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| hendry | Kamion: i see the problem, the indices aren't being done right by the CD package creation thing | 01:58 |
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| hendry | i ignored the indices in /srv/cdimage.no-name-yet.com because i thought it was to do with local/ which you told me to ignore | 02:00 |
| hendry | i created the package lists correctly on my mirror. but the CD creation doesn't seem to use those package lists and create new ones. | 02:01 |
| hendry | ok i think they're supposed to be in | 02:04 |
| hendry | $CDIMAGE_ROOT/ftp/indices | 02:05 |
| hendry | oh yes it worked. :) | 02:12 |
| hendry | now to test in vmware | 02:12 |
| hendry | oh yes! it seems to be working... muhahaha | 02:16 |
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| Kamion | well done | 03:07 |
| hendry | Kamion: thanks =) | 03:11 |
| hendry | it didn't complain of a lack of a Release.gpg | 03:11 |
| hendry | it didn't seem to add my hannux desktop package | 03:13 |
| hendry | so i am a little confused by "tasks" | 03:13 |
| hendry | http://perry.khanworks.com/preseed/hannux.seed | 03:13 |
| hendry | that's the seed which i got from kubuntu.seed | 03:13 |
| hendry | there is no kubuntu-standard package | 03:13 |
| hendry | but there is a kubuntu-desktop | 03:13 |
| hendry | i want to use ubuntu as a base | 03:13 |
| hendry | as does kubuntu | 03:14 |
| hendry | so shouldn't it read ubuntu-standard|kubutu-desktop | 03:14 |
| hendry | i guess I somehow need to replace Ubuntu's base-files. Or we need to come up with a way of derivatives that can alter the /etc/issue | 03:15 |
| Kamion | no | 03:21 |
| Kamion | this is confusing, so it's understandable that you're confused :) | 03:21 |
| Kamion | you're mixing up tasks (which are constituted from Task: headers in the Packages file) with packages | 03:21 |
| Kamion | cdimage synthesises Task: headers based on your project name (so in your case hannux-standard, etc.) and makes them match whatever germinate says is in the standard seed | 03:22 |
| Kamion | when you use ~t in aptitude patterns, e.g. by preseeding pkgsel/install-pattern, you're talking about tasks; there don't have to be packages by the same name | 03:22 |
| hendry | why have tasks though? can't meta packages solve this problem? | 03:23 |
| Kamion | so in your case, your preseed file looks fine | 03:23 |
| Kamion | metapackages are an inferior solution | 03:23 |
| Kamion | they break down if your archive is not quite perfectly in sync, which happens pretty frequently in my experience of daily image builds | 03:24 |
| Kamion | they're also not quite as accurate in terms of what you're telling apt to do | 03:24 |
| Kamion | aptitude remembers what you've explicitly requested be installed | 03:25 |
| Kamion | if you request that a metapackage be installed, it will try not to remove the metapackage, but won't have any particular reason not to remove anything else | 03:25 |
| Kamion | if you request that a task be installed, it will try to keep everything in the task | 03:25 |
| Kamion | at least, that's how it should conceptually work; I'm not sure if the implementation currently matches up to that | 03:26 |
| hendry | it would be good if apt-cache show kubuntu-standard worked | 03:26 |
| Kamion | this is when you're asking it to clean up packages that aren't used any more, btw | 03:26 |
| Kamion | it's intentional that there's no kubuntu-standard package | 03:26 |
| Kamion | that task only really exists for the benefit of the installer | 03:27 |
| hendry | i meant, that it would be good to show a task ... | 03:27 |
| Kamion | oh, well that sort of thing is more likely to happen in aptitude anyway | 03:27 |
| Kamion | apt-get/apt-cache don't know about tasks | 03:27 |
| hendry | but aptitude does... | 03:28 |
| hendry | Kamion: ok, thanks for the explaination | 03:28 |
| Kamion | aptitude search \~tubuntu-standard | 03:29 |
| hendry | woo | 03:29 |
| Kamion | or \~tkubuntu-standard | 03:29 |
| hendry | yes | 03:30 |
| hendry | these tasks get applied to the package list by indices? | 03:31 |
| hendry | perry$ apt-cache show wget | grep Task | 03:31 |
| hendry | Task: edubuntu-standard, kubuntu-standard, ubuntu-standard | 03:31 |
| hendry | I think i see a problem | 03:32 |
| hendry | because I want Hannux to use Ubuntu in the sources.list. I want to use the Ubuntu "wget" package | 03:32 |
| hendry | since Ubuntu controls the package list, how will hannux-standard make it there? | 03:33 |
| Kamion | you're looking at a different list. | 03:34 |
| Kamion | you're looking at the one in archive.ubuntu.com | 03:34 |
| Kamion | cdimage makes up its own for Packages files on CD images | 03:34 |
| hendry | but once "hannux" is installed | 03:35 |
| hendry | it will be using package lists from archive.ubuntu.com and hannux.com | 03:35 |
| Kamion | well, if you're using the Kubuntu seeds, then you'll have kubuntu-standard installed | 03:35 |
| hendry | or are you saying, it doesn't matter, because they are only used in the initial install? | 03:35 |
| Kamion | (the metapackage) | 03:35 |
| Kamion | if you're not using them directly, but branching them, then you can create a hannux-standard metapackage | 03:36 |
| Kamion | yes, exactly that, the tasks only really matter in the initial install | 03:36 |
| hendry | Kamion: ok, that's fine then ... | 03:36 |
| hendry | what about base-files? | 03:36 |
| Kamion | what about it? | 03:36 |
| hendry | how do I get hannux in the issue? | 03:36 |
| Kamion | hendry: you can branch base-files on hannux.com if you like, and if you're prepared to fix all the packages that care about seeing Ubuntu in lsb-release output and the like | 03:37 |
| Kamion | if you leave /etc/lsb-release alone you have a better chance of it not breaking everything | 03:37 |
| hendry | Kamion: ok, point taken | 03:37 |
| Kamion | changing /etc/issue and /etc/issue.net should be relatively safe from that point of view | 03:38 |
| hendry | I could hopefully override the archive with my own hannux archive. so it install base-file from my repo, instead of yours. | 03:38 |
| hendry | in your override.dapper.* indices, there is no mention of tasks | 03:40 |
| Kamion | that's what I'd expect you to do, yes | 03:40 |
| hendry | so I guess I need to add Task override | 03:40 |
| Kamion | let cdimage take care of that | 03:40 |
| Kamion | it's done dynamically - don't poke at it manually, is my advice | 03:40 |
| hendry | oh | 03:41 |
| Kamion | look at cdimage/bin/germinate-to-tasks and whatever it is in debian-cd that handles the other end of that (debian-cd/tools/scanpackages, IIIRC) | 03:41 |
| Kamion | IIRC | 03:41 |
| Kamion | if you look at the Packages files in your CD image, it's probably already there | 03:42 |
| hendry | oh yes | 03:42 |
| hendry | :) | 03:43 |
| Kamion | I'm not saying cdimage is perfect, but it has nearly two years of accumulated cleverness ;) | 03:43 |
| Kamion | the hard bit is the setup ... | 03:44 |
| hendry | do you edit the germinate seeds for ubuntu often? | 03:45 |
| Kamion | yes | 03:45 |
| hendry | because i need to figure out how to merge in changes in bzr | 03:45 |
| Kamion | bzr merge <location of other archive> | 03:46 |
| Kamion | fix up any conflicts | 03:46 |
| Kamion | bzr commit | 03:46 |
| hendry | do you use bzr to sync up to Debian stuff etc? | 03:46 |
| Kamion | the seeds are an Ubuntu thing, they don't come from Debian | 03:46 |
| Kamion | if you mean packages, it depends on the packages | 03:46 |
| Kamion | the plan is eventually to do that, but we don't have bzr imports of the packages yet (we have baz imports of some, but not all) | 03:47 |
| hendry | i was wondering if you use some other tools | 03:47 |
| Kamion | depends | 03:47 |
| hendry | to compare diffs of debian and ubuntu | 03:47 |
| Kamion | http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/patches/ | 03:47 |
| Kamion | er, sorry, wrong url | 03:48 |
| hendry | perry$ bzr merge http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/bzr/seeds.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/seeds/dapper/ | 03:48 |
| hendry | bzr: ERROR: Branch <bzrlib.store.revision.text.TextRevisionStore object at 0xb78d33ac> has no revision entries | 03:48 |
| Kamion | http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/ongoing-merge/ I think it is | 03:48 |
| Kamion | no idea, ask on #bzr or something, sounds like either your bzr or your branch or both are busted | 03:49 |
| Kamion | try pulling down a copy of the seeds.ubuntu.com branch and merging from your local copy of that | 03:49 |
| hendry | bleh. ok. | 03:49 |
| hendry | i got a 404 on http://seeds.ubuntu.com/ | 03:49 |
| hendry | i guess you mean your URI | 03:50 |
| Kamion | you quoted the URL yourself a moment ago, it contains seeds.ubuntu.com | 03:50 |
| Kamion | I know that seeds.ubuntu.com itself does not exist; it's intended to at some point, but we haven't got round to it | 03:50 |
| hendry | oh nps | 03:50 |
| hendry | are the mepis ppl also working with you? | 03:50 |
| hendry | i couldn't help notice they are doing the same thing as me | 03:50 |
| Kamion | not me personally | 03:51 |
| Kamion | but they're doing live CDs, which is a bit different | 03:51 |
| Kamion | (AIUI) | 03:51 |
| hendry | AIUI? | 03:51 |
| Kamion | as I understand it | 03:51 |
| Kamion | you don't have to set up Packages files on CD images or anything for live CDs; it's much easier | 03:51 |
| hendry | but they'll have to use expresso right? | 03:51 |
| Kamion | ("espresso") | 03:52 |
| Kamion | depends, if they want to | 03:52 |
| Kamion | they might have their own installer they'd want to use | 03:52 |
| Kamion | since espresso isn't done yet they might reasonably be steering clear for now | 03:52 |
| Kamion | we're certainly not making them use anything they don't want to use | 03:52 |
| hendry | i haven't even thought about live CDs yet. as my boss is keen on the server market, more so that the desktop. | 03:52 |
| Kamion | right, no particular reason you should | 03:53 |
| hendry | ok thanks again Kamion | 03:53 |
| hendry | you're very helpful :) | 03:53 |
| Kamion | I know some people think live CDs can do everything and should replace install CDs, but I've never subscribed to that view ... | 03:53 |
| hendry | Kamion: i agree | 03:53 |
| Kamion | (in fact it irritates me immensely :-)) | 03:53 |
| hendry | :) | 03:53 |
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