12:28] <asraniel>  how can i unlock the apt database if my adept has crashed?
[12:30] <Xemanth^^> asraniel: check with ps -A that is Adept still running
[12:32] <asraniel> thx
[12:37] <GNU_Style> hey is KORN better than BASH?
[12:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> supposed to be
[12:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> if you can be bothered to learn it
[12:43] <sinik> hmm is it me or konqueror renders fonts larger than it should?
[12:48] <n3storm> sinik: there is not a universal font size default, so if you come from windows, yes, they are bigger
[12:48] <n3storm> I think in macos they are bigger than ie but smaller than firefox
[12:49] <sinik> yeah I come from windows, but firefox for linux seems to render them a little smaller (than konqueror at least) and closer to what I'm used to
[12:51] <n3storm> yes, konqueror follows the whole desktop schema, you can change that
[12:51] <n3storm> also, you can make firefox render the same size kde fonts ;)
[12:57] <RaRe> !deb
[12:57] <ubotu> To install a .deb file: sudo dpkg -i filename.deb  (but note that the program you want might be installable using !apt from the !repos)
[01:05] <nuky> hi, i have this problem with my panel autohiding, i have it set to let other windows cover it but re-appear when the mouse touches the bottom edge of the screen.. and this works fine as soon as i set it but after a while, it stops reappearing and i have to minimise everything to show it. any ideas on what could cause this strange behaviour?
[01:07] <Sergi0> nuky: hm, should not be hapening, but maybe a small workaround, if you got the menu in the panel, pres ALT-f1 and it will show up
[01:08] <nuky> Sergi0: i just tried that, my shortcut fr the menu works well but alt+f1 doesn't seem to show my panel.. thanks
[01:08] <Pupeno> How can I check if my new serial modem works with Linux (I can't plug it to a phone line yet) ?
[01:09] <MetaMorfoziS> Pupeno:
[01:09] <MetaMorfoziS> tail -f /var/logs/syslog
[01:10] <MetaMorfoziS> when you connect a modem, it has some changes
[01:10] <MetaMorfoziS> it wrotes new blabla  connected
[01:10] <Sergi0> nuky: i've got 3pannels at the bottom, a main small one always visible, one showwing up only when i hit the leftbottom, and another one only showing up at the right bottom, all works fine here
[01:10] <MetaMorfoziS> or sg
[01:10] <MetaMorfoziS> it's true for all thing
[01:10] <Sergi0> MetaMorfoziS: also for a serial device?
[01:10] <MetaMorfoziS> when you connect an usb device, it said new usb device connected...
[01:10] <MetaMorfoziS> try it
[01:10] <MetaMorfoziS> i think it work
[01:11] <kev1n> nick k|away
[01:11] <nuky> Sergi0: thank, i'll take allok around settings.. cos mine also works fine as soon as i've set it in "Configure Panel", but after a while, when i move my mouse to the bottom it doesn't reappear.. but resetting it in "Cnfigure Panel" again fixes it..
[01:12] <Pupeno> MetaMorfoziS: nothing appears there. Since when serial devices are advertised like that ?
[01:14] <MetaMorfoziS> elhiszem
[01:14] <MetaMorfoziS> okay, id ont' know
[01:21] <_nelson> I have problems with keyboard layout
[01:21] <vinboy> hi
[01:22] <vinboy> how do I make my kde application start during startup?
[01:22] <MetaMorfoziS> put an ikon to your /home/.kde/Autostart
[01:22] <MetaMorfoziS> not ikon, link sry:)
[01:23] <vinboy> oh ok
[01:23] <MetaMorfoziS> /home/username/.kde/Autostart
[01:23] <vinboy> thanks MetaMorfoziS :D
[01:23] <MetaMorfoziS> :)
[01:23] <MetaMorfoziS> nm:)
[01:25] <nuky> is anyone having trouble with the kubuntu.org repository? mine keeps returning a 404 not found error in aptitude and it's holding back one of my python modules which is marked as broken now :(
[01:28] <sinik> hmm xorg uses 180mb of memory, is this normal?
[01:28] <sinik> and my overall memory usage is pretty high
[01:29] <martinjh99> Is there a problem with kubuntu.org?
[01:29] <martinjh99> Getting a 404 error when trying to do an update...
[01:29] <Sergi0> martinjh99: maybe you could try another mirror?
[01:30] <martinjh99> Is there one for Kubuntu.org Where's the list?
[01:30] <Sergi0> the sources.list file is in /etc/apt
[01:31] <martinjh99> The mirror list for Kubuntu.org.. ;)
[01:31] <Sergi0> martinjh99: oh :) i have no idea
[01:32] <martinjh99> :) I'll find it somewhere. Thanks anyway...
[01:37] <vinboy> i'm thinking to convert my primary partition from ntfs to ext3
[01:37] <vinboy> wat do i need to do after the conversion?
[01:37] <vinboy> or before?
[01:39] <n3storm> vinboy: backup EVERYTHING BEFORE?
[01:40] <sinik>  /\ what he said :)
[01:40] <n3storm> vinboy: you will not be able to convert, you could only delete de ntfs partition and create a new one in the same space with the ext3 type
[01:42] <vinboy> oh yup
[01:43] <vinboy> i'll format it
[01:43] <vinboy> but do i need to recreat the MBR etc?
[01:43] <vinboy> will I be able to get to kubuntu right after it?
[01:58] <LeeJunFan> vinboy: your mbr will be installed during kubuntu install.
[01:59] <LeeJunFan> vinboy: if it's already installed simply chaning partitions will not destroy your mbr.
[02:00] <vinboy> LeeJunFan: how do I find out where the mbr is installed?
[02:01] <mindspin> !mbr
[02:01] <ubotu> My cat's name is Mittens! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, mindspin
[02:01] <LeeJunFan> the mbr and your partition tables are stored on the first 512bytes of your hd.
[02:01] <Tm_T> !Mittens
[02:01] <ubotu> Tm_T: I don't know, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[02:01] <Tm_T> hey!
[02:01] <mindspin> the mbr is the first section of a HD
[02:02] <LeeJunFan> vinboy: partition editing and/or formatting will not touch the mbr.
[02:03] <misieq> i've updated kde to 3.5.2 and now i have two google search boxes in konqeror
[02:03] <LeeJunFan> vinboy: to be more precise the mbr is the first 446 bytes of the hd, the part tables are the following 66 bytes, 2 bytes are however unused., so it's safe to say 64 bytes is your part tables.
[02:03] <misieq> any idea how to remove one?
[02:05] <LeeJunFan> misieq: under settings choose configure extensions, remove google suggest plugin.
[02:06] <misieq> thanks
[02:08] <misieq> can i safely compile and install new amarok if i have v1.3.1 from ubuntu package?
[02:08] <misieq> or should i remove the package first? or perhaps there is some repository with new amarok?
[02:10] <LeeJunFan> misieq: best practice is to remove ubuntu one first and install yours to /usr/local - better yet make a package so you can remove it cleanly later if you wish.
[02:11] <vinboy> LeeJunFan: oh tat means it is safe to format any partition?
[02:11] <vinboy> LeeJunFan: in the days of windows. if I format the primary partition, my windows would become inaccessible
[02:11] <Pupeno-> Hello.
[02:12] <misieq> LeeJunFan: nevermind, i've found a package on amarok.kde.org ;)
[02:12] <LeeJunFan> vinboy: windows was probably on the primary partition, therefor formatting it would erase windows.
[02:12] <vinboy> LeeJunFan: oh ok... sound like it...
[02:12] <vinboy> thanks alot LeeJunFan
[02:12] <LeeJunFan> vinboy: np.
[02:13] <vinboy> by the way
[02:13] <Pupeno-> How do I know which device my external modem is in ?
[02:13] <vinboy> wat can I use to convert it to ext3?
[02:13] <LeeJunFan> vinboy: ntfs cannot be converted to anything, except partition magic can convert it to fat32.
[02:14] <LeeJunFan> vinboy: you will have to backup your data on the ntfs partition, delete that partition, create it as ext3, then copy your data back. What is your reasoning for converting it?
[02:15] <vinboy> LeeJunFan: oops.. sorry... what I meant was "what program can I use to format is as ext3"?
[02:15] <vinboy> i'll copy everything to another network drive
[02:15] <misieq> vinboy: mkfs.ext3
[02:15] <LeeJunFan> vinboy: once you have changed the partition type with either cfdisk or fdisk you then format it with mkfs.ext3
[02:15] <misieq> vinboy: or qtparted
[02:16] <LeeJunFan> vinboy: you actually don't need to remove the partition, you can simply change it's type with cfdisk or fdisk.
[02:16] <LeeJunFan> vinboy: then format with mkfs.ext3
[02:16] <LeeJunFan> vinboy: you're giving up windows alltogether?
[02:17] <vinboy> LeeJunFan: i'll leave a partition for windows. convert the rest to ext3 bcoz kubuntu is my primary os
[02:17] <vinboy> misieq: yes i guess qtparted will be a good option
[02:18] <misieq> errr.. surely amarok does support aac, right?
[02:20] <misieq> how comes amarok is able to display hebrew signs whereas i've never managed to make it display correct polish ones :/
[02:21] <nuky> in the installation readme, it says to use that instead of the manual if you are using a debian based system (i'm using kubunut)
[02:21] <misieq> ?
[02:22] <nuky> do you know where i can find the .deb installation of the bash_completion? i can only see the rpm on the site and i tried to do it manually but i am getting and error that i don't understand.. in the installation readme, it says to use that instead of the manual if you are using a debian based system (i'm using kubunut) but i cannot find it on the downloads page or the repositories..
[02:23] <misieq> nuky: you may try alien
[02:24] <nuky> misieq: thanks, i was considering it. i have only tried it once before with skype and it did not work that time, and iw asn't sure if it was the skype rpm or not. is alien, generally safe?
[02:24] <misieq> nuky: anyway, i don't think you have to use .deb as bash_completion is just a shell script (the best i think was distributed in mandriva)
[02:26] <misieq> nuky: when you come to think of it, one may try asking guys i #mandriva to give us their scripts
[02:26] <misieq> nuky, did you try this: http://www.caliban.org/bash/#completion_download ?
[02:28] <sinik> sorry for the stupid question, but now that ctrl+tab is taken by kde for desktop switching how can you switch tabs in firefox? (apart from clicking on a tab)
[02:29] <misieq> sinik: i think it ctrl-tab as well... you can change the kde default hotkeys in settings
[02:29] <nuky> misieq: yeah, i tried there and i couldn't see the deb, so i tried to install it manually using the readme, but even after making all the changes i get errors with the script..
[02:29] <misieq> what errors?
[02:29] <Hobbsee> sinik: grab an extension - i think it's called swift tabs, then use f1, or f2
[02:32] <nuky> misieq: once i've made the changes and try to source my bashrc again, i get this http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/637587
[02:33] <misieq> no idea
[02:34] <nuky> misieq: no worries, thanks for the help, i'll try alien and see with the rpm converted.. thanks
[02:37] <puckman> W00T, flight 6 ^_^
[02:37] <puckman> Burning now.
[02:40] <misieq> i'm burning kororaa to test xgl :D
[02:44] <misieq> :| ubotu broke down
[02:46] <puckman> dont think xgl will run to nice on my x24
[02:46] <misieq> x24?
[02:46] <misieq> thinkpad?
[02:47] <misieq> i have athlon xp1800+ 768 mb ram and geforce 2 mx 400 64mb desktop, will see how it works in a minute :)
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[02:48] <ubuntu_> do i have to edit fstab to get  myself write acces with a live-cd?
[02:55] <oxez> anyone have a url to update kubuntu 5.10 to dapper?
[02:55] <oxez> (which tells the new repos, and all)
[02:56] <Hobbsee> !update
[02:56] <ubotu> Hobbsee: parse error: Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[02:56] <Hobbsee> !upgrade
[02:56] <ubotu> Upgrading to Ubuntu 5.10 breezy -> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade.  Upgrading to dapper (remember it may break). Please test the dist-upgrader -> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-January/014700.html.
[02:56] <oxez> alright
[02:56] <Pupeno-> Does anybody know how to reliable check that an external modem works ?
[02:56] <misieq__> oh god... xgl is a*w*e*s*o*m*e :)))))
[02:57] <Tm_T> nah
[02:58] <Pupeno-> should cat /dev/ttyS0 and then typing ATZ get a response ?
[02:58] <irad> Can anyone tell me what would be my problem?: http://www.arava.co.il/~infrared/snapshot1.png
[02:58] <misieq__> Pupeno-: no
[02:58] <irad> !konsole
[02:58] <ubotu> irad: Bugger all, I dunno. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[02:59] <misieq__> Pupeno-: cat only displays contents of file
[02:59] <Pupeno-> oh, yes, cat > /dev/ttyS0.
[03:00] <misieq__> Pupeno-: you may however have cat running on one konsole window and in the other type 'echo ATZ > /dev/ttyS0' - that might give some response
[03:01] <Pupeno-> right. I get nothing :(
[03:01] <misieq__> try using something like getty or chat
[03:02] <misieq__> there is certainly one thing missing in kororaa: kde
[03:02] <Tm_T> well
[03:02] <Tm_T> Xgl is fun, but doesn't have anything usable what Xorg doesn't
[03:03] <Pupeno-> misieq__: getty is for prompting for a user, I don't want to do that. and chat, can chat work as a terminal ? I don't want to run a script.
[03:03] <Tm_T> I played with kororaa ~3min and got bored
[03:03] <misieq__> i like having fun :) you don't? ;)
[03:03] <Tm_T> misieq__: I have more fun when fix bugs than looking wobbling window, for nothing
[03:04] <vinboy> hi
[03:04] <vinboy> i just formatted my primary partition to ext3
[03:04] <misieq__> Tm_T: well it might be boring just to look on menus sliding here and there, but i think it would be nice to have it for everyday use
[03:04] <vinboy> i'm editing the fstab
[03:05] <vinboy> should I use "ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1"
[03:05] <Tm_T> misieq__: not to me, too slow
[03:05] <vinboy> or "ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       0"
[03:05] <Tm_T> misieq__: those "nice" animations take too much time, would just slow me down
[03:06] <misieq__> Tm_T: what do you do then?
[03:06] <Tm_T> misieq__: ah, good question
[03:06] <irad> Can anyone tell me what would be my problem?: http://www.arava.co.il/~infrared/snapshot1.png it's something that happened to my setting of the konsole
[03:07] <Tm_T> misieq__: http://www.tm-travolta.net/shots/desktops/
[03:07] <Tm_T> misieq__: it's not from my busy day, so I usually have even more konsoles open ;)
[03:08] <Tm_T> irad: hummm
[03:09] <Tm_T> irad: interesting, wait a second
[03:09] <irad> :)
[03:10] <Tm_T> irad: this occured when? is it breezy or dapper?
[03:10] <misieq__> Tm_T: oh god... those things you type on irc (desk_1.png) look scary ;P
[03:10] <irad> breezy
[03:10] <Tm_T> misieq__: =)
[03:10] <Tm_T> misieq__: have to check what it was =)
[03:10] <irad> it occured when i am trying to check my settings
[03:10] <misieq__> Tm_T: what does 'taidanpa ottaa' mean?
[03:10] <oxez> hrm, I updated KDE to 3.5.2, and now I have two google bars in konqueror, I don't see anyoptions to remove one lol. Anyone know how?
[03:11] <Tm_T> misieq__: "I think I take..."
[03:11] <Tm_T> oxez: there is options, wait a second and I'll tell you
[03:11] <Xemanth^^> can i rewrite mbr with kubuntu install disc easily ? I want to reinstall my win xp
[03:11] <irad> it occured when i am trying to check my settings Tm_T
[03:12] <Tm_T> irad: ok
[03:13] <Tm_T> irad: try this: "sudo apt-get install --reinstall konsole"
[03:13] <oxez> Tm_T: ok
[03:13] <irad> Tm_T tried that already
[03:13] <Tm_T> irad: doesn't help?
[03:13] <irad> tm_t no
[03:13] <Tm_T> ok
[03:13] <Tm_T> oxez: from menu: settings -> extensions ->
[03:14] <oxez> oh
[03:14] <oxez> Thank you Tm_T
[03:14] <oxez> :o
[03:14] <Tm_T> np
[03:15] <Tm_T> irad: it's breezy, right?
[03:15] <irad> yeah
[03:15] <Tm_T> hmm hmm, "sudo apt-get clean"
[03:15] <Tm_T> and then try reinstall again
[03:16] <Tm_T> and restart all konsoles
[03:17] <irad> still nothing
[03:17] <Tm_T> ach
[03:17] <Tm_T> sounds evil
[03:17] <Tm_T> ok, restart whole KDE session
[03:18] <irad> and than what?
[03:18] <Tm_T> irad: it's kde 3.5.2 right?
[03:18] <irad> yeah
[03:18] <Tm_T> irad: wget http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde352/pool-breezy/kdebase/konsole_3.5.2-0ubuntu0breezy1_i386.deb
[03:19] <Tm_T> irad: and "sudo dpkg -i package.deb"
[03:19] <irad> okay
[03:19] <Tm_T> to makee sure youhave package from there
[03:19] <irad> yeah hehe
[03:19] <Tm_T> and if it still occurs, hit me
[03:20] <irad> :)
[03:20] <irad> that's so weird
[03:20] <Tm_T> indeed
[03:20] <irad> what kcm_konsole.la ?!
[03:20] <irad> what's*
[03:20] <Tm_T> it's file what should be in konsole package
[03:20] <Tm_T> ;)
[03:21] <irad> heh
[03:21] <Tm_T> it contains libraries that konsole needs for settings
[03:22] <irad> so maybe i need the libs?
[03:22] <Tm_T> you do
[03:22] <Tm_T> and should get when install that package
[03:24] <irad> hehe
[03:24] <Tm_T> 4 different networks and oh, 0 channels =)
[03:24] <Tm_T> 50 even
[03:24] <irad> damn....
[03:24] <Tm_T> still have that  problem?
[03:24] <irad> yeah
[03:24] <Tm_T> hmm hmm
[03:24] <irad> i am desperate
[03:25] <irad> lol
[03:25] <Tm_T> irad: ls /usr/lib/kde3/ -al | grep konsole
[03:25] <irad> i hope this is a bot
[03:25] <Tm_T> it's not
[03:25] <Tm_T> I am
[03:25] <irad> lol
[03:25] <irad> well
[03:25] <irad> i see some files there
[03:25] <irad> is there anything special i need to see?
[03:26] <irad> kcm_konsole.la
[03:26] <irad> ?
[03:26] <Tm_T> yup
[03:26] <irad> can't see it over there
[03:26] <Tm_T> agh!
[03:26] <Tm_T> now we need to know why not
[03:26] <Tm_T> irad: how many files there is
[03:26] <irad> lol
[03:27] <irad> it would be easier if i had counter:P
[03:27] <irad> 10 tm_t
[03:27] <Tm_T>  ls /usr/lib/kde3/ -al | grep konsole | wc -l
[03:27] <Tm_T> there's your counter ;)
[03:27] <irad> lol
[03:27] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: good morning :)
[03:27] <irad> i sux
[03:27] <Tm_T> irad: so you are missing both kcm_konsole.* files
[03:28] <irad> hmm yeah
[03:28] <Hobbsee> hi again Tm_T
[03:29] <Tm_T> irad: hm, very interesting indeed
[03:29] <sinik> hmmm how can I install msttcorefonts? there doens't seem to be anything on adept...
[03:29] <Tm_T> !msttcorefonts
[03:29] <ubotu> msttcorefonts is, like, sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts - you'll need multiverse enabled in your /etc/apt/sources.list first
[03:29] <Tm_T> sinik: there you go :)
[03:30] <sinik> :D thanks
[03:30] <irad> also when i open konsole via xterm and going to the 'settings' section i get this messege: irad@irad:~$ konsole
[03:30] <irad> konsole: WARNING: Unable to use /usr/share/apps/konsole/mc.desktop
[03:30] <irad> konsole: WARNING: Unable to use /usr/share/apps/konsole/sumc.desktop
[03:30] <Tm_T> uff
[03:31] <irad> maybe i need to compile the konsole from the source?
[03:33] <Tm_T> irad: youdon't get any errors when installing package?
[03:33] <irad> nothing
[03:33] <Tm_T> weird
[03:33] <irad> perfect installation
[03:34] <Tm_T> I have stupid feeling...
[03:34] <bh4tw> hi, im trying to install dapper on my friends computer, and when it boots to kde after usplash it goes to tty and it completeley freezez, what could be the problem? everything seems to load in dmesg
[03:34] <irad> lol
[03:34] <Tm_T> how about rebooting whole machine?
[03:34] <irad> my machine?
[03:34] <irad> hmmm... i done that already i don't think another time would really help
[03:35] <Tm_T> bh4tw: look /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[03:35] <bh4tw> k
[03:36] <Tm_T> bh4tw: like, "grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log" to get only error lines
[03:36] <bh4tw> k thnx
[03:36] <sinik> hmm I enabled all repositories in sources.list but still no msttcorefonts...
[03:36] <Tm_T> sinik: breezy?
[03:36] <sinik> yes
[03:37] <Tm_T> theyare in multiverse
[03:37] <Tm_T> s/theyare/that is/
[03:37] <Tm_T> http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/x11/msttcorefonts
[03:37] <Tm_T> sinik: you also should update packagelists
[03:38] <sinik> yeah I think I'm doing that...
[03:38] <RaRe> hey what's the command to list down mounted drives?
[03:38] <RaRe> it has something to do with fdisk? :o
[03:38] <Tm_T> sinik: do "sudo apt-get update" in konsole and see if there's any line containing "multiverse"
[03:40] <sinik> it's working, I probably did forget to update the lists, thanks :)
[03:40] <Tm_T> np :)
[03:40] <simian__> are any dapper users haveing problems with partially installed updates today?
[03:41] <Tm_T> simian__: not here, what's the problem?
[03:41] <simian__> Tm_T: at the end of an apt-get update i get this error message:
[03:41] <simian__> Errors were encountered while processing:
[03:41] <simian__>  debtags
[03:41] <simian__> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[03:42] <OdyX> smian__ debtags ?
[03:42] <OdyX> I do
[03:42] <OdyX> ..
[03:42] <Tm_T> simian__: ach! not again =)
[03:42] <simian__> Tm_T: what do you mean?
[03:42] <simian__> OdyX: your getting it too then?
[03:43] <Tm_T> simian__: we got issue with debtag package ~4 months ago
[03:43] <OdyX> yep... error...
[03:43] <Tm_T> OdyX: mind to do "dpkg -i" to that package to get full errormessage?
[03:43] <simian__> i feel slightly better that it's no just me lol
[03:43] <OdyX> Tm_T: is in /var/... ?
[03:44] <Tm_T> OdyX: yup
[03:44] <OdyX>  /var/cache/apt/archives ?
[03:44] <mart> yep
[03:44] <Tm_T> there yes
[03:44] <Tm_T> pic the newest debtag package there
[03:45] <Tm_T> pick even
[03:45] <OdyX> Tm_T: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/637703
[03:45] <Tm_T> thanks
[03:46] <OdyX> in fact.. I thought it had ever been reported.
[03:46] <Tm_T> :)
[03:48] <Rayman> HP Pavilian dv5000, dapper up-to-date and ndiswrapper with drivers suggested on the wiki -- no luck
[03:48] <bh4tw> im having problems with debtags too
[03:48] <bh4tw> anyways
[03:48] <Rayman> Could someone please help me? for some reason my wlan lists as eth0 and can't access the AP
[03:49] <bh4tw> Rayman, try typing "dhclient"
[03:49] <Tm_T> OdyX: fix is coming, so no worries
[03:49] <OdyX> Tm_T: OK
[03:49] <Rayman> bh4tw: doesn't help. :)
[03:50] <Rayman> receive_packet failed on eth0: Network is down
[03:50] <bh4tw> Rayman, is your card supported in ndiswrapper?
[03:51] <Rayman> bh4tw: should be according to the wiki.
[03:51] <Rayman> Broadcom 4316 or so.. let me check
[03:51] <Rayman> Broadcom 4318
[03:51] <Rayman> altho there are errors in dmesh
[03:51] <Rayman> s/dmesh/dmesg
[03:52] <Rayman> [ 7642.524302]  bcm43xx: Error: Microcode "bcm43xx_microcode5.fw" not available or load failed.
[03:52] <bh4tw> try "pccard eject" then "pccard insert"  , then ifconfig <interface> up
[03:53] <bh4tw> then dhclient
[03:58] <bh4tw> Rayman, did it work?
[04:06] <plb> eh anyone run kubuntu on amd64 in here? I tried kde 3.5.2 on debian but kde apps seemed to have random issues with not being able to find  a host
[04:07] <Rayman> bh4tw: It did something.. I no longer get error saying unknown interface eth0
[04:09] <Rayman> bh4tw: If I try to enable it from Kcontrol, it gets disabled right away
[04:17] <[Pepe] > Hi
[04:18] <[Pepe] > kennt jemand ein gutes programm um filme in verschiedene Formate umzuwandeln ? avi nach svcd,svcd nach avi usw.
[04:18] <morrow> !de
[04:18] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu und Kubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de resp. #kubuntu-de
[04:18] <_acidarrow> !amarok
[04:18] <ubotu> methinks amarok is a music player for Linux and Unix with an intuitive interface. See http://amarok.kde.org ; amaroK's features: http://amarok.kde.org/content/view/51/1/
[04:22] <RaRe> !volume
[04:22] <ubotu> RaRe: I haven't a clue, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[04:25] <martinjh99> Allo all
[04:25] <martinjh99> How do I change icon size in a konq filemanager window???
[04:27] <sinik> !ape
[04:27] <ubotu> sinik: Do they come in packets of five. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[04:28] <xwolf-> the kde login screen, how can i return to it from a console login?
[04:28] <martinjh99> xwolf - CTRL-ALT-F7
[04:29] <mart> xwolf-: or just log out, it'll restart eventually if you used the "Console Login" kdm menu option.
[04:29] <martinjh99> or CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE which will restart your X-Server although you have to be at a graphical screen for it to work...
[04:30] <xwolf-> i was thinking about something like 'startkde' or startx
[04:30] <martinjh99> yeah that should work if you don't have kdm running though...
[04:31] <martinjh99> Try it and see what happens...  Worst thing is you get an error saying X is already running...
[04:34] <martinjh99> How do I change icon size in a konq filemanager window???
[04:34] <sinik> what I need to make amarok play ape (monkey audio) files?
[04:34] <martinjh99> No idea - I know what I need for mp3... ;)
[04:35] <sinik> yeah I got that far myself :)
[04:37] <rnd_null> Adept Updater doesn't work for me
[04:37] <sinik> does it give you an error?
[04:37] <rnd_null> no
[04:37] <sinik> it tries to load for a while and then closes?
[04:37] <rnd_null> it asks for my passwd then dies?
[04:38] <sinik> hmm I don't know, but adept updater seems to have some problems here as well. but it seems to work if I open adept and then adept udpater again for some reason
[04:39] <rnd_null> i just tried it again and it tried to load for a while and then closed
[04:39] <sinik> is the normal adept working?
[04:40] <daan> does someone know how i can update my nvidia driver?
[04:41] <sinik> !gstreamer0.8-monkeysaudio
[04:41] <ubotu> sinik: What? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[04:41] <rnd_null> i just ran adept and it said that another program was using adept, but nothing else is running...
[04:42] <daan> when i download the latest package and I type in the Konsole sudo sh Nvidia...... it says that it couldn't it because there's already one loaded
[04:43] <daan> ERROR: An NVIDIA kernel module 'nvidia' appears to already be loaded in your
[04:43] <daan>          kernel.  This may be because it is in use (for example, by the X
[04:43] <daan>          server), but may also happen if your kernel was configured without
[04:43] <daan>          support for module unloading.  Please be sure you have exited X
[04:44] <daan>          before attempting to upgrade your driver.  If you have exited X, know
[04:44] <daan>          that your kernel supports module unloading, and still receive this
[04:44] <daan>          message, then an error may have occured that has corrupted the NVIDIA
[04:44] <daan>          kernel module's usage count; the simplest remedy is to reboot your
[04:44] <daan>          computer.
[04:44] <Tm_T> !paste
[04:44] <ubotu> Don't flood the channel! Please use the pastebin at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ or the channel #flood to paste large amount of text.
[04:44] <daan> that's the error
[04:44] <Tm_T> kubuntu.pastebin.com is also good
[04:44] <rnd_null> Ksysguard wont run either...
[04:44] <daan> sorry
[04:45] <daan> does someone know the answerN
[04:45] <Tm_T> daan: it's said there.
[04:45] <daan> where
[04:46] <Tm_T> in that error message, atleast I think so
[04:46] <daan> i know but my question is how to do that?
[04:46] <Tm_T> daan: first, why you try install nvidia drivers your own?
[04:47] <daan> is there an other way, cuz my adept updater says there are no updates
[04:47] <Tm_T> well
[04:47] <Tm_T> why you have to update
[04:47] <daan> because i simpy want the newest drivers...
[04:47] <Tm_T> IF you already have working nvidia drivers
[04:48] <Tm_T> daan: then read readmes etc
[04:48] <daan> but actually also because of my screen resolution
[04:48] <seaLne> trappist: ping
[04:48] <daan> there's a problem with it
[04:48] <Tm_T> daan: what is it? prolly something that won't be fixed with newer drivers
[04:49] <daan> now it's 1024*768 but i want it to run at 1280*1024
[04:49] <Tm_T> daan: well, that's not driver issue
[04:49] <OdyX> Tm_T: debtags' update successful.
[04:49] <Tm_T> OdyX: good
[04:50] <daan> but there's no possibility to set it on 1280*1024
[04:50] <daan> the max is 1024*768
[04:50] <puckman> I noticed that skim is gone though, shame :(
[04:50] <Tm_T> daan: yeah, but that's not driver issue :)
[04:50] <daan> ok, what issue is it than :p
[04:50] <Tm_T> daan: xorg.conf is your friend
[04:50] <daan> aha
[04:50] <daan> but
[04:50] <RaRe> daan: about the screen resolution - to get higher ones you need to reconfigure xorg
[04:51] <daan> ok
[04:51] <Segovia> daan: sudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf and add the res you want?
[04:51] <daan> let's see
[04:51] <Tm_T> Segovia: RaRe: ok, help him then edit it ;) I'm out now ->
[04:53] <RaRe> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:54] <Segovia> daan: you could also "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" if that makes you feel more comfortable.
[04:54] <Segovia> lol NM.  RaRe just said the same thing
[04:56] <Segovia> daan: when using that, if you don't understand any of the questions it asks you, just leave the default choice, which is your current settings.
[04:58] <RaRe> daan: yea, and about the driver - based on my experience if you're using a nvidia card - choose nvidia not nv
[04:58] <Segovia> daan: you'll need to restart X afterwards.  Keep in mind that the highest resolution you choose is the one that X will default to.
[04:58] <RaRe> cuz when i chose nv, i couldn't run 3d apps
[04:58] <daan> ok
[04:58] <daan> thx
[04:58] <Segovia> yes.  if you've got the nvidia drivers installed.  it needs to be nvidia, not nv
[04:59] <sinik> !alsasink
[04:59] <ubotu> Some people juggle geese. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, sinik
[05:00] <RaRe> !geese
[05:00] <ubotu> RaRe: No idea, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[05:01] <xwolf-> any ideas on the reason why any cd inserted in cd-rom is recognized as blank cd-r?
[05:02] <daan> ok I have filled all reconfigure questions but now I get this in the console
[05:02] <daan> xserver-xorg postinst warning: overwriting possibly-customised configuration
[05:02] <daan>    file; backup in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.200604031701
[05:02] <daan> this is normal I assume?
[05:02] <Segovia> daan: that's fine.  it's just telling you it's going to backup your xorg.conf with that name.
[05:02] <daan> should I just reboor
[05:02] <daan> reboot
[05:02] <daan> k
[05:02] <daan> thx
[05:02] <MasterLap> Can someone here help me with my openSSL+vsFTP-problems?
[05:02] <RaRe> xwolf-: my wild guess is that the cd wasn't finilized (if its a burned cd)
[05:03] <Segovia> log out and hit ctrl+alt+backspace at login screen to restart X daan
[05:03] <xwolf-> no, ANY cd... original or not
[05:03] <daan> thx
[05:03] <daan> cya
[05:04] <MasterLap> Someone here with vsFTPd+SSL experience?
[05:05] <puckman> Is the gui adept client based on a browser or somthing?
[05:06] <puckman> in flight 6 I get weird MIME type errors
[05:06] <puckman> like you would get if you go to a page that has video you cant play or something like that
[05:06] <mornfall> puckman?
[05:06] <_alex> hello
[05:06] <trappist> seaLne: pong
[05:06] <mornfall> puckman: ah, well, it shows a file list -- and the icons are derived from mime types
[05:06] <_alex> anyone nows about avaya ip client for linux?
[05:06] <MasterLap> Someone here with vsFTPd+SSL experience?
[05:07] <seaLne> trappist: hi just wanted to ask you about #37535
[05:08] <seaLne> trappist: how are you making the changes? by right clicking?
[05:08] <Pupeno> what firewall do you recommend that supports ipv6 ? (that is, iptables front end)
[05:08] <trappist> seaLne: yes
[05:08] <daan> Problem solved!
[05:08] <MasterLap> Someone here with vsFTPd+SSL experience?
[05:08] <daan> Now I have the right screen resolution
[05:08] <puckman> mornfall: ah, ok, got an error saying that a certain mime type was not supported
[05:08] <mornfall> installed, no?
[05:08] <seaLne> trappist: i have a similar setup to you i think with seperate kde running on 0:0 and 0:1?
[05:09] <puckman> mornfall: new adept looks nice though, also cool its now one, not 2
[05:09] <trappist> seaLne: let me see if that's the case...
[05:09] <seaLne> trappist: no xinerama?
[05:09] <Segovia> daan: good news mate  :)
[05:09] <trappist> np
[05:09] <trappist> err, no
[05:10] <trappist> seaLne: it seems both displays are 0:0
[05:11] <vanten_> doe anyone know wether kdebluetooth is broken at the moment? I get a "Malformed URL bluetooth:/"
[05:11] <vanten_> does
[05:11] <trappist> seaLne: I can post my xorg.conf if that'll help
[05:12] <seaLne> trappist: yeah, stick it in a pastebin
[05:13] <sinik> what's the best output plugin for gstreamer? (what are thse plugins anyway)
[05:13] <trappist> seaLne: http://tra.ppi.st/xorg.conf
[05:13] <MasterLap> Someone here with vsFTPd+SSL experience?
[05:14] <mart> sinik: I use ALSA on the "if it works, don't mess with it" principle.
[05:14] <trappist> I prefer the "if it ain't broke, tweak it" philosophy
[05:15] <mart> only works if you know enough about the thing to fix it... and for sound systems, I'm stumped.
[05:15] <seaLne> trappist: yeah your setup is similar
[05:15] <mart> guess it depends on how much real work you want to do that day :)
[05:16] <trappist> seaLne: it's a docked laptop using the native monitor plus a widescreen plugged into the docking station
[05:16] <seaLne> trappist: i'm now finding that no changes i make have any effect
[05:16] <seaLne> trappist: yeah i just have 2 graphics cards
[05:16] <MasterLap> Someone here with vsFTPd+SSL experience?
[05:16] <trappist> seaLne: if you killall kicker and rerun kicker, your changes should be there
[05:17] <trappist> seaLne: I don't suppose one of your monitors is widescreen?  I have another kicker bug out because on the widescreen my 100% wide panel is only about 80% wide
[05:17] <seaLne> trappist: nope both the same
[05:18] <seaLne> just standard monitors
[05:18] <RaRe> !audio
[05:18] <ubotu> RaRe: Not a clue. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[05:19] <gerard> interesting, a lot of change in konversation
[05:19] <seaLne> trappist: thanks, confirmed your bug unfortunatly
[05:20] <trappist> seaLne: I don't think it's unfortunate at all - just a little less fortunate than if you fixed it :)  thanks
[05:25] <Pupeno> How do I change the Gtk+ engine ?
[05:28] <Pupeno> what program is used ? does anybody know ?
[05:57] <_ben> Hey. So I'm using Kubuntu now. The first time I loaded it, it has screen reso like 1280xsomething, and it was perfect. This being the second, third and fourth time after rebooting it will only let me choose 640x480.. does anyone have any suggestions?
[05:58] <sinik> can't you change it from system settings -> display?
[05:58] <Boojy> My only choice is this
[05:58] <Boojy> Except the first time, I had four choices, including the 1280 one, 1024 and 800
[05:59] <sinik> hmm no idea :/.
[05:59] <sinik> I'm newbie-ish too
[05:59] <puckman> Can anyone here help me gettin Japanese input going?
[05:59] <Boojy> I was using a different distro, but I was told Ubuntu is rather user friendly
[05:59] <puckman> I'm a bit stuck
[05:59] <Boojy> I don't think it is
[05:59] <puckman> Please.
[06:00] <robotgeek> Boojy: i think you need skim, support greatly improved in dapper
[06:00] <puckman> Kubuntu is GREAT
[06:00] <trappist> yeah that is a bug that was reported and fixed (in dapper)
[06:00] <mart> robotgeek: er, you mean to talk to puckman, I think
[06:01] <Boojy> Gar! I don't even know what my root password is!
[06:01] <mart> Boojy: there isn't one
[06:01] <trappist> Boojy: you don't have one
[06:01] <robotgeek> ubotu: tell Boojy about root
[06:01] <puckman> I just installed flight 6 so skim comes preinstalled
[06:01] <puckman> Yay to the Kubuntu guys
[06:01] <puckman> BUT, I cant get it to work.
[06:01] <Boojy> so, how do i make "system changes" ? :(
[06:01] <dipnlik> puckman: why did you leave mac os? i'm planning on buying a mac this year
[06:01] <trappist> I'm personally pretty stoked about the new cups package.  stuff finally works out of the box.
[06:01] <mart> nah, I couldn't get skim to work.
[06:02] <puckman> dipnlik: because it's boring.
[06:02] <mart> Boojy: what resolutions do you see in System Settings->Display?
[06:02] <dipnlik> puckman: boring like what? no new software?
[06:02] <puckman> dipnlik: dont get me wrong, still like the mac os but like kubuntu much better
[06:02] <Boojy> just the one
[06:03] <trappist> who knows what package has the kde interface for cups configuration?
[06:03] <Boojy> only one choice, 640x480 and just one frequency 60hz
[06:03] <mart> Boojy: can you try running:  grep Modes /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:03] <mart> Boojy: in a terminal
[06:03] <puckman> dipnlik: just the way it works, the speed on older hardware, tons and tons of nice free softwware like gimp, blender, inkscape
[06:04] <puckman> anyways, ANYONE, who can help me get skim working? Pls?
[06:04] <mart> puckman: try #scim?
[06:04] <dipnlik> puckman: what i don't like about linux is that if something doesn't just work, it usually is pretty hard to fix
[06:04] <Boojy> i'll try :)
[06:04] <puckman> dipnlik: I do miss workin Japanese input on OSX
[06:04] <puckman> mart: tried, its DEAD in there
[06:05] <Boojy> that gives me lots of screen resos
[06:05] <mart> puckman: oh, mailing list then I guess :(
[06:05] <puckman> So whats Boojv's problem?
[06:05] <dipnlik> puckman: used debian last year, was spending more fixing problems than doing something useful
[06:05] <mart> Boojy: that's still weird
[06:05] <Boojy> I know :(
[06:05] <puckman> dipnlik: use Kubuntu!
[06:05] <Boojy> it  has them all there
[06:05] <dipnlik> puckman: planning on kubuntu on my home PC this month. using at wok, quite good
[06:06] <puckman> dipnlik: 90% of the things I do these days work fine out of the box
[06:06] <Boojy> why can't i choose em, no idea?
[06:06] <mart> Boojy: I can only suggest looking in your /var/log/Xorg.0.log ...
[06:06] <trappist> Boojy: there have been a LOT of changes and fixes to that module in dapper.  you might consider upgrading. (disclaimer: it's still officially unstable)
[06:06] <puckman> dipnlik: right out of the box you can surf the web, email, write documents, play music and chat. for me that is enough to start
[06:07] <dipnlik> puckman: if klubuntu works at home the way i want it to work, no mac for me :P
[06:07] <puckman> dipnlik: with a bit of extra work you can play all types of media files
[06:07] <puckman> dipnlik: then you install inkscape, gimp, blender and your happy for creative tasks
[06:07] <puckman> dipnlik: krita is coming along real nice to
[06:08] <dipnlik> puckman: i'm still planning though. mac plan arrived at my head last year. got to use kubuntu at home for at least 6 months
[06:08] <puckman> dipnlik: not to sure on k office, needs work but open office makes sure you can communicate office stuff
[06:08] <mart> it releases next week sometime
[06:08] <dipnlik> puckman: need to try PDA sync software on kubuntu
[06:08] <puckman> dipnlik: I have a Mac Mini at home but the ONLY thing I use it for is listen to itunes and play warcraft
[06:08] <puckman> dipnlik: that sucks as much on mac as it does on linux
[06:09] <puckman> dipnlik: i have xp on a partition just for pda sync
[06:09] <dipnlik> puckman: oh
[06:09] <dipnlik> what PDA do you have?
[06:09] <dipnlik> i have a treo 600 coming next week if i'm lucky
[06:09] <mart> hmm, multisync worked fine for me for my mobile...
[06:09] <Boojy> there's a lot of these
[06:09] <Boojy> (II) I810(0): Not using mode "1280x1024" (no mode of this name)
[06:09] <Boojy> (II) I810(0): Not using mode "1152x864" (no mode of this name)
[06:10] <Boojy> and then at the end
[06:10] <Boojy> it seems to decide 640x480 is the only option
[06:10] <mart> er...
[06:10] <Boojy> (**) I810(0): *Built-in mode "640x480" <-- here ?
[06:10] <sinik> anyone knows if it's possible to play ape files in kubuntu? I'm starting to conclude that it's not possible
[06:10] <dipnlik> mart: what mobile do you have?
[06:11] <mart> Ericsson T630 or something.
[06:11] <mart> apparently works fine with Sony Clie's too.
[06:11] <dipnlik> puckman , mart : i tried syncing my nokia 6600 with BT, no luck. will try with the treo, it is palmos, should be "easier"
[06:11] <mart> Boojy: what's your graphics card according to:   lspci |grep VGA
[06:11] <robotgeek> mart: should work with bluetooth, i t worked for me in breezy
[06:11] <dipnlik> mart: i had a sony clie ux50, jpilot worked great on debian, but never tried kontact
[06:12] <mart> yeah, palm os is much more reliable with linux, it seems.
[06:12] <Boojy> oh, i'm sorry mart. i don't know how to look at what you typed? are they commands? dirs?
[06:12] <mart> robotgeek: that's what I'm saying - it did work :)
[06:12] <mart> Boojy: commands - copy it into a terminal
[06:12] <robotgeek> mart: sorry, being particularly slow this morning
[06:12] <dipnlik> it would be marvelous if i could sync the treo with kontact -- i hate outlook
[06:13] <robotgeek> mart: mind writing a guide for it :)
[06:13] <mart> robotgeek: aww... I have a chapter to write here...
[06:13] <mart> dipnlik: multisync was syncing with kontact
[06:14] <robotgeek> mart: did you use multisynK ?
[06:14] <Boojy> 0000:00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G] /GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 03)
[06:14] <Boojy> in windows it lets me use em all. and the first time i logged in after install it let me.
[06:14] <mart> robotgeek: not the ...nK, no.  I don't think it existed back then.
[06:14] <dipnlik> mart: oh, ok, thanks
[06:15] <mart> Boojy: that's very close to what I have...
[06:15] <dipnlik> YAY! http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=632020&postcount=2
[06:15] <Boojy> obviously though, i think the strangest thing is.. i installed it, screen reso's were fine, i rebooted it, then they just weren't fine? should i reinstall maybe its a minor glitch that shouldn't've happened that will repair itself?
[06:16] <mart> Boojy: wanna compare xorg.conf's?
[06:16] <Boojy> sure
[06:16] <Boojy> how copypaste?
[06:16] <robotgeek> pastebin
[06:16] <larsivi> anyone else having problems with the debtags upgrade today? It fails on both my dapper pc's
[06:17] <robotgeek> larsivi: yes, been a problem since yesterday
[06:17] <mart> larsivi: yeah, apparently a fix is on it's way, if I read correctly
[06:17] <mart> Boojy: http://rafb.net/paste/results/IMFM4W13.html
[06:18] <dipnlik> leaving, bye all
[06:18] <mart> bye
[06:18] <larsivi> robotgeek, mart: thanks
[06:19] <puckman> ...Anyone have a spare 5 min to help me get scim working?
[06:19] <Boojy> you have more info in your " Section "Monitor" "
[06:20] <puckman> Its there but when I click on it which should give me the menu I just see a very very small window which is black
[06:20] <puckman> blank
[06:20] <mart> Boojy: yeah, that's just so DPI is correct for my monitor probably
[06:20] <mart> Boojy: I hate it when 12pt isn't actually 12pt
[06:20] <Boojy> er i dont really get ya there..
[06:21] <Boojy> see in windows i'd be all uninstall device and let windows install it again cuz it shits itself
[06:21] <Boojy> i can't do that in kubuntu can i
[06:21] <mart> Boojy: well, 12pt is 12/72 of an inch - by setting DisplaySize I can pick a 12pt font, and know it'll display as 12pt.
[06:22] <mart> Boojy: you could always try running : dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg
[06:23] <Boojy> nothing happened in the console? just went to the next input?
[06:23] <mart> er, run sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-org
[06:24] <Boojy> i did that :P after it said can't run from root
[06:24] <Boojy> see i'm learning a little, woo newb power ???
[06:24] <Boojy> its so .... crappy.. using this reso
[06:24] <Boojy> go on, i dare u, change it down to this :P:P
[06:25] <Boojy> its almost impossible
[06:25] <Boojy> is there an xconfig or anything similar?
[06:25] <mart> Boojy: well, given kde minimum is 800x600, I think I'll skip that one :)
[06:25] <sinik> I used to run redhat at 320x240 when there where no drivers for my graphics card :P
[06:25] <Boojy> ugh
[06:26] <_alex> hello does anyone can help me update KDE becouse i have the 3.4.x version
[06:26] <mart> Boojy: which version are you running?
[06:26] <Boojy> er. yeah. :) version of kubuntu or kde? im honestly not sure sorry
[06:27] <Boojy> kde 3.4.3
[06:27] <Boojy> i worked that one out :)
[06:27] <_alex> yes i have that one
[06:27] <mart> Boojy: that's in breezy?
[06:27] <_alex> kde 3.4.3 but i want to try the new one kde 3.5.2
[06:27] <Boojy> im sorry mart, i dont know what breezy is
[06:27] <_alex> how can i install it
[06:27] <_alex> ?
[06:27] <mart> Boojy: er, how did you install kubuntu?
[06:28] <Boojy> i downloaded a dvd iso from my ISP site
[06:28] <Boojy> and popped the dvd in
[06:28] <mart> _alex: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-352.php
[06:28] <Boojy> it was 3.4gb or so
[06:28] <sinik> !libmac
[06:28] <ubotu> sinik: Not a clue. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[06:28] <mart> Boojy: oh right, it normally says which version of kubuntu it is.
[06:28] <Boojy> i'll check :)
[06:29] <_alex> mart: i was in that link but how can i update via apt-get
[06:29] <mart> _alex: you followed the instructions there already?
[06:29] <_alex> yes
[06:29] <_alex> they ask for download
[06:30] <mart> _alex: what does that mean?
[06:30] <mart> "they"?
[06:30] <Boojy> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/638012
[06:30] <Boojy> thats for u btw mart
[06:31] <mart> Boojy: can you try pasting your xorg.conf file?
[06:31] <mart> in a pastebin
[06:31] <Boojy> lol sure i did that before but forgot to paste the link
[06:31] <mart> _alex: you're not making any sense.  if you tell me what you've done, I can tell you what to do next
[06:31] <Boojy> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/637992
[06:32] <Boojy> mart: btw, thank u very much for ur help
[06:32] <mart> Boojy: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure -pmedium xserver-xorg   :)
[06:33] <mart> I'm sure it should prompt you for a monitor size somewhere....
[06:34] <Boojy> i pressed enter and it came up ready for my next input
[06:34] <Boojy> to use sudo should i login as my own logon? i made a new account to see if the screen reso would work, really lame idea i guess
[06:35] <mart> Boojy: ah, yeah, you probably need to run it in the first user account you created.
[06:35] <Boojy> oh
[06:35] <mart> Boojy: the first user account gets put into the 'admin' group.
[06:35] <Boojy> ok :) brb?
[06:35] <mart> Boojy: I have an alternative
[06:35] <Boojy> yes?
[06:35] <mart> Boojy: if you google for: philiips 107e vertical sync
[06:36] <mart> the first hit (you need to get the cached version probably) has the vert. and horiz. sync details for your monitor
[06:36] <mart> Horizontal scanning frequency :  30 - 111 KHz
[06:36] <mart>   Vertical scanning frequency :  50 - 160 Hz
[06:37] <mart> Boojy: you could try popping them in the monitor section, like they are in my xorg.conf
[06:37] <Boojy> use both frequencies, ie the lower and the upper, or just choose one in the middle?
[06:38] <mart> Boojy: hmm, maybe it's better to use dpkg-reconfigure now I think about it
[06:38] <Boojy> i'll switch to my user brb k
[06:38] <mart> hand editting this file is a bit of a last resort
[06:40] <Boojy> could u please copy/paste the reconfigure command i'm trying to run?
[06:40] <mart> sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-org
[06:40] <mart> if not, try replacing low with medium
[06:40] <Boojy> ok
[06:41] <Boojy> well
[06:41] <Boojy> the low didn't work
[06:41] <Boojy> the medium brought up a little graphical thingo in the konsole
[06:41] <mart> yay
[06:42] <Boojy> its asking for my video card bus identifier
[06:42] <killian> how do i sinchronyse the clock regularly to a time-server?
[06:42] <Boojy> and im stumped?:D
[06:42] <Boojy> do i search google for it
[06:42] <mart> Boojy: does it have something in there already?
[06:42] <_acidarrow> hum anyone has any idea why adept opens in read-only mode since the last reboot?
[06:42] <Boojy> PCI:0:2:0, stick with that?
[06:42] <mart> Boojy: yep
[06:42] <shiggs> yo ppl I have a problem
[06:42] <mart> _acidarrow: it needs superuser privileges to update your system.
[06:43] <shiggs> I"m running the latest kubuntu and no matter what I do I can't get it to play MP3s
[06:43] <shiggs> I've installed the libraries etc
[06:43] <shiggs> what gives?
[06:43] <shiggs> any media player says something along the lines of "This is not an audio stream"
[06:43] <shiggs> help?
[06:44] <shiggs> anyone?
[06:44] <Boojy> mart: i think i did it all good. it even let me choose what screen reso's i would like to use out of about 20 options. should i logout/login or restart?
[06:44] <_harm> how do i kill mplayer ...  its frozen
[06:44] <Boojy> cuz they're not in my display yet..
[06:45] <shiggs> ..
[06:45] <mart> Boojy: yeah, you'll need to log out, then, when you get the login screen, hit Ctrl-Alt-Backspace, then log in.
[06:45] <My8os> _harm: pidof gmplayer and then kill the_pid_u_see
[06:45] <mart> Boojy: (Ctrl-Alt-Backspace will restart the x server)
[06:45] <shiggs> can ANYONE help me?
[06:45] <Boojy> ctrl alt backspace huh :) thanks so much..i'll be backeh?
[06:45] <My8os> shiggs: did you install the xine-engine?
[06:46] <shiggs> xine? why would a movie player's engine help to play mp3s?
[06:46] <mart> Boojy: go for it.
[06:46] <My8os> install xine-engine...its not just for videos
[06:46] <My8os> and use it with amarok
[06:47] <My8os> and u ll have mp3z ;)
[06:47] <shiggs> apt doesnt find it
[06:47] <nico8481> hi
[06:47] <_harm> My8os thx
[06:48] <shiggs> My8os: I did apt-get install xine-engine and apt reports that it can't find that package
[06:48] <My8os> it might be better to use adept
[06:48] <My8os> i cant remember the exact name for this file
[06:48] <My8os> search it in adept
[06:48] <shiggs> yeah
[06:48] <mart> apt-cache search xine engine will help
[06:48] <shiggs> kk
[06:49] <Boojy> good news! ? :)
[06:49] <shiggs> whoa swweet
[06:49] <shiggs> thanks
[06:49] <acidarrow_> which is a goot torrent client for kubuntu?
[06:49] <acidarrow_> goot=good
[06:49] <mart> Boojy: you tell us.
[06:50] <spiritz> acidarrow_: I use ktorrent
[06:50] <Skrot> acidarrow_: ktorrent work for most
[06:50] <Skrot> It has some issues with certain trackers though
[06:50] <mart> Boojy: ?
[06:51] <shiggs> shit...
[06:51] <shiggs> gstreamer etc is current
[06:51] <shiggs> >_>;
[06:51] <frank23> Skrot: yeah. I was wondering why ktorrent could not connect to a tracker that azureus could
[06:52] <My8os> shiggs: in amarok: settings->configure amarok->engines and change it to xine
[06:52] <mart> * gulp *
[06:52] <shiggs> kk
[06:52] <Skrot> frank23: It has issues mostly with closed community trackers (as many of them use the same tracker script)
[06:52] <shiggs> kk @ My8os
[06:53] <frank23> Skrot: that tracker was not closed though. It was open to everyone
[06:53] <Skrot> frank23: okay :)
[06:53] <Boojy> er.. did u get all that?:)
[06:53] <mart> Boojy: status report, please?
[06:53] <Boojy> oh i typed it out
[06:53] <Boojy> lol
[06:53] <Boojy> must be lagging?
[06:53] <Boojy> well the first time i did it, i chose an option in the little install grpahical thing in the konsole and it said "both methods will work, only one will on some and some will other times" the first time i chose yes.. i logged out.. the screen was bigger but it was overlapping and ugly so i ctrl alt backspaced and it went back to
[06:53] <Boojy> well the first time i did it, i chose an option in the little install grpahical thing in the konsole and it said "both methods will work, only one will on some and some will other times" the first time i chose yes.. i logged out.. the screen was bigger but it was overlapping and ugly so i ctrl alt backspaced and it went back to
[06:54] <Boojy> well the first time i did it, i chose an option in the little install grpahical thing in the konsole and it said "both methods will work, only one will on some and some will other times" the first time i chose yes.. i logged out.. the screen was bigger but it was overlapping and ugly so i ctrl alt backspaced and it went back to
[06:54] <Boojy> argh
[06:54] <Boojy> stupid copy paste
[06:54] <Boojy> apologies!
[06:54] <mart> ffff.
[06:54] <Boojy> 640x480, then i went and typed the command again and chose "no" and once the thingy finished autodetecting my monitor it automatically logged me out
[06:54] <Boojy> with the bigger screen reso automatically set
[06:54] <Boojy> so i stored that command in a text filecase it needs to happen again
[06:55] <Boojy> so yeah, i guess all in all it fixed. just i ran that command twice, and at once stage i answered yes, and the second time round i answered no
[06:55] <Boojy> it did say to try both
[06:55] <mart> Boojy: the X server in dapper is much better, hopefully it wont happen again
[06:55] <Boojy> whats dapper? :)
[06:55] <mart> Boojy: the question was about DRI or something?
[06:55] <Boojy> rings a bell ?:)
[06:55] <mart> Boojy: the next version of kubuntu after breezy.
[06:56] <Boojy> oh. which is not out yet, correct?
[06:56] <mart> Boojy: due out in june, I think
[06:56] <Boojy> oki doki
[06:56] <Naoz> Heya folks :) just have one question to ask of you all.. the only butu dist I can get to load is Dapper Drake am I better off going back to Fedora? Or should I stick with this?
[06:56] <Boojy> are u on breezy then?
[06:56] <mart> Boojy: nah, I'm running the development version of dapper.
[06:57] <mart> Naoz: I'd stick with dapper :)
[06:57] <mart> and I'd certainly never use FC ;)
[06:57] <Boojy> now, im not whinging, and i dont need it fixed exactly..but in my control centre, my network settings dialog won't load completely..i can't see the bottom, almost as if 640x480 is back again, when i resize the window bigger all i see is the control centre beneath, is this a common breezy problem?
[06:58] <shiggs> My8os: I have gstreamer as my current engine in amarok... why isnt that working?
[06:58] <mart> Boojy: must you fiddle with that? :) it doesn't work too well in breezy :(
[06:59] <acidarrow_> the new amarok only works with xine right now, right? (at least until gstreamer 0.10 is available for kubuntu)
[06:59] <mart> shiggs: I think the faq on kubuntu.org lists the extra packages you need
[06:59] <My8os> i dont know...it didnt work to me either so i changed it to xine and now i can play everything
[06:59] <Boojy> no i mustn't :)
[06:59] <mart> acidarrow_: that's right, for beta2 anyway
[06:59] <Boojy> because during the installation it automatically setup internet sharing with the winxp gateway
[06:59] <mart> acidarrow_: beta1 supports gstreamer
[06:59] <Boojy> very happy about that
[07:00] <Naoz> well say I stuck with this Dapper Drake.. will that mean I will have to reinstall everything in the future or can I just upgrade?
[07:00] <mart> Naoz: just upgrade
[07:00] <Naoz> sweet ty ty mart
[07:02] <vinboy> hi
[07:02] <vinboy> i would like to join kubuntu
[07:02] <vinboy> but duno where to star
[07:02] <vinboy> start
[07:02] <mart> vinboy: what would you like to do?
[07:02] <mart> there are at least a million ways to help.
[07:02] <vinboy> lol
[07:03] <vinboy> i would like to make packages or development work
[07:03] <shiggs> in regards to a torrent client, I just got gnome-btdownload and it works fine
[07:03] <vinboy> i use azureus!! java is fast on linux
[07:03] <shiggs> heh
[07:03] <shiggs> my comp is shitty slow
[07:03] <shiggs> 233 p2
[07:03] <shiggs> 160 mb ram
[07:03] <shiggs> >_>;;
[07:04] <shiggs> 4gb hdd
[07:04] <vinboy> wat is ur hardware spec
[07:04] <vinboy> oh
[07:04] <vinboy> tat is sad
[07:04] <vinboy> u should get a decent pc
[07:04] <vinboy> linux is good
[07:04] <vinboy> with kde
[07:04] <shiggs> I'm running KDE as we speak
[07:04] <Naoz> anyone seen Xgl in action yet?
[07:04] <shiggs> vinboy: it's actually running acceptably
[07:04] <dereks__> vinboy: java is fast?
[07:04] <shiggs> Lol
[07:05] <vinboy> dereks__: yes.. java is fast on linux than on windows...
[07:05] <vinboy> and smooth
[07:06] <dereks__> vinboy: interesting.... by default java is slow though
[07:07] <vinboy> dereks__: yes java is slower than C or C++ like programs.
[07:07] <vinboy> by the way
[07:07] <dereks__> thats like saying my fibonaci number program is faster on linux than windows
[07:07] <mart> vinboy: in the topic there's a link to a list of IRC channels
[07:07] <vinboy> wat version of java are u using?
[07:07] <dereks__> vinboy: i won't java
[07:07] <vinboy> mart: ?
[07:07] <mart> vinboy: perhaps there's something there you might want to help with
[07:08] <vinboy> mart: oh ic... yes i'm looking at the helping kubuntu page
[07:08] <mart> vinboy: failing that, providing support here is good :)
[07:08] <vinboy> dereks__: go get java  1.5 update06
[07:08] <vinboy> mart: this is my third day using kubuntu :D
[07:09] <dereks__> vinboy: why?
[07:09] <dereks__> vinboy: i won't use sun's java
[07:09] <vinboy> dereks__: oh ok
[07:09] <vinboy> well
[07:09] <vinboy> java is good though
[07:09] <bkjones> won't use sun's java? Why?
[07:09] <dereks__> vinboy: i am more of a fan python and mono
[07:10] <vinboy> yes.. why?
[07:10] <vinboy> oh ic
[07:10] <vinboy> hey
[07:10] <bkjones> and what's this about "by default java is slow"?
[07:10] <vinboy> wat is mono
[07:10] <vinboy> is it C#?
[07:10] <dereks__> bkjones: i won't use sun's because I won't put propietary software on my machine
[07:10] <dereks__> bkjones: it is
[07:10] <mart> vinboy: it's the free .net implementation.
[07:11] <vinboy> ic
[07:11] <vinboy> i'll go take a look
[07:11] <mart> urgh
[07:11] <vinboy> is it fast during execution?
[07:11] <dereks__> vinboy: same problems java has with speed
[07:11] <mart> vinboy: compared to what?
[07:11] <bkjones> dereks__: can I ask what you're using for a flash plugin, then?
[07:11] <vinboy> compared to java
[07:11] <mart> vinboy: it's not very big in the kde world
[07:12] <mart> vinboy: kde people are more likely to use java
[07:12] <vinboy> ic
[07:12] <vinboy> most ppl use java
[07:12] <dereks__> bkjones: i don't use a flash plugin
[07:12] <bkjones> m.
[07:12] <dereks__> but i would probably use gnash
[07:12] <vinboy> dereks__: sound like you have no multimedia in ur pc
[07:12] <bkjones> yeah, I tried that. It sux0rz
[07:13] <bkjones> Can't find one that doesn't either crash or freeze up on amd64.
[07:13] <mart> is gnash usable yet?
[07:13] <dereks__> vinboy: i do...
[07:13] <dereks__> mart: i don't use it, i said that i probably would if i needed flash
[07:13] <shiggs> w00t
[07:13] <dereks__> i also tend to use mostly console programs
[07:13] <shiggs> I got it runnign with ARTS
[07:14] <mart> dereks__: I didn't think it was anywhere near usable yet... but that's not based on any experience with it
[07:14] <vinboy> my azureus is giving me headache... i never sees my BT run so fast b4 in windowz
[07:14] <dereks__> mart: yeah, aren't there 2 other opensource flash projects?
[07:14] <dereks__> vinboy: why is it giving you a headache
[07:15] <vinboy> dereks__: i dunno if  i should believe the speed or not
[07:15] <bkjones> I don't get that. I've been a *nix admin for almost 10 years and don't know but maybe 2 people in the world who use "mostly console programs". What's the reasoning? Are you running a 486 or something?
[07:15] <mart> dereks__: I know of at least one, but it won't do the very latest flash stuff.
[07:15] <mart> bkjones: who are you speaking to?
[07:15] <bkjones> sorry. dereks__
[07:15] <dereks__> bkjones: no, i love screen... i have many computers in work, so all my irc/email/im/etc is on console
[07:15] <vinboy> lol
[07:16] <dereks__> mart: interesting
[07:16] <vinboy> im on console is ugly
[07:16] <dereks__> vinboy: i disagree
[07:16] <mart> ah, yes, I have screen running on a server I use
[07:16] <vinboy> kde is really good... so complete
[07:16] <mart> and do a lot of coding in "emacs -nw"
[07:17] <vinboy> kmail,konversation,kopete,konqueror,klipper... wat tlse
[07:17] <Sinik> amaroK :)
[07:17] <vinboy> yup
[07:17] <vinboy> i missed that
[07:17] <vinboy> amorok rocks
[07:18] <dereks__> vinboy = kde's new promoter
[07:18] <vinboy> heheee
[07:18] <vinboy> and i don't get paid
[07:18] <bkjones> some day, mp3 support will be included. That's my dream. Alternatively, some open source format will be embraced by the masses. That's my dream, too. :-)
[07:19] <bkjones> The latter seems really out there, though.
[07:19] <vinboy> mart: thanks for the website :)
[07:19] <Sinik> mp3 suppoer is pretty easy to add anyway, and ogg is making progress lately :)
[07:19] <Sinik> I'm hoping for ape support :/
[07:19] <vinboy> bkjones: mp3 is supported..
[07:19] <dereks__> bkjones: didn't fluendo license mp3?
[07:20] <munzir> Hi,  I want to connect my laptop to a router with a wpa psk key but it didn't work. Is kwifimanager supports this? should I enter it in the box of "Crypto Keys" like any other wep key or what?
[07:20] <bkjones> dereks__: can't remember who fluendo is.
[07:20] <mart> munzir: wpa is fun to get working...
[07:21] <dereks__> bkjones: makers of gstreamer
[07:21] <bkjones> oh.
[07:21] <munzir> mart: why?
[07:21] <mart> munzir: you need to get hold of wpa_supplicant at least, and I needed a new wifi card
[07:21] <bkjones> no idea. Don't use gstreamer.
[07:21] <bkjones> rings a bell though. Maybe I saw a headline somewhere.
[07:21] <mart> munzir: then changing the scripts in /etc/pcmcia...
[07:22] <mart> munzir: if you don't mind using wep, it's a lot easier.
[07:22] <mart> munzir: but a bit less secure.
[07:22] <dereks__> bkjones: what do you use?
[07:22] <bkjones> dereks__: for what?
[07:22] <dereks__> bkjones: http://www.fluendo.com/resources/fluendo_mp3.php
[07:22] <dereks__> bkjones: mulitmedia engine
[07:23] <vinboy> gonna do a system wide upgrade tonite
[07:23] <vinboy> and go to sleep
[07:23] <munzir> mart: why kubuntu doesn't do all this, any legal issues?
[07:23] <vinboy> good nite buddies
[07:23] <mart> munzir: nah, it's in development
[07:24] <mart> munzir: but sadly won't be ready for dapper.
[07:24] <bkjones> dereks__: I have no idea if I'm using this in the background, which, IMHO, is a problem.
[07:24] <mart> munzir: at least, that was the status last time I looked.
[07:24] <bkjones> sound under linux is a travesty all around
[07:25] <mart> bkjones: and that's without proprietary stuff still trying to use legacy OSS :(
[07:25] <dereks__> bkjones: most likely xine or gstreamer
[07:26] <bkjones> I don't think prop. software would fix the issues, really.
[07:26] <bkjones> to my knowledge, I don't use gstreamer. I don't use xine either.
[07:26] <bkjones> I use mplayer for any video if I have a choice.
[07:26] <bkjones> I use xmms for audio if I have a choice.
[07:27] <bkjones> I don't always have a choice I guess, but most times I do.
[07:27] <mart> bkjones: no, I mean, it's travesty enough, even without prop. software not being updated.
[07:27] <bkjones> heh.
[07:28] <dereks__> bkjones: yeah you can use xmms and mplayer
[07:28] <bkjones> dereks__: um. Thanks?
[07:28] <bkjones> ;-)
[07:28] <dereks__> bkjones: :)
[07:28] <munzir> mart: Umm! It's good since it would be supported some time in the future. do you know whether windows supports it out of the box? ( I hope not ;) )
[07:28] <dereks__> bkjones: can you use mplayer as a playback enginger of amorak?
[07:28] <bkjones> why?
[07:29] <dereks__> curious?
[07:29] <bkjones> I have no idea. I know nothing about amarok.
[07:29] <mart> munzir: yeah, it did on my housemates windows box, sorry
[07:29] <bkjones> I know mplayer to some degree, and that's probably about it, which is why I use mplayer. It's the only thing I can get to work reliably.
[07:30] <dereks__> bkjones: yeah, its a nice product
[07:30] <dereks__> i tend to use totem-gstreamer, maily because my main ubuntu box is gnome, my secondary one is kde
[07:30] <bkjones> I've seen screenshots of xine and some other stuff, but I can never get these things to act right. I know that's probably retardation on my part, but still.
[07:30] <bkjones> The xine interface to me is disgusting.
[07:31] <dereks__> bkjones: yeah, but you can use other frontends
[07:31] <dereks__> like amorak or totme
[07:31] <dereks__> *totem
[07:31] <bkjones> oh yeah, that's another thing: mplayer isn't gnome or kde. It's just mplayer.
[07:31] <bkjones> dereks__: see how that's way more complicated than need be?
[07:31] <bkjones> I don't really feel like configuring one app to read the codecs, and then another one to be a front end to that one. That sounds like work.
[07:32] <mart> and the xine frontends like kaffeine never seem to work quite right.
[07:32] <dereks__> bkjones: yeah i like mplayer, but i like my integrated desktops more
[07:32] <dereks__> :)
[07:33] <bkjones> I'll stick with mplayer until I have a reason to move. The only thing I integrate the player with is my browser, which is firefox, which plays nice with the mplayer plugin.
[07:33] <dereks__> bkjones: yeah, mplayer is nice. it very much goes by the KiSS theory (keep it simple stupid) and everything just works
[07:34] <bkjones> I like it. I've used others. Video is one of the only parts of linux where I use ONE application ALL the time instead of 5 or 6.
[07:35] <bkjones> I don't care what desktop I use at any given time...
[07:35] <bkjones> mail client...
[07:35] <bkjones> browser...
[07:35] <bkjones> whatever.
[07:35] <dereks__> bkjones: i used to be like that
[07:35] <bkjones> But I've used really nothing but mplayer for video now for years, so I'm probably just stuck in my ways with that.
[07:44] <m5m_> Anyone have an idea about how to troubleshoot a usb-connected mouse on my laptop?  It works fine if I unplug it and then plug it back in, but loses communication with the system after a minute or so of normal use...
[07:45] <munzir> mart: sorry if it's off-topic to ask but is it normal to leave the router always working or should I shut it daily or what?
[07:47] <duality> hi, im getting this error about "debtags" and i cant "sudo apt-get install debtags"
[07:48] <duality> when trying to install nvidia drivers
[07:48] <OdyX> Tm_T: found a REAL bug in your Kopete... (hope it is real...): , message status is not registered from one reboot to another.
[07:49] <Sinik> People leave their pcs always working, and you're worried about a router? :)
[07:49] <Sinik> duality: what kind of error?
[07:49] <duality> Errors were encountered while processing:
[07:49] <duality>  debtags
[07:49] <duality> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1
[07:50] <Sinik> hmm, did you try installing it through adept?
[07:50] <duality> yes
[07:50] <Sinik> and? same problem?
[07:50] <duality> i get the same error
[07:51] <Sinik> I'm not sure what the problem is, maybe someone else can help...
[07:51] <duality> k
[07:51] <Pupeno> I am installing Kubuntu in a notebook where there's a windows installed. Aside the windows partition and free (unpartitioned space) there's a swap partition, I don't know how it got there... are there any chances that win created it ?
[07:52] <duality> swap is used by linux
[07:52] <duality> its like extra RAM
[07:53] <Pupeno> duality: I know what it is... I was just wondering is sudenly windows started using swap in the recent years.
[07:53] <duality> windows has its "swap" as a file on the same partition
[07:54] <Pupeno> no swap partition, right ? like since DOS.
[07:54] <duality> windows has never had a swap partition
[07:56] <duality> your swap partition is for your linux OS
[07:58] <agalavis> duality: do you know if the linux swap partition usable my freebsd?
[07:58] <agalavis> *by
[07:58] <Tm_T> OdyX: what?
[07:59] <OdyX> Tm_T: you know "Status message" (down on the Kopete window)
[07:59] <OdyX> ?
[07:59] <Tm_T> yes
[07:59] <Tm_T> ofcourse it's empty when you restart kopete
[07:59] <OdyX> Tm_T: why "of course" ?
[07:59] <Tm_T> because most protocols doesn't support offline status messages
[07:59] <OdyX> that's not what I would except...
[07:59] <duality> agalavis, i dont know about freebsd and how it works
[07:59] <Tm_T> and it show _current_ message
[08:00] <OdyX> Tm_T: and what about those that support it ?
[08:00] <Tm_T> OdyX: those protocols have it
[08:00] <agalavis> well thanks anyway
[08:00] <OdyX> I mean... If no support => not showing it.
[08:00] <Tm_T> yes
[08:00] <OdyX> Tm_T: but what I would except is a "constant one" => getting the same when I restart Kopete...
[08:00] <OdyX> me being connected or not...
[08:00] <Tm_T> OdyX: even if it's supported, no showing, because offline status message isin the server, not in client
[08:01] <OdyX> Tm_T: but the client has to force it...
[08:01] <Tm_T> OdyX: yes
[08:01] <Tm_T> OdyX: or you might end up to situation that you think you have correct status message when you don't
[08:02] <OdyX> Tm_T: not convinced...
[08:02] <Tm_T> OdyX: and checking offline status message from server would require login, so no point to do that
[08:02] <OdyX> Tm_T: OK for that....
[08:02] <nutshell42> how do I enable the zip kio-slave in konqueror? tia
[08:02] <OdyX> but the status message is property of the user... not of the server...
[08:02] <Tm_T> so, whoosh, no way to keep status message over restart
[08:02] <Tm_T> OdyX: it's property of both
[08:02] <OdyX> isn't it stored locally ?
[08:03] <nutshell42> oh and is the rar kio-slave included in dapper? I assume not, but a man can dream =)
[08:03] <m5m> so anyone have an idea of how to troubleshoot a usb connected mouse if it loses contact with my system periodically?  re-plugging fixes it but is annoying...
[08:03] <OdyX> Tm_T: physically OK, but ethically no...
[08:03] <Tm_T> OdyX: well, discuss more in #kopete ;)
[08:03] <OdyX> Tm_T: OK. You're right. I'm goin0...
[08:06] <rdt> hello, folks.  Anyone have experience with adept?
[08:06] <xwolf-> where should i install firefox (that is, unpack the tarball)
[08:06] <xwolf-> ?
[08:07] <nutshell42> xwolf-: wherever you want, I'd say
[08:07] <duality> xwolf-, you can install it with "sudo apt-get install firefox"
[08:08] <pradeepto> xwolf-: unpack???
[08:08] <pradeepto> duality: thats what I was wondering.
[08:08] <pradeepto> xwolf-: if you are on dapper (atleast) apt-get install will fetch firefox 1.5 for ya
[08:10] <xwolf-> i have the thingie here, but i was thinking of /usr/share... since i can unpack it anywhere i want
[08:10] <xwolf-> i just want to type 'firefox' in the command line to call it ;P
[08:10] <nutshell42> oh, I thought firefox in kubuntu was still the 1.0.x branch?
[08:10] <nutshell42> xwolf-: to do that put a link in /usr/bin :  sudo ln -s /path/to/firefox /usr/bin/firefox
[08:10] <xwolf-> looks like the apt installation gets me an old version O_o
[08:10] <nutshell42> xwolf-: yep, that's what I thought, dapper has 1.5 =)
[08:10] <frank23> xwolf-: yeah. the version in the repositories is 1.0.7   If you want something newer, you need to install yourself
[08:10] <xwolf-> i'm on breezy ;P
[08:10] <frank23> !ff1.5
[08:10] <ubotu> You can use firefox 1.5 by following this wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[08:10] <nutshell42> xwolf-: if in doubt unzip it to /usr/local/firefox or something
[08:10] <xwolf-> but i'll add the link nutshell42 told me
[08:10] <nutshell42> now, that more ppl seem to be present:
[08:10] <xwolf-> ok
[08:10] <nutshell42> how do I get my zip kio-slave back?
[08:11] <nutshell42> ark is a POS
[08:11] <nutshell42> slow, buggy
[08:11] <frank23> xwolf-: Or you can just install in your home direcory somewhere, that's what I did
[08:11] <nutshell42> abbysmal (sp?) drag'n'drop
[08:11] <nutshell42> and for some reason the zip kio-slave in konqueror is deactivated in kubuntu
[08:11] <nutshell42> dapper
[08:11] <nutshell42> and I'd like it back
[08:11] <nutshell42> =/
[08:11] <xwolf-> can i put it in /home/igor/here/i/will/install/my/programs/firefox?
[08:11] <xwolf-> lol
[08:11] <nutshell42> xwolf-: yep
[08:12] <nutshell42> but you'd have to adjust the link then
[08:12] <xwolf-> ok, i'll put in /usr/local anyways.
[08:12] <nutshell42> or simply put firefox in your menu (open the kmenu, right-click, edit menu)
[08:12] <nutshell42> or drag it on the panel
[08:13] <xwolf-> i need write permissions to install it in /usr/local
[08:13] <xwolf-> ...
[08:13] <nutshell42> put sudo in front of the command
[08:13] <nutshell42> "sudo unzip" or whatever
[08:13] <xwolf-> yeah
[08:14] <nutshell42> alternatively sudo konqueror should give you a konqueror-window with root permissions
[08:14] <nutshell42> then you can unzip it graphically
[08:14] <nutshell42> although without the zip kioslave
[08:14] <nutshell42> because that's deactivated
[08:14] <nutshell42> and you seem to be the only person that's actually reading what I'm writing
[08:14] <nutshell42> =P
[08:15] <xwolf-> haha
[08:15] <xwolf-> i know how to proceed
[08:16] <duality> xwolf-, you unzip it with "tar -zxvf filename" then enter that dir and do "./configure" then "make" then "make install"
[08:16] <nutshell42> that's what I thought, I just wanted to hear (see?) me talk, in the vain hope that someone else would appear and save me =)
[08:16] <duality> i think
[08:16] <nutshell42> duality: he means the binary zip for linux
[08:16] <nutshell42> I assume
[08:17] <duality> oh
[08:17] <duality> then its "chmod +x filename" then "./filename"
[08:17] <xwolf-> stop.
[08:17] <nutshell42> didn't zip preserve the flags?
[08:17] <xwolf-> i just wanted suggestions on where to install it and keep a minimum of organization
[08:18] <duality> oh, =S
[08:18] <frank23> xwolf-: if only one user is gonna use it, you can put it in ~/opt/firefox
[08:18] <xwolf-> i already unpacked it to /usr/local
[08:18] <xwolf-> what the hell is opt for?
[08:19] <xwolf-> and isn't it /opt instead of ~/opt?
[08:19] <nutshell42> /opt was the dir
[08:19] <nutshell42> -according to some standard iirc-
[08:19] <frank23> xwolf-: it's usually for packages that like to put everything in one directory instead of dividing between /bin /usr /usr/share/docs etc
[08:20] <nutshell42> where third party apps should be installed
[08:20] <nutshell42> instead of doing what frank23 just said
[08:20] <xwolf-> whatever.
[08:24] <trappist> /opt is for statically compiled apps that can be kept across upgrades and distro switches
[08:25] <xwolf-> what about ln -s
[08:25] <xwolf-> how can i undo or edit it? ;>
[08:26] <xwolf-> think i got it.
[08:32] <bkjones> will konq ever work with gmail? Ugh.
[08:32] <antti> hello
[08:33] <Zerlinna> bkjones: isnt the question rather: will gmail ever work with konq... ? :)
[08:33] <Zerlinna> bkjones: the same as: will blogger ever work with konq :-/
[08:33] <nutshell42> I thought it worked if you set konq to emulate mozilla
[08:34] <bkjones> well, I guess the question for me is "why do these services work with everything *but* konq?"
[08:34] <nutshell42> the identifier
[08:34] <antti> Could someone please help me with my Hauppauge WinTV Nova-T usb2? I'm new to Linux and can't install it.
[08:34] <nutshell42> bkjones: because at least in the case of gmail it checks your browser, sees it's konqueror, then sends it safari code which is broken
[08:35] <nutshell42> although some people I know also had success by setting the identifier to safari
[08:35] <Zerlinna> nutshell42: I read that too but for me it doesnt..
[08:35] <nutshell42> everything but konqueror basically
[08:35] <nutshell42> =P
[08:36] <nutshell42> perhaps it's a kubuntu "feature" just like the kioslave thingy *looks for tinfoil hat
[08:36] <Zerlinna> I tried every identifier and it didnt work at all :(
[08:36] <nutshell42> I don't use gmail
[08:36] <bkjones> seems to work when I change identity
[08:36] <nutshell42> google knows more than enough about me
[08:36] <nutshell42> without reading every single one of my emails
[08:36] <nutshell42> =)
[08:37] <Zerlinna> bkjones: when your writing posts? even setting bold, links etc.=
[08:37] <Zerlinna> ?
[08:37] <bkjones> I don't use html in email. I can try testing blogger. I doubt that would work, but I'll give it a shot.
[08:38] <Zerlinna> nutshell42: I do but for googletalk I have kopete so gmail that's ok.. but the thing with blogger is really annoying..
[08:38] <Zerlinna> bkjones: links etc --> within blogger not gmail
[08:38] <nutshell42> can't you use text-input for blogger?
[08:39] <nutshell42> as long as you only use a few standard-tags <p>,<b>,<a> etc
[08:39] <nutshell42> that shouldn't make too much of a difference
[08:40] <nutshell42> hmm, X becomes dangerously slow
[08:40] <Zerlinna> nutshell42: maybe that would work.. but I like to upload pics too...
[08:40] <nutshell42> I think composite's gonna crash again
[08:40] <pradeepto> hello this stupid, I have all the plugins installed on my dapper box but gstreamer doesnot show up in engines list in amarok
[08:41] <nutshell42> Zerlinna: well the img tags easy to use, the upload could be a problem
[08:41] <Zerlinna> nutshell42: it _IS_ a problem
[08:41] <nutshell42> but you could host on imageshack (their upload form works just fine with konqi)
[08:41] <nutshell42> and they're faster anyway
[08:41] <nutshell42> at least imho
[08:41] <Zerlinna> you think blogger will show it as inline?
[08:41] <nutshell42> good question, I assume it would
[08:42] <nutshell42> try it, if it doesn't you always can go back to firefox =)
[08:42] <Zerlinna> I think I just have to try it out.. though it's annoying because the one thing I like about blogging is that I don't have to care about html...
[08:42] <nutshell42> don't know, I'm used to /.
[08:43] <nutshell42> and I think you can't use anything but text-input there
[08:43] <nutshell42> it depends on how elaborate your blogger posts are
[08:43] <Zerlinna> nutshell42: I actually use firefox but wanted to switch to konqueror completely with dapper
[08:44] <nutshell42> a few tags don't hurt
[08:44] <nutshell42> but if you use lots of pictures
[08:44] <nutshell42> with links
[08:44] <Zerlinna> nutshell42: *g* I think I have to get used to it...
[08:44] <nutshell42> and the blogger interface is faster for that kind of thing (never used it)
[08:44] <nutshell42> then it probably would be simpler to keep using firefox for that
[08:44] <Zerlinna> yeah, it is fast.. just a few clicks ;)
[08:45] <nutshell42> well, with konq you can dnd the picture-link from imageshack into the text input of blogger
[08:45] <pradeepto> why doesn't gstreamer show up in the engine list in amarok?
[08:45] <nutshell42> but otherwise you get used to typing tags, it's actually faster than clicking for them
[08:46] <nutshell42> pradeepto: because you're lucky
[08:46] <nutshell42> sorry
[08:46] <pradeepto> what?
[08:46] <nutshell42> if possible use xine
[08:46] <nutshell42> gstreamer is buggy
[08:46] <nutshell42> otherwise try installing amarok-gstreamer
[08:46] <Zerlinna> nutshell42: I'm pretty sure you're right with that one...;)
[08:46] <pradeepto> it worked pretty nice on my breezy box though.
[08:46] <nutshell42> if that package is not installed that would be the easy solution
[08:47] <pradeepto> I dont mind using xine at all :)
[08:47] <pradeepto> just that I was wondering whatever happened to gstreamer since breezy was doing pretty well with that.
[08:47] <pradeepto> Thanks nutshell42
[08:47] <nutshell42> don't know, I tried gstreamer on breezy, the alsa support was bad, I tried oss, it still used twice the cpu-load of xine and had more skipped
[08:48] <nutshell42> pradeepto: ais, try the amarok-gstreamer pkg
[08:48] <pradeepto> hmmmm
[08:48] <nutshell42> but if xine works for you I'd prefer that
[08:48] <pradeepto> nutshell42: will do that but since you said xine I will try that first.
[08:48] <nutshell42> unless your soundcard doesn't have alsa support
[08:48] <nutshell42> and you need gstreamers soundmixing
[08:48] <pradeepto> Will it play mp3?
[08:48] <nutshell42> pradeepto: good question, here it doesn
[08:48] <nutshell42> *does
[08:49] <nutshell42> but I'm not sure whether I use the official repository
[08:49] <pradeepto> I mean after I install the bad/ugly stuff.
[08:49] <nutshell42> if it doesn't come back and I'll look for a link
[08:49] <pradeepto> you mean the restrictedformats link.
[08:49] <nutshell42> most likely
[08:49] <nutshell42> ais, I'm not quite sure where my xine's from
[08:50] <pradeepto> That I know, I came back I followed the instructions there. I was just confused about the engine part.
[08:51] <nutshell42> brb, restarting X
[08:56] <slow-motion> hallo
[09:00] <lwelyn> re slow-motion
[09:01] <slow-motion> hi lwelyn
[09:04] <xwolf-> !mp3
[09:04] <Glin|Jol> Winamp  5.20 Stopped
[09:04] <ubotu> somebody said mp3 was a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[09:05] <xwolf-> how do i prevent firefox's mini-icon from appearing? (next to kwallet's)
[09:06] <xwolf-> !video
[09:06] <ubotu> xwolf-: parse error: Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[09:06] <xwolf-> !avi
[09:06] <ubotu> somebody said avi was Video for Windows. For more info http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[09:07] <nutshell42> xwolf-: troubles playing an avi?
[09:07] <xwolf-> nutshell42 just formatted and reinstalled kub
[09:07] <xwolf-> now everything from scratch.
[09:08] <rohan> hi all
[09:08] <rohan> can some one please confirm this bug for me ? http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124807
[09:11] <rohan> and can kubuntu solve this bug, or feature or whatever ?
[09:14] <xwolf-> how do i prevent firefox's mini-icon from appearing? (next to kwallet's)
[09:14] <frank23> rohan: if the bug is in kde, kde developpers will have to deal with it. If I understand correctly it's the order in which alt-tab selects windows that has changed?
[09:15] <rohan> frank23: yes.
[09:15] <rohan> urgent windows must be on top of the list
[09:15] <rohan> and minimized on bottom
[09:15] <rohan> but ubuntu can fix it
[09:15] <rohan> one big + for using kubuntu
[09:15] <rohan> :D
[09:15] <rohan> i am ready to downgrade to kde 351 for that bug
[09:16] <sredna> Hi
[09:16] <sredna> What is the package to install java (sun java preferably)?
[09:16] <rohan> sredna: download the bin, NOT RPM,
[09:16] <rohan> apt-get install java-package
[09:16] <rohan> make-jpkg foo.bin
[09:17] <frank23> rohan: I don't find it's that bad a bug... oh well.
[09:17] <rohan> frank23: u an ready to downgrade for it :)
[09:20] <Kyral> yo all
[09:21] <n3storm> hi
[09:23] <sredna> Are there any reason for not just installing the java bin archieve?
[09:24] <rohan> yes
[09:24] <rohan> since you cant remove it, sredna
[09:24] <sredna> rm -rf <dir> usually does that, since they politely sticks everything in one directory
[09:25] <sredna> But it is an argument
[09:25] <rohan> yes
[09:25] <rohan> making pkgs is "the debian way"
[09:25] <Zerlinna> nutshell42: all important tags are working for blogger, even inline img :)
[09:28] <swoop> hello
[09:29] <swoop> i've downloaded kubuntu through apt-get, but i can't access it
[09:31] <sredna> Hm, running sudo just aborts, while running as me produces warnings :\
[09:32] <rohan> sredna: dont use sudo
[09:32] <rohan> use fakeroot
[09:32] <sredna> What it that?
[09:32] <rohan> "fakeroot make-jpkg foo.bin"
[09:33] <sredna> I learn everyday...
[09:46] <Stupid_Kid> Hello... I am looking into using Kubuntu, but I would appreciate a link to some screenshots.  Can anybody give me a link?
[09:46] <Stupid_Kid> I am brand new to linux, but did not like the Ubuntu GUI.
[09:50] <sredna> It doesn't work :(((((((((((8
[09:50] <sredna> Jav in firefox is broken now
[09:51] <nutshell42> Stupid_Kid: http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=594&slide=3&title=kubuntu+6.04+flight+5+screenshots
[09:51] <nutshell42> yes, you can reduce the icon size in the file manager...
[09:51] <nutshell42> =)
[09:52] <sredna> Major problem
[09:52] <sredna> I can't use kubuntu if I can't use my bank
[09:52] <bkjones> never saw a bank that required java. 'cept etrade, but that's only to use their crazy tracker thing.
[09:52] <sredna> Or wait, does ubuntu install some odd non-working java on its own?
[09:53] <bkjones> YES.
[09:53] <bkjones> java version "1.4.2"
[09:53] <bkjones> gij (GNU libgcj) version 4.1.0 (Ubuntu 4.1.0-1ubuntu6)
[09:53] <bkjones> Copyright (C) 2006 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
[09:53] <bkjones> This is free software; see the source for copying conditions.  There is NO
[09:53] <bkjones> warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
[09:53] <bkjones> I have yet to have this be really useful for anything.
[09:54] <nutshell42> sun-j2re1.5
[09:54] <nutshell42> that's the package that contains my jre
[09:54] <nutshell42> if sun's java doesn't work you could also try ibm
[09:54] <sredna> I need to remove the non-working java then
[09:54] <sredna> Sun java usually works fine
[09:55] <sredna> The one firefox is using atm is broken
[09:55] <bkjones> you don't need to remove it.
[09:55] <sredna> What then?
[09:55] <bkjones> just install sun's java and set your path's accordingly.
[09:55] <sredna> Firefox is a POS, it has no way to set which plugin to use
[09:55] <bkjones> amen, brother.
[09:56] <nutshell42> isn't there something in about:config
[09:56] <bkjones> no.
[09:56] <nutshell42> stupid
[09:56] <bkjones> that's a listing, not an editable thing
[09:56] <bkjones> yeah.
[09:56] <sredna> How can I find out where ubuntu put mt sun java?
[09:56] <dipnlik__> hi all. i have 2 ntfs partitions here and i'm planning to install kubuntu. problem is, i cant backup everything now
[09:56] <nutshell42> we don't want to confuse our users with abilities like that
[09:57] <bkjones> sredna: "ubuntu" doesn't put it anywhere. What did you use to download it?
[09:57] <bkjones> dipnlik__: if you can't back up, don't install.
[09:57] <nutshell42> sredna: dpkg -L <pkgname>
[09:57] <sredna> This is a PITA
[09:57] <nutshell42> bkjones: depends, I got my sun jre with apt-get
[09:58] <nutshell42> but I'm not sure from which repository
[09:58] <bkjones> sredna: are you new from windows?
[09:58] <dipnlik__> bkjones: was wondering about install everything in partition 1 (8GB), then burn everything in partition 2 from kubuntu, then move /home from partition 1 to partition 2
[09:58] <sredna> bkjones: I did not use windows in this century
[09:58] <sredna> But I hate java, I ONLY have it because it's required by my web banking system
[09:58] <bkjones> sredna: sorry. You just seem really surprised by things that have pretty much always sucked.
[09:59] <nutshell42> dipnlik__: I don't see why that shouldn't work =)
[09:59] <Danny> can Kubuntu wireless cards work with WPA security?
[09:59] <sredna> bkjones: I'm new to debian, so I can't remember or does not know how to do things like list the content of a package
[09:59] <bkjones> dipnlik__: my only advice is if you can't back stuff up, and you have important stuff on those partitions, I wouldn't do anything drastic until you get backed up.
[09:59] <nutshell42> sredna: dpkg -L
[10:00] <dipnlik__> nutshell42: dont know how to do the last part (move /home to the new partition)
[10:00] <dipnlik__> bkjones: totally agreed. not anything important, mostly mediafiles
[10:00] <nutshell42> dipnlik__: back up partition 2
[10:00] <nutshell42> format
[10:01] <bkjones> moving home to new partition is simple stuff once you get stuff installed and running.
[10:01] <nutshell42> mount as /mnt/tmp; move /home to /mnt/tmp
[10:01] <sredna> ARGH
[10:01] <bkjones> but you'll likely want to format that partition to *not* be ntfs at that time.
[10:01] <sredna> This does not work
[10:01] <nutshell42> the stuff in home to be precise
[10:01] <nutshell42> and then put partition 1 in /etc/fstab as /home
[10:01] <bkjones> sredna: things don't always "Just Work(tm)". Relax and tell us the problem you're trying to solve.
[10:02] <sredna> Adept works
[10:02] <apokryphos> sredna: what's the problem?
[10:02] <Danny> can Kubuntu wireless cards work with WPA security?
[10:02] <bkjones> I agree, though, that it's idiotic to include a dopified java vm. It causes way more problems than it solves.
[10:02] <sredna> apokryphos: Firefox uses some non-working java clone
[10:02] <mornfall> hmm? :)
[10:02] <sredna> apokryphos: Instead of the sun java I installed
[10:02] <bkjones> Danny: kubuntu doesn't make wireless cards.
[10:03] <sredna> Where does firefox take its' java from?
[10:03] <nutshell42> sredna: /etc/alternatives/java
[10:03] <nutshell42> ?
[10:03] <apokryphos> sredna: alter /etc/alternatives, or remove the old/crappy java
[10:03] <sredna> Is there something like java-config in ubuntu?
[10:03] <Danny> I mean
[10:03] <Danny> support
[10:03] <bkjones> sredna: that's configured the same on every linux distro for the past 5 years.
[10:03] <bkjones> java-config?
[10:03] <bkjones> what's that? Mandrake?
[10:03] <apokryphos> sudo update-alternatives --config java
[10:04] <Danny> I have a dwl-g630 and I was wondering if Kubuntu could support it, and wpa security
[10:04] <apokryphos> sredna: ^ that =)
[10:04] <Danny> cause it only asks for the WEP key
[10:05] <bkjones> Danny: wpa is supported by the underlying wireless infrastructure, so it should be able to be made to work. Can you get the card working without wpa?
[10:05] <sredna> apokryphos: Thank you
[10:05] <Danny> Don't know..my wireless is wpa, so I can reboot and try
[10:05] <bkjones> Danny: just trying to figure out if your card is supported by a native driver, or if you need ndiswrapper and your windows driver.
[10:06] <bkjones> Once you figure that out, you can move on from there.
[10:06] <Danny> I think it is supported..not sure
[10:06] <Danny> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=125717
[10:06] <Danny> In that thread it says it is
[10:07] <Danny> not sure if they are different drivers for ubuntu and kubuntu
[10:07] <sredna> It does not work
[10:08] <apokryphos> sredna: did it say that it changed successfully? You'd need to restart ff
[10:08] <sredna> Ff crashed
[10:08] <apokryphos> if that doesn't work, I really recommend just removing blackdown (or whatever it was) java
[10:08] <apokryphos> sredna: also, are you using the sun java from as-instructed on /msg ubotu java  ?
[10:08] <bkjones> Danny: Nice! Looks like it works without much work involved!
[10:09] <Danny> ok :)
[10:09] <Danny> so when I reboot, should it show up in the network config?
[10:09] <sredna> apokryphos: I have no such message
[10:10] <apokryphos> sredna: ...just silence? That's fine.
[10:10] <sredna> How do I get the package listing back in adept, after listing details?
[10:10] <sredna> There is no obvious way
[10:11] <mornfall> sredna: Show List?
[10:11] <apokryphos> sredna: blackdown java is j2re1.4 IIRC
[10:11] <apokryphos> !info j2re1.4
[10:11] <ubotu> j2re1.4: (Blackdown Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition), section multiverse/devel, is optional. Version: 1.4.2.02-1ubuntu3 (breezy), Packaged size: 21982 kB, Installed size: 58892 kB
[10:12] <apokryphos> yup
[10:12] <sredna> I have something named gij
[10:12] <Danny> my real question is...can I connect to WPA networks?
[10:12] <sredna> I remove it
[10:12] <Danny> because it only asks for my WEP key
[10:13] <noteventime> Danny, yes
[10:13] <apokryphos> sredna: yeah, that's also non-sun interpreter
[10:13] <noteventime> Danny, Are you on dapper?
[10:13] <Danny> ok thanks
[10:13] <Danny> no
[10:13] <noteventime> !wpa
[10:13] <ubotu> methinks wpa is enable the universe repository, then "sudo apt-get update", and then "sudo apt-get install wpasupplicant".  See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WPAHowto for more details
[10:13] <noteventime> wpa supplicant
[10:13] <noteventime> try installing kde-network-manager
[10:13] <bkjones> oh yeah
[10:14] <noteventime> I have to go
[10:14] <Danny> ok thanks :)
[10:14] <dozer_> hi - just installed kubuntu on my new PC
[10:14] <dozer_> after I installed the nvidia drivers, it seemed to run fine
[10:15] <dozer_> except the kubuntu login screen is sort of screwed up
[10:15] <sredna> I think I need something else
[10:15] <sredna> I hate java
[10:16] <apokryphos> sredna: need something else for what?
[10:16] <dozer_> I've got one of those dell 30" pannels and on the login screen, the background is painted correctly for a 1600x1200 block
[10:16] <nemesis_uk> hi can anyone tell me the best way to get a 2.6.15 kernel?
[10:16] <dozer_> but the rest is drawn like corrupted video memory
[10:16] <apokryphos> sredna: /msg ubotu java  to get/install a perfectly well-running java which includes the plugin for ff
[10:16] <Danny> also, how do I know if my printer will work with kubuntu?
[10:17] <dyrne__> Danny what printer?
[10:17] <sredna> apokryphos: When using my webbank, when I get to the place where I enter my password in order to do a transaction, the entry can't take keyboard focus. So it's broken
[10:17] <apokryphos> sredna: have you tried with another browser, perhaps?
[10:17] <Danny> an epson stylus cx4800
[10:18] <sredna> apokryphos: No other browser in linux supports secure java
[10:18] <sredna> (except if opera does, but I dont want opera)
[10:18] <apokryphos> hm, dang.
[10:18] <sredna> In that matter, the konqueror developers are sick
[10:18] <sredna> They REFUSE to have that
[10:18] <apokryphos> why?
[10:19] <sredna> I love konqui
[10:20] <sredna> I have firefox installed for that one site, my bank
[10:20] <sredna> I have files at least 5 bugs regarding that issue
[10:20] <sredna> And the deliberately refuse
[10:20] <apokryphos> that's a real shame
[10:21] <apokryphos> why would you not want opera, then? ;-)
[10:21] <bkjones> it sucks that you even have to think about this.
[10:21] <sredna> Like kdepim developers refuse having labels with phone numbers, and kmail developers refuses that images are a valuable addition to HTML email, and like I personally refuse to have a tabbar in kate
[10:22] <apokryphos> sredna: but you (or someone else) has given us a nice plugin for the option :)
[10:22] <apokryphos> images work fine in emails for me though; what do you mean about the kmail example?
[10:22] <sredna> Someone else, but hey, I didn't delete it }:p
[10:22] <OdyX> Riddell: I'm looking for amarok-gstreamer ... I cannot find it.. And there's a confusion in gstreamer's version, no ?
[10:23] <apokryphos> tabs are ok, but it gets way to unpractical when you have *many* documents open. Still not as tidy
[10:23] <apokryphos> OdyX: are you asking regarding a beta version?
[10:23] <sredna> I mean that being a coach for kids in local sports clubs, I'd sometimes like to send out a HTML email with graphics (a header, a background), but kmail composer can't do that, and I have been told that wishing that makes me an idiot
[10:24] <apokryphos> :/
[10:24] <dipnlik__> sredna: send an attached html?
[10:24] <apokryphos> are you sure there wasn't some misunderstanding?
[10:24] <Riddell> OdyX: amarok-gstreamer doesn't exist any more
[10:24] <OdyX> Riddell: why ?
[10:25] <OdyX> Riddell: upstream too ? I mean, the decision is (K)Ubuntu's or amarok's ?
[10:25] <Riddell> OdyX: amarok only has gstreamer 0.8 support, but 0.8 is obsolete
[10:25] <Riddell> decision is kubuntus
[10:25] <OdyX> Riddell: I see that... and what about 0.10 ?
[10:25] <sredna> Well, if firefox is using the sun plugin (which it claims) something is wrong. Or do I need to restart my session?)
[10:25] <frank23> Riddell: dapper kubuntu will use xine as default for kaffeine and amarok, right?
[10:26] <Riddell> frank23: yes
[10:26] <apokryphos> sredna: firefox session? Yup. Not anything else though.
[10:26] <dipnlik__> sredna: what kind of labels do you want in kdepim ?
[10:26] <OdyX> Riddell: we have a lot of gstreamer .10 in the repos... but nothing for including with kaffeine or amarok...
[10:26] <sredna> The java I have shows a blinking star while loading, is that correct?
[10:26] <OdyX> it's not only "default", it's more "there's nothing else" (without talkin' about crappy arts)
[10:26] <frank23> Riddell: that should resolve alot of the multimedia problems for kubuntu. I still wonder why breezy kubuntu used gstreamer. hoary used xine as well
[10:26] <Riddell> OdyX: yes
[10:27] <apokryphos> I presume so; but my problems with java in the past are frequest =)
[10:27] <sredna> dipnlik__: I mean that if I have a contact with 10 home phone numbers or 10 email addresses, I need to label them to be able to know which is which, and they refuse to implement that, meaning again that kaddressbook is useless in many cases
[10:27] <Riddell> frank23: because gstreamer is nicer technically so we want to support it, also at the time there was no shippable xine package but xine in main now has all the patented codecs removed
[10:28] <declano> hi all.  Can someone help with partitions and installing?
[10:29] <sredna> Now how the hell did that happen -- if I install firefox, does it become the default browser?????
[10:29] <dipnlik__> sredna: i didn't use kdepim extensively. you mean in kaddressbook you can't say a telephone is from home or from work?
[10:29] <frank23> Riddell: well, even if choosing xine for dapper was because gstreamer was not available, I'm still glad the result is xine ;) will network-manager make it into the default installation?
[10:29] <sredna> dipnlik__: They have hardcoded labels
[10:29] <apokryphos> sredna: nope; for kde default is set in kcontrol -- installing shouldn't alter it.
[10:29] <sredna> dipnlik__: But that is not enough.
[10:30] <sredna> apokryphos: So how come I just clicked a link in ksirc, and it started ff instead of konqui?
[10:30] <dipnlik__> sredna: ah, ok. really weird
[10:30] <Riddell> frank23: network manager should go on live when it passes main review, same as for ubuntu
[10:30] <apokryphos> sredna: only thing I can presume is a setting from ksirc itself
[10:31] <dipnlik__> sredna: maybe they are waiting for evolution to have this? :P
[10:31] <frank23> Riddell: ok. so it will be in main but not installed by default?
[10:31] <sredna> dipnlik__: Again, my kids - some have a home phone with mom and one with dad, and to distinguish, I must put the label in the number data - there is no way to do it 'right'
[10:31] <sredna> apokryphos: I have used ksirc since 2001, and this is the first time clickin a http link didn't activate kfmclient
[10:32] <dipnlik__> sredna: well, i am used to it this way. not that i think it is really the best option, but hey, everything has some workarounds...
[10:32] <apokryphos> sredna: kfmclient could still send out ff, though, right?
[10:32] <sredna> apokryphos: Uhm, if the default browser changed
[10:32] <sredna> I didn't change it though
[10:32] <apokryphos> as the setting is controlled from kcontrol/systemsettings -- it's worth double-checking
[10:32] <sredna> I know where it's set
[10:33] <sredna> But if the package chanted it, I need another distro
[10:33] <apokryphos> :)
[10:33] <sredna> Installing some software does not mean I want it as default!!!!!
[10:33] <apokryphos> of course
[10:33] <apokryphos> sredna: firefox is not even kubuntu's browser
[10:34] <apokryphos> it'll just be a bug, if that is the true behaviour that you're experiencing
[10:34] <Riddell> frank23: yes (at least that's how it is for ubuntu, and I'll just follow whatever they do)
[10:34] <sredna> Hm
[10:34] <sredna> It's a bit frustrating that there seems to be no really convincing message anywhere about what java system is actually used
[10:35] <sredna> _:(
[10:35] <apokryphos> sredna: ls -lh /etc/alternatives/java ?
[10:35] <frank23> sredna: java -version
[10:35] <sredna> apokryphos: Why would I trust that?
[10:36] <apokryphos> sredna: because that's what /usr/bin/java should direct to
[10:36] <apokryphos> which is what firefox uses
[10:37] <sredna> Hm, getting an older version of sun java requires registration :o
[10:37] <apokryphos> sredna: what version do you have running there? dpkg -l|grep sun-j2re
[10:37] <sredna> Hm, that is the correct one
[10:37] <dipnlik__> can amaroK auto-organize media files like itunes or mediamonkey do on windows?
[10:37] <sredna> Sigh
[10:37] <apokryphos> dipnlik__: auto-organise into what?
[10:38] <apokryphos> dipnlik__: by their meta-tags? Of course.
[10:39] <frank23> Riddell: I wanted to test kubuntu Flight 6. In system settings, when I selected configure interface, system settings crashed. I also had problems with kdesu. It worked the first few times but after kdesu didn't work at all
[10:39] <dipnlik__> apokryphos: customized way? (itunes is hardcoded into <artist>/<album>/<track number> <title>)
[10:39] <dipnlik__> apokryphos: monkey is better, even has if else conditions ^^
[10:39] <sredna> Something changed not the default browser setting, but the file association for text/html, so the kubuntu firefox package is BROKEN
[10:39] <apokryphos> dipnlik__: that's default amarok, too.
[10:40] <frank23> Riddell: I think I ran into this bug https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-meta/+bug/35581
[10:40] <apokryphos> sredna: please make a bug report, then :)
[10:40] <apokryphos> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs
[10:40] <apokryphos> sredna: are you on dapper?
[10:40] <dipnlik__> apokryphos: ok, thanks. now i'm doing a list of things i do on windows to see if i'm able to go kubuntu without losing anything :)
[10:40] <sredna> apokryphos: Yes
[10:40] <apokryphos> you should be expecting bugs, then.
[10:41] <sredna> apokryphos: Does that allow to have so silly a bug?
[10:41] <apokryphos> sure; dapper is broken until its release date.
[10:41] <frank23> sredna: it's not released, what do you expect? the whole point of the preview releases is to fix bugs
[10:42] <sredna> Why does the fact that its a newer version allow to do stupid regressions?
[10:42] <sredna> But I'll report it
[10:43] <apokryphos> sredna: you misunderstand -- it's not that it's a newer version. It's that it's the *development* version.
[10:43] <_harm> i have really low FPS when i play games :S any ideas how i can fix this?
[10:44] <sredna> Mumble
[10:44] <apokryphos> :)
[10:44] <sredna> I dont want to register accounts right now :(
[10:44] <frank23> _harm: do you have 3d accelration working? try glxinfo | grep direct     do you get direct rendering: yes?
[10:44] <apokryphos> sredna: but I know what you mean
[10:44] <apokryphos> sredna: it's real quick :P
[10:45] <sredna> I think I need to remove any java related package except sun jre
[10:46] <declano> anyone able to help with partitioning during installation??
[10:46] <frank23> declano: what do you want help with?
[10:47] <declano> I want to install kubuntu breezy on a machine with dapper.
[10:47] <declano> when i try to use the main partition the install freezes
[10:47] <declano> it wont partition the drive
[10:47] <sredna> It does not work
[10:48] <frank23> declano: the installer freezes?
[10:48] <declano> yeah
[10:48] <frank23> declano: that obviously should not happen. maybe someone in #ubuntu+1 ca help
[10:49] <declano> it says please wait while it partitions the drive but doesnt move on. says 0% for ages #
[10:49] <frank23> declano: or try to do the partitioning with something else
[10:49] <dyrne__> declano can you just use cfdisk to partition the drive before hand?
[10:49] <declano> can i use that using kubuntu live cd? Thats what i am on now
[10:50] <_harm> frank23 sec
[10:50] <dyrne__> declano yes sudo cfdisk /dev/hdb for example
[10:50] <frank23> declano: i don't remember. try running qtparted
[10:50] <declano> bit of a story, but basically i updated to dapper and xorg didnt install. so I reckon if i install breezy separately, copy my files and then delete the dapper partition that could work
[10:51] <declano> thanks dyrne and frank23! I appreciate the help!!
[10:51] <declano> I'll have a go
[10:55] <_harm> frank23 i crashed :P sorry
[10:55] <_harm> frank23 when i entered ur cmd- direct rendering: Yes
[10:55] <frank23> _harm: so 3d acceleration should be working then...
[10:55] <_harm> yes
[10:56] <frank23> _harm: then what is the problem
[10:56] <_harm> frank23 but when i play CS via Wine it just sometimes freezes for a couple of seconds
[10:56] <_harm> or well like 10
[10:56] <declano> Hi again. Sorry How do i create a partition on which to install using cfdisk
[10:56] <declano> ?
[10:56] <frank23> _harm: then it works again? most likely a problem with wine
[10:57] <_harm> frank23 ok well ill run cs via wine again and ill see if it works.. does it have anything to do with ATI drivers?
[10:58] <frank23> _harm: I don't know. wine is far from perfect. maybe check the transgaming forums to see if cedega users have similar problems
[10:59] <Danny> how do I do this without an internet connection?
[10:59] <Danny>   sudo apt-get install wpasupplicant
[10:59] <sredna> I bet the danish banking organizaion is not the most bleeding edge place in the world
[11:00] <frank23> Danny: transfer the .deb (and its dependancies if any) some other way.  then install using  sudo dpkg -i file.deb
[11:00] <Danny> where should I place file.deb?
[11:00] <frank23> Danny: anywhere. your home directory it doesnt matter
[11:00] <declano> Hi, anyone able to help with cfdisk?
[11:01] <Danny> where is the download link?
[11:01] <frank23> Danny: I think you can download .deb files at packages.ubuntu.com
[11:01] <Danny> thanks :)
[11:02] <frank23> Danny: AFAIK wpa is not that easy to configure though.
[11:03] <Danny> but I need to config it though :(
[11:04] <Danny> then how do I config it?
[11:04] <Danny> via the directions from that link?
[11:04] <frank23> Danny: check the wiki and forums I guess
[11:05] <Danny> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WPAHowto?highlight=%28wpa%29
[11:06] <frank23> Danny: I think so yeah. It will probably be easier in dapper. not sure about it though
[11:07] <Danny> ok thanks :)
[11:08] <Danny> brb in a bit :D
[11:08] <declano> Anyone able to help with using cfdisk on live cd to make a partition for kubuntu?
[11:10] <sredna> Make-japkg refuses blackdown j2re-1.4.2
[11:10] <sredna> :\
[11:11] <dyrne__> declano what problem were you having in  cfdisk?
[11:12] <declano> not a problem; a lack of expertise. I'm a beginner. How do I make a partition without losing my data?
[11:12] <declano> thanks for helping
[11:12] <sredna> Oh, there is an actual package with somtthing like that
[11:13] <frank23> sredna: you can get blackdown java from the ubuntu repositories
[11:13] <dyrne__> you dont have any freespace on drive? you want to make 2 partiitons form one?
[11:15] <declano> yeah. I have a current install of kubuntu dapper. I want to divide that partition, leavng the data, so I can install breezy. Its so i can then copy files over and then lose breezy: it didnt install properly!
[11:15] <declano> thanks dyrne
[11:17] <_alex> hello does anyone know what I have to type in the konsole to update kde?
[11:18] <dyrne__> declano cfdisk is basically only useful for created partition from available freespace
[11:18] <dyrne__> declano for what you are trying to do maybe gparted. take a look at http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=105255
[11:18] <My8os> _alex: http://zerlinna.blogspot.com/2006/03/update-kde-352.html
[11:18] <dyrne__> declano or qparted
[11:19] <declano> ah thanks. So it is possible?
[11:19] <dyrne__> declano yes
[11:19] <dyrne__> declano fairly common but ive never doneit
[11:20] <declano> thanks I appreciate it!
[11:21] <declano> have a good evening!
[11:21] <declano> bye
[11:21] <sredna> HA, the danish bankers applet works with blackdown java
[11:21] <sredna> [*]  webbank
[11:24] <_alex> My8os: thank you very much
[11:30] <Gordo> s
[11:40] <_alex> hello I have a realteck sound card, but I cant make it work does anyone know what could be the problem?
[11:41] <Danny> I'm back :D
[11:41] <Danny> what is the psk?
[11:59] <KDEfanboy> what is the package listing for kubuntu
[11:59] <KDEfanboy> live cd