[12:02] ok, that should be doable, maybe Tuesday rather than tomorrow though (Monday night is often karate training night for me) [12:03] s/by/buy/ [12:03] right, bedtime, thanks in advance === Aegir [n=richard@d58-105-36-34.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:03] Kamion: thank you === G0SUB [n=ghoseb@ubuntu/member/g0sub] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bmonty [n=bmontgom@ubuntu/member/bmonty] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Pygi [n=mario@83-131-253-116.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Pygi [n=mario@83-131-253-116.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] === Huahua [n=hua_@222.50.182.64] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kmon [n=javier@217.Red-80-25-51.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === SEJeff [n=alicia@12-211-125-247.client.insightbb.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kmon [n=javier@217.Red-80-25-51.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [12:38] What's a good way to see what packages depend or recommend another package? [12:40] apt-cache depends and apt-cache rdepends [12:40] thanks Lu [12:40] Lure [12:40] sorry rdepends is reverse depends and you are asking for recomment [12:40] s/recomment/recommend/ - time for bed ;-) [12:42] Good night === truz24 [n=truz24@12-203-70-118.client.insightBB.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:58] Kamion: do you want espresso test reports to u-d@, by private mail, or in malone? === kent [n=kent@kr-lun-89-144-233-83.3.cust.bredband2.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-55-122.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bmontgom_ [n=bmontgom@wsip-68-15-230-31.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bmontgom_ is now known as bmonty_ === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.212.131] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mae [n=mae@Host-0013d3cbf632.dhcp.csub.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:59] infinity: ping? [01:59] Does Debian want to know about .desktop files? [02:00] they should ;-) [02:02] Debian doesn't even know about guis ;) [02:03] hehe [02:04] btw, we can have an official count of our "upgrade-a-holics" by measuring the decrease in use after sarge and then the increase after the next release ;) [02:04] (or we could if we actually had a way to measure general usage to begin with, security updates perhaps? ;) === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === joelbryan [n=joelbrya@210.213.157.241] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === hile [i=hile@hack.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _human_blip_ [n=mike@mike.nelsonbay.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hile [i=hile@hack.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bpuccio [n=brian@ool-457afde7.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=nico@p508D80E3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === didymo [n=ashley@CPE-61-9-197-223.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.36] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:08] Ahh, daylight savings time, thou hast bested and confused me once again. [03:08] bddebian: pong. [03:09] heh === ajmitch [n=ajmitch@port171-235.ubs.maxnet.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:11] infinity: WTF happened to lamonts buildlogs? Ugh. Anyway, can you tell if xfonts-marumoji showed up in NEW? Or is there somewhere I can look in LaunchPud? I didn't get an accept or reject from katie === mat [n=mat@igoan/mat] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:12] http://nerdvana.org.au/steve/gallery/displayimage.php?album=7&pos=2 [03:13] bddebian: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/PACKAGENAME [03:14] bddebian: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/PACKAGENAME/+builds is a better URL to start at === mdke [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:15] Actually, that's a pretty shit URL to start at, since this package hasn't been uploaded for eons. [03:15] (Only the data since the switch to launchpad is even close to accurate and useful) === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@201.22.40.137.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === infinity scratches his head. [03:22] Oh, duh. [03:22] bddebian: xfonts-marumoji (0.2-6ubuntu1) unstable; urgency=low [03:23] bddebian: What's wrong with this picture? ^^^^^^^^ [03:23] fuck [03:23] Why didn't I get a rejected? [03:23] And yes, soyuz isn't (currently) producing reject mails on incorrect distribution. [03:24] Bug. It's failing the uploads instead of rejecting them. [03:24] (known bug, at that) [03:25] Well I've been "out of the loop" for a while :-( [03:25] irc -- the ultimate fixed-width medium [03:27] rock [03:27] networkmanager worked with WPA PSK [03:27] now to try with WPA Enterprise tomorrow morning [03:28] infinity: Dumb question. Can I re-upload with ubuntu1 version? [03:31] bddebian: Yes, failed and rejected uploads have never made it far enough into the queue to be tracked/counted. [03:31] Great, thx [03:35] nm hates me. [03:36] That's OK, everyone hates me :-) === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.4.136.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === `anthony [n=anthony@ekorp-203-63-137-225.eoff.ekorp.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:43] sladen: BTW, thanks but those links don't show me shit about a failed/rejected upload :-) [03:52] <`anthony> I was going to try out a livecd on a bunch of random Dell laptops here at work. Should I use Flight 6, or a daily snapshot? [03:53] `anthony: There won't be much difference between Flight-6 and a daily anyway, given that we just released Flight-6... === sabdfl [n=mark@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:56] <`anthony> infinity: ok dokey. [03:57] <`anthony> should I log a report somewhere with the results once I'm done? There's about 6 different models of dell laptop I can get my hands on easily... [03:58] `anthony: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTesting may be of interest. [04:00] <`anthony> Yep. Although that wants people to install Dapper - if I drop a pre-release of Dapper over the installed XP on the salesfolks' laptops, they're going to be molto cranky :) [04:00] <`anthony> livecd testing isn't _as_ good, but it's better than nothing. [04:01] anyone willing to test nwu before I go nuts and announce it on -server and -devel lists? [04:02] nictuku: If you want testers, you might try asking when Europe isn't all asleep. :) [04:03] infinity, I count on the Americas and Asia :-D [04:05] Fuck, I did it again with apt-listbugs [04:06] bddebian: make a uch script in your ~/bin that does The Right Thing :) [04:07] jdub: They aren't my changelog entries and I keep forgetting to check that.. :-( [04:07] I worry about the version and ignore the distro.. === holycow [n=a@mail.wjsgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:18] ogra: Do you have any urge to make ltsp-* installable on hppa and ia64? === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman is now known as GmanAFK === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-209-217-124-167.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:26] nictuku: What did you need tested? [04:27] package installation and check that there are no show stoppers [04:28] Sorry, for which package? [04:29] nwu-agent (depends on python-sysinfo) and nwu-server. None of them are in official reps [04:29] I'm creating a repository right now [04:29] Ah, OK [04:30] nwu description is in https://dev.ubuntubrasil.org/trac/nwu/wiki [04:38] ogra: Nevermind, I'll do it when I have some hppa hardware locally to play with. === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B04FE.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:49] good morning [04:52] is the debtags postinst problem a known issue? [04:53] I'm wondering if I should LP it [04:53] Goddamnit, why is bittornado bug assigned to MOTUs when it's a main package? [04:53] malone bug 37794 [04:53] Malone bug 37794 in debtags "Installing debtags results in a ConsistencyCheckException" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/37794 [04:53] simply searching in malone does help :-p [04:58] dholbach: thanks, sorry for my laziness [04:58] don't worry [04:59] stll awake eh dholbach? [04:59] or early riser [04:59] no... couldn't sleep anymore [04:59] Had to walk the dog at 4am? :) [04:59] dholbach is not looking forward to having to fix dpkg [05:00] infinity: no... the dog is sleeping... narf! [05:00] desrt: hu? dpkg? what? fixing? [05:00] dholbach; to make it touch all the parent directories when installing files into subdirectories [05:00] ahem. [05:00] desrt: Err, what? [05:00] desrt: Why on earth would you want that? === lakin [n=lakin@S01060013101832ce.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:02] infinity; once upon a time there was a spec.... [05:02] 99 specs on the wall, 99 specs on the wall, and the little one says 'move over' [05:03] desrt: A spec about changing every directory each time an inode is touched? This seems... Not sane. [05:03] infinity; basically, the gtk icon theme cache doesn't realise that its out of date unless the parent directory of the cache is touched when you install icons anywhere into the entire tree [05:03] infinity; so the spec says that you have to touch the parent dir whenever installing icons [05:04] *it's [05:04] desrt: Which is a pretty specific bug/feature of that one application, not a misfeature of dpkg (or, dare I say, UNIX) [05:04] desrt: So, either fix the app to recognize icon changes, or fix the packages that install icons to touch the magic directory in postinst. [05:04] desrt: Changing dpkg here is just plain wrong. [05:04] infinity; it's a specific bug/feature that a few hundred apps in ubuntu share [05:05] infinity; plus. i was kidding about changing dpkg :) [05:05] infinity; i just said it to hilight the insanity of the situation [05:05] No, exactly one thing in Ubuntu has the bug, GTK. Not hundreds of apps. [05:05] Though the fix may end up in hundreds of apps. [05:05] heh. you appear to agree with seb :) [05:05] (Perhaps some sort of dh_fiddlewithiconcache thing might help) [05:05] gtk follows the spec. dpkg does not. [05:06] Then the spec is wrong. [05:06] ie: even if the makefile of the app touches the parent dir on make install dpkg won't convey this information [05:06] UNIX filesystem convention says that when you change an inode, you change that inode, not that inode and every parent directory back to / [05:06] infinity: that's what I wrote when I woke up, that dh_fiddle-thing [05:07] right. but dpkg is supposed to make it sort of like you just did 'make install' [05:07] Says who? [05:07] nobody, i suppose. [05:07] The tarball part of a Debian package is just that, a tarball. If you need more fancy action, that's why we have maintainer scripts. [05:08] but if a manual 'make install' works and the package fails to work then something is wrong with the packaging [05:08] not the package and not gtk [05:08] I won't disagree that something may be wrong with the packaging, just not that the problem is dpkg's. [05:08] fair. [05:08] dholbach; dh_fiddle is gonna be.... how many days do you think it would take to go through all those packages? [05:09] Though, in the Debian/Ubuntu context (or the context of packaging in general, I doubt RPM does what you want either), GTK could be considered buggy here. [05:09] desrt: i'll have to discuss it first === desrt puts $10 on the table that says ubuntu ends up vendor-patching gtk :) [05:09] We vendor-patch GTK all the time, why stop now? [05:10] quite. [05:11] So, I assume it's using inofity/dnotify to watch one specific directory for changes, and if that dir never changes, no cache flush? [05:13] launchpad's new change-grouping feature is really nice [05:13] cuts down a lot on the spam === bpuccio [n=brian@ool-457a9c38.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:31] infinity: what happened to the x and xorg.conf man pages? [05:31] Shuffle. Lost in the. [05:32] yeah [05:32] This is true of many X-related manpages. [05:32] I suppose one of us should look at that this week. [05:32] Perhaps some keen new X SWAT member. === infinity looks at jsgotangco [05:32] gahh [05:32] ok [05:33] i just confirmed a bug about it though [05:33] Yeah, there are many. [05:33] I doubt we've actually lost any manpages in source packages, I just suspect that many of them aren't actually making it into the binary packages anymore. [05:34] I've not had much time yet to set aside to looking into it, however. [05:34] hah so people *do* still care about man pages === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.4.136.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:35] does anything actually consume the dbus new mail notifications? [05:36] Does anything create any? [05:37] infinity: evolution new mail plugin [05:37] new-mail-notify is enabled by default [05:37] Ahh. Then I guess it's time for someone to write a DBUS-enabled biff of some sort. :) [05:37] well I was thinking more along the lines of time for evolution to make it's new mail plugin useful [05:38] dbus messages are really cool but not what 99.999% of users want === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.36] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.36] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Treenaks_ [n=martijn@thuis.foodfight.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Xof [n=mas01cr@158.223.59.22] has joined #ubuntu-devel === simira_ [n=simira@194.24.252.250] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua_@221.172.49.240] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi [n=wasabi@c-71-199-216-244.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ajmitch__ [n=ajmitch@port169-135.ubs.maxnet.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Treenaks_ is now known as Treenaks === j^_ [n=j@e178032061.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:32] who can help a poor man with a bit of perl foo? I'm looking for something like python's s.replace("blubb/123", "") [07:33] dholbach: $blah =~ s/some_word/another_work/; ? [07:33] maybe even $blah =~ s/some_word/another_work/g; [07:33] (see the 'perlre' manpage) === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:33] morning Burgundavia [07:33] Treenaks: can I give it something like a path too? [07:34] or do I have to use s:some/crazy/path:: then? [07:34] dholbach: it's just a plain regular expresion, like you would feed to sed or awk or vim [07:34] dholbach: yes, that would work too [07:34] nice [07:34] merci beaucoup === dholbach hugs Treenaks [07:36] IT! WORKS! === infinity watches as dholbach is converted to the dark side. [07:36] infinity: You don't know the power of the Dark Side! [07:36] poor dholbach [07:36] he had so much promise [07:37] infinity: I wonder how many people would see me "on the dark side" if I'd add a python dependency to debhelper :-p [07:37] dholbach: Joey Hess. [07:37] "you don't know the power of ".. perl [07:37] for one... :) [07:37] dholbach: And me, probably. [07:37] see [07:38] Concievably, that cjwatson fellow, too. [07:38] hhaha [07:38] i am your father? [07:38] heh [07:39] on the other hand . o O { "Yo Mark, I added a python dependency to debhelper" } [07:39] salut Treenaks, still night here [07:39] dholbach: Looking for a raise? [07:39] dholbach: you can probably also do $blah = `echo $blah | python -c 'import sys; print sys.stdin.read().replace(...'` === dholbach sniggers [07:40] dholbach: Hard to spend that money after Colin and I shitkick you. :) [07:40] infinity: some pretty bad guys live in my area :-p [07:40] And I mean that in the most CoC-friendly way possible. [07:40] I understood === neuralis cringes at a video regression in flight6 :/ [07:47] video? [07:48] display/rendering/somesuch. this is why i'm much happier in my server cave. [07:50] yes but cringing won't help us solve it :) === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:51] morning pitti [07:51] jsgotangco: no, but it'll make me feel better. :) [07:51] neuralis: It's a good cave. [07:51] Good morning [07:51] jsgotangco: (i'm writing up the testing report as we speak.) [07:51] hi ajmitch! [07:52] infinity: aye. [07:53] pitti: morning. got another url for you: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/1899 [07:54] Burgundavia: thanks; I've seen that yesterday, and upgrading cupsys is on my agenda [07:54] pitti: cool. just wanted to let you know [07:57] fabbione: since the binary won't work, we can assume all dual head issues with nvidia are hopelessly broken for now? [07:59] multihead on the binary driver should work fine... [07:59] It's only the free driver that's completely lacking that functionality. [07:59] (It's not broken, it's just plain not there) === jamesh hopes the firefox text rendering bugs will get fixed for release [08:06] jamesh: have you noticed that ff and epiphany render the page differently? epip has much smaller text [08:06] yeah [08:06] it actually looks better [08:07] infinity: the best is point to binary then? [08:07] In this case, yeah, there's not much else we can do, unless someone has the spare time to do multihead stuff in the free driver. :/ [08:07] Burgundavia: I filed https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/37828 about the problem. [08:07] Malone bug 37828 in firefox "Text rendered incorrectly in presence of ligatures and justified text" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [08:07] Burgundavia: does epiphany use Pango text rendering? [08:08] jamesh: no idea [08:09] Burgundavia: try looking at /proc/$PID/environ to see what MOZ_DISABLE_PANGO or MOZ_ENABLE_PANGO are set to [08:09] (where PID is epiphany's pid [08:10] jsgotangco: ????? [08:10] jsgotangco: i have dual head with the binary.. it works fine [08:10] jsgotangco: it's only with the free drivers that will not work [08:10] i meant the free one [08:10] yeah [08:10] i understand now === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:19] Burgundavia: any luck? [08:20] jamesh: sorry, been hacking on book. just a sec [08:20] no problem [08:21] jamesh: I don't see MOZ anything listed === carlos [n=carlos@88.Red-81-34-76.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === simira_ is now known as Simira [08:35] fabbione: I approved the git-core report now === joelbryan [n=joelbrya@210.213.156.165] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:37] pitti: thanks === marilize [n=marilize@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dewd_ [n=dewd@201.29.107.23] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AstralJava [n=jaska@83.102.38.193] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Pygi [n=mario@83-131-242-57.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure_ [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua_@222.50.182.9] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chmj [n=chmj@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-099-248.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:41] morning all [09:42] morning sivang [09:43] mornin' sivang ;) [09:43] Burgundavia: Hey Corey [09:43] hi Pygi === drew [n=drew@203-214-32-123.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Oculus [n=oculus@pD9509A8A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Cassidy [n=gdesmott@di-pc67.ulb.ac.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:56] hi sivang === sivang hugs pitti [09:57] is it possible to make boot scripts interactive? #!/bin/bash -i doesn't seem to work... === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sabdfl [n=mark@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@p54A67AC8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pvanhoof [n=pvanhoof@mailhost.newtec.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Cassidy [n=gdesmott@di-pc66.ulb.ac.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:11] mdz: around? === Aegir [n=richard@d58-105-36-34.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:23] seb128: perhaps [10:23] hi mdz :) [10:24] mdz: we would like to start using the GTK icon cache for "hicolor" and "gnome", just want to get your opinion on that first [10:24] will that actually change any behaviour? [10:25] mdz: Debian doesn't use it for now because it requires to have the package to "touch icon_dir" at installation "masks the icons installed" [10:25] s/installation/installation or it [10:25] are we using the icon cache for other things already? [10:25] ie: that would require to update packages installing an icon there to not get "weird effect" [10:26] we are using it for all the icon themes out of hicolor and gnome [10:26] seb128: is that what involves patching 300 packages in Debian? [10:26] are we using any hicolor icons in the desktop currently? [10:26] how many in Ubuntu? [10:26] since nothing else use "Human" by example we have to issue to generate the cache, it's not likely that it masks an app icon [10:26] mdz: updating the cache apparently results in a 300kb saving per-process [10:26] hicolor is the standard fallback [10:27] (per process that uses themed icons, that is) [10:27] oh, I thought we were falling back to tango [10:27] lot of apps install an icon to it [10:27] jordi: 200 source packages http://daniel.holba.ch/ubuntu/usr-share-icons.list [10:27] everything falls back to hicolor [10:27] eventually [10:27] dholbach: ugh [10:27] Human fallbacks to Tango by Inherits, by hicolor is always used (that's the spec fallback directory) [10:27] seb128: it is fine with me; it is you who will need to deal with the bugs if it causes any :-) [10:27] dholbach counted 60 sources packages to main [10:28] with a cdbs snippet it should be easy [10:28] mdz: ok, thank you :) === dholbach uploads debhelper and cdbs :-p [10:28] dholbach: did you remember to add the dep on python? :) [10:28] dholbach: please wait, I want to read you dh_tool before :) [10:28] haha [10:28] s/you/your [10:28] hi mdz. Any news on how the flash intro is going? [10:28] dholbach: can you file bugs for Debian's cdbs and debhelper? :) [10:28] mdz: now my turn for questions? ^_^ [10:28] jordi: as soon as seb is happy, yes. [10:29] jordi: Josselin is strongly against using the current cache but he went the wrong way about it :/ [10:29] mdke: it's more or less a bust due to the software stack being broken [10:29] Pygi: I am going to sleep in 2 minutes, what' s up? [10:29] mdz, oh dear. [10:29] seb128: I thought you went that way, last night on your blog :) [10:29] jordi: he sort of insulted upstream by bugzilla saying bad stuff on redhat guys doing crappy stuff their way [10:29] mdke: for dapper anyway; still hope to do it for +1 [10:29] mdz: ah, sleep tight then ^_^ Will talk some day later ^_^ [10:29] mdz, ok! good night [10:29] Pygi: I am very responsive to email [10:30] oh man [10:30] good night all [10:30] jordi: I think I stayed correct [10:30] 'night mdz! [10:30] mdz: no, you are not =P that's what I wanted to say =P [10:30] night mdz [10:30] seb128: the rumour says he's french :) [10:30] lol [10:30] nite mdz [10:30] good night mdz [10:30] Pygi: I don't have any email from you; what do you mean to say? [10:30] jordi: but I didn't like BenM calling that a "packaging bug" :) [10:30] mdz: bah, the one about UVFe for N-M 0.6.2 [10:31] seb128: yeah, I didn't like that blog entry either. [10:31] I got the response to first mail from collin, but to my reply to that mail neither you or him responded :-/ [10:31] colin answered you [10:32] mdz: hm, yes , to first mail...but to second there were no answer :-/ [10:32] he said the same thing I would have said [10:32] in colin's message he wrote "this looks OK" [10:32] mdz: bah, ok [10:33] I appreciate your enthusiasm, but a) Colin already answered you, and b) don't expect me to respond to emails which you send to Colin [10:33] I was just seeking for confirmation of that in second mail, and answering to his question anyway [10:33] mdz: sent both to you and colin :) [10:33] To: colin, Cc: me [10:33] Pygi: let mdz go to bed now :-p [10:33] in a conversation between you and colin [10:33] mdz: ah, yes, ok, ok, sorry ;) sleep now =p [10:34] dholbach: yes, yes, will do ^_^ === vuntz_ [n=vuntz@volin.imag.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ssam [n=ssam@80-41-93-124.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.211.136] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pvanhoof [n=pvanhoof@mailhost.newtec.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === OculusAquilae [n=oculus@pD9509A8A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thesaltydog [n=saltydog@ubuntu/member/thesaltydog] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thesaltydog [n=saltydog@ubuntu/member/thesaltydog] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === j^_ is now known as j^ === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ploum [n=ploum@ubuntu/member/ploum] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === iceman [n=iceman@physInfo-mac26.ulb.ac.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:08] Kamion: Can you remove ocaml-native-compilers on hppa? ocaml no longer builds that binary on hppa. [11:09] jdub, around? === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@195-23-238-142.nr.ip.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Pygi [n=mario@83-131-245-100.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:13] you know jdub said on sounder that Ubuntu was called "Ubuntu" and not "Ubuntu Linux"? That's official enough for me to go through the docs and hack out references to the latter, isn't it? [11:14] Quite probably. === jinty [n=jinty@135.Red-80-37-34.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sabdfl [n=mark@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:16] mdke: AFAIK, the only time the words "Ubuntu" and "Linux" should be seen one after the other is if you're referring to "the Ubuntu Linux distribution". [11:16] infinity, that's confused me now :) [11:16] Wihch, for the sake of ambiguity, I suppose you could reword as "the Linux distribution called Ubuntu", but the passive voice never sounds good there, so I wouldn't. === highvoltage thinks that should've been Ubuntu GNU/Linux, but that's another discussion [11:17] highvoltage: That's one reason why it's not "Ubuntu Linux" either, since we can do without the silly flamewars. The product is just "Ubuntu" and now everyone can feel equally hurt and left out. === infinity wishes Debian had done the same thing long ago. [11:18] infinity: great! [11:18] Riddell: nice april 1st desktop :-) === Seveaz [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:18] ok, I'll go and do the necessary grep+sythe out [11:18] hmm, why is the ubuntu-drivers logo shown in my list of groups I'm in? === thesaltydog [n=saltydog@ubuntu/member/thesaltydog] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:19] sabdfl, Riddell: are there screenshots somewhere? :-) [11:19] sabdfl: you're part of the community council, right? [11:19] doh [11:19] yeah, screenshots of april fools for all those of us who use a proper desktop === thesaltydog [n=saltydog@ubuntu/member/thesaltydog] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [11:22] Mithrandir: ubuntu-core-dev is a membery of ubuntu-drivers. [11:22] Mithrandir: member too. [11:23] yeah, jamesh just pointed that out to me too. [11:23] we weren't before, I think. [11:23] No, we weren't. [11:23] We certainly should be, though, since we writeand implement most of the specs. :) [11:25] also, with the tightened up security only ubuntu-drivers members can change the milestone field of Ubuntu bugs [11:25] so mdz cleaned up the team membership and added ubuntu-core-dev to it === Mithrandir thinks it would be appropriate if those kinds of changes were announced somewhere. I haven't seen anything about it, at least. === pef [n=loic@ubuntu/member/pef] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:40] neuralis: espresso test reports to ubuntu-users@ if they're just raw reports, or bug reports if they're cleanly separated out per issue === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === FliesLikeABrick [n=Ryan@about/rpi/rawdor] has joined #ubuntu-devel === `anthony [n=anthony@220-253-57-125.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lloydinho [n=andreas@130.225.236.132] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:54] jamesh: so [11:55] jordi: yeah? [11:56] jamesh: if you want to investigate further, can you get the newest dejavu and see if it's still fucked like that? [11:56] jordi: where abouts? [11:56] debian probably has it already [11:56] let's check [11:57] The current version is 2.4.1, which is an intermediate release to fix the kerning bug with Pango (LGC version is still 2.4) (What's new, Download). The next version 2.5 is scheduled for April 16th (see Roadmap). [11:57] so [11:57] fight for a UVF exception :P [11:58] jordi: okay. I've got 2.3-0ubuntu1 === Ubugtu_1 [n=bugbot@81.171.100.21] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:58] I'll bung a copy in ~/.fonts and see what happens [11:58] k [11:59] hrm [11:59] debian has 2.3 === jordi pings bubulle === FliesLikeABrick [n=Ryan@about/rpi/rawdor] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:00] jamesh: Debian is currently fucked [12:01] dholbach: How's the gparted patch? [12:01] Kinnison: i followed up on the bug report about it [12:01] i ported it to 0.2.3 last week, but the result is still the same :-/ [12:01] jordi: I doubt it is the font though: I only see the problem in Firefox === Kinnison looks at his lpbugs folder and whimpers [12:02] dholbach: Does 0.2.3 unpatched have the issue? [12:02] i'm quite sure that not, but let me double check [12:03] infinity, what would it take to make ltsp installable on hppa/ia64 ? [12:03] jamesh: really? [12:03] jordi: yeah [12:03] jordi: firefox + pango + justified text === janimo [n=jani@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:08] Kinnison: no, the unpatched version is happy [12:08] dholbach: most bizarre [12:08] jordi: no change [12:08] yeah [12:08] jamesh: gna [12:08] dholbach: did you upload the 0.2.3 version of your package to the same place as before? [12:08] yeah [12:08] jordi: and I checked to make sure that firefox was mmaping the new version [12:08] Kinnison: http://daniel.holba.ch/ubuntu/gparted [12:08] seb128: hmm. this pango kerning bug, shouldn't it be fixed by the new dejavu? [12:08] jamesh: right [12:09] pitti: ping [12:09] dholbach: excellent. I'll take a look later. I have a small flock of bugs mdz gave me to look at which will take a little while to work through [12:09] we should think about a new fontconfig upload, that makes bitstream vera preferred to dejavu again === pitti waves to carlos [12:09] jordi: we don't have the new [12:09] jordi: but right [12:09] seb128: jamesh installed it in ~ [12:09] and firefox was still missbehaving [12:10] also, shouldn't he have the bug all across the desktop, not only ff? [12:10] Kinnison: thanks a lot - you rock! [12:10] jordi: http://dejavu.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page [12:10] jordi: firefox is special [12:10] "The current version is 2.4.1, which is an intermediate release to fix the kerning bug with Pango (LGC version is still 2.4)" [12:10] jordi: and when using justified text, I'd expect it to be sending even smaller runs to pango for rendering === JaneW [n=JaneW@dsl-146-191-135.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:11] seb128: I saw that === lloydinho [n=andreas@130.225.237.38] has joined #ubuntu-devel === heno [n=henrik@henrik.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:17] seb128: new DejaVu doesn't help, so no need to look at updating it for this bug [12:17] that might be a firefox specific issue [12:20] yeah === carlos [n=carlos@56.Red-88-4-2.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:21] pitti: the mirror was not ready and thus, it was breaking my exports [12:21] I think that 4 extra hours is enough to get always fresh data... [12:22] carlos: so, shall I move my cron jobs by 4 hours? [12:22] pitti: yes, please [12:23] carlos: hm, no chance to update your mirror 4 hours earlier? [12:23] dholbach: I'm not promising I can fix it :-) [12:23] carlos: getting new tarballs in the afternoon is a bit inconvenient [12:23] Kinnison: we share the pain... that's good enough :-) [12:23] pitti: I depend on a launchpad mirror, it's outside my control === Kinnison grins [12:23] pitti: I can do it before midnight if you prefer [12:24] carlos: ok, moved [12:24] pitti: but the data will be a bit more outdated as the db mirror will be done early in the morning... [12:24] oh, let's do that in the afternoon then, that's fine === G0SUB [n=ghoseb@ubuntu/member/g0sub] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:26] pitti: as soon as my code is ready, we will move it into production [12:26] pitti: so we will not depend on the mirror === jinty [n=jinty@135.Red-80-37-34.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:29] Mithrandir: I tested FL6; the F5 access options are still not active. Should I file a bug against it? [12:30] heno: live or install? [12:31] live === bpuccio [n=brian@ool-457a9c38.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:33] Mithrandir: I guess if it was seeded it would show up here: http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/dapper/desktop right? [12:34] Mithrandir: do you have time today for trying to build xubuntu install iso [12:35] heno: hmm, it should, yes. I don't remember why we didn't just seed them. === KaiL [n=KaiL@p548F725D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:36] janimo: I think you want Kamion for that; I'm not sure how to set up a new project for cd building. [12:36] Mithrandir: ok. afaik the code is there [12:36] Mithrandir: I guess we were womdering about desktop vs. live and decided on live [12:36] heno: we were, I think [12:36]