[12:04] <danimo> Riddell: I got it to build now, but don't ask how
[12:05] <Riddell> danimo: top stuff
[12:05] <Riddell> danimo: any changes needed?
[12:06] <danimo> Riddell: yes, I patched makefile.am to the results shown in config.log
[12:06] <danimo> Riddell: since the variable that should contain the required files (according to config.log) just didn't
[12:07] <danimo> Riddell: but i am quite tired, might explain it
[12:07] <danimo> Riddell: and I'm an autotools n00b
[12:08] <Riddell> so debuild -S  to clean it and build a source package
[12:08] <Riddell> then debdiff the two .dsc files and send me the patch
[12:08] <danimo> Riddell: let me first build the package :)
[12:08] <danimo> it see if it _really_ works
[12:32] <kmon> did anyone suffer reggresions with new knetwork manager?
[12:51] <danimo> Trying patch debian/patches/common/04_am_maintainer_mode.diff at level 0...1...2...failure.
[12:51] <danimo> make: *** [debian/stamp-patched]  Fehler 1
[12:51] <danimo> debuild: fatal error at line 768:
[12:51] <danimo> dpkg-buildpackage failed!
[12:51] <danimo> Riddell: any idea what that means?^
[12:51] <danimo> Riddell: why does it try to reapply those patches in the end?
[12:57] <Riddell> danimo: try   touch debian/stamp-patched && make -f debian/rules reverse-patches
[12:58] <danimo> Riddell: oh, damn, I modified a patch during compile
[01:07] <danimo> Riddell: I need to go to bed now :}
[01:08] <danimo> Riddell: I just found another patch that needs to be applied
[01:08] <danimo> Riddell: I am really comtemplating to commit those patches upstream
[01:10] <danimo> Riddell: along with more patches
[02:36] <Tonio_> hey ;)
[02:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=37041
[02:36] <Tonio_> why do we find this only now ??? ;)
[02:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: interested in replacement for wlassistant ?
[02:36] <Tonio_> tested here, ricking !!!!
[02:36] <Tonio_> rocking
[02:37] <jjesse> i thought network manager or something like that was going to replace it?
[02:37] <Tonio_> jjesse: networkmanager is designed to go in main, but not as the default networkmanager for the moment
[02:37] <Tonio_> jjesse: the suggested efault wifi tool is actually wlassistant
[02:37] <Tonio_> jjesse: but it doesn't manage wpa....
[02:38] <jjesse> Tonio_: its better then kwifimanager
[02:38] <Tonio_> jjesse: wlassistant is better yes, but kwlan is better than wlassistant :)
[02:38] <Tonio_> by far better
[02:40] <Tonio_> jjesse: are you motu ?
[02:42] <Tonio_> jjesse: the problem with networkmanager is that it doesn't manage the IP part...
[02:42] <Tonio_> so putting it as default is a bit complicated, as it manages ALL the network, not only wifi
[02:42] <Tonio_> jjesse: this is why a dedicated wifi manager like wlassistant is probably better for the moment
[06:50] <robotgeek> can someone on dapper verify if flash can be viewed in konqueror after installing flashplayer-nonfree
[06:57] <seth> robotgeek, you mean flashplugin-nonfree?
[06:57] <robotgeek> seth: yeah, that
[06:58] <seth> methinks I can't test for you, because I installed the flash plugin via firefox and then linked it to konq
[06:59] <robotgeek> seth: i cant test at all, but does flash in konq works?
[07:00] <seth> yeah
[07:00] <robotgeek> seth: cool, i mark my section as complete :)
[07:01] <seth> :)
[09:34] <aboe> is there a kubuntu dev present??
[09:39] <hunger> Anyone else having trouble surfing with konq?
[09:39] <hunger> I keep getting popups informing me that I am about to open a HTML Document and which app to use to open that.
[09:40] <hunger> When clicking on "Open in Konqueror" I get an error about an a configuration error and that Konqueror is associated with text/html but can not actually handle that file type.
[09:41] <hunger> This happens i.e. with http//lwn.net/ when clicking on "login".
[09:42] <hunger> Going to said page directly works fine.
[09:54] <tvo> no problems here (upgraded flight 5 install)
[10:10] <verwilst> Riddell: did you commit some optimising patch for the rubberband selection thingy?
[10:10] <verwilst> i can drag a box around my whole desktop and it doesn't slow to a crawl
[10:11] <mornfall> you still add those silly patches to kubuntu? :|
[10:12] <verwilst> mornfall: well, i think the rubberband isn't standard eh?
[10:12] <verwilst> not sure anymore actually :p
[10:12] <mornfall> i don't think it ever got into official qt
[10:13] <mornfall> is the rounded icon selection thing also debian/(k)ubuntu specific patch?
[10:14] <mornfall> because i don't think upstream would allow the ueber-ugliness in
[10:15] <mornfall> it's misaligned and jaggy
[10:15] <mornfall> plain stupid
[10:18] <verwilst> well
[10:18] <verwilst> it's less ugly than the default imho
[10:18] <verwilst> :)
[10:18] <verwilst> especially the rubberband selection
[10:19] <verwilst> let's pray kde 4 solves all of this ;)
[10:28] <sebas> I like the rubberband selection, actually. 
[10:29] <sebas> That's one of the things that makes kubuntu special, IMO.
[10:29] <verwilst> yip
[10:29] <verwilst> i like it too
[10:29] <verwilst> but it was always so slow
[10:29] <verwilst> but now i noticed it isn't
[10:30] <verwilst> could be so for a long time, just didn't notice until now :p
[10:30] <sebas> Maybe my machines are too fast, but I don't have problems with it.
[10:30] <verwilst> well this gfx card sucks donkey balls
[10:30] <verwilst> so i don't think it's because i have a leet gamers pc or something:p
[10:30] <sebas> Ah, those that don't taste like chocolate? ;-)
[10:31] <verwilst> euh :p you sick puppy
[10:31] <sebas> See it this way: for nethack, *every* PC is a l33t gamers PC. ;-)
[10:31] <verwilst> i don't know how many flavours you already tasted :p
[10:31] <verwilst> hehe
[10:31] <sebas> Eh, that's paraphrasing real culture, obey!
[10:32] <sebas> "ooh, suck on my chocolate salty balls ... put'em in your mouth and suck'em!"
[10:32] <verwilst> ah :p
[10:32] <sebas> Before everyone's disgusted, I'll run out btw :>
[10:32] <verwilst> i thought it might have to do with that :p
[10:32] <sebas> So now I'm less a pervert in your eyes? :)
[10:32] <verwilst> no.
[10:32] <verwilst> :d
[10:33] <sebas> You're wrong :>
[10:33] <verwilst> :p
[10:33] <sebas> But that's another part of the story. 
[10:33] <sebas> So again, hf fun while I'm /away.
[10:33] <verwilst> see ya :p
[11:40] <Riddell> verwilst_: I've not changed the patch
[11:46] <verwilst_> heh
[12:01] <kwwii> so what is the secret to get mp3s playing on my kubuntu? I work much better with music :-)
[12:02] <Riddell> libxine-extracodecs from multiverse
[12:03] <kwwii> sweet, thanks
[12:03] <kwwii> I have two albums in ogg and they were getting old
[12:08] <superstoned> u need win32codecs for wma support
[12:08] <Riddell> kbfx 0.4.8-0ubuntu1 was ACCEPTED  cool
[12:09] <Hobbsee> mp3's are definetly libxine-extracodecs though...
[12:09] <Hobbsee> oh yay!
[12:10] <Hobbsee> seems heaps of people keep wanting to compile it, and have trouble
[12:10] <superstoned> riddell: COOL indeed
[12:13] <Riddell> seaLne: top idea, who else did you send it to?
[12:14] <seaLne> Riddell: no one else yet, thought having one to start with might help, no offense to you but i thought you might be an easy person to ask :)
[12:15] <Riddell> ok :)  I'll try and do that today
[12:15] <seaLne> thanks
[12:18] <kwwii> superstoned: guess that there are no win32 codecs on ppc :-)
[12:18] <superstoned> nope, nor on AMD64...
[12:19] <Riddell> kwwii: there's a few proprietry ones I think, quicktime at least, see the mplayer website
[12:20] <kwwii> Riddell: yeah, there are qt codecs but most of them don't work very well:-)
[12:22] <Riddell> seaLne: seen who I do the KDE ones?  a wiki page is easier to keep track of http://www.kde.me.uk/index.php?page=people-behind-kde
[12:22] <seaLne> ta
[12:30] <Riddell> s/who/how/
[12:45] <sebas> Ellen would be an excellent candidate as well, btw.
[12:45] <sebas> In general, I'd like more usability people on there.
[12:48] <Riddell> sebas: ok
[12:50] <sebas> Riddell: The idea is to embed the usability people even more. In the past apps were developed and released and in some rare cases reviewed for usability and fixed.
[12:50] <sebas> In the bright future I see, usability experts and developers work together during the development cycle.
[12:50] <sebas> Pipe dreams :>
[12:52] <kwwii> I want to see the artists taking a part in some of this too :-)
[12:53] <sebas> I actually should've said HCI, not only usability people.
[12:53] <kwwii> ;-)
[12:53] <sebas> Someone did just close the door of my office without asking.
[12:54] <sebas> Could have something do to with Chemical brothers at volume 100%, but not sure ;)
[12:56] <kwwii> I almost got in a fist fight at suse once about my music volume
[12:56] <sebas> Ridiculous. 
[12:56] <sebas> THere is only one real volume.
[12:56] <sebas> Though I doubt my colleage will appreciate this once he returns from whatever he's doing at the mo.
[12:58] <sebas> Whatever, I'll have cookies handy.
[12:59] <kwwii> dude, exporting all these little crappy buttons is FUN!
[01:09] <sebas> Heh
[01:10] <kwwii> ok...testing theme, wish me luck
[01:18] <kwwii> well, that did not go very well
[01:19] <kwwii> yes they are centered and yes, they are the size I made but no they do not look like pictures at all
[01:21] <kwwii> time to cook lunch for my son...bbl
[01:24] <kwwii> Riddell: any idea on how the embedtool works?
[01:30] <Riddell> kwwii: it just turns them into C code
[02:02] <Riddell> "Recommend a non ubuntu website"  that's a tricky one
[02:11] <cmvo> Riddell: kde.org :-)
[02:13] <Riddell> cmvo: well, I was wanting a non-computing one :)
[02:13] <seaLne> yeah that was the intention
[02:34] <Hobbsee> when one can not understand the chemistry, one submits random numbers into the computer program, and then eventually gets some of them right :D
[02:35] <Riddell> computers are good like that
[02:36] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:36] <Hobbsee> and sure enough, i get full marks for it :D
[02:36] <Hobbsee> do i understand what one sectoin was about?  absolutely not!
[02:52] <raphink> sim
[02:52] <raphink> oops
[02:52] <raphink> has sime been around lately?
[02:53] <Tm_T> raphink: I'll check
[02:54] <Tm_T> 10:49 -!- _Sime [n=konversa@ip54579d1b.direct-adsl.nl]  has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 
[02:54] <Tm_T> ... 5 hours ago
[02:54] <raphink> hehe ok
[02:54] <raphink> that's what I thought
[02:54] <raphink> I'll wait then
[03:45] <kwwii> Riddell: so how does one build embedtool?
[03:56] <kwwii> I guess starting off with the newest source is good
[03:59] <Riddell> kwwii: it should be built as part of the newest source
[03:59] <kwwii> Riddell: I am building 1.0.0 now (had 0.9.9 before)
[03:59] <Riddell> cool
[04:00] <kwwii> erm, after I reapply my changes 
[04:18] <kwwii> http://bootsplash.org/bttn-min_hover.jpg
[04:18] <kwwii> http://bootsplash.org/bttn-close_hover.jpg
[04:18] <kwwii> they need work, but at least it is working
[04:28] <kwwii> brb
[04:31] <Riddell> kwwii: beautiful
[04:32] <Hobbsee> night all
[04:32] <Hobbsee> kwwii: looks very nice :)
[04:32] <raphink> kwwii: very good idea to circle windows like this
[04:33] <Lure> kwwii: much better than crystal default (which you hardly notice)
[04:33] <raphink> yes
[04:34] <raphink> kwwii: xanax` has done some nice artwork for kubuntu. I thought maybe you could talk with him some time :)
[04:39] <cmvo> kwwii: Hi! Looks good!
[04:40] <Lure> kwwii: do you plan to change the highlight color? It is major issue for kerry and a bit smaller for OOo.
[04:40] <Lure> kwwii: kerry: http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/1958/kerry7dh.png
[04:40] <Lure> kwwii: OOo: http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/3927/ooomenu6ow.png
[04:40] <kwwii> Lure: those screenshots show the new ksrc I received
[04:41] <kwwii> Lure: but we can definitely change anything to do with that...I will keep working on the buttons too improve them
[04:41] <Lure> kwwii: ok, my concern is not button related really, but text highlight (selection) in menu and list
[04:42] <kwwii> are they too dark for you now?
[04:42] <Lure> blue on dark blue and black on dark blue
[04:42] <OdyX> kwwii: In fact, I like the buttons as I have them now (present Dapper default)
[04:42] <Lure> black is not that bad (I could live with it), but kerry example is really a problem
[04:43] <Lure> OdyX: it is copy of Vista and we should not have tham that way...
[04:43] <OdyX> Lure: OK. Good argument indeed.
[04:44] <Lure> OdyX: I am not saying that they do not look good too... we just should have them different and looking good
[04:44] <Lure> ;-)
[04:44] <OdyX> Lure: very clear.
[04:45] <kwwii> at first I tried to only change them a little bit but *everyone* said I looked too much like windows
[04:45] <kwwii> I am going to make them flatter, and lighten the colors
[04:45] <kwwii> while making the grey scale pics darker so that more of the color shows through
[04:54] <Lure> kwwii: have added highlight issue to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDapperArtworkTodo
[04:56] <kwwii> cool, thanks!
[05:18] <seaLne> Riddell: ta
[05:19] <Riddell> seaLne: good luck with them, let me know if I can help
[05:53] <danimo> Riddell: did you update the kdebase packages yet to pick up dirks kwin commit that fixes the constant crashing on alt+tab?
[05:55] <Riddell> danimo: nope, I've not seen that problem
[05:55] <danimo> Riddell: it happens to me constantly :(
[06:04] <robotgeek> Riddell: happened to me once or twice, but i havent been able to reproduce
[06:09] <jpatrick> afternoon
[06:09] <robotgeek> howdy jpatrick 
[06:10] <jpatrick> hi robotgeek
[06:38] <jpatrick> hola kmon
[06:43] <kmon> jpatrick: Hola
[06:44] <kmon> jpatrick: Gracias por el kbfx
[06:44] <kmon> lo pensaba probar ahora mismo :)
[06:45] <Riddell> jpatrick: fancy packaging kexi-mdb now? :)
[06:48] <jpatrick> Riddell: yes, sir
[06:48] <jpatrick> kmon: de nada, tu me lo dices y yo lo hagare
[06:48] <kmon> hare ;)
[06:49] <jpatrick> oh ;)
[06:49] <kmon> tu me empaquetas algo y yo te ayudo con el espaol jeje
[06:49] <jpatrick> :)
[06:50] <jpatrick> Riddell: where do I get it?
[06:50] <Riddell> english please (or French, I don't mind a bit of French)
[06:50] <Riddell> jpatrick: in kdenonbeta I think
[06:50] <Riddell> or might be in playground
[06:50] <Riddell> jpatrick: search around and make sure nobody else has made packages first
[06:51] <jpatrick> i think there's a deb
[06:51] <Riddell> jpatrick: and just as I say it the 1.0 version comes through on kde-packager
[06:52] <Riddell> http://martin.ellis.name/koffice/keximdb-1.0.tar.gz
[06:53] <jpatrick> so i just package that?
[06:57] <kmon> jpatrick: kbfx crashes systemsettings :(
[06:57] <kmon> do you want me to file a bug?
[06:57] <jpatrick> kmon: i hate that, yes
[06:58] <kmon> I've also tried with kcontrol and the same thing happens
[06:58] <kmon> it's the kbfx control panel
[06:59] <jpatrick> Riddell: should I call it kexi-mdb or leave it as it is?
[07:01] <kmon> jpatrick: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kbfx/+bug/38226
[07:01] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 38226 in kbfx "kbfx control panel crashes" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  
[07:02] <kmon> It's a shame... I really wanted to try it out :(
[07:02] <kmon> oh well...
[07:03] <Riddell> jpatrick: I'd call it kexi-mdb
[07:04] <kmon> malone doesn't have kde translations, doesn't it?
[07:06] <jpatrick> kmon: err, it never did
[07:06] <jpatrick> it's a bugtracker
[07:06] <jpatrick> and I'm out for a while, bbl
[07:06] <kmon> i mean....
[07:07] <kmon> rosetta
[07:07] <kmon> :)
[07:07] <jpatrick> kmon: wait for string freeze
[07:11] <Tonio_> heya ;)
[07:12] <Riddell> kmon: they may well be imported by now
[07:13] <kmon> thanxs
[07:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm downloading flight 6 to test the antialiasing issue (I just bought some RW CDs)
[07:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: did you saw my message concerning kwlan ?
[07:14] <Riddell> Tonio_: great
[07:14] <Riddell> Tonio_: no I didn't
[07:14] <Tonio_> sounds a better kwifimanager replacement than wlassistant, cause it handles wpa
[07:14] <Riddell> goddamnit why can't these KDE developers just make 1 decent tool
[07:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: interested in myself packaging it to make a few people test it ?
[07:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: I have exactly the same question........
[07:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: this is the this that drives me nuts with kde
[07:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: gnome is more homogenous
[07:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: it has no "must have features" missing
[07:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm gonna test kwlan once the antialiasing problem is resolved
[07:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: I think we still have time to switch to something better than wlassistant is available don't you think ?
[07:18] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes, wlanassistant hasn't been main reviewed yet so if there's a better one we should look at it
[07:18] <Riddell> Tonio_: ever tried burning CDs in gnome? :)
[07:18] <robotgeek> heh, i installed k3b initially just ot burn cd's
[07:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, I know that's something missing, but isn't there a good tool working actually ?
[07:19] <robotgeek> cds, err (apostorphe abuse)
[07:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: gnomebacker ?
[07:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: but yes, that's not comparable to K3B, and bluetooth management on gnome is a pain too
[07:19] <robotgeek> Tonio_: did not work for me 
[07:20] <danimo> hi Tonio_!
[07:20] <robotgeek> i hope kitchensync or whatever that is improves and allows me to sync my phone :)
[07:20] <Tonio_> danimo: hey ;)
[07:20] <danimo> Tonio_: awesome work on network manager
[07:20] <Tonio_> danimo: I did little compared to others....
[07:20] <Tonio_> danimo: my work is more on knetworkmanager :)
[07:20] <danimo> Tonio_: right
[07:21] <Tonio_> danimo: go thank suse developpers for knetworkmanager instead ;)
[07:25] <danimo> Tonio_: well, yes
[07:25] <danimo> Tonio_: still I guess you needed to patch the suse stuff to make it build on ubuntu
[07:25] <danimo> Tonio_: I wanted to ingegrate two of their patches and failed
[07:26] <danimo> Tonio_: but i will probably add them to 3.5 branch
[07:26] <Tonio_> danimo: what are you talking about ?
[07:26] <Tonio_> knetworkmanager builds very nicelly actually ;)
[07:27] <danimo> Tonio_: network manager has support for "on/offline"
[07:27] <danimo> Tonio_: (states)
[07:27] <danimo> Tonio_: kde pim supports that natively, but only via dbus, not dcop
[07:27] <Tonio_> danimo: and that works according to what I saw, doesn't it ?
[07:29] <danimo> Tonio_: the suse kde pim packages have special patches so the according kded service will also listen to dbus
[07:29] <danimo> Tonio_: well, not in vanilla KDE
[07:29] <danimo> Tonio_: afaict
[07:29] <danimo> you need to pick up some patches from suses rpms
[07:29] <Tonio_> danimo: yes, but I don't see the point between knetworkmanager and kdepim
[07:29] <danimo> Tonio_: ah, ok, well, after adding dbus dependencies to kdepim, it refused to add the proper libs and cflags
[07:29] <danimo> Tonio_: I figured somebody added some extra lines into configure.in.in that were probably not coming from suse
[07:29] <danimo> I could be wrong, though
[07:30] <Tonio_> hum, I didn't
[07:30] <Tonio_> I only patched suse yast entries in the code
[07:30] <Tonio_> nothing more
[07:30] <danimo> ok
[07:30] <danimo> odd
[07:31] <danimo> Tonio_: it was just surprising to see knetworkmanager compiling and kdepim failing with the almost exact same lines of configure.in.in code
[07:31] <Tonio_> danimo: indeed
[07:31] <danimo> Tonio_: configure even provides the proper CFLAGS according to config.log
[07:31] <Tonio_> danimo: knetworkmanager uses autoconf and automake1.9
[07:31] <Tonio_> the configure stuff is rebuilt during the build
[07:31] <Tonio_> that may help ;)
[07:31] <danimo> but when I add them in the makefile, it won't work
[07:31] <danimo> Tonio_: I know, I went through the whole scenario with Riddell
[07:32] <Tonio_> danimo: so that's "strange" I must say
[07:32] <Tonio_> danimo: what about the admin folder version ?
[07:33] <danimo> Tonio_: good question, but I doubt that's it. I think it was the fact that my eyelids were half-closed when I tried it
[07:33] <danimo> Tonio_: I'd rather prefer to integrate the patches into KDE 3.5 branch properly
[07:33] <danimo> Tonio_: I just sent an unfreeze request to core-devel, so packagers can slurp the stuff off branch
[07:34] <Tonio_> danimo: yup, that's better wau to do
[07:34] <Tonio_> s/wau/way
[07:37] <fabo> Tonio_: i packaged kwlan this afternoon
[07:37] <danimo> Tonio_: I just need the openvpn plugin badly
[07:37] <danimo> Tonio_: I hope it will show up soon
[07:38] <Tonio_> fabo: nice ;) I did yesterday and that was correctly working ;)
[07:38] <fabo> Tonio_: it seems a bit buggy and in alpha stage
[07:38] <Tonio_> fabo: I didn't noticed any crash, did you ?
[07:38] <Tonio_> ho, yes graphical bug in the options, I saw that
[07:39] <fabo> Tonio_: when using file/exit
[07:39] <danimo> Tonio_: do you know anything about progress in that area?
[07:39] <fabo> Tonio_: yes settings dialog miss some layout working
[07:39] <Tonio_> fabo: I didn't test this
[07:40] <fabo> i sent a mail to upstream with things taht  i noticed, want a copy ?
[07:49] <jpatrick> Riddell: kexi-mdb-driver tempt you?
[07:49] <Riddell> jpatrick: yes, that follows the pattern
[08:09] <Riddell> jpatrick: elite :)
[08:13] <jpatrick> Riddell: aka we have complete control
[08:24] <jpatrick> Riddell: this thing has a nasty compile error
[08:28] <Riddell> jpatrick: oh?
[08:28] <Riddell> jpatrick: what version of koffice are you compiling against?
[08:29] <jpatrick> Riddell: found the problem (kexiutils/identifier.h: No such file or directory)
[08:30] <jpatrick> hi raphink
[08:30] <raphink> hi jpatrick
[08:30] <raphink> jpatrick: kbfx ccna't be configured here
[08:30] <raphink> it crashes kcmshell
[08:30] <jpatrick> raphink: bug filed
[08:30] <raphink> great :)
[08:31] <raphink> as a result, kbfx is just identical to kmenu currently
[08:32] <jpatrick> malone 38226
[08:32] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 38226 in kbfx "kbfx control panel crashes" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/38226
[08:34] <robotgeek> jpatrick: heh
[08:37] <Riddell> jpatrick: what version of koffice?
[08:37] <jpatrick> Riddell: lastest libkexi-dev in Dapper
[08:39] <superstoned> kwwii, lure: i now use polyester instead of lipstik. looks a bit more futeristic (as other DE's also move to glare and glow :D) and crystal but with windowdecoration same color as window background. why not do that, it looks so much cleaner...
[08:40] <kwwii> superstoned: I haven't tried that one yet...is it in a normal install?
[08:40] <superstoned> no, i got it from kde-look.org.
[08:40] <kwwii> cool, I will check it out later when my animation is done rendering
[08:40] <superstoned> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=37209
[08:41] <Riddell> jpatrick: it'll need kexi 1.5
[08:41] <superstoned> it can look like plastik, lipstik and has its crystal style.
[08:41] <kwwii> superstoned: thanks :-)
[08:42] <jpatrick> Riddell: thus UVF for Kexi?
[08:43] <kwwii> superstoned: the buttons are still pretty much like vista though and a lot of people said something about crystal already
[08:43] <kwwii> I personally like the gradient in the window deco
[08:44] <jpatrick> kwwii++
[08:45] <Riddell> jpatrick: we'll see when koffice 1.5 comes out.  but otherwise I'll include it with my koffice packages
[08:45] <jpatrick> ok
[08:50] <superstoned> kwwii well, it is a matter of taste, indeed. crystal look excisted before windows...
[08:51] <superstoned> and vista isn't out yet, so only those that know its look might complain. the others will say vista looks like kubuntu (which is technically more true, as kubuntu will have it first - officially...)
[08:51] <superstoned> we might try it for flight 7 and see how ppl like it.
[08:51] <kwwii> dude, those buttons are pretty much a rip-off of vista
[08:51] <jpatrick> (unless we get sued)
[08:51] <kwwii> and when we agreed to try out crystal it was with the agreement that we will change the buttons
[08:52] <kwwii> I mean, the buttons are nice, I agree...but not that original, I think
[08:52] <superstoned> its EXACTLY plastik, just not with a greadient, but a crystal look. vista happens to have copied plastik, with this crystal look, yes
[08:52] <kwwii> the buttons in plastik look different
[08:54] <kwwii> I mean the buttons in the window deco of course
[08:54] <kwwii> ...in your screenshot
[08:56] <jpatrick> apt really hates me
[09:00] <superstoned> kwwii i agree about the windec, i prefer your new look in the screenshot you showed a some time ago. but for the style - polyester is just plastik with another effect (not gradient nor inverse but what i call 'crystal'). vista has at least 4 different buttons, some with gradients like plastik, others more crystal-like... i wouldn't use that as an excuse for not using polyester.
[09:01] <superstoned> and vista's look might change, too...
[09:01] <kwwii> to be honest, I have no problem with testing out the style, but I would like to try it myself first before saying that too loudly :-)
[09:01] <superstoned> ow, of course, i just wanted you to try it. i use it now for some time, and i love it.
[09:02] <superstoned> looks a bit like qt-curve with clear-glass look, btw
[09:04] <superstoned> (try qt-curve, too!!!)
[09:05] <jpatrick> how does one add a gpg key to pbuilder
[09:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping ?
[09:21] <jpatrick> hi Tonio_
[09:21] <Tonio_> jpatrick: hey ;)
[09:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: I know the problem with antialiasing ;)
[09:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: but I don't understand how can this be possible
[09:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: tell me when you're arround, there is a mistery I would like to you to explain to me :)
[09:56] <jpatrick> night
[10:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: when you're there, ping me ;) fox mulder needed to explain me what happens with kdeglobals file :)
[10:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: to make it simple, boot with a live cd and check the file /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/config/kdeglobals
[10:15] <Tonio_> then look at the k-d-s version, and you'll see they are COMPLETLY different
[10:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: bad version : http://pastebin.com/642781
[10:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: k-d-s version : http://pastebin.com/642783
[10:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: replacing the file corrects the issue and antialiasing works....
[10:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: now the question is : what happened for that file to be different ? bug in the build process ?
[12:00] <robotgeek> Sime: the source works though
[12:03] <kmon> Is qtparted dead?