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kwwii | night all | 12:32 |
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jjesse | mornfall: ping? | 01:57 |
jjesse | i see that Add/Remove Programs does not support managing repositories, will it? | 01:59 |
robotgeek | jjesse: i asked him yesterday, he said no | 02:06 |
robotgeek | not until v 2.0 | 02:06 |
jjesse | gack, trying to explain when to use add/remove programs and when to use adept | 02:07 |
robotgeek | jjesse: :) | 02:07 |
jjesse | what is the license on mp3 playback? example libxine-extracodecs | 02:16 |
mornfall | jjesse: hmm? | 02:18 |
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jjesse | mornfall: will i be able to manage repositores from add/remove programs? | 02:18 |
mornfall | jjesse: i think robotgeek already asked | 02:18 |
mornfall | jjesse: answer is no, we are deep in feature freeze -- it's not possible now so it won't be | 02:19 |
jjesse | mornfall: ok, i'm just tyring to figure out how to explain when to use adept and when to use add/remove progrmas | 02:19 |
mornfall | jjesse: (adding a menu entry to be able to call the current adept repo manager could do -- but the repo manager is far from intuitive, i'm afraid) | 02:19 |
jjesse | mornfall: so if you were writing a book for new users how would you recomend managing the repos? | 02:20 |
jjesse | editing the file sources.list? | 02:20 |
mornfall | jjesse: the adept manager works when you have docs | 02:20 |
mornfall | jjesse: it's not intuitive => hard to use *without* docs | 02:20 |
mornfall | jjesse: if it's documented, it shouldn't be hard | 02:20 |
mornfall | jjesse: most of what you do is: 1) enable/disable repos that are already there (context menu on deb lines) 2) add new repos by cut&paste | 02:21 |
jjesse | mornfall: that is what i mention just thinking out loud i guess | 02:22 |
mornfall | jjesse: the latter may be even intuitive, the former needs the user to right-click the right line | 02:22 |
mornfall | jjesse: i'll redo the interface after dapper | 02:22 |
mornfall | jjesse: (the repo management one) | 02:22 |
mornfall | other than that, i'll go and sleep now | 02:23 |
mornfall | got to get up early | 02:23 |
mornfall | night | 02:23 |
jjesse | mornfall: thanks for responding have a good night | 02:23 |
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allee | maybe someone feel like testing http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/tmp/digikam_0.8.1+0.8.2-beta1-0_i386.deb, built from not yet annouced http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/tmp/src-only/digikam-0.8.2-beta1.tar.bz2. (Debian dir at pkg-kde alioth repo) | 03:25 |
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verwilst | hi | 09:16 |
verwilst | could yakuake be upgraded? | 09:16 |
Hobbsee | hey verwilst | 09:16 |
verwilst | the current version always crashes on exit | 09:16 |
verwilst | hi Hobbsee | 09:17 |
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freeflying | verwilst: you'd ask for UVFe | 09:22 |
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verwilst | yip | 09:22 |
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Hobbsee | hehe | 09:32 |
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Hobbsee | that's even worse than what ended up happening with me yesterday! | 09:32 |
verwilst | wgat's that? | 09:33 |
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Hobbsee | just joins and parts - adn 3 clones - repeatedly, for around 5 mins | 09:33 |
Hobbsee | not as long as enfact_'s though | 09:33 |
verwilst | :) | 09:35 |
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freeflying | there will be a distro based upon kubuntu dapper by the creator of mandrake | 11:12 |
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Lathiat | wasnt april 1st a week ago now? :) | 11:12 |
freeflying | Lathiat: no , I have confirmed it | 11:13 |
freeflying | I'm basing the first release of Ulteo on latest Kubuntu (6.0x). Using | 11:13 |
freeflying | either Knoppix installer or Espresso (no standard install). | 11:13 |
freeflying | Gal. | 11:14 |
freeflying | Riddell: ping | 11:14 |
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Riddell | freeflying: yeah, I'm in contact with Gael | 11:27 |
freeflying | Riddell: as qt is upgrade to 3.3.6, so need scim-qtimm recompile against it | 11:28 |
Riddell | freeflying: ok, anything else or just scim-qtimm? | 11:39 |
Tm_T | :) | 11:40 |
Tm_T | nice flood | 11:40 |
freeflying | Riddell: i meet some crashes with konqueror and kopete , all about libqscim.so | 11:41 |
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hendry | Riddell: I can't get skim going : | 12:33 |
Riddell | hendry: maybe because scim-qtimm needs recompiled | 12:35 |
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hunger | Anyone adapted the koffice RC to the new mysql already? | 12:35 |
Riddell | hendry: no, but koffice final will be out soon enough | 12:35 |
hunger | Riddell: Will that end up in universe or in some of the more obscure repositories? | 12:36 |
Riddell | hunger: same as the RCs I'll put them on kubuntu.org and if it's stable I'll ask for an upstream version freeze exception | 12:38 |
hunger | Riddell: I keep forgetting that deb line:-( Is it documented somewhere? | 12:38 |
Riddell | kubuntu.org/announcements | 12:39 |
hunger | Riddell: Will koffice-latest work? Then I won't need to keep editing sources.list. | 12:41 |
Riddell | hunger: yes | 12:44 |
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raphink | Sime: are you there? | 01:18 |
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freeflying | anyone can tell me whom shall I ask for the ubuntu logo's license | 03:18 |
Riddell | freeflying: http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/TrademarkPolicy/ | 03:21 |
hendry | kdm doesn't depend on x-window-core. charming | 03:21 |
freeflying | Riddell: thx | 03:22 |
raphink | hendry: what was that supposed to mean? | 03:24 |
hendry | i apt-get install kdm thinking that it will pull in X | 03:24 |
raphink | I don't see why | 03:25 |
raphink | if you only put kdm | 03:25 |
raphink | you have no window-manager | 03:25 |
raphink | hence you don't need X | 03:25 |
raphink | installing a window-manager should pull in X rather | 03:25 |
raphink | actually ... | 03:27 |
raphink | x-window-system-core is installed by either kde or kubuntu-desktop | 03:28 |
raphink | hendry: note that's it the same for other DMs | 03:28 |
raphink | installing gdm won't have x-window-system-core pulled in | 03:29 |
raphink | iirc | 03:29 |
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jeroenvrp | twinkle twinkle twinkle :-) | 05:44 |
jeroenvrp | works great | 05:44 |
jeroenvrp | I have the new version 0.6.2 | 05:44 |
jeroenvrp | in the dapper repo ts 0.4.2 | 05:45 |
jeroenvrp | any change 0.6.* will become available? | 05:45 |
Riddell | jeroenvrp: of what? | 05:45 |
jeroenvrp | Riddell: of Twinkle | 05:45 |
jeroenvrp | 0.6.2 has kaddressbook-integration | 05:46 |
Riddell | never heard of it | 05:46 |
Riddell | jeroenvrp: but please do package an update and ask for an UVFe | 05:46 |
jeroenvrp | Riddell: sorry I dont know how to package an update yet | 05:50 |
Riddell | jeroenvrp: perfect time to learn :) | 05:50 |
Riddell | jeroenvrp: seriously, go to #ubuntu-motu and someone will help you through it | 05:50 |
Riddell | else poke people in here | 05:50 |
jeroenvrp | Riddell: If I have the time | 06:07 |
jeroenvrp | but thanks for your time | 06:07 |
jeroenvrp | :_) | 06:07 |
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kmon | Hi | 06:26 |
kmon | amarok1.4 beta conflicts with libmysqlclient15 | 06:27 |
kmon | anyone else has this behaviour? | 06:27 |
Riddell | there's a new libmysql in dapper | 06:28 |
kmon | yes | 06:30 |
kmon | aptitude reports: | 06:31 |
kmon | amarok: Depende: libmysqlclient15 (>= 5.0.15-1) pero no es instalable | 06:31 |
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danimo | moin | 06:32 |
Riddell | kmon: I don't have time to fix it I'm afraid | 06:33 |
Riddell | moin danimo | 06:33 |
kmon | Riddell: ok | 06:33 |
Riddell | kmon: but you can recompile it yourself easy enough | 06:34 |
danimo | Riddell: still looking for networkmanager-openvpn plugins | 06:35 |
danimo | Riddell: I can't find any arguments on why they haven been included | 06:35 |
danimo | haven't | 06:35 |
Riddell | danimo: they're part of network manager rather than knetworkmanager yes? | 06:36 |
danimo | Riddell: yes, no special rant at you, I am just looking for someone to ask | 06:37 |
danimo | Riddell: sorry if it looked like it | 06:37 |
Riddell | danimo: dude to ask in that case is keybuk on #ubuntu-devel | 06:37 |
Riddell | it didn't look like it, I just didn't know | 06:37 |
danimo | ok | 06:37 |
danimo | Riddell: thanks | 06:37 |
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Riddell | ah pef | 06:45 |
pef | hello Jonathan | 06:45 |
Riddell | jeroenvrp here just had a request for a package update | 06:45 |
pef | and the package is ? and what about universe freeze ? | 06:46 |
Riddell | twinkle | 06:47 |
Riddell | I'm just passing on the message :) | 06:47 |
pef | thanks :) | 06:52 |
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Sime | raphink: pong | 07:34 |
raphink | Sime: wow that was fast :) | 07:35 |
raphink | how are you? | 07:35 |
Sime | yeah ok, running dapper on my 'workstation' now | 07:35 |
raphink | Sime: I can't activate dualscreen in the display module | 07:36 |
raphink | the box is greyed | 07:36 |
Sime | how many screens to you see on the hardware tab? | 07:37 |
raphink | just one | 07:38 |
Sime | then it hasn't detected that you've got a dualhead machine. | 07:40 |
Sime | do you have a dualhead capable machne? | 07:40 |
raphink | Sime: yes it's a laptop | 07:50 |
raphink | with a screen wire on the side | 07:50 |
Sime | yes, but does it support dualhead? | 07:50 |
raphink | how do you mean? | 07:50 |
Sime | can you have two monitors connected showing two screens? (xinerama) | 07:51 |
raphink | I have no idea, but I guess | 07:51 |
raphink | so | 07:51 |
raphink | well I'd even like to have the same thing on both monitors | 07:51 |
raphink | and I can't get that | 07:52 |
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Sime | have you still got that guidance_report_bug.py program around? | 07:56 |
raphink | yse | 07:56 |
raphink | yes | 07:56 |
raphink | Sime: what's your email again? | 07:57 |
Sime | simon@simonzone.com | 07:57 |
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Flosoft | hey | 07:58 |
Flosoft | after the last update in Kubuntu Dapper amarok doesn't work anymore | 07:59 |
Flosoft | it was uninstalled and now I can't get it back | 07:59 |
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Tonio_ | hey ;) | 08:07 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: ping ? | 08:07 |
raphink | yop Tonio_ | 08:07 |
Tonio_ | lut raphinou | 08:07 |
raphink | argh les spams MS qui fusent | 08:08 |
Tonio_ | raphink: tu sais si Riddell a parl du probleme d'antialiasing ? | 08:08 |
raphink | nope | 08:08 |
Tonio_ | c un truc de ouf non ? | 08:08 |
raphink | je sais pas | 08:08 |
Tonio_ | commentle fichier dans le rep de k-d-s peut tre diffrent de celui du packet......... | 08:08 |
raphink | j'ai pas suivi | 08:08 |
Tonio_ | je capte pas...... | 08:08 |
Tonio_ | raphink: simply | 08:09 |
Tonio_ | whe you boot on the live cd | 08:09 |
Tonio_ | raphink: what this file : /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/config/kdeglobals | 08:09 |
Tonio_ | and compare to the one in the k-d-s package | 08:09 |
Tonio_ | it is COMPLETLY different | 08:09 |
raphink | where does it come from then? | 08:09 |
Tonio_ | and that's the reason antialiasing doesn't work | 08:09 |
Tonio_ | raphink: absolutly no idea........ | 08:10 |
raphink | ok | 08:10 |
raphink | this only happens on the live CD though | 08:10 |
Tonio_ | raphink: and the mose surprusing is that if it came from anyther package, k-d-s should be uninstalable | 08:10 |
Tonio_ | raphink: I don't think this is only with the live cd | 08:10 |
raphink | indeed | 08:10 |
Tonio_ | Riddell told me he had the problem with a native flight 6 installation | 08:10 |
raphink | well if its the live CD, it might have been modified just before the image was done | 08:11 |
raphink | ah! | 08:11 |
Tonio_ | raphink: only Riddell could have the response, since he the only one who really knows how are the isos built | 08:11 |
raphink | no | 08:11 |
raphink | mithrandir made flight 6 iirc | 08:11 |
Tonio_ | raphink: and ? | 08:12 |
raphink | well he's the one knnowing about this one | 08:12 |
Tonio_ | raphink: well, maybe that will be different with flight 7 | 08:12 |
Tonio_ | but I doubt...... | 08:12 |
Tonio_ | and why THIS file specificly ? | 08:12 |
raphink | no idea | 08:12 |
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Tm_T | Riddell: ping | 08:38 |
Tm_T | or whoever who knows about recent wallpaper amusement | 08:39 |
Sime | raphink: do you have an example of a xorg.conf file that works on your machine *and* uses the vga out? | 08:48 |
raphink | hmm no | 08:48 |
raphink | :( | 08:49 |
raphink | I c an't get it to work | 08:49 |
Sime | raphink: has it ever worked? | 09:00 |
raphink | not on my machine at least Sime | 09:00 |
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Sime | does anyone here have a laptop and know if having vga out can also be used for a dualhead (xinerama) setup? | 09:01 |
klugez | i think most laptop graphic cards don't support anything else than cloning | 09:05 |
klugez | at least mine doesn't seem to (not in windows either) | 09:06 |
Sime | ok, | 09:13 |
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kwwii | howdy | 09:35 |
kwwii | Riddell: I received a mail from Jane about the Usplash so I took care of that today | 09:35 |
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Riddell | kwwii: have they chosen a design? | 09:40 |
kwwii | Riddell: well, until now I made the simple logo but they wanted to try a glow around it, and the text black (my version had white text but that "breaks the logo") | 09:41 |
Tm_T | hmm | 09:42 |
Tm_T | http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/644712 | 09:42 |
Riddell | kwwii: did you work out any plan for squashing the logo to make it look better with 400 stretched to 480? | 09:42 |
Tm_T | whatta | 09:42 |
kwwii | Riddell: to be honest, I will simply prescale the thing | 09:42 |
kwwii | Riddell: and I really hope that that works well | 09:43 |
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kwwii | but prescaling a pic with so few colors and such might simply be the worst way to do things | 09:43 |
kwwii | I mean, the logo is only 250x65 pixels | 09:43 |
kwwii | we'll see.... | 09:43 |
kwwii | :-) | 09:43 |
kwwii | I am trying to be positive about this :-) | 09:44 |
Riddell | yeah, I know you an usplash don't always get on so well | 09:44 |
Riddell | trouble with scaling it is that on powerpc and the like with real framebuffers it doesn't get scaled | 09:45 |
kwwii | exactly, so someone else will have to test it | 09:45 |
kwwii | I have three macs at home :-) | 09:45 |
kwwii | owning macs is the best way to drastically reduce questions from my wife and son about the computer -the standard answer is "nope, it's a mac" | 09:50 |
jjesse | are there min. specifics someplace for installing kubuntu? | 10:18 |
jjesse | both server and desktop version of kubuntu? | 10:19 |
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Riddell | jjesse: e-mail silbs to see what she's going with | 10:33 |
Riddell | jane.silber@canonical.com | 10:33 |
Riddell | she's on holiday next week though so do it tonight | 10:33 |
jjesse | doing it right now thankss | 10:36 |
Tonio_ | re | 10:37 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: did you saw my messages concerning the antialiasing error | 10:37 |
Tonio_ | ? | 10:37 |
Riddell | Tonio_: this morning yes | 10:37 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: and what do you think about that ? weired isn't it ? | 10:38 |
Riddell | Tonio_: the kdegloabs file in /usr/share/k-d-s is the same as in k-d-s package for me | 10:38 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: with a live cd ? | 10:38 |
Riddell | yes | 10:40 |
Riddell | what's missing? | 10:40 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: the content is completly different, let me show you | 10:40 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: http://pastebin.com/644849 | 10:41 |
Tonio_ | this is the kdeblogals file I have in /usr/share/k-d-s | 10:41 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: I replaced with the one in the package and restarted kde, and antialiasing then works | 10:42 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: amazing no ? the content is COMPLETLY different | 10:42 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: I thought about that all the day and cannot find any possibility for the file to be modified lie that....... | 10:43 |
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Riddell | this is what I have http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/644858 | 10:44 |
Tonio_ | this is the file I have on a live flight 6, no update performed, nothing, simply on boot | 10:44 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: and does antialiasing work for you ? | 10:44 |
Riddell | nope | 10:44 |
Tonio_ | actually | 10:44 |
Tonio_ | hum........ impossible....... what's that mess ? | 10:44 |
Tonio_ | how can I get that file ? | 10:45 |
Tonio_ | in my case, copying the k-d-s file resolved the issue, restarting kde and got antialiased fonts........ | 10:45 |
robotgeek | Riddell: we are shipping kde 3.5.2 with dapper? | 10:46 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: rebooting on the live cd to see if I'm crazy or not | 10:46 |
Riddell | robotgeek: yes | 10:46 |
robotgeek | Riddell: awesome :) | 10:47 |
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ubuntu | ok | 10:51 |
ubuntu | Riddell: I m with the live cd | 10:51 |
Tonio- | copy/pasting the kdeglobals file | 10:52 |
Tonio- | Riddell: I now got the same file than you............. | 10:54 |
Tonio- | I spent 1 hour on this I don t understand................. | 10:54 |
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Tonio- | Riddell: ok now 5for an unknown reason I see the sa;e than you | 11:01 |
Riddell | it's certainly spooky | 11:01 |
Tonio- | you may think that I'm crazy, but I'm certain of the file I got yesterday, cause it is a valid kdeglobals file.......... | 11:02 |
Tonio- | and I never used an opensuse livecd.............. | 11:03 |
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Tonio- | Riddell: the strange point is that antialiasing fonts is checked in systemsettings.............. | 11:04 |
Tonio- | uncheck and recheck corrects the issue | 11:04 |
Riddell | that sets ~/.fonts.conf doesn't it? | 11:05 |
Tonio- | but whe I diff .kde after the resolution is applyied, I don't see anything concerning fonts............; that's incredible | 11:05 |
Tonio- | Riddell: that rewrites a few things in kdeglobals too | 11:05 |
Tonio- | like font settings etc.......... | 11:05 |
Tonio- | let me diff | 11:05 |
Riddell | yes, it sets fonts.conf | 11:07 |
Riddell | +[General] | 11:08 |
Riddell | +XftHintStyle=hintmedium | 11:08 |
Riddell | +XftSubPixel= | 11:08 |
Riddell | I don't think those are it, but possible | 11:08 |
kmon | Riddell: kopete's gethotnewstuff support is working well here. | 11:08 |
Tonio- | Riddell: you're right, removing .fonts.conf recreates the problem for me | 11:10 |
Tonio- | no antialiasing here.........; | 11:10 |
Tonio- | Riddell: it seems that the .fonts.conf file is the key :) | 11:12 |
Tonio- | Riddell: no way to set that with k-d-s, but I can patch kdestart like I did with gtk-qt-engine | 11:12 |
Tonio- | Riddell: want to make the test ? | 11:12 |
Tonio- | Riddell: but that means kde changed it's way to work on that point, cause fonts.conf file wasn't creating any issue before......... | 11:13 |
Riddell | yes, fontconfig hasn't changed | 11:14 |
Riddell | it's strange | 11:14 |
Tonio- | Riddell: as far as I know, kde was taking it's font config in kdeglobals before, am I wrong ? | 11:15 |
Riddell | well it has always used fontconfig before as well | 11:16 |
Tonio- | Riddell: but when ~/.fonts.conf isn't set, where is it supposed to take the font configuration ? | 11:16 |
Tonio- | and the antialias setting ? | 11:16 |
Riddell | /etc/fonts | 11:17 |
Tonio- | Riddell: yes, but as the parameters are in kdeglobals font too, I assume one of the two files is prior | 11:18 |
Tonio- | Riddell: priority changed due to a bug in kde 3.5.2 or something ? | 11:18 |
Tonio- | I must say I'm a bit lost.... | 11:19 |
Riddell | I don't see the parameters in kdeglobals | 11:19 |
Riddell | only Xfthintstyle | 11:19 |
Tonio- | Riddell: which is the level of antialiasing right ? | 11:20 |
Tonio- | Riddell: maybe there is a bug which causes kde to read the ~/.fonts.conf file, but ignores the /etc/fonts/fonts.conf one ? | 11:20 |
Tonio- | if this file didn't change, maybe it isn't read at all | 11:21 |
Tonio- | Riddell: do you know a way to monitor or log when a file is opened by a process ? could be usefull to monitor the /etc file | 11:22 |
Tonio- | I don't know a way to do that with linux, only windows......... | 11:22 |
Riddell | strace | 11:23 |
Riddell | settings xfthintstyle dosn't make anything antialised | 11:23 |
Riddell | /etc/fonts/fonts.conf is read as well, you can copy the parts of ~/.fonts.conf into it and it'll still work | 11:23 |
Tonio- | Riddell: okay | 11:23 |
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Tonio_ | Riddell: no pb on my desktop with .fonts.conf removed in my profile | 11:30 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: that's *very* strange.... | 11:31 |
Riddell | Tonio_: what is your desktop installed from? | 11:37 |
Riddell | Tonio_: he's a bug you might be interested in :) https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/meta-kde/+bug/37149 | 11:37 |
Ubugtu | Malone bug 37149 in meta-kde kde ""Breaking glass" default critical error sound KILLS GRANDMOTHERS!" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed] | 11:37 |
Tm_T | =) | 11:38 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: my desktop is a flight 4 upgraded, with kde 3.5.2 | 11:38 |
Tm_T | and what's the bug part =) | 11:38 |
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Tonio_ | and it works correctly without any .fonts.conf file | 11:38 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: but I don't see any difference in /etc/fonts/fonts.conf.... | 11:39 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: To complicated for me this time :) | 11:39 |
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Tm_T | again | 11:39 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: hahaha ;) yes breaking glass is a pain, I will change this | 11:40 |
Tm_T | Tonio_: I thought it's meant to cause pain | 11:40 |
Tm_T | so user do his best to not to end up having those =) | 11:40 |
Tonio_ | Tm_T: lol | 11:41 |
Tm_T | but yeah, any wallpaper suggestions welcome | 11:42 |
Riddell | Tonio_: can you send me the /etc/fonts directory on your desktop? | 11:43 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: sure :) | 11:43 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: you should have the mail | 11:51 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: concerning the differences in kdeglobals, is appears I switched the ~ and the /usr/share/k-d-s one.......... | 11:51 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: shame on me..... that's why I had that difference.... | 11:51 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: hard to be concentrated with girlfriend at home buging me every 2 seconds hehe :) | 11:52 |
Riddell | yep, no difference in font directories | 11:53 |
Tm_T | aah, oldschool | 11:54 |
Tm_T | http://patti.smurffi.net/vt420.jpg | 11:54 |
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