=== leluahma [n=markus@a81-197-119-51.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jshaw [n=jtshaw@155.229.229.162] has joined #ubuntu-motu === G0SUB [n=ghoseb@ubuntu/member/g0sub] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bmonty [n=bmontgom@ubuntu/member/bmonty] has joined #ubuntu-motu === SEJeff [n=alicia@12-211-125-247.client.insightbb.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:35] hi! could you guys please review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2228 ? Thank you === jshaw [n=jtshaw@155.229.229.162] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Konversation] === truz24 [n=truz24@12-203-70-118.client.insightBB.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _jason [n=jasonr@dhcp0534.hrn.resnet.group.UPENN.EDU] has joined #ubuntu-motu === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-55-122.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:39] As far as development effort is concerned, where is there the most need for help? === bmontgom_ [n=bmontgom@wsip-68-15-230-31.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:45] why did quake3 not make it from revu into dapper? [01:51] hey guys, isn't the REVU server donated by Canonical or something? === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.212.131] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:52] Kyral: yes [01:52] SEJeff: wants to know :P [01:52] why he asked in #ubuntu+1 instead of here is beyond me :P [01:52] any known problems with compiling the vmware kernel module with 2.6.15-19-386 ? [01:52] robertj: I don't know, the last message said 'uploading' [01:53] Kyral: I'd rather not bother ppl in here [01:53] ajmitch: I bastardized those packages to Tremulous up :) [01:53] can anyone suggest a package that has a good example of a gnome applet written in python? [01:53] robertj: explain? [01:53] bmonty_: deskbar-applet, iirc [01:53] ajmitch: Tremulous is a stand-alone FPS with 99% CC Share-alike content [01:53] robertj: ok [01:53] I've emailed the author of the other 1% begging him to relicence [01:53] Heya gents === ajmitch just couldn't parse your sentence [01:54] hello bddebian [01:54] ajmitch: quake3 src is gpl + some other DFSG bits [01:54] hey bddebian [01:54] quake3 content is totally non-free [01:54] Tremulous began like as a quake3 mod but is now standalone with all new content and a different executable [01:54] and it's quite a game [01:55] soon to be fully distributable then? [01:55] dunno about that. The problem is the textures can't be replaced without causing players not to be able to play on "pure" servers who check media assets before connection [01:55] but if he will relicence then we _still_ have to wait for CC 3.0 share-alike to come out of draft stage in ~ 3 months [01:56] right [01:56] raelly we could just stick it in multiverse and promote it to universe in dapper+1 === ajmitch has to head out now, sorry [01:56] np [01:56] thanks [01:57] So what to do about patching a package with no patch system in place? === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:57] yo LJ [01:57] hi Kyral [01:57] Heya LaserJock, Kyral [01:57] bddebian: just patch it? [01:57] bmonty_: That was kind of my thought [01:58] Hola bddebian and bmonty_ [01:58] hey LaserJock [02:05] bddebian: apply the patches directly. === hub [n=hub@toronto-hs-216-138-231-194.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:28] ajmitch: upload pyflakes to debian ! [02:28] (bug 330896) === JulianoBastos [n=ubuntux@c-24-99-227-207.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _jason [n=jasonr@dhcp0534.hrn.resnet.group.UPENN.EDU] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:38] crimsun: OK, thnks [02:39] bddebian: np [02:42] bddebian: Thanks for sponsoring that upload. :) [02:44] NP === TheMuso waits for the binaries to appear in the archive so he can fix silky which needs silc-toolkit. :) === bpuccio [n=brian@ool-457afde7.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.36] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ajmitch [n=ajmitch@port171-235.ubs.maxnet.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mat [n=mat@igoan/mat] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:06] anyone else want to take a gander at why quake3 never made it to dapper? [04:06] last update in revu was positive in january... [04:24] hmm, is it bad for a package to dep on a transitional package? === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-209-217-124-167.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:26] lifeless: I got the mail about it :) [04:26] ajmitch: so did I :{ [04:26] why? [04:26] dunno [04:26] bts decided I was cool or something [04:26] maybe [04:26] so coming to the meeting tomorrow night ? === lifeless wants a fan club === bddebian starts lifeless fan club [04:33] ajmitch: actually, its tonight [04:34] in 6 hours [04:34] bddebian already has a fan club. There's even a wiki page ;-) [04:34] Bah, bullocks [04:34] bddebian: thank you :) === nictuku needs a fan club also hehe [04:35] s/also/too/ [04:44] lifeless: I'll try & be there then if I can === ajmitch is currently at work :) [04:44] Work?? === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B04FE.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:49] dholbach: hi! [04:49] hello LaserJock [04:49] good morning [04:49] Heya dholbach. You're alive? :-) [04:49] Guten Morgen [04:49] ajmitch: thanks! [04:50] good morning guys [04:50] morning! [04:50] hi all [04:50] just said in another channel "when I swore to myself to start working earlier, I didn't know life was going to make fun of me and I couldn't sleep at 3:30 any more" :-) [04:50] Heh [04:51] Hello Se7h [04:51] aloha bddebian === dholbach gets some coffee === lakin [n=lakin@S01060013101832ce.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:05] anyone available to do some reviewing? [05:05] it's a dependency for nwu [05:06] anybody want to write the Packaging Guide for me? === bddebian doesn't [05:06] s/doesn't/couldn't/ [05:06] like I can? [05:07] I'd like to improve my packaging skills and become a MOTU [05:08] LaserJock: ? [05:08] lifeless: ? [05:08] what Packaging Guide do you need written ? [05:08] lifeless: do you have Dapper gnome in front of you? [05:09] yes [05:09] System->Help->System Documentation [05:10] nictuku: excellent [05:10] LaserJock: nice. [05:11] any motus would give me a review on http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2237 [05:13] lifeless: I'm hoping to finish it in the next couple days and send an email to -motu and -devel asking for review before the doc freeze [05:14] have you incorporated matt palmers packaging hints ? [05:15] some, I think. Do you have a URL? I can't remember [05:16] http://people.debian.org/~mpalmer/debian-mentors_FAQ.html [05:16] I did try to grab some info from http://ftp-master.debian.org/REJECT-FAQ.html ;-) [05:17] its not square on 'how to package', but there are useful tidbits there [05:18] nictuku: Checking [05:18] revu would be more useful with an interdebdiff [05:18] bddebian, its "pycacic" === bpuccio [n=brian@ool-457a9c38.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:19] nictuku: pycacic? [05:19] lifeless: yeah, I'll have to glance through it and see if there is anything I don't have. At first glance it looks like I probably have most of it [05:19] bddebian, provides "python*-sysinfo", to which nwu-agent depends [05:19] lifeless: but he does have a good description of native and non-native packages [05:19] lifeless: which seems to be an issue for people [05:22] nictuku: Advocated [05:23] :-) [05:25] nictuku: is this a totally new package (not in Ubuntu before)? [05:26] LaserJock, yes. It's not supposed to go into dapper [05:26] bddebian: that was a very very quick review :) [05:26] nictuku: should it go in Dapper? [05:27] lifeless: what debdiff do you want on revu? [05:27] I mean, it would be useless since only nwu-agent depends on it, and nwu-agent is not there yet [05:27] ajmitch: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2237 [05:27] nictuku: ok, cool [05:27] ajmitch: against the last one that hit the archive [05:27] LaserJock, I don't know how strict FF is in universe [05:28] apparently not as strict as I thought [05:28] lifeless: doesn't the debdiff option on the page work? [05:28] ajmitch: what debdiff option ? [05:29] did I do something wrong? Should I have uploaded it during FF? [05:29] s/shouldn't/ [05:29] ajmitch: there are debdiffs against some random versions whose version I cannot tell [05:29] lifeless: in the comments section, there's a debdiff link by each previous upload [05:29] The following uploads have been uploaded concerning the same Package: [05:29] Comments for upload of April 02 06:50 (debdiff) [05:30] what version is that ? [05:30] lifeless: debdiff is between what you're currently viewing & the upload you select [05:30] ajmitch: so what I is between the version currently in dapper, and the version the guy asked for a review on [05:30] that is a debdiff from the current upload to the first upload [05:30] revu isn't meant to be used for packages currently in dapper [05:30] though it often gets used that way [05:31] So I've noticed :-) [05:31] I like debdiffs attached to bug reports better === nictuku feels relieved [05:32] ajmitch: so its good to know that its not meant for that ... but if its the first time I review something I'll want a diff against HEAD [05:32] ajmitch: which means dapper, and if its new, it will be a full-diff ;) [05:33] if it's a new package on REVU, the first upload shouldn't show a debdiff option iirc [05:34] even if its in dapper ? [05:34] we'd have to hack revu to check that a package is in dapper, grab it, and do the checks [05:35] sure. [05:35] when we get revu-in-lp we'll have that sort of functionality [05:35] sure, and until then there's a revu2 rework that's underway [05:36] it'd be a bit easier if it were integrated with lp [05:37] and we'd probably be reviewing branches & using bzr by then anyway :) [05:38] how's 0.8 going anyway? [05:38] quite well [05:38] do you encourage people to use the autodebtest stuff yet ? [05:38] not yet === ajmitch hasn't looked at it himself [05:39] the code made my eyes bleed, other than that it looks like a good start [05:39] heh [05:39] lifeless: what does it do? [05:40] bzr rocks, btw ;-) === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.36] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:41] LaserJock: it lets you put tests in the debian dir for a package [05:43] did Diziet write it? [05:43] yes [05:43] man, he has his hands all over Debian ;-) [05:45] I was hoping he would have time to finish the Ubuntu Developer's Reference for Dapper [05:46] bddebian, did you really advocate that package? [05:46] Yep [05:46] pycacic or nwu? [05:46] it's not showing in the revu [05:47] Oh, maybe I hit the wrong one. This was scim-bridge [05:47] ah ok [05:47] :-D [05:47] That's what you posted [05:47] 2237 [05:48] no, that was lifeless [05:48] or freeflying, rather [05:48] Oh, whoops, sorry [05:49] np [05:49] tsk, tsk, out of date standards .. ;-P [05:50] yeah, I don't agree with the newer ones :-P === nictuku changing that [05:50] jeeze, don't these young whipper-snappers run lintian ;-) [05:51] I did, on debian sarge :-( [05:52] odd, sarge isn't outdated at all ;-) [05:52] nictuku: Does it really need python2.3-dev? [05:53] LaserJock: [05:53] Err :-) === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.36] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:56] bddebian, hmm probably not, but many python libraries have the same build-depends, I guess that's for a reason? [05:56] hmm, a soon as rewrite the data collection program at work I can move sarge to Dapper on the computer at work:-) [05:57] Oh God, don't mention Data Collection :-( [05:57] bddebian: Right now I have to have a 2.4 kernel :( [05:57] I'll trade you, ours in Windows :-) [05:57] 2.3-dev is only needed if you are building the package on debian [05:57] but then my boss sort of offered to by LabView [05:57] cause debian still hasn't migrated [05:59] lifeless, well that package is for debian too. === jshaw [n=jtshaw@155.229.229.162] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:00] Isn't it the RightThing to ensure that it compiles on Debian too? [06:00] I mean, build. [06:01] no [06:01] not necessarily [06:01] Ubuntu's defualt Python version is 2.4 [06:01] hmm shouldn't we send improvements back to Debian? [06:02] it's not so much that. They don't want 2.4 as default yet [06:02] so their default is 2.3 and ours is 2.4 [06:03] nictuku: sure, and we do [06:03] nictuku: but its easier on some packages than others [06:03] I thought it was wrong to contribute a new package for ubuntu and don't worry about debian portability. [06:03] compatibility, I mean. [06:04] nictuku: you can worry about it all you want ;-) [06:04] it's not wrong, just not necessarily the most efficient [06:05] crimsun, you mean it's not efficient to keep debian compatibility or the opposite? [06:06] nictuku: you can use python-dev as a dep [06:06] nictuku: I mean it's more efficient to maintain Debian as the primary development point, since versions can simply be synced into Ubuntu. [06:07] LaserJock, oh that's true [06:07] well as long as I'm able to build both 2.3 and 2.4 versions using the default python-dev, right? [06:08] in this package, the same source package creates python-, python2.3 and python2.4, as suggested in the python policy [06:09] it's really simple. Build-depend on both python2.3-dev and python2.4-dev, and your Ubuntu delta will be the one-line change in debian/control for python-yourpackage that Depends on python2.4-yourpackage [06:10] Whatever happened with all the apt-get.org crap? [06:10] crimsun, then I guess it's fine already: http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/pycacic-0604022255/pycacic-0.3/debian/control [06:11] bddebian: what crap, that is high quality packaging there [06:12] The packaging wasn't the issue. It was licensing problems wasn't it? [06:12] nictuku: why would python-sysinfo depend on python? [06:12] bddebian: really? I never heard about that [06:14] afaik, it was licensing. [06:14] LaserJock, seems useless, but then again a common practice in python packages I've seen (eg. python-sqlobject) [06:15] I'm not saying they are right. [06:15] hmm, seems like it will cause more delta (since it should be python2.3 in Debian) [06:17] it actually depends on python (>= 2.4), python (<< 2.5) [06:17] or better, python (>= 2.4), python (<< 2.5), python2.4-sysinfo [06:17] the delta would be changing that to the current default (2.3 in debian) [06:18] yeah, and I dont' see why you would need that. the only real dep is python2.4-sysinfo [06:18] I agree. [06:19] I'll fix that, but i'm just wondering why those other packages do that... maybe for a reason? [06:19] I've got to clean up the python app I maintain in Debian too. I'm still not quite sure to do with it === nictuku sees no reason [06:19] if there is somebody will file a bug report for sure ;-) [06:19] hehe [06:20] My problem is that my app can use either 2.3 or 2.4 but it places some modules in site-packages so I have to give it a version :/ [06:20] btw LaserJock, a package here wont go into the menu, any ideas? [06:21] Se7h: did you run desktop-file-validate on the .desktop file? [06:21] LaserJock use the latest availble on the system [06:21] Ack.. === bddebian didn't even know about desktop-file-validation [06:21] Err validate [06:21] LaserJock, for nwu I send the files to site-python.. [06:22] nictuku: are they compiled by a postinst script? [06:22] bddebian same here [06:22] its the first time this happen [06:23] LaserJock isn't menu / .desktop file enough? [06:24] no [06:24] LaserJock, I use a minimal cdbs debian/rules, then move them using .install [06:24] seems to work: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2236 [06:24] nictuku: hmm, you might check the installed deb [06:24] (please don't mind reviewing 2236) [06:25] LaserJock, check if they have compiled files, you mean? [06:25] nictuku: yeah, I found with my packages that posints scripts were added in /var/lib/dpkg/info [06:25] nictuku: that compiled the .py files [06:26] dh_python does it [06:26] I don't get what the problem is [06:27] if it does that then it will compile with the default Python version, which means they shouldn't go in site-python [06:27] because the files are version specific, or at least that is my worry/understanding [06:28] I don't see any problem there, as long as you don't get a deb package you build in ubuntu and take it to sarge. [06:28] and vice-versa. [06:28] well, what if you run the app with different versions of python [06:29] if you run the app with 2.4 but it was byte compiled with 2.3 that might be a problem, no? [06:29] my files are in site-python but only .py, not .pyc [06:29] but you don't know that [06:29] they are compiled after isntall [06:29] well dpkg -c tells me that [06:30] it won't show in dpkg -c [06:30] really? [06:30] oh [06:30] postinst [06:30] yeah [06:30] ding [06:30] I just installed the .deb in looked int /var/lib/dpkg/info/ [06:30] and found it there [06:31] that's why the python policy say that a "all versions" package is not supported. [06:31] perhaps, although you could not use dh_python and get rid of the postinst I suppose [06:31] but I'm not sure if I want to do that [06:32] you could just prevent dh_python fromdoing that [06:32] but I'm not sure either [06:33] actually dh_python -n looks good === No1Viking [n=Viking@h-83-140-104-3.ip.cust.port80.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:34] although I assume that the idea is that you sacrifice speed when you do that === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:34] hi Hobbsee [06:35] hi Hobbsee [06:35] hey ajmitch and LaserJock! [06:35] the maths test didnt kill me! [06:35] great! [06:35] yeah! === ajmitch is on hold trying to contact ISP... zzz [06:35] you've gotta start wondering when you cant understand question 1, part a.... [06:35] I never really enjoyed math, especially 2nd semester Calc :( === ajmitch wasn't much of a calc fan at uni [06:36] eek [06:36] it's all blarg until you hit number theory, then at least it's fascinatingly dizzy and worth falling asleep over [06:36] hehe [06:36] so i'll have lots of fun in the future, hey? [06:36] I enjoyed 1 semester adn 3rd sememster but 2nd just kicked my butt [06:36] loads === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:37] hey robitaille [06:37] and now I come to find that 2nd semester had everything I need for my career :/ [06:37] yeah.. [06:37] number theory...wonder which bit that is.... [06:37] LaserJock: oh good, so i can try to skip all possible maths units, and otherwise ingore them? [06:38] umm, no :-) [06:38] :( whyever not? [06:38] i wonder which bit number theory is... [06:38] because you don't know what you will be doing years from now [06:38] true [06:38] and calculus is very universal === ajmitch might have slightly faster DSL in a week, yay [06:39] ajmitch [06:39] ajmitch: yay! [06:39] as long as you dont go with bigpond, or equivalent [06:39] after seeing their performance yesterday... [06:39] heh === Hobbsee doesnt want to count how many times she had to reset the router [06:40] actually I was just told that it's already been changed [06:40] & that I just need to reconnect the DSL [06:40] ah ok === ajmitch will be back in a min :) [06:41] Well time for this old fart to go to bed. Gnight gents [06:41] cya bddebian [06:41] And ladies [06:41] night bddebian [06:41] yeah, don't be sexist [06:41] ;-) === Hobbsee twirls around in her skirt :P [06:41] Heh === ajmitch__ [n=ajmitch@port169-135.ubs.maxnet.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:41] actually, i lie - i dont usually wear skirts [06:42] ok [06:42] I don't either :p [06:42] modem_run[9740] : ADSL line is up (4288 kbit/s down | 608 kbit/s up) [06:42] much better [06:42] LaserJock: that's good to hear ;) [06:43] ajmitch__: so why do you have a tail? [06:43] Hobbsee: because I just reconnected? [06:43] hi ajmitch__ [06:43] :) === robitaille is a bit late responsding... [06:44] that's ok :) === ajmitch missed some conversation for a minute or so [06:45] very disappointing :) [06:46] hehe [06:46] poor ajmitch_ [06:46] I know [06:46] I don't feel bad for him, he got faster internet out of the deal [06:47] :P [06:47] now I can upload packages 4x faster [06:47] nice [06:47] yay! [06:47] it's got a 20GB cap though === Hobbsee gets stung by slow uploads too :( [06:47] debdiff's are way better :D [06:48] my DSL is fairly slow but considering I was on dialup before I'm pretty happy [06:48] start of last year I was on 128/128kbps [06:48] LaserJock lol [06:48] so 3.5/512 is a good improvement from that === TheMuso wishes Telstra offered faster DSL than 1.5mbps, but since we are moving in the next 12 months, he won't worry about ADSL 2 just yet. [06:48] but my uni line is sweat [06:49] TheMuso: it's strange that I can actually get faster DSL in NZ than that - though we don't have adsl2+ here yet === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:49] another Hobbsee_ [06:49] ajmitch: Yeah. And if I'm right, if Telstra do release ADSL 2, it won't be fastr than what is available on cable. [06:49] hmm, did Hobbsee get a faster line too? [06:49] hehe yeah [06:50] SO will have to go with an ISP with own DSLAM. [06:50] TheMuso: impossible here :) [06:50] we have no unbundling [06:50] LaserJock: no, i moved my laptop, and the wired pulled itself out. but the wireless actually felt like connecting, which is good. [06:50] ajmitch: That must suck. [06:50] just a bit [06:51] How long after binaries are built shoul they hit the archive? [06:51] within 30-60min [06:51] where u from btw? [06:51] who? [06:52] all of ya [06:52] Se7h: Sydney, Australia. [06:52] NZ [06:52] too many people from sydney here :) [06:52] TheMuso a just made a call to there a few minutes ago [06:52] heh [06:53] really ? [06:53] all from aus ? === robitaille waves from Canada... [06:53] jeje [06:53] I can't make a bug a duplicate because the bug itself has duplicates - how do I find *those* bugs to make them duplicates of what seems to be the best bug report? === LaserJock is from Reno, Nevada [06:54] two of the countries i might go live to [06:54] Se7h: I said I'm from NZ, not australia [06:54] never ever confuse the two ;) [06:54] ajmitch i read it ;) [06:54] sydney here, too [06:54] anyone? [06:54] trappist: you have to change all these other duplicates to be duplicate of the bug you want to keep open [06:54] TheMuso: your bigpond connection go haywire last night as well? [06:54] what I though NZ was a state of AU === LaserJock hides [06:54] robitaille: I know, my question is how to identify those bugs [06:54] ajmitch: re binaries and being built, bdebian uploaded a debdiff for a package I fixed a few days ago, and while all arches have reported a successful build, I haven't seen the packages in the archive yet. [06:54] LaserJock lmao [06:54] LaserJock: it is, we send all of our criminals there. [06:54] Hobbsee: I am with Westnet on ADSL. [06:55] TheMuso: what package? [06:55] TheMuso: oh ok, i thought you mentioned telstra earlier [06:55] u'r were talking bout dsl connections [06:55] i have 4Mb and think it sucks [06:55] ajmitch: silc-toolkit [06:55] Hobbsee: Yeah, because I still rely on them for ADSL itself. [06:56] *nods* [06:56] robitaille: any idea? [06:56] IMO WestNet are 100% rock solid. [06:56] trappist: the duplicates should be in the ledft-hand side column of that report. [06:56] Se7h: I have no idea what I get but I think it is ~1 Mb [06:56] which bug number you are looking at? [06:57] robitaille: gotcha, thanks. this is bug 32915 [06:57] Malone bug 32915 in kde-guidance "Display applet does not start" [Normal,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/32915 [06:57] TheMuso: strange [06:57] LaserJock didn't i read 512Kb ? [06:57] ajmitch: Agreed. [06:58] ajmitch: But, the sources are in the archive. [06:58] Se7h: eh? [06:58] LaserJock forget it...i'm just pissed cus i dont have higher than 10Mb [06:58] :p [06:59] Se7h: Many of us in Australia don't either, at least most on ADSL don't. [06:59] I could get cable here, but DSL is better value for money. [06:59] trappist: so if you go to 37275, you can see all the duplicate on the left. [06:59] Se7h: well, at my uni I have a nice connection. Sometimes I can download an .iso in 1.5 min. === TheMuso drools at the connection access LaserJock has. [07:00] LaserJock thats 1Gb [07:00] very nice :9 [07:00] trappist: so 32915 has already been dealt with by beeing marked as duplicate of 37275 [07:00] :> === Hobbsee glares at LaserJock [07:00] well mates, its 6am here, i'm off to bed, cya all [07:00] is that with a download accelerator, or not? [07:01] or a torrent? === tortho [n=tortho@104.84-49-107.nextgentel.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:01] cya Se7h [07:01] lol [07:01] Hobbsee: no just an .iso === Hobbsee can pull an ISO in around 25 mins, with a download accelerator [07:01] robitaille: yeah, I just did that [07:02] if I find a good uni close by University of Southern California has a fast mirror I think [07:03] Kyral has got the best hookup, his uni mirrors Ubuntu so he doesn't have to go outside the local network [07:04] hehe nice [07:04] if the flight cds get on bigpond, i can just grab them from the ISP, rather than having to search for another mirror somewhere [07:05] that ends up being pretty fast - with an accelerator [07:09] Hobbsee: do you use adept at all? [07:09] LaserJock: very occasionally [07:09] Hello, all [07:09] Hobbsee: could you check something for me real quick? [07:09] hi tritium [07:10] LaserJock: what is it? [07:10] hey tritium [07:10] Hi LaserJock, ajmitch [07:10] Hobbsee: if you search for acl2 I would like to know if the description line is complete [07:10] Hobbsee: or if it is truncated and ends with a P [07:11] it shows up to main ... [07:12] in synaptic it has "... main binaP" [07:12] acl2 - A Computational Logic for Applicative Common Lisp: main binary [07:12] from the commandline [07:12] LaserJock: I have seen the same in another package recently... there is a bug report; for the life of me I can't remember which one right now. === ajmitch installs adept to check === tortho [n=tortho@104.84-49-107.nextgentel.com] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Ex-Chat"] [07:13] robitaille: yeah, they guy said he filed like 3 dozen bug reports about it [07:14] https://launchpad.net/people/tjaustinbardo/+reportedbugs [07:14] yep...quite a few reported bugs about that problem [07:15] holy Thilo Six, batman [07:15] robitaille: I told him to report just 1 bug against synaptic but I think we could Reject the other ones [07:15] and it seems he has looked only at the "a"s [07:16] the bug report I saw was 2-3 weeks ago, so it must from someone else [07:16] oh goody, he filed yet another f-spot bug [07:17] robitaille: so I think I stopped him before he got to the 'b's ;-) [07:18] I wonder if that's how I should file my complaints about the menu locations of certain apps, or their lack of menu entries in kde [07:18] it would be a few dozen bugs at least, if I filed per-package [07:19] trappist: if they lack .desktop files you can file bugs about that, I've got about 40 of those to upload still :/ [07:19] LaserJock: then I guess you've got that process down - could you add Eterm to your list if you haven't already? [07:20] that's my personal #1 concern [07:21] that and two other eterm gripes that aren't getting a lot of attention [07:21] I've fixed one of em, but they don't let me upload :) and nobody's looking at the patch. [07:22] probably because the bug isn't assigned to be reviewed & it's floating around with the ~10K other bugs? [07:23] I didn't figure I was supposed to assign bugs. what should I do with a bug like that? [07:24] ajmitch: only 9371 bugs tonight....there was some serious bug triage over the weekend by some senior Ubuntu developers :) [07:24] bugs with patches should be assigned to motureviewers [07:24] (universe bugs, that is) [07:24] robitaille: great, I noticed that there were no more bugs assigned to debzilla :) [07:24] cool, eterm is universe [07:25] it makes them a little easier to search for [07:25] 'night folks [07:25] night [07:26] done === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:27] wb Hobbsee [07:27] ajmitch: what if it wasn't a universe package? [07:27] oops... [07:27] ctrl + esc isnt the same as ctrl + alt + backspace! [07:27] ajmitch: or if it didn't have a patch [07:27] trappist: then you don't assign it === trappist decides not to see what ctrl-esc does [07:27] Hobbsee: you did a silly thing? [07:28] ajmitch: is there an appropriate way to get a bug some visibility if it doesn't happen to be a universe package with an attached patch? [07:28] i wanted xkill! not restart x, hehe! [07:28] Hobbsee: lol [07:28] trappist: there's not really an appropriate way without nagging & annoying developers, usually :) === Hobbsee notices that some goose has assigned a bug report to motu UVF, without a working patch - because my patch on it doesnt work! [07:29] bleh. I assume this is why so many bugs languish for so long on malone [07:29] yeah, they slip thru as unassigned === Hobbsee is surprised at just how many fit into that category [07:29] trappist: and if everyone clamours for their favourite bug,the situation will be the same except much much noisier [07:30] ajmitch: good point. [07:30] what, like checkinstall? :P [07:30] well, thanks ajmitch. off to bed with me. === trappist & === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:47] wb Hobbsee :) [07:47] ty [07:47] keep on hitting the wrong keys? [07:49] dholbach: I've got a UVF exception to make, but it's going to be a rather large diff.. how likely are you to approve it? :) [07:49] (upstream requested the exception) [07:53] ajmitch [07:54] ajmitch: nah, that was just my net connection going awol. === allee [n=ach@dialin-212-144-132-028.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:56] ah, the usual === ajmitch is getting ~1K/sec at the moment [07:56] fairly impressive upgrade, isn't it? [07:57] Oh yeah. === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-motu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doug_ [n=doug@c-67-166-143-230.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doug_ [n=doug@c-67-166-143-230.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === dewd_ [n=dewd@201.29.107.23] has joined #ubuntu-motu === allee [n=ach@dialin-212-144-132-028.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Konversation] === AstralJava [n=jaska@83.102.38.193] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dous [i=dous@202.175.214.54] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:05] if someone files a bug that is related to a package that isn't in ubuntu, is it perfectly okay for me to mark it wontfix? === TMM [n=hp@ip5650d1ab.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:07] dous: where did they file it ? [09:08] lifeless: malone [09:09] what source package did they file it on ? [09:09] lifeless: see 4195 it was filed on eclipse, but the details say that it conflicts with azureus [09:10] hmm, how did they figure that out/ [09:10] ? [09:11] and it was using a deb file from Debian...as per the wiki instructions [09:12] yes. so it's okay if I mark it wontfix? [09:12] since the software involved is unsupported [09:13] personally I would reject it on the basis the package didn't come from the ubuntu repos. We don't support everything written in the wiki :) [09:14] okay then.. thanks :) === Lure_ [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-motu === JohnnyMast [n=rave@84-104-9-27.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-099-248.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zakame [n=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:53] hi all === drew [n=drew@203-214-32-123.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:04] hi all [10:05] heya Toadstool === Gervystar [n=gervysta@217-133-96-194.b2b.tiscali.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gelrod [n=root@ip24-253-209-150.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gelrod [n=root@ip24-253-209-150.ok.ok.cox.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === magnon [n=co@c-a368e353.05-27-6f736c2.cust.bredband.no] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:26] sigh [10:26] i hate broken packages [10:26] :( [10:28] awww === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.211.136] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Haz3 [i=haze11@128.134.65.119] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:57] come one come all [10:57] everyone join the lifeless cheer squad === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:59] hopefully the CC members show === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:59] hi Seveas [10:59] ajmitch: Whats the big occasion? [10:59] TheMuso, CC meeting [11:00] hi [11:00] Oh ok. [11:00] TheMuso: just another CC meeting === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:04] lifeless: maybe in another 2 weeks? :) [11:05] ajmitch: meh. This one was at a good time ;) [11:05] do they often just awol ? [11:05] not usually === iceman [n=iceman@physInfo-mac26.ulb.ac.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === JohnnyMast [n=rave@84-104-9-27.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:13] question: what would be the new version of resolvconf if I touch it to fix malone 33362 [11:13] Malone bug 33362 in resolvconf "Runtime directory does not exist during /etc/rcS1.d/08loopback setup" [Normal,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/33362 [11:13] win 25 === jinty [n=jinty@135.Red-80-37-34.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveaz [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu === kelmo_lap [n=kel@madwifi/support/kelmo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === allee [n=ach@dialin-212-144-132-028.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pef [n=loic@ubuntu/member/pef] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:33] exists a policy for dapper to not ship python2.3 modules for dapper, only phython2.4? (python-numarray, doko dropped 2.3 in -2) [11:33] yes, we dont have python2.3 in dapper IIRC [11:33] we do, but in universe [11:34] since some packages (zope 2.8 being the prime culprit) still need it [11:34] oh right [11:34] I forgot about the black beast from hell [11:34] zope & plone are still popular :) [11:36] ajmitch: if 2.3 will only be in universe what happens with py modules in main? [11:36] there are no python 2.3 modules in main any more === allee checks where python-numarray is ... [11:37] in main === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:37] allee: what do you need python 2.3 for? [11:38] a science software astrowise (analyzing data from a teleskop soon mounted in chile) [11:38] ... but does that mean python2.3-numarray still exists in universe? [11:38] StevenK: nope [11:39] StevenK: the only way to get it into universe is to upload a new source package (evil, I know) === StevenK nods. [11:39] but that's what I have to upload to get zope working again :) [11:39] ajmitch. So that a problem. When a 2.3 module in universe depends on a module in main. BANG (see https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/matplotlib/+bug/37625/) [11:39] Malone bug 37625 in matplotlib python2.3-matplotlib "python2.3-matplotlib has unavailable dependencies" [Major,Confirmed] === ajmitch ought to get back to that [11:39] that's fallout from the recent changes [11:39] ajmitch: Same thing as main/non-free in Debian. [11:40] I'll have to talk to doko & see what we can do to fix those [11:40] allee: can your software work with python2.4 instead? [11:41] ajmitch: From INSTALL: 1) Install python 2.3.5 (currently < 2.4) [11:41] wonderful [11:41] yeah. [11:42] But to be fair it's a huge package (lot's of c binding too). I don't know what has changed in 2.3 -> 2.4. Maybe upgrade would be not trival. === FliesLikeABrick [n=Ryan@about/rpi/rawdor] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Ubugtu_1 [n=bugbot@81.171.100.21] has joined #ubuntu-motu === FliesLikeABrick [n=Ryan@about/rpi/rawdor] has joined #ubuntu-motu === paddy [i=paddy@unaffiliated/paddy] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freetux [n=freetux@rc137-1-82-233-159-138.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freetux [n=freetux@rc137-1-82-233-159-138.fbx.proxad.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Quitte"] [12:12] lifeless: congrats [12:13] easiest one I've seen for awhile :) [12:13] possibly I should not have been nervous.. heh. [12:14] and I think your packaging skills should hold up well for the TB meeting, being a DD [12:15] oh right, theres more :0 [12:15] yeah [12:15] where they grill you on whether you'll break the archive [12:15] heh. [12:16] looks like bug 2397 can be closed :) [12:16] Malone bug 2397 in pornview "Pornview segfaults at startup" [Normal,Fix committed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/2397 [12:17] done [12:17] bug 2397 [12:17] Malone bug 2397 in pornview "Pornview segfaults at startup" [Normal,Fix released] http://launchpad.net/bugs/2397 [12:17] great [12:19] ajmitch: so wheres the doco on the next step ? [12:20] found it [12:20] MaintainerCandidates [12:21] so, just add to the team, ... done [12:23] yeah [12:23] turn up at TB meeting [12:23] plead your case === G0SUB [n=ghoseb@ubuntu/member/g0sub] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jinty [n=jinty@135.Red-80-37-34.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:27] ajmitch: haha: YYYY-mm-dd at HHMMUTC [12:27] ajmitch: next meeting date [12:28] nice [12:30] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda === bpuccio [n=brian@ool-457a9c38.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B04FE.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jacob-wardell [n=jacob-wa@skegnessgrammar.plus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:08] hi === nomed [n=nomed@host3-61.pool8250.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:09] hello... [01:09] ? [01:09] hi all [01:09] morning [01:09] how are you? === jacob-wardell [n=jacob-wa@skegnessgrammar.plus.com] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === herzi_x41 [n=herzi@pD9E28AEB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lbm [n=lbm@x1-6-00-13-10-7a-d1-e4.k233.webspeed.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:22] how are obsolete files handled on the REVU web site? [01:23] we remove them if needed - the revu page shows current & archived packages [01:23] if an old version is there, it generally gets archived [01:26] ajmitch: please could you remove the pydev / eclipse-pydev packages? === bpuccio [n=brian@ool-457a9c38.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === koke [n=koke@ubuntu/member/koke] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:29] remove altogether, or just archive? === ajmitch has set as archived for now === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jinty [n=jinty@135.Red-80-37-34.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jdthood [n=jdthood@x086.decis.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === caravena [n=caravena@164.77.169.64] has joined #ubuntu-motu === kelmo [n=kelmo@madwifi/support/kelmo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === SEJeff [n=alicia@12-211-125-247.client.insightbb.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === truz24 [n=truz24@12-203-70-118.client.insightBB.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === iceman [n=iceman@physInfo-mac26.ulb.ac.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zakame [n=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:32] hi all === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:34] hi siretart , you about? === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:35] heya spacey kelmo Hobbsee [02:35] hey zakame [02:36] hi zakame [02:36] hi zakame [02:50] kelmo: I'm currently at work, and can't give much attention to irc [02:51] kelmo: I just read your email about the init script, I intended to answer the bugreports from earlier today this evening [02:51] ok, that is there just as a reminder [02:51] kelmo: my opinion about this is to install the init script in the examples/ dir with an explanation why [02:51] i await your response ; ) [02:51] I'll give you a short version [02:52] I don't think that we should install an init script [02:52] even disabled, because we cannot really provide a good roaming solution which integrates into the rest of the system [02:53] the current package is suitable for OTHER daemons to provide a decent roaming solution [02:53] enough said, that is fine with me [02:53] exactly my earlier point [02:53] i always hated that daemon [02:54] I think the solution joachim proposed (wifiroamd) is the way to go [02:54] kelmo: for the guy who rised that one bug to severity grave [02:55] kelmo: how do you think shipping the init script in the examples dir, provide some documentation, and close the bug [02:55] 100% comfortable with that [02:55] :) [02:56] ok, well, we may as well use that script you rewrote [02:56] that i fixed up a little bit [02:56] sure [02:56] and make a not in *modes [02:56] Toadstool: ping [02:56] zakame: pong [02:56] :) [02:56] that it lives in /examples for those that need it [02:57] s/not/note [02:57] if you have time and want to include it in our trunk/, just go for it, I won't get to it at least in the next 6 hours. perhaps only tomorrow [02:57] i have a little bit of time, at the cost of sleep [02:57] Toadstool: rock on for ebtables :) [02:57] that is cheap i think ; ) [02:58] siretart: have a good day then [02:58] I consider sleep precious *g* [02:58] zakame: well that was an easy fix :) [02:58] kelmo: thanks :) [02:58] yeah, too bad it was only until now that it got committed [02:59] it would have been in the archive a few days ago if I hadn't forgotten to change unstable to dapper in debian/changelog :/ [03:00] hehe, yeah I got that snag too [03:00] anyhow, is yann around? === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu === G0SUB [n=ghoseb@ubuntu/member/g0sub] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:04] hum I have to generate a file containing a base64 encoded key in a postinst script and I don't want my package to depend on openssl and use "openssl rand -base64 32", what do you think about something like "dd if=/dev/random bs=32 count=1 | uuencode -m file"? === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === janimo [n=jani@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:23] crimsun: ping === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === caravena [n=caravena@200.55.195.158] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hub [n=hub@storm-gw.xandros.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:33] Gloubiboulga: ping [03:33] janimo, pong [03:33] Hi Gauvain [03:33] hi :) [03:33] did you read the gnumeric mail [03:33] on their list? [03:33] yep, but it's not really clear to me [03:33] a bit conrradictory answers but in the end I think [03:34] yeah my thoughts as well [03:34] and he followed up in a personal mail which was again unclear [03:34] :( [03:34] maybe we could try to meet the devs on irc [03:35] Gloubiboulga: yes, good idea [03:35] janimo, I have time now... [03:35] ok, np I try [03:35] ah you _do_ [03:35] :) [03:35] yep, i *do* [03:35] I am logging in now to gnome.ner [03:35] net [03:36] hmm can I specify the server in a /join command? [03:36] it's /server [03:37] ok let's see if it does not log me out from here [03:38] janimo, the server is not gimpnet? [03:38] hmm yes, I think so [03:38] althoug I saw ref to gnome.net too [03:38] or org [03:38] irc.gimp.org [03:39] it works here :) [03:39] gnome.org here :) [03:44] siretart: i have tested and committed an alternative init script, that will be installed to the examples dir [03:44] siretart: i just ask that you add documentation/comments where neccessary please [03:44] siretart: or point out defficiencies to me if too busy [03:46] kelmo: thank you very much. will do that this evening [03:47] gn8 then === kelmo [n=kelmo@madwifi/support/kelmo] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Gone] [03:56] Gloubiboulga: uh, progress :) [03:56] janimo, yep :) [03:56] they know how to scare people :) [03:56] :D [03:56] it seems I am very bad at asking clear questions :) [03:57] it was clear to me :) [03:58] janimo, the guy you pinged is Ray? [03:58] yes [03:58] ok [03:58] since those are his initials I think [03:58] JHM Dassen [03:58] am writing a mail now === bddebian [n=bdefrees@mail.ottens.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:00] janimo, could you tell me why several files in /usr/bin in the xffm package are removed? [04:00] Gloubiboulga: haven;t looked at xffm at all [04:01] it is as it comes from debian (4.2.x) === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:01] Heya gang === TMM [n=hp@ip5650d1ab.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:01] hm [04:01] you mean current (broken) dapper package right? [04:01] hi bddebian [04:01] janimo, yes [04:01] Hello Gloubiboulga [04:01] janimo, I have a working deb here, but not clean yet [04:01] Gloubiboulga: that was always just synced, and epoch bumped but other than that I haver not looked at it === freetux [n=freetux@rc137-1-82-233-159-138.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:01] Gloubiboulga: how is xffm 4.3? have not tried to from svn either === freetux [n=freetux@rc137-1-82-233-159-138.fbx.proxad.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Quitte"] === ercin [n=ercin@81.214.221.240] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:02] hii [04:02] there's a stable release available and it works fine with our current Xfce [04:02] Hello ercin [04:02] is there a service like alioth for ubuntu? [04:04] ercin: not really as most ubuntu packages are minor mods of debian ones [04:05] but some groups (X, kernel) use their own repos for the ubuntu specific work [04:05] bddebian, thanks for the upload of my hibernate patch :) [04:05] Gloubiboulga: NP, thanks for the patch :) [04:06] it wasn't a hard one [04:07] janimo, we need a mirror for xgl/compiz/mesa packages [04:07] ercin: mirror? [04:07] for developing on those packages you mean? === FunnyLookinHat [n=FunnyLoo@167.246.8.60] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:08] janimo, actually quinnstorm need a mirror for her apt repository [04:08] and she is makin some contributions to the code [04:09] some kind of development [04:09] ercin: afaik, most people keep their contribs on their external webspaces [04:09] Put it on a wiki page? [04:09] but the revu people used to give web space for those not having any [04:10] revu? [04:10] ayaa she have some space but its reallly slowwwww [04:11] ercin: REVU if you wish :) [04:11] http://revu.tauware.de/ [04:11] janimo, ok thx [04:12] or ask around if nay motu has good bandwidth and sets up space for other motus [04:12] s/nay/any/ [04:17] was there an UVF exception filed for sysstat? === koke [n=koke@ubuntu/member/koke] has joined #ubuntu-motu === No1Viking [n=Viking@h-83-140-104-3.ip.cust.port80.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:26] Could anyone have a look at the texmaker package on REVU? [04:26] http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2059 [04:26] it's a new upstream release, and UVF has been accepted for it [04:26] a long time ago... [04:28] Gloubiboulga: Riddell says he uploaded in December. Is this a new version? [04:29] Gloubiboulga: does it still compile? there was an issue with texmaker that it didn't compile with qt 4.1 [04:30] bddebian, Riddell, it's a new version [04:30] it builds with qt 4.1 [04:30] Ah [04:30] Riddell: You wanna do it? [04:30] nope, busy [04:30] It's the main change since the previous version [04:31] 1.3-0? Isn't that the same? [04:32] we have 1.2.1 in dapper [04:32] Yeah, I just noticed that, sorry :-) [04:32] np :) [04:37] Newbie alert. Hi. I'm quite familiar with Debian. I'd like to become better acquainted with Ubuntu. I thought that I might be able to do that by doing MOTU work for a package in maintain in Debian. Can someone direct me to instructions on what I should do next? [04:42] jdthood, we use REVU (http://revu.tauware.de) to manage new packages in universe [04:42] you can have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU [04:42] jdthood, your package is not in ubuntu yet? [04:43] It's already in ubuntu. [04:43] However, it needs some adaptation. [04:43] Thanks for the URLs [04:43] np [04:43] what is your package? [04:43] resolvconf [04:44] jdthood: whoa, I just touched that today [04:44] -:) [04:44] that's why the nick sounded familiar [04:45] Maybe you fixed the error message at boot, then. :) [04:47] yes, that was fixed today, malone 33362 [04:47] Malone bug 33362 in resolvconf "Runtime directory does not exist during /etc/rcS1.d/08loopback setup" [Normal,Fix released] http://launchpad.net/bugs/33362 [04:48] Cool. Except that means I have to find some other learning exercise. [04:49] Ah, 33362 is fixed? === erez [n=erez@85-250-89-206.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:50] yup, thanks to sebastian kapfer [04:50] Sweet [04:51] Gloubiboulga: Building texmaker now [04:51] still waiting for the actuall install into the archive though [04:51] bddebian, ok [04:52] Bizarre. There is a discussion going on right now on ubuntu-devel about handling of /etc/resolv.conf. No mention of resolvconf. Is there some common knowledge about "resolvconf in ubuntu" that I'm lacking? [04:52] never heard of it [04:53] hmm, even so, I'm not aware of that... I'vebeen using resolvconf now even since sarge, and I haven't found any problems with it (even 33362 doesn'r bite much) [04:53] E.g., was any decision ever made about whether to integrate network-manager with it? [04:54] SFAIK it works properly with all network configurers and DNS caches in Debian, but network-manager development has been happening in ubuntu and I don't know where the relevant conversations are going on. [04:55] I believe that NM doesn't cooperate with resolvconf, but don't really know. [04:59] Ah, found it. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkMagic [04:59] "As the resolver will controlled entirely by dhcp3 or static configuration, no need for the resolvconf tool is forseen." [05:03] That's good news. A standard DHCP client will be used, and the standard DHCP clients already work properly with resolvconf if it's installed. === jgw [n=jgw@157.246.8.41] has joined #ubuntu-motu === janimo [n=jani@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === Anryla [n=anryla@81-226-249-139-no63.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:09] Gloubiboulga: Uploaded, thanks [05:09] bddebian, thanks :) === G0SUB [n=ghoseb@ubuntu/member/g0sub] has joined #ubuntu-motu === herzi [n=herzi@d060047.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TMM [n=hp@ip5650d1ab.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Jobman [n=Jobman@p508E5B9C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === JohnnyMast [n=rave@84-104-9-27.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying-ibook [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.36] has joined #ubuntu-motu === koke [n=koke@ubuntu/member/koke] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:36] Is this too much detail in a changelog for such a small change to a package? [05:36] graveman (0.3.12-4-2.1ubuntu2) dapper; urgency=low [05:36] * Change Icon=graveman in desktop/graveman.desktop.in [05:36] * Copy graveman48.png graveman.png [05:36] * Update desktop/Makefile.* to reflect filename change [05:36] * Closes Malone: #1849 [05:36] -- Barry deFreese Mon, 3 Apr 2006 11:32:31 -0400 [05:38] most probably [05:38] but of course, 'tis your call :) === pef [n=loic@ubuntu/member/pef] has joined #ubuntu-motu === seth [n=seth@ubuntu/member/seth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:43] gn8 all [05:43] night zakame [05:44] thanks Gloubiboulga === Lure [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:56] is there some utility to write a line like "-- Barry deFreese Mon, 3 Apr 2006 11:32:31 -0400" in the changelog? I've been doing it by hand every time, and it kinda sucks [05:56] trappist: dch -i [05:56] oh cool [05:57] The -i will automatically increment the version number though, so make sure you check it :-) [05:57] I usually do that too. I generally only submit debdiffs of pretty small changes, though, and I dunno what SOP is for that [05:58] bddebian: btw I replied to your reply on the list re: changelogs [06:07] if a bug is reported against breezy and it's fixed in dapper, should it be closed? === lakin [n=lakin@S01060013101832ce.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:13] trappist: I think so yes [06:13] trappist: and add -D dapper to be sure to have the correct distro set ;) [06:14] pef: thanks, I'll have a look at the man page - never heard of this tool until now [06:22] trappist: WRT changelogs, I usually do is this [06:22] if I don't have to change anything, I just sign and upload [06:22] if I have to change something I do my own changelog entry and add what the person contributed [06:23] it really depends on the change though ... [06:24] is this stuff documented anywhere? when to do what to the changelog? [06:24] no [06:24] LaserJock: aren't you the packaging guide guy? ;) [06:24] i often have one liner pending locally until a upload is justified by more changes for example ... [06:25] ogra: out of curiosity, do you mention that in bug reports? I often see bugs with fixes attached and no further comments [06:26] trappist, i usually mention the bugnumber in the changelog then ... [06:27] ogra: and the patch contributor's name, right? ;) === trappist is on a changelog attribution crusade [06:27] not if it was changed before already and the bug was in progress or fix pending ... [06:27] trappist: Did the submitter not have a changelog entry? [06:28] bddebian: I'm not referring to a specific case [06:28] its just a cornercase, but happens sometimes with xscreensaver for example, where i collect changes because 90% of them are very small ones [06:28] Ah, OK [06:29] imho even very small changes should be properly attributed [06:29] Hmm, maybe I shouldn't have copied graveman48.png to graveman.png? Now I get unrepresentable changes to source errors on build.. :-( [06:29] has the update-manager tool for upgrading from breezy to dapper already been uploaded to breezy-updates, or shall testers still use http://people.ubuntu.com/~mvo/backports/update-manager/? [06:29] hey bddebian1 [06:29] Heya siretart [06:30] I am so frickin happy with the new cupsys I'm going to cry [06:31] Damn I hate not having an Ubuntu box here at work.. :-( [06:31] trappist: this is how I usually do attribution https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/dapper-changes/2006-February/006344.html [06:31] I love working in an ubuntu shop :) === bddebian kicks trappist ;-) [06:32] LaserJock: I think that's awesome. I wish they were all like that. [06:32] trappist: honestly, I think most are. We slip sometimes but I think for the most part we try to give credit where credit is due [06:33] LaserJock: yeah in my experience most are. I got my diaper in a bit of a wad when a patch I was really proud of that took a lot of work had no attribution, and I'm suddenly sensitive to it. [06:33] trappist: You are Rocco? [06:34] yeah [06:34] Ahh [06:34] and you're Barry [06:34] Well python wasn't me ;-P === jgw_ [n=jgw@157.246.8.41] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:34] I assume [06:34] yeah I know :) [06:34] Yeah, I'm Barry [06:34] the Ubuntu go [06:34] d [06:34] pfft [06:35] heah man, you got me started in this whole MOTU thing, I have to say stuff like that ;-) [06:36] Heh, yeah, sorry for that ;-P [06:36] I'm just starting to get interested in the MOTU thing, now that I realize that so many of my favorite packages are in universe [06:37] bddebian, do it at build time (the copying, not in the source package) [06:42] ogra: By build time do you mean in the Makefile instead of in debian/rules? === jinty [n=jinty@135.Red-80-37-34.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:43] bddebian, nope i mean a cp in rules [06:43] or mv even [06:43] you can do it as well with a .install file or if you have with .files ... [06:44] there are many ways to achieve it ... [06:44] like everything else in packaging ;-) [06:44] But then the Makefile doesn't match the filename [06:44] but moving the png *in* the orig.tar.gz is surely the worst :) [06:44] copy it in the install target ;) === redguy [n=mati@adg121.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hub [n=hub@storm-gw.xandros.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu === akulah [n=akulah@86.34.246.232] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:53] how do I upload a package to REVU? [06:54] akulah: dput revu _source.changes [06:54] when I do: dupload packagename.changes it uploads it to ubuntu [06:54] server [06:56] hello! [06:57] akulah: Why are you using dupload instead of dput? === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:00] sory [07:01] Don't be sorry, both work, I was just asking === lbm [n=lbm@x1-6-00-13-10-7a-d1-e4.k233.webspeed.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lbm [n=lbm@x1-6-00-13-10-7a-d1-e4.k233.webspeed.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:24] can anyone tell me what sets my eth0 to 169.254.0.0 network even though I have a eth0 inet static section in my /etc/network/interfaces? === herzi [n=herzi@c205073.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === erez_ [n=erez@85-250-89-206.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:28] NM ? === MagicDvil [n=magicdvi@207.159-136-217.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === MagicDvil [n=magicdvi@207.159-136-217.adsl.skynet.be] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Quitte"] === orbital_fox [n=fox@80.176.4.173] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mitsuhiko is now known as dein_vibrator === dein_vibrator is now known as mitsuhiko === TMM [n=hp@c51471f2c.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nikolas_ [n=nick@unaffiliated/nicktastic] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dolson [n=dana@d235-185-252.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ZuZubuntu-fr [n=ZuZubunt@AVelizy-154-1-64-87.w83-199.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:49] anyone alive in here? [07:53] sort of === seth|lappy [n=seth@ubuntu/member/seth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:53] orbital_fox: Define alive :-) === ogra smells the 110 dead corpses === cassidy [n=cassidy@f1-pc174.ulb.ac.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:55] ogra: :) [07:57] Dapper has killed them all :( [07:57] six extra weeks has done the MOTU in ;-) [07:59] evil duck === Schugy [n=chris@Q0755.q.pppool.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:01] anyone here who can teach me how to use ./configure e.g. properly, sometimes i have some libs in /usr, /usr/local but when I simply change the prefix pkgconfig-pc-files are searched under the new prefix and not in /usr and /usr/local and so on... === fredix [n=fredix@202.70.97-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu === alleeHol [n=ach@dialin-212-144-132-028.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:12] is this channel ment to be just for developers? [08:17] Schugy: try ./configure --help for that [08:17] no idea [08:17] trappist: i haven't found it out in 5 years of --help [08:17] ok, got a debug log now [08:17] ops [08:17] sorry === dewd_ [n=dewd@201.29.107.23] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:17] wrong window [08:18] damn, i would like to specify a include, lib, bin dir for every single package [08:20] installing ekiga on wartyis a pain ^ [08:21] warty is nearly dead, why would someone want to do that ? [08:22] well, i would like to use a linux installation for 5-7 years just like others did with win2000, xp blabla.... [08:23] then use one thats supported for 5 years :) [08:23] warty will be shut down in [08:23] ~4 weeks [08:23] the only problem is that new software doesn't work with 5 year old glibc, gtk, gcc, alsa.... [08:23] and that you dont get any security uptdates etc ... [08:24] many projects use bleeding edge libraries [08:24] wartys 18 months are done ... [08:25] still wonder if it's really bad to have a five year old linux just like win xp [08:25] yes [08:25] yes [08:26] as long as you care about security it is [08:26] but maybe there have been 5 years of fixing bugs instead of producing new ones while devoloping new features [08:26] thats why we make upgrading from release to release so easy [08:27] warty wont see any bugfixes, security updates etc anymore [08:27] its dead [08:27] orbital_fox: sort of, people wanting to help out, etc. It isn't a support channel though [08:28] orbital_fox: also its meant for people who want to package stuff and seeking help in that regard [08:28] it always takes several weeks to make a new distro work like the old one [08:29] really ? did you try it with ubuntu ? === cyberix [n=cyberix@hoas-fe36dd00-251.dhcp.inet.fi] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [08:29] dvb. bluetooth, avm driver, philips webcam driver, xcdroast, webcam_server, mplayer, kde... [08:30] I used to be an xcdroast guy [08:31] for mplayer, if I just keep my ~/.mplayer/config and remember to install w32codecs I'm good [08:31] as long as you make sure ubuntu-desktop is installed, upgrades should be a no brainer ... note that no .deb will ever touch a user config change, sou your config will be preserverd === Lure [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:35] is mythtv in the universe now? well, there were quite many programs missing in warty :-) [08:36] its in universe since hoary, yes [08:37] cool [08:37] and vice c=64 emu? [08:38] was that missing in warty ? [08:38] just look at packages.ubuntu.com :) === thierry [n=thierry@modemcable178.142-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:39] in breezy... [08:39] not warty... [08:39] well, i see there was some progress [08:40] Hello thierry [08:41] oops, i've forgotten to select "any" [08:42] but i have 1.19 instead of 1.14 [08:44] but one essential seems to be still missing! === syntaxis [n=syntaxis@88.202.134.131] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:45] i've compiled the SuSE jstools from source for warty [08:45] i need jstest and jscal. really [08:45] and i've posted it in the forums ^^ [08:46] jscalibrator is just for a special joystick-lib [08:47] or is there anything else i don't know? === lbm [n=lbm@x1-6-00-13-10-7a-d1-e4.k233.webspeed.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:56] hi bddebian === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu === G0SUB [n=ghoseb@ubuntu/member/g0sub] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Anryla [n=anryla@81-226-249-139-no63.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:12] hi people [09:21] Hello phanatic [09:21] hey bddebian [09:21] have a nice evening [09:21] going already? [09:22] have a good evening dholbach :-) [09:22] bye LaserJock [09:22] "already"? [09:22] only 12:22pm here [09:22] i've been here since ~4:00 time :) [09:22] now it's 21:22 my time [09:22] arggh [09:23] poor dholbach :/ [09:23] yeah couldn't sleep [09:23] but i'll have no problems tonight [09:23] I should mention that on the "Ubuntu devs are never around" thread on the forums [09:25] maybe :) [09:25] Hehe [09:25] Later dholbach [10:14] morning [10:14] 'morning ajmitch [10:15] LaserJock: which forum thread was that again? :) [10:15] Heya ajmitch [10:16] And crimsun [10:16] hello bddebian [10:16] 'lo bddebian [10:16] ajmitch: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=153380 [10:16] ajmitch: You don't love me anymore :-) [10:17] bddebian: not when you complain like that [10:17] What am I complaining about now? You asked me to lookat Bugs assigned to MOTUs and I am doing so :-) [10:18] 08:16 < bddebian> ajmitch: You don't love me anymore :-) [10:18] LaserJock: oh I could go & explain why the forums just aren't attractive for developers to sit round & help out ;) === Jobman [n=Jobman@p508E5B9C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:20] ajmitch: well, I tried to make it sound friendly. I was a forums only guy once. [10:20] yeah [10:21] I try & do stuff on the forums every once in a while [10:21] but it's like spitting in the wind most days [10:21] & I can do more just as a developer [10:22] I can certainly understand that [10:22] usually it's just nagging them to file bugs [10:23] since they often seem unwilling to do that, preferring to just complain in yet another forum thread [10:23] it's a certain class of user that's attracted to the forums :) [10:23] What are you trying to say? :) [10:24] bddebian: that I'm bound by the CoC to not go much further [10:25] Heh [10:25] lol [10:25] well, I am interested in the people who are really interested [10:25] hm, should I join this NZ loco team, or would it be a waste of my time? ;) === JohnnyMast [n=rave@84-104-9-27.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:26] ajmitch: You should just fix bugs.. :-) [10:27] yeah === ajmitch had better go to uni & 'learn' stuff [10:29] maybe we should have a #ubuntu-motu LoCo team ;-) [10:29] since I swear it is a location [10:30] haha [10:30] it fits the crazy part of loco [10:30] yeah, since they dont' have crack teams ;-) [10:30] such a shame, that === ajmitch had better go [10:32] cya ajmitch [10:33] Later ajmitch [10:39] oy oy oy === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ohoel [n=beshy@proxy-gw.uib.no] has joined #ubuntu-motu === reda_ea [n=reda@adsl196-51-67-206-196.adsl196-3.iam.net.ma] has joined #ubuntu-motu === CarlFK [n=carl@c-67-163-39-124.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Surak [n=ubuntu@20132205140.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Surak [n=ubuntu@20132205140.user.veloxzone.com.br] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === nikolas_ [n=nick@unaffiliated/nicktastic] has joined #ubuntu-motu