[12:02] whats sabdfl's email address? mark@canonical.com? [12:04] jmg, that one would work [12:04] jmg, but his inbox is very crowded [12:05] maybe someone else can help? [12:07] Seveas: some canonical corp guy? [12:08] jmg, depending on what the issue is, several others can be able to help you. Would you mind telling why you want to contact mark? [12:08] business partnership? [12:08] is that acceptable? [12:09] hmm - i forgot who did that, sec. [12:09] thanks [12:09] jmg, seen this? http://www.ubuntu.com/partners/become - it suggests partners@ubuntu.com [12:09] Seveas: thanks [12:10] np [12:10] Seveas: and yes [12:10] Seveas: but i wanted to talk to sabdfl, just hoping he was online i guess [12:10] hehe - well not right now and he'll be travelling tomorrow [12:11] so partners@ may be your best bet at getting a response === minghua [n=minghua@danube.mems.rice.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:15] Seveas: Thanks again! [12:20] jmg: and if you're looking at hiring NZ developers.. ;) === didymo [n=ashley@CPE-61-9-197-223.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _ion [i=johan@kiviniemi.name] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bpuccio [n=brian@ool-457a9c38.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:24] ajmitch: maybe in 6 months :) === _human_blip_ [n=mike@mike.nelsonbay.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mindglow [n=mindglow@213.146.199.244] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === GmanAFK is now known as Gman === Aegir [n=richard@d58-105-36-34.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:01] good morning! [01:01] <_ion> Good night. === LeeJunFan_ [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _ion [i=johan@kiviniemi.name] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-devel === FunnyLookinHat [n=FunnyLoo@71.57.11.218] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bpuccio [n=brian@ool-457a9c38.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-209-217-124-167.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marcin` [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jono [n=jono@88-107-1-69.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:50] hi all [01:51] is anyone actively looking into https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gst-plugins/+bug/34597 ? [01:51] Malone bug 34597 in gst-plugins gstreamer-alsa "Cannot record using alsa + gstreamer framework" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [01:51] ahh heh === jono pats Ubugtu [01:54] not I said the pussy cat in the corner === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:03] heys sladen === truz24 [n=truz24@12-203-70-118.client.insightBB.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === yves [n=yves@unaffiliated/nictuku] has joined #ubuntu-devel === yves is now known as nictuku === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === holycow [n=a@mail.wjsgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:25] whens the next TB meeting ? [02:26] YYYY-mm-dd at HHMMUTC :-) === reda_ea [n=reda@adsl196-58-70-217-196.adsl196-11.iam.net.ma] has joined #ubuntu-devel === reda_ea [n=reda@adsl196-58-70-217-196.adsl196-11.iam.net.ma] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.211.136] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Aegir [n=richard@C1480153.wl148.flinders.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.3.153.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@mail.ottens.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gwynn [n=hwyvar@cp106356-c.tilbu1.nb.home.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === OgMaciel [n=omaciel@ubuntu/member/gnukemist] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:02] anyone from Boston going to Linux World tomorrow? === slomo__ [n=slomo@p5486F8D3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel === licio [n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mat [n=mat@igoan/mat] has joined #ubuntu-devel === FunnyLookinHat [n=FunnyLoo@71.57.11.218] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Aegir [n=richard@C1480153.wl148.flinders.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ohoel [n=beshy@85.164.248.169] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-devel === asw [n=asw@karuna.med.harvard.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.36] has joined #ubuntu-devel === christophe971 [n=Christop@APointe-a-Pitre-104-1-10-177.w81-248.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === christophe971 [n=Christop@APointe-a-Pitre-104-1-10-177.w81-248.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === inflate [n=inflate@212.76.77.248] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=nico@p508D9A85.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === inflate [n=inflate@212.76.77.248] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === mhz [n=mhz_chil@moinmoin/fan/mhz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Aegir [n=richard@C1480153.wl148.flinders.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === CarlFK [n=carl@c-67-163-39-124.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:50] how can I see all bugs ever reported on a given package in malone? clicking "all bugs ever reported" only shows open bugs. === FliesLikeABrick [n=Ryan@about/rpi/rawdor] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:10] trappist: try https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source//+bugs-advanced-search [06:11] morning guys === `anthony [n=anthony@ekorp-203-63-137-225.eoff.ekorp.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:13] LaserJock: yeah, found that. guess that's a bug on malone. === wasabi [n=wasabi@c-71-199-216-244.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi [n=wasabi@c-67-166-206-241.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan_ [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:36] mdke_: bug 28512; this is a bug in installation-guide. Mainpackage is the first package in the control file and debhelper is behaving according to spec here. [06:36] Malone bug 28512 in installation-guide "unexpected debhelper behavior renders postinst inoperative" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/28512 === FliesLikeABrick [n=Ryan@about/rpi/rawdor] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.36] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman is now known as GmanAFK === wasabi [n=wasabi@c-67-166-206-241.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:01] jdub: ping [07:04] jdub: I keep checking my feed, no idea why it's blowing up planet ubuntu, so if it's too painful remove me temporarily please. === janimo [n=jani@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j^_ [n=j@e178003106.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chris38-home2 [n=Christia@mut38-4-82-233-119-151.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:43] hi all === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B04FC.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:56] good morning [08:00] morning === _ion [i=johan@kiviniemi.name] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:06] Hey dholbach. === G0SUB [n=ghoseb@ubuntu/member/g0sub] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:07] hi TheMuso === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:07] hey TheMuso [08:07] fabbione: i just forgot about the server test - yes our server is god personified as a distribution cheers [08:09] hmm, why doesn't install nvidia-glx also enable it? [08:12] jsgotangco: there is another test you can do :) [08:12] jsgotangco: at the install prompt select lamp [08:12] that should auto-install apache+mysql+php5 [08:13] fabbione: i actually installed lamp [08:13] it works [08:13] perfect [08:13] great [08:14] my co worker fainted when she saw mysql5 and php5 working ot of the box [08:15] eheh [08:16] jsgotangco: So, she's easily impressed? [08:16] jsgotangco: I'll happily take credit anyway. [08:16] it doesn't have modrewrite and mod python but easily remedied [08:16] not all lamp installations need it anyway [08:16] rewrite is include, just not enabled by default. [08:17] heya infinity [08:17] (because rewrite is a resource hog, and most people who thing they need it don't, so I prefer not to encourage it) [08:17] s/thing/think/ [08:17] infinity: if you could find time to spin a xubuntu live I'd appreciate it :) [08:17] infinity: you better get these credits :) you deserve them [08:18] KaiL: I can't really auto-enable nvidia-glx or fglrx without first tearing some holes in dexconf, so I can re-seed it in filthy ways in my postinsts. It was on my TODO list, but not particularly high up there. [08:18] infinity, ah, ok [08:19] I might have found a card, on which the "nv"-driver fails... GeForce 6700 XT (some Medion-special-thing) [08:19] KaiL: Now that all the drivers are modular, it makes sense to rethink the thing a bit anyway, so it may not happen until dapper+1. [08:19] KaiL: also because auto-enabling means changing a config file that the user might not want changed [08:20] KaiL: Things like "well, with modular drivers, does that mean that if you explicitly install one, you want it to become the default?" [08:20] most likely yes [08:20] jdub, is the xubuntu flight 6 announce to be sent to u-announce? [08:20] but potentially no [08:20] fabbione: Well, hence why I was going to do it via dexconf, so I could pre-seed the driver (and some module enable/disable action), and only have the config regenerated if it was auto-generated in the first place. [08:21] Xorg and it's hardware detection is really a problem :( [08:21] but if 'no' you would now what you're doing [08:21] fabbione: But it's sketchy at best, and not something I've bothere to pout any real thought into. [08:21] infinity: nvidia-thingy enable does that [08:21] it preseed debconf -> dexconf and regenerate the config [08:21] the best thing whould be, if udev could re-set the driver to the best one on every boot... [08:21] KaiL: In the case of nvidia/nv or fglrx/radeon, Xorg autodetection won't fix anything anyway, cause you're still talking about having two drivers to drive the same card. [08:22] but would help at least against the "no X at all"-Problem, if you change the card [08:23] fabbione: Oh, that's right, it DOES do it correctly now. What it doesn't do (and the reason I wanted to muck with it) is disable modules that are incompatible with nvidia. [08:23] the best would be, if Xorg itself would do an auto-detection, including fallbacks to vesa and vga [08:23] I think the world agrees with you, and it's been said many times before. [08:24] None of that produces working code, though. [08:24] infinity: right, but actually.. it works perfectly fine here... even with these modules loaded [08:24] infinity: and modules are preseedable [08:24] fabbione: Even accelerated? [08:25] infinity: very easily [08:25] infinity: i think so.. how can i check? [08:25] fabbione: If so, then nvidia has fixed that, and I don't give a shit anymore. :) [08:25] it's not like i spend my day playing quake3 [08:25] which modules are that? [08:25] fabbione: I dunno, if you don't have any fancy 3D games around, just run glxgears and see if it seems appropriately smooth and silky and such. [08:25] (Very scientific, I know) [08:26] glxgears come on [08:26] hah [08:26] infinity: glxgears crashes here due to the multi-multi-multi-head setup [08:26] well for stats yeah [08:26] fabbione: Oh, special. [08:26] infinity: yeah. [08:26] infinity: well only in fullscreen [08:26] I'll have to re-test this whole mess on Zofia's machine soon then, before I put those bugs to rest. [08:26] otherwise is smooth and soft [08:26] fabbione, another big issue on Xorg - there are many usefull extentions, but many of them are incompatible to each other... [08:27] Xinerama, DRI/GLX, RANDR, RENDER, COMPOSITE... [08:27] KaiL: not all of them... [08:27] i use Xinerama+dri/glx [08:27] at least [08:27] probably more [08:27] And RandR. [08:27] yes, some work [08:27] Everyone uses RandR.l [08:28] Render and Composite are entirely dirver-dependant, and either work or don't. [08:28] but Xinerama + Randr doesn't work (at least on i810) [08:28] KaiL: You mean, eg, using RandR to resize the individual Xinerama surfaces? [08:28] yes [08:28] KaiL: I suspect that's more of a missing feature than an incompatibility. [08:29] or that [08:29] I suspect no one cares because Xinerama is a broken and hideous spec that should just get eaten by the RandR engine over time anyway. [08:29] ;) === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AndyFitz [n=andy@cust1772.qld01.dataco.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marilize [n=marilize@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:39] Mithrandir, ok, I guess I got the wrong bug? this is a bug on ubuntu-docs assigned to you. i'll dig out the number [08:40] Mithrandir, bug #27906 [08:40] Malone bug 27906 in kubuntu-docs "Typo in kubuntu-docs" [Normal,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/27906 === AndyFitz [n=andy@cust1772.qld01.dataco.com.au] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === carlos [n=carlos@56.Red-88-4-2.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:51] is k3b hosed in current dapper [08:51] or is it the kernel + cdrecord? === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _TomB [n=ownthebo@ACD43B0F.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:57] good morning world [08:57] jmg: cdrecord worked fine last time I tried, what are the issues you're experiencing ? [08:57] mdke_: no, it's the right bug. mdz assigned it to me last night. [08:58] Mithrandir, are you perhaps talking about a different bug? [08:58] we may be at cross-purposes [08:58] mdke_: I'm not talking about the kubuntu-bugs one, no. [08:59] ok, I'm not sure I can help with installation-guide, but Ill give it my best shot, what's up? [08:59] mdke_: but as you noted in the bug log, the docteam doesn't touch that package. Do you know who does? [09:00] Mithrandir, yes, Kamion [09:00] heh, 'k [09:00] and thereby me, I presume. [09:00] is he off? [09:00] no, but I'm also part of the installer team [09:01] oh right. Dude you're on all the teams [09:03] heh :-) === mvo [n=egon@p54A655DC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ajmitch [n=ajmitch@port169-135.ubs.maxnet.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === G0SUB [n=ghoseb@ubuntu/member/g0sub] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pvanhoof [n=pvanhoof@mailhost.newtec.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Pygi [n=mario@83-131-243-116.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:34] Seveas: around? === j^_ is now known as j^ === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-067-221.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.36] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:42] ajmitch: ping [10:00] infinity, ping === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:02] Mithrandir: I've been thinking of reorganising the espresso source package === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:03] Mithrandir: I'm increasingly fed up with having to create .debs out of everything and its wife in the installer, and I note that the partman source package already takes the approach of "automatically merge a load of other source packages into this one and rebuild them" [10:03] Kamion, thanks for the iso builds. Can yesterday's images be tagged as flight 6 so they have a permanent link? [10:04] they seem to be installable by a couple of accounts [10:04] Mithrandir: what do you think of just fetching all the source packages for all the installer bits at espresso source package upload time, and moving all the espresso component bits into the main source package? [10:04] janimo: it's very irregular for the very first build to end up as Flight N; I was expecting you to target Flight 7 [10:04] particularly since e.g. some bits of the installer have moved on from Flight 7 [10:04] from Flight 6 [10:05] Kamion, ah. that's because first builds rarely work ;) [10:05] indeed [10:05] but ok then I'll target f 7 [10:05] still, I suppose it's possible, just surprising [10:05] well people installed it and they say it's just fine [10:05] and two extra weeks of testing time for those waiting for iso-s seem tot be worth it [10:06] fair enough [10:09] mvo, morning and daily pokage ;) [10:09] pitti, hi === vuntz_ [n=vuntz@volin.imag.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:09] hey janimo [10:09] there was a problem with at_console you discussed with mjg59 a few days ago [10:09] yep [10:09] I am wondering if what I see is related [10:09] is an external CD drive supposed to be listed by fstab? [10:09] after killing gdm and logginh into xfce via startx [10:10] I no longer have the right to shutdown [10:10] hal and system dbus were not restarted === sivang hugs pitti [10:10] janimo: why should they? [10:10] is dbus-send the best way to test this? [10:10] hi sivang [10:10] pitti, no they shouldn't I am just saying [10:10] janimo: no idea, but that sounds like a gdm issue rather [10:11] is soemthing in the at_console privileges tied to gdm or the 7th console? [10:11] pitti, ok I'll look at the sources involved [10:12] janimo: no, I don't think so [10:12] Kamion: should https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/37673 be reassigning to some installer part or it's NOTABUG? [10:12] Malone bug 37673 in gnome-applets "disk mount applet always shows an "cdrom1" device that doesn't exist." [Normal,Needs info] [10:12] janimo: it's just used for g-p-m, g-v-m, and network-manager [10:12] Kamion: external CD listed by fstab [10:12] pitti, and hal for shutdown? [10:12] (so the guy still gets a volume icon when there is no CD drive plugged) [10:13] janimo: no [10:13] or that is via g-p-m [10:13] janimo: good morning :) [10:13] janimo: yes, g-p-m needs to go through hal [10:13] janimo: but AFAIK gdm shuts down directly, not via hal (right, seb128?) [10:14] pitti: correct [10:14] pitti, hal has policy at_console="true" in it's dbus conf, that's what I meant [10:14] seb128: either partman or notabug, not quite sure this early in the morning [10:15] Kamion: I'll reassign to partman so, feel free to reject it [10:15] janimo: Xubuntu livefs is on my TODO, but it's #3 on the list or so (I assume that's what the ping was for) [10:15] infinity: right, but not hurry. thanks [10:15] janimo: yes, that's for apps that want to use hal to do power management [10:16] maswan: would you be so kind as to kick off a mirror of http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/dapper/flight-6/ ? [10:16] pitti, rigth, the xfce logout is directly calling hal. I'll investigate, since it does not seem to affect gnome [10:17] janimo: then this could be related to that bug [10:17] pitti, is it written up somewhere? if not I'll search irclogs [10:17] janimo: it's a race condition right now; if you hit an unlucky time, the foreground console at the time the login manager restarts might be wrong [10:17] and also is this ubuntu specific or hal upstream at_console prob? [10:17] Kamion: Regarding that Flight6-on-i2o bug, I can't see how we're missing adding the module to the initrafms, if the LiveCD works (as he claims), and an espresso install from Live works (again, his claim), it's only a system created from d-i that seems to explode on him... [10:17] janimo: bug 37181 [10:17] Malone bug 37181 in dbus "at_console does not adapt to console changes" [Major,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/37181 [10:18] pitti, thanks [10:18] janimo: ubuntu specific [10:19] in my case there's no 'login manager'.Is it used in a braoder sense here, does startx qualify? [10:19] infinity: could be the RAIDness instead, I was just guessing at i2o [10:19] Kamion: done [10:19] infinity: espresso doesn't support RAID so that would be the differentiator [10:19] maswan: thanks [10:19] Kamion, thanks [10:21] any ubuntu-announce moderators here? I'd like to announce xubuntu f6. Also if the text needs preview before sending I'd appreciate someone looking over it [10:21] Kamion: But it shouldn't be using software md anyway... Hrm. === G0SUB [n=ghoseb@ubuntu/member/g0sub] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:21] Kamion: Achwell, I'll try to squeeze some more info from him before we pick someone to blame. [10:22] janimo: please wait until maswan's finished mirroring [10:22] Kamion, oh sure I won't announce till this evening [10:22] janimo: you should also just send rather than try to find a moderator first; I'll review your text if you like [10:22] just wanted to know who to talk to before that [10:22] this is appropriate for -announce, no need to find a moderator [10:31] infinity: can you point me to a copy of the sources.list used by the buildds? [10:31] infinity: for a breezy-security upload [10:32] Sure. [10:32] infinity: trying to work out what a debian-installer upload to breezy-security will do [10:32] (apart from horribly confuse us all) [10:33] deb http://jackass.ubuntu.com/ breezy main [10:33] deb-src http://jackass.ubuntu.com/ breezy main [10:33] deb http://jackass.ubuntu.com/ breezy-security main [10:33] deb-src http://jackass.ubuntu.com/ breezy-security main [10:33] deb-src http://jackass.ubuntu.com//security/ breezy-security/ [10:34] The only problem you'll have is if you need to do more than one upload where A build-deps on B, since we don't have binaries in accepted to build from. [10:34] pitti's pre-publishing to avoid that [10:34] So, you need to get me or pitti to silently release the binaries from A before you can build B. [10:34] Yeah, cool. No big deal. [10:34] Kamion, janimo: done [10:35] infinity: just did so [10:35] maswan: thanks [10:35] infinity: binaries will be there in 55 minutes [10:35] only install isos, right? [10:35] Kamion: do you plan on adding debian #348509 to dapper? [10:35] maswan: cheers; yes, just install [10:35] Error: I tried to send you an empty message. [10:35] infinity: (yay LP turnaround) :/ [10:35] pitti: 55 minutes? They're there now, dude. [10:35] tepsipakki: yeah, it's on my to-do list [10:35] infinity: not in the archive [10:35] infinity: I just uploaded them to LP [10:35] pitti: security builds from jackass, publishing to jackass is instant. Or is jackass only a mirror now? [10:35] Kamion: great news :) [10:36] infinity: it's just a staging server now [10:36] infinity: after amber, the next LP security upload cronjob runs at :45, then the publisher in cron.daily at :00 [10:37] I'd be curious about that, actually, since amber still goes through the motions of publish/apt-ftparchive/etc before the upload to drescher. === LeeJunFan_ [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:40] infinity: do you happen to plan a svn merge/sync to debian soon? [10:41] infinity: if not, I'd like to grab the RPATH fix from -5 and apply it to our current version [10:41] infinity: I sponsored the Debian upload and tested it pretty thoroughly [10:45] hi all [10:45] any ideas how i can install to an lvm from flight6? espresso isnt handling lvm correctly [10:46] jmg: by design, espresso does not support LVM or RAID. Use the traditional installer. [10:46] pitti: I had a couple more fixes I wanted to get into upstream SVN before syncing. It the rpath thing urgent for you, or just annoying? [10:46] Kamion: how do i launch it from flight6? [10:46] jmg: grab the install CD, not the live CD [10:46] infinity: it should be fixed for dapper, but not terribly urgent [10:46] boot from it [10:46] Kamion: damn ok [10:47] infinity: the /tmp rpath shouldn't affect us since we rebuild binaries [10:47] infinity: but having rpaths in the apache library at all is still ugly [10:47] Kamion: i see espresso is written in python. i could fix the lvm support :) [10:47] pitti: Having RPATH anywhere is ugly. [10:47] jmg: it uses bits of the traditional installer for partitioning support, and gparted for manual partitioning; believe me it will be tortuously hard === jmg files bug against the livecd to get text installer launched as well [10:48] jmg: please don't bother [10:48] added* [10:48] jmg: it's not possible [10:48] Kamion: it sort of supports lvm already though [10:48] we do not have room on the CD [10:48] jmg: that's a bug [10:48] Kamion: the other components are already there [10:48] no they aren't [10:48] how does espresso do the install then? [10:48] it copies the live filesystem [10:48] magic? [10:48] i see [10:49] the traditional installer requires a pool of .debs [10:49] so i really am better off getting the install cd ;) [10:49] yes [10:49] we don't have space to put them both on the one CD, I'm afraid [10:49] is espresso the gui installer for dapper? [10:49] the only LVM "support" I'm aware of in espresso is that it will probably display existing LVM PVs [10:49] or just the quick-hack-copy-livecd-image installer? [10:49] we're referring to it as the "live CD installer" [10:49] it displays two lvs [10:49] but yeah [10:50] and then tries to format them as disks :/ [10:50] jmg: oh, in gparted? [10:50] before gparted [10:50] ok, that's just a bug [10:50] I don't have time to make LVM support work properly; I'd rather it didn't work at all than half-worked [10:50] Kamion: *nods* i could add a check to see if the disk is lvm and remove it from the list if requred [10:51] mm, it's messy to do in espresso, would fit better in partman [10:51] ... somewhere [10:51] heh [10:51] ok [10:52] well i really like drake [10:52] but sure, that approach would be reasonable, noting that the code is shared with the traditional installer so it can't just be unconditional removal [10:53] but i dont get the aero glassalike theme [10:53] at least placement etc [10:53] and size [10:53] ok rebooting === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:54] hmm, I think this might need to go in parted_devices.c [10:54] the deeper the better ... === pitti fixes password leakage in samba === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:56] meh, d-i, wpasupplicant, samba - keeping passwords secret is not our greatest strength ATM :/ [10:57] pitti: Hrm? [10:57] pitti: What's there to fix? [10:57] pitti: oh, I haven't uploaded to dapper yet, that's what. [10:57] infinity: http://us1.samba.org/samba/security/CAN-2006-1059.html [10:57] pitti: It's sitting here, pending me merging another patch. I wouldn't bother, unless you think it's uber-urgent. [10:58] infinity: oops, sorry, too late; I just uploaded it [10:58] Oh, alright then. [10:58] infinity: feel free to just ignore the current version and changelog if you'll upload 3.0.22 then === herzi [n=herzi@c205073.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:58] pitti, I assume you have the same objections against xubuntu-system-tools for main as for evince-gtk, given it's a fork/dupe of gnome-system-tools? [10:59] janimo: yes, in principle - how big is the diversion? [10:59] next is nautilus-gtk and evolution-gtk :p [10:59] pitti, smaller than for evince [10:59] pitti: Oh, if you've seen the log bypass vuln for MySQL 5.0, you can happily ignore that too, it's going in my next upload... [10:59] (The upload I'd be doing if my laptop would stop overheating..) [10:59] seb128: nautilus and evolution are _definitely_ not getting into xubuntu [10:59] janimo: ... multibuild [10:59] soon gnome-desktop-gtk is coming :) [10:59] infinity: yes, it was next on my list; thanks :) [11:00] pitti, yeah I'll look at cdbs multibuild as cdbs2 is not ready [11:00] janimo: or just do it the old way then [11:00] seb128: really you mentioned the two apps are the least appealing for a gtk-only version ;) [11:00] top 3 in gnome bugzilla, no thanks :) [11:00] janimo: guess what, that was on purpose [11:00] :p [11:00] I know [11:01] what media player do you use? [11:01] are you going to rebuild totem with gtk? :) [11:01] pitti: Have you confirmed that it doesn't affect MySQL 4.x? If not, I'll poke that in a bit. [11:01] infinity: no, I just wanted to ask yo [11:01] you [11:01] infinity: but let me dig that out then [11:01] pitti, "or just do it the old way then" ? what do you mean [11:01] debhelper probably [11:01] janimo: good ol' debhelper [11:02] pitti: if you start switching GNOME packages from cdbs to debhelper I'll not be happy :p [11:02] pitti, but that means debian maintainers of said package go to debhelper. [11:02] pitti: Upstream only applied the fix to the 5.x branch, so I think I'll actually have to look at the code to see if it affect 4.0/4.1 (I don't tend to trust upstreams when they claim "only affects foo") [11:02] anyway I mailed g-s-t maintainer but no response so far [11:02] infinity: indeed, we had such cases with mysql before [11:03] seb128: I just saw the media player q [11:03] right now it's xfmedia [11:03] pitti: Right, I'll look at it after I finish testing 5.0, then, and upload to warty/hoary/breezy if necessary. [11:03] infinity: http://rst.void.ru/papers/advisory39.txt <- yay, my Russian is far from good enough to decipher that :) [11:03] but I don;t like it much. another could be plain xine-ui or gxine [11:03] infinity: thanks [11:03] janimo: hm, true, converting gnome packages to debhelper is bad [11:04] janimo: but it shold be no problem (just a bit ugly) to get the same effect with cdbs rules - you have to write the unpack and build code anyway (with debhelper, too) [11:05] pitti, yes. Need to see which is the lesser evil: dup source packages or uglier rules in someone else's package [11:06] janimo: the latter IMHO [11:06] pitti, IMHO too, but it invloves other people who have the most say init I think [11:06] janimo: why, we can fork it for ubuntu === sabdfl [n=mark@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mae [n=mae@136.168.244.23] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Seveaz [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel === OculusAquilae [n=oculus@pD95097B3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.3.153.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:21] Kamion: (re merging espresso): I'd be quite happy with it. === niven [n=niven@toronto-HSE-ppp4025048.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua_@221.172.50.81] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:24] where do I mail UVF exception requests? === Kinnison [n=dsilvers@haddenham.pepperfish.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:25] jordi: main? universe? [11:25] dholbach: main, I guess. It's the aspell/myspell Catalan dictionary. [11:26] current in Debian/Ubuntu is the horror, I just fixed it. [11:26] jordi: then it's cjwatson and mdz [11:26] It's named 0.5-1, but it's just text files that change. [11:26] ok, will try those. [11:26] is there a wiki page, or email? === simira [n=simira@194.24.252.250] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:33] Mithrandir: yeah, I think it might make it easier for third parties to hack on it privately too (although increases the risk of the result being a mess, but I think we have to live with that) [11:33] I'll have a look at it soon [11:33] jordi: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources [11:35] doko, ping [11:36] doko, bug 37545, you seem to run the ati driver, could you try with "radeon" in xorg.conf ? [11:36] Malone bug 37545 in gnome-screensaver "hitting a key while the "ants" screensaver is running terminates the X-session" [Major,Needs info] http://launchpad.net/bugs/37545 [11:36] thanks Kamion === ajmitch [n=ajmitch@port169-135.ubs.maxnet.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:37] Kamion: I'll give this a few days of testing in unstable. [11:38] Why is my screen suddenly all messed up when shuting down the system? [11:38] Looks a bit like the startup-screen, but with text scrolling all over it and the colors all wrong. [11:39] ogra: will try, but that's what the autoconfiguration did detect [11:40] doko, yes, but i had other bugs with the same effect ... apparently the autoconfiguration is a bit outdated === Kagou [n=Kagou@84.5.144.230] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:42] hi [11:43] Any idea which distro I can use to fix up my LVM? Dapper coredumps when trying, breezy does not work at all with the HDD. === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jinty [n=jinty@135.Red-80-37-34.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:46] Mithrandir: hi hi, around? ^_^ [11:46] Pygi: yes, but a bit busy. [11:47] Mithrandir: will talk later then... [11:51] mvo, would there be an interest in a unionfs patch to pbuilder, as I see there are ubuntu specific bits in it? [11:53] hunger: have you tried to work out what bit of pvmove segfaults? [11:53] janimo: have you looked into schroot/sbuilds capabilities for building on lvm snapshots? great stuff! :) [11:53] janimo: I think he's currently working on some bugs ;) [11:53] janimo: the patches I applied so far are very little changes, good value :) I may apply the unionfs patch if it's not too instrusive [11:54] siretart, not for sbuilds specifically just to make tar extraction go away [11:54] and have not looked at lvm [11:54] siretart: are those in pbuilder now in debian? [11:55] janimo: I don't think so. I switched from pbuilder to sbuild on my laptop. but schroot can also extract chroots from tarballs, if you like that [11:55] janimo: any reason you couldn't do cdbs multibuild by creating two extra debian/rules-* files which are basically ordinary debian/rules files except that they use a different build directory, and a very simple debian/rules file which just calls both subrules files in succession? [11:55]