[02:15] <nictuku> hi.
[02:16] <nictuku> LaserJock, remember that python version issue we were discussing yesterday?
[02:16] <nictuku> LaserJock, that is solved by using python-support
[02:25] <nictuku> Seveas, are you around?
[02:59] <bddebian> Hey folks
[03:00] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:00] <OgMaciel> anyone from Boston going to Linux world tomorrow?
[03:19] <LaserJock> nictuku: yeah
[03:19] <nictuku> with python-support we can drop all that python2.* confusion
[03:22] <ajmitch> afternoon
[03:24] <ajmitch> and a nice, wet afternoon it is here
[03:29] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[03:52] <bmonty> evening everyone
[03:56] <bddebian> Heya bmonty
[03:57] <bmonty> bddebian: are you uploading packages without attributing the patches again? :)
[03:58] <bddebian> Not if I can help it
[03:59] <ajmitch> as long as he's checking the patches thoroughly as well.. ;)
[04:02] <bmonty> do we prefer attribution by putting the patch author's name as the person who made the change or just mention them in the text of the log?
[04:03] <bddebian> ajmitch: Oh, I'm supposed to check them? ;-P
[04:03] <bmonty> I've done both, and had people do both for me
[04:05] <ajmitch> bddebian: it does help..
[06:07] <GTswagger> Would anybody be willing to upload the LiSt (linux-stats.org) client for review and (hopefully) inclusion into the main repository?
[06:07] <GTswagger> There is a .deb file available here:  http://linux-stats.org/index.php?c=download
[06:08] <crimsun> ...into main?
[06:08] <crimsun> why main?
[06:08] <crimsun> (we deal with universe and multiverse here)
[06:09] <GTswagger> sorry, I use Gentoo and I'm very unfamiliar with Ubuntu... somebody suggested I come here if I wanted to see that this new project makes into Ubuntu's software stack
[06:09] <GTswagger> umm... added to the equivalent of the "extra repositories" in SuSe and Fedora?  :)
[06:10] <crimsun> right, well, you really should put it on REVU
[06:10] <crimsun> see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[06:11] <GTswagger> REVU -- this?  http://revu.tauware.de/index.py
[06:11] <crimsun> yes.
[06:12] <GTswagger> Does it use Launchpad for logging in ... or developers only... or?
[06:14] <crimsun> just sign up for an acct. You need a GPG key.
[06:17] <GTswagger> ok -- subscribing now
[06:20] <GTswagger> alright -- I subscribed to the mailing list -- but I'm still somewhat at a loss for how to upload something to that page -- send it to the mailing list?  I'm assuming the login at the top of REVU is for devs?
[06:20] <crimsun> you need to wait for your GPG key to be added.
[06:55] <bddebian> Ack, 1:00am I gotta get my old ass to bed.  Gnight folks
[06:56] <crimsun> 'night, bddebian
[06:56] <bddebian> Later crimsun
[07:43] <zakame> hi MOTUs!
[07:56] <dholbach> heya motu world!
[07:57] <zakame> hello dholbach!
[07:58] <dholbach> heya zakame
[08:00] <akulah> when i build a .deb package that is not even in debian sid how do I do to name it package0.1ubuntu1?
[08:01] <freeflying> akulah: if you build for ubuntu , than use 0ubuntu1
[08:02] <akulah> ok! but how do I do it
[08:02] <lifeless> freeflying: that does not match everything in the archive
[08:02] <freeflying> lifeless: he mean that the package not in debain
[08:03] <lifeless> freeflying: right. look at other packages not in debian. I don't recall them having ubuntu suffixes
[08:04] <freeflying> lifeless: if the package not in debain , or you'd have patch for ubuntu only m then we'd add the suufixes
[08:04] <lifeless> freeflying: mmm. I'm very not sure of that.
[08:04] <lifeless> ajmitch: any comment ? or dholbach ?
[08:05] <dholbach> hm?
[08:05] <freeflying> lifeless: we have policy for ubuntu , so you may get it on wiki  ,hehe
[08:06] <dholbach> if you make changes for ubuntu you add ubuntu1 if it's not there yet, if it's there you use ubuntu<n+1>
[08:06] <lifeless> dholbach: yes yes, this is not 'make changes for ubuntu'
[08:06] <lifeless> dholbach: this is 'upload only to ubuntu'
[08:06] <dholbach> if it's a no-change upload, you use build<n+1>
[08:11] <lifeless> dholbach: and I'm going off of an example by mdz when I query this, not because I suddenly wanted to be difficult
[08:13] <dholbach> I never said you are being difficult
[08:13] <lifeless> dholbach: I'm just explaining ;)
[08:14] <dholbach> sure, you can differ from that scheme, if you're sure it won't end up in Debian
[08:14] <dholbach> most packages of that sort are native packages
[08:14] <lifeless> freeflying: the wiki is big, if you point someone at it please give a hint for the page, or the url. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New/Policy is what I think you meant and it answers my question
[08:14] <lifeless> dholbach: yes, that makes sense to me.
[08:16] <dholbach> xorg otoh was not :)
[08:16] <dholbach> and they still chose to use 6.x.x-<n>
[08:18] <akulah> EX: I want to build a new package but it can't be found in Ubuntu or Debian and I want to add th ubuntu suffix to the package name
[08:18] <akulah> how do I do that?
[08:18] <freeflying> akulah: you'd find if it is in debian
[08:18] <akulah> I mean do I have to change the rules file or what?
[08:20] <akulah> and if it isn't in debian
[08:20] <akulah> ?
[08:20] <freeflying> akulah: you mean it is in debian now ?
[08:20] <akulah> no it is not in debian unstable
[08:21] <freeflying> you build it from scratch ?
[08:21] <akulah> yes
[08:21] <akulah> I wanted to upload it to REVU
[08:22] <freeflying> change it in debian/changelog
[08:22] <akulah> aha
[08:22] <akulah> I get it
[08:22] <akulah> tnx
[10:01] <siretart> hi
[10:01] <siretart> does daniel robitaille irc?
[10:05] <dholbach> siretart: hi... his nick is robitaille, and i suppose he's in bed now (canadian)
[10:05] <siretart> ah, okay
[10:05] <siretart> hey daniel :)
[10:24] <kelmo_lap> gday
[10:39] <siretart> hey kelmo_lap :)
[10:41] <kelmo_lap> hi siretart
[10:44] <siretart> kelmo_lap: is there anything left to do for the next wpasupplicant upload?
[10:45] <kelmo_lap> siretart, nothing i can think of currently
[10:46] <kelmo_lap> siretart, the -0.5 branch is also in sync with -stable
[10:46] <kelmo_lap> siretart, i'd like to see that go up at the same time, if possible
[10:47] <siretart> kelmo_lap: ok. could you arrange to uploads to debian then?
[10:47] <kelmo_lap> ok, i can try my best, probaly contact Kyle first
[10:48] <kelmo_lap> probably*
[10:48] <siretart> ok
[10:58] <allee> ajmitch_: any news about python2.3 variants of python pkgs in main?
[11:24] <allee> ajmitch_: oh, more presice: any news about python2.3 variants in universe of python{,-2.4} pkgs in main?
[11:25] <siretart> kelmo_lap: thanks
[11:26] <siretart> allee: if the source is in main, then all build depends must be satisfiable in main as well. python2.3 has been demoted to universe AFAIK
[11:53] <ajmitch> evening
[11:57] <Se7h> morning
[12:58] <allee> evening ajmitch
[12:59] <allee> ajmitch: any news about python2.3 variants in universe of python{,-2.4} pkgs in main?
[12:59] <ajmitch> no
[12:59] <allee> 'k
[01:00] <allee> I've asked astrowise upstream about 2.4 support. No answer yet
[01:16] <Toadstool> hi here
[01:18] <phanatic> hi people
[01:18] <phanatic> hey raphink, Gloubiboulga and G0SUB :)
[01:18] <G0SUB> phanatic: hey!
[01:19] <Gloubiboulga> hi phanatic
[01:30] <jsmidt> I'm trying to build a package that doesn't have a makefile.  To install the package to type ./seamonkey.  How do I alter debian/rules to fix this?  I've been using debhelper and it is complaining it can't find a makefile.
[01:31] <Gloubiboulga> jsmidt, are you Joseph Smidt?
[01:31] <Gloubiboulga> (just to be sure)
[01:34] <jsmidt> yes
[01:34] <Gloubiboulga> jsmidt, I'm Gauvain Pocentek :)
[01:34] <jsmidt> That's funny
[01:35] <Gloubiboulga> yes :)
[01:36] <jsmidt> Gloubiboulga, thanks a lot for your help with texmaker.  I'm new at this.
[01:36] <Gloubiboulga> jsmidt, no problem, I'm glad I can help
[01:37] <phanatic> jsmidt: Gloubiboulga helps newbies a lot, a can confirm that :)
[01:37] <jsmidt> That's why I ask questions like the one above.
[01:37] <cyberix> How do I add a picture to a page in Ubuntu wiki?
[01:37] <Gloubiboulga> jsmidt, I'm surprised that seamonkey doesn't use autotools
[01:48] <jsmidt> Gloubiboulga, I think you are right.  It looks like they have more than one source tarbill and I downloaded the wrong one.
[01:49] <Gloubiboulga> jsmidt, you've probably downloaded the binary installer
[01:50] <jsmidt> yes, I did
[02:54] <TheMuso> Is there a way to get into a pbuilder chroot right after a package fails to complete buiding?
[02:54] <TheMuso> I know there is the login argument, but am not sure how to use it in this context.
[02:55] <azeem> I am not aware of one
[02:55] <azeem> but I don't use pbuilder myself
[03:03] <siretart> TheMuso: look in /usr/share/doc/pbuilder/examples for a 'C' hook
[03:03] <TheMuso> siretart: Thanks.
[03:11] <TheMuso> siretart: C hook? I am not quite sure what I am looking for.
[03:14] <TheMuso> Ah got it.
[03:48] <bddebian> Oh, forgot my obligitoray "Heya gang" :-)
[03:51] <Toadstool> :D
[03:51] <Toadstool> hey bddebian
[03:52] <bddebian> Hello Toadstool
[03:54] <Toadstool> bddebian: I don't want one of my package to depend on openssl to generate a random base64 encoded key with openssl rand -base64 32... what do you think of "dd if=/dev/random bs=32 count=1 | uuencode -m key" and a sharutils dependency?
[03:54] <TheMuso> If any MOTUs could review Malone bug #38028, that would be great. Thanks.
[03:55] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 38028 in xcursor-themes "Latest source release of xcursor-themes FTBFS" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/38028
[03:55] <TheMuso> bddebian: BTW, that other upload you did for me for silc-toolkit. The binaries haven't shown up in the archive yet, even though they have been successfully built.
[03:58] <bddebian> Toadstool: Uhm, you're over my head on that one, sorry
[03:58] <bddebian> TheMuso: Weird, I'll check on it
[05:28] <truz24> Is it possibly to get VMware Player added to the repositories?
[05:28] <truz24> possible*
[05:30] <Tm_T> truz24: is it freely distributable?
[05:30] <Tm_T> I know it's free as a beer but is it free as FOSS
[05:30] <truz24> No
[05:30] <truz24> They aren't providing source code
[05:31] <truz24> but I wondered if it could be packaged and put it multiverse or something...
[05:31] <ogra> that doesnt matter
[05:31] <ogra> if they have a license that allows free redistribution, its suitable for multiverse
[05:31] <Tm_T> that's what I was asking
[05:32] <Yagisan> Yay, my system is booting again.
[05:32] <crimsun> that's always a good thing.
[05:33] <Tm_T> Yagisan: hmm, that means it's time to break things, right?
[05:33] <truz24> You must obtain VMware's prior written consent for each application that you intend to bundle or distribute with the Software.
[05:33] <truz24> I guess that isn't something we like to do for packages...
[05:33] <Yagisan> crimsun: it's been dead to the world since since a failed dapper upgrade on Saturday
[05:34] <Yagisan> Tm_T: not again thanks.
[05:34] <truz24> lol
[05:34] <crimsun> truz24: does that apply to the Player itself or just anything distributed with the Player?
[05:35] <truz24> the player
[05:35] <Yagisan> hmm, dapper does look pretty spiffy compared to breezy
[05:35] <truz24> If you wish to distribute VMware Player, please read our Distribution Agreement.
[05:35] <truz24> http://www.vmware.com/download/eula/player_distribution.html
[05:36] <truz24> I just think it would be awesome to "apt-get install vmware-player" ( which would also install the kernel module for you too :-) )
[05:36] <truz24> I don't mind compiling the module, but other people I know who use ubuntu/vmware don't know how to do that stuff and I always have to do it.
[05:36] <truz24> and if they upgrade their kernel.... do i again i do
[05:36] <truz24> first i = it
[05:37] <crimsun> that license is decidedly non-free
[05:37] <crimsun> it's not suitable for even multiverse
[05:37] <truz24> Ok
[05:37] <crimsun> look at 2.1.4, for instance
[05:37] <Yagisan> nope not at all
[05:38] <truz24> I don't see a violation in 2.14
[05:38] <truz24> 2.1.4*
[05:38] <crimsun> it's a gaping violation of DFSG
[05:38] <Yagisan> I see one in 2.1.3
[05:38] <Yagisan> hmm vmware-player or gcc, I'd rather gcc
[05:38] <truz24> I thought it was more a social engineering clause
[05:38] <Yagisan> "hacking" tools
[05:38] <crimsun> how precisely do you prevent someone from launching a DDoS?
[05:38] <Yagisan> ;)
[05:39] <truz24> lol
[05:39] <truz24> I assume that means distributing an image that has a root kit on it
[05:39] <Yagisan> 2.1.5 causes issues with our release cycle
[05:39] <truz24> and they are just being very general
[05:39] <crimsun> yes, but assuming gets us into trouble.
[05:39] <truz24> Yeah, it does.
[05:40] <truz24> They need to not be difficult :-)
[05:40] <crimsun> the problem is that it's vague enough to render ping a culprit
[05:40] <truz24> yeah
[05:55] <bddebian> Heya Yagisan, how goes it?
[05:56] <Yagisan> bddebian: finally back up :)
[05:56] <Amaranth_> ack the launchpad UI changed again
[05:57] <bddebian> It did?
[05:57] <bddebian> Has it gotten worse again?
[05:57] <Yagisan> bddebian: 1 new lite-on burner + 50 dvd's later I've got a fresh install up. Now to restore it all
[05:57] <bddebian> Egads
[05:58] <Amaranth_> bddebian: the left column is overloaded with information now, the right column is almost empty
[05:58] <Yagisan> bddebian: this lite-on burner is great. I can abuse the hell out of it, and only 4 coasters. It's been going almost non-stop since I bought it.
[05:59] <Yagisan> now to get 4 days email :(
[06:22] <trappist> I remember when lite-on drives were crap
[06:26] <Yagisan> trappist: oh, then you haven't tried gigabyte yet. they reached new levels of crapness
[06:32] <trappist> no, memorex has earned my trust, and they're not too expensive, so that's what I buy these days
[06:38] <Yagisan> back in a bit. need to beat cups and my p-o-s printer into submission
[06:49] <cassou> hi
[06:50] <cassou> ogra ?
[06:50] <ogra> cassou, ?
[06:50] <cassou> ogra: I'm the one for squeak-vm, remember ?
[06:51] <ogra> sure
[06:51] <cassou> gra, it seems Laserjock corrected lot's of things in squeak-vm-3.7.7-5ubuntu5
[06:52] <cassou> ogra: but it seems this version is not on the repositories
[06:52] <cassou> can you check it please ?
[06:53] <ogra> hmm, thats a bit trickya, i only have powerpcs around
[06:53] <Gloubiboulga> 3.7.7-5ubuntu4 is on the repos
[06:53] <Gloubiboulga> on x86 :)
[06:54] <ogra> the source is there, it either ftbfs or its stuck in NEW because he added a squeak metapackage
[06:54] <cassou> can't you just have a look at the repositories ?
[06:54] <ogra> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/s/squeak-vm/
[06:55] <cassou> I see
[06:55] <cassou> what can be done then ?
[06:55] <ogra> look at the logs
[06:55] <ogra> on lauinchpad
[06:55] <cassou> where exactely ?
[06:55] <ogra> sorry i'm very busy with other stuff, launchpad has all info you need
[06:55] <cassou> ok, thanks
[06:56] <cassou> I'll take a look
[06:56] <Gloubiboulga> cassou, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/squeak-vm/+builds
[06:56] <cassou> thank you
[06:57] <cassou> it seems squeak-vm is build correctly on x86
[06:58] <cassou> I'll have a closer look
[07:00] <cassou> thank you
[07:01] <dholbach> did you all notice that Malone can search for Universe bugs now?
[07:02] <bddebian> No
[07:02] <dholbach> http://tinyurl.com/nl87h
[07:06] <dholbach> :-)
[07:07] <Yagisan> w00t. I know why I can't print now. esp ghostscript dies while rendering. :(
[07:07] <dholbach> oh nice
[07:07] <dholbach> tell diziet
[07:07] <dholbach> he'll be delighted to investigate
[07:07] <ogra> heh
[07:07] <Yagisan> great
[09:49] <crimsun> bddebian: ECONTEXT
[09:49] <bddebian> ?
[09:50] <crimsun> /usr/include/IV-2_6/InterViews ?
[09:50] <crimsun> (no context for that question)
[09:50] <bddebian> Oh
[09:50] <cassou> ogra: it seems squeak is published now. Thank you
[09:50] <ogra> yup, as i said it was stuck in NEW ...
[09:50] <cassou> LaserJock: are you here ?
[09:51] <ogra> needed a little kick
[09:51] <ogra> :)
[09:51] <bddebian> crimsun: mxv is getting the wrong path for InterViews/perspective.h
[09:51] <cassou> ogra: thank you for your kick then :-)
[09:51] <crimsun> bddebian: does it use pkg-config?
[09:51] <ogra> i just kicked the guy who kicked the package ;)
[09:51] <cassou> ogra: cool :-)
[09:52] <bddebian> crimsun:
[09:52] <bddebian> ivmkmf -a
[09:52] <bddebian> + imake -T template -I/usr/lib/ivtools/config '-DCURDIR=`pwd`' -DUseInstalled
[09:52] <bddebian> + make Makefile ARCH=LINUX UseInstalled=1
[09:52] <crimsun> well, it shouldn't be an imake problem anymore (fabbione fixed that)
[09:53] <crimsun> if the source file is including the wrong path to perspective.h, then that needs to be fixed
[09:53] <crimsun> if it's not getting the path at all, then yeah, you need -I
[09:53] <bddebian> Oohh, it's finding /usr/X11R6/include instead of /usr/include/..
[09:53] <LaserJock> cassou: yes
[09:53] <cassou> LaserJock: hi
[09:54] <cassou> LaserJock: thank you very much for all your work on squeak
[09:54] <crimsun> huh. I bet ivmkmf wasn't fixed.
[09:54] <LaserJock> oh, heah. Are you the guy with all the bugs?
[09:54] <bddebian> crimsun: That's my guess
[09:54] <cassou> LaserJock: yes, sorry
[09:54] <bddebian> crimsun: Any idea who I'd bug about that?
[09:54] <crimsun> imake (1:1.0.1-0ubuntu2) dapper; urgency=low * Fix xmkmf config path. -- Fabio M. Di Nitto <fabbione@ubuntu.com>  Sat, 28 Jan 2006 10:38:56 +0100
[09:55] <bddebian>  xmkmf?
[09:55] <crimsun> no, ivtools-dev needs to be fixed
[09:55] <bddebian> Aye, I was looking at your imake thing :_)
[09:56] <crimsun> or ivtools, rather
[09:56] <crimsun> yes, look at fabbione's fix. (It's basically a change to use /usr/include/X11 instead)
[09:57] <bddebian> But the ivtools stuff is in /usr/include not /usr/include/X11
[09:58] <crimsun> ivtools-dev provides ivmkmf, correct?
[09:58] <bddebian> afaik
[09:58] <crimsun> so ivmkmf is producing invalid imake templates that use the old XFree86 include path instead of the new modular X.Org one
[09:59] <crimsun> thus ivmkmf needs to be fixed
[09:59] <bddebian> Am I being unclear?
[10:00] <bddebian> I have it :-)
[10:00] <crimsun> oh by all means, fix it
[10:00] <crimsun> I have three honors theses to review by tomorrow
[10:00] <bddebian> Ugh
[10:01] <bddebian> Hmm, weird, configure.in looks right
[10:03] <bddebian> Oh, debian/dirs is wrong I think
[10:04] <crimsun> it's not just debian/*
[10:04] <crimsun> take a look at that nasty Makefile in the toplevel source
[10:05] <bddebian>     + Moved all includes/libs/install dirs from /usr/X11R6/* to /usr/*
[10:05] <bddebian>   * Renamed debian/ivtools-unidraw to debian/ivtools-unidrawc2a
[10:05] <bddebian>   * debian/*.files: Adjusted the paths
[10:06] <bddebian> Maybe just regenerate it with imake?
[10:07] <crimsun> yes, the Makefiles definitely need to be regenerated
[10:12] <bddebian> Ack, what do I pass to imake?
[10:13] <crimsun> don't change the imake invocation. You need to use xmkmf
[10:14] <crimsun> -> office hours
[10:14] <bddebian> Huh?
[10:15] <crimsun> (debian/rules's imake invocation, shown above [?] , is fine)
[10:15] <bddebian> I'm talking about ivtools
[10:17] <crimsun> yes, and that's precisely what I mentioned 30 minutes ago
[10:18] <crimsun> wherever ivtools/config ends up being installed needs to be the path passed to imake in src/scripts/ivmkmf
[10:19] <bddebian> Oh
[10:19] <bddebian> Sorry I'm a little slow :-O)
[10:23] <bddebian> crimsun: Sorry, one last dumb question.  Can I just rebuild or do I have to DO something with ivmkmf first after removing X11R6?
[11:22] <Jobman> Filed Bug #38093 and attached debdiff. Is it correct so far?
[11:22] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 38093 in enigmail-locales "unmet dep" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/38093
[11:33] <bddebian> Later gents
[11:33] <bddebian> Damn I did it again.. AND LADIES :-)
[11:33] <crimsun> bddebian: sorry, just returned
[11:33] <bddebian> Gah :-)
[11:34] <bddebian> OK, I hacked the shit out of debian/*, I've run xmkmf and everything else and it keeps puking :-(
[11:35] <crimsun> bddebian: but did you modify the ivmkmf script?
[11:35] <crimsun> it has hardcoded references to /usr/X11R6/* in it
[11:35] <bddebian> Yes
[11:35] <crimsun> ok
[11:35] <crimsun> I'll look later
[11:36] <bddebian> NP, I gotta head home anyway.  Thanks
[11:36] <crimsun> np, see ya
[11:56] <sivang> can anyone toss me the link to the "the" debina shared library packaging howto? (I know there is one repeatedly referenced doc)
[12:01] <sivang> raphink: any idea? ^^
[12:01] <raphink> sivang: on ?