=== mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:36] hey fellow docs [01:36] hi robotgeek [01:37] we need a nicer name :) [02:02] "authors" sounds nice === jjesse [i=user@69-87-141-119.async.iserv.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock [n=laserjoc@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:25] LaserJock: nice vim mapping for aspell, i added some more to it. [03:27] cool [03:28] i now load different files based on filetype, in hopes of modularizing and speeding up my vim === LaserJock [n=laserjoc@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:00] howdy Burgundavia [04:01] robotgeek: do you have a URL for your updated .vimrc? [04:01] salut rob [04:01] robotgeek: === Madpilot [n=brian@S0106000d88b9f3db.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:02] LaserJock: okay, let me post [04:02] hi all [04:04] salut Madpilot [04:04] Madpilot: did you get that issue with clive's machien sorted? [04:04] Burgundavia, sorting it right now, actually [04:05] LaserJock: http://robotgeek.org/vimrc.txt [04:13] robotgeek: ahh, do you kinow anything about this and can you help fix it? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KdeDiskArchiver [04:15] Burgundavia: nope, what langauge is this in :P [04:16] Burgundavia: seems to be paste from http://kdar.sourceforge.net/kdar-html-docs/index.html [04:17] robotgeek: oh bugger. I will wipe it [04:57] yeah, I got both a personal mediawiki and personal moin setup on my iMac today [04:57] hmm [04:57] what to do [04:57] I am proofing a chapter for the book, but it mentions using Xchat to connect to #ubuntu [04:57] however, xchat is no longer shipped === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:58] LaserJock: i just use the desktop moin, it was painless to get working [04:58] yeah, I have that at home on my Windows machine [04:59] and there is MoinX for OSX that is a breeze too [04:59] but mediawiki was a beast === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:59] I finally got it going well using MAMP www.mamp.info === mpt_ [n=mpt@219-89-136-107.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:11] hmm, I'm personally not fond of "Installing from a single package file" as a section title [05:12] nor am I === crimsun [n=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:29] Burgundavia, XChat has been demoted to Universe for Dapper, but it's still around (thankfully, given how XChat-Gnome bites...) [05:30] LaserJock: i call the section "Manual Installation" [05:34] Madpilot: I would hope not. Lots of people use it. More than xchat-gnome for sure [05:35] I noticed that Matt put a mention of GAIM into the UDG's 'How to get help' section [05:36] uggh, why don't we just tell them to use irssi, that's in main ;-) [05:36] while we are at it, tell then to use screen also [05:36] for sure [05:37] (why is it that all the gui irc clients I've tried absolutely choke when a user joins more than, say, 12 channels?) [05:38] hmm, max I've ever done is 10 (gui or irssi) [05:38] I've been on about 15 at once in XChat, it handled it OK. So did Opera's built-in IRC client [05:39] I have a row of illegible tabs of ellipses in konversation [05:39] heh [05:39] robotgeek: your aspell mapping is specific to sgml, what setting that according to file type? [05:40] s/what/what about/ [05:40] LaserJock: since most of the documents i type which need spellchecking are xml, i use that [05:40] gosh, I need to proofread my IRC today [05:40] LaserJock: it is in ~/.vim/xml.vim which gets loaded only if filetype is xml [05:42] robotgeek: what is: Contents of .vim/python.vim [05:42] is that supposed to be a comment? [05:42] LaserJock: well, the lines below that go to ~/.vim/python.vim (i catted it for you) [05:43] ahhh, I see === Kamping_Kaiser [n=Kaiser@ppp232-141.lns2.adl4.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:43] saves me the trouble of putting python specific stuff in my vimrc :) === crimsun [n=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:45] Madpilot: bloody hell [05:46] Burgundavia, hmm? [05:46] Madpilot: the whole irc thing === bhuvan_ [n=bhuvan@b14.gw.maa.collab.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:47] XChat vs XChat-Gnome vs Gaim (which is supposed to have fairly bad IRC implementation) [05:48] and both XChat & XChat-Gnome suck, to varying degrees and for different reasons :P [05:48] you guys watching -devel? [05:49] yes [05:49] nope [05:49] what's up on -devel? [05:49] I affirm that Gaim's irc implementation blows even worse than Konversation's [05:50] a guy wrote a program to make Gaim open up irc:// urls [05:50] crimsun, heh - that leaves Ubuntu without a sane IRC app... (XChat being, IMO, the best of the lot, but far from ideal...) [05:55] crimsun: it also takes about 15 steps to get into #ubuntu [06:10] XChat launches into #ubuntu by default - -Gnome just sits there :P [06:12] yep === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:28] hi robitaille === robotgeek goes on a status tags changing spree [06:33] hi Madpilot [06:37] On Dapper, flashplugin-nonfree has replaced flashplayer-mozilla, right? [06:38] ping? i just got an error on cron regarding one of the docs, but when i open it i don't see an error [06:38] who should i ask about it? [06:39] Kamping_Kaiser: care to explain? [06:39] Madpilot: yup. [06:39] robotgeek, OK, I'll update UDG. Thanks [06:40] scrollkeeper couldnt find an ent file which is linked to in ///usr/share/Gnome/help/about-ubuntu/C/about-ubuntu.xml . i;m wondering who to check with about it. [06:40] i think i saw a bug report today [06:41] long as i'm not alone [06:41] Kamping_Kaiser: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-docs/+bug/38062 looks familiar? [06:43] yes, but mines a lot less scary :) [06:43] Burgundavia, in Ubuntu Dapper, is the Configuration Editor available by default in menus? (In Breezy it's Apps->System Tools->Config. Editor [06:46] Madpilot: nope [06:46] it is hidden [06:46] alt-f2 gconf-editor [06:46] installed but not in the menu? [06:46] yeah, I'll recommend Alt-F2 then in UDG [06:47] yep === bhuvan_ is now known as bhuvan === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:29] morning [08:29] hi mdke [08:30] Madpilot, still waiting on flashplayer-mozilla, btw [08:30] I'll poke infinity [08:34] cd === bhuvan have typed in wrong window [08:36] :) [08:36] bhuvan, did you see Rocco's second patch for the apache section? [08:37] mdke, yes; but i guess there was no attachment ? [08:37] oh [08:38] i expect him to send with attachment or atleast i should intimate him [08:38] bhuvan, we should reply, telling him so :) [08:39] ok, i'll [08:39] he must have forgotten it [08:44] bhuvan, thanks [08:45] ok, so are we go on the yelp frontpage? I like andreas' improvements to the wording [08:46] mdke, np [08:47] Madpilot, that flash thing, flashplayer-mozilla should be coming back... but if we stay with the other package, I think we will have to include a couple of extra steps to get it working, because that's just a downloader package [09:08] mdke, ah, OK - I just use Macromedia's installer, myself... === mpt__ [n=mpt@222-154-180-104.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:17] Madpilot, that's not a bad idea either :) [09:17] it works with all browsers (not just FF) and it doesn't change based on the vagarities of open-source politics :P [09:19] yes, i did it that way the other day, it works fine [10:04] woah.. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThirdPartyPackages [10:04] click 'n' run eat your heart out [10:25] rob, that spec has been implemented [10:27] hasn't seemed to stop people commenting though [10:43] rob, i've posted about your lulu idea === manicka [n=manicka@ubuntu/member/manicka] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:38] can someone tell me if gsfonts-x11 is installed by default in dapper? [11:41] mdke, i guess not [11:41] i use dapper (upgraded from breezy), it does not contain gsfonts-x11 [11:46] bhuvan, thanks [11:46] mdke, np [11:46] mdke, btw, yesterday i took a session on "contributing to Ubuntu" in my office [11:46] around 30 of my collegues attended the session. overall it went well [11:47] bhuvan, cool!!! [11:47] nice one [11:47] i've scheduled it on apr 09, 3pm-3:30pm IST at barcamp === mdke nods, string freeze will be out the way by then [11:49] bhuvan, is the server guide looking ok to be frozen in the next couple of days? === bhuvan does double check [11:50] mdke, imo, it's ok. except 1 or 2 sections are incomplete [11:50] the status report is still showing a lot of "review" tags [11:51] probably, trappist has reviewed lots of those already, not sure [11:51] mdke, yes; he did [11:51] i guess only nntp is incomplete [11:52] do you have time to do a quick update of the tags, so we can see what is going on? [11:53] sue [11:53] s/sue/sure [11:53] i'll update before eod today [11:53] yay [11:56] thanks a lot dude [11:57] np === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-154-59.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:28] gotta love henrik [12:28] that's a much better logout dialogue [12:28] http://people.ubuntu.com/~henrik/images/collapsing-logout.png === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-154-59.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === manicka [n=manicka@ubuntu/member/manicka] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-154-59.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-154-59.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke hacks away at multimedia in the desktop guide [02:46] nearly there, only DVDs to be resolved now, I think [02:49] cheer === highvoltage [n=Jono@ubuntu/member/highvoltage] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:29] trappist, yes, not currently used, it isn't in serverguide.xml [04:31] shame tho [04:32] yeah [04:33] if I'd noticed earlier maybe I coulda done something, but we're coming up on that string freeze and I lost my final round of apache2 changes and hafta do it again :/ [04:33] it's a bit late to revive it, probably [04:33] yeah, bummer about that === Burgwork [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:10] what file contains the "conventions" section at the top of each manual? [05:11] common/C/preface.xml, except in the desktop guide [05:11] thanks === highvoltage [n=Jono@mtngprs7.mtn.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:17] you know what would be handy here? a bot that lives on docteam.ubuntu.com and spouts to the channel on events like svn commits. [05:17] yeah === robotgeek [i=venkat@ubuntu/member/robotgeek] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:25] howz it going? [05:26] fantabulous [05:26] how are you, robotgeek [05:26] highvoltage: just woke up :) [05:26] morning person? [05:27] highvoltage: no, it's 11:30 am [05:29] i would also be in a good mood if i only got up at 11:30 in the mornings :) [05:29] no kidding [05:29] i did go to bed only at 4:00 am [05:29] you know what else would be handy? a trac site for the svn repo [05:29] trac? [05:30] see one of mine: http://ipkungfu.ufsoft.org/ [05:33] well you can browse the repo online, and file bugs and so on, just not all in the same place, I guess [05:34] I think it'd be nice for us to have our own place to track progress, assign tickets, view diffs, etc. I've used trac at my last two jobs and I find it pretty indispensible. [05:35] another ticket system might clash with malone, tho [05:35] but viewing diffs might be helpful i suppose, although the mailing list is good for that [05:37] malone is great for bugs submitted by users, to make us aware of them. a trac site would be for internal use, to keep us from stepping on each other's toes, etc., and it's a little more specialized than malone for this. it'd serve a separate purpose. [05:37] could be, maybe I just can't visualise it [05:37] nice work on apache2, trappist :) [05:38] thanks [05:39] mdke: I felt pretty much the same way when my last boss announced we'd be using trac. after trying half a dozen other ticket systems, progress trackers, repo frontends, etc., it was like, whatever. but trac is pretty great. [05:40] if only they'd rewrite it in ruby so I could hack on it more :) [05:41] ok, so the server guide looks mainly done, except "Firewall Configuration", is that pretty raw? [05:42] no, I did a lot of work on that. possibly I didn't update the status. [05:42] ok rock [05:43] mdke: what do i do with sections that are unfinished [05:43] robotgeek, i think it depends on what they are. If they'll be finished in a day or two, that'll be ok [05:43] okay [05:44] otherwise, and if they're not essential, cut em out, I suppose [05:44] nice job on single line introduction to chapters [05:44] thanks [05:45] back after some coffee [05:47] just looked at the firewall section. it might want to be a little more complete for dapper+1 but its status should be review. [05:48] aw crap. cupsys has been massively updated and the printing section of the serverguide might need some work to correspond with that. I'll check it out. [05:53] yep it does. [06:03] mdke: in UDG, About This Guide doesn't talk about the Getting Started chapter, is this intentional? [06:04] robotgeek, no [06:05] thanks :) [06:05] np [06:11] mdke: how did you get the sect1 to go on a different page? just by adding a para before sect1 or xsl foo? === lakin [n=lakin@S01060013101832ce.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:13] magic in the xsl [06:13] shall I do it for kubuntu too? [06:13] mdke: please :) [06:14] ok [06:15] done [06:15] thanks! [06:16] mdke, typo in about-ubuntu.xml:64(para) gves=gives [06:16] one of these days, i will sit down and learn xsl [06:16] robotgeek, me too [06:17] WaterSevenUb, thanks [06:17] WaterSevenUb, you know you shouldn't be translating that though :) [06:18] mdke, yeah :) just looking around ;) in any case it will preserve some work, I guess.. [06:19] yep, nice catch on that typo [06:20] mdke, hey, the doc string freeze is tomorrow :-) [06:20] ? [06:21] yes [06:21] WaterSevenUb: 7 hours, 40 minutes away [06:21] aaah... good good :) eheh. I was scared with your warning but in 7 hours you can't stop me ;-) [06:22] how do you know the pot file is up to date? [06:23] I was just looking around... yeah... it might not be up to date at all :) [06:24] that one is ok [06:24] the serverguide one is old tho [06:27] yeah... and it seems some translators in our team have been actively translating them. Hopefully some work will be preserved. [06:28] by the way, in the end you decided to include translated docs in ubuntu.com? I just noticed web-index I guess it is for that... [06:29] i think so. i haven't had many replies, tbh [06:29] I agree with the idea. It does not stop local teams from including guides in their own websites. [06:29] good === frank_ [n=frank@modemcable135.248-130-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:37] mdke: in http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/add-applications-introduction.html , the word section should be replaced by chapter maybe? [06:39] robotgeek, ok [06:40] done, thanks === bojicas [n=bojicas@we1-as1434.alshamil.net.ae] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:11] mdke: http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/hardware.html#other-hardware is there supposed to be a listing somewhere? [07:13] nvm, my bad === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.211.117] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bojicas [n=bojicas@we1-as1434.alshamil.net.ae] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:13] robotgeek: how are things going today? [07:14] jjesse: doing, good. proof reading, and making slight changes [07:14] robotgeek: good to hear [07:14] jjesse: how are things on your end? [07:15] robotgeek: really good, finishing some suggestions riddell made for the chapter and hopefully will update the release notes and about kubuntu (if it needs it tonight) [07:15] jjesse: for the book chapter? [07:16] riddells suggestion were for the book [07:21] jjesse: when can you finish off the stuff for KDG? (handhelds, etc) [07:22] as soon as possible [07:22] jjesse: sorry to be so pushy :) [07:22] robotgeek: you aren't it's keeping me busy :) [07:50] is there a "what really needs to get done before the freeze" list? for example, is proofreading ok post-freeze and a waste of precious time now? [07:52] trappist: well, i suppose the things with "help" in them :) === lloydinho [n=andreas@rosinante.egmont-kol.dk] has joined #ubuntu-doc === frank_ [n=frank@modemcable135.248-130-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:00] I can do some proofreading for the kubuntu desktop guide. What part should I do? === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:01] frank_: svn up, and go through config system [08:02] robotgeek: ok. do you want me to try the steps or just check the spelling? [08:03] frank_: well, i do think they are correct, but see if you know if something is wrong. === LaserJock [n=laserjoc@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robotgeek also spellchecked with aspell yesterday [08:03] ;-) [08:03] robotgeek: ok. [08:04] I'm working through your .vimrc file robotgeek [08:04] LaserJock: cool :) [08:05] mdke: around? [08:06] robotgeek: I like the idea of modularizing it a bit more [08:07] LaserJock: saw it in someone's muttrc [08:08] that's the other rc I need to work on [08:08] i need to setup imap first [08:08] my muttrc is extremely modularized [08:08] i think mine too :) [08:09] [trappist@temple trappist] $ ls .mutt [08:09] adfooters aliases bindings cavok certificates colors folderhooks gpg.rc home imappass lists macros mailbox mailboxes me.cavok mlfooters muttrc muttrc.t-prot poppass savehooks scptmp scripts settings sidebar signature === robotgeek bows to trappist [08:11] you may rise. [08:12] I'm still trying to figure out how to *use* mutt to any extent. I've used pine for a long time [08:12] i use kmail now, very nice [08:12] beats the missing attachment problem [08:13] I switched back to kmail after using mutt for a coupla years. I'll probably stick with kmail this time. [08:14] I think using mutt is a lot like using vim - there's a lot of learning to be done, but it's pretty darn nice once you figure it out [08:15] :) [08:16] robotgeek: geek in Preventing the Ctrl-Alt-Backspace shortcut keys from restarting X, the example points to nothing [08:17] frank_: just corrected the links [08:17] let me doublecheck [08:17] pine works very well for me for a CLI mail reader except it's GPG capabilities are not that great [08:17] s/it's/its/, right trappist? [08:18] yes [08:18] gpg in mutt works wonderfully [08:19] better than kmail, in that it'll remember your passphrase for a configurable amount of time, though that's a bit of a security issue [08:19] frank_: i corrected the makefile in the last commit, (about 15 minutes ago) so svn up and build it again :) [08:22] robotgeek: ok. can I continue doing changes to the congig-system I already opened? [08:24] frank_: you might have to reintegrate the patch or send it to me, i will do it [08:29] robotgeek: svn put my changes and yours together. it builds. so I guess it looks alright. I'm very new to svn! [08:30] frank_: cool, what changes did you make? [08:30] robotgeek: just punctuation for now [08:31] robotgeek: Actuallly I lost my changes. only 2 so I can do it again. [08:33] frank_: cool, i'll wait before touching that chapter again [08:33] actually I think it DID work. I'm just confused I think.... [08:33] frank_: svn status, svn diff :) [08:34] robotgeek: yeah. it looks good ;) [08:37] looks like we need to entity-ize gcc and glibc versions. wouldn't hurt to do kernel versions either. [08:37] GCC 4.0.1 and glibc 2.3.5 are out of date === LaserJock needs to go through the packaging guide and entity-ize :( === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-55-122.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:59] Install the rar package from the Multiverse repository. tag for rar ? [09:00] frank_: which reminds me, i need to add unrar-nonfree somewhere too :) [09:00] frank_: hmm, lemme see what tag we use for package names [09:00] rar [09:01] frank_: okay, go ahead [09:01] that's what qtparted uses [09:05] Burgwork, someone mailed me to complain that you deleted https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KdeDiskArchiver They say they spent 5 hours on it. It seems not to be recoverable. [09:05] LaserJock, pong [09:06] mdke, I moved the homepage [09:06] the text was a straight copy from another source === Burgwork curses the wikis lack of communication [09:07] Burgwork, KdeDiskArchiver I don't think was a homepage, from how he described it. Does it exist elsewhere? [09:07] he says he was doing a translation [09:08] mdke: I was just going to mention that "Manuals for the programs found in the Applications menu" could be a bit misleading [09:08] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Virusbuster?action=diff&rev2=41&rev1=39 [09:08] mdke, please ask him not to do it on the wiki and instead contact upstream [09:09] mdke: especially with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MenusRevisited [09:09] Burgwork, isn't it documentation? [09:09] mdke, it is copied from elsewhere and thus cannot be PD [09:09] Burgwork, so has he lost his work or not, I don't understand? [09:09] no, it is there [09:10] he had a wierd amalgam of his homepage and this translation work [09:10] do I nuke the translated non-PD stuff and moved the page [09:11] without asking first? [09:11] that's very harsh [09:11] I should have left a note, for which I realize is now a mistake [09:11] anyway, glad it's still there somewhere [09:11] i'll mail him [09:11] it is a translation of upstreams manually, so it better done with them [09:13] right, but for a newcomer to a wiki it's disconcerting to stay up til 3am and then have your work nuked [09:13] especially since the public domain thing hasn't yet been implemented [09:13] sudo crontab -e this uses vi. what would be the kde equivalent? kdesu kate /etc/? This is for the Run a system command automatically at Startup section [09:14] frank_, it uses the system default editor. The kde equivalent is the same [09:15] yeah but this is the first time I see the kubuntu desktop guide assume you know vi. I think that should be avoided [09:15] why the heck do I get useless emails about the wiki, but when someone wants to complain, they don't email me [09:16] because you're not the coordinator of the italian translation project [09:16] ah [09:16] frank_, it's a bug in Ubuntu that it uses vi as the default editor [09:17] heh, using nano is tough for me now! [09:17] we need a way to be alerted to version upgrades for stuff like python and glibc [09:18] for release notes [09:19] trappist: those don't change all that often [09:19] trappist: how specific should we be? [09:20] looks like we're using the upstream version number [09:20] I'm sure it doesn't change that often, but python, gcc and glibc have all changed since the release notes were written [09:21] robotgeek: Skip boot-up services temporarily will you add something here? [09:22] trappist: it depends on whether you report the major version or complete version. For instance we use Python 2.4, that hasn't changed [09:23] the release notes said 2.4.2 [09:25] right, but maybe the release note should have 2.4 although probably the fuller version gives us a newer look ;-) [09:25] anyway, it wouldn't be hard to whip up a script that checks for the current versions [09:32] frank_: no, do you have anything to add? [09:32] i also want Makefiles which don't build the whole thing again :) [09:33] robotgeek: I don't even know when that Ctrl-C should be used [09:34] frank_: i am not sure if you can use it, we'll nuke the section [09:34] robotgeek: ok [09:34] i've nuked that in DG [09:34] it works, but is unnecessary [09:34] robotgeek: I'll delete it [09:34] frank_: cool [09:38] mdke, do you think you will be able to make it to the next ubuntu development meeting? [09:38] Burgwork, don't know. [09:38] mdke, would be nice if we could have more than one doc person [09:39] I will try and make a weekend, maybe [09:39] who else is going? [09:39] I should be able to find the money to fund myself and should be able to take the time off work [09:41] cool [09:42] put as you know, sometimes my ideas clash with those of the doc team, so it is good to get a balanced perspective :) [09:42] I'd like to go (both as a doc person and a MOTU) but I'm not sure if I have money for it [09:43] hey, do you guys know when the next development meeting is going to take place (and where?) [09:43] where is likely germany, time is now up in the air [09:43] robotgeek: 3D ATI Video Card Driver section: I have no idea if that works or not [09:43] I expect third or fourth week of june [09:44] thanks. I expect I'll be going, then. [09:44] where are you from lloydinho? [09:44] Denmark.. [09:44] frank_: okay, no problem. [09:44] cool [09:45] oh, and to whoever finished up the packaging section in the DG: it looks really swell now. [09:46] thanks, you, me and Brian did it :) [09:46] :) [09:47] LaserJock, I think the slight confusion is worth it. It's more confusing to have "Manuals for installed applications", because non graphical apps aren't in there [09:48] If nobody else's reviewing "Burning CDs" section of the DG, I'll have a look at that.. [09:48] lloydinho, go for it. we also need to take a look at the DVD section [09:48] 1. are extra codecs needed? [09:48] 2. should we recommend a better dvd player? [09:48] I see your point for sure, I can just see bug reports "XYZ is in the Applications help but not in the Applications menu" [09:49] the answer to 2 is almost certainly yes [09:49] robotgeek: Winmodems: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SettingUpModems should be the primary resource I think. [09:49] mdke: I'll review that, as well. [09:49] LaserJock, yeah. it's a choice between 2 not perfect results. But those categories are so totally boned anyway, I don't think it's our fault [09:49] lol [09:50] I think at least having some description helps [09:50] even an imperfect one ;-) [09:50] hmm [09:50] tricky [09:51] frank_: it might be a good idea to just remove the previous sentence, i think === robotgeek greps the kdg for gedit [09:52] robotgeek: ok [09:55] LaserJock, any other ideas for the phrasing? [09:56] mdke, gxine works with the instructions given [09:56] mdke, it is not the prettiest player, but it gets the job done [09:56] Burgwork, great. no extra codecs or anything? [09:56] just what is already there [09:56] menus work [09:56] is gxine different from xine-ui? [09:56] no idea, I think so [09:57] gxine is a gtk ui for xine [09:57] ah ok [09:57] i use xine-ui for dvds here on breezy, and it's relatively good looking [09:57] it has a menu like a real dvd player [09:58] ick [09:58] menu like real dvd player is not actually useful [09:58] well, I like it [10:01] "Shipped Manuals", "Application Manuals", "Installed Manuals" ? I'm not sure [10:01] but I found several CLI application manuals in there [10:01] oh christ [10:01] "Lucky Dip" [10:02]