[11:32] <maswan> Setting up snmpd (5.1.2-6.1ubuntu2) ...
[11:32] <maswan> Couldn't create /home/snmp: Read-only file system.
[11:32] <maswan> gah!
[11:33] <Jeeves_> Nice :)
[11:33] <maswan> Of course it can't create it!
[11:34] <maswan> I have centralised home directories
[11:35] <lionelp> maswan: juste install snmpd before lanching automount :)
[11:35] <maswan> lionelp: No automount, AFS.
[11:35] <maswan> And I'm not about to unmount it
[11:35] <maswan> which means hacking around in inst scripts etc.
[11:35] <maswan> bleh.
[11:36] <lionelp> but i agree, snmpd could have a home somewhere else (in /var for exemple)
[11:36] <maswan> yeah
[11:37] <maswan> Should be a clear debian policy violation too, but I don't know how well in sync this is with the debian package
[11:37] <lionelp> it is the same in the debian package IIRC
[11:43] <maswan> lionelp: do you happen to have a sid system around to verify? I don't, otherwise I'd be submitting this to the debian BTS too.
[11:43] <lionelp> I was wrong, in sid, the home is /var/lib/snmp
[11:43] <lionelp> I have a sid in chroot
[11:44] <lionelp> maswan: but is is not the same version
[11:45] <lionelp> sid : Version: 5.2.2-3
[11:45] <lionelp> , Dapper : Version: 5.2.1.2-4ubuntu1
[11:46] <lionelp> maswan: you filled a bug ?
[12:02] <infinity> maswan: Eek.  Is that on breezy?
[12:06] <lionelp> oh infinity you are right, it is not any more the case in Dapper !
[12:06] <infinity> It isn't?
[12:07] <infinity> Looking at the package, it still should have the same bug.
[12:07] <lionelp> no, not any more
[12:07] <lionelp> it was the case in breezy
[12:07] <lionelp> sorry
[12:07] <infinity> No, looks like dapper has the same bug to me.
[12:07] <infinity> (sid doesn't)
[12:14] <lionelp> infinity: you are right, i forgot to exit chroot after checking Debian....
[12:17] <maswan> infinity: Oh, nope. Breezy.
[12:17] <infinity> maswan: Yeah, it's buggy in dapper too.  Ficing there.
[12:17] <infinity> Fixing, even.
[12:17] <infinity> Not going to fix it in breezy-updates, not really critical enough.
[12:17] <maswan> infinity: ah, great.
[12:18] <maswan> infinity: yeah, the workaround should probably be somewhere findable though, but I don't really know how.
[12:18] <infinity> Edit the postinst and add --no-create-home to the adduser call, then try again. :)
[12:18] <infinity>         adduser --quiet --system --no-create-home --home /var/lib/snmp snmp
[12:19] <infinity> That's what it'll look like in dapper in a few minutes.
[12:22] <maswan> it runs fine without a home?
[12:22] <maswan> or does /var/lib/snmp already exist for other reasons?
[12:58] <infinity> maswan: /var/lib/snmp is shipped in the package.
[12:58] <infinity> maswan: You might want to "chown -R snmp /var/lib/snmp" after the package installation, though (the new package in dapper will do so)
[01:47] <tsurc> Hi, kind of a newbie here. I have a HP DL140 G2 server (Read 2*Xeon 4gb Ram 2*80Gb sata HDD) Do I install 686-smp or -server kernel for best performance using dapper?
[01:51] <exobuzz> im considering running ubuntu server edition. I use kubuntu on a desktop machine. Im thinking to try breezy on a server (well.. on a intel mac mini).. wondered what I can expect in comparison to say debian stable in terms of packages/support/stability ?
[01:56] <tsurc> I'v looked on the wiki and other places, but draw a blank, what s ther difference between the server kernel and the others. What so special about it?
[01:56] <exobuzz> maybe things like v4l etc left out
[01:58] <tsurc> does it have smp support? I have a dual xeon server I want to get Windoze off and liberate it
[01:59] <tsurc> but I want to get the right kernel installed for the job. like having a 386 kernal on a dual xeon isn't good right?
[02:00] <exobuzz> well i guess it wont run quite as well..
[02:26] <infinity> tsurc: You want the -server kernel most likely.
[02:27] <infinity> exobuzz: You won't get it to install or boot on an Intel Mac Mini.
[02:27] <infinity> exobuzz: We're hoping to have all the pieces in place for that to work in some sane fashion for dapper.
[02:28] <infinity> exobuzz: As for comparing to stable, I try pretty hard to make sure that our releases compare in quality.  Package selection is nearly identical (for obvious reasons), and support tends to be a bit quicker (security support, especially)
[02:32] <exobuzz> infinity: why won't i get it to install  ?
[02:32] <exobuzz> infinity: I'm smart you know :-)
[02:33] <infinity> Because the Intel Macs aren't like other Intel systems.
[02:33] <infinity> They're EFI based, not classic PC BIOS based.
[02:33] <exobuzz> ive already got elilo up and running
[02:33] <exobuzz> :-)
[02:33] <exobuzz> just compiling the kernel now ready to boot a live cd and bootstrap ubuntu
[02:34] <infinity> Oh, if you're already on your way, then fine.  If that's the case, I can't imagine why you'd need to ask the other questions (like how package selection compares between sarge and breezy)
[02:34] <exobuzz> infinity: it was more a general question. i didnt mean package selection, i meant quality of packages etc.. configuration level of packages
[02:34] <infinity> Pretty darned similar.
[02:35] <exobuzz> ok
[02:35] <exobuzz> :-)
[02:35] <infinity> We don't fork the server stuff very far from Debian.
[02:35] <exobuzz> im a little worried about myself btw, as i booted up osx for the first time today. and kinda liked it. should i see a doctor ?
[02:35] <exobuzz> :-)
[02:35] <exobuzz> i mean.. eye candy mental but
[02:35] <infinity> And half the stuff you'd want to install on many home servers (postfix, apache2, php5, mysql, postgresql, etc) is maintained by Ubuntu maintainers in both Debian and Ubuntu.
[02:36] <infinity> (ie: Me)
[02:36] <infinity> And yes, you should see someone. :)
[02:36] <exobuzz> and 3rd party support? for example debian stable users can go and install the dotdeb packages for latest php/mysql.. obviously ubuntu is more up to date that stable anyway.
[02:36] <infinity> I like to look at OSX, but I can't stand using it.  The fact that it's painfully slow on REALLY FAST hardware doesn't sell it to me as a desktop, and as a server, it's just a bit too.. Quirky.
[02:37] <exobuzz> i wouldnt know where to start to use it as a server. everythyings in the wrong place :-)
[02:37] <infinity> exobuzz: I wouldn't recommend anyone, Debian or Ubuntu users, install anything from dotdeb.  Ever.  So, you're asking the wrong man.
[02:37] <infinity> I've dealt with more bug reports coming from those packages being broken, because he just blindly mangles and backports my packages with very little thought on his part.
[02:37] <exobuzz> ok.. actually i dont use dotdeb.. because my other server is a powerpc mac :-) (and they dont supply powerpc packages)
[02:37] <infinity> But I'm not bitter...
[02:37] <exobuzz> aah i see ok
[02:38] <exobuzz> the main reason im considering ubuntu, is that I really dont want to wait 2 years for the next debian stable :-)
[02:38] <infinity> But, in general, some people do provide 3rd party repositories, we also provide our own "backports" repository that will often contain backports of sources from release+1
[02:38] <exobuzz> great
[02:38] <infinity> (So, breezy-backports has many backports from dapper, hoary-backports has many backports from breezy, etc)
[02:38] <exobuzz> yeh i use some on my desktop kubuntu
[02:38] <infinity> Not recommended either, you're generally better off using the stable and supported packages, but hey.  If you're a bit nuts, go for it.
[02:38] <exobuzz> and ubuntu/kubuntu is great for the desktop.. really lovely
[02:39] <infinity> You won't have to wait 2 years for Etch. :)  If all goes well, it should be a Christmas release, give or take.
[02:39] <exobuzz> i take it breezy has php4 as well as php5 ? and for compatibility i wonder if it has the 3.4 or..
[02:39] <infinity> Debian's aiming for an 18 month cycle these days, while Ubuntu is a 6 month cycle, I think they should complement each other well.
[02:39] <exobuzz> hmm.. christmas.. thats a long time to be living with an old php :-)
[02:40] <infinity> breezy has 4.4.0 and 5.0.5
[02:40] <exobuzz> 4.4 has compatibility issues with functions returning constants or something doesnt it. hmm
[02:40] <exobuzz> it gives notices on them at least
[02:40] <infinity> And well it should.
[02:40] <exobuzz> they changed something from 4.3->4.4
[02:40] <infinity> You shouldn't display notices in production anyway.
[02:41] <infinity> (And you should fix the buggy code)
[02:41] <exobuzz> :-)
[02:41] <infinity> It was always incorrect to do the things that started throwing notices in 4.4, we just forgot to throw notices..
[02:42] <exobuzz> what if i really like ubuntu server.. then i will want my other server to run it. but its 100 miles away
[02:42] <exobuzz> damn :-)
[02:42] <infinity> Anyhow, if you really want 4.3, there's a slim chance that the 4.3.10 packages from sarge will install on breezy.
[02:43] <infinity> I do remote distro switches all the time (usually because leased machines come with Fedora or CentOS installed, and I want to switch them to Debian or Ubuntu)
[02:43] <infinity> It's not terribly much effort.
[02:44] <exobuzz> any tips ? im not sure id know where to start..
[02:44] <exobuzz> :-)
[02:47] <exobuzz> websvn on sf can be painfully slow.... grrr
[02:47] <infinity> Get debootstrap.  debootstrap $distro_of_choice into /newroot.  Install a static shell (with enough builtins to pull off this trick).  Run static shell.  rm -rf /(anything not /newroot).  mv /newroot/* /.  Make sure bootloader is configured and installed on bootblock.  Reboot.
[02:47] <exobuzz> oh yeh
[02:47] <exobuzz> that makes sense
[02:47] <exobuzz> :-)
[02:47] <infinity> Things to watch out for:  Make sure you set a password for at least one user (a regular user with sudo or a root user) in the /newroot chroot when you were creating it.  Make sure to install sshd so you can get back in.  Don't screw up the kernel and bootloader setup.
[02:47] <exobuzz> which static shell do you use ?
[02:48] <infinity> sash works well.
[02:49] <exobuzz> thanks
[02:52] <infinity> I do this on a regular basis, and mostly from muscle memory, so I may have left out a few steps, but you get the general idea.
[02:52] <infinity> Just make mental checklist of "ways you can screw yourself" before you reboot and find yourself locked out.
[02:53] <infinity> The first time I did this, I created an initial user... Without sudo access.. And didn't set a root password.
[02:53] <infinity> The funny half of this story is that the kernel I installed was the woody d-i kernel that had a known root hole, so I rooted myself to get access to the box.
[02:53] <infinity> Beat calling up the hosting provider and paying them 50 bucks to reimage with RedHat so I could statr all over.
[02:54] <exobuzz> hahaha!
[02:54] <exobuzz> *phew*
[02:57] <exobuzz> ok.. out of all the technicalities i could stumble across whilst getting linux installed on this intel mac mini
[02:57] <exobuzz> how do i eject the cd :-)
[02:57] <exobuzz> humph..
[02:57] <exobuzz> one of the buttons on the kb for sure.
[02:59] <exobuzz> hold f12 ! simple..
[02:59] <exobuzz> im a genius!
[05:19] <allee> mhmm, ganglia v3 released over a year ago. Are there problems with v3 (beside that debian maintainer didn't upgrade it's pkgs)
[05:20] <exobuzz> got ubuntu-server up and running on my intel mac mini now!
[05:23] <fabbione> allee: nobody contributed packages and we had no time to do it
[07:23] <allee> fabbione: ok. looks like I'll to do it sooner or later ;
[07:23] <allee> exobuzz: congrats
[07:24] <exobuzz> :)
[07:25] <allee> bbl
[10:21] <tarvid> anybody working with ipp2p or l7-filter?
[11:40] <danf_1979> Hi
[11:41] <danf_1979> any tutorial for installing apache mod_security? the debian package seesms unavailable from the repos
[12:00] <bpuccio> danf_1979:  http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/web/libapache2-mod-security it seems mod_security is there
[12:00] <bpuccio> for warty, hoary and dapper as well