[12:06] <sivang> raphink: can anyone toss me the link to the "the" debina shared library packaging howto? (I know there is one
[12:06] <sivang>                 repeatedly referenced doc)
[12:07] <raphink> hmmm
[12:07] <raphink> I don't know this link sorry
[12:09] <sivang> raphink: okay, thansk anyways :)
[12:12] <Jobman> sivang, maybe this one http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/column/libpkg-guide/libpkg-guide.html
[12:13] <ajmitch> hi
[12:15] <LaserJock> hi ajmitch
[12:22] <TheMuso> Hey MOTUs.
[12:23] <TheMuso> I know I asked some 8 odd hours ago, but if any MOTUs would mind reviewing Malone bug #38028, that would be great. This package is to be promoted to main, and we (The accessibility team) would like to get this bug fixed before it gets promoted. Thanks in advance.
[12:23] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 38028 in xcursor-themes "Latest source release of xcursor-themes FTBFS" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/38028
[12:28] <ogra> TheMuso, if you dont find someone in the MOTU crew until tomorrow, feel free to assign it to me ...
[12:28] <TheMuso> ogra: Thanks.
[12:28] <ogra> (its quite trivial)
[12:28] <TheMuso> ogra: Yeah I know. I have attached a fix.
[12:28] <ogra> exactly :)
[12:29] <ogra> a great bug for a MOTU wannabee :)
[12:30] <TheMuso> I dunno about a great bug, but yeah.
[12:31] <TheMuso> Considering that seb128 made the last real change to it.
[12:32] <ogra> if you want to become a MOTU you need to prove some packaging work to the TB, its one where a wannabee can trivially easy get a checkmark for one more package ;)
[12:32] <TheMuso> ogra: Yeah I know. Thats my goal.
[12:33] <ogra> :)
[12:39] <wasabi_> Wish I could get some more discussion about ThirdPartyApt going.
[12:39] <wasabi_> Seems like nobody on u-d is really interested.
[12:41] <ogra> its unlikely that it can be considered for dapper, so you have plenty of time
[01:17] <bddebian> Heya folks
[01:18] <TheMuso> Hey bddebian.
[01:18] <ajmitch> ah, bddebian is here
[01:18] <bddebian> Heh, yeah right :-)
[01:18] <bddebian> Heya TheMuso, ajmitch
[03:03] <bddebian> crimsun: You up?
[03:10] <TheMuso> Hey LaserJock.
[03:12] <nictuku> hi all
[03:12] <bddebian> Hello nictuku
[03:12] <LaserJock> hi TheMuso
[03:13] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock, ajmitch
[03:27] <LaserJock> hmmm, mysql is stumping me :(
[03:27] <Se7h> LaserJock SQLite
[03:28] <LaserJock> well, this is on OSX (I'm trying to set up a wiki)
[03:28] <ajmitch> LaserJock: in what way?
[03:29] <ajmitch> ah, OSX
[03:29] <LaserJock> php and apache were a breeze as they are already included in OSX
[03:29] <LaserJock> but I'm having issues setting up mysql. I try to make it secure and then I can't access it (so I guess it is secure) :(
[03:30] <Se7h> LOL
[03:30] <Se7h> sure is
[03:31] <LaserJock> I have to remove it and reboot :/
[03:31] <Se7h> try SQLite
[03:31] <Se7h> well, for a wiki might not be the best choice..
[03:32] <bddebian> Shouldn't XCONFIGDIR be /etc/X11/config ?
[03:36] <Se7h> wb
[03:44] <LaserJock> hmm, I think I'm starting to wrap my brain around this
[03:45] <bddebian> LaserJock: Then you are doing better than me with imake/xmkmf :-(
[03:46] <LaserJock> yikes I had to do a little of that for tightvnc
[03:46] <LaserJock> crimsun gave me the proper things to put in debian/rules but I'm still not sure what I was doing. But it built so ...
[03:48] <bddebian> Well I know what I need to fix (I think) but now dpkg-buildpackage fails
[03:48] <bddebian> I think it's failing on MakeCPU()?
[03:50] <ajmitch> bddebian: so you're back from wandering in the desert now? :)
[03:51] <bddebian> I dunno, I seem to struggle with such simple freakin' things :-(
[03:52] <zakame> hi all
[03:52] <bddebian> Heya zakame :-)
[03:52] <ajmitch> hello zakame
[03:55] <LaserJock> muahahah,  I've got a wiki!
[03:56] <zakame> hello bddebian ajmitch LaserJock :D
[03:56] <zakame> hmmm malone 38009
[03:56] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 38009 in resolvconf "Breezy -> Dapper transition needs proper /etc/resolvconf/run handling" [Normal,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/38009
[04:01] <Se7h> LaserJock \o/
[04:06] <zakame> hey minghua
[04:06] <LaserJock> doh, and only at the bottom of the page do they tell you about http://www.mamp.info/
[04:07] <minghua> hi zakame and LaserJock
[04:07] <LaserJock> hi minghua
[04:07] <minghua> LaserJock: sorry for messing with squeak without discussing with you
[04:08] <LaserJock> well, you are a MOTU you can do whatever you want ;-)
[04:08] <minghua> LaserJock: I thought just touching a .desktop file won't matter much
[04:08] <LaserJock> no, but I was doing a big overhaul, I'm glad you did it though
[04:08] <minghua> yeah, but since I don't know anything about squeak...  anyway I didn't do much harm
[04:09] <LaserJock> no harm at all
[04:09] <LaserJock> I hadn't thought to look at the .desktop and in the end it was fairly important
[04:09] <LaserJock> +1 from me ;-)
[04:13] <LaserJock> jeeze, keybuk be feeling in need of karma. Maybe he say seb128's ;-)
[04:13] <LaserJock> s/be/must be/
[04:13] <LaserJock> s/say/saw/
[04:13] <LaserJock> my spelling sucks tonight
[04:16] <zakame> awww
[04:17] <bddebian> aaaaarrrrggghhh
[04:20] <zakame> wha?
[04:21] <bddebian> This ivtools imake/xmkmf crap is kicking my butt :-(
[04:31] <carthik> Hi I installed streamtuner, on Dapper, and it doesn't show up on the applications menu. Is this a bug? Also, it need xmms (is it a preset in the preferences) and yet it doesn't list xmms as a required package.
[04:38] <LaserJock> oh my goodnes, MAMP rocks hard!
[04:38] <Se7h> banned from ubuntu
[04:39] <Se7h> lmao
[04:39] <LaserJock> you are?
[04:40] <Se7h> * Cannot join #ubuntu (You are banned).
[04:40] <Se7h> i am
[04:40] <tritium> Se7h: for what?
[04:40] <ajmitch> probably the tor ban
[04:40] <Se7h> aparently for clones or spam
[04:40] <Se7h> lol
[04:40] <tritium> no, ajmitch is right
[04:40] <Se7h> yes
[04:40] <Se7h> tor is on
[04:41] <tritium> That's it
[04:41] <Se7h> i didnt read ajmitch
[04:42] <Se7h> why be banned for it?
[04:42] <ajmitch> because too many people abuse it
[04:43] <Se7h> well, ok
[04:43] <carthik> Correction, the streamtuner package includes a .desktop file in /usr/share/applications - but when I installed it, I got nothing
[04:48] <bddebian> Heya tritium!
[04:49] <tritium> Hi bddebian :)
[04:49] <ajmitch> sigh, looks like keybuk really went all out on closing bugs that were 'fix committed' - whether they should be closed or not
[04:50] <bddebian> Fix Committed doesn't close them?
[04:52] <bddebian> carthik: Can you post the contents of gstreamer.desktop to pastebin?
[04:53] <ajmitch> bddebian: no, fix committed does *not* close them fully
[04:53] <ajmitch> fix released does
[04:53] <bddebian> Oh, hmm
[04:53] <carthik> bddebian, it wasn't gstreamer, it was streamtuner. I forced a apt-get install --reinstall and now, suddenly the .desktop file is in /usr/share/applications/ while it wasn't the case earlier.
[04:53] <bddebian> carthik: Ah, OK
[04:53] <bddebian> Now it shows up?
[04:53] <carthik> bddebian, yes it does
[04:54] <bddebian> Great
[04:54] <ajmitch> looks like that package hasn't been touched since breezy, either
[04:55] <bddebian> carthik: ?
[04:55] <bddebian> Err ajmitch ?
[04:55] <ajmitch> bddebian: yes?
[04:55] <bddebian> ajmitch: What package?
[04:55] <ajmitch> streamtuner
[04:55] <bddebian> ahh
[04:59] <carthik> maybe if one of you could try installing it and seeing if it shows up or not - besides it is a wonderful app.
[05:00] <bddebian> What, streamtuner?
[05:02] <bddebian> streamtuner has no .desktop file in the source package
[05:05] <carthik> bddebian?? but it does : http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=streamtuner&version=dapper&arch=i386
[05:06] <LaserJock> I did a dpkg -c on streamtuner_0.99.99-5ubuntu4_i386.deb and it showed a .desktop
[05:06] <ajmitch> bddebian: what you smokin?
[05:07] <ajmitch> it's in data/streamtuner.desktop
[05:07] <Toadstool> hi everybody
[05:07] <ajmitch> hi
[05:08] <carthik> bddebian, maybe you had the same issue I had where the .desktop doesn't get installed for some strange reason.
[05:08] <bddebian> Heya Toadstool
[05:09] <bddebian> I'm looking at the source package
[05:09] <Toadstool> hi ajmitch and bddebian
[05:09] <ajmitch> bddebian: want some glasses? :)
[05:09] <bddebian> Oh, it's desktop.in.. Duh
[05:09] <bddebian> Sometimes I hate find :)
[05:09] <bddebian> ajmitch: See why I shouldn't be here :-)
[05:10] <LaserJock> lol, at least you make some of us feel better ;-)
[05:11] <Toadstool> cool, yesterday i spent about 2 hours to make a package build on amd64 when in fact there's a design flaw which prevents it to work as expected on 64bit archs... :/
[05:11] <LaserJock> Toadstool: which package?
[05:11] <Toadstool> supercollider
[05:11] <LaserJock> lol
[05:11] <bddebian> LaserJock: Gee thanks man
[05:11] <Toadstool> yeah lol ;)
[05:12] <LaserJock> I should have put a note on that. I figured that out last month
[05:12] <LaserJock> you are the 2 person after me
[05:12] <LaserJock> to look at it
[05:12] <Toadstool> haha
[05:13] <LaserJock> bddebian: seriously, it makes me not feel so inept when I see other people struggle sometimes too :-)
[05:14] <bddebian> LaserJock: Well I'm glad I'm of some use :-)
[05:15] <bddebian> crimsun: That really you or just a re-connect?
[05:15] <ajmitch> bddebian: aside from stealing bugs that we're working on? ;)
[05:16] <bddebian> What bug did I steal?
[05:16] <ajmitch> heh
[05:16] <ajmitch> hardly a steal
[05:16] <crimsun> bddebian: really me.
[05:16] <ajmitch> more like one that I was thinking of doing, if I ever got around to it ;)
[05:16] <ajmitch> hello crimsun
[05:16] <LaserJock> bddebian: just think, I were gone for quite a while and you still have more karma than me :-)
[05:16] <crimsun> lo ajmitch, LaserJock, bddebian
[05:17] <ajmitch> LaserJock: he has more karma than anyone
[05:17] <LaserJock> s/I/you/
[05:17] <bddebian> crimsun: Heya.  Did you look anymore at ivtools.  I seem to have really jacked mine up :-(
[05:17] <bddebian> ajmitch: I've only got like 5K
[05:17] <LaserJock> yeah, but that is because he is on like practically every LP team there is ;-)
[05:18] <ajmitch> LaserJock: there's no way we can keep up anyway
[05:18] <ajmitch> time for me to retire :)
[05:18] <bddebian> I am?
[05:18] <bddebian> Gnight ajmitch
[05:19] <bddebian> I'm not even a member according to LP
[05:19] <ajmitch> huh? gnight??
[05:19] <bddebian> Oh, by retire I thought you meant going to bed :)
[05:19] <crimsun> bddebian: not yet, just left work
[05:20] <ajmitch> bddebian: nah
[05:22] <ajmitch> bddebian: I mean do something else
[05:22] <bddebian> Ah
[05:30] <bddebian> Heh
[05:30] <ajmitch> at least I get paid for it :)
[05:30] <ajmitch> bbl
[05:31] <bddebian> Later ajmitch
[05:32] <nictuku> bddebian, hi, do you remember when I mentioned I needed someone to test nwu?
[05:32] <nictuku> if you or anyone around care to see if it's working fine.. please follow https://dev.ubuntubrasil.org/trac/nwu/wiki/DownloadNwu
[05:33] <nictuku> if there are no show stoppers I'll call for testers in the server list
[05:46] <bddebian> crimsun: OK, got it to build this time but now I forgot what I was looking for?? :-)
[05:47] <bddebian> nictuku: I probably can't get to it tonight but I'll see if I can check it out
[05:48] <nictuku> thanks
[05:48] <nictuku> please report your results to yves@cetico.org
[05:48] <nictuku> well good night all
[05:48] <bddebian> Gnight nictuku
[05:53] <bddebian> Damnit, XCONFIGDIR has GOT to be wrong
[06:07] <ajmitch> well, large lab today, a whole 8 students
[06:08] <bddebian> heh
[06:08] <LaserJock> what class?
[06:09] <ajmitch> network management
[06:09] <ajmitch> a fancy title for setting up stuff on linux, eg dns, dhcp, apache :)
[06:14] <Toadstool> somehow my daily job as a students' network admin, dealing with old, badly written servers configs and trying to make the whole thing work... :/
[06:14] <ajmitch> heh
[06:20] <Se7h> ignorant question
[06:21] <Se7h> where can i check for RFP and ITP ?
[06:21] <Toadstool> Se7h: http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/
[06:22] <Se7h> ty
[06:22] <Toadstool> ;)
[06:24] <bddebian> Oh well, gnight folks
[07:25] <phanatic> hi people
[07:25] <lucas> hi
[07:27] <wasabi__> So... I've got this spec on launchpad, and it's sort of something which, if implemented successfully, would require fairly good "support" from ubuntu. Is it suitable for proposing on teh technicalboardagenda, or should I wait awhile and try to drum up discussion or something?
[07:44] <zakame> huhu
[07:45] <Toadstool> heya zakame
[07:46] <phanatic> hey zakame :)
[07:47] <chillywilly> lalalala
[07:48] <zakame> hello Toadstool
[07:48] <zakame> hi phanatic
[07:56] <zakame> malone 3442 : this would be a candidate for UVF/FF exception, no?
[07:56] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 3442 in praat "hangs on startup" [Major,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/3442
[09:14] <ajmitch> crap, xephyr is segfault-happy on amd64
[09:17] <ajmitch> I wonder if there's a newer upstream version..
[10:23] <Yagisan> G'day all
[10:24] <ajmitch> good evening Yagisan
[10:25] <ajmitch> how's it going?
[10:26] <Yagisan> ajmitch: still restoring my box. need to get japanese input working again now, then rebuild my pbuilder setups. Noticed you are on TeamUbuntu @ FAH
[10:27] <ajmitch> yeah
[10:27] <ajmitch> recently joined
[10:27] <ajmitch> I don't think I've passed you yet, have I? :)
[10:28] <Yagisan> ajmitch: not yet, but I lost 4 days + the works units I was crunching, so I'm about to take a big dip
[10:28] <ajmitch> since I've got 2 cores here & 1 laptop going
[10:28] <Yagisan> ajmitch: I just have my firewall (k7) and ltsp server (amd64) crunching.
[10:28] <Yagisan> ajmitch: everything else was just too slow
[10:29] <ajmitch> yeah
[10:29] <ajmitch> slowest core I have running is 2GHz
[10:29] <Yagisan> ajmitch: that's my fastest!
[10:29] <ajmitch> I haven't revived my old athlon xp box yet
[10:30] <ajmitch> my amd64 is dual-core 2.2GHz
[10:30] <Yagisan> nice
[10:30] <ajmitch> yeah
[10:30] <ajmitch> building packages is nice & fast
[10:30] <Yagisan> I wish I had the cash for a dual core box
[10:30] <ajmitch> especially with the RAID 0 seutp
[10:30] <ajmitch> setup
[10:30] <Yagisan> how many disks ?
[10:30] <ajmitch> 3
[10:31] <ajmitch> just cheap 250GB 7200RPM SATA disks
[10:31] <Yagisan> ajmitch: bench ?
[10:31] <ajmitch> bonnie++ reports write speeds of ~100MB/sec
[10:31] <ajmitch> for block I/O
[10:32] <ajmitch> read speeds were similar, iirc
[10:32] <Yagisan> ajmitch: about the same as mine then, but I have 1 pata, 2 sata
[10:32] <ajmitch> right
[10:33] <Yagisan> 8mb cache ?
[10:33] <ajmitch> yeah
[10:33] <Yagisan> yep. sweet
[10:33] <ajmitch> but the other 2 are 120 & 160GB PATA drives from my old box
[10:33] <Yagisan> I have the space (and power supply), but sadly not the funds (yet)
[10:34] <ajmitch> yeah
[10:34] <Yagisan> but I'll need a 2.6.16 kernel for my last PATA interface
[10:34] <ajmitch> the month over in brisbane funded this
[10:34] <ajmitch> why do you need that?
[10:34] <Yagisan> because I dodn't see drivers for it in .15
[10:35] <ajmitch> odd
[10:37] <Yagisan> ajmitch: some ite chip, that works as either normal pata or fake raid
[10:37] <ajmitch> ok
[10:39] <ajmitch> software raid is more flexible
[10:39] <ajmitch> so what happened to your box that you had to restore it?
[10:39] <Yagisan> ajmitch: I upgraded to dapper
[10:39] <ajmitch> that's usually not a problem :)
[10:40] <Yagisan> ajmitch: and gconf2 didn't like it
[10:40] <ajmitch> strange
[10:40] <Yagisan> it hung on install
[10:40] <ajmitch> you filed bugs on it?
[10:40] <Yagisan> and left the system unable to upgrade or downgrade
[10:40] <ajmitch> so that dholbach can jump for joy at the sight of more bugs?
[10:41] <Yagisan> ajmitch: ah no. I've had working net access for about a day now
[10:41] <ajmitch> ok
[10:41] <ajmitch> for this box I ended up doing a fresh install from the flight 5 disk
[10:41] <Yagisan> ajmitch: your logs probally have me moaning about it on Saturday
[10:41] <ajmitch> since I felt like starting afresh for the first time since pre-woody
[10:42] <Yagisan> I did a fresh install from flight 6
[10:42] <ajmitch> I thought I might as well have an amd64 install
[10:42] <Yagisan> seem ok, but I seem to have forgotton how to turn on scim
[10:42] <ajmitch> bug minghua
[10:42] <Yagisan> ajmitch: so, how do you like 64bit ?
[10:43] <ajmitch> it lets me use all my RAM
[10:43] <ajmitch> apart from that there's little visible difference
[10:43] <Yagisan> ajmitch: sure there is. no crappy flash ads :)
[10:43] <ajmitch> haha yeah
[10:44] <ajmitch> and I come across fun amd64 bugs
[10:44] <ajmitch> still a few universe packages that just don't build or work cleanly
[10:45] <Yagisan> ajmitch: yeah, I know. usually segfault on start
[10:46] <ajmitch> looks like hobbsee had a hard day
[10:47] <Hobbsee|BrainDea> ajmitch: i had a rotten maths assignment
[10:47] <ajmitch> oh?
[10:47] <Hobbsee> and now i'm being asked questions, and i dont remember the answers lol
[10:48] <ajmitch> ouch
[10:48] <ajmitch> doesn't sound good :)
[10:48] <Hobbsee> hehe yeah
[10:49] <Hobbsee> like "where's seamonkey?"
[10:51] <TheMuso> ok so thats why silc-toolkit has not gone through.
[10:51] <ajmitch> yes
[10:51] <TheMuso> ajmitch: I'll look at it. SOmehow thats my screw-up.
[10:51] <ajmitch> because the upload is broken :)
[10:52] <TheMuso> how?
[10:52] <ajmitch> that's what I'm looking at
[10:53] <TheMuso> I somehow think this goes beyond my fix however.
[10:54] <ajmitch> yes
[10:54] <ajmitch> there are some other serious issues with this one
[10:54] <ajmitch> cp -R ./tutorial /usr
[10:54] <ajmitch> cp: cannot create directory `/usr/tutorial': Permission denied
[10:54] <ajmitch> bad bad thing
[10:55] <ajmitch> 3 RC bugs in debian
[10:55] <ajmitch> ok, package built
[10:55] <TheMuso> Funny how you think it is a quick fix, and you don't bother to look elsewhere. :)
[10:55] <ajmitch> 2 of the RC bugs being that the packages are empty ;)
[10:55] <TheMuso> Ah right.
[10:56] <ajmitch> I'd hope that the package was checked after build, before being uploaded
[10:56] <TheMuso> In debian you mean?
[10:56] <TheMuso> or ubuntu?
[10:56] <Yagisan> hmm, wasn't there a patch for pbuilder to use unionfs around here somewhere
[10:57] <ajmitch> TheMuso: in both
[10:57] <TheMuso> yeah true that.
[10:57] <Gloubiboulga> on the MOTU ML Yagisan
[10:57] <TheMuso> We live and learn. :)
[10:57] <ajmitch> especially in ubuntu, since that's what we're trying to fix
[10:57] <TheMuso> I don't mind saying I screwed up.
[10:58] <TheMuso> Hopefully that will change over time.
[10:58] <Yagisan> Gloubiboulga: thanks. Haven't finished restoring that yet.
[10:58] <ajmitch> ok, will try & rebuild this again :)
[10:58] <ajmitch> at least this box is fast at building now :)
[10:59] <Gloubiboulga> Yagisan, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2006-March/000583.html :)
[10:59] <TheMuso> BUt cbf.
[11:00] <ajmitch> I should NMU it in debian or something
[11:00] <Yagisan> Gloubiboulga: thank you
[11:02] <ajmitch> ok, built again
[11:03] <ajmitch> ok, they are there, wonderful
[11:03] <TheMuso> ajmitch: WHat needed changing?
[11:06] <ajmitch> renaming the .install files
[11:06] <TheMuso> ah right.
[11:06] <ajmitch> a proper fix will be to change control.sh as well to rename them on SONAME change
[11:07] <TheMuso> Right.
[11:09] <ajmitch> TheMuso: btw your fix could have been done juust by syncing the last debian package across
[11:10] <ajmitch> http://packages.qa.debian.org/s/silc-toolkit/news/20060206T220503Z.html
[11:10] <TheMuso> ajmitch: I wasn't sure where we stood on syncs from debian at this stage.
[11:10] <ajmitch> it's not a new upstream version
[11:10] <TheMuso> Right.
[11:12] <Gloubiboulga> On which package should I file a bug about a keyboard issue?
[11:12] <Gloubiboulga> I can't use shift keys with the be layout
[11:27] <Hobbsee> oh my goodness...hehe
[11:28] <ajmitch> heh
[11:28] <ajmitch> multi-hobbsee
[11:28] <Hobbsee> hehe
[11:29] <ajmitch> leaving us already?
[11:29] <Hobbsee> anymore of them?
[11:29] <Hobbsee> not that i know of, but we've been having trouble, and i'm wrestling with the phone
[11:29] <ajmitch> we can't handle too many
[11:29] <Hobbsee> hehe
[11:34] <JohnnyMast> 1 day to wait ...
[11:40] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: more tripple vision..
[11:40] <TheMuso> heh
[11:42] <ajmitch> Hobbsee just can't bear to be away from us :)
[11:42] <Hobbsee> hehe
[11:42] <Hobbsee> no, i think i got them all...
[11:43] <Hobbsee> that was rather impressive though hehe - getting *that* many ghosts!
[11:47] <zakame> hi all
[11:47] <JohnnyMast> hi man :)
[11:47] <zakame> heya JohnnyMast ! long time no see
[11:47] <JohnnyMast> i wass here all the time :)
[11:47] <JohnnyMast> but bussy heh
[11:48] <JohnnyMast> how r u doing man ?
[11:48] <ajmitch> scary, an accelerometer patch for f-spot - tile your laptop & rotate your photos :)
[11:48] <zakame> here grabbing flight 6 while busiying myself with malone
[11:48] <ajmitch> s/tile/tilt
[11:49] <Hobbsee> hey zakame - from 1 hobbsee, instead of 3!
[11:49] <zakame> Hobbsee: LOL
[11:50] <JohnnyMast> flight 6 is the release version ?
[11:50] <JohnnyMast> or not
[11:50] <Gloubiboulga> hey zakame
[11:50] <zakame> hello Gloubiboulga
[11:51] <JohnnyMast> i still run flight 1 with a huge dist-upgrade :)
[11:51] <Gloubiboulga> zakame, I've uploaded a new libtranslate package on REVU, could you have a look at it when you got time?
[11:51] <zakame> JohnnyMast: just released last friday
[11:51] <zakame> Gloubiboulga: yeah just saw it
[11:51] <JohnnyMast> ave@ubuntu:~$ cat /etc/issue
[11:51] <JohnnyMast> Ubuntu 6.06 "Dapper Drake" Development Branch \n \l
[11:51] <JohnnyMast> rave@ubuntu:~$
[11:51] <JohnnyMast> zakame yeah but will be it tomorrows version ?
[11:51] <ajmitch> JohnnyMast: yes, dapper is still in development
[11:51] <ajmitch> flight 6 is one of a set of prereleases
[11:52] <JohnnyMast> yeah but it will be out tomorrow right
[11:52] <zakame> ajmitch: are we looking forward to a flight 7, or dapper preview?
[11:52] <ajmitch> ?
[11:52] <JohnnyMast> release of dapper
[11:52] <ajmitch> JohnnyMast: no
[11:52] <TheMuso> JohnnyMast: Dapper has been delayed.
[11:53] <ajmitch> even if dapper had not been delayed, the release date was april 20
[11:53] <JohnnyMast> why motu was going so well on dapper
[11:53] <ajmitch> now it's june 1st
[11:53] <JohnnyMast> make it 16th of june :)
[11:53] <JohnnyMast> my birthday
[11:53] <ajmitch> zakame: not sure if another flight release will be there before beta release
[11:53] <ajmitch> unlikely, with beta release in 2 weeks
[11:54] <zakame> ajmitch: ooh!
[11:54] <ajmitch> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseSchedule
[11:54] <JohnnyMast> zakme can you link ne to the flight folder
[11:55] <zakame> w.u.c/DapperFlight6
[11:55] <JohnnyMast> ajmitch what will the release name after dapper
[11:55] <ajmitch> I don't know
[11:55] <TheMuso> JohnnyMast: I don't think anybody knows yet.
[11:55] <Hobbsee> when does it get announced?
[11:56] <ajmitch> when they feel like it
[11:56] <Hobbsee> right
[11:58] <zakame> hmm malone 38009 , where art thou?  I thought you thou hast fixed thyself?
[11:58] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 38009 in resolvconf "Breezy -> Dapper transition needs proper /etc/resolvconf/run handling" [Normal,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/38009
[12:01] <zakame> Gloubiboulga: the Conflicts is still there
[12:01] <zakame> there's also a control.save
[12:01] <Gloubiboulga> yep, I forgot to remove the conflict line...
[12:02] <Gloubiboulga> and the control.save too
[12:10] <zakame> ok
[12:11] <Gloubiboulga> my previous package was really horrible :p
[12:11] <zakame> hehe I think we all go through that phase ;)
[12:13] <Gloubiboulga> zakame, if you don't see other issues i can upload a cleaned package on REVU
[12:13] <zakame> Gloubiboulga: nothing other than those two atm :)
[12:14] <Gloubiboulga> ok
[12:14] <Gloubiboulga> hmm.. I can remove dpatch from B-D too, I use simple-patchsys now
[12:15] <zakame> rock
[12:32] <Gloubiboulga> zakame, libtra,slate is reuploaded, waiting for the cron job
[12:32] <zakame> ok
[12:32] <zakame> bah, I'm an idiotwith malone 33362
[12:32] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 33362 in resolvconf "Runtime directory does not exist during /etc/rcS1.d/08loopback setup" [Normal,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/33362
[12:33] <zakame> postinst creates the /var/run, only to be destroyed upon reboot :/
[12:33] <zakame> s#/var/run#/var/run/resolvconf#
[12:36] <ajmitch> therefore the initscript must create it iff it doesn't exist
[12:37] <Toadstool> yep, another /var/run-is-on-a-tmpfs issue ;)
[12:38] <ajmitch> lots
[12:38] <Toadstool> we should ask the launchpad team to add an advanced search for that kind of bugs :D
[12:38] <Toadstool> +option
[12:39] <zakame> ajmitch: exactly
[12:42] <zakame> Gloubiboulga: justbuilt, looks nice
[12:43] <Gloubiboulga> thanks zakame
[12:44] <zakame> shall I upload, or will other revu-wers concur? =)
[12:45] <Gloubiboulga> I don't know, it's a bug fix :)
[12:45] <Gloubiboulga> but the package is almost new with all the changes
[12:48] <zakame> I'll be back later :) I'll prolly upload then
[12:51] <Gloubiboulga> ls
[12:51] <Gloubiboulga> arg, wrong window
[12:53] <dradul> HI, I just installed esmtp-run and noticed that it is linked with openssl 0.9.7 instead of 0.9.8 as used in dapper. Although the source package is registered in Malone, there is no bug tracker! Where do I report this (in my mind) bug?
[12:56] <Gloubiboulga> dradul, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/esmtp/+bugs might be what you're looking for
[12:57] <dradul> Gloubiboulga, hmmm, couldn't find it...
[12:59] <dradul> Well, that's done. ;-)
[01:01] <dradul> OK. Now, I need someone to confirm bug #38163 ;-)
[01:01] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 38163 in esmtp "Dapper binaries are linked agains old openssl libraries." [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/38163
[01:13] <kelmo_lap> hi
[01:42] <ajmitch> wb again :)
[01:42] <Hobbsee> ty
[01:42] <Hobbsee> there arent 3, this time.  again :)
[01:43] <Hobbsee> ooh, new kernel
[02:12] <at1as> Anyone got a clue about making POSTFIX and CYRUS use SASLAUTHD?
[02:33] <viviersf> hmmmmf i just found a weird error in the smb tools :(
[02:33] <viviersf> sigh
[02:57] <zakame> evening MOTUs
[03:44] <phanatic> hi people
[03:55] <Gloubiboulga> hey phanatic
[03:55] <phanatic> hi Gloubiboulga :)
[04:06] <bddebian> Morning gang
[04:08] <Yagisan> G'day bddebian
[04:09] <bddebian> Heya Yagisan.  How goes the battle? :-)
[04:10] <Yagisan> bddebian: restoring data now. need to rebuild my pbuilder setups, and convince dapper to print (es-gsp is broke), and get scim to work (either user error, or it doesn't work out of the box)
[04:10] <phanatic> hey bddebian
[04:11] <bddebian> Hello phanatic
[04:18] <bddebian> Heya zakame
[04:19] <zakame> hello bddebian!
[04:21] <carthik> The streamtuner package has a couple of "plugins" that throw errors at startup and don't work. Is this a bug worth reporting?
[04:22] <bddebian> carthik: All bugs are worth reporting IMO
[04:22] <carthik> oh it's been reported. sorry to disturb you guys.
[04:22] <bddebian> Don't let it happen again ;-P
[04:22] <carthik> bddebian, i should have checked before asking here, not "While asking here" -- my bad!
[04:23] <bddebian> No worries, I'm kidding :-)
[04:23] <zakame> my bad
[04:23] <carthik> bddebian, can I assign that bug to the motu team?
[04:24] <bddebian> carthik: Yes, if streamtuner is in Universe, which I assume it is
[04:25] <carthik> bddebian, assigned to "MOTU". Thanks.
[04:26] <phanatic> hi zakame :)
[04:26] <zakame> hello phanatic
[04:47] <Yagisan> zakame: need help >:)
[04:47] <Yagisan> ;)
[04:47] <zakame> Yagisan: sure, I need to get better bandwidth
[04:48] <Yagisan> zakame: your talking to the wrong guy. even kiwis like ajmitch have better bandwidth then what I get here
[04:49] <zakame> Yagisan: awww
[06:16] <dooglus_> what do the motu-uvf team do?
[06:17] <jpatrick> manage UVF exceptions I guess
[07:12] <Tonio_> hello all
[07:12] <bddebian> Hello Tonio_
[09:00] <siretart> dholbach: how do you submit a bug with 2 attachments in the first email?
[09:01] <dholbach> actions in malone now get batched up for 5 minutes
[09:01] <dholbach> and then a mail is sent
[09:20] <ajmitch> morning
[09:20] <dholbach> hey ajmitch
[09:20] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[09:20] <bddebian> ajmitch: Wanna help me? :-)
[09:21] <ajmitch> bddebian: with what?
[09:21] <bddebian> ivtools :-)
[09:21] <ajmitch> bddebian: no
[09:21] <bddebian> ajmitch: Thanks honey
[09:32] <cbx33> evenin all....
[09:33] <bddebian> Hello cbx33
[09:34] <cbx33> hi bddebian
[09:35] <ogra> cbx33, wants to become a MOTU ... please point him in the right directions :)
[09:36] <cbx33> way to drop me in at the deep end ogra :p
[09:38] <dholbach> cbx33: nice to hear that
[09:38] <dholbach> anything you're interested in?
[09:38] <cbx33> well, I figure I keep arsing around with little projects here and there...I should pool all my resources together into one place
[09:38] <cbx33> www.silentkeystroke.co.uk
[09:38] <cbx33> I do a bit of everything
[09:38] <bddebian> You sound like me :-)
[09:38] <cbx33> but I'm looking to hone my skills in certain areas
[09:39] <dholbach> if you'Re interested in make the world turn again, you're absolutely right here :)
[09:39] <cbx33> well....I'm a committed guy
[09:39] <cbx33> I work hard
[09:39] <cbx33> no point in doing anything otherwise
[09:40] <dholbach> we're in the final phase for this release cycle so we're mostly fixing things up at the moment
[09:40] <cbx33> yeh i see that
[09:40] <dholbach> the list in the topic lists all the open bugs for Universe and Multiverse
[09:40] <cbx33> well....I can be a genral dogsbody too if that'll help
[09:40] <cbx33> if you have jobs of that type
[09:41] <dholbach> does somebody have that unmet-dep-list url somehwere?
[09:41] <bddebian> I was wondering where/if there was one too
[09:41] <cbx33> it's gonna be a steep learning curve but that never stopped me before....
[09:41] <dholbach> apt-cache -i unmet     lists a bunch of packages that are not installable
[09:41] <dholbach> those mostly require just a rebuild
[09:41] <dholbach> but it's testing and ... :)
[09:42] <cbx33> i had to start using linux because the job i went to they'd never used it...but their web server was runing it.....so i took the plunge and reformatted my works pc with linux
[09:42] <dholbach> those are easy things to get started with
[09:42] <cbx33> :p
[09:42] <cbx33> excellent
[09:43] <dholbach> and the bugs can be easy too
[09:43] <dholbach> most of them lack information like "which version is breaking for you, how does it break, ..." - so that's worthwhile too
[09:43] <cbx33> ok cool
[09:43] <dholbach> if you look at the wiki - we link to a couple of pages which have information on tools, things to look at, etc :)
[09:43] <dholbach> but just ask
[09:44] <cbx33> ok excellent - I'll check it out now
[09:44] <cbx33> thanks dholbach
[09:44] <dholbach> rock'n'roll
[09:44] <dholbach> it's great to have you here
[09:44] <cbx33> this is the first place I've asked if they need help that they've actually responded well
[09:44] <cbx33> wow thanx dholbach :p
[09:44] <dholbach> :-)
[09:44] <cbx33> you're probably gonna be flooded with questions :p
[09:44] <dholbach> hehe
[09:44] <cbx33> nah...j/k I try and sort as much as I can out by myself first :p
[09:45] <dholbach> don't worry :)
[09:45] <LaserJock> yeah, we all have questions ;-)
[09:45] <dholbach> LaserJock: thanks for the PR for me on the forums :-p
[09:45] <LaserJock> did you read it?
[09:46] <dholbach> LaserJock: ogra told me about it
[09:46] <LaserJock> oh :-)
[09:46] <ogra> dholbach, he just told the truth :)
[09:47] <cbx33> do you guys use VM's for testing stuff
[09:47] <dholbach> you guys do lots of hours in here too :)
[09:47] <LaserJock> I think it is good to sometimes let the users know what the devs do and how hard they work for the community
[09:47] <dholbach> cbx33: i mostly use pbuilder for building stuff, but don't use VMs
[09:47] <cbx33> ok
[09:47] <dholbach> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto is GoodStuff (tm)
[09:48] <Toadstool> g'night
[09:48] <cbx33> dholbach, yah just found that
[09:49] <cbx33> dholbach, do you have a dapper base image then?  or are you using dapper as your main machine?
[09:49] <cbx33> told you there'd be a few questions
[09:49] <jpatrick> ToadZzZztool: night
[09:49] <LaserJock> cbx33: http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html might help as well
[09:49] <cbx33> thanx
[09:51] <LaserJock> cbx33: do you have dapper installed?
[09:51] <cbx33> not as yet
[09:52] <LaserJock> ok, fine. I was just going to say that if you did, that Packaging Guide is included in the help
[09:53] <cbx33> ah i see
[09:53] <LaserJock> jpatrick: asap, the deadline is like today ;-)
[09:53] <cbx33> so how would you recommed going
[09:54] <cbx33> install dapper as base machine
[09:54] <cbx33> or stick with breezy for now?
[09:54] <jpatrick> LaserJock: oh dear
[09:55] <LaserJock> cbx33: well I'd recommend it with a "if it causes problems don't blame me" disclaimer :-)
[09:55] <LaserJock> I've been running Dapper for months without any real problems
[09:55] <cbx33> ok
[09:56] <cbx33> see....and donl;t shout at me here...I've been waiting to get rid of fedora with earnest on my home machine
[09:56] <cbx33> I'm ubuntu everywhere else
[09:56] <dholbach> wooohoo
[09:56] <dholbach> guys, i'm out for something to eat
[09:56] <LaserJock> no shouting here, I'm typing from OSX as we speak ;-)
[09:56] <dholbach> see you later
[09:56] <cbx33> fedora sux
[09:56] <cbx33> :p
[09:56] <cbx33> i've had enough
[09:56] <Gloubiboulga> bon apptit dholbach
[09:57] <dholbach> merci beaucoup, monsieur Gloubiboulga
[09:57] <Gloubiboulga> :)
[09:58] <bddebian> Later dholbach
[09:58] <cbx33> bye dholbach
[09:58] <cbx33> thanx for the hep
[09:59] <dholbach> de rien
[10:09] <bddebian> cbx33: You can fix ivtools/mxv for me :)
[10:14] <LaserJock> bddebian: that's right, catch them when they are young an innocent ;-)
[10:14] <Gloubiboulga> hehe
[10:14] <LaserJock> Gloubiboulga: you have up on texmaker in Debian?
[10:15] <LaserJock> s/have/gave/
[10:15] <Gloubiboulga> LaserJock, someone is taking care of this
[10:15] <LaserJock> I know, I told them to email you ;-)
[10:15] <Gloubiboulga> ok :)
[10:16] <bddebian> LaserJock: :-)
[10:18] <Gloubiboulga> LaserJock, bddebian has uploaded the package of the new release in dapper btw
[10:19] <LaserJock> you guys think there would be any interest in a packaging book for Ubuntu?
[10:20] <cbx33> bddebian, what's the deadline :p
[10:20] <cbx33> LaserJock, speaking as a packaging n00b YES
[10:21] <LaserJock> cbx33: even if it wasn't free. It would be cheap (just the cost of the actual printing) but not free
[10:22] <Gloubiboulga> oh, a "real" book
[10:22] <cbx33> LaserJock, yup
[10:22] <LaserJock> Gloubiboulga: yes
[10:22] <bddebian> cbx33: 30minutes :-)
[10:23] <Gloubiboulga> I really like books :)
[10:23] <cbx33> bddebian, seeing as I'm still on fedora at this moment
[10:23] <cbx33> I don;t think I'll have the time :p
[10:25] <bddebian> Heh, No problem, I'm only kidding :-)
[10:25] <Gloubiboulga> LaserJock, sounds like a good idea to me
[10:25] <LaserJock> hmm, cool
[10:26] <LaserJock> I like the idea of a community created, published packaging book
[10:28] <cbx33> very good idea
[10:35] <cbx33> nn all
[10:35] <cbx33> I'll be back
[10:35] <cbx33> you can count on it :p
[10:38] <Gloubiboulga> I'm off too... cu
[10:39] <truz24> LaserJock, i woner if canonical has thought about such a book
[10:40] <LaserJock> truz24: there is an Official Ubuntu book almost finished
[10:41] <truz24> i see
[10:51] <andrewski> greets.  i'm trying to narrow down a gaim bug.  can someone type my nick?
[10:53] <LaserJock> andrewski: fine
[10:53] <andrewski> LaserJock: excellent, thank you. :)
[10:53] <andrewski> easiest.  bug test.  ever.
[10:58] <Jobman> Hey MOTUs, someone willing to review Bug 38093?
[10:58] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 38093 in enigmail-locales "unmet dep" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/38093
[11:14] <bddebian> Well, time to go drink later folks
[11:23] <jaldhar> what time is minghua usually on IRC?
[11:28] <LaserJock> jaldhar: hmm, hard to say. Seems like he is one a far bit in the evenings UTC-7ish :-)
[11:41] <TheMuso> Hey MOTUs.
[11:41] <LaserJock> hi TheMuso
[11:54] <jaldhar> G0SUB: as of yesterdays update, skim has started working properly for Gujarati and Hindi atleast.  Can you check it for Bengali and any other languages you know?
[11:54] <G0SUB> jaldhar: in sid?
[11:54] <jaldhar> LaserJock: thanks for the info.  I'll try and catch him later
[11:55] <jaldhar> G0SUB: in dapper.  I have to build an updated skim package for sid
[11:55] <G0SUB> jaldhar: okay, will test ... is it fixed for SCIM too? or just SKIM?
[11:56] <jaldhar> G0SUB: afaik scim was always working.  skim had problems with Indic languages
[11:56] <G0SUB> well, scim-m17n was broken for some time ...
[11:57] <G0SUB> may be it still is
[11:57] <jaldhar> G0SUB: it still might be.  I need to talk to minghua about that.  But I got the phonetic and inscript keymaps from scim-tables-additional to work
[11:58] <G0SUB> jaldhar: yeah that worked ... but suddenly it stopped working at all
[12:00] <jaldhar> G0SUB: it never worked for me.  But it does now.
[12:00] <G0SUB> ok