[12:04] <_TomB> I have a directory tmp/ with the files and directories in [12:04] jordi, pong [12:05] _TomB: What did you need to update? [12:05] <_TomB> some casper scripts [12:05] _TomB: I suggest grabbing the source casper package, adding the scripts to that, rebuilding, and installing the casper package. [12:06] Then you need to update the initramfs of the kernel used on the live CD. It helps if you have the -386 kernel installed on your system. [12:06] <_TomB> what's the easiest way to rebuild into a .deb? [12:07] _TomB: Grab the source, make the changes you want, and then in the main sorce directory, run dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot. Make sure you have casper's build dependancies as well as fakeroot installed. === Red_Herring [n=dsl@c-67-162-70-40.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:07] hey, anyone concidered adding easyubuntu to dapper by default? === Kyral [n=kyral@HyperDream.hamlin.clarkson.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:08] Red_Herring, not for dapper. Something like easyubuntu would need to be discussed early [12:08] hrm, couldnt it be concidered "polishing"? [12:09] Red_Herring, it is a significant new feature and is not polishing [12:09] well, easyubuntu is already finished, if i am not mistaken [12:10] i dont think it would be difficult to just add it to the start menu by default [12:10] Red_Herring, finished != integrated [12:10] but ill take your word for it [12:10] Burgwork: all it needs ot be "integrated" is to have a applications menu entry [12:10] Red_Herring, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/CommonInstallHook [12:11] Burgwork: hmm, want to test the Debian fix for your nano bug? [12:11] the Ubuntu package will need to be different, due to uvf [12:12] jordi, my nano bug? [12:12] the crontab editing thing [12:12] I think you reported it [12:12] jordi, was that a reportbug paste jobby? [12:12] oh, probably [12:13] ah [12:13] the email for the reporter is there [12:13] has ANYONE taken any consideration on allowing the end user to install 3rd party apps that arent FOSS without all the terminal work? [12:13] Red_Herring, yes, via searching for them in Add/Remove or Synaptic [12:14] Burgwork: uhh, they arent added by default, they are in the multiverse, and there still isnt java1.5 in the repos [12:14] maybe the latest update in the past 10 days or so has changed that, but not since i used it last [12:15] Red_Herring, this is very much an understood problem and I understand it is annoying that the solution isn't here, but it is not going to happen for dapper [12:15] so what was the "6 weeks for polishing" for? [12:16] fixing hte 9000 open bugs in Malone [12:16] w/e, i can help w/ the next release, but i still think its not that hard to have easyubuntu installed by default, and to just add it to the menu [12:16] have it be dapper or the next release [12:16] sorry, make that 9500 open bugs [12:17] Burgwork: hrm, so in the mean time, how hard is it for a guy to add it, im willing to do it myself, but i wanna know if anyone will take my idea seriously [12:17] Red_Herring, here are the steps that are needed to make Easy ubuntu be available in ubuntu [12:18] 1 - Package EasyUbuntu in .deb and get it into the repos [12:18] 2 - Fill out a MainInclusionReport to get it into main [12:18] 3 - ask the devs to add it the install cd [12:18] and i got what? 8 weeks to do this? [12:19] well, i know there is a freeze in the last few weeks or so [12:19] so more like a month [12:19] sooner is better [12:20] but is this idea gonna be taken seriously? [12:20] it would be great to get it packaged [12:20] are there any serious problems that i dont know about? [12:20] other than the ppc version doesnt have much features === mdke [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:20] <_TomB> Thank you TheMuso [12:21] Red_Herring, get it packaged and then we can have this dicussion again [12:21] ... any ideas where i can get a howto on that? [12:21] i have no experiance w/ packaging once so ever [12:21] Red_Herring, ask in #ubuntu-motu [12:21] they will get you going === Red_Herring wonders if they will tell me to go to #ubuntu-devel [12:22] nope [12:22] Red_Herring, you might also want to coordinate with this person http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/viewtopic.php?id=31515 [12:24] thanks... i dont speak french [12:24] Red_Herring, that is a surmoutable problem [12:25] google translator... [12:26] so someone already made a package... [12:27] that makes things exponentially easier [12:27] Red_Herring: where? and it might be better to move to -motu [12:27] http://frazap.freehostia.com/easyubuntu_20060327.deb [12:28] ok, but this is just an idea, i really should not be made responsible for maintaing anything === stratus [n=stratus@201008051060.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kyral [n=kyral@HyperDream.hamlin.clarkson.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jlj [n=agp@207.67.194.249] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Aegir [n=richard@d58-105-36-34.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === crimsun_ [n=crimsun@66.248.140.183] has joined #ubuntu-devel === FunnyLookinHat [n=FunnyLoo@71.57.11.218] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgwork [n=corey@d66-183-174-128.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Chipzz [n=chipzz@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nekohayo [n=jeff@ip216-239-78-150.vif.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:56] hey there, if I want to file a bug on the logout dialog, what is the package name? === bpuccio [n=brian@ool-457a9c38.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === didymo [n=ashley@CPE-61-9-197-223.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:04] nekohayo: I'm not actually sure. Try gnome-panel [02:05] nekohayo: gnome-session [02:06] just to make sure: I'm not the only one that the logout dialog pops up when waking up from standby am I ? [02:07] nekohayo: even if you are, it's still a bug [02:07] nekohayo: hrm, interesting - do you go into suspend from the logout dialogue? [02:07] yes [02:08] filed as https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/38301 [02:08] Malone bug 38301 in gnome-session "logout dialog pops up when waking up from standby mode" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [02:08] nekohayo: nice one - make sure to metnion that :) [02:09] just out of curiosity jdub, I remember hibernation working in breezy/hoary, and it doesn't anymore, is there a bug I can watch about this? [02:09] not sure [02:10] I have another nasty one [02:10] and... why can't I translate espresso in rosetta >_ hibernating *closes* your session [02:10] which is not at all what I want [02:12] I see parts of the graphical installer not being translated in French, I would like to be able to correct that :| [02:14] nekohayo: Should work with the latest kernel [02:14] Chipzz: Does it? [02:15] Chipzz: do you mean that it fails to unhibernate and gives you a fresh boot? [02:15] what do you mean mjg59 ? what should work? the standby bug? I'm fully up to date [02:15] Chipzz: ?! ouch [02:16] why can't laptops be smart and sleep until they run out of juice then hibernate? [02:16] nekohayo: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/debian-installer/+pots/debian-installer/fr/+translate [02:16] Amaranth: They will [02:16] nekohayo: Hibernate [02:16] nekohayo: As of today [02:16] Amaranth: At least, most modern machines will [02:17] Amaranth: They'll wake up when the battery becomes critical, at which point g-p-m will hibernate them [02:17] sladen: thanks. I was searching for "espresso" [02:17] mjg59: great, we can remove "Hibernate" from the "end of session" dialog then ;) [02:18] Amaranth: no, sometimes you really want to know that you can hibernate and pull the plug out of the wall (or the battery out of the laptop) [02:18] hmm...work on alacarte or go read my new book [02:18] jdub: ah, good point === crimsun [i=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:20] nekohayo: actually it might be. Did you use the LiveCD to install? In which case, yes, it would be espresso-gtk I think [02:21] yeah I'm talking about the livecd [02:21] but when looking at the "software list" in rosetta, I ctrl-F "espres" and nothing matches === theCore [n=alex@toronto-HSE-ppp4205896.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:29] not a fresh boot, but a fresh session [02:30] it only happens when I use the gnome menu [02:30] not when I use the power manager applet right click [02:30] Chipzz: Oh, right [02:30] The logout menu signals in the wrong way [02:31] hey something is itching me: why isn't the "system" menu in the gnome menu bar applet never translated? I think I saw it translated in stable releases, but it always reverts to "system" when in a development ubuntu, is there a reason ?_? [02:31] why is* [02:31] nekohayo: well, it's an ubuntu-only modification [02:31] mjg59: not unavoidable (just use the power manager), but quite annoying as the power manager is not easily keyboard accesible [02:31] nekohayo: the translation for it probably keeps coming up fuzzy or something [02:32] it's ubuntu-done? not upstream? [02:32] "System" is, yes === engla [n=ulrik@wikipedia/Sverdrup] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [02:32] in upstream GNOME it's called "Desktop" [02:32] Chipzz: As I said, it's a bug in the logout dialog (rather than hibernate) [02:33] yea, slight misphrasing on my part [02:33] o_O I never knew upstream called it desktop... now that's surprising me === Aegir [n=richard@C1480153.wl148.flinders.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg@210.4.38.43] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lakin [n=lakin@S01060013101832ce.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marcin` [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel === reda_ea [n=reda@adsl196-103-70-206-196.adsl196-3.iam.net.ma] has joined #ubuntu-devel === spiv [n=andrew@adsl-66-203.swiftdsl.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:09] Bug 36512 is filed against alsa-driver, but it looks like maybe it's a kernel issue -- certainly kernel updates affect it. Should it be reassigned? [03:09] Malone bug 36512 in alsa-driver "Dell Inspiron 630m sound is broken" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/36512 === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tritium [n=tritium@ubuntu/member/tritium] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:14] spiv: thanks, I'll triage it. [03:14] (and do the necessary git work to push) [03:16] crimsun: Thanks! === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === FunnyLookinHat [n=FunnyLoo@71.57.11.218] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Aegir [n=richard@C1480153.wl148.flinders.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdke_ [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tritium [n=tritium@ubuntu/member/tritium] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mbiebl [n=michael@dslb-084-056-239-158.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.5.103.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdke [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.36] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dark [i=deviled_@microsoft.gotrooted.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === torkel [i=torkel@69-188.umenet.t3.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === RemoteViewer [n=555@stan.physik.fu-berlin.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === neuralis [n=krstic@solarsail.hcs.harvard.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lutany [i=aba@redruth.greenbean.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nikolas_ [n=nick@unaffiliated/nicktastic] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Riddell [i=jr@muse.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LarstiQ [n=larstiq@cust.7.157.adsl.cistron.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi_ [n=wasabi@207.55.180.150] has joined #ubuntu-devel === niven [n=niven@toronto-HSE-ppp4025048.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-099-249.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === KaiL_ [n=KaiL@p548F7A5A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === FliesLikeABrick [n=Ryan@about/rpi/rawdor] has joined #ubuntu-devel === JaneW [n=JaneW@dsl-146-191-135.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rajasun [n=maximusp@bb220-255-207-70.singnet.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:08] it appears that if sw raid decides to do recovery at boot (because I rebooted the machine during recovering the array), then evms just doesn't start. Once the recovery finishes, rebooting the machine makes things happy again. joy, joy === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman is now known as GmanAFK === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-64-26-147-13.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua_@222.50.183.191] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Aegir [n=richard@C1480153.wl148.flinders.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j^ [n=j@e178005169.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Aegir [n=richard@C1480153.wl148.flinders.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [n=scott@syndicate.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:08] Keybuk: Your dpkg upload is FTBFS. [08:09] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/dpkg/1.13.11ubuntu3 [08:10] sweet === FliesLikeABrick [n=Ryan@about/rpi/rawdor] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:11] will just bounce that back to the Nexenta guys === mbiebl [n=michael@dslb-084-056-228-074.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:12] heh [08:12] in fact [08:12] let's just reject that [08:13] next time I'll read a patch before applying it :) [08:13] !!! [08:13] ;-) === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:13] *shrug* mdz did his "URGENT! MAJOR! DAPPER 6.06!" thing on it, so I assumed he'd read it [08:14] Keybuk, hi. I'm the Debian co-maintainer of NM and wanted to discuss the handling of devices defined in /e/n/i with you. [08:14] Got a minute? [08:14] sure [08:14] let me just get some razor blades [08:15] I love NM [08:15] oh yes [08:15] Your current policy seems to handle all devices not listed in /e/n/i, and all with dhcp+auto. [08:15] Good morning [08:16] that's right [08:16] or, to put it another way [08:16] Hey Keybuk [08:16] Which seems a bit strange to me, because devices with auto are ifup with -a (/e/i/networking) [08:16] all devices that the user hasn't provided some kind of configuration for, that would conflict with whatever NM tried to do with it [08:16] Wouldn't noauto+dhcp make more sense? [08:16] no [08:16] because noauto means "I don't want this device brought up" [08:16] it would for ethernet cards in principle [08:16] but the user has to configure that manually [08:17] yes, auto+dhcp is brought up by udev, but not necessarily on the right wireless network [08:17] it's NM's job to fix that later [08:17] Hm, but so the device is handled by /etc/init.d/networking and NM? [08:17] no, by udev and NM in Ubuntu [08:17] bit inelegant, I agree [08:17] but users never really notice [08:18] Do you think, we should introduce a new keyword besides manual/static and dhcp? [08:18] no [08:18] because then we're getting as confusing as hell [08:18] I think we should throw away ifupdown and admit that it just doesn't work these days [08:18] there are much more interesting problems with it [08:18] ;-) [08:19] like the fact that it doesn't understand that dhclient can cause a network to go down when a lease is revoked, etc. [08:20] Keybuk: yesterday night I wrote a patch for n-m to make it work without wpasupplicant (w. trashes my Airport Extreme, and in general it's not really requrired); any objections if I upload that? === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:20] pitti: nope, none [08:21] Ok, for now I will choose the same behaviour for the Debian packages: auto+dhcp and not defined. [08:21] Keybuk: I'll explicitly seed it to ship in exchange [08:21] I'm strongly leaning towards not seeding n-m, not even for live [08:21] just leave it in supported [08:21] Keybuk: uh, why not? I thought we wanted it in main? [08:21] which, I guess means it's seeded, but you know what I mean [08:21] Keybuk: hm, I'd vote for ship [08:21] mbiebl: beware that there's an NM bug which means it crashes if you have anything else in /e/n/i at the moment :) [08:22] pitti: maybe ship [08:22] Keybuk: it doesn't seem like replacing ifupdown with a smarter tool is too much work. if you want to spec it out, i'd be happy to write a replacement for edgy. [08:22] the problem with it on Live is that you then can't configure a static IP [08:22] Keybuk: yes, !desktop [08:22] you go into the admin tools and configure your static IP [08:22] Does that only affect the ubuntu backend? [08:22] and NM fights you, and changes it back again [08:22] mbiebl: it affects anything that says "no, don't control this interface" [08:22] Keybuk: right, it doesn't dynamically react to /e/n/i changes [08:22] Keybuk: I nudged on that bug because if our derivatives are sending us patches, we should be reading them and applying them where appropriate [08:24] neuralis: my general thoughts are to go with something entirely different, where we have a set of ways of configuring any interface that comes up; and that each interface can elect to be configured or not in those ways [08:24] (which makes no sense, it's hard to explain) [08:24] ogra: good news then! I currently upload a new n-m; upgrade to that, remove wpasupplicant, then the AE runs smooth as silk (even without that hackish if-pre-up.d script) [08:24] pitti, NM would have to monitor /e/n/i for that. Don't know if it wouldn't be easier to add a hook to the admin tool to call NM to update its config. [08:24] mbiebl: that crashes NM too at the moment :( [08:24] mbiebl: yes, inotify could come in handy there :) === Keybuk thought of that [08:25] Keybuk, not good. === marilize [n=marilize@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:25] NM is a piece of crap [08:25] Keybuk: you say that at the time when it really really works for me the very first time :) [08:26] pitti: now suspend your machine [08:26] *KA-BOOM* [08:26] Keybuk: yes, I need to do iwconfig eth0 rate auto, but that's a bug in the bcm43xx driver [08:26] Keybuk: actually, that makes sense, and i've been thinking about something along the same lines. [08:26] Keybuk: after that, it just works [08:27] Keybuk: i. e. I need my personal /etc/power/resume.d script, but that's about it [08:27] Keybuk: i'll prod you about writing a spec when the next conference rolls around. === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:27] neuralis: the net effect would be that there's always a default way of configuring every interface -- which would probably amount to "try DHCP, fall back to 169.254" type thing [08:27] pitti: NM gets very upset when you ifdown interfaces it's playing with [08:28] and the acpi stuff ifdown and ifups interfaces [08:28] have you guys ever heard a successful report about wpasupplicant on powerpc? [08:28] also NM gets very upset if you UP interfaces it doesn't know about [08:28] Keybuk: yes, the interface is shut down on suspend [08:28] then it starts playing silly buggers [08:28] I didn't try the latter [08:29] pitti: \o/ on the "make wpasupplication optional" patch. [08:29] infinity: :) [08:29] supplicant, too. [08:29] infinity: ITYM suppository [08:30] Btw, is there a specific reason, why you wrote an own backend for ubuntu. I had a quick look at it and I think the differences are so minor, that there could be easily adapted/merged into the Debian backend. [08:30] Do you want to keep your own backend or would you prefer you unify it again to save some work? [08:31] just on general principal mostly [08:31] I didn't expect Debian to follow [08:31] so was easier to do it as a separate file [08:32] It's mostly the handling of resolv.conf (where we have a slightly different approach in Debian) and the handling of device in /e/n/i [08:33] And for the latter the Ubuntu behaviour seems sane to me. So I will adapt that. [08:37] mbiebl: what do you think of making wpasupplicant optional? If you agree, I'll put the debdiff somewhere === Firetech [n=Jocke@h78n2fls311o1100.telia.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:39] our resolv.conf handling is pretty hand-wavy [08:39] Why not. If it does not have negative side effects I'm all for it. [08:39] basically just "let dhclient do that" === j^ [n=j@e178005169.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:40] There are still users that don't need encryption and so would benefit of it. === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bmon [n=monnahan@232.Red-88-0-49.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:49] pitti, let me know, when you have the patch ready, or post it to the Debian BTS. I will then take a look at it. === mvo [n=egon@p54A658CA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:50] mbiebl: it's already uploaded to Ubuntu [08:51] mbiebl: http://patches.ubuntu.com/patches/network-manager.optional-wpasupplicant.diff [08:52] pitti, thanks. [08:52] mbiebl: pretty straightforward === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:57] Have to go to work now, guys. Nice talking to you. [08:57] cu === kagou [n=kagou@84.6.192.55] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:05] hi [09:05] hi kagou [09:07] i want to help translating messages on the first boot screen when installing. Where can i do that ?! [09:08] kagou: hm, gfxboot doesn't yet seem to be imported into Rosetta [09:10] ok pitti [09:12] Mithrandir: have you ever seen bootchart not be killed by stop-bootchart? === nirmal [n=lgrg2005@61.17.22.86] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:14] pitti: gfxboot-theme-ubuntu is in rosetta, it's all translated (french) but the fr.po in source package is not synchronized. is it normal ?! it's not automatical ? === klepas [n=klepas@203-213-31-142.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:15] kagou: oh, 'Translations' is greyed out on https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gfxboot-theme-ubuntu, interesting [09:15] kagou: entirely possible, Rosetta currently has a huge import backlog === ogami1972 [n=michael@66-90-205-20.dyn.grandenetworks.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:16] thanks pitti [09:17] hey all you ubuntu developers! [09:17] THANK YOU! it's great! [09:17] ogami1972: thanks for the flowers :) [09:17] :) [09:17] ogami1972: so, what's your pet bug? :-P [09:18] well, i am just a lowly user [09:18] but [09:18] no wait- no buts [09:18] ubuntu is the best! [09:18] rock! [09:19] pitti: it might be a good idea to add wpasupplicant to desktop on i386 so that it can work out of the box [09:19] mdz: it's in standard [09:19] oh? [09:19] mdz: I wanted to seed it to the same component as n-m itself [09:19] oh, so it's in desktop already, I see [09:19] ah, so it is [09:19] hm, that's pretty bad [09:20] mdz: it works well, and integrates nicely with ifupdown, etc. [09:20] so deserves to be alongside things like wireless-tools [09:20] right, I remember having to uninstall u-standard when I purged wpasupplicant [09:20] but I thought pitti changed the dependency because having it installed broke things on powerpc [09:20] am running 2 "dist-upgrade" boxes ( a compaq presario 900Mhz and a Inspirion 3700) and breezy on a dimension 2.4g- am setting up a dual-boot sytem to give away ( my third) [09:20] right [09:20] it works ok on powerpc for me [09:20] but if it's in standard, that was a no-op at least for the live cd [09:20] I thought it was just NM+WPA that broke [09:20] anyway- thx again! [09:20] and to some extent for the installed system too === ogami1972 [n=michael@66-90-205-20.dyn.grandenetworks.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [09:20] Keybuk: right, N-M [09:21] yes, but there's currently no way to tell n-m not to use it [09:21] I want to take NM out of live anyway [09:21] oh? [09:21] it's damned hard to shut down [09:21] and means people can't use things like ppp, static IP, etc. on the live cd [09:21] which seems rather a bug [09:23] so, if I'm right, n-m needs to dynamically react to /e/n/i changes for that, that's about it? [09:23] not just /e/n/i changes [09:23] also manual ifconfig ones, hmm [09:23] ppp brings up ppp0, NM goes "aha! I'll manage that, THANK YOU VERY MUCH" [09:23] can it sensibly drive modems? [09:24] I don't think so [09:24] would be a great wishlist bug ;) [09:24] why not have it ignore ppp* then? [09:24] pitti: because right now, it'd crash whenever you brought up a ppp* interface [09:24] oh dear [09:24] NM IS MY FAVOURITE EVER THING === pitti hugs Keybuk [09:25] Keybuk: let's take nm and cupsys out for a public spanking :-P === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:31] aww [09:32] I'd prefer a public hanging === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:32] make them both dance the hemp fandango [09:34] mdz: Can I get a UVF exception for Subversion 1.3.1? Looks like only bugfixes. Changelog at: http://svn.collab.net/repos/svn/tags/1.3.1/CHANGES === carlos [n=carlos@68.Red-88-3-205.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:35] infinity: looks good [09:35] mdz: Rock. Thanks. [09:36] pitti, nice === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:39] siretart: ya know, it's probably easier if we just chat on IRC :) [09:41] did you mean "waiting for root filesystem", not "waiting for sysfs"? :p === Treenaks 's machine hangs when booting the flight6 CD === holy_cow [n=a@mail.wjsgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:42] Treenaks: anywhere in particular? [09:42] Pressing Shift (and then 'abort'ing the graphical stuff) makes it work. [09:42] Keybuk: there :) [09:42] shift? graphical stuff? [09:43] Keybuk: Yes, in the bootloader [09:43] Keybuk: Pressing shift disables gfxboot [09:43] LiveCD? [09:43] no, install [09:43] I thought we used grub? === Huahua [n=hua_@222.50.183.37] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:44] Keybuk: Whatever is used, using 'shift' I can disable the graphical bootloader, and then it works. [09:44] and you see "waiting for sysfs" or something? [09:45] Keybuk: No, I see an Ubuntu logo, and the system hangs [09:45] Keybuk: it doesn't even get to the point where it loads/boots the kernel [09:45] Different bug. [09:45] so you were just jumping in, while I was looking like I was in a bug-fixing mood, eh? [09:45] DON'T YOU KNOW HOW EARLY IT IS?! ")($ :p [09:45] Treenaks: Your bug has been reported against gfxboot-theme-ubuntu, and isn't what Keybuk was talking about. :) [09:45] infinity: oh ok :) [09:46] Keybuk: I saw 'booting bug' and jumped in :) [09:46] infinity: do you know much about LVM? [09:46] Yeah, cause we only ever have one of those at a time. :) [09:46] Keybuk, thanks for pointing out *yawn* [09:46] Keybuk: Do you know what SFA stands for? [09:47] infinity: nope [09:47] Treenaks: yes, known bug, working on it [09:47] Keybuk: fabbione may be your man for lvm stuff... At least, he's probably used it more than once. [09:47] ogra: pointing out? [09:47] Kamion: ok, thanks [09:47] Keybuk: Oh. In that case, I know "sweet fuck all" about lvm. Now you know. :) [09:47] ahh [09:47] DON'T YOU KNOW HOW EARLY IT IS?! ")($ :p [09:47] I would have got that, had it been, oh, after breakfast [09:47] kagou: yes, gfxboot-theme-ubuntu is (obviously) not subject to language packs and requires me to sync translations from Rosetta by hand, which I do every so often [09:48] Kamion: ok thanks for the precision [09:48] fabbione: siretart is trying to mount a rootfilesystem with /dev/$VOLUMEGROUP/$LOGICAL [09:48] which I've never heard of before [09:48] and clearly, neither has the lvm initramfs script [09:48] Kamion: No, no progress yet, sorry [09:48] Keybuk: that's common enough practice] [09:49] minus the random punctuation that happens to be next to my Enter key [09:49] the practice dates from LVM1 really, before /dev/mapper/ was in use === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B0AB1.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:49] (AFAIK) [09:49] Kamion: oh, elmo let me in :) so I guess at some point I'm ready to start lessons on ftp stuff [09:49] Kamion: do you know what creates those device nodes? [09:50] nope [09:50] bugger [09:50] sure, can give you a run-through once I've woken up a bit [09:50] Keybuk: That works after the system is up. [09:50] Kamion: may be you could answer me ... is there a project to translate init messages ?! [09:50] Keybuk: But the kernel expects /dev/mapper/$VG-$LV. [09:50] hunger: s/kernel/initramfs/ [09:50] kagou: no, and no infrastructure for it yet either so doing the translations would be kinda pointless [09:50] kernel doesn't expect anything [09:50] hunger: do you know what creates the /dev/$VG/$LV then? [09:51] Keybuk: Aehm, right. [09:51] ok [09:51] Keybuk: I'd expect the lvm start/stop script, but I never bothered to look. [09:51] Keybuk: bug number? [09:51] I thought I remembered the LVM tools transforming /dev/$VG/$LV into /dev/mapper/$VG-$LV at run-time, or something crazy like that [09:51] Kamion: yes that is correct [09:51] fabbione: bug 38236 [09:51] Malone bug 38236 in lvm-common "boot with root on lvm fails with root=/dev/vg/lv" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/38236 [09:51] mjg59: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dirkolbertz/124109733/ [09:51] oh man [09:52] so it's sickness [09:52] Keybuk: I can confirm that. I stumbled over that before as well. [09:52] so what you're saying is that /dev/$VG/$LV never exists [09:52] and the evil lvm tools of doom just go "oh, you mean /dev/mapper/$VG-$LV" whenever you mention them? === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-086-214.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:53] Dapper development status meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 7 minutes === Kamion really hopes that spamassassin doesn't get the wrong idea here === vuntz_ [n=vuntz@volin.imag.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:53] recently I've started getting lots of spam forged from mdz@ubuntu.com [09:53] Keybuk: rejected.. [09:54] Keybuk: it's not a bug.. [09:54] Kamion: heh, me too [09:54] oh [09:54] the meeting.. [09:54] bogofilter has since started filing ALL mails from mdz [09:54] hel i forgot to write the report! [09:54] do it quickly [09:54] Keybuk: Ick. There's nothing we can do to solve that, since /dev/randomstring/randomstring could just as easily refer to a real device, so I can't go blindly trying it as an LV... [09:54] infinity: indeed [09:55] I totally agree [09:55] Keybuk: Or can I, perhaps, depending on when it's done? === wjb [n=warren@c220-237-176-23.lowrp1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === infinity ponders. [09:55] Either way, icky. [09:55] infinity: the lvm script could assuming anything /dev/*/* was worth a try [09:55] but no [09:55] Keybuk: Just remove /dev/$VG/$LV during runtime:-) [09:55] that bug can go to the great big REJECTED bin in the sky === seb128__ [n=seb128@ANancy-151-1-65-155.w83-196.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Diziet [n=ian@xenophobe.extern.relativity.greenend.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:00] Diziet: I always meant to ask; are you Diziet the drone, or Diziet Sma? === olemke [n=olemke@iup.physik.uni-bremen.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:04] Sma. === lloydinho [n=andreas@rosinante.egmont-kol.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pef [n=pef@42.42.64-86.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:08] hello, what does "PaS" means in a debian/changelog ? [10:08] Packages-arch-Specific or something [10:08] yep === pvanhoof [n=pvanhoof@mailhost.newtec.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:09] perfect, thank you :) [10:09] basically the list of "not for us" packages for a given arch [10:18] Riddell: ok, then, there are three .pot files from kdebase that should be fixed. They are generated, but are using UTF-8 chars inside it and thus, the header should have 'charset=UTF-8', gettext does it automatically, I'm not sure why is not done for KDE... The .pot files are: kfontinst.pot knetattach.pot konqueror.pot [10:19] Riddell: also, the hacks.pot file from kdeartwork lacks the standard header that all .pot and .po files have and we are rejecting it [10:19] could you fix it, please? [10:19] carlos: I'll look into them [10:20] Riddell: thanks. I can file bugs about those problems if you prefer it.. [10:23] Keybuk rigth now NM with orinoco_pci does not work with encrypted networks, and without a patch(bug 36708) for hostap_pci it does not works with unencypted networks with hostap_pci. indending to change that? [10:24] Malone bug 36708 in network-manager "[PATCH] wpa_supplicant needs to know about hostap driver" [Critical,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/36708 [10:24]