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nictukuhi.02:15
nictukuLaserJock, remember that python version issue we were discussing yesterday?02:16
nictukuLaserJock, that is solved by using python-support02:16
nictukuSeveas, are you around?02:25
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bddebianHey folks02:59
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bddebianHeya gang03:00
OgMacielanyone from Boston going to Linux world tomorrow?03:00
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LaserJocknictuku: yeah03:19
nictukuwith python-support we can drop all that python2.* confusion03:19
ajmitchafternoon03:22
ajmitchand a nice, wet afternoon it is here03:24
bddebianHeya ajmitch03:29
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bmontyevening everyone03:52
bddebianHeya bmonty03:56
bmontybddebian: are you uploading packages without attributing the patches again? :)03:57
bddebianNot if I can help it03:58
ajmitchas long as he's checking the patches thoroughly as well.. ;)03:59
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bmontydo we prefer attribution by putting the patch author's name as the person who made the change or just mention them in the text of the log?04:02
bddebianajmitch: Oh, I'm supposed to check them? ;-P04:03
bmontyI've done both, and had people do both for me04:03
ajmitchbddebian: it does help..04:05
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GTswaggerWould anybody be willing to upload the LiSt (linux-stats.org) client for review and (hopefully) inclusion into the main repository?06:07
GTswaggerThere is a .deb file available here:  http://linux-stats.org/index.php?c=download06:07
crimsun...into main?06:08
crimsunwhy main?06:08
crimsun(we deal with universe and multiverse here)06:08
GTswaggersorry, I use Gentoo and I'm very unfamiliar with Ubuntu... somebody suggested I come here if I wanted to see that this new project makes into Ubuntu's software stack06:09
GTswaggerumm... added to the equivalent of the "extra repositories" in SuSe and Fedora?  :)06:09
crimsunright, well, you really should put it on REVU06:10
crimsunsee http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU06:10
GTswaggerREVU -- this?  http://revu.tauware.de/index.py06:11
crimsunyes.06:11
GTswaggerDoes it use Launchpad for logging in ... or developers only... or?06:12
crimsunjust sign up for an acct. You need a GPG key.06:14
GTswaggerok -- subscribing now06:17
GTswaggeralright -- I subscribed to the mailing list -- but I'm still somewhat at a loss for how to upload something to that page -- send it to the mailing list?  I'm assuming the login at the top of REVU is for devs?06:20
crimsunyou need to wait for your GPG key to be added.06:20
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bddebianAck, 1:00am I gotta get my old ass to bed.  Gnight folks06:55
crimsun'night, bddebian06:56
bddebianLater crimsun06:56
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zakamehi MOTUs!07:43
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dholbachheya motu world!07:56
zakamehello dholbach!07:57
dholbachheya zakame07:58
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akulahwhen i build a .deb package that is not even in debian sid how do I do to name it package0.1ubuntu1?08:00
freeflyingakulah: if you build for ubuntu , than use 0ubuntu108:01
akulahok! but how do I do it08:02
lifelessfreeflying: that does not match everything in the archive08:02
freeflyinglifeless: he mean that the package not in debain08:02
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lifelessfreeflying: right. look at other packages not in debian. I don't recall them having ubuntu suffixes08:03
freeflyinglifeless: if the package not in debain , or you'd have patch for ubuntu only m then we'd add the suufixes08:04
lifelessfreeflying: mmm. I'm very not sure of that.08:04
lifelessajmitch: any comment ? or dholbach ?08:04
dholbachhm?08:05
freeflyinglifeless: we have policy for ubuntu , so you may get it on wiki  ,hehe08:05
dholbachif you make changes for ubuntu you add ubuntu1 if it's not there yet, if it's there you use ubuntu<n+1>08:06
lifelessdholbach: yes yes, this is not 'make changes for ubuntu'08:06
lifelessdholbach: this is 'upload only to ubuntu'08:06
dholbachif it's a no-change upload, you use build<n+1>08:06
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lifelessdholbach: and I'm going off of an example by mdz when I query this, not because I suddenly wanted to be difficult08:11
dholbachI never said you are being difficult08:13
lifelessdholbach: I'm just explaining ;)08:13
dholbachsure, you can differ from that scheme, if you're sure it won't end up in Debian08:14
dholbachmost packages of that sort are native packages08:14
lifelessfreeflying: the wiki is big, if you point someone at it please give a hint for the page, or the url. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New/Policy is what I think you meant and it answers my question08:14
lifelessdholbach: yes, that makes sense to me.08:14
dholbachxorg otoh was not :)08:16
dholbachand they still chose to use 6.x.x-<n>08:16
akulahEX: I want to build a new package but it can't be found in Ubuntu or Debian and I want to add th ubuntu suffix to the package name08:18
akulahhow do I do that?08:18
freeflyingakulah: you'd find if it is in debian08:18
akulahI mean do I have to change the rules file or what?08:18
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akulahand if it isn't in debian08:20
akulah?08:20
freeflyingakulah: you mean it is in debian now ?08:20
akulahno it is not in debian unstable08:20
freeflyingyou build it from scratch ?08:21
akulahyes08:21
akulahI wanted to upload it to REVU08:21
freeflyingchange it in debian/changelog08:22
akulahaha08:22
akulahI get it08:22
akulahtnx08:22
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siretarthi10:01
siretartdoes daniel robitaille irc?10:01
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dholbachsiretart: hi... his nick is robitaille, and i suppose he's in bed now (canadian)10:05
siretartah, okay10:05
siretarthey daniel :)10:05
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kelmo_lapgday10:24
siretarthey kelmo_lap :)10:39
kelmo_laphi siretart10:41
siretartkelmo_lap: is there anything left to do for the next wpasupplicant upload?10:44
kelmo_lapsiretart, nothing i can think of currently10:45
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kelmo_lapsiretart, the -0.5 branch is also in sync with -stable10:46
kelmo_lapsiretart, i'd like to see that go up at the same time, if possible10:46
siretartkelmo_lap: ok. could you arrange to uploads to debian then?10:47
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kelmo_lapok, i can try my best, probaly contact Kyle first10:47
kelmo_lapprobably*10:48
siretartok10:48
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alleeajmitch_: any news about python2.3 variants of python pkgs in main?10:58
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alleeajmitch_: oh, more presice: any news about python2.3 variants in universe of python{,-2.4} pkgs in main?11:24
siretartkelmo_lap: thanks11:25
siretartallee: if the source is in main, then all build depends must be satisfiable in main as well. python2.3 has been demoted to universe AFAIK11:26
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ajmitchevening11:53
Se7hmorning11:57
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alleeevening ajmitch12:58
alleeajmitch: any news about python2.3 variants in universe of python{,-2.4} pkgs in main?12:59
ajmitchno12:59
allee'k12:59
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alleeI've asked astrowise upstream about 2.4 support. No answer yet01:00
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Toadstoolhi here01:16
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phanatichi people01:18
phanatichey raphink, Gloubiboulga and G0SUB :)01:18
G0SUBphanatic: hey!01:18
Gloubiboulgahi phanatic01:19
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jsmidtI'm trying to build a package that doesn't have a makefile.  To install the package to type ./seamonkey.  How do I alter debian/rules to fix this?  I've been using debhelper and it is complaining it can't find a makefile.01:30
Gloubiboulgajsmidt, are you Joseph Smidt?01:31
Gloubiboulga(just to be sure)01:31
jsmidtyes01:34
Gloubiboulgajsmidt, I'm Gauvain Pocentek :)01:34
jsmidtThat's funny01:34
Gloubiboulgayes :)01:35
jsmidtGloubiboulga, thanks a lot for your help with texmaker.  I'm new at this.01:36
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Gloubiboulgajsmidt, no problem, I'm glad I can help01:36
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phanaticjsmidt: Gloubiboulga helps newbies a lot, a can confirm that :)01:37
jsmidtThat's why I ask questions like the one above.01:37
cyberixHow do I add a picture to a page in Ubuntu wiki?01:37
Gloubiboulgajsmidt, I'm surprised that seamonkey doesn't use autotools01:37
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jsmidtGloubiboulga, I think you are right.  It looks like they have more than one source tarbill and I downloaded the wrong one.01:48
Gloubiboulgajsmidt, you've probably downloaded the binary installer01:49
jsmidtyes, I did01:50
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TheMusoIs there a way to get into a pbuilder chroot right after a package fails to complete buiding?02:54
TheMusoI know there is the login argument, but am not sure how to use it in this context.02:54
azeemI am not aware of one02:55
azeembut I don't use pbuilder myself02:55
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siretartTheMuso: look in /usr/share/doc/pbuilder/examples for a 'C' hook03:03
TheMusosiretart: Thanks.03:03
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TheMusosiretart: C hook? I am not quite sure what I am looking for.03:11
TheMusoAh got it.03:14
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bddebianOh, forgot my obligitoray "Heya gang" :-)03:48
Toadstool:D03:51
Toadstoolhey bddebian03:51
bddebianHello Toadstool03:52
Toadstoolbddebian: I don't want one of my package to depend on openssl to generate a random base64 encoded key with openssl rand -base64 32... what do you think of "dd if=/dev/random bs=32 count=1 | uuencode -m key" and a sharutils dependency?03:54
TheMusoIf any MOTUs could review Malone bug #38028, that would be great. Thanks.03:54
UbugtuMalone bug 38028 in xcursor-themes "Latest source release of xcursor-themes FTBFS" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/3802803:55
TheMusobddebian: BTW, that other upload you did for me for silc-toolkit. The binaries haven't shown up in the archive yet, even though they have been successfully built.03:55
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bddebianToadstool: Uhm, you're over my head on that one, sorry03:58
bddebianTheMuso: Weird, I'll check on it03:58
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truz24Is it possibly to get VMware Player added to the repositories?05:28
truz24possible*05:28
Tm_Ttruz24: is it freely distributable?05:30
Tm_TI know it's free as a beer but is it free as FOSS05:30
truz24No05:30
truz24They aren't providing source code05:30
truz24but I wondered if it could be packaged and put it multiverse or something...05:31
ograthat doesnt matter05:31
ograif they have a license that allows free redistribution, its suitable for multiverse05:31
Tm_Tthat's what I was asking05:31
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YagisanYay, my system is booting again.05:32
crimsunthat's always a good thing.05:32
Tm_TYagisan: hmm, that means it's time to break things, right?05:33
truz24You must obtain VMware's prior written consent for each application that you intend to bundle or distribute with the Software.05:33
truz24I guess that isn't something we like to do for packages...05:33
Yagisancrimsun: it's been dead to the world since since a failed dapper upgrade on Saturday05:33
YagisanTm_T: not again thanks.05:34
truz24lol05:34
crimsuntruz24: does that apply to the Player itself or just anything distributed with the Player?05:34
truz24the player05:35
Yagisanhmm, dapper does look pretty spiffy compared to breezy05:35
truz24If you wish to distribute VMware Player, please read our Distribution Agreement.05:35
truz24http://www.vmware.com/download/eula/player_distribution.html05:35
truz24I just think it would be awesome to "apt-get install vmware-player" ( which would also install the kernel module for you too :-) )05:36
truz24I don't mind compiling the module, but other people I know who use ubuntu/vmware don't know how to do that stuff and I always have to do it.05:36
truz24and if they upgrade their kernel.... do i again i do05:36
truz24first i = it05:36
crimsunthat license is decidedly non-free05:37
crimsunit's not suitable for even multiverse05:37
truz24Ok05:37
crimsunlook at 2.1.4, for instance05:37
Yagisannope not at all05:37
truz24I don't see a violation in 2.1405:38
truz242.1.4*05:38
crimsunit's a gaping violation of DFSG05:38
YagisanI see one in 2.1.305:38
Yagisanhmm vmware-player or gcc, I'd rather gcc05:38
truz24I thought it was more a social engineering clause05:38
Yagisan"hacking" tools05:38
crimsunhow precisely do you prevent someone from launching a DDoS?05:38
Yagisan;)05:38
truz24lol05:39
truz24I assume that means distributing an image that has a root kit on it05:39
Yagisan2.1.5 causes issues with our release cycle05:39
truz24and they are just being very general05:39
crimsunyes, but assuming gets us into trouble.05:39
truz24Yeah, it does.05:39
truz24They need to not be difficult :-)05:40
crimsunthe problem is that it's vague enough to render ping a culprit05:40
truz24yeah05:40
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bddebianHeya Yagisan, how goes it?05:55
Yagisanbddebian: finally back up :)05:56
Amaranth_ack the launchpad UI changed again05:56
bddebianIt did?05:57
bddebianHas it gotten worse again?05:57
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Yagisanbddebian: 1 new lite-on burner + 50 dvd's later I've got a fresh install up. Now to restore it all05:57
bddebianEgads05:57
Amaranth_bddebian: the left column is overloaded with information now, the right column is almost empty05:58
Yagisanbddebian: this lite-on burner is great. I can abuse the hell out of it, and only 4 coasters. It's been going almost non-stop since I bought it.05:58
Yagisannow to get 4 days email :(05:59
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trappistI remember when lite-on drives were crap06:22
Yagisantrappist: oh, then you haven't tried gigabyte yet. they reached new levels of crapness06:26
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trappistno, memorex has earned my trust, and they're not too expensive, so that's what I buy these days06:32
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Yagisanback in a bit. need to beat cups and my p-o-s printer into submission06:38
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cassouhi06:49
cassouogra ?06:50
ogracassou, ?06:50
cassouogra: I'm the one for squeak-vm, remember ?06:50
ograsure06:51
cassougra, it seems Laserjock corrected lot's of things in squeak-vm-3.7.7-5ubuntu506:51
cassouogra: but it seems this version is not on the repositories06:52
cassoucan you check it please ?06:52
ograhmm, thats a bit trickya, i only have powerpcs around06:53
Gloubiboulga3.7.7-5ubuntu4 is on the repos06:53
Gloubiboulgaon x86 :)06:53
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ograthe source is there, it either ftbfs or its stuck in NEW because he added a squeak metapackage06:54
cassoucan't you just have a look at the repositories ?06:54
ograhttp://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/s/squeak-vm/06:54
cassouI see06:55
cassouwhat can be done then ?06:55
ogralook at the logs06:55
ograon lauinchpad06:55
cassouwhere exactely ?06:55
ograsorry i'm very busy with other stuff, launchpad has all info you need06:55
cassouok, thanks06:55
cassouI'll take a look06:56
Gloubiboulgacassou, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/squeak-vm/+builds06:56
cassouthank you06:56
cassouit seems squeak-vm is build correctly on x8606:57
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cassouI'll have a closer look06:58
cassouthank you07:00
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dholbachdid you all notice that Malone can search for Universe bugs now?07:01
bddebianNo07:02
dholbachhttp://tinyurl.com/nl87h07:02
=== ..[topic/#ubuntu-motu:dholbach] : Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Ubuntu Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Documentation | We are in feature freeze now. Focus on http://tinyurl.com/nl87h
dholbach:-)07:06
Yagisanw00t. I know why I can't print now. esp ghostscript dies while rendering. :(07:07
dholbachoh nice07:07
dholbachtell diziet07:07
dholbachhe'll be delighted to investigate07:07
ograheh07:07
Yagisangreat07:07
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crimsunbddebian: ECONTEXT09:49
bddebian?09:49
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crimsun/usr/include/IV-2_6/InterViews ?09:50
crimsun(no context for that question)09:50
bddebianOh09:50
cassouogra: it seems squeak is published now. Thank you09:50
ograyup, as i said it was stuck in NEW ...09:50
cassouLaserJock: are you here ?09:50
ograneeded a little kick09:51
ogra:)09:51
bddebiancrimsun: mxv is getting the wrong path for InterViews/perspective.h09:51
cassouogra: thank you for your kick then :-)09:51
crimsunbddebian: does it use pkg-config?09:51
ograi just kicked the guy who kicked the package ;)09:51
cassouogra: cool :-)09:51
bddebiancrimsun:09:52
bddebianivmkmf -a09:52
bddebian+ imake -T template -I/usr/lib/ivtools/config '-DCURDIR=`pwd`' -DUseInstalled09:52
bddebian+ make Makefile ARCH=LINUX UseInstalled=109:52
crimsunwell, it shouldn't be an imake problem anymore (fabbione fixed that)09:52
crimsunif the source file is including the wrong path to perspective.h, then that needs to be fixed09:53
crimsunif it's not getting the path at all, then yeah, you need -I09:53
bddebianOohh, it's finding /usr/X11R6/include instead of /usr/include/..09:53
LaserJockcassou: yes09:53
cassouLaserJock: hi09:53
cassouLaserJock: thank you very much for all your work on squeak09:54
crimsunhuh. I bet ivmkmf wasn't fixed.09:54
LaserJockoh, heah. Are you the guy with all the bugs?09:54
bddebiancrimsun: That's my guess09:54
cassouLaserJock: yes, sorry09:54
bddebiancrimsun: Any idea who I'd bug about that?09:54
crimsunimake (1:1.0.1-0ubuntu2) dapper; urgency=low * Fix xmkmf config path. -- Fabio M. Di Nitto <fabbione@ubuntu.com>  Sat, 28 Jan 2006 10:38:56 +010009:54
bddebian xmkmf?09:55
crimsunno, ivtools-dev needs to be fixed09:55
bddebianAye, I was looking at your imake thing :_)09:55
crimsunor ivtools, rather09:56
crimsunyes, look at fabbione's fix. (It's basically a change to use /usr/include/X11 instead)09:56
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bddebianBut the ivtools stuff is in /usr/include not /usr/include/X1109:57
crimsunivtools-dev provides ivmkmf, correct?09:58
bddebianafaik09:58
crimsunso ivmkmf is producing invalid imake templates that use the old XFree86 include path instead of the new modular X.Org one09:58
crimsunthus ivmkmf needs to be fixed09:59
bddebianAm I being unclear?09:59
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bddebianI have it :-)10:00
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crimsunoh by all means, fix it10:00
crimsunI have three honors theses to review by tomorrow10:00
bddebianUgh10:00
bddebianHmm, weird, configure.in looks right10:01
bddebianOh, debian/dirs is wrong I think10:03
crimsunit's not just debian/*10:04
crimsuntake a look at that nasty Makefile in the toplevel source10:04
bddebian    + Moved all includes/libs/install dirs from /usr/X11R6/* to /usr/*10:05
bddebian  * Renamed debian/ivtools-unidraw to debian/ivtools-unidrawc2a10:05
bddebian  * debian/*.files: Adjusted the paths10:05
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bddebianMaybe just regenerate it with imake?10:06
crimsunyes, the Makefiles definitely need to be regenerated10:07
bddebianAck, what do I pass to imake?10:12
crimsundon't change the imake invocation. You need to use xmkmf10:13
crimsun-> office hours10:14
bddebianHuh?10:14
crimsun(debian/rules's imake invocation, shown above [?] , is fine)10:15
bddebianI'm talking about ivtools10:15
crimsunyes, and that's precisely what I mentioned 30 minutes ago10:17
crimsunwherever ivtools/config ends up being installed needs to be the path passed to imake in src/scripts/ivmkmf10:18
bddebianOh10:19
bddebianSorry I'm a little slow :-O)10:19
bddebiancrimsun: Sorry, one last dumb question.  Can I just rebuild or do I have to DO something with ivmkmf first after removing X11R6?10:23
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JobmanFiled Bug #38093 and attached debdiff. Is it correct so far?11:22
UbugtuMalone bug 38093 in enigmail-locales "unmet dep" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/3809311:22
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bddebianLater gents11:33
bddebianDamn I did it again.. AND LADIES :-)11:33
crimsunbddebian: sorry, just returned11:33
bddebianGah :-)11:33
bddebianOK, I hacked the shit out of debian/*, I've run xmkmf and everything else and it keeps puking :-(11:34
crimsunbddebian: but did you modify the ivmkmf script?11:35
crimsunit has hardcoded references to /usr/X11R6/* in it11:35
bddebianYes11:35
crimsunok11:35
crimsunI'll look later11:35
bddebianNP, I gotta head home anyway.  Thanks11:36
crimsunnp, see ya11:36
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sivangcan anyone toss me the link to the "the" debina shared library packaging howto? (I know there is one repeatedly referenced doc)11:56
sivangraphink: any idea? ^^12:01
raphinksivang: on ?12:01
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