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| robotgeek | hey fellow docs | 01:36 |
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| LaserJock | hi robotgeek | 01:36 |
| robotgeek | we need a nicer name :) | 01:37 |
| crimsun | "authors" sounds nice | 02:02 |
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| robotgeek | LaserJock: nice vim mapping for aspell, i added some more to it. | 03:25 |
| LaserJock | cool | 03:27 |
| robotgeek | i now load different files based on filetype, in hopes of modularizing and speeding up my vim | 03:28 |
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| robotgeek | howdy Burgundavia | 04:00 |
| LaserJock | robotgeek: do you have a URL for your updated .vimrc? | 04:01 |
| Burgundavia | salut rob | 04:01 |
| Burgundavia | robotgeek: | 04:01 |
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| robotgeek | LaserJock: okay, let me post | 04:02 |
| Madpilot | hi all | 04:02 |
| Burgundavia | salut Madpilot | 04:04 |
| Burgundavia | Madpilot: did you get that issue with clive's machien sorted? | 04:04 |
| Madpilot | Burgundavia, sorting it right now, actually | 04:04 |
| robotgeek | LaserJock: http://robotgeek.org/vimrc.txt | 04:05 |
| Burgundavia | robotgeek: ahh, do you kinow anything about this and can you help fix it? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KdeDiskArchiver | 04:13 |
| robotgeek | Burgundavia: nope, what langauge is this in :P | 04:15 |
| robotgeek | Burgundavia: seems to be paste from http://kdar.sourceforge.net/kdar-html-docs/index.html | 04:16 |
| Burgundavia | robotgeek: oh bugger. I will wipe it | 04:17 |
| LaserJock | yeah, I got both a personal mediawiki and personal moin setup on my iMac today | 04:57 |
| Burgundavia | hmm | 04:57 |
| Burgundavia | what to do | 04:57 |
| Burgundavia | I am proofing a chapter for the book, but it mentions using Xchat to connect to #ubuntu | 04:57 |
| Burgundavia | however, xchat is no longer shipped | 04:57 |
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| robotgeek | LaserJock: i just use the desktop moin, it was painless to get working | 04:58 |
| LaserJock | yeah, I have that at home on my Windows machine | 04:58 |
| LaserJock | and there is MoinX for OSX that is a breeze too | 04:59 |
| LaserJock | but mediawiki was a beast | 04:59 |
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| LaserJock | I finally got it going well using MAMP www.mamp.info | 04:59 |
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| LaserJock | hmm, I'm personally not fond of "Installing from a single package file" as a section title | 05:11 |
| Burgundavia | nor am I | 05:12 |
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| Madpilot | Burgundavia, XChat has been demoted to Universe for Dapper, but it's still around (thankfully, given how XChat-Gnome bites...) | 05:29 |
| robotgeek | LaserJock: i call the section "Manual Installation" | 05:30 |
| LaserJock | Madpilot: I would hope not. Lots of people use it. More than xchat-gnome for sure | 05:34 |
| Madpilot | I noticed that Matt put a mention of GAIM into the UDG's 'How to get help' section | 05:35 |
| LaserJock | uggh, why don't we just tell them to use irssi, that's in main ;-) | 05:36 |
| robotgeek | while we are at it, tell then to use screen also | 05:36 |
| LaserJock | for sure | 05:36 |
| crimsun | (why is it that all the gui irc clients I've tried absolutely choke when a user joins more than, say, 12 channels?) | 05:37 |
| LaserJock | hmm, max I've ever done is 10 (gui or irssi) | 05:38 |
| Madpilot | I've been on about 15 at once in XChat, it handled it OK. So did Opera's built-in IRC client | 05:38 |
| crimsun | I have a row of illegible tabs of ellipses in konversation | 05:39 |
| robotgeek | heh | 05:39 |
| LaserJock | robotgeek: your aspell mapping is specific to sgml, what setting that according to file type? | 05:39 |
| LaserJock | s/what/what about/ | 05:40 |
| robotgeek | LaserJock: since most of the documents i type which need spellchecking are xml, i use that | 05:40 |
| LaserJock | gosh, I need to proofread my IRC today | 05:40 |
| robotgeek | LaserJock: it is in ~/.vim/xml.vim which gets loaded only if filetype is xml | 05:40 |
| LaserJock | robotgeek: what is: Contents of .vim/python.vim | 05:42 |
| LaserJock | is that supposed to be a comment? | 05:42 |
| robotgeek | LaserJock: well, the lines below that go to ~/.vim/python.vim (i catted it for you) | 05:42 |
| LaserJock | ahhh, I see | 05:43 |
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| robotgeek | saves me the trouble of putting python specific stuff in my vimrc :) | 05:43 |
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| Burgundavia | Madpilot: bloody hell | 05:45 |
| Madpilot | Burgundavia, hmm? | 05:46 |
| Burgundavia | Madpilot: the whole irc thing | 05:46 |
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| Madpilot | XChat vs XChat-Gnome vs Gaim (which is supposed to have fairly bad IRC implementation) | 05:47 |
| Madpilot | and both XChat & XChat-Gnome suck, to varying degrees and for different reasons :P | 05:48 |
| LaserJock | you guys watching -devel? | 05:48 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 05:49 |
| Madpilot | nope | 05:49 |
| Madpilot | what's up on -devel? | 05:49 |
| crimsun | I affirm that Gaim's irc implementation blows even worse than Konversation's | 05:49 |
| LaserJock | a guy wrote a program to make Gaim open up irc:// urls | 05:50 |
| Madpilot | crimsun, heh - that leaves Ubuntu without a sane IRC app... (XChat being, IMO, the best of the lot, but far from ideal...) | 05:50 |
| Burgundavia | crimsun: it also takes about 15 steps to get into #ubuntu | 05:55 |
| Madpilot | XChat launches into #ubuntu by default - -Gnome just sits there :P | 06:10 |
| Burgundavia | yep | 06:12 |
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| Madpilot | hi robitaille | 06:28 |
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| robitaille | hi Madpilot | 06:33 |
| Madpilot | On Dapper, flashplugin-nonfree has replaced flashplayer-mozilla, right? | 06:37 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | ping? i just got an error on cron regarding one of the docs, but when i open it i don't see an error | 06:38 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | who should i ask about it? | 06:38 |
| robotgeek | Kamping_Kaiser: care to explain? | 06:39 |
| robotgeek | Madpilot: yup. | 06:39 |
| Madpilot | robotgeek, OK, I'll update UDG. Thanks | 06:39 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | scrollkeeper couldnt find an ent file which is linked to in ///usr/share/Gnome/help/about-ubuntu/C/about-ubuntu.xml . i;m wondering who to check with about it. | 06:40 |
| robotgeek | i think i saw a bug report today | 06:40 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | long as i'm not alone | 06:41 |
| robotgeek | Kamping_Kaiser: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-docs/+bug/38062 looks familiar? | 06:41 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | yes, but mines a lot less scary :) | 06:43 |
| Madpilot | Burgundavia, in Ubuntu Dapper, is the Configuration Editor available by default in menus? (In Breezy it's Apps->System Tools->Config. Editor | 06:43 |
| Burgundavia | Madpilot: nope | 06:46 |
| Burgundavia | it is hidden | 06:46 |
| Burgundavia | alt-f2 gconf-editor | 06:46 |
| Madpilot | installed but not in the menu? | 06:46 |
| Madpilot | yeah, I'll recommend Alt-F2 then in UDG | 06:46 |
| Burgundavia | yep | 06:47 |
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| mdke | morning | 08:29 |
| Madpilot | hi mdke | 08:29 |
| mdke | Madpilot, still waiting on flashplayer-mozilla, btw | 08:30 |
| mdke | I'll poke infinity | 08:30 |
| bhuvan | cd | 08:34 |
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| mdke | :) | 08:36 |
| mdke | bhuvan, did you see Rocco's second patch for the apache section? | 08:36 |
| bhuvan | mdke, yes; but i guess there was no attachment ? | 08:37 |
| mdke | oh | 08:37 |
| bhuvan | i expect him to send with attachment or atleast i should intimate him | 08:38 |
| mdke | bhuvan, we should reply, telling him so :) | 08:38 |
| bhuvan | ok, i'll | 08:39 |
| mdke | he must have forgotten it | 08:39 |
| mdke | bhuvan, thanks | 08:44 |
| mdke | ok, so are we go on the yelp frontpage? I like andreas' improvements to the wording | 08:45 |
| bhuvan | mdke, np | 08:46 |
| mdke | Madpilot, that flash thing, flashplayer-mozilla should be coming back... but if we stay with the other package, I think we will have to include a couple of extra steps to get it working, because that's just a downloader package | 08:47 |
| Madpilot | mdke, ah, OK - I just use Macromedia's installer, myself... | 09:08 |
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| mdke | Madpilot, that's not a bad idea either :) | 09:17 |
| Madpilot | it works with all browsers (not just FF) and it doesn't change based on the vagarities of open-source politics :P | 09:17 |
| mdke | yes, i did it that way the other day, it works fine | 09:19 |
| rob | woah.. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThirdPartyPackages | 10:04 |
| rob | click 'n' run eat your heart out | 10:04 |
| mdke | rob, that spec has been implemented | 10:25 |
| mdke | hasn't seemed to stop people commenting though | 10:27 |
| mdke | rob, i've posted about your lulu idea | 10:43 |
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| mdke | can someone tell me if gsfonts-x11 is installed by default in dapper? | 11:38 |
| bhuvan | mdke, i guess not | 11:41 |
| bhuvan | i use dapper (upgraded from breezy), it does not contain gsfonts-x11 | 11:41 |
| mdke | bhuvan, thanks | 11:46 |
| bhuvan | mdke, np | 11:46 |
| bhuvan | mdke, btw, yesterday i took a session on "contributing to Ubuntu" in my office | 11:46 |
| bhuvan | around 30 of my collegues attended the session. overall it went well | 11:46 |
| mdke | bhuvan, cool!!! | 11:47 |
| mdke | nice one | 11:47 |
| bhuvan | i've scheduled it on apr 09, 3pm-3:30pm IST at barcamp | 11:47 |
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| mdke | bhuvan, is the server guide looking ok to be frozen in the next couple of days? | 11:49 |
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| bhuvan | mdke, imo, it's ok. except 1 or 2 sections are incomplete | 11:50 |
| mdke | the status report is still showing a lot of "review" tags | 11:50 |
| mdke | probably, trappist has reviewed lots of those already, not sure | 11:51 |
| bhuvan | mdke, yes; he did | 11:51 |
| bhuvan | i guess only nntp is incomplete | 11:51 |
| mdke | do you have time to do a quick update of the tags, so we can see what is going on? | 11:52 |
| bhuvan | sue | 11:53 |
| bhuvan | s/sue/sure | 11:53 |
| bhuvan | i'll update before eod today | 11:53 |
| mdke | yay | 11:53 |
| mdke | thanks a lot dude | 11:56 |
| bhuvan | np | 11:57 |
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| mdke | gotta love henrik | 12:28 |
| mdke | that's a much better logout dialogue | 12:28 |
| mdke | http://people.ubuntu.com/~henrik/images/collapsing-logout.png | 12:28 |
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| mdke | nearly there, only DVDs to be resolved now, I think | 02:46 |
| jjesse | cheer | 02:49 |
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| mdke | trappist, yes, not currently used, it isn't in serverguide.xml | 04:29 |
| mdke | shame tho | 04:31 |
| trappist | yeah | 04:32 |
| trappist | if I'd noticed earlier maybe I coulda done something, but we're coming up on that string freeze and I lost my final round of apache2 changes and hafta do it again :/ | 04:33 |
| mdke | it's a bit late to revive it, probably | 04:33 |
| mdke | yeah, bummer about that | 04:33 |
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| trappist | what file contains the "conventions" section at the top of each manual? | 05:10 |
| mdke | common/C/preface.xml, except in the desktop guide | 05:11 |
| trappist | thanks | 05:11 |
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| trappist | you know what would be handy here? a bot that lives on docteam.ubuntu.com and spouts to the channel on events like svn commits. | 05:17 |
| mdke | yeah | 05:17 |
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| robotgeek | howz it going? | 05:25 |
| highvoltage | fantabulous | 05:26 |
| highvoltage | how are you, robotgeek | 05:26 |
| robotgeek | highvoltage: just woke up :) | 05:26 |
| highvoltage | morning person? | 05:26 |
| robotgeek | highvoltage: no, it's 11:30 am | 05:27 |
| highvoltage | i would also be in a good mood if i only got up at 11:30 in the mornings :) | 05:29 |
| trappist | no kidding | 05:29 |
| robotgeek | i did go to bed only at 4:00 am | 05:29 |
| trappist | you know what else would be handy? a trac site for the svn repo | 05:29 |
| mdke | trac? | 05:29 |
| trappist | see one of mine: http://ipkungfu.ufsoft.org/ | 05:30 |
| mdke | well you can browse the repo online, and file bugs and so on, just not all in the same place, I guess | 05:33 |
| trappist | I think it'd be nice for us to have our own place to track progress, assign tickets, view diffs, etc. I've used trac at my last two jobs and I find it pretty indispensible. | 05:34 |
| mdke | another ticket system might clash with malone, tho | 05:35 |
| mdke | but viewing diffs might be helpful i suppose, although the mailing list is good for that | 05:35 |
| trappist | malone is great for bugs submitted by users, to make us aware of them. a trac site would be for internal use, to keep us from stepping on each other's toes, etc., and it's a little more specialized than malone for this. it'd serve a separate purpose. | 05:37 |
| mdke | could be, maybe I just can't visualise it | 05:37 |
| mdke | nice work on apache2, trappist :) | 05:37 |
| trappist | thanks | 05:38 |
| trappist | mdke: I felt pretty much the same way when my last boss announced we'd be using trac. after trying half a dozen other ticket systems, progress trackers, repo frontends, etc., it was like, whatever. but trac is pretty great. | 05:39 |
| trappist | if only they'd rewrite it in ruby so I could hack on it more :) | 05:40 |
| mdke | ok, so the server guide looks mainly done, except "Firewall Configuration", is that pretty raw? | 05:41 |
| trappist | no, I did a lot of work on that. possibly I didn't update the status. | 05:42 |
| mdke | ok rock | 05:42 |
| robotgeek | mdke: what do i do with sections that are unfinished | 05:43 |
| mdke | robotgeek, i think it depends on what they are. If they'll be finished in a day or two, that'll be ok | 05:43 |
| robotgeek | okay | 05:43 |
| mdke | otherwise, and if they're not essential, cut em out, I suppose | 05:44 |
| robotgeek | nice job on single line introduction to chapters | 05:44 |
| mdke | thanks | 05:44 |
| robotgeek | back after some coffee | 05:45 |
| trappist | just looked at the firewall section. it might want to be a little more complete for dapper+1 but its status should be review. | 05:47 |
| trappist | aw crap. cupsys has been massively updated and the printing section of the serverguide might need some work to correspond with that. I'll check it out. | 05:48 |
| trappist | yep it does. | 05:53 |
| robotgeek | mdke: in UDG, About This Guide doesn't talk about the Getting Started chapter, is this intentional? | 06:03 |
| mdke | robotgeek, no | 06:04 |
| mdke | thanks :) | 06:05 |
| robotgeek | np | 06:05 |
| robotgeek | mdke: how did you get the sect1 to go on a different page? just by adding a para before sect1 or xsl foo? | 06:11 |
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| mdke | magic in the xsl | 06:13 |
| mdke | shall I do it for kubuntu too? | 06:13 |
| robotgeek | mdke: please :) | 06:13 |
| mdke | ok | 06:14 |
| mdke | done | 06:15 |
| robotgeek | thanks! | 06:15 |
| WaterSevenUb | mdke, typo in about-ubuntu.xml:64(para) gves=gives | 06:16 |
| robotgeek | one of these days, i will sit down and learn xsl | 06:16 |
| mdke | robotgeek, me too | 06:16 |
| mdke | WaterSevenUb, thanks | 06:17 |
| mdke | WaterSevenUb, you know you shouldn't be translating that though :) | 06:17 |
| WaterSevenUb | mdke, yeah :) just looking around ;) in any case it will preserve some work, I guess.. | 06:18 |
| mdke | yep, nice catch on that typo | 06:19 |
| WaterSevenUb | mdke, hey, the doc string freeze is tomorrow :-) | 06:20 |
| WaterSevenUb | ? | 06:20 |
| mdke | yes | 06:21 |
| robotgeek | WaterSevenUb: 7 hours, 40 minutes away | 06:21 |
| WaterSevenUb | aaah... good good :) eheh. I was scared with your warning but in 7 hours you can't stop me ;-) | 06:21 |
| mdke | how do you know the pot file is up to date? | 06:22 |
| WaterSevenUb | I was just looking around... yeah... it might not be up to date at all :) | 06:23 |
| mdke | that one is ok | 06:24 |
| mdke | the serverguide one is old tho | 06:24 |
| WaterSevenUb | yeah... and it seems some translators in our team have been actively translating them. Hopefully some work will be preserved. | 06:27 |
| WaterSevenUb | by the way, in the end you decided to include translated docs in ubuntu.com? I just noticed web-index I guess it is for that... | 06:28 |
| mdke | i think so. i haven't had many replies, tbh | 06:29 |
| WaterSevenUb | I agree with the idea. It does not stop local teams from including guides in their own websites. | 06:29 |
| mdke | good | 06:29 |
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| robotgeek | mdke: in http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/add-applications-introduction.html , the word section should be replaced by chapter maybe? | 06:37 |
| mdke | robotgeek, ok | 06:39 |
| mdke | done, thanks | 06:40 |
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| robotgeek | mdke: http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/hardware.html#other-hardware is there supposed to be a listing somewhere? | 07:11 |
| robotgeek | nvm, my bad | 07:13 |
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| jjesse | robotgeek: how are things going today? | 07:13 |
| robotgeek | jjesse: doing, good. proof reading, and making slight changes | 07:14 |
| jjesse | robotgeek: good to hear | 07:14 |
| robotgeek | jjesse: how are things on your end? | 07:14 |
| jjesse | robotgeek: really good, finishing some suggestions riddell made for the chapter and hopefully will update the release notes and about kubuntu (if it needs it tonight) | 07:15 |
| robotgeek | jjesse: for the book chapter? | 07:15 |
| jjesse | riddells suggestion were for the book | 07:16 |
| robotgeek | jjesse: when can you finish off the stuff for KDG? (handhelds, etc) | 07:21 |
| jjesse | as soon as possible | 07:22 |
| robotgeek | jjesse: sorry to be so pushy :) | 07:22 |
| jjesse | robotgeek: you aren't it's keeping me busy :) | 07:22 |
| trappist | is there a "what really needs to get done before the freeze" list? for example, is proofreading ok post-freeze and a waste of precious time now? | 07:50 |
| robotgeek | trappist: well, i suppose the things with "help" in them :) | 07:52 |
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| frank_ | I can do some proofreading for the kubuntu desktop guide. What part should I do? | 08:00 |
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| robotgeek | frank_: svn up, and go through config system | 08:01 |
| frank_ | robotgeek: ok. do you want me to try the steps or just check the spelling? | 08:02 |
| robotgeek | frank_: well, i do think they are correct, but see if you know if something is wrong. | 08:03 |
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| LaserJock | ;-) | 08:03 |
| frank_ | robotgeek: ok. | 08:03 |
| LaserJock | I'm working through your .vimrc file robotgeek | 08:04 |
| robotgeek | LaserJock: cool :) | 08:04 |
| LaserJock | mdke: around? | 08:05 |
| LaserJock | robotgeek: I like the idea of modularizing it a bit more | 08:06 |
| robotgeek | LaserJock: saw it in someone's muttrc | 08:07 |
| LaserJock | that's the other rc I need to work on | 08:08 |
| robotgeek | i need to setup imap first | 08:08 |
| trappist | my muttrc is extremely modularized | 08:08 |
| robotgeek | i think mine too :) | 08:08 |
| trappist | [trappist@temple trappist] $ ls .mutt | 08:09 |
| trappist | adfooters aliases bindings cavok certificates colors folderhooks gpg.rc home imappass lists macros mailbox mailboxes me.cavok mlfooters muttrc muttrc.t-prot poppass savehooks scptmp scripts settings sidebar signature | 08:09 |
| === robotgeek bows to trappist | ||
| trappist | you may rise. | 08:11 |
| LaserJock | I'm still trying to figure out how to *use* mutt to any extent. I've used pine for a long time | 08:12 |
| robotgeek | i use kmail now, very nice | 08:12 |
| robotgeek | beats the missing attachment problem | 08:12 |
| trappist | I switched back to kmail after using mutt for a coupla years. I'll probably stick with kmail this time. | 08:13 |
| trappist | I think using mutt is a lot like using vim - there's a lot of learning to be done, but it's pretty darn nice once you figure it out | 08:14 |
| robotgeek | :) | 08:15 |
| frank_ | robotgeek: geek in Preventing the Ctrl-Alt-Backspace shortcut keys from restarting X, the example points to nothing | 08:16 |
| robotgeek | frank_: just corrected the links | 08:17 |
| robotgeek | let me doublecheck | 08:17 |
| LaserJock | pine works very well for me for a CLI mail reader except it's GPG capabilities are not that great | 08:17 |
| LaserJock | s/it's/its/, right trappist? | 08:17 |
| trappist | yes | 08:18 |
| trappist | gpg in mutt works wonderfully | 08:18 |
| trappist | better than kmail, in that it'll remember your passphrase for a configurable amount of time, though that's a bit of a security issue | 08:19 |
| robotgeek | frank_: i corrected the makefile in the last commit, (about 15 minutes ago) so svn up and build it again :) | 08:19 |
| frank_ | robotgeek: ok. can I continue doing changes to the congig-system I already opened? | 08:22 |
| robotgeek | frank_: you might have to reintegrate the patch or send it to me, i will do it | 08:24 |
| frank_ | robotgeek: svn put my changes and yours together. it builds. so I guess it looks alright. I'm very new to svn! | 08:29 |
| robotgeek | frank_: cool, what changes did you make? | 08:30 |
| frank_ | robotgeek: just punctuation for now | 08:30 |
| frank_ | robotgeek: Actuallly I lost my changes. only 2 so I can do it again. | 08:31 |
| robotgeek | frank_: cool, i'll wait before touching that chapter again | 08:33 |
| frank_ | actually I think it DID work. I'm just confused I think.... | 08:33 |
| robotgeek | frank_: svn status, svn diff :) | 08:33 |
| frank_ | robotgeek: yeah. it looks good ;) | 08:34 |
| trappist | looks like we need to entity-ize gcc and glibc versions. wouldn't hurt to do kernel versions either. | 08:37 |
| trappist | GCC 4.0.1 and glibc 2.3.5 are out of date | 08:37 |
| === LaserJock needs to go through the packaging guide and entity-ize :( | ||
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| frank_ | Install the rar package from the <emphasis>Multiverse</emphasis> repository. tag for rar ? | 08:59 |
| robotgeek | frank_: which reminds me, i need to add unrar-nonfree somewhere too :) | 09:00 |
| robotgeek | frank_: hmm, lemme see what tag we use for package names | 09:00 |
| frank_ | <application>rar</application> | 09:00 |
| robotgeek | frank_: okay, go ahead | 09:01 |
| frank_ | that's what qtparted uses | 09:01 |
| mdke | Burgwork, someone mailed me to complain that you deleted https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KdeDiskArchiver They say they spent 5 hours on it. It seems not to be recoverable. | 09:05 |
| mdke | LaserJock, pong | 09:05 |
| Burgwork | mdke, I moved the homepage | 09:06 |
| Burgwork | the text was a straight copy from another source | 09:06 |
| === Burgwork curses the wikis lack of communication | ||
| mdke | Burgwork, KdeDiskArchiver I don't think was a homepage, from how he described it. Does it exist elsewhere? | 09:07 |
| mdke | he says he was doing a translation | 09:07 |
| LaserJock | mdke: I was just going to mention that "Manuals for the programs found in the Applications menu" could be a bit misleading | 09:08 |
| Burgwork | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Virusbuster?action=diff&rev2=41&rev1=39 | 09:08 |
| Burgwork | mdke, please ask him not to do it on the wiki and instead contact upstream | 09:08 |
| LaserJock | mdke: especially with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MenusRevisited | 09:09 |
| mdke | Burgwork, isn't it documentation? | 09:09 |
| Burgwork | mdke, it is copied from elsewhere and thus cannot be PD | 09:09 |
| mdke | Burgwork, so has he lost his work or not, I don't understand? | 09:09 |
| Burgwork | no, it is there | 09:09 |
| Burgwork | he had a wierd amalgam of his homepage and this translation work | 09:10 |
| Burgwork | do I nuke the translated non-PD stuff and moved the page | 09:10 |
| mdke | without asking first? | 09:11 |
| mdke | that's very harsh | 09:11 |
| Burgwork | I should have left a note, for which I realize is now a mistake | 09:11 |
| mdke | anyway, glad it's still there somewhere | 09:11 |
| mdke | i'll mail him | 09:11 |
| Burgwork | it is a translation of upstreams manually, so it better done with them | 09:11 |
| mdke | right, but for a newcomer to a wiki it's disconcerting to stay up til 3am and then have your work nuked | 09:13 |
| mdke | especially since the public domain thing hasn't yet been implemented | 09:13 |
| frank_ | sudo crontab -e this uses vi. what would be the kde equivalent? kdesu kate /etc/? This is for the Run a system command automatically at Startup section | 09:13 |
| mdke | frank_, it uses the system default editor. The kde equivalent is the same | 09:14 |
| frank_ | yeah but this is the first time I see the kubuntu desktop guide assume you know vi. I think that should be avoided | 09:15 |
| Burgwork | why the heck do I get useless emails about the wiki, but when someone wants to complain, they don't email me | 09:15 |
| mdke | because you're not the coordinator of the italian translation project | 09:16 |
| Burgwork | ah | 09:16 |
| mdke | frank_, it's a bug in Ubuntu that it uses vi as the default editor | 09:16 |
| robotgeek | heh, using nano is tough for me now! | 09:17 |
| trappist | we need a way to be alerted to version upgrades for stuff like python and glibc | 09:17 |
| trappist | for release notes | 09:18 |
| LaserJock | trappist: those don't change all that often | 09:19 |
| LaserJock | trappist: how specific should we be? | 09:19 |
| trappist | looks like we're using the upstream version number | 09:20 |
| trappist | I'm sure it doesn't change that often, but python, gcc and glibc have all changed since the release notes were written | 09:20 |
| frank_ | robotgeek: Skip boot-up services temporarily will you add something here? | 09:21 |
| LaserJock | trappist: it depends on whether you report the major version or complete version. For instance we use Python 2.4, that hasn't changed | 09:22 |
| trappist | the release notes said 2.4.2 | 09:23 |
| LaserJock | right, but maybe the release note should have 2.4 although probably the fuller version gives us a newer look ;-) | 09:25 |
| LaserJock | anyway, it wouldn't be hard to whip up a script that checks for the current versions | 09:25 |
| robotgeek | frank_: no, do you have anything to add? | 09:32 |
| robotgeek | i also want Makefiles which don't build the whole thing again :) | 09:32 |
| frank_ | robotgeek: I don't even know when that Ctrl-C should be used | 09:33 |
| robotgeek | frank_: i am not sure if you can use it, we'll nuke the section | 09:34 |
| frank_ | robotgeek: ok | 09:34 |
| mdke | i've nuked that in DG | 09:34 |
| mdke | it works, but is unnecessary | 09:34 |
| frank_ | robotgeek: I'll delete it | 09:34 |
| robotgeek | frank_: cool | 09:34 |
| Burgwork | mdke, do you think you will be able to make it to the next ubuntu development meeting? | 09:38 |
| mdke | Burgwork, don't know. | 09:38 |
| Burgwork | mdke, would be nice if we could have more than one doc person | 09:38 |
| mdke | I will try and make a weekend, maybe | 09:39 |
| mdke | who else is going? | 09:39 |
| Burgwork | I should be able to find the money to fund myself and should be able to take the time off work | 09:39 |
| mdke | cool | 09:41 |
| Burgwork | put as you know, sometimes my ideas clash with those of the doc team, so it is good to get a balanced perspective :) | 09:42 |
| LaserJock | I'd like to go (both as a doc person and a MOTU) but I'm not sure if I have money for it | 09:42 |
| lloydinho | hey, do you guys know when the next development meeting is going to take place (and where?) | 09:43 |
| Burgwork | where is likely germany, time is now up in the air | 09:43 |
| frank_ | robotgeek: 3D ATI Video Card Driver section: I have no idea if that works or not | 09:43 |
| Burgwork | I expect third or fourth week of june | 09:43 |
| lloydinho | thanks. I expect I'll be going, then. | 09:44 |
| mdke | where are you from lloydinho? | 09:44 |
| lloydinho | Denmark.. | 09:44 |
| robotgeek | frank_: okay, no problem. | 09:44 |
| mdke | cool | 09:44 |
| lloydinho | oh, and to whoever finished up the packaging section in the DG: it looks really swell now. | 09:45 |
| mdke | thanks, you, me and Brian did it :) | 09:46 |
| lloydinho | :) | 09:46 |
| mdke | LaserJock, I think the slight confusion is worth it. It's more confusing to have "Manuals for installed applications", because non graphical apps aren't in there | 09:47 |
| lloydinho | If nobody else's reviewing "Burning CDs" section of the DG, I'll have a look at that.. | 09:48 |
| mdke | lloydinho, go for it. we also need to take a look at the DVD section | 09:48 |
| mdke | 1. are extra codecs needed? | 09:48 |
| mdke | 2. should we recommend a better dvd player? | 09:48 |
| LaserJock | I see your point for sure, I can just see bug reports "XYZ is in the Applications help but not in the Applications menu" | 09:48 |
| mdke | the answer to 2 is almost certainly yes | 09:49 |
| frank_ | robotgeek: Winmodems: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SettingUpModems should be the primary resource I think. | 09:49 |
| lloydinho | mdke: I'll review that, as well. | 09:49 |
| mdke | LaserJock, yeah. it's a choice between 2 not perfect results. But those categories are so totally boned anyway, I don't think it's our fault | 09:49 |
| LaserJock | lol | 09:49 |
| LaserJock | I think at least having some description helps | 09:50 |
| LaserJock | even an imperfect one ;-) | 09:50 |
| mdke | hmm | 09:50 |
| mdke | tricky | 09:50 |
| robotgeek | frank_: it might be a good idea to just remove the previous sentence, i think | 09:51 |
| === robotgeek greps the kdg for gedit | ||
| frank_ | robotgeek: ok | 09:52 |
| mdke | LaserJock, any other ideas for the phrasing? | 09:55 |
| Burgwork | mdke, gxine works with the instructions given | 09:56 |
| Burgwork | mdke, it is not the prettiest player, but it gets the job done | 09:56 |
| mdke | Burgwork, great. no extra codecs or anything? | 09:56 |
| Burgwork | just what is already there | 09:56 |
| Burgwork | menus work | 09:56 |
| mdke | is gxine different from xine-ui? | 09:56 |
| Burgwork | no idea, I think so | 09:56 |
| Burgwork | gxine is a gtk ui for xine | 09:57 |
| mdke | ah ok | 09:57 |
| mdke | i use xine-ui for dvds here on breezy, and it's relatively good looking | 09:57 |
| mdke | it has a menu like a real dvd player | 09:57 |
| Burgwork | ick | 09:58 |
| Burgwork | menu like real dvd player is not actually useful | 09:58 |
| mdke | well, I like it | 09:58 |
| LaserJock | "Shipped Manuals", "Application Manuals", "Installed Manuals" ? I'm not sure | 10:01 |
| LaserJock | but I found several CLI application manuals in there | 10:01 |
| mdke | oh christ | 10:01 |
| mdke | "Lucky Dip" | 10:01 |
| LaserJock | sorry :/ | 10:02 |
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| LaserJock | :-) | 10:02 |
| mdke | not your fault, it's upstream crap | 10:02 |
| mdke | Manuals for Installed Applications, I think | 10:03 |
| mdke | any other ideas? | 10:03 |
| LaserJock | perhaps, although it somewhat bothers me that that might imply that all installed apps have manuals there :s | 10:03 |
| mdke | yes | 10:04 |
| LaserJock | but I think it might be the best we can do until those categories are cleaned up | 10:04 |
| mdke | I can't think of anything better | 10:04 |
| LaserJock | me neither at the moment | 10:04 |
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| robotgeek | frank_: ping | 10:22 |
| frank_ | robotgeek: I just finished | 10:23 |
| robotgeek | frank_: awesome :) | 10:23 |
| robotgeek | frank_: did not want to do anything without your patch :) | 10:23 |
| frank_ | robotgeek: what do you want me to do with the patch? | 10:24 |
| robotgeek | frank_: mail it to me? / list | 10:24 |
| frank_ | I can mail to you | 10:24 |
| frank_ | venkatvc@ubuntu.com right? | 10:25 |
| robotgeek | yup. | 10:26 |
| rob | mdke, nice, I'll send some comments later from work :) | 10:28 |
| LaserJock | mdke: do you know how easy it would be to update books with lulu? | 10:29 |
| frank_ | robotgeek: do you have an easy way to see exactly what are the changes I made? | 10:29 |
| robotgeek | frank_: received, thanks. (better get an email address for the list) | 10:29 |
| rob | LaserJock, you can do it all on line | 10:29 |
| robotgeek | frank_: diff works for me, i can now read diffs :) | 10:30 |
| LaserJock | rob: so would a new version be done for each release? | 10:30 |
| rob | also bear in mind that without paying a fee (about $160) then the book will not get an ISBN number and thus not be available from bookstores | 10:30 |
| mdke | LaserJock, you just upload them | 10:30 |
| rob | it will be available online though the lulu bookstore though | 10:31 |
| LaserJock | I was sort of feeling the waters about interest in a packaging book. | 10:31 |
| mdke | i don't think online stores would be an option | 10:31 |
| mdke | linking from the document itself was more what I had in mind | 10:32 |
| frank_ | robotgeek: yeah but is it easy to tell what I changed if all I did was remove a double .. | 10:32 |
| robotgeek | frank_: no problem, let me try kompare too | 10:33 |
| LaserJock | is the official Ubuntu book done? | 10:41 |
| robotgeek | frank_: commited, thanks. | 10:54 |
| === robotgeek curses kdesvn | ||
| frank_ | robotgeek: ok great | 10:57 |
| robotgeek | frank_: kdesvn crashed locking the directory, i had read quite a bit :) | 10:57 |
| frank_ | ok | 10:58 |
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| frank_ | robotgeek: I wanted to try kdesvn and it crashed on me too | 11:00 |
| robotgeek | frank_: it worked fine last time, dunno why it crashed this time. i'll probably try it at a lesser curcial time :) | 11:01 |
| frank_ | robotgeek: how many hours left? | 11:01 |
| robotgeek | 3 hours | 11:04 |
| frank_ | robotgeek: oh... that's it. Do you want help with anything else? | 11:05 |
| robotgeek | frank_: sure, more proofreading :) | 11:05 |
| robotgeek | the only proofreading it has gotten has been from me | 11:05 |
| frank_ | robotgeek: hehe. yeah after a while it's impossible to see your own mistakes | 11:06 |
| frank_ | robotgeek: what part should I do? are you still adding new stuff or just polishing? | 11:06 |
| robotgeek | yeah. plus the fact that we don't actually read all the words | 11:06 |
| robotgeek | frank_: i was planning on a adding a small section on switching keyboard layouts, but i think it is done automatically. so skipping that one | 11:07 |
| frank_ | robotgeek: once you have more than one setup (is that there?) yuu click on the small flag to switch | 11:08 |
| robotgeek | frank_: well, no section yet. maybe we should add that in? | 11:08 |
| frank_ | robotgeek: I say yes: lots of people use both english and their native language. | 11:09 |
| robotgeek | frank_: can you add that in? i am not sure of the instructions? we can then probably move keyboard stuff into one section later | 11:10 |
| frank_ | robotgeek: ok. where should I add it? | 11:11 |
| robotgeek | frank_: just add it say, before skim. we'll move everything together anyways (there are about 5 keyboard layout things) | 11:12 |
| robotgeek | err, keyboard related things | 11:12 |
| frank_ | robotgeek: ok. Il do it right now | 11:12 |
| robotgeek | frank_: thanks, much appreciated :) | 11:12 |
| frank_ | robotgeek: no problem ;) | 11:14 |
| robotgeek | brb | 11:19 |
| trappist | who owns the installation guide? | 11:23 |
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| Burgwork | trappist, currently nobody | 11:24 |
| trappist | oh. | 11:24 |
| trappist | we have a couple of fill-in-the-blank paragraphs at the bottom of it. | 11:24 |
| trappist | something about how big to make your swap partition. I'd fill them in, but the guide to that point uses different swap space rules of thumb than I was raised with, so I'm not sure what the author intended there. | 11:25 |
| Burgwork | trappist, we now have two installers | 11:30 |
| Burgwork | but in general, if you want to work on it, go nuts | 11:30 |
| trappist | aight | 11:31 |
| trappist | is the other (graphical?) installer documented? | 11:31 |
| Burgwork | ask Kamion | 11:31 |
| trappist | k | 11:31 |
| frank_ | robotgeek: almost done. how do I write the & ? | 11:52 |
| robotgeek | frank_: & | 11:52 |
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| frank_ | robotgeek: and what is the system tray called in kde? where the small icons are? | 11:55 |
| frank_ | robotgeek: I see it's just called system tray ok | 11:55 |
| robotgeek | system tray :) | 11:55 |
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