[12:07] robotgeek: ok. I can send the patch to mailing list [12:08] robotgeek: which ever you prefer [12:08] frank_: send it to list (public record of contribution) [12:08] robotgeek: ok === Kyral [n=kyral@HyperDream.hamlin.clarkson.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:08] hey unclocked Kyral [12:09] huh? [12:09] unclocked? [12:09] uncloaked, err [12:09] yah [12:09] I forgot to set my IDENTIFY command to fire off [12:10] hmm [12:10] this Beyond patchset seems a little more...snappy === jd_ [n=jd@wikipedia/Meanos] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:13] robotgeek: I don't know if the patch made it to the list. I just changed email [12:14] frank_: did you subscribe and stuff? [12:15] robotgeek: well I had subscribed before. I changed my email address in my existing account. I don't know if that worked [12:15] frank_: probably not, don't get anything here :) [12:15] robotgeek: ok I just got the confirmation email. it just took a while :) [12:16] robotgeek: I can send it again. It might double post [12:17] frank_: heh, double post then and keep it under 40 kb :) === mdke [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:23] robotgeek: this time the patch should make it to the list. anything else I can do? [12:24] frank_: just look at the guide as a whole, and see if we can polish in any way? [12:30] frank_: havent received it yet [12:31] Burgwork: I'm taking care of Red_Herring ;-) [12:31] robotgeek: it should have worked. === robotgeek should have taken care of Red_Herring [12:32] LaserJock, with a bat I hope :) [12:32] frank_: maybe cc to me? [12:33] or resend, err [12:35] I've got a validation failure from an xref to another file in the same manual. how should a file know to include (or parse?) another file to resolve xrefs? [12:36] trappist: try to validate the main document [12:36] in the packaging guide that should be packagingguide.xml? [12:37] trappist: yup [12:37] gotcha. that validates. [12:38] robotgeek: ok I sent it again with you as cc === Kyral [n=kyral@HyperDream.hamlin.clarkson.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:40] frank_: heh, did not get it. is it working :) [12:41] robotgeek: I have no idea. yahoo is lazy [12:42] frank_: okay, i guess i'll just wait [12:47] robotgeek: If I proof read another section, will you have time to incude it? how hard is the deadline? [12:47] frank_: yes, we'll have time [12:48] robotgeek: which one should I do? [12:48] frank_: did you find any changes to make. === robotgeek needs to get coffee (productivity is going down) [12:49] trappist: wow, you're touching my baby ;-) [12:51] robotgeek: I'm sure there are small things anywhere... I could do common-tasks [12:51] frank_: cool [12:53] Burgwork: hmmm, I think I should have taken your suggestion :s [12:54] LaserJock, indeed === crimsun_ [n=crimsun@66.248.140.183] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:55] frank_: still not received, is this from your original email address? [12:55] robotgeek: I tried from both [12:55] frank_: finally, recvd [01:05] frank_: mind if i add your name to the list of contributors? [01:06] sure: Franois LeBlanc [01:07] frank_: will be up in next patchset :) [01:08] robotgeek: cool === avoine [n=avoine@modemcable192.224-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [i=user@69-87-143-238.async.iserv.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:17] if i want to help translate xml file like the Ubuntu Start Guide i have to search it in rosetta or he is somewhere else? === Burgwork [n=corey@d66-183-174-128.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:20] hmm, this lulu thing is getting bigger than I expected [01:21] avoine: it will be uploaded to rosetta shortly [01:21] avoine: the docs haven't been uploaded yet [01:21] ok [01:30] robotgeek: it's taking time but I'm progressing. when do you need it for? [01:30] frank_: jjesse http://www.robotgeek.org/kubuntu/ch05.html [01:31] frank_: official deadline is half an hour away, maybe by tommorow? [01:31] robotgeek: oh. I'll finish now. but not in half an hour ;) [01:32] frank_: how is the reorg, look betteR? [01:32] frank__: don't worry i' should have a bunch comming in tomorrow when i get to work and have a high speed connection [01:33] robotgeek: it looks better yeah === jd_ [n=jd@APuteaux-151-1-77-35.w83-204.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:38] robotgeek`did you update the desktopgudie for add/remove programs? [01:38] jjesse: yes [01:39] do you like it? i perfer adept and apt or it [01:40] i just use apt, it does look easy to use [01:41] i struggle with it, i can't find all packages for some reason [01:41] jjesse: http://doc.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/desktopguide/C/ch03s02.html [01:42] jjesse: we can mention it, and mornfall can fix bugs across time :) [01:42] robotgeek: but i'm struggeling describing it for my chapter:( [01:44] jjesse: i wrote something in about 15 minutes, copied over some stuff from UDG too :) === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt_ [n=mpt@219-89-132-217.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:04] is there a shockwave plugin for konqueror? I don't think so [02:06] frank_: doesn't flashplayer isntall that? [02:07] robotgeek: there is a flash player. but some shockwave things are impossible to play in linux I think. [02:07] frank_: hmm, okay. [02:08] frank_: if you make the change in the patch, i'll commit tommorow? [02:09] robotgeek: ok. [02:09] frank_: great, i gotta run now. cook food :) [02:10] robotgeek: ok ;) === crimsun [i=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #ubuntu-doc === theCore [n=alex@toronto-HSE-ppp4205896.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jd_ [n=jd@APuteaux-151-1-77-35.w83-204.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg@210.4.38.43] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lakin [n=lakin@S01060013101832ce.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:55] WINE is not an emulator, but what is it exactly? in 2 words [02:58] winows emulator [02:59] no: Wine Is Not an Emulator [03:00] reverse_engineered_windows_subsystem [03:00] hah 1 word [03:00] jsgotangco: lol. yeah [03:01] but yeah its not a windows emulator per se [03:10] it's a win32 api implementation for unix [03:11] it's an emulator by the dictionary definition of the word, but not the traditional IT definition, in that it doesn't emulate hardware === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:14] trappist, that's 7 words [03:14] heh [03:20] trappist: ping? [03:20] pong [03:21] trappist: did you just fix grammar/spelling on the packaging guide? [03:21] not all of it, but yeah [03:21] why? [03:21] I'm on bugs.xml now [03:22] I'm just trying to get a run down of what you are doing [03:22] how do you mean? [03:22] why did you change the appendix to a chapter? [03:23] doh, need to read the next commit ;-) [03:23] I changed that back - it didn't validate, but then I learned to validate the parent instead, so I changed it b... yeah :) [03:24] did you have problems with indentation? [03:24] here and there, maybe. I wasn't aiming to mess with it, since afaik we have no standards for it, but I tried to keep it sorta consistent. [03:25] well, I've had a hard time with consistency so any help is apprecitated. I'm still trying to learn how to use vim :-) [03:26] and I copy-n-paste from other people sometimes [03:26] it makes it a little easier if you have set ai, set ts=4 and set sw=4 in your .vimrc [03:26] for copy and paste: [03:26] put set pastetoggle= in your .vimrc, and hit F12 in insert mode, and vim will stop messing with your indentation until you hit F12 again [03:27] do you use tabs or spaces, generally? [03:28] tabs [03:29] hmm, it seems like lots of problems with commas [03:29] yeah :) [03:30] I haven't had to remember so much grammar since grade school :-) === mpt__ [n=mpt@219-89-156-88.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:30] when I build the desktop guide, can I make something other than html? like a pdf? [03:32] frank_: pdf's are a bit harder because you need some non-free stuff [03:32] LaserJock: really? I thought pdf was an open format [03:33] well postscript then [03:33] it is, but the app that is used to create them isn't exactly [03:34] fop is what you need [03:35] what is the app that makes pdfs? just curious [03:36] http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/fop/ [03:37] if you look at ubuntu/Makefile there is a rule to make pdfs [03:37] but you need fop.sh I think [03:38] LaserJock: ok [03:40] LaserJock: so this uses fop to make pdfs but ghostscript can make them completely freely, right? just not in this case === mdke_ [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:41] frank_: it is more involved than just "making a pdf" [03:41] LaserJock: ok I admit my ignorance ;) [03:42] frank_: I think the only reason we don't have fop is because it is java-based which is a problem for Ubuntu since Sun's Java can't be included in the repos [03:42] LaserJock: well once gij get better, maybe it will be [03:42] frank_: lol, I don't know much about it myself [03:42] I think it's because it's part of the ant project, which has an iffy license [03:42] oh, well that could be too [03:43] anyway, I think you can download if from http://www.wmwweb.com/apache/xmlgraphics/fop/ [03:43] and then you can just run "make pdf" [03:44] I'm trying it myself right now [03:45] did my patch [patch] proofread common-tasks.xml for kubuntu desktop guide make it to the list this time? [03:45] my new yahoo mail account doesn't seem to be sending anything [03:48] frank_, there's no patch sent to the list yet [03:49] gah... [04:08] trappist: thanks :-) [04:08] trappist: have you gone through the whole thing? [04:08] on the last file now [04:08] ubuntu.xml [04:08] great [04:08] now I hope I don't mess up what you have done [04:25] heh [04:27] frank_: yeah! I see an email ;-) [04:27] there! gmail can actually send emails. My new yahoo.ca account couldn't :( [04:28] can we see preliminary versions of the Official Ubuntu Book? [04:29] All Members should get a free copy :P [04:29] then how would they make money? [04:30] :) [04:30] How many members are there compared to users? :P [04:30] jjesse: I was just going to say that ;-) [04:31] Meh :P [04:32] heh [04:32] It was an idea lol [04:33] if canonical can send a million cds to anyone, it won't go down the drain sending 100+ copies of the book to the 100+ members listed in LP lol [04:33] don't forget prentince hall needs some money [04:33] yup yup [04:34] jjesse, im sure you're very much aware that the book publisher sends a good number of books to the author for free [04:35] jsgotangco: yeah i know [04:35] its up to the author to give them away or sell them at a lower price [04:35] even recording artists have the same scheme [04:35] btw you guys might be intested at this [04:35] http://oss.mri.co.jp/i2oss/ [04:36] most of whats included in the docs were results from the experiment last year [04:47] LaserJock: got a sec? [04:47] sure do [04:47] need to know what you're meaning to say here, re: merging with debian... [04:47] The merging process involves looking at the changes to both the Debian and Ubuntu source packages and determining. [04:47] determining what? [04:48] what has changed [04:48] great! thanks [04:48] what stuff is specific to Ubuntu [04:49] so when we go to sync from Debian and there is an existing Ubuntu version of the package there are two options [04:49] right. I follow you now. [04:49] 1) Debian has made all the changes we did and we can use there packages directly. We call that a sync [04:50] 2) We need to carry our changes to the new packages. That is a merge [04:50] right. got that from the previous section. [04:50] s/section/paragraph/ [04:50] k === mdke [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:53] what's the address for reporting bugs again? launchpad.net/malone correct? [04:53] yeah === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:56] it kinda depends [04:57] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs ? [04:57] LaserJock: did you happen to check with barry defreese whether he's ok with having his email addy in these docs (as an example)? [04:57] do you think I should change it to something made up? [04:57] make it billg@microsoft.com :) [04:57] that works :) [04:58] trappist: umm, well that doesn't work so well === frank23 [n=frank@modemcable135.248-130-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:58] why's that? [04:58] I used the actual diffs [04:58] right, but is that necessary, do you think? [04:59] maybe not, but his email is all over the package anyway. I can ask him I suppose [04:59] even if you're hoping for the user to follow along and get more or less the same results as in the doc, I don't think anyone will get lost if something like that is altered. [04:59] I hadn't really thought about it [04:59] I've just been using verbatim what you get [04:59] I'd html-entity-ize it to keep it from the spam spiders, but I'm pretty sure the html conversion will undo that [05:00] frank23: same as frank_ ? [05:00] trappist: well, it can't be any worse than it already is but we can certainly change it, to be safe [05:00] LaserJock: I'll leave it alone for now. I figure he won't mind - his email address gets plenty of exposure as it is. [05:01] but it'd probably be nice to check with him [05:01] it really doesn't hurt to change it, I was just using the diff's verbatim [05:01] aight [05:02] trappist: who, billy G? [05:02] heh [05:02] i'd prefer not him [05:02] he might claim the packaging guide in a few years ;-) [05:02] it would be funny! [05:03] LaserJock: I was going with that for the humor angle, but since it's your doc I'm going to leave it as-is so you can put what you like there [05:03] if 6 months from now bill gates is regarded as kindly as hitler, I don't want it to be my fault that he's in our docs :) === robotgeek bows to klippers awesomeness [05:04] cptn@killklippy.com [05:05] robotgeek: http://linuxkungfu.org/images/shots/?image=39 [05:06] trappist: http://vigor.sourceforge.net/ [05:07] ok, I'm locking myself in the computer room. I have to finish this tonight :/ [05:07] robotgeek: that's awesome. [05:08] LaserJock: yeah I just had to tell my baby sister to "kick rocks, I got a string freeze" === LaserJock gets out his vim cheat sheet [05:10] hmm, how do you get folding to work? [05:10] LaserJock: zM [05:10] depends on how you want it to work. I say set foldmethod=marker and use {{{ and }}} foldmarkers [05:11] robotgeek: i looked through the add/remove programs section of desktop guide and it lokos great [05:11] robotgeek: yeah [05:11] jjesse: cool, thanks [05:11] frank23: heh, confusing! [05:12] also updated release notes to match the new author guidelines and also about kubuntu guide... will commit tomorrow at work [05:12] also about ubuntu had references to bugzilla which i changed and will comitt tomorrow at work [05:12] jjesse: good work! [05:13] also finished kubuntu chapter for the book... hopefully not too much will change [05:13] jjesse: always worried! [05:14] robotgeek: things look great good job [05:14] I'm done with the packaging guide. any votes on what should be proofread next, or should I just keep going in pseudorandom order? [05:14] jjesse: ty [05:15] (I'm gonna be a linux guru by the time I'm done proofreading all this) [05:16] trappist: did you get an overall feel for the difficulty level? [05:17] robotgeek: I can do more proofreading tomorrow for kdg if it's not too late [05:18] frank23: that would be great [05:18] frank23: since i am guessing that most of the changes will be minor, i don't think there will be an issue [05:18] robotgeek: ok. Yeah I won't add any sections or anything [05:19] robotgeek: what does your .vim/xmlfold.vim file look like? [05:20] frank23: thanks! i am too sapped right now to think [05:20] LaserJock: i think its a plugin i got from vim.sf.net [05:20] k [05:20] LaserJock: http://robotgeek.org/dotfiles/vim [05:21] oh, nice. thanks [05:22] LaserJock: yeah, and a great overview of the process. I think I'm right smack in the middle of your target audience. Great doc! [05:23] robotgeek: tomorrow's not too late to get some proofreading in? I don't have to stay up all night? [05:23] trappist: it flowed ok? It has been pretty patchwork for me so far trying to get it put together [05:23] trappist: well, most of my major changes are already in. minor changes are ok, as long as they don't change structure maybe (not affect translators) [05:23] LaserJock: yeah I think it's well laid out and has a good narrative flow for a tech doc [05:24] ok, great. thanks for checking it over. I'm just starting in this whole doc writing thing. [05:24] robotgeek: right, that's what I was wondering - string freeze doesn't necessarily affect proofreading changes then? [05:24] LaserJock: the language is a little less formal in some places than in some of the rest of the docs, but I think that's a good thing. [05:25] trappist: I think those are usually ones that I got from somebody else. I tried to go over them to keep a consistent voice [05:26] yeah I think you pulled that off nicely [05:27] LaserJock: if i manage to package stuff nicely, it will be thanks to you :) [05:30] well, then you can thank the MOTU community. I have really learned a lot through this process [05:30] wow my brain is fried, have a good night i'm off to bed :) [05:30] cya jjesse [05:31] robotgeek: 60 % Nerd, 30% Geek, 26% Dork hehe [05:31] frank23: heh [05:33] frank23: lots of blog there :) [05:59] hrrmmmm [05:59] hey jsgotangco [06:00] that comment on bluefish is wrong [06:00] bluefish can do docbook [06:00] it has docbook tags built in and has tag completion [06:01] jsgotangco: wiki :) === jsgotangco lazy [06:03] that's why it helps to be a vim "enthusiast" [06:12] I like bluefish for a gui xml editor [06:12] well, I guess that is second to gvim ;-) [06:13] :) [06:13] its fast if it only validated :/ [06:17] hmm, that would be a nice key mapping to add to the .vimrc [06:18] LaserJock: :) [06:18] a key to run ~/ubuntu-doc/validate.sh [06:18] and svn commit [06:18] and ... === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-156-88.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan__ [n=bhuvan@vpn3.maa.collab.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dsas [n=dean@host86-129-22-127.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan__ is now known as bhuvan === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-156-88.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-156-88.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:56] arrghh, how do I put in a ; ? [07:59] you press : without pressing shift :) [07:59] ( lame joke ^^^^^ ) === LaserJock whaps highvoltage over the head with the Docbook Definitive Guide [08:01] ouch! how many trees did you kill to print that!? [08:01] lol [08:01] you would think they would have a list of those somewhere [08:02] list of trees that were killed? [08:02] lol, no [08:03] usually they tell you how to get the characters that have special meaning === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:07] crap, I can find how to do < and & but not ; === Madpilot [n=brian@S0106000d88b9f3db.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:13] hi all [08:14] doh, it wasn't complaining *about* the ; , but about the *lack of* ; :( [08:16] trappist: my new name and email addy are : Captain Packager [08:28] btw, hi Madpilot === manicka [n=manicka@ubuntu/member/manicka] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:31] morning [08:32] afternoon :) [08:33] :) [08:34] how's it going in doc-land? [08:34] hello [08:34] I see trappist has proof read the entire svn repository :) [08:34] very nice! [08:35] how are we looking on the old freeze? [08:35] couple of tweaks still needed on the desktop guide, I think [08:36] my poor inbox has been flooded with commit reports :P [08:36] mdke, any more thoughts on publishing the desktop guide? [08:37] rob, I'll mail about it. [08:38] ok [08:38] bottom line is that I'm sorry if Corey is embarassed by the guide, but i think he will be equally embarassed by publishing the guide online and in the distro [08:38] it generally will only be available online unless someone comes up with the fee to get an ISBN number [08:39] I certainly don't think it would be a good idea to do that [08:39] Madpilot, :) I'm gonna have a last look at the DG and try and sort out 3d graphics, and dvd. Anything else needs looking at? [08:39] not that I can think of - not that we can get done before the freeze, anyway... ;) [08:40] mdke, I think his feelings are somewhat irrelivent due to the obvious conflict of intrest he has here [08:40] btw, the ATI 3d stuff should work, it's identical to the Breezy info and it doesn't look like the packages have changed much/at all [08:40] rob, I don't think so. [08:40] s/irrelivent/irrelevant [08:40] rob: there is conflict on interest [08:40] mdke: so when is the official doc freeze? [08:40] rob: is no, I should say [08:40] rob: I am not getting royalties from the book, so it does not matter how many copies sell [08:41] LaserJock, about 8 hours ago. But we're quite flexible. I'll certainly check if there is anything each author wants to do still on each guide before making translations available [08:41] Burgundavia, but you are being paid for writing it.. === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:41] rob: as are a whole bunch of other people in the doc team [08:41] hence, conflict of interest [08:41] if I was getting royalties, maybe [08:42] mdke: how long do you think we could realistically push the packaging guide and how much can we change after we give it to the translation teams? [08:42] from what I've seen, the only people vocal about it who are being paid in any way is yourself Burgundavia [08:42] rob: that I am working on the ubuntu book is completely not relevant to why I am objecting to the Lulu thing [08:43] rob, I don't think it's useful to accuse Corey of being biased, we need to try and answer his complaints. Don't forget the code of conduct tells us to avoid discussions which are personal [08:43] LaserJock, I don't know. what's the status? [08:43] I can see both sides, I personally don't think the problem is as big as Corey thinks but I think it is a concern to think about [08:43] s/is/isn't/ [08:44] if we were gonna sell the book, like on Amazon or something, I would agree with Corey that there is a conflict issue with the official book [08:44] but I don't think we should, this is simply something someone reading the book can do to get a hard copy without printing it themselves [08:44] how is lulu different from amazon? [08:44] Burgundavia, people go to amazon to buy books [08:45] they don't browse lulu looking for books [08:45] mdke: well, my main concern is getting some review from the dev community. I think I can finish tomorrow but I'd like to at least make sure I don't have any major policy violoations ;-) [08:45] they go there if they've read the book, and read in it that they can get a printed copy there [08:45] sorry, I'm getting pulled away to deal with a bot net, I'm be back in a sec [08:45] ok [08:46] they why don't we trial with the packaging guide? [08:46] LaserJock, ok, in that case I would say, we'll upload the translation tomorrow when its done, and you can change things if necessary at a later time. But try and get that done ASAP [08:46] Burgundavia, I think we should trial with all the guides [08:46] including (complete) translations [08:46] ahh [08:46] mdke: yeah, I'm really sorry. My boss has really been cracking the whip :( [08:46] LaserJock, np [08:47] Burgundavia, to be honest, even if the only people to buy a copy are the occasional one of us, I won't be concerned at all [08:47] mdke: and to be honest, I expected more help :( [08:47] yeah [08:47] LaserJock, you've done an incredible job dude [08:47] we've been lucky to have you [08:48] well, this is my first doc project and I somewhat underestimated (suprise) how long it would take [08:48] incredible how these translators work, I've got 3 translations for the ff start page already [08:48] LaserJock: I have certainly learned that with the book [08:49] Burgundavia: really? cool [08:49] I had some interest today for a printed packaging guide [08:49] good docs take a long time to do [08:49] I think if I continue working on it (with the community) maybe by Dapper+1 it would be publishable on lulu [08:50] LaserJock: something unique like the packaging guide, it would be nice to get it done earlier on lulu [08:51] Burgundavia: I agree, but I'd probably want to make sure it is good ;-) [08:51] Burgundavia: and I have to play a little catch up [08:51] LaserJock, I don't understand why people feel that to make these hard copies available, the documents have to be a better quality than they do when published online or in the distro [08:51] its not like this book will be marketed, as I said [08:52] it will simply be people who read the book, like it, and are prepared to pay the costs of production. [08:52] hmm, yes I suppose [08:52] well, then I have at least 3 people that wanted print copies of the packaging guide today ;-) [08:52] if the Desktop guide was as bad as Burgundavia thinks, he should be embarassed that its in the distro, and on the website [08:52] right corey? [08:53] mdke: to a certain extent, but people don't usually compare on screen docs to books [08:54] Did anyone apply Andreas Lloyd's UDG patch? [08:54] Burgundavia: I agree, but in this case I think we have a pretty good set of docs. And if we market it as a "printed copy of the shipped doc" then it makes sense [08:55] hmm [08:55] I can see if we were charging $40USD for it or something [08:55] Madpilot, no, I'll definitely have a look at it later on [08:55] hmm [08:55] LaserJock: I want us to make a big splash of having a book, draw attention to ourselves [08:56] what does that make us of mgalvin and jeffsch writing a book for manning? [08:56] mdke, I'll have a look at it now if it's unapplied - just lost track in the great flood of commit emails :P [08:56] in order to do that well, we need a good product to back it iup [08:56] Burgundavia, if that happens then it will be a wholly different thing. marketing, selling the book in stores, etc [08:56] this is simply, "wanna copy but can't print? you can pay the costs of production" [08:56] jsgotangco, is that project still going? [08:57] Madpilot, okay! [08:57] mdke, of course [08:57] blimey, it's been a while [08:57] mdke, we're focused on ubuntu server though [08:57] are you still involved? [08:57] ok, as long as we are not trumpeting all over the place [08:57] mdke, we're not really vocal about it though [08:57] but we already have a good manuscript going [08:57] cool [08:57] and already on 1st review [08:58] but once we started the lulu thing then maybe it would tend to go more towards the doc team publishing the *big* book [08:58] we're not really on a mad rush to get it published in time of june but it would be nice [08:58] if we could show the lulu books to a publisher for instance, I would think that would go a long ways [08:59] i dont really mind having lulu on board to those docs [08:59]