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nictuku | hi. | 02:15 |
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nictuku | LaserJock, remember that python version issue we were discussing yesterday? | 02:16 |
nictuku | LaserJock, that is solved by using python-support | 02:16 |
nictuku | Seveas, are you around? | 02:25 |
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bddebian | Hey folks | 02:59 |
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bddebian | Heya gang | 03:00 |
OgMaciel | anyone from Boston going to Linux world tomorrow? | 03:00 |
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LaserJock | nictuku: yeah | 03:19 |
nictuku | with python-support we can drop all that python2.* confusion | 03:19 |
ajmitch | afternoon | 03:22 |
ajmitch | and a nice, wet afternoon it is here | 03:24 |
bddebian | Heya ajmitch | 03:29 |
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bmonty | evening everyone | 03:52 |
bddebian | Heya bmonty | 03:56 |
bmonty | bddebian: are you uploading packages without attributing the patches again? :) | 03:57 |
bddebian | Not if I can help it | 03:58 |
ajmitch | as long as he's checking the patches thoroughly as well.. ;) | 03:59 |
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bmonty | do we prefer attribution by putting the patch author's name as the person who made the change or just mention them in the text of the log? | 04:02 |
bddebian | ajmitch: Oh, I'm supposed to check them? ;-P | 04:03 |
bmonty | I've done both, and had people do both for me | 04:03 |
ajmitch | bddebian: it does help.. | 04:05 |
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GTswagger | Would anybody be willing to upload the LiSt (linux-stats.org) client for review and (hopefully) inclusion into the main repository? | 06:07 |
GTswagger | There is a .deb file available here: http://linux-stats.org/index.php?c=download | 06:07 |
crimsun | ...into main? | 06:08 |
crimsun | why main? | 06:08 |
crimsun | (we deal with universe and multiverse here) | 06:08 |
GTswagger | sorry, I use Gentoo and I'm very unfamiliar with Ubuntu... somebody suggested I come here if I wanted to see that this new project makes into Ubuntu's software stack | 06:09 |
GTswagger | umm... added to the equivalent of the "extra repositories" in SuSe and Fedora? :) | 06:09 |
crimsun | right, well, you really should put it on REVU | 06:10 |
crimsun | see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | 06:10 |
GTswagger | REVU -- this? http://revu.tauware.de/index.py | 06:11 |
crimsun | yes. | 06:11 |
GTswagger | Does it use Launchpad for logging in ... or developers only... or? | 06:12 |
crimsun | just sign up for an acct. You need a GPG key. | 06:14 |
GTswagger | ok -- subscribing now | 06:17 |
GTswagger | alright -- I subscribed to the mailing list -- but I'm still somewhat at a loss for how to upload something to that page -- send it to the mailing list? I'm assuming the login at the top of REVU is for devs? | 06:20 |
crimsun | you need to wait for your GPG key to be added. | 06:20 |
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bddebian | Ack, 1:00am I gotta get my old ass to bed. Gnight folks | 06:55 |
crimsun | 'night, bddebian | 06:56 |
bddebian | Later crimsun | 06:56 |
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zakame | hi MOTUs! | 07:43 |
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dholbach | heya motu world! | 07:56 |
zakame | hello dholbach! | 07:57 |
dholbach | heya zakame | 07:58 |
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akulah | when i build a .deb package that is not even in debian sid how do I do to name it package0.1ubuntu1? | 08:00 |
freeflying | akulah: if you build for ubuntu , than use 0ubuntu1 | 08:01 |
akulah | ok! but how do I do it | 08:02 |
lifeless | freeflying: that does not match everything in the archive | 08:02 |
freeflying | lifeless: he mean that the package not in debain | 08:02 |
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lifeless | freeflying: right. look at other packages not in debian. I don't recall them having ubuntu suffixes | 08:03 |
freeflying | lifeless: if the package not in debain , or you'd have patch for ubuntu only m then we'd add the suufixes | 08:04 |
lifeless | freeflying: mmm. I'm very not sure of that. | 08:04 |
lifeless | ajmitch: any comment ? or dholbach ? | 08:04 |
dholbach | hm? | 08:05 |
freeflying | lifeless: we have policy for ubuntu , so you may get it on wiki ,hehe | 08:05 |
dholbach | if you make changes for ubuntu you add ubuntu1 if it's not there yet, if it's there you use ubuntu<n+1> | 08:06 |
lifeless | dholbach: yes yes, this is not 'make changes for ubuntu' | 08:06 |
lifeless | dholbach: this is 'upload only to ubuntu' | 08:06 |
dholbach | if it's a no-change upload, you use build<n+1> | 08:06 |
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lifeless | dholbach: and I'm going off of an example by mdz when I query this, not because I suddenly wanted to be difficult | 08:11 |
dholbach | I never said you are being difficult | 08:13 |
lifeless | dholbach: I'm just explaining ;) | 08:13 |
dholbach | sure, you can differ from that scheme, if you're sure it won't end up in Debian | 08:14 |
dholbach | most packages of that sort are native packages | 08:14 |
lifeless | freeflying: the wiki is big, if you point someone at it please give a hint for the page, or the url. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New/Policy is what I think you meant and it answers my question | 08:14 |
lifeless | dholbach: yes, that makes sense to me. | 08:14 |
dholbach | xorg otoh was not :) | 08:16 |
dholbach | and they still chose to use 6.x.x-<n> | 08:16 |
akulah | EX: I want to build a new package but it can't be found in Ubuntu or Debian and I want to add th ubuntu suffix to the package name | 08:18 |
akulah | how do I do that? | 08:18 |
freeflying | akulah: you'd find if it is in debian | 08:18 |
akulah | I mean do I have to change the rules file or what? | 08:18 |
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akulah | and if it isn't in debian | 08:20 |
akulah | ? | 08:20 |
freeflying | akulah: you mean it is in debian now ? | 08:20 |
akulah | no it is not in debian unstable | 08:20 |
freeflying | you build it from scratch ? | 08:21 |
akulah | yes | 08:21 |
akulah | I wanted to upload it to REVU | 08:21 |
freeflying | change it in debian/changelog | 08:22 |
akulah | aha | 08:22 |
akulah | I get it | 08:22 |
akulah | tnx | 08:22 |
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siretart | hi | 10:01 |
siretart | does daniel robitaille irc? | 10:01 |
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dholbach | siretart: hi... his nick is robitaille, and i suppose he's in bed now (canadian) | 10:05 |
siretart | ah, okay | 10:05 |
siretart | hey daniel :) | 10:05 |
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kelmo_lap | gday | 10:24 |
siretart | hey kelmo_lap :) | 10:39 |
kelmo_lap | hi siretart | 10:41 |
siretart | kelmo_lap: is there anything left to do for the next wpasupplicant upload? | 10:44 |
kelmo_lap | siretart, nothing i can think of currently | 10:45 |
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kelmo_lap | siretart, the -0.5 branch is also in sync with -stable | 10:46 |
kelmo_lap | siretart, i'd like to see that go up at the same time, if possible | 10:46 |
siretart | kelmo_lap: ok. could you arrange to uploads to debian then? | 10:47 |
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kelmo_lap | ok, i can try my best, probaly contact Kyle first | 10:47 |
kelmo_lap | probably* | 10:48 |
siretart | ok | 10:48 |
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allee | ajmitch_: any news about python2.3 variants of python pkgs in main? | 10:58 |
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allee | ajmitch_: oh, more presice: any news about python2.3 variants in universe of python{,-2.4} pkgs in main? | 11:24 |
siretart | kelmo_lap: thanks | 11:25 |
siretart | allee: if the source is in main, then all build depends must be satisfiable in main as well. python2.3 has been demoted to universe AFAIK | 11:26 |
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ajmitch | evening | 11:53 |
Se7h | morning | 11:57 |
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allee | evening ajmitch | 12:58 |
allee | ajmitch: any news about python2.3 variants in universe of python{,-2.4} pkgs in main? | 12:59 |
ajmitch | no | 12:59 |
allee | 'k | 12:59 |
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allee | I've asked astrowise upstream about 2.4 support. No answer yet | 01:00 |
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Toadstool | hi here | 01:16 |
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phanatic | hi people | 01:18 |
phanatic | hey raphink, Gloubiboulga and G0SUB :) | 01:18 |
G0SUB | phanatic: hey! | 01:18 |
Gloubiboulga | hi phanatic | 01:19 |
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jsmidt | I'm trying to build a package that doesn't have a makefile. To install the package to type ./seamonkey. How do I alter debian/rules to fix this? I've been using debhelper and it is complaining it can't find a makefile. | 01:30 |
Gloubiboulga | jsmidt, are you Joseph Smidt? | 01:31 |
Gloubiboulga | (just to be sure) | 01:31 |
jsmidt | yes | 01:34 |
Gloubiboulga | jsmidt, I'm Gauvain Pocentek :) | 01:34 |
jsmidt | That's funny | 01:34 |
Gloubiboulga | yes :) | 01:35 |
jsmidt | Gloubiboulga, thanks a lot for your help with texmaker. I'm new at this. | 01:36 |
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Gloubiboulga | jsmidt, no problem, I'm glad I can help | 01:36 |
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phanatic | jsmidt: Gloubiboulga helps newbies a lot, a can confirm that :) | 01:37 |
jsmidt | That's why I ask questions like the one above. | 01:37 |
cyberix | How do I add a picture to a page in Ubuntu wiki? | 01:37 |
Gloubiboulga | jsmidt, I'm surprised that seamonkey doesn't use autotools | 01:37 |
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jsmidt | Gloubiboulga, I think you are right. It looks like they have more than one source tarbill and I downloaded the wrong one. | 01:48 |
Gloubiboulga | jsmidt, you've probably downloaded the binary installer | 01:49 |
jsmidt | yes, I did | 01:50 |
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TheMuso | Is there a way to get into a pbuilder chroot right after a package fails to complete buiding? | 02:54 |
TheMuso | I know there is the login argument, but am not sure how to use it in this context. | 02:54 |
azeem | I am not aware of one | 02:55 |
azeem | but I don't use pbuilder myself | 02:55 |
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siretart | TheMuso: look in /usr/share/doc/pbuilder/examples for a 'C' hook | 03:03 |
TheMuso | siretart: Thanks. | 03:03 |
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TheMuso | siretart: C hook? I am not quite sure what I am looking for. | 03:11 |
TheMuso | Ah got it. | 03:14 |
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bddebian | Oh, forgot my obligitoray "Heya gang" :-) | 03:48 |
Toadstool | :D | 03:51 |
Toadstool | hey bddebian | 03:51 |
bddebian | Hello Toadstool | 03:52 |
Toadstool | bddebian: I don't want one of my package to depend on openssl to generate a random base64 encoded key with openssl rand -base64 32... what do you think of "dd if=/dev/random bs=32 count=1 | uuencode -m key" and a sharutils dependency? | 03:54 |
TheMuso | If any MOTUs could review Malone bug #38028, that would be great. Thanks. | 03:54 |
Ubugtu | Malone bug 38028 in xcursor-themes "Latest source release of xcursor-themes FTBFS" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/38028 | 03:55 |
TheMuso | bddebian: BTW, that other upload you did for me for silc-toolkit. The binaries haven't shown up in the archive yet, even though they have been successfully built. | 03:55 |
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bddebian | Toadstool: Uhm, you're over my head on that one, sorry | 03:58 |
bddebian | TheMuso: Weird, I'll check on it | 03:58 |
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truz24 | Is it possibly to get VMware Player added to the repositories? | 05:28 |
truz24 | possible* | 05:28 |
Tm_T | truz24: is it freely distributable? | 05:30 |
Tm_T | I know it's free as a beer but is it free as FOSS | 05:30 |
truz24 | No | 05:30 |
truz24 | They aren't providing source code | 05:30 |
truz24 | but I wondered if it could be packaged and put it multiverse or something... | 05:31 |
ogra | that doesnt matter | 05:31 |
ogra | if they have a license that allows free redistribution, its suitable for multiverse | 05:31 |
Tm_T | that's what I was asking | 05:31 |
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Yagisan | Yay, my system is booting again. | 05:32 |
crimsun | that's always a good thing. | 05:32 |
Tm_T | Yagisan: hmm, that means it's time to break things, right? | 05:33 |
truz24 | You must obtain VMware's prior written consent for each application that you intend to bundle or distribute with the Software. | 05:33 |
truz24 | I guess that isn't something we like to do for packages... | 05:33 |
Yagisan | crimsun: it's been dead to the world since since a failed dapper upgrade on Saturday | 05:33 |
Yagisan | Tm_T: not again thanks. | 05:34 |
truz24 | lol | 05:34 |
crimsun | truz24: does that apply to the Player itself or just anything distributed with the Player? | 05:34 |
truz24 | the player | 05:35 |
Yagisan | hmm, dapper does look pretty spiffy compared to breezy | 05:35 |
truz24 | If you wish to distribute VMware Player, please read our Distribution Agreement. | 05:35 |
truz24 | http://www.vmware.com/download/eula/player_distribution.html | 05:35 |
truz24 | I just think it would be awesome to "apt-get install vmware-player" ( which would also install the kernel module for you too :-) ) | 05:36 |
truz24 | I don't mind compiling the module, but other people I know who use ubuntu/vmware don't know how to do that stuff and I always have to do it. | 05:36 |
truz24 | and if they upgrade their kernel.... do i again i do | 05:36 |
truz24 | first i = it | 05:36 |
crimsun | that license is decidedly non-free | 05:37 |
crimsun | it's not suitable for even multiverse | 05:37 |
truz24 | Ok | 05:37 |
crimsun | look at 2.1.4, for instance | 05:37 |
Yagisan | nope not at all | 05:37 |
truz24 | I don't see a violation in 2.14 | 05:38 |
truz24 | 2.1.4* | 05:38 |
crimsun | it's a gaping violation of DFSG | 05:38 |
Yagisan | I see one in 2.1.3 | 05:38 |
Yagisan | hmm vmware-player or gcc, I'd rather gcc | 05:38 |
truz24 | I thought it was more a social engineering clause | 05:38 |
Yagisan | "hacking" tools | 05:38 |
crimsun | how precisely do you prevent someone from launching a DDoS? | 05:38 |
Yagisan | ;) | 05:38 |
truz24 | lol | 05:39 |
truz24 | I assume that means distributing an image that has a root kit on it | 05:39 |
Yagisan | 2.1.5 causes issues with our release cycle | 05:39 |
truz24 | and they are just being very general | 05:39 |
crimsun | yes, but assuming gets us into trouble. | 05:39 |
truz24 | Yeah, it does. | 05:39 |
truz24 | They need to not be difficult :-) | 05:40 |
crimsun | the problem is that it's vague enough to render ping a culprit | 05:40 |
truz24 | yeah | 05:40 |
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bddebian | Heya Yagisan, how goes it? | 05:55 |
Yagisan | bddebian: finally back up :) | 05:56 |
Amaranth_ | ack the launchpad UI changed again | 05:56 |
bddebian | It did? | 05:57 |
bddebian | Has it gotten worse again? | 05:57 |
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Yagisan | bddebian: 1 new lite-on burner + 50 dvd's later I've got a fresh install up. Now to restore it all | 05:57 |
bddebian | Egads | 05:57 |
Amaranth_ | bddebian: the left column is overloaded with information now, the right column is almost empty | 05:58 |
Yagisan | bddebian: this lite-on burner is great. I can abuse the hell out of it, and only 4 coasters. It's been going almost non-stop since I bought it. | 05:58 |
Yagisan | now to get 4 days email :( | 05:59 |
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trappist | I remember when lite-on drives were crap | 06:22 |
Yagisan | trappist: oh, then you haven't tried gigabyte yet. they reached new levels of crapness | 06:26 |
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trappist | no, memorex has earned my trust, and they're not too expensive, so that's what I buy these days | 06:32 |
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Yagisan | back in a bit. need to beat cups and my p-o-s printer into submission | 06:38 |
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cassou | hi | 06:49 |
cassou | ogra ? | 06:50 |
ogra | cassou, ? | 06:50 |
cassou | ogra: I'm the one for squeak-vm, remember ? | 06:50 |
ogra | sure | 06:51 |
cassou | gra, it seems Laserjock corrected lot's of things in squeak-vm-3.7.7-5ubuntu5 | 06:51 |
cassou | ogra: but it seems this version is not on the repositories | 06:52 |
cassou | can you check it please ? | 06:52 |
ogra | hmm, thats a bit trickya, i only have powerpcs around | 06:53 |
Gloubiboulga | 3.7.7-5ubuntu4 is on the repos | 06:53 |
Gloubiboulga | on x86 :) | 06:53 |
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ogra | the source is there, it either ftbfs or its stuck in NEW because he added a squeak metapackage | 06:54 |
cassou | can't you just have a look at the repositories ? | 06:54 |
ogra | http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/s/squeak-vm/ | 06:54 |
cassou | I see | 06:55 |
cassou | what can be done then ? | 06:55 |
ogra | look at the logs | 06:55 |
ogra | on lauinchpad | 06:55 |
cassou | where exactely ? | 06:55 |
ogra | sorry i'm very busy with other stuff, launchpad has all info you need | 06:55 |
cassou | ok, thanks | 06:55 |
cassou | I'll take a look | 06:56 |
Gloubiboulga | cassou, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/squeak-vm/+builds | 06:56 |
cassou | thank you | 06:56 |
cassou | it seems squeak-vm is build correctly on x86 | 06:57 |
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cassou | I'll have a closer look | 06:58 |
cassou | thank you | 07:00 |
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dholbach | did you all notice that Malone can search for Universe bugs now? | 07:01 |
bddebian | No | 07:02 |
dholbach | http://tinyurl.com/nl87h | 07:02 |
=== ..[topic/#ubuntu-motu:dholbach] : Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Ubuntu Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Documentation | We are in feature freeze now. Focus on http://tinyurl.com/nl87h | ||
dholbach | :-) | 07:06 |
Yagisan | w00t. I know why I can't print now. esp ghostscript dies while rendering. :( | 07:07 |
dholbach | oh nice | 07:07 |
dholbach | tell diziet | 07:07 |
dholbach | he'll be delighted to investigate | 07:07 |
ogra | heh | 07:07 |
Yagisan | great | 07:07 |
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crimsun | bddebian: ECONTEXT | 09:49 |
bddebian | ? | 09:49 |
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crimsun | /usr/include/IV-2_6/InterViews ? | 09:50 |
crimsun | (no context for that question) | 09:50 |
bddebian | Oh | 09:50 |
cassou | ogra: it seems squeak is published now. Thank you | 09:50 |
ogra | yup, as i said it was stuck in NEW ... | 09:50 |
cassou | LaserJock: are you here ? | 09:50 |
ogra | needed a little kick | 09:51 |
ogra | :) | 09:51 |
bddebian | crimsun: mxv is getting the wrong path for InterViews/perspective.h | 09:51 |
cassou | ogra: thank you for your kick then :-) | 09:51 |
crimsun | bddebian: does it use pkg-config? | 09:51 |
ogra | i just kicked the guy who kicked the package ;) | 09:51 |
cassou | ogra: cool :-) | 09:51 |
bddebian | crimsun: | 09:52 |
bddebian | ivmkmf -a | 09:52 |
bddebian | + imake -T template -I/usr/lib/ivtools/config '-DCURDIR=`pwd`' -DUseInstalled | 09:52 |
bddebian | + make Makefile ARCH=LINUX UseInstalled=1 | 09:52 |
crimsun | well, it shouldn't be an imake problem anymore (fabbione fixed that) | 09:52 |
crimsun | if the source file is including the wrong path to perspective.h, then that needs to be fixed | 09:53 |
crimsun | if it's not getting the path at all, then yeah, you need -I | 09:53 |
bddebian | Oohh, it's finding /usr/X11R6/include instead of /usr/include/.. | 09:53 |
LaserJock | cassou: yes | 09:53 |
cassou | LaserJock: hi | 09:53 |
cassou | LaserJock: thank you very much for all your work on squeak | 09:54 |
crimsun | huh. I bet ivmkmf wasn't fixed. | 09:54 |
LaserJock | oh, heah. Are you the guy with all the bugs? | 09:54 |
bddebian | crimsun: That's my guess | 09:54 |
cassou | LaserJock: yes, sorry | 09:54 |
bddebian | crimsun: Any idea who I'd bug about that? | 09:54 |
crimsun | imake (1:1.0.1-0ubuntu2) dapper; urgency=low * Fix xmkmf config path. -- Fabio M. Di Nitto <fabbione@ubuntu.com> Sat, 28 Jan 2006 10:38:56 +0100 | 09:54 |
bddebian | xmkmf? | 09:55 |
crimsun | no, ivtools-dev needs to be fixed | 09:55 |
bddebian | Aye, I was looking at your imake thing :_) | 09:55 |
crimsun | or ivtools, rather | 09:56 |
crimsun | yes, look at fabbione's fix. (It's basically a change to use /usr/include/X11 instead) | 09:56 |
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bddebian | But the ivtools stuff is in /usr/include not /usr/include/X11 | 09:57 |
crimsun | ivtools-dev provides ivmkmf, correct? | 09:58 |
bddebian | afaik | 09:58 |
crimsun | so ivmkmf is producing invalid imake templates that use the old XFree86 include path instead of the new modular X.Org one | 09:58 |
crimsun | thus ivmkmf needs to be fixed | 09:59 |
bddebian | Am I being unclear? | 09:59 |
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bddebian | I have it :-) | 10:00 |
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crimsun | oh by all means, fix it | 10:00 |
crimsun | I have three honors theses to review by tomorrow | 10:00 |
bddebian | Ugh | 10:00 |
bddebian | Hmm, weird, configure.in looks right | 10:01 |
bddebian | Oh, debian/dirs is wrong I think | 10:03 |
crimsun | it's not just debian/* | 10:04 |
crimsun | take a look at that nasty Makefile in the toplevel source | 10:04 |
bddebian | + Moved all includes/libs/install dirs from /usr/X11R6/* to /usr/* | 10:05 |
bddebian | * Renamed debian/ivtools-unidraw to debian/ivtools-unidrawc2a | 10:05 |
bddebian | * debian/*.files: Adjusted the paths | 10:05 |
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bddebian | Maybe just regenerate it with imake? | 10:06 |
crimsun | yes, the Makefiles definitely need to be regenerated | 10:07 |
bddebian | Ack, what do I pass to imake? | 10:12 |
crimsun | don't change the imake invocation. You need to use xmkmf | 10:13 |
crimsun | -> office hours | 10:14 |
bddebian | Huh? | 10:14 |
crimsun | (debian/rules's imake invocation, shown above [?] , is fine) | 10:15 |
bddebian | I'm talking about ivtools | 10:15 |
crimsun | yes, and that's precisely what I mentioned 30 minutes ago | 10:17 |
crimsun | wherever ivtools/config ends up being installed needs to be the path passed to imake in src/scripts/ivmkmf | 10:18 |
bddebian | Oh | 10:19 |
bddebian | Sorry I'm a little slow :-O) | 10:19 |
bddebian | crimsun: Sorry, one last dumb question. Can I just rebuild or do I have to DO something with ivmkmf first after removing X11R6? | 10:23 |
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Jobman | Filed Bug #38093 and attached debdiff. Is it correct so far? | 11:22 |
Ubugtu | Malone bug 38093 in enigmail-locales "unmet dep" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/38093 | 11:22 |
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bddebian | Later gents | 11:33 |
bddebian | Damn I did it again.. AND LADIES :-) | 11:33 |
crimsun | bddebian: sorry, just returned | 11:33 |
bddebian | Gah :-) | 11:33 |
bddebian | OK, I hacked the shit out of debian/*, I've run xmkmf and everything else and it keeps puking :-( | 11:34 |
crimsun | bddebian: but did you modify the ivmkmf script? | 11:35 |
crimsun | it has hardcoded references to /usr/X11R6/* in it | 11:35 |
bddebian | Yes | 11:35 |
crimsun | ok | 11:35 |
crimsun | I'll look later | 11:35 |
bddebian | NP, I gotta head home anyway. Thanks | 11:36 |
crimsun | np, see ya | 11:36 |
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sivang | can anyone toss me the link to the "the" debina shared library packaging howto? (I know there is one repeatedly referenced doc) | 11:56 |
sivang | raphink: any idea? ^^ | 12:01 |
raphink | sivang: on ? | 12:01 |
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