[12:05] <lwelyn> I have a little problem with a mini program plug in in the task bar. the system performance monitor is just green now..and not shownig something anymopre
[12:05] <blackshell> robotgeek on my notebooke i am connected with wirless card to my private wirless network at home and in vitrual machine on notebook when i do scan for wirtual netowrks it says it doesn't found any network :S
[12:06] <robotgeek> blackshell: can you try with a live cd, or look in wiki to see if your model works?
[12:06] <robotgeek> !wireless
[12:06] <ubotu> well, wireless is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards if it does not work out of the box https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper windows drivers
[12:06] <blackshell> hm
[12:07] <shiggz> there're dead links there
[12:07] <shiggz> the list being one
[12:09] <_admin> in my Kubunte, the "media" isn't showing anything... what is wrong? wasn't it supposed to show my drives?
[12:09] <_admin> Kubuntu*
[12:10] <robotgeek> _admin: yes, can you see in /media
[12:10] <shiggz> what's the apt command to install ndisgtk?
[12:10] <lwelyn> Damit...why the system mini monitor in my task not showing anything anymore?
[12:11] <_admin> robotgeek: yes, but I mean... when I click "Media" on my KDE Menu, Konqueror tries to enter the adress "media:/", and there is nothing there
[12:11] <robotgeek> _admin: upgrade to kde-3.5.2 to fix that bug, i think
[12:11] <shiggz> oh and also
[12:12] <lwelyn> So nobody want to help me with this?
[12:12] <shiggz> the wlan shit reports that I somhow have two kernels in there or something
[12:12] <_admin> robotgeek: how can I upgrade my KDE? with "apt-get" ?
[12:12] <shiggz> 2.6.12 and 2.6.16
[12:12] <shiggz> somehow*
[12:13] <robotgeek> _admin: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-352.php
[12:14] <robotgeek> shiggz: uname -a
[12:14] <lwelyn> well problem solved
[12:17] <shiggz> -a shows everything about the distribution
[12:17] <shiggz> ya so
[12:17] <shiggz> how can I set aside one kernel and use the other?
[12:17] <shiggz> I'd rather use the newer one
[12:17] <apokryphos> if it's installed, just select to run that one on the GRUB prompt
[12:18] <shiggz> wha?
[12:18] <shiggz> ah you mean at boot up?
[12:18] <shiggz> on a restart?
[12:21] <hellz_hunter> i just wanted to say that i love kubuntu
[12:21] <hellz_hunter> its very cool
[12:21] <robotgeek> hellz_hunter: kubuntu loves you too :)
[12:22] <hellz_hunter> yeay!
[12:22] <hellz_hunter> im finally loved!
[12:22] <hellz_hunter> i can stop seeing my therapist now!
[12:28] <shiggz> fucking bah
[12:28] <shiggz> I can't seem to install python-gnome2
[12:28] <shiggz> help?
[12:30] <robotgeek> shiggz: please, mind you language
[12:36] <lwelyn> how can i configure a mini proramme without taking it on the task bar?
[12:39] <shiggz> sorry robotgeek
[12:39] <shiggz> I'm sorta annoyed
[12:39] <shiggz> can you help me install python-gnome2?
[12:39] <robotgeek> shiggz: why doesnt it install?
[12:39] <shiggz> no idea
[12:39] <shiggz> I can't find the file
[12:40] <shiggz> either that I don't know how to add repositories to apt
[12:40] <shiggz> either that or*
[12:41] <robotgeek> !info python-gnome2
[12:41] <ubotu> python-gnome2: (Python bindings for the GNOME desktop environment), section python, is optional. Version: 2.12.1-0ubuntu1 (breezy), Packaged size: 19 kB, Installed size: 48 kB
[12:41] <shiggz> URL?
[12:41] <robotgeek> shiggz: you need not have to enable repositories
[12:41] <robotgeek> shiggz: "sudo apt-get install python-gnome2"
[12:42] <shiggz> I did
[12:42] <shiggz> doesnt find it
[12:42] <shiggz> Package python-gnome2 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[12:42] <shiggz> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[12:42] <shiggz> is only available from another source
[12:42] <shiggz> E: Package python-gnome2 has no installation candidate
[12:42] <shiggz> that's what I get
[12:43] <shiggz> sorry for the spam
[12:43] <robotgeek> shiggz: apt-cache search python | grep gnome
[12:43] <shiggz> no output at all
[12:43] <conn_> hi, is anyone here using the ati (r128) driver?
[12:44] <chipo> Anyone nows how to change the Soundcard config?? I have the CreativeSB Live24! and my kubuntu thinks its a CLSBLive24 7.1  and I cannot hear the CDs or MP3 (or maybe is another thing)
[12:45] <robotgeek> shiggz: maybe python-gtk or something like that, i am not sure. sorry
[12:45] <sick> shiggz: grep '^deb' /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:46] <shiggz> deb cdrom:[Kubuntu 5.10 _Breezy Badger_ - Release i386 (20051012)] / breezy main restricted
[12:46] <shiggz> shiggz@ubuntuownsj00f00:~$ sudo apt-get install python-gtk
[12:46] <shiggz> Reading package lists... Done
[12:46] <shiggz> Building dependency tree... Done
[12:46] <shiggz> Package python-gtk is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[12:46] <shiggz> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[12:46] <shiggz> is only available from another source
[12:46] <shiggz> E: Package python-gtk has no installation candidate
[12:47] <shiggz> scratch that
[12:47] <robotgeek> shiggz: please don't paste here
[12:47] <shiggz> kk
[12:47] <shiggz> sick?
[12:47] <sick> add 'deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main restricted universe multiverse' to /apt/sources.list
[12:47] <sick> then apt-get update
[12:48] <sick> and then apt-get install python-gnome2
[12:48] <shiggz> kk
[12:49] <sick> sorry, a typo, ad to /etc/apt/sources.list, but seems u got that
[12:50] <shiggz> ok
[12:51] <shiggz> bah
[12:51] <shiggz> sick: same error
[12:51] <sick> ?
[12:51] <shiggz> E: Package python-gnome2 has no installation candidate
[12:53] <sick> myabe you need python-gtk2 not python-gtk?
[12:53] <shiggz> ndisgtk needs python-gnome2
[12:53] <shiggz> I'm trying to get my wireless working
[12:54] <shiggz> I'm getting net from my laptop atm
[12:54] <sick> i ma on dapper/unstable and i don't have the python-gtk package
[12:54] <shiggz> connection sharing
[12:54] <sick> what package do you want to instal to setup your wireless?
[12:54] <shiggz> ndisgtk
[12:54] <shiggz> or wifigtk
[12:54] <shiggz> one or the other
[12:55] <shiggz> I tried the wlan driver but it errors out when I do make install
[12:55] <sick> what card do you have?
[12:56] <sick> wifi one i mean
[12:56] <shiggz> Linksys WMP11
[12:56] <shiggz> and I just fixed my sources.list
[12:56] <shiggz> it's DLing the new stuff now
[12:59] <shiggz> w00t!
[12:59] <shiggz> it's getting the stuff
[12:59] <shiggz> I did apt-get -f install
[12:59] <sick> which driver you tried?
[12:59] <shiggz> and it's working it seems
[12:59] <shiggz> YAYAYAYAYAYY
[12:59] <sick> glas it helped
[12:59] <shiggz> sick lemme check which driver
[12:59] <shiggz> which wlan right?
[12:59] <sick> yes
[01:00] <shiggz> linux-wlan-ng-0.1.14-pre1
[01:00] <shiggz> thatone
[01:00] <shiggz> that one*
[01:00] <shiggz> I think it's a kernel conflict or something
[01:00] <shiggz> I have 2.6.16 and 2.6.14 installed
[01:00] <shiggz> I think
[01:01] <sick> the driver is outdated
[01:02] <sick> try 'apt-cache show linux-wlan-ng' what version?
[01:03] <shiggz> 0.2.0+0.2.1pre21-1.1ubuntu1
[01:03] <sick> try 'ifconfig -a'
[01:03] <kbrooks> freezes put pressure on us, eh?
[01:05] <shiggz> sick what am I looking for in that?
[01:06] <sick> the names of the interfaces 'ifconfig -a | grep ^[a-zA-Z] '
[01:07] <Barbelos> Or even better, try iwconfig
[01:07] <shiggz> eth0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:50:BA:C7:96:5A
[01:07] <shiggz> lo        Link encap:Local Loopback
[01:07] <shiggz> sit0      Link encap:IPv6-in-IPv4
[01:07] <shiggz> shiggz@ubuntuownsj00f00:~$ iwconfig
[01:07] <shiggz> lo        no wireless extensions.
[01:07] <shiggz> eth0      no wireless extensions.
[01:07] <shiggz> sit0      no wireless extensions.
[01:08] <kbrooks> robotgeek: :P
[01:08] <kbrooks> robotgeek: peep in.
[01:08] <shiggz> tattletale
[01:08] <shiggz> >_>;;
[01:10] <robotgeek> kbrooks: hmm
[01:10] <robotgeek> shiggz, don't paste in here. Please use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[01:11] <shiggz> >_>
[01:11] <shiggz> you're not an op
[01:12] <robotgeek> shiggz: so?
[01:14] <shiggz> >>
[01:14] <shiggz> sick do you have AIM or MSN/
[01:14] <shiggz> ?
[01:16] <sick> shiggs: maybe you will have some tips here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=7319
[01:17] <kbrooks> robotgeek: general irc myth #1: rules are stated by ops
[01:17] <kbrooks> er
[01:17] <kbrooks> ops only
[01:17] <kbrooks> robotgeek: what have you got to answer to that? :)
[01:17] <robotgeek> kbrooks: i prefer not to answer
[01:18] <kbrooks> robotgeek: heh
[01:18] <kbrooks> shiggz: he is not an op, but he can show rules :P
[01:19] <sick> rules, rules, the whole life is about rules and how to break them to get the thign done
[01:20] <kbrooks> sick: funny.
[01:21] <sick> esp in russia, where i live
[01:21] <crimsun_> whether robotgeek feels the need to remain opped at all times is his prerogative.
[01:22] <crimsun_> same for the rest of us.
[01:23] <sick> anyone on dapper/unstable here?
[01:24] <crimsun_> plenty in #ubuntu+1
[01:30] <shiggz> how do I resolve GTK bindings errors?
[01:41] <shiggz> bwahaha I'm installing GNOME
[01:45] <_nick> HEy folks, quick question...there a way to get Konqueror to not open things in the same window all the time? I want to click my "Home" twice icon and have 2 windows open, not one with 2 tabs....
[01:46] <_nick> I've tried changing the "Always open in new window" setting, but it doesn't appear to do anything =\
[01:51] <_jordan> Can someone help me getting my wireless card to work? It should work automatically, but for some reason it won't be detected
[01:52] <visik7> _jordan: what card ?
[01:53] <_jordan> A Dlink DWL-G510
[01:53] <visik7> it's a acx100 iirc
[01:53] <Red_Herring> "sudo modprobe acx"
[01:53] <visik7> 510 or 510+ ?
[01:54] <_jordan> one sec, let me check
[01:54] <_jordan> 510
[01:55] <_jordan> Red_Herring, when i run that, i get this response: FATAL: Module acx not found.
[01:55] <Red_Herring> hrm, modprobe -l | grep acx
[01:56] <Red_Herring> wait, is this dapper or breezy?
[01:56] <Red_Herring> for breezy: sudo modprobe acx_pci
[01:57] <_jordan> the, modprobe acx_pci, returned with nothing. the modeprode -l | grep acx returned with: /lib/modules/2.6.12-9-386/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/acx/acx_pci.ko
[02:01] <c|ever> would this be an appropriate place to ask for some help?
[02:02] <crimsun_> sure.
[02:02] <_jordan> any ideas as to why it's not working?
[02:02] <c|ever> i've got kubuntu up and running on a G5. i just need a little help getting amarok working.
[02:03] <c|ever> if i try and select the xine engine, it'll crash on me.
[02:03] <wicked_> hi! im having a hard time tryiing to have mp3 and mpeg codec installed over dapper
[02:03] <visik7> c|ever: try an updated amarok version
[02:03] <c|ever> visik7: i'm using the latest and greatest
[02:03] <bur[n] er> wicked_: using gstreamer0.10-plugins ?
[02:03] <visik7> _JohnFlux: lspci report texas instruments card ?
[02:04] <visik7> c|ever: 1.3.9 ?
[02:04] <wicked_> i just made afresh installation so all i got is the basic
[02:04] <visik7> there aren't repo for breezy
[02:05] <c|ever> visik7: the 1.3.7 from the repo
[02:06] <wicked_> ... do some1 as a link on a help page or somethiing... i cant find any
[02:06] <yanis> hi
[02:06] <yanis> I have a very strange problem
[02:06] <visik7> c|ever: and same problem with 1.3.1 I guess
[02:06] <visik7> ?
[02:06] <yanis> when I choose an object in Konqueror there is no 'Cut' action under the Edit Menu.
[02:06] <yanis> check this screenshot: http://elgreco.unstable.nl/odd.jpg
[02:07] <c|ever> visik7: so grab and build 1.3.9?
[02:08] <visik7> maybe could fix
[02:08] <visik7> have u checkd on the ppc section on the forum?
[02:08] <wicked_> bur[n] er: any clue?
[02:09] <c|ever> yea, not much on there.
[02:09] <visik7> dunno man
[02:09] <visik7> time to sleep
[02:09] <visik7>  2.00 am here
[02:09] <visik7> 'nite
[02:11] <c|ever> night man.
[02:13] <wicked_> hi! im having a hard time tryiing to have mp3 and mpeg codec installed over dapper... on a fresh installation
[02:14] <_jordan> would anyone have an idea what i should do for my wireless card problem?
[02:16] <Cellar|away> !k9copy
[02:16] <ubotu> methinks k9copy is A good alternative to running DVDShrink with wine is k9copy http://k9copy.sourceforge.net/index.php which is available for breezy is this repository deb http://repos.knio.it/ breezy main contrib non-free
[02:16] <Red_Herring> sweet!
[02:17] <bur[n] er> wicked_: you need the codecs... what are you using to play the files? kaffeine?  totem?
[02:17] <wicked_> amarok mostly
[02:18] <Ze_M> god night
[02:18] <bur[n] er> wicked_: xine engine or gstreamer?
[02:18] <wicked_> i dont know, this is a freash installation of dapper
[02:18] <Ze_M> whats the diference between kubuntu and ubuntu?
[02:18] <wicked_> i didnt install nothing yet
[02:19] <crimsun> Ze_M: KDE and GNOME by default.
[02:19] <wicked_> Ze_M: ubuntu use gnome and kubuntu kde
[02:19] <bur[n] er> Ze_M: kde and gnome
[02:19] <Ze_M> its the only difference?
[02:19] <crimsun> pragmatically, yes
[02:20] <Ze_M> but since is the same distro wy differentiate name? in other distros the name keeps the sane if using kde or other wm
[02:20] <bur[n] er> Ze_M: because their two different cds, and it's a petty thing... the distros working well is more important than naming :)
[02:21] <wicked_> bur[n] er: how may i find if i use gstreamer or xine
[02:21] <bur[n] er> wicked_: sudo apt-get install amarok-xine, it's better anyway
[02:21] <bur[n] er> wicked_: dapper or breezy? i forget
[02:22] <wicked_> dapper
[02:23] <bur[n] er> wicked_: you have universe and multiverse as available repositories?
[02:23] <bur[n] er> !mp3
[02:23] <Glin|Jol> Winamp not Running
[02:23] <ubotu> mp3 is, like, a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[02:24] <wicked_> yes ive been to that link but seems like apt was unable to find some of the require package
[02:25] <wicked_> libxine-extracodecs... as an exemple
[02:26] <angelika> i've got a silly question for somebody- i want to remove a module from the kernel with modprobe, but the module is in use.  how to forcibly stop it?
[02:26] <Ze_M> service foo stop
[02:26] <angelika> thanks :)
[02:28] <bur[n] er> that's not right... service?
[02:28] <bur[n] er> angelika: sudo rmmod module_name
[02:29] <bur[n] er> angelika: lsmod lists them
[02:29] <Steven_M> hi all
[02:31] <wicked_> amarok-xine is already installed
[02:31] <wicked_> hi Steven_M
[02:31] <bur[n] er> wicked_: follow that link from the !mp3 command
[02:32] <bur[n] er> !mp3
[02:32] <Glin|Jol> Winamp not Running
[02:32] <ubotu> mp3 is probably a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[02:32] <bur[n] er> grr... stupid mirc script
[02:32] <bur[n] er> er... xchat script ;)
[02:32] <shiggz> okay so no matter what I do I can't get ndisgtk working
[02:32] <wicked_> yeah i went there but it seems like there is some package here that apt cant find
[02:32] <shiggz> >_>
[02:32] <angelika> burner, that didn't work either, because the mod is actually running.
[02:32] <shiggz> even installing full blown GNOME helped very little
[02:33] <Steven_M> Is there ISO of a 64-bit Intel kubuntu cd/dvd as opposed to 64-bit AMD?
[02:33] <bur[n] er> angelika: what are we talking about here?
[02:33] <shiggz> shiggz@ubuntuownsj00f00:~$ ndisgtk
[02:33] <shiggz> Failed to load GTK bindings. Please check your Gnome installation
[02:33] <shiggz> bah
[02:33] <bur[n] er> shiggz: just use the non-gui :)
[02:34] <shiggz> meh
[02:34] <shiggz> the drivers I have don';t seem to work anyway
[02:34] <shiggz> I have a WMP11v4 card
[02:34] <shiggz> I followed why ppl say and it won't work
[02:34] <angelika> burner, the command you wrote- sudo rmmod module_name complained because the module is running
[02:35] <angelika> i need to shut it off but not sure how... or if i can.  new to linux :-\
[02:35] <_jordan> What is the kubuntu version of Synaptic, or is it the same? If it is the same, where can i find it?
[02:35] <Steven_M> hi wicked_
[02:35] <bur[n] er> what module specifically
[02:35] <bur[n] er> and what does it control?
[02:35] <angelika> snd_intel8x0.  its onboard sound card module
[02:36] <bur[n] er> so stop all sound apps
[02:36] <angelika> none are running.
[02:36] <bur[n] er> ps ax <--u sure?
[02:36] <crimsun> angelika: sudo invoke-rc.d alsa force-unload
[02:36] <angelika> ok, i will try it.
[02:37] <shiggz> isnt there a KDE NDISWRAPPER frontend?
[02:37] <angelika> oh thanks, that did the trick :)
[02:37] <shiggz> like a Qt one
[02:37] <wicked_> ok well i give up the fight
[02:38] <angelika> thanks guys!
[02:38] <wicked_> :$
[02:39] <bur[n] er> shiggz: google?  apt-cache search ?
[02:39] <shiggz> did
[02:39] <shiggz> the ndiswrapper wiki that tells which driver works is down sorta
[02:39] <shiggz> the needed page isnt there
[02:39] <wicked_> bur[n] er: that was bad
[02:39] <bur[n] er> sucky
[02:39] <bur[n] er> i assume it's a wireless card shiggz ?
[02:39] <shiggz> ya
[02:40] <shiggz> WMP11v4
[02:40] <shiggz> Linksys
[02:40] <lance> hello
[02:40] <shiggz> I tried the official ubuntu supported one but that's a no go too
[02:40] <hz9000> hi guys, i have 2 hd's, 1 windows, 1 kubuntu, i just installed kubuntu and apparently screwed something up because grub can't see my windows share
[02:40] <hz9000> what can i do?
[02:40] <lance> I have a very choppy mouse, I looked at top and everything seemed low, I think its just my mouse is slow.. any way to fix this?
[02:42] <CellarDoor> ah excellent I have K9Copy now
[02:42] <bur[n] er> hz9000: windows share?  as in samba?
[02:42] <CellarDoor> must give it a whirl
[02:42] <hz9000> just windows hard drive
[02:42] <bur[n] er> lance: could be video card related with slow display refresh?
[02:42] <hz9000> formerly was my main hd and just used my spare one for storage (now it's linux)
[02:45] <lance> bur[n] er: how do I check?
[02:45] <lance> bur[n] er: everything seems pretty quick tho.. my keyboard commands happen quickly
[02:47] <sara> hello
[02:47] <lance> hz9000: did you have windows installed first, and then installed kubuntu?
[02:47] <iceman> there a way to set superkaramba to load on boot and start a set of plugins
[02:47] <wicked_> hi! im having a hard time tryiing to have mp3 and mpeg codec installed over dapper... on a fresh installation... ive been there https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats but apt was unable to find some needed package
[02:48] <lance> wicked_: what packages?
[02:48] <hz9000> lance, i did
[02:48] <iceman> wicked_ got to be extremely sure that multi verse repos are enabled
[02:48] <xwolf-> wicked_ well, all i did was installing gstreamer0.8-plugins and the magic was done.
[02:48] <xwolf-> i just got out of a fresh new install, but on breezy
[02:48] <bur[n] er> lance: glxinfo |grep direct  <-- does that say yes for rendering?
[02:49] <wicked_> iceman:  sources.list as been edited and recheck than update
[02:49] <wicked_> im using dapper
[02:49] <wicked_> under xine engine
[02:49] <iceman> I need help setting mplayer to the default media player ...
[02:49] <xwolf-> i don't think there is much of a problem
[02:50] <xwolf-> iceman afaik, you need to set the mime types specifically for each file
[02:50] <lance> bur[n] er: says yes, with three warnings all like: "libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x24"
[02:51] <hugo> hey is it normal if I dont have super Karamba
[02:51] <iceman> where do you change the settings ...
[02:52] <iceman> hugo you have to install superkarama .... not a included package
[02:52] <_jordan> Where should the kernel build files be located?
[02:53] <hugo> ok I dont need new deb
[02:54] <iceman> where do you change the mplayer  settings to make it the default media player
[02:54] <xwolf-> iceman go to the file's properties and click the little thingie on the far right of 'type'
[02:54] <xwolf-> it's a tool, don't know the name in english
[02:55] <xwolf-> iceman or you can choose Open With and then 'remember the association for this file type'
[02:56] <psychiccyberfrea> what's the file I have to mod to get online packages again?
[02:56] <iceman> sources.list
[02:56] <ablosyans> bjour
[02:57] <psychiccyberfrea> yeah where is that
[02:57] <xwolf-> /etc/apt
[02:57] <psychiccyberfrea> thanks
[02:57] <xwolf-> np
[02:57] <ablosyans> ya kelk ki parle frensh ici
[02:57] <iceman> kool got the mplayer setting ... ty
[02:58] <PhoenixGI> Hello
[02:58] <sara> is my IP address from eth0 ..from the card itself.. or does the cable server give it that ip address?
[02:59] <PhoenixGI> Sara Probably from your Cable, unless you connect to a router, then the IP comes from teh router
[03:00] <sara> ok thanks
[03:00] <sara> im having troubles connecting my new DSL service
[03:00] <shiggz> has anyone here successfully gotten a Linksys wireless card working properly with KUBUNTU?
[03:00] <sara> my server wont help, because im on linux, which REALLY sucks
[03:00] <bur[n] er> anyone know the hotkey to switch tabs in konq?
[03:00] <psychiccyberfrea> ndiswrapper
[03:00] <Shiggz> tried
[03:01] <Shiggz> I can never find the correct driver
[03:01] <psychiccyberfrea> you can use some drivers from the CD, but it is not reccomended
[03:01] <Shiggz> again, I tried
[03:01] <bur[n] er> sara: you probably have a dhcp server
[03:01] <psychiccyberfrea> that's what I did
[03:01] <sara> on cable my on-the-motherboard lan card is recognized right away.. on DSL it wont show an IP address for that eth0 connection
[03:01] <bur[n] er> sara: have multiple computers connected to it?  behind a router?
[03:01] <Shiggz> psychiccyberfrea: what driver u use?
[03:01] <Shiggz> I have a WMP11v4
[03:01] <sara> no multiples, yes DHCP
[03:01] <bur[n] er> sara: try running "sudo dhclient eth0" ?
[03:01] <psychiccyberfrea> I used bcmwl5.inf
[03:02] <Shiggz> -_-
[03:02] <bur[n] er> sara: what does "ifconfig" say?
[03:02] <Shiggz> hwat card u have
[03:02] <Shiggz> what*
[03:02] <psychiccyberfrea> dell wireless 1130?
[03:02] <psychiccyberfrea> it's a broadcom thing
[03:02] <Shiggz> heh
[03:02] <psychiccyberfrea> *chipset
[03:02] <bur[n] er> bcm43xx?
[03:02] <sara> on cable (which I am right now) it gives an IP address , on DSL it doesnt list an inter adr for eth0
[03:02] <bur[n] er> i'm using that on a dell latitude laptop
[03:02] <Shiggz> I don't have that chipset I don't think
[03:02] <psychiccyberfrea> I really don't know...
[03:03] <PhoenixGI> sara are you directly connected to your DSL modem, or still running thorough the router
[03:03] <bur[n] er> sara: if it's a modem... power cycle it?
[03:03] <sara> for some bizzare reason my server asked for 2 things to get started (because I am on linux and cant use the install disk) .. one an ip-mac address which i found and gave them, second they want my IP address for my machine
[03:04] <sara> no router
[03:04] <PhoenixGI> Sara, Ok I don't know how to do this, but is PPPoE setup
[03:04] <PhoenixGI> In Kubuntu, sounds like your not "dialing" out
[03:04] <sara> when everything is hooked up on DSL and I type ifconfig -a   I dont get an ip address showing up for eth0 ,
[03:05] <bur[n] er> sara: they give you the ip ;)  that's f'd up
[03:05] <_jordan> Is anyone here good with wireless cards?
[03:05] <bur[n] er> sara: try sudo dhclient eth0 ?
[03:05] <sara> thats the other thing... I tried apt-get to get pppoe and it installed , but doesnt run properly
[03:06] <sara> burner i'm at a friend on cable right now getting info, I tried all night to get the dsl working
[03:06] <arn> evening all
[03:06] <PhoenixGI> That's probably where the issue is at Sara, If PPPoE isn't making a connection, then no IP for you
[03:06] <sara> i will try  that though, what does that command do?
[03:06] <PhoenixGI> Evening arn
[03:06] <bur[n] er> sara: asks for an ip from the dhcp server
[03:06] <bur[n] er> sara: similar to "ipconfig /renew" on windows
[03:06] <sara> I cant wait to try that one
[03:06] <sara> okay
[03:06] <kosh> sorry I don't know either, I have an external cisco dsl router, it just works regardless of os
[03:07] <psychiccyberfrea> well, I know this is a stupid question, but does your 'router' have ethernet ports on the back (more then one) or does it connect via USB, Firewire, or is it a card?
[03:07] <kosh> no PPPoE etc
[03:07] <arn> I marked something for install in adept but it says BREAK(install) in red
[03:07] <arn> any one know what that means?
[03:07] <kosh> arn: it means that package can not be installed
[03:07] <bur[n] er> arn: prolly needs extra packages?  (i use apt-get so don't quote me)
[03:07] <sara> if you install something like pppoe via tar , is there a good way to delete it and all ?
[03:08] <bur[n] er> sara: find all files and remove it... or if you kept the source, you can make clean i think
[03:08] <psychiccyberfrea> sara answer my question please
[03:08] <sara> im trying
[03:08] <bur[n] er> psychiccyberfrea: how's she to know you are asking her ;)
[03:08] <psychiccyberfrea> ok
[03:08] <sara> small fonts  lol
[03:08] <bur[n] er> her/him/ whatever ;)
[03:08] <sara> im not on a router , just a dlink DSL modem
[03:08] <_jordan> *sigh*
[03:09] <bur[n] er> sara: via ethernet or usb?
[03:09] <sara> ethernet
[03:09] <psychiccyberfrea> oh
[03:09] <bur[n] er> sara: usually via ethernet means no drivers, whereas usb would
[03:09] <psychiccyberfrea> well,
[03:09] <sara> via motherboard onboard lan card
[03:09] <bur[n] er> oh yeah :)  you said that
[03:09] <sara> i have a spare ethernet card that I was considering trying
[03:10] <psychiccyberfrea> with ethernet modems, you go through that, so your IP would appear to be your modem's IP.
[03:10] <bur[n] er> sara: it is possible that you're restricted to one MAC address and they didn't put it in correctly and you're getting denied an ip
[03:10] <sara> I tried powercycling and restarting, but in the boot, it seems that ubuntu hangs while looking for the cable connection on eth0
[03:10] <Steven_M> Is there ISO of a 64-bit Intel kubuntu cd/dvd as opposed to 64-bit AMD?
[03:11] <bur[n] er> sara: that's where the dhclient command hits basically
[03:11] <psychiccyberfrea> did you try configuring it through the web based panel type thing?
[03:11] <sara> thanks for all your help
[03:11] <bur[n] er> sara: i'd bet it'd to do with a MAC address acceptance issue
[03:11] <sara> i'll try that command
[03:11] <bur[n] er> sara: they prolly want the MAC address of your modem, not your NIC
[03:11] <sara> does each lan card have a different mac number?
[03:11] <bur[n] er> sara: indeed
[03:11] <psychiccyberfrea> yeah
[03:11] <sara> okay
[03:12] <sara> maybe I should install the seperate lan card and give my server the new mac address
[03:12] <psychiccyberfrea> if it didn't, it wouldn't be an address now would it :lol:
[03:12] <sara> thanks a lot
[03:12] <psychiccyberfrea> if you try ipchicken.com you can find your IP and mac address
[03:13] <psychiccyberfrea> oh she left
[03:13] <bur[n] er> heh
[03:13] <_jordan> yeah...
[03:13] <bur[n] er> she can't get online ;)
[03:13] <_jordan> do you guys think you can help me with my  wireless card problem?
[03:13] <psychiccyberfrea> yes
[03:13] <bur[n] er> _jordan: try the wiki?
[03:13] <wicked_> where can i find a great sources list for kubuntu dapper
[03:13] <hugo> ok I think ive lost some repositories
[03:13] <_jordan> bur[n] er, i've been looking at it and trying all sorts of things for hours... with absolutely no luck
[03:14] <Danny> how do I install this if I have no internet connection?
[03:14] <Danny> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WPAHowto?highlight=%28wpa%29
[03:14] <psychiccyberfrea> search through the drivers disk and find the one for your model, then install it into ndiswrapper
[03:14] <psychiccyberfrea> that's what I did
[03:14] <bur[n] er> _jordan: dwl-510?
[03:14] <_jordan> yes
[03:15] <_jordan> it recognizes the card, but it doesn't assign it anything like wlan0
[03:15] <psychiccyberfrea> did you re-load the modules?
[03:15] <_jordan> which ones?
[03:15] <bur[n] er> _jordan: iwconfig ?
[03:15] <psychiccyberfrea> try this:
[03:15] <psychiccyberfrea> sudo depmod -a
[03:16] <bur[n] er> _jordan: how do you know it "recognized" it?  you mean by lspci?
[03:16] <psychiccyberfrea> he probably did ndiswrapper -l
[03:16] <_jordan> psychiccyberfrea, that commnd didn't do anything
[03:16] <_jordan> lshw -C network
[03:16] <_jordan>   *-network:0 UNCLAIMED
[03:16] <bur[n] er> wtf does -a do?
[03:16] <psychiccyberfrea> I know now try this:
[03:16] <_jordan> then it lists the details of the card
[03:17] <psychiccyberfrea> sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
[03:17] <psychiccyberfrea> then check for errors in:
[03:17] <psychiccyberfrea> /var/log/messages
[03:17] <bur[n] er> ooh... lshw is neat :)  thanks for that
[03:17] <_jordan> root@jordan:/etc/ndiswrapper-1.12# modprobe ndiswrapper
[03:17] <_jordan> FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.12-9-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted
[03:17] <psychiccyberfrea> did you do sudo?
[03:17] <bur[n] er> _jordan: sudo
[03:17] <_jordan> i'm logged into terminal as root
[03:18] <bur[n] er> doh
[03:18] <psychiccyberfrea> oh
[03:18] <psychiccyberfrea> that's a problem
[03:18] <bur[n] er> the module exists? at that location?
[03:18] <psychiccyberfrea> I'm just getting this off the wiki, don't blaim me...
[03:18] <iceman> whats apt-get command for xfce
[03:18] <psychiccyberfrea> try apt-get install xfce
[03:19] <CellarDoor> or look it up using Adept
[03:19] <_jordan> or you can try: apt-cache search xfce
[03:19] <CellarDoor> (lazy me)
[03:19] <_jordan> then select a package
[03:19] <CellarDoor> or that...
[03:20] <_jordan> psychiccyberfrea, i tried installing ndiswrapper, but i kept running into an error.. it couldn't find the linux build locationg
[03:20] <_jordan> location*
[03:20] <psychiccyberfrea> hmm
[03:20] <psychiccyberfrea> sudo apt-get update ndiswrapper
[03:20] <Danny> how do I install this if I have no internet connection?
[03:20] <Danny> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WPAHowto?highlight=%28wpa%29
[03:21] <psychiccyberfrea> is that even valid?
[03:21] <_jordan> root@jordan:~# apt-get update ndiswrapper
[03:21] <_jordan> E: The update command takes no arguments
[03:21] <psychiccyberfrea> ummm
[03:22] <psychiccyberfrea> open symawhatever package manager, search 'ndis'
[03:22] <iceman> how to rebuild gnome .... dpkg_reconfigure ubuntu-desktop ?
[03:22] <_jordan> you mean adept?
[03:22] <psychiccyberfrea> no
[03:22] <_jordan> i haven't been able to find symatic on kubuntu... :/
[03:22] <iceman> seems kde toasted my Gnome
[03:22] <psychiccyberfrea> synaptic package manager
[03:23] <_jordan> yeah, that
[03:23] <crimsun> iceman: no, it's just the existence of ~/.gtkrc-2.0 as overwritten by gtk2-engines-gtk-qt as required by kubuntu-desktop
[03:23] <psychiccyberfrea> search 'ndis' there and un-install it, then re-install it
[03:23] <SigmaX> _jordan: Adept?
[03:24] <iceman> crimsun how to make them play nice ....
[03:24] <psychiccyberfrea> no sigmax it's synaptic
[03:24] <crimsun> iceman: move ~/.gtkrc-2.0 out of the way whenever you use GNOME
[03:24] <crimsun> iceman: then move it back whenever you use KDE
[03:24] <SigmaX> psychiccyberfrea: mmkay.  Just thought Adept was the default for Kubuntu, so sdave him a step.
[03:24] <iceman> have to note that
[03:24] <_jordan> the  only thing that shows is 'ndiswrapper-util'
[03:24] <psychiccyberfrea> yeah that's it
[03:24] <iceman> sucks they cant play nice with one anotehr
[03:25] <angelika> i have a nasty sound problem... anybody care to give it a shot?
[03:25] <psychiccyberfrea> re-install that after you un-install it
[03:25] <crimsun> what sort of nasty sound problem?
[03:25] <psychiccyberfrea> note that your drivers will be erased (anything installed)
[03:26] <_jordan> meh, doesn't matter
[03:26] <_jordan> i just installed it...
[03:26] <angelika> oook here goes... the short version is that somehow kubuntu sends the sound to my onboard sound card (which i can't disable )
[03:26] <psychiccyberfrea> ok
[03:26] <angelika> but, the onboard sound is NOT the default card
[03:26] <psychiccyberfrea> now re-install your driver
[03:26] <_jordan> ok, it's installed
[03:26] <psychiccyberfrea> sudo ndiswrapper -i <driver path>
[03:27] <crimsun> angelika: that's easily worked around.
[03:27] <_jordan> what would be the driver path?
[03:27] <crimsun> angelika: are you using dapper or breezy?
[03:27] <angelika> breezy
[03:27] <angelika> i would LOVE to know how.
[03:27] <iceman> I moved to dapper ...
[03:27] <psychiccyberfrea> just type in sudo ndiswrapper -i
[03:27] <Shiggz> _jordan: what wireless card ya got?
[03:27] <crimsun> angelika: what do you have configured for arts in System Settings> Audio
[03:27] <_jordan> Dlink DWL-G510
[03:27] <iceman> well time to test xfce
[03:27] <psychiccyberfrea> then drag the driver .inf file into the terminal
[03:27] <crimsun> angelika: I'd disable the sound server completely and just use ALSA
[03:28] <Shiggz> crap
[03:28] <Shiggz> not what I got
[03:28] <_jordan> where would the .inf file be?
[03:28] <angelika> i use ALSA
[03:28] <crimsun> angelika: so the sound server is unchecked?
[03:28] <psychiccyberfrea> on your CD, or download it from the ndiswrapper wiki page
[03:28] <angelika> where am i looking?
[03:28] <crimsun> angelika: system settings> audio/multimedia
[03:29] <psychiccyberfrea> the page got erased so google ndiswrapper list and click 'cached' to see it
[03:29] <Shiggz> if you manage to get the file let me know
[03:29] <Shiggz> I'm annoyed that that page was removed
[03:29] <psychiccyberfrea> I would look for it on the wiki first...
[03:29] <angelika> ok and where in there?
[03:29] <psychiccyberfrea> me too shiggs
[03:29] <crimsun> angelika: it's just a check box at the top
[03:30] <crimsun> I don't have KDE running atm, so I can't tell you precisely
[03:30] <Shiggz> uber annoyed
[03:30] <angelika> ok i'm looking... i see something "Enable the sound system"
[03:31] <crimsun> angelika: that's it. Make sure it's unchecked
[03:31] <_jordan> ok, i found it in the list...
[03:31] <angelika> its unchecked.  do i have to reboot?
[03:31] <crimsun> (you'll lose system sounds, but sound in apps are fine0
[03:31] <crimsun> no need to reboot
[03:31] <psychiccyberfrea> I got the page it's here:
[03:32] <angelika> still uses onboard sound
[03:32] <crimsun> angelika: and it should. We're not finished yet.
[03:32] <angelika> ok, sry.  what next?
[03:32] <crimsun> angelika: cat /proc/asound/modules
[03:32] <_jordan> OH
[03:32] <Shiggz> ??
[03:32] <_jordan> sorry, it just dawned on me where to get the inf from :)
[03:32] <Shiggz> where??!!
[03:33] <Danny> how do I install this if I have no internet connection?
[03:33] <Danny> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WPAHowto?highlight=%28wpa%29
[03:33] <angelika> that file is not there.
[03:33] <angelika> i should create it?
[03:33] <Shiggz> I tried the INF from my drivers cd doesnt work
[03:33] <Shiggz> @ Jordan
[03:33] <angelika> sorry :)
[03:33] <_jordan> when i drag the file on terminal, what should i do
[03:33] <crimsun> angelika: ...you don't have /proc/asound/modules?
[03:33] <psychiccyberfrea> http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:7UCF-3OkPWoJ:ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/List+ndiswrapper+list&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1
[03:33] <angelika> missed a space in the typing
[03:33] <angelika> its there.
[03:33] <crimsun> ok.
[03:34] <crimsun> what are its contents?
[03:34] <psychiccyberfrea> that's the url to the wiki page for the list of drivers
[03:34] <_jordan> yeah, psychiccyberfrea, i found that page, and i have the inf. now what should i do?
[03:34] <psychiccyberfrea> what do I need for MP3 playback in kubuntu again?
[03:35] <psychiccyberfrea> install it
[03:35] <angelika> 0 snd_intel8x0           1 snd_usb_audio
[03:35] <psychiccyberfrea> and then go sudo depmod -a
[03:35] <_jordan> how do i install it?
[03:35] <crimsun> angelika: ok, then just do this: echo "options snd-intel8x0 index=-2" |sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[03:36] <PhoenixGI> WooHoo, Found it, thanks for the Karma build guys
[03:36] <PhoenixGI> :)
[03:36] <psychiccyberfrea> sudo ndiswrapper -i <drag .inf file now>
[03:36] <Shiggz> omg omg I think this ma work now
[03:36] <Shiggz> may*
[03:36] <angelika> done
[03:37] <crimsun> angelika: now reboot, and everything magically works.
[03:37] <_jordan> root@jordan:~# ndiswrapper -i '/tmp/kde-jordan/arkxkAAyv/Driver/manual/WinXP/mrv8k51.inf'
[03:37] <_jordan> Installing mrv8k51
[03:37] <_jordan> Parse error in inf. Unable to find section W8100PCI.zerocfg
[03:37] <_jordan> Parse error in inf. Unable to find section W8100PCI.zerocfg
[03:37] <_jordan> Parse error in inf. Unable to find section W8100PCI.zerocfg
[03:37] <angelika> ok i will do that.  big thanks
[03:37] <psychiccyberfrea> wow, I should put all this on my site
[03:37] <psychiccyberfrea> lol
[03:37] <Shiggz> psychiccyberfrea and _jordan: if you wanna talk about this, my msn: shiggymiyamoto@gmail.com
[03:37] <psychiccyberfrea> idk
[03:37] <psychiccyberfrea> I don't use MSN
[03:37] <Shiggz> bah
[03:37] <Shiggz> what ya use
[03:37] <psychiccyberfrea> AIM, YAHOO, and Skype
[03:38] <Shiggz> hmm I got skype
[03:38] <psychiccyberfrea> I'm too lazy to compile it under linux so it may take me a while to get kopete, and skype
[03:39] <psychiccyberfrea> lemmie donwload it qwick
[03:39] <Shiggz> kk
[03:39] <Shiggz> apt-get it
[03:39] <Shiggz> ...given you have the right repositories set
[03:40] <_jordan> i have to go for a little while
[03:41] <psychiccyberfrea> ok shiggz wat's your skype name
[03:42] <Shiggz> psychiccyberfrea: it's shiggityshiggityshwah
[03:42] <Shiggz> but my skype is having issues
[03:43] <psychiccyberfrea> yeah I'm installin it now...
[03:43] <Shiggz> man.. I really like Ubuntu
[03:43] <Shiggz> the best Linux OS I've tried yet
[03:44] <Shiggz> <3 apt-get
[03:44] <Shiggz> xD
[03:44] <psychiccyberfrea> yea everything else sees essy
[03:44] <Shiggz> heh
[03:44] <Shiggz> CellarDoor: yeah
[03:44] <Shiggz> that's what I'm on
[03:44] <psychiccyberfrea> the one problemo I ahve with ubntu
[03:44] <wicked_> is apollon a nice app?
[03:45] <CellarDoor> wicked_: yeah
[03:45] <Shiggz> I have GNOME installed.. though I may remove it
[03:45] <CellarDoor> wicked_: I use it all the time
[03:45] <wicked_> cool i was hesiting between apollon and giftoxic
[03:45] <angelika> and now, i can't get any sound :)
[03:45] <psychiccyberfrea> the install disk didn't let me have my /home partition a fat32 filesystem
[03:45] <Shiggz> ok psychiccyberfrea I'm firing up my skype
[03:45] <psychiccyberfrea> and it took me foreva to fix
[03:46] <psychiccyberfrea> I need help running the skype installer
[03:46] <CellarDoor> wicked_: I was using Limewire before that... Limewire got the boot about five minutes after I installed Apollon
[03:46] <Shiggz> lol
[03:46] <Shiggz> sudo dpkg --install skype<version>.deb
[03:46] <psychiccyberfrea> yeah I downloaded the dynamic bunaries
[03:46] <Shiggz> ah
[03:46] <Shiggz> get the deb
[03:46] <wicked_> yah use to hate java based apps under linux
[03:46] <psychiccyberfrea> *binaries
[03:46] <psychiccyberfrea> ok
[03:47] <wicked_> personal opinion
[03:47] <Shiggz> if you use the binaries you'd have to run it from the terminal
[03:47] <Shiggz> afaik anyway
[03:47] <Shiggz> I dunno how to symlink stuff
[03:47] <CellarDoor> wicked_: yeah I hate java apps
[03:48] <psychiccyberfrea> ok it's working
[03:48] <CellarDoor> wicked_: I'm about to try out K9Copy now too... looks like that might be good also
[03:48] <Shiggz> ^^
[03:48] <honguye> hmm ... a dumb question
[03:48] <honguye> you guys know any file sharing program for linux ?
[03:49] <psychiccyberfrea> ahh
[03:49] <psychiccyberfrea> psychiccyberfreak@home:~$ skype
[03:49] <psychiccyberfrea> skype: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[03:49] <Shiggz> heh
[03:49] <Shiggz> yeah
[03:49] <Shiggz> you'd need that
[03:50] <wicked_> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=23885 ... if you are talking about this, yes it do sounds cool to me
[03:50] <psychiccyberfrea> I f33l like a newb
[03:50] <psychiccyberfrea> lol
[03:50] <psychiccyberfrea> just apt-get it?
[03:50] <Shiggz> psychiccyberfrea: search for that in a package manager or in terminal: apt-cache search libstdc++
[03:51] <CellarDoor> honguye: Apollon is a nice giFT client, I think its great.
[03:51] <CellarDoor> wicked_: yeah thats the one
[03:51] <CellarDoor> wicked_: I'm gonna try it out after lunch
[03:52] <wicked_> honguye: any thing gift related sounds cool to me i was using giftoxic before, tonight i swwitched to apollon and its sounds good too
[03:52] <Nomad411> Hi.. My mouse server is dead, lost my mouse.  What do I want to restart from the command line?
[03:53] <JasonF> limewire is the best p2p for linux
[03:53] <Nomad411> !mouse
[03:53] <ubotu> [mouse]  Enabling extra buttons  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ManyButtonsMouseHowto or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=65471&highlight=evdev Installing extra cursor themes can be done easily with gcursor
[03:53] <wicked_> JasonF: i wont say that
[03:53] <CellarDoor> honkzilla: giFT clients allow you to connect to multiple networks - With Apollon I'm connected to Gnutella, Fasttrack, and OpenFT.
[03:53] <CellarDoor> oops
[03:53] <CellarDoor> sorry wrong nick
[03:54] <psychiccyberfrea> ok now it's working
[03:54] <psychiccyberfrea> sweet
[03:54] <Shiggz> ^^
[03:54] <CellarDoor> JasonF: Apollon is better
[03:54] <Shiggz> u can call meh if you like
[03:54] <psychiccyberfrea> whats your nick again?
[03:55] <Shiggz> shiggityshiggityshwah
[03:55] <Shiggz> = )
[03:55] <CellarDoor> what the
[03:55] <CellarDoor> wicked_: Limewire used to crash unpredictably at startup sometimes
[03:55] <CellarDoor> for me
[03:56] <CellarDoor> really annoying, it would freeze my desktop and I'd have to ctrl-alt-backspace and log back in
[04:00] <wicked_> same here
[04:01] <wicked_> i try to avoid java
[04:01] <wicked_> thats evil for my pc
[04:04] <nav> hello
[04:10] <Steven_M> hi all
[04:13] <_jordan> Shiggz, did you guys get anywhere with the wireless?
[04:13] <Steven_M> Where can I make a donation to the kubuntu project?
[04:14] <_jordan> uh...
[04:22] <Steven_M> Are any of you running kubuntu on a 64-bit intel?
[04:24] <Barbelos> Hmmm.... Can't seem to find an 'export' command on my kubuntu breezy, and I need to set an env variable. Any ideas?
[04:25] <Steven_M> Where can I make a donation to the kubuntu project?
[04:26] <Red_Herring> !donations
[04:26] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Red_Herring
[04:27] <Red_Herring> you KNOW its a linux chatroom when the kid has a nickname with startrek in it...
[04:29] <Barbelos> Ah... I DO have the 'export' command, just not in path when I'm sudo for some reason
[04:29] <al3> hey! someone could configurer msn on Kopete for kubuntu 5.04?
[04:31] <keifer> Steven_M: If the kubuntu website has information on donating money, then I can't find it. Maybe try contacting someone from http://kubuntu.org/contact.php ?
[04:34] <bimberi> Steven_M: There's http://www.ubuntu.com/donations - not sure if there's a way to donate to kubuntu specifically
[04:34] <Barbelos> loading videodev and the quickcam messenger modules gives me absolutely zero video devices in /dev. The module for the cam was compiled with gcc-3.4 and everything. Any ideas?
[04:35] <Steven_M> thanks all
[04:40] <Shiggz> OMFG!
[04:40] <Shiggz> I THINK I GOT IT!
[04:44] <murph2481> how can i see a list of currently running programs so I can kill one kinda like task manager in windows??
[04:46] <kameron> oops.
[05:00] <sean> murph2481: top if you are in the CLI, KsysGuard if in KDE.
[05:02] <murph2481> KsysGuard - Process Table thank you :)
[05:09] <GullyFoyle> hey kewl, i use irssi, so i created a konsole session type for freenode. nice trick.
[05:14] <Tallia1Kubuntu> guys
[05:14] <Tallia1Kubuntu> do you remember that orange or sheep that use to go around the screen?
[05:15] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i can't find the program!! :(
[05:15] <Tallia1Kubuntu> can you remember what it was?
[05:16] <robotgeek> Tallia1Kubuntu: kmelon
[05:23] <Tallia1Kubuntu> :)
[05:24] <Tallia1Kubuntu> is it in reps?
[05:24] <Tallia1Kubuntu> no it's not...
[05:26] <robotgeek> Tallia1Kubuntu: i just guess, it is in the repos. that's probably not what you were looking for
[05:27] <xwolf-> how do i install the samba thingie so that i can share files with a lan-but-windows user?
[05:28] <bimberi> !samba
[05:28] <ubotu> methinks samba is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SettingUpSamba or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently
[05:44] <Brujah> where can I find the directory of my mails? (kmail)
[05:46] <robotgeek> Brujah: .kde/share/apps/kmail/ maybe
[05:47] <Xaero_Vincent> KDE is better than Gnome isnt it.. its better for people who like eyecandy and lots of features... I been using Gnome.. but no matter what I do I find it ugly..
[05:48] <Brujah> same here. kde looks muh nicer!
[05:48] <Xaero_Vincent> im trying to install kubuntu-desktop... but Im getting problems
[05:48] <Xaero_Vincent> check out the latest 2 posts on pastebin and u'll see
[06:04] <xwolf-> i managed to install samba and share the file, but my windows counterpart says he cant copy
[06:04] <xwolf-> something like "Make sure disk is not full or protected bla bla bla"
[06:04] <xwolf-> any ideas?
[06:14] <geo-1> #yogya
[06:16] <robotgeek> enfact___: fix your client
[06:17] <robotgeek> geo-1: no spamming
[06:23] <soundmaster80> hi all, I'm not finding an answer in the dapper chat. I have seen someone else with this problem too. I burned an iso of dapper and my desktop will not boot from the cd
[06:23] <soundmaster80> my laptop will however
[06:33] <sniff> !dapper
[06:33] <ubotu> Dapper Drake will be the next release of Ubuntu - due June 1 (see: http://tinyurl.com/qyrkq). Join channel #ubuntu+1 for discussion :)
[06:34] <soundmaster80> well, i tried there
[06:35] <soundmaster80> apparantly this is a kubuntu problem
[06:35] <soundmaster80> i have tried the dapper ubuntu cd and no problems
[06:35] <soundmaster80> however, the kubuntu cd has only worked on my laptop
[06:36] <soundmaster80> i've tried it on about 6 different cd or dvd drives
[06:36] <soundmaster80> and 3 different pc's
[09:17] <raiden> hi, what is channel for wine help?
[09:17] <Hobbsee> !wine
[09:17] <Hobbsee> !+wine
[09:17] <ubotu> Wine is a compatibility layer used by linux to let it run the majority of windows programs. To get wine installed, download http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/wine/wine_0.9.10-winehq1-2_i386.deb then follow this guide to installing it http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=149585 More info at http://www.winehq.com or for support go to #winehq
[09:17] <raiden> nobody there...
[09:17] <raiden> its not that
[09:18] <raiden> im getting an error running a vb program
[09:18] <Hobbsee> there are people in #winehq
[09:18] <raiden> ty
[09:20] <geo-1> nick leona
[09:21] <geo-1> nick leona
[09:21] <dr3as> try with a / in from geo-1
[09:27] <MenZa> Hmm... I deinstalled KDE - now running GNOME, but a lot of my graphics seem to be replaced by KDE icons etc.... has anyone experienced something like this? And how do I recover it?
[10:04] <_vinboy> any good game for linux?
[10:06] <MenZa> _vinboy: just get cedega :)
[10:06] <_vinboy> ah.. ok
[10:06] <_vinboy> thx
[10:12] <kosh> I wonder if kubuntu can use the firefox package that opensuse has, apparently the one in opensuse uses the kde filepicker, that seems like that would integrate in kubuntu a lot more
[10:12] <kosh> ie add a firefox-kde package or something and have it conflict with the regular firefox package
[10:13] <vge> how come my new kernel dont let me connect to IRC servers, it hangs up on the "No identd (auth) response", this works fine on the 2.6.10 im using now, but not on the 2.6.17 i upgraded?
[10:14] <vge>  second, what i need to add to see the loading text when linux is booting, i get  blank screen only now from point when Grub starts loading to point where KDE starts up?
[10:15] <Hobbsee> kosh: that wouldnt work too well - what if you used both gnome and kde?
[10:16] <kosh> Hobbsee: pick which one you want to use
[10:16] <kosh> Hobbsee: choose the kde integrated one or the gnome integrated one
[10:16] <Hobbsee> not if one conficts the others...
[10:17] <Hobbsee> *other
[10:18] <kosh> Hobbsee: if they want the gnome one they install firefox, if they want the kde one they instlal firefox-kde which would remove the normal firefox and vice versa
[10:19] <Hobbsee> i guess
[10:19] <kosh> actually I still would not use firefox almost at all anyways but it is just an idea I had after reading that suse made firefox work with the kde dialog boxes
[10:20] <Hobbsee> it didnt wokr though :(
[10:20] <kosh> firefox needs its memory management redone
[10:20] <kosh> so it stops trying to manage so much memory and lets the os does its job instead
[10:20] <Hobbsee> you a programmer, by any chance?
[10:20] <kosh> that is the primary reason I don't use firefox except to test stuff and then close it immediatley
[10:20] <kosh> yeah I write db software
[10:21] <Hobbsee> you could always fix firefox, then...
[10:21] <kosh> firefox seems to use about 10x the memory that konqueror does, even with 2G of ram that ends up screwing up my db work
[10:21] <kosh> since firefox claims a bunch of memory and linux will give it that memory and cut the cache
[10:22] <kosh> Hobbsee: I might be able to, however I could probably make more of a difference on konqueror in the same length of time
[10:22] <kosh> Hobbsee: have you read the reasons for why apple based safari on khtml instead of gecko?
[10:22] <Hobbsee> quite possibly
[10:22] <Hobbsee> no i havetn
[10:22] <Hobbsee> then again, a lot more people tend to use firefox
[10:23] <kosh> yeah I know a lot do
[10:23] <kosh> however as least as of kde 3.5 konq has better css support that firefox does
[10:23] <kosh> however  firefox has the WORST memory management of any browser in usage
[10:24] <kosh> maybe they learned memory management from sun but did not learn it well enough :)
[10:24] <Hobbsee> lol
[10:24] <Hobbsee> you're reminding me of my computer assignment that i should be doing lol
[10:24] <Hobbsee> this is not good!
[10:25] <kosh> hehe
[10:25] <kosh> well java by default seems to assume it is the only app on the system and only seems to release memory when it thinks the system is running low
[10:25] <kosh> however you can configure it to behave better
[10:25] <kosh> firefox seems to do the same but without the configuration
[10:26] <kosh> opera, konqueror, safari, ie, etc don't cache the same way and they let the os make the decision on its own, so if you are doing other stuff at the same time as you have a web browser open those browsers are more system friendly
[10:45] <kameron> what's a suitable X server for old cards? i have some unknown video card on ISA on a p2 board.. i can't get X to start trying vesa and fbdev.
[10:46] <nalioth> kameron: if vesa doesnt work, you're pretty much on a server box
[10:46] <kosh> whoa vesa should work on pretty much everything
[10:46] <kosh> what card do you have?
[10:46] <kosh> have you opened it up to read the card?
[10:46] <kameron> "some unknown video card on ISA" kosh
[10:47] <kosh> yeah well make it not unknown :)
[10:47] <kameron> haha... well.
[10:52] <_vinboy> lets say i have a firefox already open
[10:53] <_vinboy> if i run another instance, it will put it right beside the old firefox
[10:53] <_vinboy> how do I make it so that the button on the taskbar just keep adding to the back instead
[10:53] <Hobbsee> _vinboy: as in, grouping similar tasks?
[10:54] <Hobbsee> right click on kicker, configure, taskbar tab, group similar tasks
[10:56] <_vinboy> Hobbsee: not grouping
[10:56] <Hobbsee> oh ok
[10:56] <_vinboy> i would like every new button on the taskbar to put at the last available space
[10:56] <_vinboy> do u remember windows?
[10:57] <_vinboy> thay have each new button put at the end
[10:57] <_vinboy> i tried to find the configuration for it.. but can't find it :(
[10:57] <kosh> I have mine only group tasks when the taskbar is full and only put items on the taskbar from the desktop I am on
[10:59] <_vinboy> ic
[10:59] <kosh> right click configure panel -> taskbar and the options are there
[10:59] <kosh> kde is very flexible in what you can do with it :)
[11:01] <_vinboy> kosh: tat is not wat i wan :D
[11:01] <kosh> I don't really know what you mean then
[11:04] <kameron> kosh, it's a ATI 28800-6
[11:04] <Libertus> Morning guys. My DNS lookups have been painfully slow since I installed a new router. Anyone else notice this?
[11:04] <tijn> !dapper
[11:04] <ubotu> Dapper Drake will be the next release of Ubuntu - due June 1 (see: http://tinyurl.com/qyrkq). Join channel #ubuntu+1 for discussion :)
[11:05] <kosh> Libertus: I have not seen any issues however I have a local caching dns server
[11:05] <Libertus> kosh: My new router acts as a DNS proxy. I think this is the problem, but Windows doesn't suffer any slowdown, just Linux
[11:06] <Libertus> Shell apps don't seem to have slowed down much, but they don't do anywhere near as much lookup as GUI
[11:07] <Libertus> I'm suspicious that IPv6 might be the problem but I have no idea how to disable it. Any clues?
[11:11] <alexnicol> Hi
[11:12] <alexnicol> trying to get the volume icon back into my system tray
[11:12] <alexnicol> any ideas?
[11:12] <lwelyn> I have a problem with the mini program of ksysguard
[11:12] <lwelyn> somebody perhaps have knowledge on this?`
[11:19] <visik7> hi
[11:19] <visik7> if I want to PAY legally mp3 from linux how can I do ? is there Itunes ?
[11:20] <Hobbsee> alexnicol: run kmix
[11:21] <alexnicol> Could not find
[11:21] <alexnicol> downloaded asmix which did the job for now :D
[11:22] <vge> what tool i can use to reduce image colours to 256?
[11:22] <nalioth> vge: gimp? krita?
[11:23] <vge> well im looking that from them, and cant find option to reduce the amount of coulours :/
[11:24] <nalioth> i'm not very good with the actual usage of those, i just know they can do it
[11:25] <vge> well i would sure like to know where are the options :/
[11:27] <lwelyn> i have a big problem with the mini programm ksysguard. if i try to get it to the bar the compelte bar crashes...
[11:32] <JohnFlux> lwelyn: what version of kde?
[11:32] <lwelyn> 3.5.2
[11:32] <JohnFlux> lwelyn: by bar you mean kicker right?
[11:32] <lwelyn> ill trry to reset the whole conig now
[11:32] <lwelyn> aye
[11:32] <JohnFlux> lwelyn: you added the applet
[11:33] <JohnFlux> lwelyn: and now trying to drag a 'sensor' from ksysguard to the applet, correct?
[11:33] <lwelyn> i edited it. i tryed to add a new sensor.
[11:33] <JohnFlux> lwelyn: by dragging a sensor from ksysguard to the applet?
[11:33] <JohnFlux> the applet is the "mini" program that sits on kicker
[11:34] <lwelyn> aha..
[11:34] <JohnFlux> lwelyn: hmm?
[11:34] <lwelyn> i understandt..perhaps this will help..
[11:34] <JohnFlux> lwelyn: any crash is bad however so let me know what's happening
[11:34] <JohnFlux> lwelyn: (I'm the maintainer)
[11:35] <lwelyn> Well, i delted the config of ksysguard. and removed it.
[11:35] <lwelyn> now ill try to reinstall it
[11:35] <kosh> hi JohnFlux
[11:35] <kosh> how is life going?
[11:36] <JohnFlux> kosh: wf kosh?
[11:36] <kosh> JohnFlux: yup
[11:36] <JohnFlux> kosh: working too much on my PhD and not enough on kde ;)
[11:36] <kosh> JohnFlux: I have the same nic on wf and freenode
[11:36] <lwelyn> damit!
[11:37] <lwelyn> JohnFlux: it dotn worked..no chance...to get this ksysguard onto the task bar
[11:37] <kosh> I want business to go better, once it is going realy well I want to fund some python and kde work
[11:37] <JohnFlux> kosh: and as you can see there's too many bugs in ksysguard :(
[11:37] <JohnFlux> kosh: which business?
[11:37] <JohnFlux> lwelyn: please explain as accurarely as you can what you are trying
[11:37] <JohnFlux> lwelyn: so I can try to fix the problem in future versions
[11:38] <lwelyn> JohnFlux: Okay. Ksysguard was showing my cpu work on the task bar and my swap. i dont use swap a lot and wanted to change this thing. then i tryed to put some other sensor from ksysguard to the task bar ksysguard.
[11:38] <kosh> JohnFlux: web apps
[11:39] <lwelyn> since then my task bar crashes ultimatly if i try to get ksysguard on it :-I
[11:40] <JohnFlux> lwelyn: not good :(
[11:40] <lwelyn> JohnFlux: tell me one thing..how can i reconfigure this damn mini prog wthout geting it on the task bar ( because this will cause a reboot... )
[11:41] <kosh> you have a crash that is causing a reboot?
[11:41] <kosh> what could kde posibly do to any unix box that would reboot it by accident?
[11:41] <lwelyn> no but...i cant work without a task bar
[11:42] <lwelyn> and this damn mini prog execute it compeltly
[11:42] <lwelyn> i cant remake it..
[11:42] <lwelyn> only with a reboot
[11:42] <kiwi_uk> Could someone point me to the Kubuntu Bugzilla please? Do we share one with Ubuntu?
[11:43] <lwelyn> i delted my ksysguardrc in tryout to fix this bug
[11:43] <lwelyn> but the one thing i reached that i cant even start this prog from my men...it was not the config i hoped..
[11:44] <kbrooks> kiwi_uk: i'll reiterate. kubuntu is not a ork of ubuntu
[11:44] <kbrooks> fork*
[11:45] <kbrooks> kiwi_uk: ubuntu doesntuse bugzilla, I think
[11:45] <kiwi_uk> kbrooks: so? Why does that prevent Kubuntu tracking bugs for its own packages?
[11:45] <kiwi_uk> kbrooks: the best I could find is Ubuntu's Malone bug tracker...
[11:45] <kbrooks> kiwi_uk: let me check the distributions
[11:47] <kbrooks> kiwi_uk: not there. checking site.
[11:47] <lwelyn> JohnFlux: so you have an idea how i can fix this stuff? or maybe how i can reconfigure this mini programm without starting it ?
[11:48] <kbrooks> kiwi_uk: http://kubuntu.org/ < has a link to bugzilla, which says its disabled
[11:49] <kiwi_uk> kbrooks: it sure does
[11:52] <_manu38_> www.google.fr
[11:57] <[nige] > !kde
[11:57] <ubotu> from memory, kde is A powerful, free desktop environment for UNIX. IRC: #kubuntu #kde ; install from Ubuntu: sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop ; ISOs: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/breezy/
[11:58] <[nige] > anyone know where I can get repos for kde 3.5?
[11:58] <kosh> [nige] : for breezy?
[11:58] <[nige] > kosh yep
[11:58] <[nige] > :)
[11:59] <[nige] > when i went to dapper, it killed X
[11:59] <kosh> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde352 breezy main
[12:00] <kosh> well you can fix x fairly easily
[12:00] <[nige] > cheers
[12:00] <kosh> just some lib locations changed
[12:00] <[nige] > i jsut reinstalled
[12:00] <[nige] > :)
[12:00] <kosh> I have not reinstalled in about 6 years :)
[12:00] <twosouls82> hi all
[12:00] <twosouls82> :)
[12:01] <[nige] > goood :) i envy you :P
[12:01] <kosh> the more you know the less often you have to reinstall
[12:02] <locomorto> Would anyone know why the kcontrol font installer doesn't install otf fonts for non KDE apps?
[12:02] <[nige] > yep yep, true I am getting better :)
[12:02] <locomorto> It seems to work in KOffice, but I don't normally use that
[12:02] <kbrooks>  06:02:47 up 2 days, 13:02,  2 users,  load average: 0.24, 0.18, 0.22
[12:02] <[nige] > you wouldnt know where to get the gpg key for kubuntu.org
[12:03] <kosh> locomorto: can you give an example of some specific apps that you don't see the fonts in?
[12:03] <locomorto> kosh: abiword, OO.o2 (write)
[12:04] <kosh> hmm they should be using fontconfig
[12:04] <DrBaltar> well guys i gotta say im inpressed
[12:05] <DrBaltar> apart from the fact i cant logg on as r00t!!!!!!!
[12:05] <kosh> locomorto: out of curiosity do you have something like gedit installed that you could see the fonts in that?
[12:05] <kosh> DrBaltar: that is by design
[12:05] <DrBaltar> nooooooooooooooooooo
[12:05] <kosh> DrBaltar: you are supposed to use sudo, there is no reason to log in as root
[12:05] <DrBaltar> so what do i do to install?
[12:05] <locomorto> Yes, gedit sees the fonts
[12:05] <DrBaltar> but if i wanted to logg in as r00t......how?
[12:05] <kosh> DrBaltar: normally you would just run adept, it will prompt you for your password
[12:06] <kosh> DrBaltar: I won't tell you that
[12:06] <kosh> DrBaltar: it is not a good idea
[12:06] <locomorto> DrBaltar: As in log into your desktop as root?
[12:06] <[nige] > i foudn it :)
[12:06] <DrBaltar> no just bog standard root
[12:06] <kosh> you should only run the bare minimum under higher security
[12:07] <kosh> if you want to do stuff manually you could always do sudo apt-get update   sudo apt-get dist-upgrade   etc
[12:07] <alexnicol> Is there a guide somewhere to update the kernel?
[12:07] <alexnicol> Trying to install VMWARE
[12:07] <locomorto> alexnicol: Hmm
[12:07] <DrBaltar> and why is it tht every linux irc chann i go in to peeps have your name autod at the begining of a sentence?
[12:07] <locomorto> I;m fairly sure you dont need too
[12:07] <alexnicol> and its confusing itself because I've got GCC installed version 4.0.5, but the kernal only reckons its 3.5.2
[12:07] <kosh> DrBaltar: it is considered polite so people know who you are talking to
[12:08] <kbrooks> alexnicol: what kind of vmware are u grabbiny?
[12:08] <DrBaltar> okies cheers :)
[12:08] <locomorto> alexnicol: what do you get when you type uname -a?
[12:08] <locomorto> alexnicol: Iin a terminal
[12:08] <kosh> DrBaltar: running as root is just a good way to get nailed, one of the primary problems with windows security is people running as admin
[12:08] <locomorto> In*
[12:08] <kbrooks> alexnicol: the kernel was ***compiled*** with 3.5.2
[12:09] <DrBaltar> kosh: i know tht but there is so much more you can do as r00t
[12:09] <DrBaltar> like installing
[12:09] <kbrooks> kosh: they have to. if they login as user,, they cant install most win32 apps
[12:09] <DrBaltar> exactly lol
[12:09] <kosh> DrBaltar: I already told you how to install apps without being root
[12:09] <locomorto> wth
[12:09] <locomorto> What on earh is whiptail?
[12:09] <kbrooks> kosh: do you agree with me?
[12:09] <DrBaltar> even the dredded nvidia drivers?
[12:09] <kosh> DrBaltar: also it is root
[12:09] <locomorto> Its eating 97% of my CPU :|
[12:10] <kosh> DrBaltar: yes use adept and it will prompt you for your password or you can use sudo
[12:10] <DrBaltar> WOW whats sudo then?
[12:10] <kosh> kbrooks: windows was designed around being admin all the time
[12:10] <locomorto> bbs
[12:10] <kosh> DrBaltar: it allows you to run a command as root without you becoming root entirely
[12:11] <DrBaltar> so like: sudo make
[12:11] <DrBaltar> etc?
[12:11] <kosh> yes
[12:12] <kosh> kbrooks: they have tried to fix some of it but the apps where designed around it, if windows was designed right you would be able to just allow the installer to run as a higher user without you logging out and logging in again
[12:12] <kosh> kbrooks: but that does not work very well on windows
[12:12] <DrBaltar> so instead of su, how do i change to sudo?
[12:12] <kosh> sudo nameofcommand
[12:12] <DrBaltar> thth it
[12:12] <kosh> and it will ask you for your password
[12:12] <kosh> to run the command
[12:13] <DrBaltar> wow tht sounds easy
[12:13] <DrBaltar> any 1 elles installed the latest nvidia drives on kubuntu?
[12:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> it is :), especialy when sudo remembers for a while
[12:14] <alexnicol> sor locomorto: Linux ubuntu 2.6.12-10-386 #1 Sat Mar 11 16:13:17 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux
[12:14] <kosh> well the latest nvidia drivers are from later december I think
[12:14] <kosh> new drivers sometime this or next week is the current information
[12:16] <DrBaltar> whats apt?
[12:17] <kosh> apt is how everything is installed on debian based sytems and kubuntu is debian derived
[12:17] <kosh> you can use adept though as a graphical front end to apt
[12:18] <DrBaltar> ahh
[12:18] <DrBaltar> i think i know most of terminal....then next thing you know summat elles comes along......like sudo, and apt lol
[12:19] <DrBaltar> ok gunna log on in kubuntu
[12:22] <kameron> does ubuntu have the XAA ATI driver in repos, that anyone knows of?
[12:25] <DeBert> Can somebody advice me on what webcam to buy for linux?
[12:26] <nanotube> what is the bast way to install skype to kubuntu dapper? deb package? compile it?
[12:27] <scarn> does dapper support RAID?
[12:28] <nanotube> scarn: yes
[12:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> nanotube: grab a deb
[12:28] <nanotube> Kamping_Kaiser: ok - thanks
[12:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> np
[12:33] <nanotube> Kamping_Kaiser: download in progress .. any know  difficulties which might occur during instal?
[12:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> nanotube: um. there was a problem with a dependancy, but i dont know if it was a kubuntu or ubuntuy problem
[12:35] <nanotube> Kamping_Kaiser: yep : libqt3c102-mt , libstdc++5
[12:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> nanotube: libstdc++5 is in the repos, the first one was the sus one
[12:36] <killian> how do i list all the apt packages to a file?
[12:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> killian: installed ?
[12:37] <killian> no
[12:37] <killian> all of them, wether installed or not
[12:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> killian: they are already in files
[12:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> the pacakge lists
[12:37] <killian> where, please?
[12:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> um.
[12:39] <Kamping_Kaiser>  /var/lib/apt/lists
[12:39] <killian> ok
[12:39] <killian> thx
[12:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> iirc
[12:40] <nanotube> Kamping_Kaiser: got a problem to install libqt3c102-mt has no installation candidate
[12:41] <nanotube> Kamping_Kaiser: However the following packages replace it: libqt3-mt
[12:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> nanotube: hm.
[12:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> wonder what ubotu says
[12:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> !tell nanotube skype
[12:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> !tell nanotube about skype
[12:42] <nanotube> Kamping_Kaiser: when trying to install libqt3-mt - skype: Depends: libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.3.3.2) but it is not installable
[12:43] <nanotube> Kamping_Kaiser: what are you trying to say :-))?
[12:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> nanotube: i dont know how to fix it :)
[12:44] <nanotube> Kamping_Kaiser: no worries dude !! thanks anyway
[12:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> np.
[12:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> feel free to keep buggin me to help if you need it ;)
[12:48] <to3> Unable to find the system utility `ld`; please make sure you have the
[12:48] <to3>          package 'binutils' installed.  If you do have binutils installed,
[12:48] <to3>          then please check that `ld` is in your PATH.
[12:48] <to3> any of you get tht with nvidia drivers?
[12:55] <vge> can somebody tell me, why i dont get bootsplash screen on my new kernel when loading to KDE?
[12:55] <vge> just black screen
[12:56] <to3> what version of opera dose kubuntu work with?
[12:56] <vge> latest
[12:57] <vge> 8.54
[12:57] <to3> i mean wich install distro
[12:57] <to3> cos ubuntu dosnt work
[12:58] <vge> be more specific, im not that guru myself neather
[12:59] <to3> syntax error near unexpected token `newline'
[12:59] <kosh> vge: you probably don't have the framebuffer stuff compiled again
[12:59] <to3> i get tht when installing the ubuntu distro of opera
[12:59] <vge> to3: www.opera.com
[01:00] <to3> yeah
[01:00] <to3> kosh: i tryed installing with sudo....was looking good then i got this:
[01:01] <to3> Unable to find the system utility `ld`; please make sure you have the
[01:01] <to3> [11:48]  <to3>          package 'binutils' installed.  If you do have binutils installed,
[01:01] <to3> [11:48]  <to3>          then please check that `ld` is in your PATH.
[01:01] <kosh> sudo apt-get install binutils
[01:01] <kosh> and then try that again
[01:02] <vge> arrgh, where is framebuffer option in kernel T_T
[01:02] <vge> thats like a jungle
[01:03] <vge> Support for frame buffer devices FB <-- this i found, under that, shoud i check "VESA VGA graphics support" too?
[01:05] <to3> ERROR: You appear to be running an X server; please exit X before
[01:05] <to3>          installing.  For further details, please see the chapter "Installing
[01:05] <to3>          the NVIDIA Driver" in the README available on the Linux driver
[01:05] <to3>          download page at www.nvidia.com.
[01:05] <to3> O_o
[01:05] <ryanakca> At startup, resolvconf fails... and I can't access web by domain name... just by ip...    I take it it's because I don't have any DNS servers... wich ones should I use...
[01:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> to3: close x....
[01:06] <to3> how i do tht my man :/
[01:07] <to3> all this to up my screen resolutio :/
[01:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[01:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> why are you installing nvidiasa driver?
[01:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> whats wrong with the one in apt?
[01:08] <to3> im new too all this as you can tell....i dont even know what apt is to tell the truth
 ok to3
[01:09] <to3> my desktop resolution will only go to 10*7 so i thought the nvidia drivers would fix it
[01:09] <to3> and slow my fan speed down
[01:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> to3: so you have a terminal open still? (konsole)
[01:09] <to3> yeah in in bash
[01:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> just a mintue
[01:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> to3: type "sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list"
[01:11] <to3> thing is about this linux, is there is no exact beginners guid.....ive even studied terminal for 2 days and dont seem to have got anywere :/
[01:11] <apokryphos> to3: there are *many* beginners' guides
[01:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> to3: i'm not using kde, so i'm helping you the only way i can :)
[01:11] <to3> okies :)
[01:12] <to3> im in a new box
[01:12] <apokryphos> !cli
[01:12] <ubotu> CLI means Command Line Interface, aka the terminal or console. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BasicCommands or http://www.linuxcommand.org/ or http://www.tuxfiles.org
[01:12] <apokryphos> to3: for KDE the best thing to check is the documentation
[01:12] <apokryphos> !kde userguide
[01:12] <ubotu> Some people juggle geese. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, apokryphos
[01:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> to3: and i belive there is help in kde?
[01:12] <apokryphos> hm
[01:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> its a dapper thing oder?
[01:12] <apokryphos> can't believe someone deleted that factoid :/ geh
[01:13] <to3> lost.....
[01:13] <apokryphos> ubotu: kde usgeruide is at http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase/userguide/index.html
[01:13] <ubotu> okay, apokryphos
[01:14] <to3> ok gunna read a few of them as well
[01:14] <to3> but would be nice to get my resolution corrected first so i can see :/
[01:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> to3: so are we still working here? :)
[01:15] <to3> im unemployed
[01:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> to3: same, its irrelevent ;)
[01:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> are *we* working ?
[01:16] <to3> was a joke but yeah lol
[01:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> ;)
[01:16] <to3> so im in this new black screen
[01:17] <to3> etc/apt/sources.list
[01:17] <apokryphos> resolution?
[01:17] <apokryphos> !resolution
[01:17] <ubotu> somebody said resolution was at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[01:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> with lots of lines of text?
[01:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> apokryphos: getting nvidia drivers
[01:17] <apokryphos> !nvidia
[01:17] <ubotu> I guess nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368
[01:17] <apokryphos> ;-)
[01:17] <to3> yeah loads
[01:18] <apokryphos> to3: though Kamping_Kaiser is good -- he'll have you covered :)
[01:18] <to3> yeah he's got me in to a black screen with loads of words :P#
[01:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> *swoons* got praise
[01:18] <to3> lol
[01:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> *anyway*
[01:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[01:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi Hobbsee
[01:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> to3: now find the lines with  with "main restricted" in tehm
[01:19] <Hobbsee> hey Kamping_Kaiser
[01:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> gday/night
[01:19] <to3> dound them
[01:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> and take away the # in front (it may already be gone)
[01:21] <to3> done
[01:21] <ryanakca> At startup, resolvconf fails... and I can't access web by domain name... just by ip...    I take it it's because I don't have any DNS servers... wich ones should I use...
[01:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> now press Ctrl+o and Ctrl+x
[01:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> (save and exit)
[01:22] <ryanakca> like what dns servers should I enter into my config?
[01:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> ryanakca: what does your resolv.conf say?
[01:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> to3: then run 'sudo apt-get update' and tell me if it fails
[01:22] <ryanakca> Kamping_Kaiser: nothing... empty file
[01:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> ryanakca: i sugest you check with your ISP for servers
[01:23] <ryanakca> kk
[01:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> unless you have an ADSL modem, in which case its usualy the modems IP
[01:23] <to3> says save file under diffrent name
[01:24] <vge> shoud i compile "VESA VGA graphics support" into my kernel?
[01:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> thats ok, it should move it into the right place, but you can save as the correct name directly
[01:26] <to3> ok done tht
[01:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> to3: did it throw out erros, or happily update?
[01:27] <to3> nothing i dont think
[01:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> try typing in 'apt-get install linux-686'
[01:28] <to3> could not open
[01:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh, sorry
[01:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> try 'sudo apt-get install linux-686'
[01:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi bimberi
[01:30] <vge> !fi
[01:30] <ubotu> Suomenkielinen keskustelu Ubuntusta kanavalla #ubuntu-fi
[01:30] <to3> eading package lists... Done
[01:31] <to3> Building dependency tree... Done
[01:31] <to3> E: Couldn't find package linux-686
[01:31] <bimberi> hi Kamping_Kaiser :)
[01:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[01:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> to3: :S sounds lke your sources.list isnt updated to what i hoped - can you paste bin it?
[01:31] <to3> dunno what tht means mate :/
[01:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. sorry :/
[01:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> !pastebin
[01:32] <ubotu> rumour has it, pastebin is http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/, a site for pasting long texts so you don't disrupt the channel - or install webboard in Gnome: http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1269
[01:32] <to3> im gunna try it all again
[01:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok.
[01:33] <to3> [12:19]  <Kamping_Kaiser> to3: now find the lines with  with "main restricted" in tehm
[01:33] <to3> [12:21]  <Kamping_Kaiser> now press Ctrl+o and Ctrl+x
[01:33] <to3> think i went wrong there?
[01:34] <to3> do i have to copy tht line?
[01:34] <cfraz89> hi
[01:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> to3: ok, first press Ctrl+o <enter>, then Ctrl+x <enter>
[01:34] <to3> or drag over it??
[01:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> cfraz89: gday
[01:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> to3: iyou missed a step
[01:35] <to3> were ?
[01:35] <cfraz89> kubuntu is really nice
[01:35] <vge> if everything works
[01:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> find teh lines , remove teh # before them, then press Ctrl+o <enter>, then Ctrl+x <enter>
[01:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> cfraz89: yeh, its not bad
[01:35] <to3> do i merely move down so the lines are in view?
[01:36] <cfraz89> not bad?
[01:36] <cfraz89> i moved to it from mandrake
[01:36] <cfraz89> i think its the best distro ive tried
[01:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> cfraz89: in that case its awsome :D
[01:36] <cfraz89> lol :)
[01:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> to3: use the up and down arrow keys to move to hte line you need
[01:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[01:36] <cfraz89> i decided to ditch mandriva after what they did to Gael
[01:36] <cfraz89> and it was really frustrating me
[01:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> was gael another disto they ate?
[01:37] <cfraz89> no
[01:37] <LeeJunFan> cfraz89: I ditched mandrake after what they did to linux, years ago. Too much bastardization and branding for me.
[01:37] <cfraz89> he was the founder of mandrake
[01:37] <cfraz89> they fired him
[01:37] <cfraz89> to cut costs
[01:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh o_0
[01:38] <cfraz89> LeeJunFan: yeah
[01:38] <cfraz89> since 10.0 the branding was really annoying yeah
[01:39] <LeeJunFan> They were so intent on branding it they did so at the expense of compatability and stability. Actually changing source code to kde just to get your branding in at the expense of having kicker not work was lame.
[01:39] <LeeJunFan> cfraz89: I got fed up with the branding at around 9.1 I think.
[01:41] <cfraz89> wow
[01:41] <LeeJunFan> Too bad too, as far as rpm distro's went they really had a lot going for them.
[01:42] <mornfall> like? :)
[01:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> um. sorry to be the one who alwasy complains - can OT go in #kubuntu-offtopic?
 to3: did it throw out erros, or happily update?
[01:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> i jsut track this chanels comment status - you ppl make it look like someone needs help :D
[01:43] <to3> happily now i did it properly :o
[01:44] <cfraz89> sorry
[01:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> to3: good :)
[01:45] <to3> what did it do lol
[01:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> to3: updated the list of pcakges hopefully
[01:45] <cfraz89> is there an easy way to permanently enable dma and 32 bit on hard drives?
[01:46] <cfraz89> surprised it wasnt default
[01:46] <to3> ohhh... but my screen resolution is still the same :/
[01:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> to3: so if you just ran `sudo apt-get update` you can run `sudo apt-get install linux-686` hopefully
[01:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> to3: we are working on it o_0
[01:47] <to3> sudo apt-get install linux-686
[01:47] <to3> wrong place lol
[01:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[01:48] <to3> Reading package lists... Done
[01:48] <to3> Building dependency tree... Done
[01:48] <to3> E: Couldn't find package linux-686
[01:48] <to3> lol there you go
[01:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[01:48] <to3> okies
[01:48] <bimberi> lol
[01:48] <to3> i think he's had enough lol
[01:49] <bimberi> nah, he's very persistent :)
[01:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> bimberi: mores teh pity :) theres times i'dlike to just walk off, but i cant
[01:52] <to3> lol
[01:52] <bimberi> Kamping_Kaiser: lol, know the feeling
[01:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> to3: can you copy the output of the "apt-get update" command and paste it at http://kubuntu.pastebin.com ?
[01:52] <to3> linux 686 tht intel only?
[01:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh
[01:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> um. i think so
[01:53] <to3> im useing athlon 64
[01:53] <to3> :/
[01:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> ah
[01:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> with a 64bit install? or 32 bit?
[01:53] <to3> 64
[01:53] <to3> i think you want to shoot me now
[01:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> apt-cache search linux-image and apt-cache search nvidia
[01:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> to3: what kubuntu are you running? breezy or dapper?
[01:57] <to3> dunno :/
[01:57] <to3> latest 1
[01:57] <to3> i got some ionfo 12 sec
[01:58] <to3> linux-image-2.6.12-9-amd64-generic
[01:58] <Kamping_Kaiser>  breezy.
[01:58] <to3> nvidia-glx - NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org driver
[01:58] <to3> nvidia-glx-dev - NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org driver development files
[01:58] <to3> nvidia-glx-legacy - NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org 'legacy' driver
[01:58] <to3> nvidia-glx-legacy-dev - NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org 'legacy' driver development files
[01:59] <to3> lol
[01:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh, its there. cool. you want the top one
[01:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> can i recomend `sudo apt-get dist-upgrade && sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx`?
[01:59] <to3> what do i do with it?
[02:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> you chew on it :) its a bit gummy untill you'v been at it for a few mintues though
[02:00] <to3> so i have to upgrade :(
[02:00] <to3> i thought this was the latest
[02:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> to3: there have been updates
[02:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> its not a 'new system' upgrade, its a "bring me up to date' upgrade
[02:01] <to3> ok updateing
[02:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> hope you have a good internet connection :)
[02:03] <to3> 75%
[02:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> o_)
[02:03] <to3> while were waiting can i ask what apt-get is?
[02:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> to3: its the backend to most of the gui package install tools available. its a wrapper around dpkg
[02:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> atualy. lets ask teh bot
[02:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> !info apt-tools
[02:05] <to3> wow theres a bot here
[02:05] <to3> !help
[02:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> !info apt
[02:05] <ubotu> apt: (Advanced front-end for dpkg), section base, is important. Version: 0.6.40.1ubuntu9 (breezy), Packaged size: 1192 kB, Installed size: 3888 kB
[02:06] <to3> !apt
[02:06] <ubotu> it has been said that apt is http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AptGetHowTo/ or http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#apt-howto
[02:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> to3: theres 3 iirc, ubotu, ubugtu and ubuntulog
[02:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> ubugtu is absent it would seem
[02:06] <to3> man thts team work
[02:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh.
[02:06] <Hobbsee> Kamping_Kaiser: ubugtu's not usually here
[02:06] <to3> ok up to date
[02:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee: yeh, but he was last time i dropped by, so i thought me might be a regular
[02:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> * regular now
[02:07] <Hobbsee> i think you'll find that was in #ubuntu
[02:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> to3: bastard :P
[02:07] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure that he was ever here
[02:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. could be
[02:07] <to3> nvidia up to date as well
[02:08] <Hobbsee> *asks*
[02:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> to3: reboot to make sure the changes applied, and you may or may not have to reconfigure x after
[02:08] <to3> ok brbr
[02:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> to3: fear Hobbsee, she has  adirect line to go (aka Seveas)
[02:08] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> *god :/
[02:08] <Hobbsee> yeah, in -motu!
[02:09] <Seveas> Hobbsee, do you want ubugtu to track bans too in here?
[02:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh.
[02:09] <Hobbsee> Seveas: that'd be cool.
[02:09] <Seveas> (hobbsee, btw: you should join the ubuntu-irc team on launchpad)
[02:09] <Hobbsee> didnt know there was one!
[02:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> i'll be back in 15 odd minutes
[02:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi Ubugtu
[02:10] <Seveas> Hobbsee, it's the team that says who can access ubugtus bantracker at http://bugbot.ubuntulinux.nl/bans.cgi
[02:10] <Hobbsee> yep, right
[02:10] <Seveas> @config plugins.bantracker.enabled True
[02:10] <Seveas> @config plugins.bantracker.enabled False
[02:10] <Seveas> @config channel plugins.bantracker.enabled True
[02:10] <Hobbsee> *nods*
[02:11] <Seveas> anyway, it tracks kicks, removes, bans and unbans now
[02:11] <Hobbsee> ok, that's cool :D  thanks
[02:11] <slow-motion> hallo
[02:12] <to3> back
[02:12] <to3> still max resolution of 10*7
[02:12] <vge> hmm, how can i see what went on past the boot, log or something?
[02:13] <to3> me?
[02:14] <Seveas> vge dmesg
[02:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> to3: run `sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> `
[02:14] <Seveas> Kamping_Kaiser, heeh
[02:15] <Seveas> anyway, I'm out of here again. Have fun with the bot
[02:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> ;)
[02:15] <Hobbsee> thanks Seveas
[02:15] <to3> Reading package lists... Done
[02:15] <to3> Building dependency tree... Done
[02:15] <to3> nvidia-glx is already the newest version.
[02:15] <to3> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[02:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh. bye sev :P
[02:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> to3: :D
[02:17] <to3> but its still the same resolution lol#
[02:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> to3: you missed my comment a few up it seems
[02:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> to3: run `sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg`
[02:18] <to3> ohhh the first time i did it i just got the above^^^
[02:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> to3: theres a setting when you walk though that to change the resolution
[02:19] <to3> okies
[02:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> sing out if you need a hand :D
[02:20] <MidMark> hi, yesterday all filesystem of my kubuntu 5.10 structure goes in fuck, fortunatelly I have backupped all my data with flight 6 live cd, the hard disk isn't broken (deep test result are ok), but how is it possible that failure? Bug?
[02:20] <MidMark> filesystem was ext3
[02:20] <to3> Select the video modes you would like the X server to use.
[02:20] <to3> how do i select lol
[02:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> to3: thtas it
[02:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> space bar :)
[02:20] <to3> it just lets me move up and down
[02:21] <to3> ohh :P
[02:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> MidMark: did you change any filesystems/partitons?
[02:21] <to3> ok done it
[02:21] <MidMark> no, I have turned on the notebook and after a filesystem check it stops asking me a manual fsck
[02:22] <MidMark> after it the system won't boot anymore
[02:22] <to3> dose it matter that i left alot of it at defauly?
[02:22] <to3> default*
[02:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> to3: not log out, press <ctrl+alt+del> and log in and it should be the big one
[02:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> to3:  should be fine
[02:22] <to3> as in skiped through the whole thing to get to the resolution part
[02:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> MidMark: hm. sounds like a bug. can you check launchpad for it?
[02:23] <MidMark> lounchpad?
[02:23] <MidMark> what is?
[02:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> http://launchpad.net/malone is where ubuntus bugtracker is
[02:24] <MidMark> ah ok
[02:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> to3 hasnt come back - hope he didnt get stuffed voer :S
[02:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> *over
[02:27] <to3> w00t it worked!!!
[02:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes!
[02:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> i was worried :)
[02:27] <to3> Kamping_Kaiser you fixed it!!!!
[02:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> i just said this -> (21:55:23) Kamping_Kaiser: to3 hasnt come back - hope he didnt get stuffed voer :S
[02:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> *over
[02:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> to3: :D
[02:28] <to3> lol
[02:29] <to3> how do i open irc logs in xchat lol
[02:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh. not sure.
[02:29] <to3> found
[02:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> wd
[02:31] <to3> is there a way i can change font size?
[02:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh. proably in the conrol area
 is there a way to know what happens mounting / with a live cd?
[02:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> MidMark: what do you mean?
[02:35] <MidMark> log file or something like that in the hard disk that doesn't boot anymore
[02:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> all logs are in /var/log
[02:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> you could try the kernel logs, but i honestly dont know the best place to look
[02:36] <MidMark> you don't know which logs exactly?
[02:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> no.
[02:38] <MidMark> ok, someone that helps me to identify the problem in my ext3 crash?
[02:38] <MidMark> if there is a bug is important to fix it
[02:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> MidMark: i sugest asking in #ubuntu, as this is a more general quesetion
[02:39] <MidMark> ok
[02:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> and its a busy chanel
[02:53] <Isil`Zha> kedit is considered untrusted?
[02:53] <Hobbsee> untrusted?
[02:54] <Isil`Zha> k might be the wrong word.
[02:54] <Isil`Zha> it brings up a message with a pretty big list of packages it doesn't consider trusted
[02:55] <to3> there a way i can view my ntfs files in this day and age?
[02:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> no3not safely
[02:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> Isil`Zha: re run apt-get update and try again
[02:56] <Isil`Zha> Kamping_Kaiser: it happened after i added the kubuntu mirrors. i did run an update right before
[02:57] <Isil`Zha> Kamping_Kaiser: though after updating / upgrading around 70 packages were held back. so i did a dist-upgrade which came up with this strange list
[02:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> Isil`Zha: kubuntu mirrors? as opposed to?
[02:58] <Isil`Zha> Kamping_Kaiser: originally i installed ubuntu and that package (don't rememeber its name) to get kde and thus kubuntu
[02:58] <MidMark> it's a so busy channel that none helps me...
[02:59] <Hobbsee> !tell to3 about mount
[02:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> kubuntu is in the main ubuntu repostories
[02:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee: ping
[02:59] <Hobbsee> !tell to3 about windowsdrives
[02:59] <Hobbsee> Kamping_Kaiser: pong
[02:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> do you think MidMark would be able to ask a question about a f*ked fsk in -devel without a flameing?
[02:59] <Isil`Zha> Kamping_Kaiser: yes i though so too but guessed that adding these mirrors couldn't do harm. obviously they do?
[03:00] <MidMark> I'm not flameing, I'm just saying that the filesystem is fucked, and this is true
[03:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> Isil`Zha: can you pste your sources list to pastebin.com
[03:00] <MidMark> but yes I can do it
[03:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> MidMark: i'm worried *you* will get flamed
[03:01] <MidMark> is there a -devel channel
[03:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh.
[03:01] <Hobbsee> Kamping_Kaiser: kde-devel, kubuntu-devel, or ubuntu-devel?
[03:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> they dont usauly like 'normal questions'
[03:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee: ubuntu-devel
[03:01] <Hobbsee> not sure - i dont hang out there much
[03:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> its a low level ubuntu issue from what i see, but i cant help with the debuging
[03:02] <MidMark> ok I'll try, let's see
[03:02] <Hobbsee> but they do tend to reroute people back to #kubuntu, when people ask stuff in kubuntu-devel
[03:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee: ditto for u-dev
[03:02] <Hobbsee> try it, if you like
[03:02] <MidMark> kubuntu-devel or ubuntu-devel is better?
[03:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> ubuntu-devel
[03:02] <Hobbsee> ubuntu-devel
[03:03] <MidMark> oook thanx
[03:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> tel tehm i sent you, because no one else could help here or in ubuntu
[03:03] <MidMark> ok thanx a lot!
[03:03] <Isil`Zha> Kamping_Kaiser: http://pastebin.com/643960
[03:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> looking
[03:05] <Riddell> Kamping_Kaiser: no, it's a user question
[03:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> Riddell: so its a devel question? or i should get stuffed ?:)
[03:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> Isil`Zha: yeh, the extra ones are the 'not trusted' ones. maybe Hobbsee can tell you if they are 'good' repos or no?
[03:06] <Hobbsee> !repos
[03:06] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[03:06] <Hobbsee> anything that's not listed in there is a bad repo
[03:06] <Hobbsee> unless it's the wine one.
[03:06] <klugez> Isil`Zha: have you added Jonathan Riddell's key to apt?
[03:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> good to know
[03:06] <klugez> kubuntu repositories are not recognized trusted if you don't do it
[03:07] <Isil`Zha> Kamping_Kaiser: i don't think so. first time i hear about that. i guess it's not automatic
[03:07] <MidMark> ok asked with NO flame at all, waiting for a respons
[03:07] <Isil`Zha> Kamping_Kaiser: but still... although these might be untrusted packages in there: how can kedit be on the list?
[03:07] <Hobbsee> Isil`Zha: you should not need deb ftp://cipherfunk.org/pub/packages/ubuntu/ breezy main
[03:08] <Hobbsee> and you dont need lines 29-31
[03:08] <Isil`Zha> Hobbsee: i needed win32codes
[03:08] <Hobbsee> they're mirrors of the same thing
[03:08] <Hobbsee> better to get it individually, then install the deb - rather than having a repo of it
[03:08] <Hobbsee> unless you know how to fix your box with force overwrites and purges, which gets kinda messy
[03:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> seveas does w32 doesnt he?
[03:09] <Hobbsee> he does
[03:09] <Hobbsee> that's probably a safer repo to use
[03:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> and scary to support
[03:09] <Hobbsee> that too
[03:09] <Isil`Zha> so should i look for his repo or better delete it all along?
[03:12] <Isil`Zha> but as we touch this topic: i didn't get this part working that well after all. both kaffeine and totem(xine) still refuse to show real-streams
[03:12] <MidMark> "ext3 bug" sounds good for ubuntu-devel :) now now more answers...
[03:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> good :)
[03:15] <MidMark> yeah /var/log/messages they said :)
[03:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh, lol. thanks :)
[03:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee: ping?
[03:17] <Hobbsee> Kamping_Kaiser: pong
[03:17] <Hobbsee> !tell Isil`Zha about seveas
[03:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. i cant hit you in The Devils Own Protocol - it rejected me o_0
[03:18] <Isil`Zha> Hobbsee: thank you
[03:18] <Hobbsee> oh really?
[03:18] <Hobbsee> i dont see you in jabber either...
[03:18] <Hobbsee> there we go :)
[03:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> nah not signed on in jabber, it crashed gaim
[03:18] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[03:19] <bdmp> When I sign in I get looped back to the log in screen. Help.
[03:19] <bdmp> in kubuntu
[03:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> bdmp: tried a safe mode (does kde have one?)
[03:20] <Seveas> Hobbsee, ping
[03:20] <bdmp> well it give me a terminal but that is it
[03:20] <Hobbsee> Seveas: pong
[03:20] <Hobbsee> what's up?
[03:21] <Hobbsee> finally got into the ban list..
[03:21] <Seveas> Hobbsee, when opped, ubugtu will kickban everyone using the DCC S*ND/st**tkeylogger exploit ;)
[03:21] <Hobbsee> found out i was using the wrong launchpad thingo...
[03:21] <Hobbsee> Seveas: yes, precisely
[03:21] <bdmp> I can start programs but there is no KDE to speak of
[03:21] <bdmp> I can't start xfce either
[03:21] <Hobbsee> Seveas: that was mostly the reason that i wanted ubugtu there in the first place
[03:21] <Seveas> ah ok, didn't know you intended him to do that
[03:21] <Seveas> hehe
[03:21] <Seveas> anyway, I came here for something else
[03:22] <Seveas> who are the main ops in here
[03:22] <Seveas> ?
[03:22] <Hobbsee> mind you, it's kinda bad when someone's using the string legitimately, and gets banned
[03:22] <Hobbsee> ah....robotgeek, myself, riddell,
[03:22] <indypende> hi all!
[03:22] <ezra_> fizzle nizzle ham in the middle
[03:22] <Seveas> Hobbsee, happened 3 or 4 times so far versus dozens of legit morons being banned
[03:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi indypende
[03:22] <Hobbsee> Seveas: oh i know!  it's great!
[03:23] <bdmp> Kamping_Kaiser: What do I do in safe mode? How do I go from here?
[03:23] <Seveas> ok, I'll add Venkat and Jonathan to the irc team
[03:23] <Hobbsee> Seveas: there's a list, somewhere
[03:23] <Seveas> Hobbsee, in chanserv ;)
[03:23] <Hobbsee> there's also one via chanserv, too
[03:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> bdmp: it wsa to find out how stuffed it is
[03:23] <Seveas> but I'm only adding the really active ones
[03:23] <Hobbsee> yeah, but i oculdnt find the syntax for that
[03:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> can you launch a konsole?
[03:23] <Seveas> the others should simply apply
[03:23] <bdmp> yeah
[03:23] <Seveas> /cs access #kubuntu list
[03:23] <to3> !kde
[03:23] <ubotu> rumour has it, kde is A powerful, free desktop environment for UNIX. IRC: #kubuntu #kde ; install from Ubuntu: sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop ; ISOs: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/breezy/
[03:24] <Riddell> Seveas: what's up?
[03:24] <Hobbsee> oh yeah, naliot*h as well
[03:24] <Hobbsee> Riddell: sorry mate...
[03:24] <to3> !apt
[03:24] <ubotu> I guess apt is http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AptGetHowTo/ or http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#apt-howto
[03:24] <Riddell> Hobbsee: why?  what did you do?
[03:25] <Seveas> Riddell, Hobbsee dragged ubugtu in here ;)
[03:25] <Hobbsee> Riddell: in the lists of active ops - using your full nick, which would act as a ping
[03:25] <Hobbsee> haha yeah, that too
[03:25] <Kamping_Kaiser>  lol
[03:25] <Seveas> Riddell, ubugtu is tracking bans now, see http://bugbot.ubuntulinux.nl/bans.cgi
[03:25] <to3> !info kde
[03:25] <ubotu> to3: Not a clue. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[03:25] <to3> !info kde
[03:26] <ubotu> kde: (The K Desktop Environment), section universe/kde, is optional. Version: 5:44ubuntu2 (breezy), Packaged size: 7 kB, Installed size: 40 kB
[03:26] <to3> !man kde
[03:26] <ubotu> to3: Not a clue. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[03:26] <Seveas> "is optional"
[03:26] <to3> !what is kde?
[03:26] <Seveas> not in #kubuntu 
[03:26] <ubotu> to3: I think you lost me on that one
[03:26] <to3> !im a n00b help kde
[03:26] <ubotu> Bugger all, I dunno. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, to3
[03:26] <Hobbsee> Seveas: mind you, if you ever happen to modify that script for konversation, let me know :P
[03:26] <Riddell> to3: what are you doing?
[03:27] <Seveas> Hobbsee, which script?
[03:27] <to3> want info on kde
[03:27] <Riddell> Hobbsee: that's fine, you can call me whenever you want :)
[03:27] <Riddell> to3: see kde.org and stop abusing ubotu
[03:27] <bdmp> Kamping_Kaiser: Yeah, I kinda am not so good on the trouble shooting problems like this. Ususally I just reinstall Kubuntu, but that is not really an option cuz I have so much stuff set the way I need it. What would you recommend I do to go about fixing this?
[03:27] <to3> abuse as in spanking?
[03:27] <Hobbsee> Seveas: the opping one which is automated
[03:27] <Hobbsee> kicks, bans, quote remove with "you should know better" - that one
[03:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> to3: dont talk to it in teh channel to much
[03:28] <Seveas> Hobbsee, ah the thing I fixed for nalioth?
[03:28] <Hobbsee> Riddell: hehe
[03:28] <Hobbsee> yeah, that's the one
[03:28] <to3> kampin why?
[03:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> to3: feel free to /msg ubotu help and have a talk
[03:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> bdmp: have you been runnign stuff like k3b with 'sudo'
[03:29] <Riddell> someone needs to ban Hobbsee so she stops getting distracted :)
[03:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol Hobbsee
[03:29] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[03:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> !tell to3 about botabuse
[03:29] <Hobbsee> hey!  i did one assignment today!  surely that's enough!
[03:29] <bdmp> I was installing Japanese input when the power went out.
[03:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh
[03:29] <to3> lol
[03:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> bdmp: can you open a konsole?
[03:30] <to3> is there a dedicated java chann?
[03:30] <bdmp> yeah
[03:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> Seveas: can we update the botabuse factoid?
[03:30] <Seveas> !botabuse
[03:30] <ubotu> You can play with me in /msg or #debian-bots without being banned.
[03:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> iirc debian-bots dont like ubuntu payers
[03:30] <Seveas> ah
[03:31] <to3> bdmp you know were?
[03:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> bdmp: run this `sudo apt-get -f install && sudo dpkg --configure -a`
[03:31] <bdmp> ok
[03:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> to3: tried #java ?
[03:32] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i'm hardly doing work anyway - reading the newspaper while chatting :P
[03:32] <bdmp> done
[03:32] <robotgeek> morning Seveas Hobbsee Kamping_Kaiser
[03:32] <Hobbsee> hey robotgeek
[03:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> hey robotgeek. wb
[03:32] <Hobbsee> morning?  it/'s not morning yet!
[03:33] <Seveas> @now melbourne
[03:33] <Ubugtu> Current time in Australia/Melbourne: April 06 2006, 23:33:18
[03:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> *sp
[03:33] <robotgeek> Seveas: yay for ban tracker!
[03:33] <Riddell> Kamping_Kaiser: in which direction?
[03:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> Riddell: the ops are winning
[03:34] <bdmp> Kamping_Kaiser: just returned. What now? Sorry ta bug ya.
[03:34] <Seveas> Kamping_Kaiser, you, bdmp and me are the users, Hobbsee robotgeek and riddell the users
[03:34] <Seveas> no winner yet 
[03:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> bdmp: np. what did you get?
[03:34] <Seveas> hmm
[03:34] <Seveas> let
[03:34] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:34] <bdmp> nothing
[03:34] <Seveas> @op
[03:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> Seveas: :)
[03:34] <bdmp> just returned
[03:34] <Seveas> MUHAHAHA
[03:34] <xwolf-> which ascii is ? O_O
[03:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[03:34] <Hobbsee> @op
[03:34] <Hobbsee> ah pity...
[03:34] <Hobbsee>  /op
[03:34] <Seveas> Hobbsee, it will only op bot owners
[03:35] <Hobbsee> works though
[03:35] <Kamping_Kaiser>  bdmp: run this `sudo apt-get -f install && sudo dpkg --configure -a`
[03:35] <Seveas> you have chanserv on your side 
[03:35] <bdmp> done
[03:35] <Isil`Zha> is it prefereable to try dapper right away or to install these 351 kde packages? i know this is not the same. i mean it in terms of getting kde 3.5. former way obviously results in a huge list of not trusted packages
[03:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> Isil`Zha: just wait for dapper, its not that long
[03:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee: take talk about op aliases into -offtopic :P
[03:36] <bdmp> Kamping_Kaiser: it just returned no packeges changed execpt one not upgrade. beyond that nothing.
[03:36] <Hobbsee> guilty as charged :P
[03:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> bdmp: did you run the dpkg --confugre -a as well?
[03:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> ;)
[03:36] <bdmp> yup
[03:36] <Isil`Zha> Kamping_Kaiser: ok thanks
[03:36] <bdmp> just returned
[03:37] <bdmp> did it twice
[03:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. bdmp right.
[03:37] <bdmp> yeah
[03:38] <bdmp> when I sign in it sits on the blue kubuntu screen for a min and then it goes black and then to the grey x screen and then back to log in. if that helps
[03:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> back
[03:39] <bdmp> how do I make myself talk in the 3rd person
[03:39] <bdmp> ?
[03:39] <Kamping_Kaiser>  /me
[03:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> :D
 seems that the failure wasn't logged, thank you for helping me anyway :)
[03:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee: The devils protocol isnt playing nice :/
[03:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> MidMark: pity, bad luck
[03:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe
[03:40] <Hobbsee> lol
[03:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> bdmp: i'm not sure what to sugest - i dont *know* whats causing it.
[03:42] <bdmp> I gotta keep trying something. I tried to install ubuntu-desktop but I got all these permission denied error and it didn't install
[03:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> o_0
[03:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> strange. root doesnt usualy get denided access (i asume you did upgrade as root....)
[03:43] <bdmp> yeah
[03:45] <bdmp> Err http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/all gnome-applets-data 2.12.1-0ubuntu1seveas4 403 forbidden
[03:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> ah
[03:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> bdmp: try mirror3.ubuntulinux.nl
[03:46] <Seveas> use a mirror, seveas.ubuntulinux.nl is not accessible outside my own home
[03:46] <bdmp> change my sources
[03:46] <bdmp> what is the sources.list location
[03:46] <bdmp> I am a bad linux user
[03:46] <Kamping_Kaiser>  /etc/apt
[03:46] <Hobbsee>  /etc/apt
[03:46] <Hobbsee> darn
[03:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. as if
[03:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[03:48] <bdmp> So i cange the url to http://mirror3.seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/?
[03:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> no, http://mirror3.ubuntulinux.nl/
[03:49] <bdmp> thanks
[03:49] <xwolf-> how big should the swap partition be?
[03:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> xwolf-: 1-1.5 times your ram
[03:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> (mind you, you only need that much if you hybinate your box)
[03:50] <Hobbsee> dont think it gets used much though
[03:50] <xwolf-> i have 206mb :>
[03:50] <bdmp> should I change my log in to the ubuntu one? Kamping_Kaiser
[03:50] <xwolf-> in a 4gb partition
[03:50] <xwolf-> 4.2gb i mean
[03:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> bdmp: dont need to
[03:51] <xwolf-> it's just in case ram gets loaded up, then swap is used, right?
[03:51] <Hobbsee> oh wow - 27% swap used!
[03:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[03:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> how unleet :P
[03:52] <Hobbsee> it's usually only at around 1%
[03:52] <xwolf-> Hobbsee  how do i see that?
[03:52] <Hobbsee> kinfocenter
[03:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> 'free'
[03:54] <xwolf-> 5% using swap :>
[03:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> Swap:            0          0          0
[03:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> 100% in use :P
[04:01] <Isil`Zha> i can't close the "KDE-SSL-Information" window any more. it keeps coming up again after i closed it
[04:02] <Isil`Zha> killing it with ctrl-alt-esc didn't help either btw
[04:03] <xwolf-> does kub have CDC ACM support?
[04:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> what? o_0
[04:04] <xwolf-> omg
[04:04] <xwolf-> you DONT know what CDC ACM is?
[04:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> -_-
[04:05] <xwolf-> me neither.
[04:05] <Isil`Zha> ^^
[04:05] <xwolf-> but well, that's what the tutorial says about having this cdc acm thingie so that i can access my cellphone
[04:06] <xwolf-> looks like cdc acm is for usb modem
[04:09] <dominik> hi i just installed kubuntu dapper drake... but amarok doesn't play any mp3s can anyone tell me where the problem is
[04:10] <Hobbsee> dominik: install libxine-extracodecs
[04:10] <xwolf-> i'd type !mp3
[04:10] <Isil`Zha> xwolf-:  might be this could give you new ideas? it's a list of possible meanings of cdc: http://abkuerzungen.de/pc/html/result.php?language=EN&abbreviation=cdc
[04:10] <dominik> adept doesn't find libxine-extracodecs
[04:11] <Hobbsee> !multiverse
[04:11] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[04:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> !info libxine-extracodecs
[04:11] <dominik> thx
[04:13] <noteventime> libxine-extracodecs, the new gstreamer0.8-mad :P
[04:23] <Isil`Zha> Kamping_Kaiser: actually i have universe and multiverse and i can't find that package too? i was just curious because might be it could help with my streaming problems
[04:23] <Isil`Zha> ops sorry. meant to refer to Hobbsee
[04:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. i'm on dapper
[04:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> is the package on breezy?
[04:24] <Isil`Zha> dapper gets more and more tempting... ^^
[04:24] <Hobbsee> no, libxine-extra codecs is in dapper...
[04:24] <Hobbsee> !info libxine-extracodec
[04:25] <Hobbsee> !info libxine-extracodecs
[04:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> have to add dapper to the end odre?
[04:25] <Isil`Zha> i tried this. the bot didn't like it
[04:25] <Hobbsee> !info libxine-extracodecs dapper
[04:25] <ubotu> libxine-extracodecs: (the xine video/media player library, binary files), section multiverse/libs, is optional. Version: 1.1.1+ubuntu1-2 (dapper), Packaged size: 1148 kB, Installed size: 2976 kB
[04:25] <Hobbsee> !info libxine-extracodecs
[04:25] <Hobbsee> must be breezy only then
[04:25] <Hobbsee> !mp3
[04:25] <Glin|Jol> Winamp not Running
[04:25] <ubotu> from memory, mp3 is a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[04:26] <_rolf> hi
[04:27] <Nookie^> !wma
[04:27] <ubotu> [restricted]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats  Most of the formats listed here can be replaced by !FreeFormats
[04:27] <Isil`Zha> how badly is the dapper edge still bleeding?... ^^
[04:28] <Hobbsee> depends....
[04:29] <bdmp> Kamping_Kaiser: that ubuntu-desktop thing didn't work. Do you know how I can change the log in thing to the ubuntu one. That might let me log in, I was thinking...
[04:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> when teh screen come up to put in your username/password, click "sesion"
[04:31] <bdmp> Not tehe sesson but the log in screen. I can't get past the kubuntu log in so maybe the ubuntu one would let me
[04:37] <soundmaster80> i just wondered if anyone in here has figured out the boot problem with dapper kubuntu
[04:40] <bdmp> When I log in with the console and I do startx I get the gray screen and then it goes back to the console. When I get back to the console it says a lot of stuff some of it being:
[04:40] <bdmp> Skipping"/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a:m_debug_clip.o": No symbols found
[04:40] <bdmp> and
[04:40] <bdmp> Warning: font renderer for ".pcf" already registered at priority 0
[04:40] <bdmp> and
[04:40] <bdmp> waiting for X server to shut down.
[04:40] <bdmp> Everything else is simialr to those errors. Could this be what is looping me back to the log in screen?
[04:40] <soundmaster80> hey barb
[04:40] <soundmaster80> I'm having your problem
[04:41] <bdmp> really don't have dapper
[04:41] <bdmp> I had the power shut off and when I came back I had this.
[04:41] <Barbelos> soundmaster80:Which problem? Not booting the CD? I found a solution, though several have the same problem on computers that should be able to boot CDs, should be reported
[04:42] <soundmaster80> yeah i did confirm it on the bugzilla
[04:42] <soundmaster80> i tried 6 different drives on 3 pc;s
[04:43] <soundmaster80> i also tried the smb.bin from the cd to a floppy. it did boot the menu but i cannot install from there
[04:43] <Barbelos> soundmaster80: You can't install from there? What do you mean?
[04:43] <soundmaster80> after i select
[04:44] <Barbelos> soundmaster80: Hmmm... Haven't actually tried here yet, just tested that the boot floppy would allow me to start from the CD, just reset after the menu thinking it would be ok
[04:44] <soundmaster80> install to hard disk, it opens the vmlinux, booting the kernel...ok, a couple other lines that go by to quick, i get a blank screen and i'm still there
[04:44] <soundmaster80> i thought so too but nope
[04:45] <soundmaster80> at least not for me
[04:45] <Barbelos> soundmaster80: Will try starting the install here soon myself. Will report how it goes. I suppose you checked the integrity of the CD too?
[04:45] <soundmaster80> had I time i would test it on my other pc's
[04:45] <soundmaster80> can't from the menu :(
[04:45] <soundmaster80> tried that
[04:46] <Barbelos> soundmaster80: Did you try with nolapic and acpi=off? Just an idea
[04:46] <soundmaster80> but I would assume it's fine. i had no problems on monday installing it to my laptop
[04:46] <Barbelos> soundmaster80: Anyway, will test it here and see
[04:46] <soundmaster80> now dumb me has no desktop.
[04:46] <Barbelos> soundmaster80: Don't see why the floppy shouldn't get you into a working install though.
[04:47] <soundmaster80> lol, it gets me a working menu...thats it
[04:47] <Barbelos> soundmaster80: No desktop? You wiped your old one?
[04:47] <soundmaster80> i hadn't had breezy on there but a couple weeks
[04:47] <soundmaster80> and the install was flawless on my laptop...
[04:49] <soundmaster80> i have a couple others for the things i do but i'm already suffering beginning withdrawls
[04:49] <soundmaster80> anywho, i have class in a hour or so, need to get ready..
[04:50] <soundmaster80> please post your results on the kubuntu forums page and we might continue there
[04:52] <slow-motion> bbl
[04:55] <dominik> is there a way to generate automaticly a menu for fluxbox in kubuntu?
[05:05] <Obst> Hi dudes
[05:06] <Obst> Anyone knows how i can write on ntfs partitions?
[05:10] <xwolf-> Obst looks like linux has problems with that
[05:15] <Obst> damn.. that since 6 jeahrs?
[05:16] <mindspin> blame microsoft for it
[05:19] <h3sp4wn> Obst: Captive-NTFS Can do it but its not supported as part of ubuntu and requires then windows ntfs drivers
[05:22] <h3sp4wn> Obst: Or you can buy paragon ntfs for linux - for $20
[05:25] <Obst> puh
[05:25] <Obst> i have installed my new kernel per apt (.deb)
[05:25] <Obst> where i can find the headers?
[05:26] <h3sp4wn> Obst : they are a seperate package
[05:27] <Obst> i have installed that too
[05:27] <h3sp4wn> Obst: kernel-headers-(arch)
[05:28] <h3sp4wn> Obst: /usr/src/
[05:31] <ubuntu> i had origionally downkloaded the ubuntu live cd, and now i am running the kubuntu live DVD.  I like the fact I can install from teh live dvd, but do not like the gui as much as the straight ubuntu.  I dont think i like kde... any suggestions for a noob?
[05:32] <m5m> I'm trying to add my wife (only other user on my system) to the admin group so she can sudo and admin printers...  I'm having trouble can anyone guide me?
[05:33] <m5m> if I go to Users & Groups, administrator mode and select her name then "modify" nothing happens
[05:34] <m5m> wait nm ignore me I think I figured it out :-P
[05:34] <ubuntu> can I change kubuntu to gnome, or whatever the ubuntu orig uses?
[05:35] <m5m> ubuntu: yes sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop I think
[05:41] <runelind> hmm...I seem to have lost my volume control, where do I add it back in?  I'm not seeing it under Add Applet
[05:44] <nico8481> hi
[05:46] <vge> runelind: try apt get program called tkmixer, might seem familiar if you like it
[05:46] <runelind> I really just liked the simple volume control that kde had, I don't know where it went
[05:47] <robotgeek> runelind: alt + f2, kmixer
[05:48] <runelind> hmm...can't find it
[05:48] <runelind> probably my problem
[05:49] <runelind> oh
[05:49] <runelind> kmix
[05:49] <runelind> there it is <3
[05:49] <runelind> I wonder why it is not starting on boot
[05:50] <runelind> I'll put it in .kde/Autostart I guess
[05:51] <runelind> I have a password protected private key.  Is there a way I can get kde to ask for the password on boot?
[05:51] <_ravn> Hey all. I downloaded the codec pack from mplayerhq. How do I install it. :)
[05:51] <runelind> _ravn: automatix
[05:51] <robotgeek> ubotu: tell _ravn about w32codecs
[05:51] <robotgeek> !automatix
[05:51] <ubotu> I heard automatix is unsafe, it overwrites configuration files, and does things like "echo -e 'y\nY\n'" that are considered risky. Please do not use it. There are alternative applications, but it's often best to read the documentation.
[05:51] <vge> runelind: how you get it not to ask your password?
[05:52] <_ravn> Ehm, say what??
[05:52] <runelind> vge: no, I just want it to prompt me to put in my password for my private key
[05:52] <_ravn> :)
[05:52] <runelind> cause I always forget, and then when I try to ssh somewhere it asks me
[05:52] <vge> icic, cant help you on that sry
[05:53] <_ravn> robotgeek: apt-get install w32codecs ?
[05:54] <robotgeek> _ravn: get the codecs and sudo dpkg -i w32codecs<blah>.deb
[05:55] <_ravn> Okay, thanks. I dont know what that meant. I new at linux
[05:55] <_ravn> iM*
[06:03] <runelind> are you the same Cheapy that hangs out in #windows2000 on efnet?
[06:05] <Cheapy> yes
[06:06] <Cheapy> i just hang out there and i don't use kubuntu or windows2000 anymore :S
[06:06] <Cheapy> because i'm very lazy with partitions
[06:06] <_ravn> does anyone have a little spare time. I am a pretty fast learner, but I have no idea what the different things mean. I have downloaded the codec pack from mplayerhq, and it is on my desktop. How u i install it?
[06:07] <_ravn> all help is really appreciated
[06:07] <runelind> Cheapy: do they have good gargoyle porn here?
[06:07] <Cheapy> no haha
[06:08] <_ravn> btw, i tried google
[06:16] <v_> hi all...i am trying to update breezy badger 5.10 to use kde 3.5.1  ...i followed the instructions on http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-351.php but i cant seem to make it work
[06:16] <v_> when i do a apt-get dist-upgrade, i get:
[06:16] <v_> The following packages have been kept back: akregator ark artsbuilder kaddressbook kamera kappfinder karm kate
[06:16] <v_> etc
[06:16] <v_> any clues?
[06:29] <theripper> is this noob support channel for kubuntu ?
[06:30] <theripper> hello?
[06:31] <v_> hi
[06:31] <vge> theripper: all lvls are supported
[06:31] <theripper> i have the latest kubuntu build installed
[06:31] <vge> dapper?
[06:32] <theripper> my kde gets corrupted with any resolution besides
[06:32] <theripper> yes dapper
[06:32] <vge> try #ubuntu+1
[06:32] <v_> vge any idea with my problem?  trying to upgrade kubuntu 5.10 to kde 3.5.2
[06:32] <theripper> ok , thank you
[06:32] <v_> keep getting "the following packages have been held back"
[06:32] <v_> not too sure what to do now
[06:33] <apokryphos> v_: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade, instead
[06:34] <v_> apokryphos: i did that...same thing
[06:34] <v_> vgoel@flanker:~$ sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:34] <v_> Password:
[06:34] <v_> Reading package lists... Done
[06:34] <v_> Building dependency tree... Done
[06:34] <v_> Calculating upgrade... Done
[06:34] <v_> The following packages have been kept back:
[06:34] <apokryphos> you get "packages held back"? Odd.
[06:34] <apokryphos> v_: please don't paste in here :)
[06:34] <v_> ok sorry
[06:34] <apokryphos> could you pastebin the full output
[06:34] <apokryphos> ?
[06:34] <v_> pastebin?
[06:35] <mindspin> !paste
[06:35] <ubotu> Don't flood the channel! Please use the pastebin at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ or the channel #flood to paste large amount of text.
[06:35] <v_> done
[06:35] <apokryphos> link?
[06:35] <mindspin> paste the url
[06:36] <v_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11603
[06:36] <v_> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde352 breezy main
[06:36] <v_> is in /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:36] <v_> did sudo apt-get update
[06:37] <apokryphos> v_: is kubuntu-desktop installed?
[06:37] <v_> hmm
[06:37] <v_> doesnt look like it
[06:37] <v_> weird
[06:37] <apokryphos> go for it, then
[06:38] <v_> broken dependencies
[06:38] <v_> kmail
[06:38] <v_> and ksysguard
[06:38] <apokryphos> v_: pastebin?
[06:38] <jason_> how do i replace kde with gnome in kubuntu?
[06:39] <vge> !gnometokubuntu
[06:39] <ubotu> vge: I don't know, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[06:39] <vge> heh
[06:39] <v_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11604
[06:39] <apokryphos> jason_: remove some vital gnome lib
[06:40] <jason_> can i just apt-get gnome?
[06:40] <apokryphos> jason_: oh, replace *with* gnome, sorry, misread.
[06:40] <v_> apokryphos: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11604
[06:40] <apokryphos> jason_: install ubuntu-desktop and remove something like kdelibs*
[06:41] <jason_> how? extreme linux n00b.
[06:41] <apokryphos> v_: what happens if you try to install kdelibs4c2 ?
[06:41] <apokryphos> jason_: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop && sudo apt-get remove kdelibs*
[06:41] <v_>   kdelibs4c2: Depends: libavahi-client1 (>= 0.5.2) but it is not installable
[06:41] <v_> apokryphos: that
[06:42] <MacAnthony> why not just install ubuntu jason_?
[06:42] <v_> weird
[06:42] <apokryphos> v_: wait, you definitely have the full kde 3.5 repo there?
[06:42] <v_> apokryphos: shrug...i installed kubuntu 5.10 this morning
[06:43] <v_> i think i might have messed something up
[06:43] <jason_> whenever i apt-get (as root) i get some lock error..
[06:43] <v_> no idea how to fix it
[06:43] <apokryphos> v_: and trying to install libavahi-client1  gives?
[06:43] <v_> Package libavahi-client1 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[06:44] <v_> doh doh
[06:44] <jason_> why cant i apt?
[06:44] <MacAnthony> jason_: adept is probably running
[06:44] <mindspin> v_ kde3.4.1 is definitely uncommented in your sources.list?
[06:44] <jason_> i closed adept
[06:44] <v_> you mean 3.5.2?
[06:44] <MacAnthony> sudo killall adept
[06:45] <mindspin> jason do an sudo ps aux |grep adept
[06:45] <v_> i dont have kde3.4.1 in my sources.list at all
[06:45] <apokryphos> v_: pastebin your sources.list?
[06:45] <jason_> still lock error
[06:45] <mindspin> jason do an sudo ps aux |grep adept
[06:45] <mindspin> on console
[06:45] <v_> apokryphos: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11606
[06:46] <mindspin> the cdrom is not uncommented
[06:46] <MacAnthony> I'm still curious why you have kubuntu installed if you don't want kde, jason_
[06:46] <vge> anyone know a program like paint to kde, something simple?
[06:46] <v_> i think i screwed something up earlier since i found this link and followed the instructions and it deleted kdesktop-ubuntu, kmail et
[06:46] <v_> etc
[06:46] <v_> http://www.madpenguin.org/cms/?m=show&id=5668
[06:47] <v_> didnt realise 3.5.2 was available until later
[06:47] <mindspin> put an # in front of the first entry (your cd)
[06:47] <apokryphos> v_: those instructions are fine, but looks to me like you mucked up something earlier
[06:47] <jason_> it was the only dvd install i could find, and thought it was like the ubuntu live cd i dl'ed.  like i said, linux n00b, but i liked mt live cd better than this...
[06:48] <v_> mindspin: same thing
[06:48] <mindspin> mh
[06:48] <v_> do i have to reinstall?
[06:48] <v_> or is there a way to recover
[06:48] <MacAnthony> I think you can install ubuntu from the live cd, IIRC
[06:49] <mindspin> if it's a freshh install it could be faster than fiddling out where you messed it up
[06:49] <v_> yeah it is pretty much a fresh install
[06:49] <v_> i dont know where i messed up
[06:49] <v_> i just followed what apt told me
[06:49] <v_> sigh
[06:49] <apokryphos> v_: try doing sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get remove kdelibs* && sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[06:49] <v_> apokryphos: ok..sec
[06:50] <v_> heh its removing a lot of stuff
[06:50] <apokryphos> indeed
[06:50] <v_> ok its gonna stop kdm..guess this will kill my session...i will be back in a bit here
[06:51] <v_> oh wait
[06:51] <v_> i can keep it running
[06:51] <apokryphos> v_: yeah
[06:51] <apokryphos> once it's finished make sure you restart x
[06:51] <v_> doh
[06:51] <v_> lots of unmet dependencies
[06:51] <apokryphos> on installing kubuntu-desktop?
[06:51] <v_> yep
[06:51] <apokryphos> pastebin?
[06:51] <v_> hold on will pastebin ti
[06:52] <v_> it
[06:52] <apokryphos> thanks
[06:52] <v_> apokryphos: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11608
[06:53] <apokryphos> hm, this might not be the reason for the problem at all, but try enabling the Universe and Multiverse repository in your sources.list
[06:53] <apokryphos> then re-doing a sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[06:54] <v_> trying
[06:54] <v_>   kubuntu-desktop: Depends: kdegraphics-kfile-plugins but it is not going to be installed
[06:54] <v_> much better i guess :/
[06:55] <v_> only 1 dependency
[06:55] <jason_> after installing ubuntu-desktop, do i need to apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop or just kdelibs?
[06:55] <XVampireX> Hi
[06:55] <XVampireX> I'm having some problems
[06:55] <apokryphos> jason_: doing the latter forces the former
[06:55] <jason_> thx
[06:55] <apokryphos> v_: trying to install that manually?
[06:55] <v_> apokryphos: trying
[06:56] <v_> apokryphos: it fails on
[06:56] <v_>   libpoppler0c2-qt: Depends: libpoppler0c2 (= 0.4.2-0ubuntu6) but 0.4.2-0ubuntu6.6 is to be installed
[06:56] <XVampireX> I can't launch warsow because, and when I do, my mouse suddenly freezes in top left of the screen (Still in linux desktop)
[06:56] <apokryphos> v_: what if you install that manually?
[06:56] <apokryphos> apt problems like this often need to regress far ;-)
[06:56] <v_> libpoppler0c2 is already the newest version.
[06:57] <apokryphos> v_: dpkg -l|grep libpoppler0c2 ?
[06:57] <apokryphos> !info libpoppler0c2
[06:57] <ubotu> libpoppler0c2: (PDF rendering library), section libs, is optional. Version: 0.4.2-0ubuntu6.6 (breezy), Packaged size: 406 kB, Installed size: 1140 kB
[06:57] <v_> ii  libpoppler0c2                          0.4.2-0ubuntu6.6                   PDF rendering library
[06:57] <XVampireX> And the same just happened while trying to play Enemy Territory mod, well, it worked but when I got into a server it did the same (Freeze mouse cursor on top left)
[06:58] <XVampireX> Can anyone please help me?
[06:58] <apokryphos> v_: argh. That doesn't make sense.
[06:58] <v_> apokryphos: :(
[06:58] <apokryphos> one sec
[06:58] <apokryphos> v_: are you on i386?
[06:58] <robotgeek> v_: i think you need to have updates enabled
[06:58] <v_> apokryphos: yes
[06:58] <v_> robotgeek: ?
[06:59] <apokryphos> gah, yes, that could be it
[06:59] <robotgeek> v_: breezy-updates in sources.list
[06:59] <v_> deb http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-updates main restricted
[06:59] <v_> is uncommented
[06:59] <apokryphos> v_: and breezy-backports in there
[06:59] <apokryphos> yup, that's it
[07:00] <apokryphos> in breezy-backports: 0.4.2-0ubuntu6: amd64 i386 powerpc
[07:00] <v_>  deb http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[07:00] <apokryphos> that's it
[07:00] <v_> it is uncommented
[07:00] <apokryphos> ok, one sec
[07:00] <jason_> trying to remove kdelibs gives me the lock error...
[07:00] <jason_> do i need to reboot into gnome first?
[07:01] <jason_> i cant use konsole to remove kde can I?  doesnt seem like i could
[07:01] <XVampireX> Jason_ you can
[07:01] <jason_> how?
[07:01] <XVampireX> sudo apt-get remove kde-desktop or something like that
[07:01] <apokryphos> v_: wget http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/p/poppler/libpoppler0c2_0.4.2-0ubuntu6_i386.deb && sudo dpkg -i libpopp*.deb
[07:02] <jason_> Could not open lock file....
[07:02] <XVampireX> Hmm
[07:02] <jason_> ...Permission Denied
[07:02] <xwolf-> sudo?
[07:02] <XVampireX> You need your root password
[07:02] <jason_> in root
[07:02] <v_> apokryphos: woo...somethings happening ;)
[07:02] <jason_> just let me apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[07:03] <XVampireX> you can do that
[07:03] <apokryphos> I have to shoot off to dinner
[07:03] <apokryphos> I'll help when I'm back if I can =)
[07:03] <v_> apokryphos: bingo!
[07:03] <jason_> took awhile, but now i apt-ger remove kdelibs it get the lock error
[07:03] <XVampireX> No one wants to help me fix this...
[07:03] <v_> apokryphos: thanks for your help man...you rule
[07:03] <jason_> apokryphos - ditto
[07:03] <NyX_Sp00nKilla> hey all
[07:04] <XVampireX> Jason_: do apt-cache search kde and then remove everything related to kde
[07:04] <NyX_Sp00nKilla> I'm noob on kubuntu and I'd like too know where I can find list of existing packets ?
[07:04] <mindspin> XVampireX: I even don't know warsaw so I cannot help even if I want ....
[07:04] <jason_> brb
[07:04] <robotgeek> jason_: sudo apt-get remove libqt3-mt
[07:04] <v_> NyX_Sp00nKilla: packets or packages?
[07:05] <NyX_Sp00nKilla> packages
[07:05] <NyX_Sp00nKilla> sorry
[07:05] <XVampireX> mindspin: It doesn't happen just in warsow, it happened in Enemy Territory mod (The elite one... whatever it was)
[07:05] <Lilfade> anyone know any good mmorpg's for kubuntu?
[07:05] <XVampireX> For some reason it locks/freezes my mouse cursor in top left of the screen and I can't do anything
[07:05] <v_> NyX_Sp00nKilla: adept
[07:05] <XVampireX> lilfade: Yeah
[07:05] <v_> brb
[07:06] <NyX_Sp00nKilla> adept ?
[07:06] <Lilfade> what r they?
[07:06] <NyX_Sp00nKilla> is it a command ?
[07:06] <XVampireX> Lilfade: planeshift
[07:06] <Lilfade> link?
[07:06] <XVampireX> and there are few others
[07:06] <XVampireX> www.planeshift.it
[07:06] <XVampireX> But this is the only real 3d one
[07:07] <_nick> Is there anyway to install a i386 package on my A64 install? I know I have a lib32 and lib64 directory, just not sure how to install some i386 stuff
[07:07] <XVampireX> By the way, don't forget that java games work on linux too, so whatever game you know that's written in java (For example, runescape) works on linux.
[07:07] <Lilfade> cool thx
[07:07] <Lilfade> well g2g laters
[07:07] <XVampireX> There are some other indie games
[07:08] <xwolf-> .. but you're late to tell him :)
[07:08] <XVampireX> him or her
[07:08] <xwolf-> it.
[07:08] <XVampireX> maybe
[07:08] <XVampireX> Still
[07:08] <XVampireX> Someone has got to help me
[07:08] <NyX_Sp00nKilla> v_ is there a web page where I can see them ?
[07:09] <cyrus> hi all
[07:10] <XVampireX> Is there a gaming channel for linux here?
[07:11] <cyrus> i can't install aptitude install fakeroot java-package
[07:11] <cyrus> package not found
[07:11] <XVampireX> !java
[07:11] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadebs
[07:11] <cyrus> i added aptitude install fakeroot java-package
[07:11] <XVampireX> cyrus, go there
[07:11] <cyrus> i am there
[07:11] <XVampireX> Follow what they tell you
[07:11] <XVampireX> from A to B to C, don't skip
[07:12] <cyrus> i tryed to add the multiserve path
[07:12] <cyrus> and made the update
[07:12] <XVampireX> multiverse
[07:12] <cyrus> i stil can't find the package
[07:12] <XVampireX> You want to install latest java?
[07:12] <XVampireX> or what?
[07:12] <cyrus> yes sdk 1.5
[07:12] <XVampireX> Ah, sdk...
[07:13] <XVampireX> sec, I don't know about sdk but it should be the same as not the sdk
[07:13] <cyrus> i did this
[07:13] <cyrus> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats?action=show&redirect=Java#head-e2ebd70ede0e3eb2117ffbd618d2295dd1540dca
[07:13] <cyrus> i tryed to do it
[07:13] <cyrus> but i can't install the fakeroot java packet
[07:13] <cyrus> what is needed to make a deb package
[07:14] <cyrus> for the bin file
[07:14] <XVampireX> Did you chmod +x it?
[07:14] <NyX_Sp00nKilla> I'm noob on kubuntu and I'd like too know where I can find list of existing packages ?
[07:14] <cyrus> yes
[07:14] <XVampireX> cyrus: You need to download it first from their page
[07:15] <LeeJunFan> Todays lesson on how to make friends with linux: reboot 20 workstations simultaniously while they are in use at the library you just setup with kubuntu thick clients.
[07:15] <XVampireX> and then make it an executable (chmod +x filename.extension)
[07:15] <NyX_Sp00nKilla> lol
[07:15] <cyrus> already done
[07:15] <cyrus> the problem is the fakeroot command
[07:15] <cyrus> to build a deb pacakge form bin file
[07:15] <cyrus> because i can't install fakeroot
[07:16] <XVampireX> you need sudo apt-get install
[07:16] <cyrus> package not found
[07:16] <cyrus> already done
[07:16] <cyrus> no work
[07:16] <XVampireX> sudo apt-get install fakeroot java-package java-common
[07:16] <XVampireX> and that doesn't work?
[07:16] <cyrus> no
[07:16] <XVampireX> Does it say cannot find fakeroot?
[07:16] <LeeJunFan> NyX_Sp00nKilla: NyX_Sp00nKilla you can use adept and search the database of available packages. you probably want to add universe repositories too.
[07:16] <cyrus> i added the multiserve source
[07:16] <XVampireX> You need to enable BOTH universe and multiverse
[07:16] <cyrus> i enabled every thing
[07:17] <cyrus> and made an update
[07:17] <cyrus> still no package
[07:17] <XVampireX> Are you sure?
[07:17] <cyrus> yes i am
[07:17] <XVampireX> Weird
[07:17] <NyX_Sp00nKilla> plz, what's Adept ?
[07:17] <Kyral> !adept
[07:17] <XVampireX> NyX_Sp00nKilla: Adept is a package manager
[07:17] <NyX_Sp00nKilla> adept, sorry. Is it a command ?
[07:17] <LeeJunFan> NyX_Sp00nKilla: open adept and use the manage repositories function and right click and enable the universe repos.
[07:18] <bge> Hi friends, I have done apt-get upgrade today and now my machine is not booting
[07:18] <LeeJunFan> NyX_Sp00nKilla: yeah, it should be in your kde start menu.
[07:18] <cyrus> i removed ## in /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:18] <ubotu> hmm... adept is a package manager for Kubuntu. A howto is provided here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[07:18] <NyX_Sp00nKilla> ok, so I certainly need to install it by apt-get ?
[07:18] <XVampireX> cyrus you're not supposed to, all you have to do is enable universe and multiverse, that simple.
[07:18] <XVampireX> Check again see if it's got universe and multiverse
[07:18] <cyrus> i enabled every thing
[07:19] <XVampireX> Check it again
[07:19] <cyrus> mom
[07:19] <NyX_Sp00nKilla> sorry, I just installed the server and choose to install only what I need, cuz it's for a server with few memory
[07:19] <cyrus> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[07:19] <cyrus> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[07:19] <cyrus> multiserves
[07:20] <XVampireX> you enabled it? You need to enable it in either synaptic or adept I think
[07:20] <cyrus> eb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-security universe
[07:20] <cyrus> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-security universe
[07:20] <cyrus> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-security universe
[07:20] <cyrus> yes its enabled
[07:21] <NyX_Sp00nKilla> I need to change it I think, yes
[07:21] <cyrus> mybee i can try to add this eb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-security universe
[07:21] <cyrus> mybee i can try to add this eb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy universe
[07:22] <NyX_Sp00nKilla> OK, thx for ur help, i'll try what u said
[07:22] <XVampireX> It's not eb, it's deb
[07:22] <XVampireX> it stands for debian
[07:22] <LeeJunFan> cyrus: you should also append your 2 letter country code to the beginning. ie - us.archive.ubuntu.com
[07:22] <bge> list
[07:23] <XVampireX> By the way people, I'm gonna show you I got a little problem with viewing media in the browser, it always says (no picture) or something like that
[07:23] <xanax`> hello
[07:23] <cyrus> i added that leejunfan
[07:23] <cyrus> made en update again
[07:23] <cyrus> still no packet
[07:24] <XVampireX> do apt-cache search java-package
[07:24] <NyX_Sp00nKilla> OMG, I don't have KDE yet, cuz server install only, so I can't use adept sems, that's why i'd like to find internet link like i got it for debian http://packages.debian.org/unstable/allpackages
[07:24] <XVampireX> It will search this in the repositories
[07:25] <XVampireX> If it's not there, then you certainly did something wrong with enabling universe and multiverse
[07:25] <ninniuz> hi I just noticed there is no Display settings menu anymore
[07:25] <ninniuz> where is it?
[07:25] <XVampireX> You want kde or kubuntu, NyX_Sp00nKilla ?
[07:25] <ep>  and I lose sound everwhere but within it.  Any idea, how to fix this?
[07:26] <ninniuz> the one with screen resolution and stuff
[07:26] <XVampireX> If you want kubuntu then do sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[07:26] <XVampireX> if you want kde then do sudo apt-get install kde-desktop
[07:26] <XVampireX> I think it's kde-desktop, I'm not sure
[07:26] <pussfeller> how do i make Konsole use all the fonts
[07:27] <ep> Ordinally, sound works great, note it's shared between multible apps. However, when I run this one Java based application I like, I'll lose sound everywhere but within it.
[07:27] <pussfeller> like this nifty D00M font i got here
[07:27] <cyrus> hmm it is still not working :(
[07:27] <ep> Any idea how to fix?
[07:27] <NyX_Sp00nKilla> I just want a server without graphic for the moment, cuz not a lot's of ram, and I need a weeb link to find it
[07:27] <XVampireX> cyrus: also keep in mind, linux is case sensitive
[07:28] <XVampireX> NyX_Sp00nKilla: KDE takes more ram than Gnome
[07:28] <cyrus> now i try the us package
[07:28] <NyX_Sp00nKilla> yes, but I don't want gnome or kde, it's for a server only
[07:28] <pussfeller> you cant uninstall all the kde and gnome stuff one you get done
[07:28] <pussfeller> err can
[07:28] <XVampireX> During install, you can choose if you want server.
[07:29] <ninniuz> what about a network install?
[07:29] <NyX_Sp00nKilla> yep, and I choose server
[07:29] <XVampireX> Yeah, it's supposed to install the core
[07:29] <pussfeller> server borked for me, when I tried it on one of the disks
[07:29] <ninniuz> does anyone have kde 3.5.2?
[07:29] <XVampireX> And if you want graphical server you might want to try xfce4 I hear it's very lightweight
[07:29] <cyrus> hmm strange
[07:30] <pussfeller> or fluxbox
[07:30] <XVampireX> cyrus: You must have done something wrong with universe and multiverse
[07:30] <NyX_Sp00nKilla> but now, I don't really know the packages name, that's why i'd like to find a weblink like the one I have for debian  (http://packages.debian.org/unstable/allpackages
[07:30] <bge> is there any way I can reconfigure entire startup scripts to default, including module configuration
[07:30] <cyrus> is the package: fakeroot java-package   showen if i use this command apt-cache search fakeroot
[07:30] <XVampireX> it would show things related to fakeroot
[07:31] <XVampireX> and java-package
[07:31] <XVampireX> but, don't use both
[07:31] <XVampireX> wait, let me check
[07:31] <ninniuz> pls can anyone tell me if they can get the Display menu from rmb --> configure desktop?
[07:31] <NyX_Sp00nKilla> don't need any graphic on it, I choose roots way, sry
[07:31] <ninniuz> with kde 3.5.2 and kubuntu breezy
[07:31] <XVampireX> cyrus: I can see the java-package and fakeroot packages just fine.
[07:32] <XVampireX> cyrus, start from BEGINNING of the tutorial, redo all the steps, don't skip ANYTHING.
[07:33] <ninniuz> no one?
[07:33] <XVampireX> What?
[07:33] <cyrus> this is what i made
[07:33] <cyrus> http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/142
[07:33] <XVampireX> I got dapper, so I can't say anything about breezy
[07:34] <ninniuz> do you have that menu though?
[07:34] <XVampireX> cyrus: Ubuntu/Kubuntu are not debian
[07:34] <XVampireX> They are built on top of debian but they are not debian
[07:34] <cyrus> i use kubuntu
[07:34] <XVampireX> Yeah, but the article is for debian
[07:34] <XVampireX> don't use it.
[07:35] <cyrus> can you show your /ect/apt/sources.list file ?
[07:35] <XVampireX> ninniuz: Hmm
[07:35] <cyrus> in query
[07:35] <XVampireX> ninniuz: What menu exactly?
[07:35] <XVampireX> What's rmb?
[07:35] <ninniuz> rmb rbm cannot remember
[07:35] <ninniuz> right button
[07:35] <XVampireX> In display settings?
[07:35] <ninniuz> yes
[07:36] <ninniuz> where you can change ur screen resolution and frequency
[07:36] <XVampireX> just a sec
[07:36] <ninniuz> ok
[07:37] <XVampireX> There's no rmb or rbm
[07:37] <ninniuz> no didnt mean that...click with ur right button on the desktop and from there chose configure desktop
[07:37] <ninniuz> is there a display menu in the dialog you get?
[07:37] <NyX_Sp00nKilla> I know that ubuntu/kubuntu r not debian, that's why I'm looking for a kubuntu webpages for packages
[07:38] <XVampireX> no
[07:38] <ninniuz> are you using kde 3.5.2?
[07:38] <Isil`Zha> how do i get back the "go" and "window" menus in konqueror? and why were they left out for kubuntu in the first place?
[07:38] <XVampireX> yes
[07:38] <ninniuz> there was one in kde 3.5.1...and now I dunno where to set my screen frequency
[07:39] <ninniuz> nor screen resolution
[07:39] <XVampireX> ninniuz
[07:39] <XVampireX> clip on kicker
[07:39] <XVampireX> system settings
[07:39] <XVampireX> and then in hardware click on display
[07:39] <XVampireX> Also, install video drivers
[07:40] <ninniuz> system settings on kicker?
[07:40] <XVampireX> yeah
[07:40] <XVampireX> kicker is the menu in the panel
[07:40] <XVampireX> buttom left
[07:40] <ninniuz> I thought kicker was the panel
[07:41] <XVampireX> It is, kinda, yeah
[07:41] <XVampireX> but anyways, click on that button (buttom left) and system settings
[07:41] <ninniuz> I have no display submenu there
[07:41] <ninniuz> oh let me check
[07:42] <XVampireX> No, system settings and then hardware -> display
[07:42] <ninniuz> no display in hardware
[07:42] <XVampireX> :O
[07:42] <XVampireX> It's right before Storage media
[07:43] <XVampireX> Did you install video card drivers?
[07:43] <ninniuz> I have energy there or something like that
[07:43] <ninniuz> nop...I didnt install nvidia drivers
[07:43] <slow-motion> re
[07:43] <XVampireX> weird
[07:43] <XVampireX> try to install them then
[07:43] <XVampireX> !nvidia
[07:43] <ubotu> I guess nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368
[07:44] <ninniuz> but I had that menu with kde 3.5.1
[07:44] <ninniuz> and nothing changed since then
[07:45] <XVampireX> try to install drivers just in case
[07:47] <bge> pls help me, how do i find the version code of my kubuntu breezy?
[07:49] <bge> 
[07:49] <XVampireX> bge: sorry, don't know
[07:51] <theripper> !ati
[07:51] <ubotu> it has been said that ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10 or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=423589
[08:00] <Brujah> hy everybody!
[08:01] <Brujah> is there a way I can find out whats the commandline of a program? I need to know how my compiler calls fasm
[08:02] <xwolf-> how do i enable the jumpy icon when firefox is opening? it seems it won't jump nor appear anymore
[08:02] <xwolf-> it must be shy
[08:03] <pradeepto> heh
[08:03] <apokryphos> xwolf-: it works with all other applications?
[08:03] <xwolf-> yeap
[08:04] <xwolf-> or it could just be that firefox is too quick LOL
[08:05] <apokryphos> I'm sure that's not it
[08:05] <xwolf-> me too.
[08:05] <apokryphos> argh, can't find the freakin' option. Somewhere in kcontrol
[08:05] <to3> insatlling with vmware :P
[08:07] <Tonio_> hi
[08:08] <mwe> can anyone on dapper confirm that adept_notifier is broken?
[08:10] <apokryphos> xwolf-: aha, it should be set under "Launch Feedback" in systemsettings
[08:11] <apokryphos> xwolf-: if it's not there then show me the output of locate firefox|grep '.desktop'
[08:11] <apokryphos> *if it's set there, then...
[08:13] <theripper> can anyone help  me install ati drivers?
[08:13] <apokryphos> !ati
[08:13] <ubotu> I heard ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10 or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=423589
[08:13] <theripper> ive read that already , its too confusing
[08:14] <theripper> ive only been using linux since yesterday
[08:14] <apokryphos> the first link? It's pretty straightforward, which part are you having problems with?
[08:15] <theripper> the ubuntu drivers are already installed, and they dont work right
[08:15] <apokryphos> what's the error?
[08:15] <theripper> so id like to install the ati driver
[08:16] <theripper> it corrupts kde at any resolution besides 1024x786
[08:16] <apokryphos> the ubuntu drivers *are* the ATI drivers
[08:16] <apokryphos> if you followed the guide
[08:16] <ninniuz> I installed nvidia drivers but nothing changes
[08:16] <ninniuz> changed
[08:17] <apokryphos> ninniuz: did you follow the guide for installing it?
[08:17] <theripper> its still the default install , i havent changed anything yet
[08:17] <ninniuz> yes
[08:17] <apokryphos> theripper: if you  haven't installed anything then you haven't really installed the ati ubuntu drivers :)
[08:17] <ninniuz> it's not a matter of drivers...I checked xorg.conf and it has been changed...I had (and still have) a problem with the display menu
[08:17] <apokryphos> theripper: have a whack at that guide, I can talk you through any problematic part
[08:18] <ninniuz> which actually I cannot find
[08:18] <apokryphos> display menu?
[08:18] <theripper> ok , i thought that the ubuntu drivers where installed by default
[08:18] <ninniuz> yeah the one with the screen resolution and frequency and stuff like that
[08:18] <theripper> ok , thank you ill try the guide
[08:18] <apokryphos> ninniuz: once the appropriate settings are in xorg, the rest is handled by KDE.
[08:18] <apokryphos> ninniuz: follow this guide:
[08:18] <apokryphos> !nvidia
[08:18] <ubotu> nvidia is, like, at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368
[08:19] <ninniuz> ok I did follow it
[08:19] <ninniuz> I was saying to someone else before
[08:19] <ninniuz> I'm running kde 3.5.2
[08:19] <apokryphos> ninniuz: are you running the nvidia driver now, then?
[08:19] <ninniuz> and cannot find that menu anymore
[08:19] <ninniuz> while I had it on kde 3.5.1
[08:19] <apokryphos> to change your resolution?
[08:19] <ninniuz> yes I am
[08:19] <ninniuz> yes
[08:19] <ninniuz> and asked into the kde channel
[08:19] <apokryphos> right-click on desktop -> configure desktop -> display
[08:20] <ninniuz> and they told me to ask here
[08:20] <apokryphos> yes
[08:20] <ninniuz> there you go! there is no display menu here!
[08:20] <ninniuz> I had it before
[08:20] <mornfall> mwe: define broken
[08:20] <apokryphos> ninniuz: alt+f2 -> krandrtray
[08:20] <ninniuz> but there is none now since I upgraded to 3.5.2
[08:21] <ninniuz> oh ty
[08:21] <vge> somebody can help me, cos when i use my new 2.6.17 kernel, i cant connect to IRC? all other networks/Internet works fine?
[08:21] <ninniuz> but why there is no menu anymore?
[08:21] <apokryphos> ninniuz: does that work?
[08:21] <ninniuz> yes it does
[08:22] <ninniuz> but if I do Configure display I get nothing
[08:22] <apokryphos> I thought there was an effort to use guidance with resolution options in systemsettings. I know that got put in dapper, not sure if it got backported to breezy
[08:22] <apokryphos> if it was, then I'd imagine that that entry would be removed.
[08:22] <apokryphos> ninniuz: alt+f2 -> systemsettings
[08:22] <apokryphos> is there nothing to modify your resolution there? Graphics/Monitor or something, can't remember now.
[08:22] <ninniuz> so it has been removed in breezy
[08:23] <apokryphos> in breezy's kde packages of 3.5.2, it appears, but I'm not sure at all of that yet.
[08:23] <ninniuz> yes yes there is in krandrtray
[08:23] <ninniuz> it's ok
[08:23] <apokryphos> I said in systemsettings though, not krandr
[08:24] <ninniuz> there is no display menu in systemsettings
[08:24] <ninniuz> I already checked
[08:24] <mornfall> ubotu: lart mwe
[08:24] <ninniuz> I'm still trying to understand why my display flickers from time to time
[08:24] <mornfall> :)
[08:25] <apokryphos> incorrect refresh rate?
[08:25] <mornfall> if it's crt and you are chewing at the time, it's normal :] 
[08:25] <ninniuz> well I have 2 options
[08:25] <ninniuz> 60Hz
[08:25] <ninniuz> and 75
[08:25] <Brujah> can a bash script print out the commandline it got called with? how?
[08:25] <ninniuz> it is unbearable with 60 so I set it to 75
[08:25] <mornfall> Brujah: echo "$@"?
[08:26] <Brujah> I try!
[08:26] <mornfall> magic
[08:26] <ninniuz> it is not crt
[08:26] <ninniuz> it's a flat screen
[08:27] <mornfall> ninniuz: lcd shouldn't flicker at all
[08:27] <mornfall> even on 60Hz
[08:27] <mornfall> mine's stable as a mirror
[08:27] <ep> When I run the one java based application,  I'll lose sound everywhere else, otherwise sound works fine. How might I fix this?
[08:27] <ninniuz> well mine doesnt
[08:27] <mornfall> and that's on 60Hz
[08:27] <ninniuz> so I guess it just sucks
[08:28] <mornfall> ninniuz: are you sure it's all right? (the display)
[08:28] <mornfall> or graphics card
[08:28] <ninniuz> no at this point I'm not sure
[08:28] <ninniuz> how can I check the graphics card?
[08:28] <mornfall> got another display?
[08:29] <ninniuz> actually it flickers when a window is "working"
[08:29] <mornfall> umm, whole screen flickers?
[08:29] <mornfall> or just the app :)
[08:29] <ep> Bad wording:  *if I run this one particular java based application, Ii'll lose sound everywhere else.  Hence, it seems like some java configuration.  How to fix?
[08:29] <ninniuz> nop just some points
[08:29] <mornfall> ninniuz: are you sure it's not just redraw?
[08:30] <ninniuz> eh nop it's quite annoying
[08:30] <mornfall> interesting...
[08:30] <mornfall> haven't seen that before
[08:30] <ninniuz> and it flickers
[08:30] <mornfall> ep: don't run the app :] 
[08:30] <mornfall> ep: if you run artsd, artsdsp could maybe help (or no)
[08:32] <ninniuz> I dunno why I didnt get the nvidia logo though
[08:32] <ninniuz> I was waiting for it
[08:32] <ep> i knew that was coming -- i've haven't found a replacement for this one app which i like as well.  Dunno what "artsd" is, I'm not running it intentiionly:)
[08:32] <mornfall> ep: well, artsdsp <app> and see if it helps :)
[08:32] <ep> ah
[08:32] <mornfall> ep: if the app starts crashing, it may be it doesn't work right tho :)
[08:33] <mornfall> artsdsp is... ummm... hack :)
[08:33] <ninniuz> and cool nvidia-settings states I have a crt monitor lol
[08:33] <mornfall> ninniuz: sounds like a problem.....
[08:33] <ep> well the app's not crashing, not to go play some porn
[08:34] <ep> just kidding
[08:34] <DeJaMo> I'm trying to run Cclient, a windows chess interface through wine on my kubuntu system, it keeps screwing-up with the error message "External exception 80000101", I'm looking in /var/log but could anyone point me towords the file most likely to contain information specifically related to the problem with wine ?
[08:34] <mornfall> i don't think wine is supported at all
[08:35] <DeJaMo> well wine runs some stuff fine for me
[08:35] <ninniuz> oh let me check xorg.cong...
[08:35] <mornfall> DeJaMo: that's good for you
[08:36] <DeJaMo> mornfall: I thought wine ran on any linux box, is that not correct ?
[08:36] <mornfall> wine probably does... but eg on ppc, it'll hardly run anything useful
[08:37] <mornfall> also, the fact wine runs doesn't mean a particular app would
[08:38] <DeJaMo> mornfall: true, that's why I'm trying to find any error messages related to wine in the logs, to see if I can find out anything more
[08:38] <mornfall> DeJaMo: you could try debug output... probably not in logs, man wine could maybe help
[08:38] <DeJaMo> mornfall: never thought of man wine, ta
[08:46] <cyrus> hi all again
[08:46] <cyrus> :)
[08:47] <cyrus> are there any ideas to solve this: /usr/local/kylix3/bin/delphi: relocation error: /usr/local/kylix3/bin/libwine.borland.so: symbol errno, version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference
[08:47] <cyrus> ?
[08:48] <nxv_> how do i activate suspend to ram or suspend to disk?
[08:54] <theripper> does ubuntu need a firewall and antivirus?
[08:54] <vge> not really
[08:54] <theripper> are there any firewalls for linux?
[08:55] <vge> sure, but im not good to recommend one
[08:55] <vge> !iptables
[08:55] <Tm_T> firestarter is ok gui
[08:56] <theripper> ok , thanks ill take a look at it
[08:56] <steveire> T4dRoT
[08:56] <steveire> wrong window
[08:58] <_pavel> heh
[08:59] <_pavel> steveire that's your pass?
[09:03] <steveire> try it and see
[09:03] <ninniuz> cyrus u there?
[09:06] <ninniuz> what is breezy-updates?
[09:09] <theripper> same as windows updates?
[09:10] <_ravn> hey all
[09:11] <_ravn> I need a good "newb" guide for apt/kbuntu
[09:11] <_ravn> anyone know of any?
[09:11] <sredna> Adept
[09:12] <sredna> :o
[09:19] <TheNightRider``> hey all
[09:19] <TheNightRider``> :)
[09:20] <TheNightRider``> anyone know how to change/add keyboard layouts in kubuntu 5.10? :)
[09:20] <_ravn> TheNightRider``: hey there
[09:21] <_ravn> no im sorry i do not. do u on the other hand know of a good guide for installing appz?
[09:21] <to3> in xsecer
[09:21] <to3> xserver
[09:21] <_ravn> yes
[09:22] <TheNightRider``> uhh
[09:22] <TheNightRider``> _ravn
[09:22] <TheNightRider``> with Adept Packet Manager
[09:22] <TheNightRider``> its got almost everything :)
[09:22] <TheNightRider``> if its windows apps.. its really, really hard
[09:23] <_ravn> I know.. :) But I still dont understand apt yet
[09:23] <CTV> i installed java wiht this manual
[09:23] <CTV> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats?action=show&redirect=Java#head-e2ebd70ede0e3eb2117ffbd618d2295dd1540dca
[09:23] <CTV> but it dosn't work
[09:23] <_ravn> Thats what i need the guide for. Xvid for instance. Though I have installed firefox, ssh, bittorrent etc.. But that is easy!
[09:24] <TheNightRider``> _ravn
[09:24] <TheNightRider``> bittorrent has a linux version ;)
[09:24] <CTV> ava --version--
[09:24] <CTV> Unrecognized option: --version--
[09:24] <CTV> Could not create the Java virtual machine
[09:24] <TheNightRider``> CTV, you can easily istall Java with Adept
[09:24] <TheNightRider``> i think i saw it
[09:24] <CTV> i need sdk 1.5
[09:24] <CTV> j2sdk 1.5
[09:24] <TheNightRider``> j2?
[09:25] <CTV> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats?action=show&redirect=Java#head-e2ebd70ede0e3eb2117ffbd618d2295dd1540dca
[09:26] <CTV> what command do you use to install java ?
[09:26] <CTV> i made a package from bin file
[09:26] <CTV> is there an oter solution?
[09:26] <TheNightRider``> i dont know
[09:29] <nxv_> hi, i am trying to get suspend to ram running.
[09:31] <nxv_> i found a introduction, that i should use /etc/acpi/sleep.sh i tried it and tried hibernate but my machine doesn't start up again. how can i find the error without getting an errormessage
[09:31] <steveire> Anyone here patient enough to chat to a general ubuntu n00b?
[09:31] <nxv_> or is there an hibernation/suspend log?
[09:32] <theripper> whats the best torrent client that works in kde?
[09:32] <steveire> I've got it installed, and I know I have to add mp3 support myself. What else do i have to install myself/ should I install?
[09:32] <steveire> torrents, yeah, how do i get myself sorted with torrents?
[09:33] <theripper> i have ktorrent , it look so 80s tho
[09:33] <steveire> what else should I et to make my OS complete?
[09:34] <steveire> !repos
[09:34] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[09:41] <staale> Any expert on compileing?
[09:42] <Tm_T> staale: hm?
[09:42] <staale> I have a problem with compileing mysql
[09:43] <staale> Tm_T: I have installed gcc
[09:43] <staale> did "sudo apt-get install gcc"
[09:43] <staale> now i gets this when running the ./configure script: "
[09:43] <staale> checking for C compiler default output... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[09:43] <staale> See `config.log' for more details.
[09:44] <staale> any idea?
[09:45] <noteventime> kostaale: try installing build-essential
[09:45] <noteventime> staale: try installing build-essential
[09:45] <staale> noteventime: ill trie that, thx
[09:45] <noteventime> np
[09:45] <noteventime> hope it works
[09:45] <Tm_T> staale: what you're compiling?
[09:45] <staale> Tm_T: Mysql
[09:46] <Tm_T> staale: any reason?
[09:47] <MenZa> Is it possible to deactivate the message-window when you click a contact once in Kopete?
[09:47] <staale> Tm_T: Any reason for what? Compileing? Yes
[09:47] <Tm_T> staale: and it is...
[09:47] <_ravn> can anyone plz tell me if there is an easy way to install xvid on kubuntu. I have an imac btw
[09:48] <staale> Tm_T: I like to follow guides houndred percents, and this time too. Im following a guide, that shows how to get mysql. php5 and apache2 to work 100 percent. Mysql didnt work propperly when i did "sudo apt-get etcetc"
[09:49] <_ravn> I have tried adept also
[09:49] <Tm_T> staale: eeh
[09:49] <Tm_T> staale: "ok"
[09:49] <staale> Tm_T: I know it might sound silly:P But there you got me!
[09:49] <Tm_T> staale: "sudo apt-get build-dep mysql" to get _everything_ you need to compile mysql
[09:49] <staale> Tm_T: ok
[09:50] <Tm_T> staale: also, still I think you don't have to compile mysql or anything yourself, what is needing it?
[09:51] <tijn> hi all
[09:51] <runelind> how do you start applications at kde startup? I tried adding symlinks to .kde/Autostart
[09:52] <staale> Tm_T: I might not be a Linux pro, im the opposit actually. But I do like to make web sites, and I think its easyer to have mysql, apache2 and php5 in the testing period
[09:52] <Tm_T> runelind: you can also add scripts to there
[09:52] <Tm_T> staale: aaah!
[09:52] <runelind> Tm_T: well the applications don't start that I've symlinked in there
[09:52] <Tm_T> staale: you don't need compile any of those
[09:52] <tijn> i have a question about ubou
[09:52] <Tm_T> runelind: then try scripts
[09:52] <staale> Tm_T: Don't I?
[09:52] <tijn> ubotu
[09:53] <Tm_T> staale: no
[09:53] <nxv__> i don't know how to get suspend working. i change something in /etc/defaut/acpi-support and than execute /etc/acpi/sleep.sh as root but i just have to guess no idea which switch might be the problem
[09:53] <Tm_T> staale: I'm pretty sure all of those are in repositories
[09:53] <staale> Tm_T: Ok, thx for support, but i need to go now, bye
[09:54] <slow-motion> re
[09:55] <tijn> !blootbot
[09:55] <_StarScream> is it possible to try xgl in dapper ?
[09:55] <Snake__> !xgl
[09:55] <ubotu> XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/XglHowto - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems. It works ONLY on dapper. Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/
[09:56] <Snake__> _StarScream: I personally havn't had much luck with it, but I havn't tried on flight 6 yet
[09:57] <_StarScream> Snake__: i'm trying a dist-upgrade now
[09:57] <_StarScream> Snake__: do i have to install xgl packages, or does it come with X ?
[09:57] <Snake__> steveire: Follow that wiki ( http://wiki.ubuntu.com/XglHowto )
[09:58] <_StarScream> cool
[10:01] <steveire> I have gnomad2 for my creative, but it doesn't work. I'm trying to get the KDE equivalent, but adept tells me that will break something
[10:02] <steveire> Is there a dependent program I need to remove?
[10:02] <nxv__> steveire: have you started gnomad2 as root?
[10:02] <_StarScream> Snake__: if i just want the performance benifits and not the pretty graphics can i do without the compiz
[10:02] <steveire> nope, and I've already removed it.
[10:02] <steveire> IT should work yes?
[10:03] <steveire> why wouldn't I go with kzenexplorere
[10:03] <steveire> ?
[10:03] <Snake__> steveire: what preformance benefits do you get out of advanced graphics, if you dont mind me asking :)
[10:03] <Snake__> errr
[10:03] <Snake__> _StarScream: **
[10:06] <_StarScream> Snake__ i have an ibook 800 kinda laggy under X, OSX is nice..apps are faster under linux
[10:06] <_StarScream> just not dispaly
[10:06] <_StarScream> display
[10:06] <_StarScream> so i am assuming thats the only difference
[10:06] <_StarScream> by OSX is nice, i meant in terms of graphics performance
[10:06] <_StarScream> i hate the OS
[10:06] <steveire> can anyone help my adept BREAK issue?
[10:09] <klohunt> Can anyone point me to a manual where I can find out how to download the Nvidia drivers?
[10:09] <Snake__> _StarScream: Im not exactly sure what kind of boost you would get, but I would say shoot for it...
[10:09] <Snake__> _StarScream: have you considered a diffrent DM?
[10:10] <_StarScream> Snake yeh tried, gnome, kde, xfce, fluxbox they are all the same
[10:10] <_StarScream> just as laggy as each other
[10:10] <Snake__> _StarScream: there should be NO reason for Flux to be as laggy as KDE
[10:11] <_StarScream> Snake__: well thats the thing, KDE isn't laggy..its just when i flick between windows / desktops
[10:11] <_StarScream> i can see X repainting the screen
[10:11] <_patrick_> when booting x sometimes switches to the console, how can i avoid thnat?
[10:11] <Kyral> why is that a bad thing?
[10:12] <_patrick_> i mean the system switches back to the console
[10:12] <steveire> Can I mount my windows partition? I tried mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1 and it didn't work
[10:12] <Kyral> !ntfs
[10:12] <ubotu> [ntfs]  the filesystem used in Windows NT and newer; to automatically mount your NTFS partition: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[10:12] <_patrick_> so that i habe to press alt f7 to get back into x
[10:12] <Snake__> _StarScream: thats odd...
[10:13] <_StarScream> Snake__ don
[10:13] <_StarScream> don't get me wrong, its not really slow
[10:13] <_StarScream> its just noticable
[10:13] <_StarScream> and annoying :)
[10:14] <Snake__> ya I dunno how much the xgl server is gonna help you out
[10:15] <Snake__> you could try it tho
[10:15] <Snake__> _StarScream: have you installed the accel. 3d drivers?
[10:15] <Snake__> Tho that should be nessary
[10:15] <klohunt> About how many kubuntu users exist?
[10:15] <tijn> 2 :)
[10:15] <Snake__> klohunt: ..how many windows users exist?
[10:15] <tijn> sry lame :D
[10:15] <klohunt> Snake__ : there would be no way to tell
[10:15] <Snake__> klohunt: *nods* so what do you think about kubuntu?
[10:16] <klohunt> I think it would be MUCH easier to tell
[10:16] <Snake__> Not really, since we dont require registration.
[10:16] <Snake__> Its just a guessable as windows, or debian, or suse
[10:16] <klohunt> downloads on different IPs and stuff tho?
[10:16] <klohunt> nobody has an estimate anywhere?
[10:17] <Snake__> klohunt: ive given my friends cds ive downloaded = Uncounted
[10:17] <Snake__> klohunt: shipit = uncounted
[10:17] <Snake__> So no, not really
[10:17] <klohunt> Why would they not count how many people order CDs?
[10:17] <klohunt> it would be so easy
[10:17] <Snake__> klohunt: you could check this http://counter.li.org/
[10:18] <Snake__> but I doubt thats anywhere near the number
[10:19] <klohunt> I see
[10:19] <klohunt> much more than I thought there would be... 29 million is a significant amount of people
[10:20] <Snake__> thats also for all of linux, and I see no wait to search by distro
[10:20] <klohunt> (Even though it is an estimate)
[10:25] <nxv__> i tried to upgrade and hang now with the following problem when it comes to ubuntu-artwork
[10:25] <nxv__> No theme index file in '/usr/share/icons/default'.
[10:25] <nxv__> sudo apt-get -f install doesn't solve it
[10:25] <TheNightRider``> hmm
[10:26] <TheNightRider``> i know this is kind of crude..
[10:26] <TheNightRider``> reinstall the os :)
[10:26] <nxv__> atleast a solution ;)
[10:27] <TheNightRider``> ya
[10:27] <TheNightRider``> :)
[10:28] <nxv__> the problem is that gdm depends on ubuntu-artwork as it seems
[10:29] <TheNightRider``> yup
[10:29] <TheNightRider``> gl :)
[10:33] <steveire> can I make ubuntu play wmas?
[10:34] <_ravn> Done wit hreading documentation at kubuntu.org . I still didn't come across how to install packages downloaded from the net
[10:34] <wicked_> deb package?
[10:35] <_ravn> yeah
[10:35] <_ravn> codecs for xvid fx
[10:36] <_ravn> If u dont got the time, refering to a website guide would be great
[10:38] <_ravn> Or though! has to be durable by a dumb former windoze user.. ;)
[10:38] <wicked_> trying to find any url
[10:39] <nxv__> if you have a deb package install it with dpkg -i debpackage
[10:39] <_ravn> wicked_: Yeah, tried google. Thought it would be much easier.. :)
[10:40] <TheNightRider``> hey
[10:40] <_ravn> nxv__: can u give a complete example? Sry, im a bit slow with this. But my heart is in the right place, I wont give up.. ;)
[10:40] <TheNightRider``> anyone know how to add/change keyboard layouts in kubuntu 5.10
[10:40] <wicked_> i can find several encoder and decoder for xvid in adept though
[10:41] <nxv__> sudo dpkg -i yourdebpackage.deb
[10:41] <_ravn> nxv__: I downloaded the package to home. does it find it auto?
[10:41] <steveire> why is firefox v1.07 on adept and not ff v 1.5?
[10:41] <_ravn> wicked_: I've tried searching adept. but no luck. :(
[10:42] <wicked_> _ravn i think you need to aim to your home dir than write the command
[10:42] <wicked_> but anyway just try it! ;)
[10:42] <_ravn> yeah, think so too. trying, hold plz
[10:43] <nxv__> TheNightRider``: system settings -> regional & ... -> keyboard layout
[10:44] <TheNightRider``> oooh
[10:44] <TheNightRider``> thanks :))
[10:44] <thompa> koffice 1.5 rc1 was removed in an update in dapper?
[10:46] <thompa> if i try to fix it, install libmysqlclient15 kubuntu desktop is removed
[10:46] <_ravn> lol, just rightclicked the package, and chose install package, but it says "... is locked by another process"
[10:47] <_ravn> nxv__ wicked_
[10:47] <wicked_> use by another process?
[10:47] <thompa> _ravn: something else other thatn synaptic running, kpackage or something maybe
[10:47] <nxv__> _ravn: this means you have another prog like aptidue synaptic what ever open accessing the apt database
[10:48] <thompa> anyone know how to get koffice 1.5 back
[10:49] <_ravn> Yes, and now I got it to work. However, new problem. Im running kubuntu on an imac. :)
[10:49] <ClayG> http://www.overclockersclub.com/gallery/images/TheSternMystic10845924222.jpg
[10:49] <ClayG> anyone know how to remove the heatsink?
[10:51] <_ravn> Okay. so now the win32codecs is out of the question. I also downloaded the codec pack from mplayerhq. Has anyone installed this on Kubuntu?
[10:51] <sredna> There is something broken about the way kubuntu installs .desktop files. My mimetype settings are screwed up when I install someting, just because I install an application that can handle jpg images does not mean that it should be the default, and my own preferences are silently dismissed too often. Maybe it has to do with the general brokenness of the splitting of KDE modules into atoms?
[10:53] <robotgeek> sredna: no clue, sorry. you might actually know more than i do on this issue :)
[10:54] <sredna> robotgeek: I'm not sure if it's how kde collects it, or if the debian system does something odd. But I see that my choices are dismissed, which I dislike. But it could be KDE
[10:54] <sredna> It seems that it happens with some mimetypes but not all
[10:54] <_ravn> Oh god i feel like such a burden. havn't anybody installed the mplayerhq codec on kubuntu?
[10:54] <TheNightRider``> _ravn
[10:54] <TheNightRider``> whats it for?
[10:55] <_ravn> for playing xvid
[10:55] <thompa> all the koffice components are still there: kword etc, so it seems just the koffice suite thing is gone
[10:55] <TheNightRider``> hmm
[10:55] <BigA> is there a big difference between the dvd edition and the cd edition?
[10:55] <TheNightRider``> cant real player do it?
[10:55] <TheNightRider``> BigA
[10:55] <TheNightRider``> nope
[10:55] <TheNightRider``> :P
[10:55] <_ravn> real player like in the bloated adware shit u find on the net? :)
[10:56] <TheNightRider``> hmm
[10:56] <TheNightRider``> well i dont think so
[10:56] <BigA> than what does the dvd edition contain ?
[10:56] <BigA> there is still a diff of almoust 3 GB
[10:56] <thompa> !w32codecs
[10:56] <ubotu> from memory, w32codecs is a compilation of binary win32 A/V codecs for many popular proprietary formats not currently supported by free implementations under linux. See http://tinyurl.com/e4a5s to install
[10:56] <_ravn> thompa: won't work. I have an imac. It is for the x386 platform
[10:57] <_ravn> Imac/kubuntu
[10:57] <thompa> oh
[10:57] <wicked_> oooh
[10:57] <_ravn> :(
[10:57] <wicked_> dont be sad
[10:57] <TheNightRider``> hey, anyone here listening to metal? ^^
[10:57] <wicked_> i wish i had one
[10:58] <wicked_> i listening to hardcore
[10:58] <TheNightRider``> _ravn, dont worry, you'll find something :)
[10:58] <thompa> i just checked my updates and have kernel headers 2.6.11 being installed?
[10:58] <TheNightRider``> wicked_ its not the same ;)
[10:58] <wicked_> hell no
[10:58] <wicked_> i dont know much about metal
[10:58] <_ravn> hehe, i know i will. Just hope u guys dont get tired of me before that
[10:58] <TheNightRider``> agree :)
[10:58] <TheNightRider``> well you should
[10:58] <TheNightRider``> its the fuckin krieg ^^
[10:59] <wicked_> are you talking about things like pantera and stratovarius and sh*t
[10:59] <TheNightRider``> nope
[10:59] <TheNightRider``> the lighter ones
[10:59] <wicked_> ok
[10:59] <Tm_T> ?
[10:59] <TheNightRider``> e.g. Iron Maiden, AC/DC, Manowar ^^
[10:59] <TheNightRider``> allthough the harder things are good too :)
[10:59] <Tm_T> pffft
[10:59] <wicked_> ho i do luv acdc though... i named my dog thunder1 ;)
[11:00] <TheNightRider``> :PP
[11:00] <TheNightRider``> heh
[11:00] <TheNightRider``> Tm_T? whats the matter? ^^
[11:00] <TheNightRider``> dont like rock?
[11:00] <_ravn> http://www.mplayerhq.hu/design7/dload.html <- the essential codecs package has anyone installed that? and how in gods name did u do that! :D
[11:00] <TheNightRider``> do what? :D
[11:00] <wicked_> ravn ill give you my pc for your imac
[11:00] <wicked_> ;)
[11:01] <Tm_T> TheNightRider``: well, http://www.last.fm/user/Tm_T/
[11:01] <wicked_> divx preinstalled and stuff
[11:01] <wicked_> ;)
[11:01] <_ravn> wicked_: hehe, easy its only a 700mhz G4 :)
[11:01] <wicked_> no worry i got a p3 1000
[11:01] <wicked_> ;)
[11:01] <TheNightRider``> oh
[11:01] <TheNightRider``> so you do
[11:01] <TheNightRider``> ^^
[11:01] <TheNightRider``> sorry for the misunderstanding :D
[11:01] <wicked_> hey is this your head Tm_T
[11:01] <TheNightRider``> (and my bad english.. <<)
[11:02] <_ravn> wicked_: well, give me a tft screen also, and u got a deal :)
[11:02] <Tm_T> TheNightRider``: well, but I define "heavy" different than you
[11:02] <wicked_> my english isnt really good too
[11:02] <Tm_T> wicked_: I doubt
[11:02] <TheNightRider``> Tm_T, please explain :)
[11:02] <_ravn> hehe, my english suck also! But im from denmark, so.. :)
[11:02] <Tm_T> TheNightRider``: well, to me AC/DC is lighter and easier than King Crimson for example
[11:02] <wicked_> i like irish punk too
[11:03] <_ravn> wicked_:  can u do me a favour?
[11:03] <wicked_> _ravn: im in montreal
[11:03] <wicked_> what can i do
[11:03] <TheNightRider``>  
[11:03] <TheNightRider``> oops
[11:03] <TheNightRider``> i mean
[11:03] <TheNightRider``> well yes, it is
[11:03] <TheNightRider``> but its still heavy metal :)
[11:03] <Tm_T> nah
[11:03] <TheNightRider``> it is ^^
[11:03] <_ravn> download the package from the site, and see how it is done, and then explain it to me. :)
[11:03] <Tm_T> heavy rock
[11:03] <TheNightRider``> the early albums
[11:03] <TheNightRider``> are hard rock
[11:04] <nico8481> i'm on a hiiiiiightwaaaaaaaay to heeeeeeeell
[11:04] <TheNightRider``> yup ^^
[11:04] <TheNightRider``> gl reaching hell, tho :D
[11:04] <Tm_T> anyway... good night ->
[11:04] <TheNightRider``> good night :)
[11:04] <nico8481> gn
[11:04] <TheNightRider``> damn 12:04 am here o.0
[11:04] <TheNightRider``> time flies...
[11:05] <wicked_> im afraid im not that good
[11:05] <_ravn> 23.05 here
[11:05] <wicked_> :S
[11:05] <wicked_> 17:05 here
[11:05] <_ravn> Hmm, thx anyway wicked_
[11:05] <TheNightRider``> lol
[11:06] <TheNightRider``> wicked_ my Konversation shows that time
[11:06] <TheNightRider``> i forgot to set my timezone
[11:06] <wicked_> isnt there any installation help on the site?
[11:06] <TheNightRider``> wicked_, where are you from?
[11:06] <_ravn> cant find any.. Nor on google
[11:06] <got2b3d> what would seg fault glxgears?
[11:07] <wicked_> http://www.kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=22750&file1=22750-1.png&file2=&file3=&name=gray+magic ... inned to do this with my konsole
[11:07] <wicked_> TheNightRider``: montreal
[11:08] <TheNightRider``> canada
[11:08] <TheNightRider``> nice. :P
[11:08] <wicked_> yaah montreal candian will win the stanley cup this year
[11:08] <wicked_> ;)
[11:08] <_ravn> "cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.xvid.org:/xvid login" <- what does that mean?
[11:09] <TheNightRider``> heh
[11:09] <TheNightRider``> good luck on that ;)
[11:09] <frank23> wicked_: heh. maybe ;)
[11:09] <wicked_> haha ;) where u from
[11:09] <TheNightRider``> Bulgaria :P
[11:09] <TheNightRider``> europe ^^
[11:09] <frank23> wicked_: If they beat Ottawa in the first round, I'd be pretty proud though
[11:10] <wicked_> so would i
[11:10] <TheNightRider``> hm
[11:10] <wicked_> we'll know tonight
[11:10] <TheNightRider``> never heard of bulgaria, huh ^^
[11:10] <wicked_> the thing is that ottawa as many injury
[11:10] <wicked_> TheNightRider``:  nope is there hockey down there?
[11:11] <TheNightRider``> uhh
[11:11] <TheNightRider``> i dont think so :P
[11:11] <wicked_> huhu
[11:11] <wicked_> :)
[11:11] <frank23> TheNightRider``: Bulgaria. In the Balkans?
[11:11] <TheNightRider``> yeah
[11:11] <TheNightRider``> :)
[11:11] <TheNightRider``> right on ^^
[11:12] <wicked_> hey how does your kde looks like, ive been browsing kde-looks for about 1hour trying to find something cool
[11:13] <TheNightRider``> well
[11:13] <TheNightRider``> its default
[11:13] <TheNightRider``> what do u mean "something cool" ?
[11:13] <BigA> what do you think of aLinux ?
[11:14] <TheNightRider``> never heard of it^^
[11:14] <wicked_> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=22750 .. this is kool to me
[11:14] <BigA> http://alinux.org/linux-os/aLinux-Crystal-Green.png
[11:15] <duckdown> How can I specify KDE utils (Like Konversation) to use a proxy.
[11:15] <wicked_> i think alinux is a great alternative for COMPLETE newb
[11:15] <TheNightRider``> well
[11:15] <TheNightRider``> im a complete newb ^^
[11:16] <wicked_> alinux is like a window clone
[11:16] <wicked_> in my opinion
[11:16] <wicked_> i wont be surprise if thats were one of their objective to create a window like os
[11:16] <TheNightRider``> hmmm
[11:17] <TheNightRider``> its nice :)
[11:17] <wicked_> personaly that does attrack me... when i first made the jump to linux was to escape microsoft
[11:17] <wicked_> doesnt*
[11:18] <wicked_> geez my english is bad
[11:18] <TheNightRider``> well
[11:18] <frank23> yeah the feeling is not anti-Microsoft really. more like anti-crap
[11:18] <TheNightRider``> macroschitt sucks
[11:18] <wicked_> winblows
[11:18] <to3> how can any 1 complian about windows
[11:19] <to3> man it blows linux for ease of use
[11:19] <wicked_> $$$$$$$$$ and i dont think it offers really much more than kde
[11:19] <wicked_> to3: well im not looking for easyness
[11:19] <wicked_> i like the source world
[11:19] <to3> yeah but thts what peeps want
[11:20] <wicked_> i wasnt giving the peeps opinion but mine though
[11:20] <to3> ok :)
[11:20] <wicked_> but i agree that mom and grandma like easyness
[11:20] <wicked_> im not really seeing them trying to compile stuff
[11:21] <to3> yeah, i love linux, specially debian based etc.....but i would love to have installshield as well lol
[11:21] <wicked_> but if you use linux for a couple of year i bet it might become as easy for you as winblows is
[11:22] <to3> nothing can veat a click of the mouse :P
[11:22] <wicked_> thats quickness not easyness :)
[11:23] <wicked_> and all those virus
[11:23] <wicked_> gooood
[11:23] <wicked_> spyware and stuff
[11:23] <wicked_> ouf!
[11:23] <wicked_> its like evil to me
[11:31] <slow-motion> n8
[11:32] <solt> Hello! Anyone using monodevelop. I have monodevelop 0.7 here on breezy and I know there is 0.10 out there, but they provide sources and rpms. Anyone knows if there is a repository with monodevelop 0.10 for breezy?
[11:46] <_harm> when using Mplayer how can i make the movie file the size of the entire screen? full screen just fills up the emptyness with a color :S
[11:49] <My8os> _harm: go to preferences->video and choose the driver that does what u want
[11:49] <My8os> just choose one and test it every time
[11:49] <_harm> uMy8os thx
[11:53] <Bambino_> Hi people, I am using KDE and I have two questions. My first question is, how do i change screen resolution. My second question is, any possiublity in Konversation to actually highlight my nick whenppl talk to me?
[11:54] <Random_Transit> hey, is there any way i can get Windows Apps that use things like .NET and DirectX to work under WINE?
[11:55] <jeff_> Bambino_: yeah i think konversation already does highlight names, you can change the resolution by right clicking the desktop, 'configure desktop'
[11:55] <Tm_T> Random_Transit: if you're really lucky
[11:55] <jeff_> Bambino_: then 'display'
[11:55] <Bambino_> thanks
[11:55] <jeff_> Bambion_: did it highlight your name?
[11:55] <jeff_> Bambino_: did it highlight your name?
[11:56] <jeff_> random_transit: no i dont think its possible to get direct x working on linux
[11:56] <Bambino_> jeff_: i found how to, was in configuration. I was looking in configuration for notificcations which was wrong, got it now thanks
[11:57] <jeff_> random_transit: at least not that i know of. i think M$ works pretty hard to make sure that direct x doesnt work on linux
[11:57] <jeff_> bambino_: ok cool
[11:58] <jeff_> does anybody know if its possible to get gdesklets working on kde?
[11:59] <_ravn> What is "cvs" ?
[11:59] <jeff_> _ravn: i think it means the bleeding edge version of whatever app you're talking about
[12:00] <Random_Transit> what about .NET?
[12:00] <jeff_> _ravn: like the newest possible build. cvs isnt recommended for beginners, it usually has bugs
[12:00] <jeff_> random_transit:i dont know about .NET
[12:01] <_ravn> jeff_:  ty, just what I needed to hear.. :) (being a noob and all.. )
[12:01] <ipfw> Has it been over a week since Breezy had _any_ updates ?
[12:01] <jeff_> _ravn: lol np
[12:01] <Random_Transit> i thought cedega could emulate DX...
[12:01] <ipfw> I haven't got any software upgrades _forever_ it seems (I know a week or more)
[12:02] <Random_Transit> does anyone know if GNOME 2.14 is in the breezy repos yet?
[12:02] <jeff_> does anybody know if its possible to get gdesklets on the kde deasktop?