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| maswan | Setting up snmpd (5.1.2-6.1ubuntu2) ... | 11:32 |
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| maswan | Couldn't create /home/snmp: Read-only file system. | 11:32 |
| maswan | gah! | 11:32 |
| Jeeves_ | Nice :) | 11:33 |
| maswan | Of course it can't create it! | 11:33 |
| maswan | I have centralised home directories | 11:34 |
| lionelp | maswan: juste install snmpd before lanching automount :) | 11:35 |
| maswan | lionelp: No automount, AFS. | 11:35 |
| maswan | And I'm not about to unmount it | 11:35 |
| maswan | which means hacking around in inst scripts etc. | 11:35 |
| maswan | bleh. | 11:35 |
| lionelp | but i agree, snmpd could have a home somewhere else (in /var for exemple) | 11:36 |
| maswan | yeah | 11:36 |
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| maswan | Should be a clear debian policy violation too, but I don't know how well in sync this is with the debian package | 11:37 |
| lionelp | it is the same in the debian package IIRC | 11:37 |
| maswan | lionelp: do you happen to have a sid system around to verify? I don't, otherwise I'd be submitting this to the debian BTS too. | 11:43 |
| lionelp | I was wrong, in sid, the home is /var/lib/snmp | 11:43 |
| lionelp | I have a sid in chroot | 11:43 |
| lionelp | maswan: but is is not the same version | 11:44 |
| lionelp | sid : Version: 5.2.2-3 | 11:45 |
| lionelp | , Dapper : Version: 5.2.1.2-4ubuntu1 | 11:45 |
| lionelp | maswan: you filled a bug ? | 11:46 |
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| infinity | maswan: Eek. Is that on breezy? | 12:02 |
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| lionelp | oh infinity you are right, it is not any more the case in Dapper ! | 12:06 |
| infinity | It isn't? | 12:06 |
| infinity | Looking at the package, it still should have the same bug. | 12:07 |
| lionelp | no, not any more | 12:07 |
| lionelp | it was the case in breezy | 12:07 |
| lionelp | sorry | 12:07 |
| infinity | No, looks like dapper has the same bug to me. | 12:07 |
| infinity | (sid doesn't) | 12:07 |
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| lionelp | infinity: you are right, i forgot to exit chroot after checking Debian.... | 12:14 |
| maswan | infinity: Oh, nope. Breezy. | 12:17 |
| infinity | maswan: Yeah, it's buggy in dapper too. Ficing there. | 12:17 |
| infinity | Fixing, even. | 12:17 |
| infinity | Not going to fix it in breezy-updates, not really critical enough. | 12:17 |
| maswan | infinity: ah, great. | 12:17 |
| maswan | infinity: yeah, the workaround should probably be somewhere findable though, but I don't really know how. | 12:18 |
| infinity | Edit the postinst and add --no-create-home to the adduser call, then try again. :) | 12:18 |
| infinity | adduser --quiet --system --no-create-home --home /var/lib/snmp snmp | 12:18 |
| infinity | That's what it'll look like in dapper in a few minutes. | 12:19 |
| maswan | it runs fine without a home? | 12:22 |
| maswan | or does /var/lib/snmp already exist for other reasons? | 12:22 |
| infinity | maswan: /var/lib/snmp is shipped in the package. | 12:58 |
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| infinity | maswan: You might want to "chown -R snmp /var/lib/snmp" after the package installation, though (the new package in dapper will do so) | 12:58 |
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| tsurc | Hi, kind of a newbie here. I have a HP DL140 G2 server (Read 2*Xeon 4gb Ram 2*80Gb sata HDD) Do I install 686-smp or -server kernel for best performance using dapper? | 01:47 |
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| exobuzz | im considering running ubuntu server edition. I use kubuntu on a desktop machine. Im thinking to try breezy on a server (well.. on a intel mac mini).. wondered what I can expect in comparison to say debian stable in terms of packages/support/stability ? | 01:51 |
| tsurc | I'v looked on the wiki and other places, but draw a blank, what s ther difference between the server kernel and the others. What so special about it? | 01:56 |
| exobuzz | maybe things like v4l etc left out | 01:56 |
| tsurc | does it have smp support? I have a dual xeon server I want to get Windoze off and liberate it | 01:58 |
| tsurc | but I want to get the right kernel installed for the job. like having a 386 kernal on a dual xeon isn't good right? | 01:59 |
| exobuzz | well i guess it wont run quite as well.. | 02:00 |
| infinity | tsurc: You want the -server kernel most likely. | 02:26 |
| infinity | exobuzz: You won't get it to install or boot on an Intel Mac Mini. | 02:27 |
| infinity | exobuzz: We're hoping to have all the pieces in place for that to work in some sane fashion for dapper. | 02:27 |
| infinity | exobuzz: As for comparing to stable, I try pretty hard to make sure that our releases compare in quality. Package selection is nearly identical (for obvious reasons), and support tends to be a bit quicker (security support, especially) | 02:28 |
| exobuzz | infinity: why won't i get it to install ? | 02:32 |
| exobuzz | infinity: I'm smart you know :-) | 02:32 |
| infinity | Because the Intel Macs aren't like other Intel systems. | 02:33 |
| infinity | They're EFI based, not classic PC BIOS based. | 02:33 |
| exobuzz | ive already got elilo up and running | 02:33 |
| exobuzz | :-) | 02:33 |
| exobuzz | just compiling the kernel now ready to boot a live cd and bootstrap ubuntu | 02:33 |
| infinity | Oh, if you're already on your way, then fine. If that's the case, I can't imagine why you'd need to ask the other questions (like how package selection compares between sarge and breezy) | 02:34 |
| exobuzz | infinity: it was more a general question. i didnt mean package selection, i meant quality of packages etc.. configuration level of packages | 02:34 |
| infinity | Pretty darned similar. | 02:34 |
| exobuzz | ok | 02:35 |
| exobuzz | :-) | 02:35 |
| infinity | We don't fork the server stuff very far from Debian. | 02:35 |
| exobuzz | im a little worried about myself btw, as i booted up osx for the first time today. and kinda liked it. should i see a doctor ? | 02:35 |
| exobuzz | :-) | 02:35 |
| exobuzz | i mean.. eye candy mental but | 02:35 |
| infinity | And half the stuff you'd want to install on many home servers (postfix, apache2, php5, mysql, postgresql, etc) is maintained by Ubuntu maintainers in both Debian and Ubuntu. | 02:35 |
| infinity | (ie: Me) | 02:36 |
| infinity | And yes, you should see someone. :) | 02:36 |
| exobuzz | and 3rd party support? for example debian stable users can go and install the dotdeb packages for latest php/mysql.. obviously ubuntu is more up to date that stable anyway. | 02:36 |
| infinity | I like to look at OSX, but I can't stand using it. The fact that it's painfully slow on REALLY FAST hardware doesn't sell it to me as a desktop, and as a server, it's just a bit too.. Quirky. | 02:36 |
| exobuzz | i wouldnt know where to start to use it as a server. everythyings in the wrong place :-) | 02:37 |
| infinity | exobuzz: I wouldn't recommend anyone, Debian or Ubuntu users, install anything from dotdeb. Ever. So, you're asking the wrong man. | 02:37 |
| infinity | I've dealt with more bug reports coming from those packages being broken, because he just blindly mangles and backports my packages with very little thought on his part. | 02:37 |
| exobuzz | ok.. actually i dont use dotdeb.. because my other server is a powerpc mac :-) (and they dont supply powerpc packages) | 02:37 |
| infinity | But I'm not bitter... | 02:37 |
| exobuzz | aah i see ok | 02:37 |
| exobuzz | the main reason im considering ubuntu, is that I really dont want to wait 2 years for the next debian stable :-) | 02:38 |
| infinity | But, in general, some people do provide 3rd party repositories, we also provide our own "backports" repository that will often contain backports of sources from release+1 | 02:38 |
| exobuzz | great | 02:38 |
| infinity | (So, breezy-backports has many backports from dapper, hoary-backports has many backports from breezy, etc) | 02:38 |
| exobuzz | yeh i use some on my desktop kubuntu | 02:38 |
| infinity | Not recommended either, you're generally better off using the stable and supported packages, but hey. If you're a bit nuts, go for it. | 02:38 |
| exobuzz | and ubuntu/kubuntu is great for the desktop.. really lovely | 02:38 |
| infinity | You won't have to wait 2 years for Etch. :) If all goes well, it should be a Christmas release, give or take. | 02:39 |
| exobuzz | i take it breezy has php4 as well as php5 ? and for compatibility i wonder if it has the 3.4 or.. | 02:39 |
| infinity | Debian's aiming for an 18 month cycle these days, while Ubuntu is a 6 month cycle, I think they should complement each other well. | 02:39 |
| exobuzz | hmm.. christmas.. thats a long time to be living with an old php :-) | 02:39 |
| infinity | breezy has 4.4.0 and 5.0.5 | 02:40 |
| exobuzz | 4.4 has compatibility issues with functions returning constants or something doesnt it. hmm | 02:40 |
| exobuzz | it gives notices on them at least | 02:40 |
| infinity | And well it should. | 02:40 |
| exobuzz | they changed something from 4.3->4.4 | 02:40 |
| infinity | You shouldn't display notices in production anyway. | 02:40 |
| infinity | (And you should fix the buggy code) | 02:41 |
| exobuzz | :-) | 02:41 |
| infinity | It was always incorrect to do the things that started throwing notices in 4.4, we just forgot to throw notices.. | 02:41 |
| exobuzz | what if i really like ubuntu server.. then i will want my other server to run it. but its 100 miles away | 02:42 |
| exobuzz | damn :-) | 02:42 |
| infinity | Anyhow, if you really want 4.3, there's a slim chance that the 4.3.10 packages from sarge will install on breezy. | 02:42 |
| infinity | I do remote distro switches all the time (usually because leased machines come with Fedora or CentOS installed, and I want to switch them to Debian or Ubuntu) | 02:43 |
| infinity | It's not terribly much effort. | 02:43 |
| exobuzz | any tips ? im not sure id know where to start.. | 02:44 |
| exobuzz | :-) | 02:44 |
| exobuzz | websvn on sf can be painfully slow.... grrr | 02:47 |
| infinity | Get debootstrap. debootstrap $distro_of_choice into /newroot. Install a static shell (with enough builtins to pull off this trick). Run static shell. rm -rf /(anything not /newroot). mv /newroot/* /. Make sure bootloader is configured and installed on bootblock. Reboot. | 02:47 |
| exobuzz | oh yeh | 02:47 |
| exobuzz | that makes sense | 02:47 |
| exobuzz | :-) | 02:47 |
| infinity | Things to watch out for: Make sure you set a password for at least one user (a regular user with sudo or a root user) in the /newroot chroot when you were creating it. Make sure to install sshd so you can get back in. Don't screw up the kernel and bootloader setup. | 02:47 |
| exobuzz | which static shell do you use ? | 02:47 |
| infinity | sash works well. | 02:48 |
| exobuzz | thanks | 02:49 |
| infinity | I do this on a regular basis, and mostly from muscle memory, so I may have left out a few steps, but you get the general idea. | 02:52 |
| infinity | Just make mental checklist of "ways you can screw yourself" before you reboot and find yourself locked out. | 02:52 |
| infinity | The first time I did this, I created an initial user... Without sudo access.. And didn't set a root password. | 02:53 |
| infinity | The funny half of this story is that the kernel I installed was the woody d-i kernel that had a known root hole, so I rooted myself to get access to the box. | 02:53 |
| infinity | Beat calling up the hosting provider and paying them 50 bucks to reimage with RedHat so I could statr all over. | 02:53 |
| exobuzz | hahaha! | 02:54 |
| exobuzz | *phew* | 02:54 |
| exobuzz | ok.. out of all the technicalities i could stumble across whilst getting linux installed on this intel mac mini | 02:57 |
| exobuzz | how do i eject the cd :-) | 02:57 |
| exobuzz | humph.. | 02:57 |
| exobuzz | one of the buttons on the kb for sure. | 02:57 |
| exobuzz | hold f12 ! simple.. | 02:59 |
| exobuzz | im a genius! | 02:59 |
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| allee | mhmm, ganglia v3 released over a year ago. Are there problems with v3 (beside that debian maintainer didn't upgrade it's pkgs) | 05:19 |
| exobuzz | got ubuntu-server up and running on my intel mac mini now! | 05:20 |
| fabbione | allee: nobody contributed packages and we had no time to do it | 05:23 |
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| allee | fabbione: ok. looks like I'll to do it sooner or later ; | 07:23 |
| allee | exobuzz: congrats | 07:23 |
| exobuzz | :) | 07:24 |
| allee | bbl | 07:25 |
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| tarvid | anybody working with ipp2p or l7-filter? | 10:21 |
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| danf_1979 | Hi | 11:40 |
| danf_1979 | any tutorial for installing apache mod_security? the debian package seesms unavailable from the repos | 11:41 |
| bpuccio | danf_1979: http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/web/libapache2-mod-security it seems mod_security is there | 12:00 |
| bpuccio | for warty, hoary and dapper as well | 12:00 |
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