[12:32] <kwwii> time for bed
[12:32] <kwwii> night all
[01:57] <jjesse> mornfall: ping?
[01:59] <jjesse> i see that Add/Remove Programs does not support managing repositories, will it?
[02:06] <robotgeek> jjesse: i asked him yesterday, he said no
[02:06] <robotgeek> not until v 2.0
[02:07] <jjesse> gack, trying to explain when to use add/remove programs and when to use adept
[02:07] <robotgeek> jjesse: :)
[02:16] <jjesse> what is the license on mp3 playback? example libxine-extracodecs
[02:18] <mornfall> jjesse: hmm?
[02:18] <jjesse> mornfall: will i be able to manage repositores from add/remove programs?
[02:18] <mornfall> jjesse: i think robotgeek already asked
[02:19] <mornfall> jjesse: answer is no, we are deep in feature freeze -- it's not possible now so it won't be
[02:19] <jjesse> mornfall: ok, i'm just tyring to figure out how to explain when to use adept and when to use add/remove progrmas
[02:19] <mornfall> jjesse: (adding a menu entry to be able to call the current adept repo manager could do -- but the repo manager is far from intuitive, i'm afraid)
[02:20] <jjesse> mornfall: so if you were writing a book for new users how would you recomend managing the repos?
[02:20] <jjesse> editing the file sources.list?
[02:20] <mornfall> jjesse: the adept manager works when you have docs
[02:20] <mornfall> jjesse: it's not intuitive => hard to use *without* docs
[02:20] <mornfall> jjesse: if it's documented, it shouldn't be hard
[02:21] <mornfall> jjesse: most of what you do is: 1) enable/disable repos that are already there (context menu on deb lines) 2) add new repos by cut&paste
[02:22] <jjesse> mornfall: that is what i mention just thinking out loud i guess
[02:22] <mornfall> jjesse: the latter may be even intuitive, the former needs the user to right-click the right line
[02:22] <mornfall> jjesse: i'll redo the interface after dapper
[02:22] <mornfall> jjesse: (the repo management one)
[02:23] <mornfall> other than that, i'll go and sleep now
[02:23] <mornfall> got to get up early
[02:23] <mornfall> night
[02:23] <jjesse> mornfall: thanks for responding have a good night
[03:25] <allee> maybe someone feel like testing http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/tmp/digikam_0.8.1+0.8.2-beta1-0_i386.deb, built from not yet annouced http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/tmp/src-only/digikam-0.8.2-beta1.tar.bz2.  (Debian dir at pkg-kde alioth repo)
[09:16] <verwilst> hi
[09:16] <verwilst> could yakuake be upgraded?
[09:16] <Hobbsee> hey verwilst 
[09:16] <verwilst> the current version always crashes on exit
[09:17] <verwilst> hi Hobbsee
[09:22] <freeflying> verwilst: you'd ask for UVFe
[09:22] <verwilst> yip
[09:32] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:32] <Hobbsee> that's even worse than what ended up happening with me yesterday!
[09:33] <verwilst> wgat's that?
[09:33] <Hobbsee> just joins and parts - adn 3 clones - repeatedly, for around 5 mins
[09:33] <Hobbsee> not as long as enfact_'s though
[09:35] <verwilst> :)
[11:12] <freeflying> there will be a distro based upon kubuntu dapper by the creator of mandrake 
[11:12] <Lathiat> wasnt april 1st a week ago now? :)
[11:13] <freeflying> Lathiat: no , I have confirmed it 
[11:13] <freeflying> I'm basing the first release of Ulteo on latest Kubuntu (6.0x). Using 
[11:13] <freeflying> either Knoppix installer or Espresso (no standard install).
[11:14] <freeflying> Gal.
[11:14] <freeflying> Riddell: ping 
[11:27] <Riddell> freeflying: yeah, I'm in contact with Gael
[11:28] <freeflying> Riddell: as qt is upgrade to 3.3.6, so need scim-qtimm recompile against it 
[11:39] <Riddell> freeflying: ok, anything else or just scim-qtimm?
[11:40] <Tm_T> :)
[11:40] <Tm_T> nice flood
[11:41] <freeflying> Riddell: i meet some crashes with konqueror and kopete , all about libqscim.so
[12:33] <hendry> Riddell: I can't get skim going :
[12:35] <Riddell> hendry: maybe because scim-qtimm needs recompiled
[12:35] <hunger> Anyone adapted the koffice RC to the new mysql already?
[12:35] <Riddell> hendry: no, but koffice final will be out soon enough
[12:36] <hunger> Riddell: Will that end up in universe or in some of the more obscure repositories?
[12:38] <Riddell> hunger: same as the RCs I'll put them on kubuntu.org and if it's stable I'll ask for an upstream version freeze exception
[12:38] <hunger> Riddell: I keep forgetting that deb line:-( Is it documented somewhere?
[12:39] <Riddell> kubuntu.org/announcements
[12:41] <hunger> Riddell: Will koffice-latest work? Then I won't need to keep editing sources.list.
[12:44] <Riddell> hunger: yes
[01:18] <raphink> Sime: are you there?
[03:18] <freeflying> anyone can tell me whom shall I ask for the ubuntu logo's license
[03:21] <Riddell> freeflying: http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/TrademarkPolicy/
[03:21] <hendry> kdm doesn't depend on x-window-core. charming
[03:22] <freeflying> Riddell: thx
[03:24] <raphink> hendry: what was that supposed to mean?
[03:24] <hendry> i apt-get install kdm thinking that it will pull in X
[03:25] <raphink> I don't see why
[03:25] <raphink> if you only put kdm
[03:25] <raphink> you have no window-manager
[03:25] <raphink> hence you don't need X
[03:25] <raphink> installing a window-manager should pull in X rather
[03:27] <raphink> actually ...
[03:28] <raphink> x-window-system-core is installed by either kde or kubuntu-desktop
[03:28] <raphink> hendry: note that's it the same for other DMs
[03:29] <raphink> installing gdm won't have x-window-system-core pulled in
[03:29] <raphink> iirc
[05:44] <jeroenvrp> twinkle twinkle twinkle :-)
[05:44] <jeroenvrp> works great
[05:44] <jeroenvrp> I have the new version 0.6.2
[05:45] <jeroenvrp> in the dapper repo ts 0.4.2
[05:45] <jeroenvrp> any change 0.6.* will become available?
[05:45] <Riddell> jeroenvrp: of what?
[05:45] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: of Twinkle
[05:46] <jeroenvrp> 0.6.2 has kaddressbook-integration
[05:46] <Riddell> never heard of it
[05:46] <Riddell> jeroenvrp: but please do package an update and ask for an UVFe
[05:50] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: sorry I dont know how to package an update yet
[05:50] <Riddell> jeroenvrp: perfect time to learn :)
[05:50] <Riddell> jeroenvrp: seriously, go to #ubuntu-motu and someone will help you through it
[05:50] <Riddell> else poke people in here
[06:07] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: If I have the time
[06:07] <jeroenvrp> but thanks for your time
[06:07] <jeroenvrp> :_)
[06:26] <kmon> Hi
[06:27] <kmon> amarok1.4 beta conflicts with libmysqlclient15
[06:27] <kmon> anyone else has this behaviour?
[06:28] <Riddell> there's a new libmysql in dapper
[06:30] <kmon> yes
[06:31] <kmon> aptitude reports:
[06:31] <kmon> amarok: Depende: libmysqlclient15 (>= 5.0.15-1) pero no es instalable
[06:32] <danimo> moin
[06:33] <Riddell> kmon: I don't have time to fix it I'm afraid
[06:33] <Riddell> moin danimo 
[06:33] <kmon> Riddell: ok
[06:34] <Riddell> kmon: but you can recompile it yourself easy enough
[06:35] <danimo> Riddell: still looking for networkmanager-openvpn plugins
[06:35] <danimo> Riddell: I can't find any arguments on why they haven been included
[06:35] <danimo> haven't
[06:36] <Riddell> danimo: they're part of network manager rather than knetworkmanager yes?
[06:37] <danimo> Riddell: yes, no special rant at you, I am just looking for someone to ask
[06:37] <danimo> Riddell: sorry if it looked like it
[06:37] <Riddell> danimo: dude to ask in that case is keybuk on #ubuntu-devel
[06:37] <Riddell> it didn't look like it, I just didn't know
[06:37] <danimo> ok
[06:37] <danimo> Riddell: thanks
[06:45] <Riddell> ah pef 
[06:45] <pef> hello Jonathan
[06:45] <Riddell> jeroenvrp here just had a request for a package update
[06:46] <pef> and the package is ? and what about universe freeze ?
[06:47] <Riddell> twinkle
[06:47] <Riddell> I'm just passing on the message :)
[06:52] <pef> thanks :)
[07:34] <Sime> raphink: pong
[07:35] <raphink> Sime: wow that was fast :)
[07:35] <raphink> how are you?
[07:35] <Sime> yeah ok, running dapper on my 'workstation' now
[07:36] <raphink> Sime: I can't activate dualscreen in the display module
[07:36] <raphink> the box is greyed
[07:37] <Sime> how many screens to you see on the hardware tab?
[07:38] <raphink> just one
[07:40] <Sime> then it hasn't detected that you've got a dualhead machine.
[07:40] <Sime> do you have a dualhead capable machne?
[07:50] <raphink> Sime: yes it's a laptop 
[07:50] <raphink> with a screen wire on the side
[07:50] <Sime> yes, but does it support dualhead?
[07:50] <raphink> how do you mean?
[07:51] <Sime> can you have two monitors connected showing two screens? (xinerama)
[07:51] <raphink> I have no idea, but I guess
[07:51] <raphink> so
[07:51] <raphink> well I'd even like to have the same thing on both monitors
[07:52] <raphink> and I can't get that
[07:56] <Sime> have you still got that guidance_report_bug.py program around?
[07:56] <raphink> yse
[07:56] <raphink> yes
[07:57] <raphink> Sime: what's your email again?
[07:57] <Sime> simon@simonzone.com
[07:58] <Flosoft> hey
[07:59] <Flosoft> after the last update in Kubuntu Dapper amarok doesn't work anymore
[07:59] <Flosoft> it was uninstalled and now I can't get it back
[08:07] <Tonio_> hey ;)
[08:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping ?
[08:07] <raphink> yop Tonio_
[08:07] <Tonio_> lut raphinou
[08:08] <raphink> argh les spams MS qui fusent
[08:08] <Tonio_> raphink: tu sais si Riddell a parl du probleme d'antialiasing ?
[08:08] <raphink> nope
[08:08] <Tonio_> c un truc de ouf non ?
[08:08] <raphink> je sais pas
[08:08] <Tonio_> commentle fichier dans le rep de k-d-s peut tre diffrent de celui du packet.........
[08:08] <raphink> j'ai pas suivi
[08:08] <Tonio_> je capte pas......
[08:09] <Tonio_> raphink: simply
[08:09] <Tonio_> whe you boot on the live cd
[08:09] <Tonio_> raphink: what this file : /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/config/kdeglobals
[08:09] <Tonio_> and compare to the one in the k-d-s package
[08:09] <Tonio_> it is COMPLETLY different
[08:09] <raphink> where does it come from then?
[08:09] <Tonio_> and that's the reason antialiasing doesn't work
[08:10] <Tonio_> raphink: absolutly no idea........
[08:10] <raphink> ok
[08:10] <raphink> this only happens on the live CD though
[08:10] <Tonio_> raphink: and the mose surprusing is that if it came from anyther package, k-d-s should be uninstalable
[08:10] <Tonio_> raphink: I don't think this is only with the live cd
[08:10] <raphink> indeed
[08:10] <Tonio_> Riddell told me he had the problem with a native flight 6 installation
[08:11] <raphink> well if its the live CD, it might have been modified just before the image was done
[08:11] <raphink> ah!
[08:11] <Tonio_> raphink: only Riddell could have the response, since he the only one who really knows how are the isos built
[08:11] <raphink> no
[08:11] <raphink> mithrandir made flight 6 iirc
[08:12] <Tonio_> raphink: and ?
[08:12] <raphink> well he's the one knnowing about this one
[08:12] <Tonio_> raphink: well, maybe that will be different with flight 7
[08:12] <Tonio_> but I doubt......
[08:12] <Tonio_> and why THIS file specificly ?
[08:12] <raphink> no idea
[08:38] <Tm_T> Riddell: ping
[08:39] <Tm_T> or whoever who knows about recent wallpaper amusement
[08:48] <Sime> raphink: do you have an example of a xorg.conf file that works on your machine *and* uses the vga out?
[08:48] <raphink> hmm no
[08:49] <raphink> :(
[08:49] <raphink> I c an't get it to work
[09:00] <Sime> raphink: has it ever worked?
[09:00] <raphink> not on my machine at least Sime
[09:01] <Sime> does anyone here have a laptop and know if having vga out can also be used for a dualhead (xinerama) setup?
[09:05] <klugez> i think most laptop graphic cards don't support anything else than cloning
[09:06] <klugez> at least mine doesn't seem to (not in windows either)
[09:13] <Sime> ok,
[09:35] <kwwii> howdy
[09:35] <kwwii> Riddell: I received a mail from Jane about the Usplash so I took care of that today
[09:40] <Riddell> kwwii: have they chosen a design?
[09:41] <kwwii> Riddell: well, until now I made the simple logo but they wanted to try a glow around it, and the text black (my version had white text but that "breaks the logo")
[09:42] <Tm_T> hmm
[09:42] <Tm_T> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/644712
[09:42] <Riddell> kwwii: did you work out any plan for squashing the logo to make it look better with 400 stretched to 480?
[09:42] <Tm_T> whatta
[09:42] <kwwii> Riddell: to be honest, I will simply prescale the thing 
[09:43] <kwwii> Riddell: and I really hope that that works well
[09:43] <kwwii> but prescaling a pic with so few colors and such might simply be the worst way to do things
[09:43] <kwwii> I mean, the logo is only 250x65 pixels
[09:43] <kwwii> we'll see....
[09:43] <kwwii> :-)
[09:44] <kwwii> I am trying to be positive about this :-)
[09:44] <Riddell> yeah, I know you an usplash don't always get on so well
[09:45] <Riddell> trouble with scaling it is that on powerpc and the like with real framebuffers it doesn't get scaled
[09:45] <kwwii> exactly, so someone else will have to test it
[09:45] <kwwii> I have three macs at home :-)
[09:50] <kwwii> owning macs is the best way to drastically reduce questions from my wife and son about the computer -the standard answer is "nope, it's a mac"
[10:18] <jjesse>  are there min. specifics someplace for installing kubuntu?
[10:19] <jjesse> both server and desktop version of kubuntu?
[10:33] <Riddell> jjesse: e-mail silbs to see what she's going with
[10:33] <Riddell> jane.silber@canonical.com
[10:33] <Riddell> she's on holiday next week though so do it tonight
[10:36] <jjesse> doing it right now thankss
[10:37] <Tonio_> re
[10:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: did you saw my messages concerning the antialiasing error
[10:37] <Tonio_> ?
[10:37] <Riddell> Tonio_: this morning yes
[10:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: and what do you think about that ? weired isn't it ?
[10:38] <Riddell> Tonio_: the kdegloabs file in /usr/share/k-d-s is the same as in k-d-s package for me
[10:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: with a live cd ?
[10:40] <Riddell> yes
[10:40] <Riddell> what's missing?
[10:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: the content is completly different, let me show you
[10:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://pastebin.com/644849
[10:41] <Tonio_> this is the kdeblogals file I have in /usr/share/k-d-s
[10:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: I replaced with the one in the package and restarted kde, and antialiasing then works
[10:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: amazing no ? the content is COMPLETLY different
[10:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: I thought about that all the day and cannot find any possibility for the file to be modified lie that.......
[10:44] <Riddell> this is what I have http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/644858
[10:44] <Tonio_> this is the file I have on a live flight 6, no update performed, nothing, simply on boot
[10:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: and does antialiasing work for you ?
[10:44] <Riddell> nope
[10:44] <Tonio_> actually
[10:44] <Tonio_> hum........ impossible....... what's that mess ?
[10:45] <Tonio_> how can I get that file ?
[10:45] <Tonio_> in my case, copying the k-d-s file resolved the issue, restarting kde and got antialiased fonts........
[10:46] <robotgeek> Riddell: we are shipping kde 3.5.2 with dapper?
[10:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: rebooting on the live cd to see if I'm crazy or not
[10:46] <Riddell> robotgeek: yes
[10:47] <robotgeek> Riddell: awesome :)
[10:51] <ubuntu> ok
[10:51] <ubuntu> Riddell: I m with the live cd
[10:52] <Tonio-> copy/pasting the kdeglobals file
[10:54] <Tonio-> Riddell: I now got the same file than you.............
[10:54] <Tonio-> I spent 1 hour on this I don t understand.................
[11:01] <Tonio-> Riddell: ok now 5for an unknown reason I see the sa;e than you
[11:01] <Riddell> it's certainly spooky
[11:02] <Tonio-> you may think that I'm crazy, but I'm certain of the file I got yesterday, cause it is a valid kdeglobals file..........
[11:03] <Tonio-> and I never used an opensuse livecd..............
[11:04] <Tonio-> Riddell: the strange point is that antialiasing fonts is checked in systemsettings..............
[11:04] <Tonio-> uncheck and recheck corrects the issue
[11:05] <Riddell> that sets ~/.fonts.conf doesn't it?
[11:05] <Tonio-> but whe I diff .kde after the resolution is applyied, I don't see anything concerning fonts............; that's incredible
[11:05] <Tonio-> Riddell: that rewrites a few things in kdeglobals too
[11:05] <Tonio-> like font settings etc..........
[11:05] <Tonio-> let me diff
[11:07] <Riddell> yes, it sets fonts.conf
[11:08] <Riddell> +[General] 
[11:08] <Riddell> +XftHintStyle=hintmedium
[11:08] <Riddell> +XftSubPixel=
[11:08] <Riddell> I don't think those are it, but possible
[11:08] <kmon> Riddell: kopete's gethotnewstuff support is working well here.
[11:10] <Tonio-> Riddell: you're right, removing .fonts.conf recreates the problem for me
[11:10] <Tonio-> no antialiasing here.........;
[11:12] <Tonio-> Riddell: it seems that the .fonts.conf file is the key :)
[11:12] <Tonio-> Riddell: no way to set that with k-d-s, but I can patch kdestart like I did with gtk-qt-engine
[11:12] <Tonio-> Riddell: want to make the test ?
[11:13] <Tonio-> Riddell: but that means kde changed it's way to work on that point, cause fonts.conf file wasn't creating any issue before.........
[11:14] <Riddell> yes, fontconfig hasn't changed
[11:14] <Riddell> it's strange
[11:15] <Tonio-> Riddell: as far as I know, kde was taking  it's font config in kdeglobals before, am I wrong ?
[11:16] <Riddell> well it has always used fontconfig before as well
[11:16] <Tonio-> Riddell: but when ~/.fonts.conf isn't set, where is it supposed to take the font configuration ?
[11:16] <Tonio-> and the antialias setting ?
[11:17] <Riddell> /etc/fonts
[11:18] <Tonio-> Riddell: yes, but as the parameters are in kdeglobals font too, I assume one of the two files is prior
[11:18] <Tonio-> Riddell: priority changed due to a bug in kde 3.5.2 or something ?
[11:19] <Tonio-> I must say I'm a bit lost....
[11:19] <Riddell> I don't see the parameters in kdeglobals
[11:19] <Riddell> only Xfthintstyle
[11:20] <Tonio-> Riddell: which is the level of antialiasing right ?
[11:20] <Tonio-> Riddell: maybe there is a bug which causes kde to read the ~/.fonts.conf file, but ignores the /etc/fonts/fonts.conf one ?
[11:21] <Tonio-> if this file didn't change,  maybe it isn't read at all
[11:22] <Tonio-> Riddell: do you know a way to monitor or log when a file is opened by a process ? could be usefull to monitor the /etc file
[11:22] <Tonio-> I don't know a way to do that with linux, only windows.........
[11:23] <Riddell> strace
[11:23] <Riddell> settings xfthintstyle dosn't make anything antialised
[11:23] <Riddell> /etc/fonts/fonts.conf is read as well, you can copy the parts of ~/.fonts.conf into it and it'll still work
[11:23] <Tonio-> Riddell: okay
[11:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: no pb on my desktop with .fonts.conf removed in my profile
[11:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's *very* strange....
[11:37] <Riddell> Tonio_: what is your desktop installed from?
[11:37] <Riddell> Tonio_: he's a bug you might be interested in :) https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/meta-kde/+bug/37149
[11:37] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 37149 in meta-kde kde ""Breaking glass" default critical error sound KILLS GRANDMOTHERS!" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]  
[11:38] <Tm_T> =)
[11:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: my desktop is a flight 4 upgraded, with kde 3.5.2
[11:38] <Tm_T> and what's the bug part =)
[11:38] <Tonio_> and it works correctly without any .fonts.conf file
[11:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: but I don't see any difference in /etc/fonts/fonts.conf....
[11:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: To complicated for me this time :)
[11:39] <Tm_T> again
[11:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: hahaha ;) yes breaking glass is a pain, I will change this
[11:40] <Tm_T> Tonio_: I thought it's meant to cause pain
[11:40] <Tm_T> so user do his best to not to end up having those =)
[11:41] <Tonio_> Tm_T: lol
[11:42] <Tm_T> but yeah, any wallpaper suggestions welcome
[11:43] <Riddell> Tonio_: can you send me the /etc/fonts directory on your desktop?
[11:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: sure :)
[11:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: you should have the mail
[11:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: concerning the differences in kdeglobals, is appears I switched the ~ and the /usr/share/k-d-s one..........
[11:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: shame on me..... that's why I had that difference....
[11:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: hard to be concentrated with girlfriend at home buging me every 2 seconds hehe :)
[11:53] <Riddell> yep, no difference in font directories
[11:54] <Tm_T> aah, oldschool
[11:54] <Tm_T> http://patti.smurffi.net/vt420.jpg