[12:15] <Sergi0> guys, anyone knows if edubuntu does mix with the mythtv project? basicly a backend setup on the server will not be hard, but using a frontend on a thinclient, will that be hard or am totaly wrong here and will work?
[12:15] <Burgwork> Sergi0, hmm, that would be interesting. No idea
[12:16] <ogra> Sergi0, i was planning something like that, yes
[12:16] <ogra> it will work with some tweaks to ltsp
[12:16] <Sergi0> well, thats just my point :) in my schooltime we did watch tv (recorded stuff and live) so for schools it would be great, and a big bonus for using edubuntu in the school
[12:17] <ogra> the problem is the transfer of the video in the thin client network
[12:17] <Sergi0> it is?
[12:17] <ogra> did you try to run a totem videostream on a thin client ? 
[12:18] <ogra> if you dont run it locally on the client it gets very bad
[12:18] <Sergi0> ehm nope, i've planning a test setup, but nothing edubuntu so far. but the project itself interest me somehow
[12:18] <ogra> (chppy)
[12:18] <Sergi0> ah
[12:18] <ogra> you need to run it locally, which isnt supported yet ...
[12:19] <ogra> but i was planning to implement a ltsp kiosk mode for dapper+1 or +2, there you will be able to just tell the client what app to run 
[12:19] <Sergi0> so at this point streaming on a ltsp network is just a nono
[12:20] <ogra> (merely for internet cafes that only need a fullscreen browser, but not limited to that)
[12:20] <Sergi0> ah well thats cool too
[12:20] <ogra> so you could just run mythtv locally on the thin client instead of a browser
[12:21] <ogra> but thats all still in planning state ... 
[12:21] <Sergi0> but u got me right here? just using the mythtv-frontend will not work?
[12:21] <ogra> as well as full thick clients (complete diskless PCs that boot off the ltsp server)
[12:22] <ogra> i'm not a mythtv user, but i suspect just using the frontend will eat a lot of bandwith ... that will need testing etc .. i cant say anything yet 
[12:23] <ogra> but its in any case planned for either the october or the next april release
[12:23] <ogra> (as time permits)
[12:23] <Sergi0> hmmm but a backend server setup on the edubuntu server will be okay, and maybe just one machine (a hdd install) with tv-out could use the frontend
[12:23] <ogra> try it ;)
[12:23] <Sergi0> u got right about the bandwith, thats a big isue 
[12:25] <Sergi0> well, maybe ill just test something withing the next few days or so, ill let u know if anything works 
[12:26] <ogra> thatd be cool :)
[12:27] <Sergi0> thx for the info
[12:29] <Burgwork> ogra, littlewizard just hit debian
[12:29] <Burgwork> as did mediawiki 1.5
[12:29] <ogra> hmm
[12:29] <ogra> whats littlewizard ?
[12:29] <ogra> Sergi0, thanks for the suggestion :)
[12:30] <Burgwork> http://littlewizard.sourceforge.net/ <-- we looked at it a while back
[12:30] <ogra> oh, yes, quite a while :)
[12:31] <Burgwork> your memory is going. It has only been two or so months :)
[12:31] <Sergi0> btw one last thingie for now, are any of the children tools/games etc etc desent translated into dutch?
[12:32] <Burgwork> Sergi0, you can help translate them
[12:33] <ogra> gcompris is still missing a -nl soundpackage ...
[12:34] <Sergi0> Burgwork: i will, just curious if there is any around. (im dislectic btw :P ) could'nt hurt to try :)
[12:34] <ogra> not sure about the state of the tux4kids or kdeedu stuff
[12:34] <ogra> we could just merge -de and -en to get dutch for gcompris ;P
[12:35] <Burgwork> kdeedu seems to have dutch work
[12:35] <Sergi0> guess ill find out when i do some testing, thx
[12:36] <ogra> i know spacey uses edubuntu a lot in a school environment, but i'm not sure if he uses it in dutch or english
[12:37] <ogra> i guess you two should talk :)
[12:37] <spacey> the school uses dutch
[12:37] <spacey> personally i use english
[12:37] <Sergi0> well, thats about what im up too :)
[12:38] <spacey> talk about what?
[12:39] <ogra> dunno ... dutch ?
[12:39] <Sergi0> spacey: edubuntu in dutch
[12:40] <spacey> ok sure
[12:40] <spacey> but not now
[12:40] <spacey> i'm going to sleep
[12:40] <ogra> me as well...
[12:40] <spacey> just ping me later this week on irc Sergi0
[12:41] <Sergi0> spacey: okay i will :) thx
[12:41] <spacey> good night
[12:41] <Sergi0> good idea
[12:41] <Sergi0> gn 
[01:03] <Sergi0> !botsnack
[01:03] <ubotu> :)
[06:39] <mwright1nigh1> ogra: have you seen https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gnome-vfs2/+bug/36647
[08:47] <JaneW> hello highvoltage 
[08:51] <Burgundavia> JaneW: oh?
[08:51] <JaneW> well my neck is conspiring against me
[08:51] <Burgundavia> ah
[08:52] <Burgundavia> do you not have a husband to massage it?
[08:52] <JaneW> started being stiff on week-end and is getting progressively worse, for no apparent reason
[08:52] <JaneW> eventually went to the chiro and started taking painkillers yesterday
[08:52] <JaneW> still no improvement
[08:52] <JaneW> so I am lying down now :)
[08:53] <JaneW> which is not nearly as nice as you would imagine it to be.
[08:59] <highvoltage> hell JaneW 
[08:59] <highvoltage> erm.. hello :)
[09:00] <highvoltage> JaneW: ouch :(
[09:00] <JaneW> nod
[09:00] <JaneW> I wish I knew what was wrong
[09:00] <JaneW> it's more than a little concerning now
[09:54] <highvoltage> JaneW: i'm even more glad now that you didn't go on fear factor
[09:55] <JaneW> yup
[09:55] <JaneW> I prefer the traditional format much more
[09:56] <highvoltage> yeah. and it would've hurt your back more too. the poeple have to do crazy things.
[09:56] <highvoltage> ogra: ping
[10:17] <spacey> the UTC times are really inconvienant for me now
[10:18] <spacey> since the summertime
[10:18] <spacey> you have summertime in .za as well? or is it always summertime there?:)
[10:19] <spacey> JaneW: i hope you get well soon
[10:19] <JaneW> spacey: thanks
[10:19] <spacey> with utc times i mean the meeting times in utc
[10:19] <spacey> :)
[10:20] <spacey> before it was just after lunch
[10:20] <spacey> now its in the middle of the afternoon
[10:20] <JaneW> spacey: we are always on UTC+2
[10:20] <JaneW> and we are in autumn atm
[10:21] <spacey> hehe
[10:21] <JaneW> we don't fall for the silly daylight savings idea
[10:21] <JaneW> it doesn't make sense to me at all
[10:21] <spacey> you just have more daylight i guess:p
[10:21] <JaneW> yes we have lots
[10:22] <spacey> in the winter its dark when i go to work
[10:22] <spacey> and dark when i get back
[10:23] <spacey> when the daylight is available i'm inside
[10:23] <JaneW> here too, it get light after 7am and starts getting dark at 6pm
[10:23] <spacey> i hate that
[10:23] <spacey> depressing
[10:24] <spacey> i can't be at the edubuntu today, since i have another meeting at 15:00
[10:25] <spacey> too bad i cannot attend
[10:25] <spacey> on the brightside
[10:25] <spacey> i will sign a contract
[10:25] <spacey> for some officespace :)
[10:29] <JaneW> yay
[10:45] <highvoltage> spacey: how are things?
[11:11] <spacey> highvoltage: regarding?
[11:11] <spacey> :)
[11:13] <highvoltage> spacey: whatever you like :)
 on the brightside
 i will sign a contract
 for some officespace :)
[11:13] <spacey> * spacey happy
[11:13] <spacey> i like that
[11:13] <spacey> :D
[11:14] <highvoltage> :)
[11:14] <spacey> i'll post it on my blog :)
[11:14] <spacey> when i have the keys
[11:14] <spacey> :D
[11:15] <spacey> its really fancy
[11:15] <spacey> :)
[11:15] <spacey> a fancy 22 square meters
[11:50] <pips1> blimey, it's snowing again in switzerland, I thought it's spring!?
[11:50] <pips1> heavy thick snow
[12:03] <jane_> ogra: ping
[12:16] <spacey> JaneW: when is the cookbook stuff scheduled?
[12:24] <JaneW> spacey: was a time agreed on
[12:24] <JaneW> ?
[12:25] <JaneW> I thought Pygi was setting it up?
[12:25] <JaneW> we all gave days and times to him?
[12:33] <spacey> i heard no result
[12:34] <spacey> i would like to know a date so i can plan it
[12:34] <spacey> else i cannot be sure to make it
[12:42] <JaneW> indeed me too
[12:42] <JaneW> I would suggest today
[12:43] <JaneW> but my mobility is limited
[12:43] <JaneW> and tomorrow I have the DDSU Meeting and report and another client meeting
[12:43] <JaneW> so perhaps friday is best?
[01:10] <spacey> fine with me
[01:10] <spacey> my friday is *still* free
[01:16] <JaneW> I just have a chiro appt at 12:00
[01:16] <ogra> JaneW, pong
[01:16] <JaneW> which is 10:00UTC
[01:17] <JaneW> ogra: nm, I was just stirring
[01:17] <ogra> :)
[01:17] <JaneW> re flint's mail
[01:17] <ogra> which one ? 
[01:18] <JaneW> LPI
[01:18] <ogra> i'm just going through my backlog ... or do you mean the certification mail
[01:18] <ogra> hehe
[01:18] <JaneW> gave me a chuckle too ;)
[01:18] <ogra> yes, someone must teach him about crossposting it seems
[01:19] <ogra> he sent it to everybody, but the people that should get it :)
[01:26] <spacey> here did he sent it to?
[01:26] <spacey> at least i don't see it anywhere
[01:26] <ogra> every mailing list he could find it seems
[01:27] <spacey> i guess he didn't find edubuntu-devel then
[01:27] <ogra> -users -announce -devel -devel-announce and i think 3 others
[01:27] <ogra> (too lazy to dig it up again)
[01:27] <spacey> like the announce lists work
[01:27] <spacey> for replying
[01:29] <spacey> its not on -devel at least
[01:29] <spacey> i guess he wasn't subscribed
[01:29] <ogra> yep
[01:29] <ogra> but it hit -users
[01:31] <spacey> a search for flint in the april archive has no hits
[01:31] <spacey> ah well
[01:34] <ogra> *sigh* 
[01:34] <ogra> 30 new bugs for me ...
[01:35] <ogra> mdz is like a dancing derwish currently ...
[02:36] <highvoltage> what's a derwish?
[02:37] <ogra> google maroc derwish :)
[02:43] <highvoltage> anyone know how we could get edubuntu these: http://linux-schlepptops.de/product_info.php?cPath=22&products_id=28
[02:52] <highvoltage> JaneW: feeling better?
[02:53] <JaneW> highvoltage: not yet
[02:53] <highvoltage> :(
[02:57] <zakame> evening all
[03:01] <ogra> highvoltage, btw, i typoed it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dervish
[03:08] <pips1> hi
[03:09] <ogra> pips1, if you fiddles with IP settings after install, its likely that you need to run ltsp-update-sshkeys 
[03:10] <pips1> no, i didn't change the IP settings after install, but thanks for the hint
[03:10] <pips1> i was able to ssh from the client to the server
[03:12] <pips1> my client doesn't seem to get an ip from the server's dhcp... but not sure... I'll need to investigate later, now i need to get back to work.
[03:12] <ogra> whithout the yes/no question from ssh ... 
[03:12] <ogra> ?
[03:13] <ogra> if it booted, it got an IP#
[03:13] <pips1> yes, there was a question for importing the server key
[03:13] <ogra> aha
[03:13] <ogra> thats what ltsp-update-sshkeys does in the client chroot ... and the reason why you cant log in
[03:15] <pips1> i chose F12 on thinkpad to boot via pxe, on the screen it gave me a little turning/spinning slash indicating it was busy trying to connect to the server (waiting for dhcp?) on after a certain time, I was dropped into grub
[03:16] <pips1> oh, so you are saying I need to run  ltsp-update-sshkeys on the server and then I should work
[03:16] <pips1> ?
[03:17] <pips1> ogra, sorry I need to go, talk to you later :-)
[03:20] <highvoltage> ogra: hehe. ok now i know what Dervish means
[03:20] <highvoltage> pips1: what version of PXE does that laptop run?
[03:21] <highvoltage> pips1: many pre version 1 versions of PXE were in use 5 years+ ago that doesn't work with LTSP
[03:40] <highvoltage> hmmm.. some of my jabber contacts say 503: service unavailable
[04:48] <hieuvo> omg
[04:48] <hieuvo> the edubuntu cd cant be used in new machine with dvd burner but can be read from old machine with cd dirve
[04:48] <hieuvo> soooo funny
[04:48] <ogra> i usually test with DVDs 
[04:49] <hieuvo> what u mean ?
[04:49] <ogra> i usually burn the isos on DVD for testing, they work just fine here
[04:55] <hieuvo> u burn iso size of a cd into a dvd???
[04:56] <ogra> yup
[04:56] <hieuvo> omg i got this message: you dont have enough RAM to install FC onto this machine!! how please?
[04:56] <hieuvo> ogra can u help?
[04:56] <ogra> i have an amd64 laptop here wher the DVD player is broken and cant read CDs, i test i386 and amd64 on it 
[05:05] <ogra> (i use DVDRW btw, else it gets expensive :) )
[05:05] <hieuvo> haha true
[08:10] <MEagain> I am having problems with my bittorrent client... My router ports are already set forwarded and I have no external firewalls....
[08:10] <MEagain> Do I have ports disabled by default in Edubuntu by chance?
[08:11] <ogra> nope
[08:11] <MEagain> strange 
[08:11] <ogra> unless you installed a firewall manually
[08:11] <MEagain> the software says there is a firewall
[08:11] <MEagain> but I see nothing
[08:11] <MEagain> I will keep looking then :)
[08:11] <ogra> i.e. firestarter or something similar weird
[08:11] <MEagain> no I don't like firewalls on my desktop
[08:13] <ogra> if you didnt explicitly set one up, then there is none, edubuntu doesnt install any firewall
[08:13] <MEagain> ok :)
[08:18] <MEagain> found it!
[08:18] <MEagain> I feel dumb
[08:18] <MEagain> I entered wrong static IP on router forwarding
[08:30] <mhz> hehe, I know upgrading to dapper via APT is not wise. However, after last Flisol, at least 5 guys said they had no issues doing so. Then, I did it!
[08:30] <mhz> I now have a very screwed up OS
[08:31] <mhz> the good part of this is that I managed to set the BIOS to recognize a USB floppy to be read at booting time
[08:31] <mhz> Now I am looking up ways to install Edubuntu again but in a more traditional way. (last time I did it via net)
[08:34] <mhz> supports booting from almost all kinds of IDE ATAPI CD-ROM, including PCMCIA CD-ROMs
[08:52] <pips1> ogra, you around?
[08:54] <pips1> trying to test flight6... my server is AMD and my client is i386... so I guess I just follow the instructions at https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/LTSPCrossArchSetup ... 
[09:11] <ogra> nope
[09:12] <ogra> pips1, just sudo rm -r /opt/ltsp/amd64 && sudo ltsp-build-client --arch i386
[09:15] <pips1> ogra: oops, ok
[09:16] <lucasvo> ogra: could you do me a favour and give me the latest ppc chroot for dapper?
[09:17] <lucasvo> I have an ibook without a HD and not enough ram to build the chroot
[09:17] <ogra> lucasvo, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveCDCustomizationHowTo?highlight=%28LiveCD%29%7C%28custom%29
[09:17] <lucasvo> ubuntulivecd sucks, it hangs because of problems with automount
[09:17] <lucasvo> not very useful for hdrepair
[09:17] <ogra> err
[09:18] <ogra>  https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/LTSPCrossArchSetup 
[09:18] <ogra> thats what i meant
[09:19] <pips1> ogra: so what does the command you suggest above do? i gets rid of amd-ltsp and runs i386-ltsp ?
[09:19] <lucasvo> ogra: thanks
[09:20] <ogra> pips1, yep
[09:20] <lucasvo> ogra: the problem is every LiveCD I tried out on this machine failed !
[09:20] <ogra> we cant set up an i386 chroot on install for amd64 since there are no i386 packges on the CD
[09:20] <ogra> lucasvo, did you file bugs about that so the CD can be fixed ? 
[09:22] <pips1> ogra, i take it you can run i386 code on a AMD64, it's just not quite optimised performance-wise, right?
[09:24] <lucasvo> pips1: I don't have performance problems with i386
[09:24] <lucasvo> ogra: new bug should be reported into launchpad?
[09:25] <ogra> pips1, yep
[09:25] <ogra> lucasvo, yep
[09:25] <cbx33> ogra, boo
[09:26] <ogra> heh
[09:26] <ogra> hey cbx33 
[09:26] <ogra> sorry, i'm blind
[09:26] <cbx33> hiya ogra 
[09:26] <cbx33> nah...just shortsighted :p
[09:27] <cbx33> so come on then ogra what you guys need help with
[09:32] <lucasvo> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/38258
[09:32] <lucasvo> ogra: so, now I should wait till somebody fixes it?
[09:34] <ogra> lucasvo, choosing the right package helps a lot ... i guess Mithrandir will answer soon
[09:34] <lucasvo> ogra: I don't know which package it affects
[09:35] <ogra> but i do, i fixed it ..
[09:36] <lucasvo> thanks
[09:38] <pips1> yeah, unless you know all components that make up a complete GNU/Linux system, it's hard to know what package to assign to when you file a bug... :-/
[09:39] <pips1> on the upside, you never stop learning new stuff with GNU/Linux, eh? :-) 
[09:39] <ogra> thats ok ... mdz does nothing else than sitting and sorting bugs currently 
[09:39] <lucasvo> pips1: hm, no, if evolution crashes it isn't a problem of esd for sure :)
[09:39] <ogra> but if you report a bug in the liveCD it helps to choose ubuntu-live as the package ;)
[09:40] <pips1> lucasvo: hehe
[09:40] <ogra> pips1, takes a while :)
[09:40] <pips1> ogra: hehe
[09:40] <lucasvo> ogra: any news about "miu"ubuntu?
[09:40] <lucasvo> dapper+1?
[09:41] <lucasvo> or +2? that would be cool, but probably quite hard to do
[09:41] <ogra> nope ... and i doubt anybody has time to think about it before release
[09:41] <ogra> we're all very busy (i work ~16-18h a day atm)
[09:41] <pips1> pheeeeew
[09:41] <Burgwork> lucasvo, miuubuntu?
[09:41] <pips1> omg
[09:42] <ogra> buntu !
[09:42] <lucasvo> Burgwork: yes, for pocketpc
[09:42] <Burgwork> ah
[09:42] <pips1> ogra: I'll need to buy you a beer next time we meet :-)
[09:42] <lucasvo> see familiar.handhelds.org
[09:42] <Burgwork> I think maemo is more interesting project, tbh
[09:42] <ogra> Burgwork, or multimedia miniPCs
[09:42] <lucasvo> yes
[09:43] <Burgwork> maemo 2.0 is planning to actually have proper dpkg support
[09:43] <ogra> like digital videorecorders ... DVD players etc
[09:43] <lucasvo> homeautomation, carpc etc.
[09:43] <ogra> buntu == embedded ubuntu
[09:43] <pips1> haha, I read carpet-pc at first :-)
[09:44] <lucasvo> lol, I'd rather have a carpet-oled
[09:44] <lucasvo> :)
[09:44] <ogra> Burgwork, maemo makes nice t-shirts :P i'm just wearing one of them 
[09:45] <Burgwork> wearing one of them right now? cool
[09:45] <pips1> enhance your life, with a miu-carpet-pc!
[09:45] <pips1> lucasvo: what would you display on your carpet-oled then?
[09:46] <ogra> Burgwork, yes, funny hazard (i didnt plan to talk about maemo today :) )
[09:47] <lucasvo> pips1: these patterns you see, when you took (too much) lsd
[09:47] <Burgwork> maybe someone from ubuntu should chat with the maemo people are hooking efforts up together
[09:47] <pips1> lucasvo: wooah
[09:48] <ogra> Burgwork, we did ... in stuttgart last year 
[09:48] <ogra> makr was there as well 
[09:48] <ogra> but we dont do embedded stuff yet
[09:48] <ogra> *mark indeed
[09:49] <Burgwork> cool
[09:52] <pips1> so ogra, the ltsp-build-client is everything that is needed by clients (as apposed to the server) ?
[09:53] <ogra> yep
[09:53] <ogra> you need dhcp,tftp,nfs on the server (which ltsp-server-standalone installs and sets up) and ltsp-build-client to create the client environment 
[09:53] <pips1> purely in terms of hardisk space, how does the client stuff compare to the server stuff?
[09:54] <ogra> the client chroot is ~400M big
[09:55] <pips1> I mean, by the looks of it, the client stuff is pretty much a complete GNU/Linux system ...
[09:55] <pips1> aha
[09:57] <pips1> once I'm done, all client chroot is going to be i386 and the server stuff (dhcp, tftp, nfs) will still run AMD64 code, right?
[09:57] <ogra> its a ubuntu-milimal system + X + ltsp-client
[09:57] <ogra> X is the big part
[09:58] <pips1> ah, interesting :-)
[09:59] <pips1> hurray, done
[10:02] <pips1> ogra: do I need to restart anything now? 
[10:02] <pips1> nfs-kernel-server or smth?
[10:02] <ogra> if it doesnt work on first attempt ...
[10:03] <pips1> ok, i'll try
[10:03] <ogra> but usually it does ...
[10:05] <pips1> that didn't work :-( looks like it didn't get an ip from dhcp or smth
[10:05] <ogra> meh
[10:05] <pips1> how do I debug this?
[10:06] <ogra> check your dhcp server 
[10:06] <pips1> how?
[10:07] <ogra> the config ...
[10:07] <ogra> does it run 
[10:07] <ogra> is it the only one in your network etc
[10:07] <ogra> what we did last time 
[10:07] <pips1> ah
[10:07] <pips1> sure :-)
[10:08] <ogra> sorry i'm very busy and lagging with my work i have to have finished tommorow morning ... and currently get bombed with questions in 6 channels
[10:09] <pips1> ogra: wow, ok, I'll hold off and try to figure out as much as I can by myself
[10:11] <ogra> thanks 
[10:14] <mhz> ogra, in breezy, I get IP from clients BUT, also this error:
[10:14] <mhz> PXE-T01: File not found
[10:15] <mhz> PDE-E3B: TFTP Error - File Not found
[10:15] <ogra> look like your tftp is broken
[10:15] <mhz> PXE-E3B: TFTP Error - File Not found
[10:15] <mhz> yup
[10:15] <mhz> but it was a fresh default install (iirc)
[10:16] <ogra> and you dont have *any* dhcp server around apart from the edubuntu server ?
[10:17] <mhz> hmm, nope. My typical homeserver -> swiths -> thin laptop
[10:18] <mhz> switch
[10:18] <mhz> ogra, and there is nothing under ls /opt/ltsp/
[10:18] <ogra> then surely something went wrong
[10:18] <mhz> yup
[10:19] <mhz> reinstall edubuntu-server or better way?
[10:19] <ogra> you are sure thats a edubuntu CD ?
[10:19] <mhz> nope, my last copy ws given away in Flisol
[10:19] <mhz> so this was Ubuntu -> Edubuntu
[10:19] <ogra> oh
[10:20] <ogra> but you followed the ThinClientHowto to set it up then ? 
[10:20] <ogra> just installing edubuntu-server doesnt set up stuff like the CD does
[10:20] <ogra> you need to do all manually then
[10:22] <mhz> #
[10:22] <mhz> A sense of adventure
[10:22] <mhz> #
[10:22] <mhz> A burning desire to send feedback to [WWW]  ubuntu-devel
[10:22] <mhz>  LOL!!
[10:22] <mhz> ogra, oh, I see. Okis then. thx
[10:22] <mhz> I know how to fix it
[10:22] <ogra> sudo ltsp-build-client 
[10:23] <ogra> and set up the dhcp server should be sufficient
[10:29] <mhz> yeah, and editing /etc/hosts.allow
[10:30] <axl000> HOLA MHZ
[10:30] <mhz> axl000, hey, man
[10:30] <axl000> como estas
[10:31] <mhz> fine. Thx. Di you get answers from ML regarding your Alsa problem?
[10:31] <ogra> mhz, noo
[10:31] <ogra> mhz, dont follow that parts 
[10:31] <mhz> ogra, oops, no? dont edit etc/hosts.allow?
[10:31] <ogra> only the ltsp-build-client
[10:31] <ogra> thatscrap 
[10:31] <mhz> ogra, oohh, good to know
[10:32] <axl000> mhz, me podrias contar un poco como se hace para instalar linux booteando desde red
[10:33] <mhz> axl000, hmmm, yes, I could
[10:33] <mhz> axl000, could you read a simple howto in english?
[10:33] <axl000> oka
[10:33] <axl000> si
[10:33] <mhz> axl000, te dare una url entonces
[10:33] <mhz> the same I used to install via net
[10:34] <axl000> ok
[10:34] <mhz> axl000, does your pc boot from floppy?
[10:34] <mhz> or no floppy?
[10:34] <axl000> no floppy
[10:34] <mhz> my case is "no floppy, no CD"
[10:35] <mhz> cool
[10:35] <axl000> jeje
[10:35] <mhz> axl000, do you have other OS installed in hd?
[10:35] <axl000> m$
[10:36] <mhz> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Installation/FromWindows
[10:41] <pips1> ogra: don't know what's wrong, attempting to book via PXE gives me "No DHCP or proxyDHCP offers recieved, aborting". I *did* dis-able dhcp on the router (it read DHCP=off). And I can access the server via ssh from a fat client. Don't know what to do now. SIGH.
[10:42] <ogra> pips1, probably your router needs a restart to make the settings take effect (mine does)
[10:42] <pips1> yes, I did restart
[10:42] <ogra> is the dhcp server running on the edubuntu server ? 
[10:43] <ogra> ps ax|grep dhcp
[10:43] <pips1> how can I find out?
[10:43] <pips1> aha!
[10:43] <pips1> no dhcp 
[10:43] <ogra> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/LTSPServerSetup
[10:43] <axl000> mhz, lo lei a la rapida pero no veo nada como para hacerlo por red
[10:43] <ogra> :)
[10:45] <mhz> axl000, hmm, pera
[10:48] <axl000> quizas hay q hacerlo para entenderlo pero no veo algun paso paa montar el cd de linux
[10:48] <axl000> no se
[10:50] <mhz> axl000, pero tienes un CD y tu CD drive no es bootable?
[10:50] <mhz> axl000, or you have another linux pc we can use as a boot server?
[10:50] <axl000> nopo
[10:50] <pips1> ogra, in dhcpd.conf "option domain-name-servers 192.168.0.1;" --> how do I specify serval ip addresses for that? what's the separator? a semicolon? a space? or a separate line for each?
[10:50] <axl000> la idea es usar otro pc para servir al mio
[10:51] <axl000> y podr instslar linux
[10:51] <mhz> axl000, ahhh'
[10:51] <axl000> eso es lo q se explcica en la guia?
[10:52] <ogra> pips1, doesnt matter, you dont need any DNS on the clients :)
[10:52] <pips1> oh
[10:52] <mhz> axl000, https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Installation/Netboot
[10:52] <mhz> axl000, o esta https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Installation/LocalNet
[10:52] <axl000> q era lo hacia la otra guia, instalar linux desde windows pero  en el mismo pc?
[10:53] <mhz> axl000, o esata para M$ https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Installation/WindowsServerNetboot
[10:53] <ogra> pips1, that gets intresting for fat clients or locally running firefox, but we dont support either yet
[10:53] <mhz> axl000, sip
[10:53] <axl000> jaja na q ver
[10:55] <mhz> axl000,  /join #mhz
[10:57] <pips1> ogra: I booted my first edubunt client! it's working! YAY
[10:57] <ogra> yay
[10:58] <pips1> :-D
[10:58] <pips1> ogra: thanks for your patience!!
[10:58] <ogra> :)
[10:58] <ogra> sorry for being harsh before ... 
[10:58] <pips1> that dhcp router confusion stuff must get on your nerves, but you don't show it ;-)
[10:59] <ogra> one day i'll reimplement dhcp and solve it ;)
[10:59] <pips1> you are never harsh, mr.!
[10:59] <pips1> hehe
[10:59] <ogra> :)
[10:59] <pips1> so cool, I now running openoffice, firefox...
[11:00] <ogra> yay, and one of my screensaver nightmare bugs seems fixed upstream :))))))
[11:00] <pips1> nice
[11:14] <pips1> ogra: I feel like i'm a kid again :-) so much fun
[11:15] <pips1> ogra: when I play a sound file from a client, the sound actually plays on the speakers of the server... instead of on the client. is that what's supposed to happen?
[11:30] <pips1> hmm. printing locally on the client doesn't work... is it supposed to?
[11:31] <pips1> i guess that is getting into fat client land, though
[12:04] <pips1> good night, thanks again