[12:28] <LaserJock> Red_Herring: a .deb really doesn't help
[12:28] <LaserJock> Red_Herring: we need a source package
[12:28] <Red_Herring> ugh, so i need to package it myself?
[12:28] <LaserJock> Red_Herring: or wait for somebody to do it
[12:29] <Red_Herring> cuz currently im running DSL on a laptop with a dead hard drive w/ no other computer around
[12:29] <Red_Herring> so my development opportunities are "limited"
[12:29] <LaserJock> Red_Herring: you can add it to the list of packages wanted at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Candidates
[12:30] <LaserJock> but believe me, this is a very known problem, but it is quite late in the Dapper development cycle
[12:31] <Red_Herring> ugh, i guess, but its a shame...
[12:31] <LaserJock> yes it is
[12:31] <Red_Herring> im willing to help, but if you dont htink its worth it, w/e
[12:31] <LaserJock> well, you can start know and if it gets in for  Dapper fine, if not it could go in Dapper+1
[12:32] <Red_Herring> i cant start now, i lack the resources
[12:34] <dolson> argh. why do we have mismatched PIDA and Gazpatcho in Dapper... :(
[12:36] <dolson> I haven't been paying full attention lately... are we still opening UVF exception requests to upgrade the old unstable crap in Dapper Universe?
[12:39] <LaserJock> Red_Herring: well, when you have a chance you can work on it, but I would think that somebody would package it for Dapper+1
[12:39] <Red_Herring> ugh, whats it gonna be called?
[12:39] <Red_Herring> any name yet?
[12:40] <LaserJock> Red_Herring: but getting it on the install cd is quite a bit more difficult
[12:40] <LaserJock> Red_Herring: not that I know of
[12:40] <Red_Herring> true true true
[12:40] <Red_Herring> can it still be added to the universe?
[12:40] <LaserJock> yes
[12:40] <Red_Herring> later
[12:40] <Red_Herring> sweet
[12:40] <LaserJock> if it has a good license (it is GPL, right?)
[12:41] <LaserJock> and it gets packaged (a real source package)
[12:41] <LaserJock> then it can be reviewed for inclusion in Universe
[12:41] <Red_Herring> ok
[12:42] <Red_Herring> ill get right on it... can i do this from a livecd of kubuntu flight 6?
[12:42] <LaserJock> there isn't  an inherent reason for it to not be included, it just takes somebody to take the time to do it
[12:42] <ajmitch> hi
[12:42] <LaserJock> hmm, I wouldn't recommend using a livcd for development work
[12:43] <Red_Herring> LaserJock: then do you have a spare laptop hard drive? :-P
[12:43] <LaserJock> Red_Herring: unfortunately not
[12:43] <Red_Herring> damn
[12:43] <Red_Herring> anyone?
[12:43] <Red_Herring> also, once i package it, do i hafta maintain it?
[12:44] <LaserJock> no
[12:44] <Red_Herring> phew!
[12:44] <LaserJock> Universe is team maintained
[12:44] <Red_Herring> ok
[12:44] <LaserJock> i.e., community members (the MOTU) with upload rights take care of Universe
[12:45] <Red_Herring> ah, thats good
[12:47] <LaserJock> the problem is there are only ~ 30 MOTUs for ~15000 packages
[12:48] <ajmitch> which means we prefer that people don't just dump packages in & run :)
[12:49] <Red_Herring> ... fine
[12:50] <LaserJock> Red_Herring: if you want some reading on packaging, I would suggest http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ and http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html
[12:51] <Red_Herring> i dont want any howtos or suggestions about packaging until i get an actual install of dapper to work with!
[12:52] <Red_Herring> grr, sorry, my computer has been broken for a while now
[12:52] <LaserJock> Red_Herring: well, good luck with that. I can't help you there.
[12:53] <Red_Herring> ok, thanks anyway
[12:54] <LaserJock> Red_Herring: you might be better off enlisting somebody else who might be interested in packaging it.
[12:54] <Red_Herring> im trying that now in #easyubuntu
[01:22] <chillywilly> hi
[01:22] <chillywilly> can someone point me to that wireless compat wiki page?
[01:24] <chillywilly> bah
[01:24] <chillywilly> nevermind
[01:26] <chillywilly> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WirelessChipsets
[01:26] <chillywilly> the Atheros Super G does not support WPA according to this page, right?
[01:27] <chillywilly> might as well use WEP w/ MAC filtering
[01:27] <chillywilly> :-/
[01:27] <chillywilly> although it's pretty useless
[01:28] <crimsun_> still marginally better than none at all
[01:50] <kbrooks> I'm willing to sponsor a upload of the frostwire package available at http://www.frostwire.com/static/downloads.html to universe
[01:51] <kbrooks> for dapper+1
[01:51] <crimsun_> huh?
[01:51] <crimsun_> how would you sponsor said upload?
[01:51] <kbrooks> crimsun_:  i dont know how. what are the available methods?
[01:52] <crimsun_> you can't "sponsor" unless you have upload privileges.
[01:53] <crimsun_> does frostwire build and run correctly with gcj?
[01:53] <kbrooks> crimsun_: ?
[01:53] <kbrooks> crimsun_: im on breezy
[01:53] <crimsun_> kbrooks: where are you confused?
[01:54] <kbrooks> crimsun_: well
[01:54] <kbrooks> crimsun_: i havent checked. ill install the package
[02:53] <sladen> chillywilly: best thing to do is not use either WEP or MAC locking and then use real-encryption (SSH, VPN)
[03:14] <LaserJock> hi tritium
[03:14] <tritium> hi LaserJock
[03:34] <chillywilly> sladen: yea I could do that I suppose
[03:35] <chillywilly> sladen: I have openwrt on the AP/router so I can do all kinds of nifty things
[03:40] <robertj> hey all, can anyone try to find out what happened to quake3 and why it never got out of revu even though the last action taken (Jan) was looking very good?
[03:43] <LaserJock> robertj: it isn't in Dapper?
[03:44] <robertj> not according to http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=quake3&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all
[03:46] <zakame> hi motus
[03:46] <ajmitch> hi
[03:48] <Kyral> meh where is bddebian when I need him?
[03:50] <LaserJock> robertj: hmm, odd. It looks like it was supposed to be uploaded
[03:56] <robertj> LaserJock: is there a next step?
[03:56] <robertj> profit?
[03:58] <LaserJock> robertj: sistpoty said he was going to upload it
[03:59] <LaserJock> so maybe some poking is in order ;-)
[04:01] <robertj> LaserJock: according to revu it looks like daemon@poleboy dot de was the person who was going to upload
[04:02] <LaserJock> yeah, that is sistpoty, why don't you just email him and politely ask him if he has done it ;-)
[04:26] <robertj> polite email sent
[04:26] <LaserJock> great
[04:28] <Kyral> Meh I wanna ask bddebian about the status of DHCP in HURD
[04:31] <ajmitch> heh
[04:33] <Lathiat> dhcp is for wimps
[04:33] <Kyral> or for people whose campus only uses DHCP
[04:33] <Lathiat> and for wimps
[04:33] <Lathiat> :)
[04:33] <Lathiat> last time i tried hurd
[04:33] <Lathiat> if you hit the keyboard while it was booting
[04:33] <Lathiat> it'd kernel panic
[04:33] <Lathiat> did they fix that yet? :)
[04:34] <Kyral> dunno
[04:34] <ajmitch> probably not
[04:34] <ajmitch> Kyral: last time I used the hurd dhcp was working well enough for me
[04:34] <Kyral> ajmitch: ty :D
[04:35] <Kyral> I'm just installing it in Qemu anyway
[04:35] <ajmitch> so why ask, if you would have found out in a few minutes?
[04:35] <ajmitch> afaik only bddebian & myself have been crazy enough round here to do anything with the hurd
[04:39] <Kyral> ajmitch: more like a couple hours...
[04:40] <Kyral> the debian ISO is downloading and my school has a bandwidth cap of 78 Kb/S
[04:53] <Kyral> This should be interesting...installing Gentoo in a Qemu image
[04:53] <TheMuso> eek
[04:53] <TheMuso> Kyral: Hope you are running the acceleration kernel module or whatever it is. :)
[04:53] <Kyral> hehe
[04:54] <Kyral> I'll just nice it down to 19 :D
[04:54] <Kyral> TheMuso: nope....
[04:57] <LaserJock> Kyral: I ran the Gentoo livecd installer in a qemu on my iMac. Seemed pretty nice for a graphical installer
[04:59] <Kyral> uhh
[04:59] <Kyral> how do I setup the bridge to Eth0?
[05:15] <truz24> who decides which kernel to put on the repositories?  I notice i'm running 2.6.15-20, but on kernel.org they are up to 2.6.16
[05:15] <Kyral> I heard 2.6.16 breaks stuff
[05:19] <Kyral> hehe, I reniced Qemu to 19
[05:21] <Kyral> HOBBSEE!!
[05:21] <Hobbsee> hey Kyral!
[05:21] <Kyral> sup?
[05:22] <Hobbsee> just done an assignment, stuff for the chem prac in 40 mins...
[05:22] <Hobbsee> not a lot :)
[05:22] <Kyral> heh
[05:22] <Hobbsee> looking vaguely at my comp assignment, and screaming loudly
[05:22] <Kyral> I'm playing around with KQemu
[05:22] <Kyral> Reniced Qemu down to 19 :P
[05:22] <Hobbsee> ooh nice!
[05:23] <Hobbsee> which OS with it?
[05:23] <Kyral> Right now FC5
[05:23] <Kyral> I was gonna do Gentoo
[05:23] <Kyral> but I dunno how to get the Bridging working
[05:23] <Kyral> eventually I'll do HURD
[05:26] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[05:26] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:30] <Kyral> meh I hate the FC installer
[05:30] <Kyral> forget it
[05:32] <Kyral> you should try Arch
[05:34] <Hobbsee> could do
[05:38] <ajmitch> hello Hobbsee
[05:39] <Hobbsee> hey ajmitch :)
[05:39] <LaserJock> hi Hobbsee and ajmitch
[05:39] <Hobbsee> hey LaserJock
[05:39] <ajmitch> hello again LaserJock
[05:40] <LaserJock> ajmitch: I already said hi?
[05:40] <LaserJock> my memory must be slipping
[05:40] <ajmitch> well I was was around a couple of hours ago :)
[05:40] <Kyral> Holy Netsplit batman
[05:41] <LaserJock> ajmitch: ah, so it wasn't that bad
[05:41] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:41] <Hobbsee> StevenK: ping?
[05:41] <Kyral> Man I really need to get a Dapper Qemu image up
[05:43] <ajmitch> why?
[05:43] <ajmitch> unless you have a really fast machine, you'd probably be very disappointed
[06:09] <Kyral> ajmitch:  I need a development enviroment on ArchLinux
[06:10] <Kyral> and with the KQemu module...it speeds up
[06:54] <LaserJock> hmm, funny. my rhythmbox volume slider is still upside down. do other people have that?
[06:58] <Kyral> I do in Amarok
[06:58] <Kyral> even in ArchLinux :P
[06:59] <Kyral> but I have to hit the sack
[06:59] <Kyral> night kiddos :P
[07:15] <crimsun> LaserJock: is only rb affected?
[07:16] <LaserJock> I think so
[07:16] <LaserJock> it has been that way for a while but I haven't used rb for a while
[09:16] <Hobbsee> hi again everyone!
[09:16] <LaserJock> hi Hobbsee
[09:18] <LaserJock> yeah for chem!
[09:22] <Hobbsee> didnt manage to poison anyone either, or get yelled at
[09:22] <Hobbsee> i suspect the tutor for the prac was trying to set me up with the guy that i was working with though...
[09:22] <LaserJock> lol
[09:22] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:23] <LaserJock> you've got to watch out for those chemists
[09:23] <LaserJock> well, as long as you didn't hurt yourself I'd say you did OK. I hate it when students cut themselves on glassware or something
[09:25] <Hobbsee> haha yeah, that's true
[09:34] <Pupeno> Hello.
[09:34] <Pupeno> Where is that page with information about uploading upgraded packages (for the next Ubuntu) ?
[09:37] <LaserJock> Pupeno: perhaps wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU ?
[09:37] <Pupeno> LaserJock: maybe.
[09:37] <LaserJock> do you want how to upgrade the package or where to put it?
[09:38] <Pupeno> it is an upgrade, yes.
[09:59] <LaserJock> hi dholbach
[09:59] <dholbach> hey LaserJock
[10:00] <LaserJock> are you going to be super busy in the next day or two?
[10:00] <dholbach> why you ask? :)
[10:00] <LaserJock> the doc string freeze is tomorrow (probably today for you) and I almost have the Packaging Guide done
[10:01] <LaserJock> but I would like somebody like you to look it over for policy violations, etc ;-)
[10:01] <dholbach> write to ubuntu-devel@ that you need reviews
[10:01] <LaserJock> I'll send and email asking for review to -motu and -devel but in the past I haven't gotten much response
[10:02] <LaserJock> maybe -devel will be better, people seem to complain easily enough when they don't have to fix ;-)
[10:29] <kelmo_lap> hi
[10:57] <Toadstool> hi here
[12:47] <kelmo> hi siretart
[12:53] <siretart> hey kelmo
[12:56] <kelmo> siretart: i have proposed a compromise for our recent discussion
[12:59] <kelmo> siretart: http://rafb.net/paste/results/fwmNBF31.html
[01:19] <siretart> kelmo: interesting. but, wouldn't it be more easy to rely on /sys? isn't this what sysfs is for?
[01:20] <kelmo> siretart: well, i still use linux 2.4 as well
[01:24] <siretart> kelmo: oh. now I begin to understand why you objected to my proposal. TBH, I expect etch to not support linux 2.4 anymore
[01:25] <kelmo> siretart: proc is equally as useful, imho, in this case
[01:25] <siretart> kelmo: if your detection works on 2.6 as well, I'd say lets include it in our next upload (I think the 0.4.9 release could come soon[tm] ), and close the detection bug
[01:26] <kelmo> siretart: 2.4 on one machine, and that is no choice of mine really ; )
[01:34] <kelmo> siretart: but as you know, i am opposed to any sort of driver "guessing", this is about the only really robust way i could think of, and quite simple too
[01:53] <siretart> kelmo: I think the bug submitter would be happy with this, given that he cares at all anymore
[01:55] <zakame> hi al
[01:55] <Gloubiboulga> hi zakame
[01:56] <kelmo> siretart: ok, i'll commit and maintain that for as long as it is useful
[01:56] <zakame> hello Gloubiboulga
[01:56] <siretart> kelmo: thanks.
[01:57] <zakame> huhu kelmo siretart
[01:58] <kelmo> hey zakame
[02:01] <siretart> hi zakame
[02:02] <zakame> how do I help with DhIconCacheChanges? Do I just add dh_iconcache to debian/rules then rebuild and upload?
[02:06] <dholbach> zakame: yes
[02:06] <zakame> ok then
[02:06] <dholbach> zakame: if you want to make 100% sure that it worked, check that it really gets called in the buildlog or check for the postinst :)
[02:06] <dholbach> but that should be about it
[02:07] <Hobbsee> Seveas: ping
[02:07] <Seveas> Hobbsee, ?
[02:07] <zakame> dholbach: yes, I'd like to be 100% + 1 sure :)
[02:07] <dholbach> ROCK! ON! :)
[02:07] <phanatic> hi people
[02:07] <Hobbsee> Seveas: any chance we can get ubugtu in #kubuntu permanently?
[02:08] <zakame> :)
[02:08] <zakame> heya phanatic
[02:08] <Seveas> #kubuntu-devel you mean?
[02:08] <Seveas> or #kubuntu too?
[02:08] <phanatic> hi zakame
[02:08] <Hobbsee> kubuntu as well
[02:08] <Hobbsee> already in kubuntu devel
[02:10] <dholbach> thanks zakame!
[02:11] <zakame> dholbach: my pleasure :)
[02:25] <Gloubiboulga> zakame, could you upload libtranslate between 2 dh_iconcache uploads? :)
[02:25] <zakame> Gloubiboulga: oi! almost forgot that! :)
[02:25] <Gloubiboulga> :)
[02:25] <Gloubiboulga> with this lib fixed gnome-translate could be available for dapper
[02:29] <phanatic> hey Gloubiboulga :)
[02:29] <Gloubiboulga> hi phanatic, how are you?
[02:30] <phanatic> oh fine, thanks. i'm having a look at the hungarian translation of debian-installer. quite messy :/
[02:30] <Gloubiboulga> hehe
[02:31] <phanatic> Gloubiboulga: and what about you? :)
[02:33] <Gloubiboulga> well I'm fine too :)
[02:33] <Gloubiboulga> I try to help Xubuntu as much as I can since a few weeks
[02:35] <phanatic> are there more people, or still just a few?
[02:35] <Gloubiboulga> more users, but still a few devs...
[02:36] <Gloubiboulga> I hope it'll change with the rocking iso images ;)
[02:36] <phanatic> i'm sure it will ;)
[02:43] <zakame> Gloubiboulga: just uploaded :)
[02:44] <Gloubiboulga> thanks zakame :)
[02:44] <zakame> Gloubiboulga: no prob :)
[03:20] <bddebian> Howdy folks
[03:23] <zakame> heya bddebian!
[03:23] <zakame> bddebian: I notice some of your uploads haven't hit the archive yet :/
[03:23] <bddebian> zakame: Hi.  Which ones?
[03:24] <zakame> hmm I remember maelstrom for one
[03:25] <bddebian> I was just looking at that on the buglist :-)
[03:27] <zakame> cool
[03:29] <bddebian> Gah, which i810 driver bug was that person looking at yesterday? Hmm
[03:31] <bddebian> Hmm, wtf
[03:34] <bddebian> I don't even see my maelstrom now..
[03:43] <Gloubiboulga> a .desktop bug bddebian ?
[03:45] <zakame> hmmm, could it be because of distribution-not-dapper ?
[03:46] <zakame> (just hit that snag myself today, with preload)
[03:49] <bddebian> Gloubiboulga: Aye
[03:49] <Gloubiboulga> bug 31118 maybe
[03:49] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 31118 in maelstrom "Maelstrom is missing a .desktop file" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/31118
[03:49] <bddebian> zakame: Aye, I did that on a couple but I swore that one got accepted but I can find the e-mail
[03:49] <bddebian> Gloubiboulga: Yes
[03:50] <zakame> bddebian: iirc there are no individual accepted/rejected files, only those on dapper-changes
[03:56] <zakame> hmm is packages.u.c down?
[04:03] <cbx33> afternoon all
[04:03] <bddebian> Hello cbx33
[04:03] <cbx33> bddebian, histarted looking at the packaging docs today
[04:04] <bddebian> Great
[04:04] <cbx33> but afraid I got stuck
[04:04] <cbx33> :p
[04:04] <cbx33> it all looks ok, but i ran into problems with pbuilder
[04:04] <zakame> hi cbx33
[04:04] <cbx33> hi zakame
[04:04] <cbx33> it was creating the debootstrap that failed
[04:04] <cbx33> with vi-runtime package dependency
[04:05] <cbx33> this is what I did....you guys can tell me if it's the reason it broke
[04:05] <cbx33> I am running breezy....so i installed pbuilder as per instructions
[04:05] <bddebian> cbx33: Did you read the Pbuilder HowTo wiki page?
[04:06] <cbx33> on the wiki....changed the sources.list to be dapper, and the extracted the dapper debootstrap script from the source and plonked it into my filestructure
[04:06] <cbx33> can i have a pbuilder environment with dapper on a breezy system
[04:07] <Gloubiboulga> yes cbx33
[04:07] <zakame> of course
[04:07] <cbx33> i thought it must be
[04:07] <cbx33> forgive my stupidity
[04:08] <cbx33> think anyone could givem a hand getting it up and running in a mo
[04:08] <cbx33> just gonna get the laptop
[04:09] <bddebian> Ack, it was an unstable/dapper thing for maelstrom..
[04:09] <bddebian> <-- dumbass
[04:11] <zakame> bddebian: you're not alone ;-)
[04:11] <bddebian> That's my 3rd one so far.. :'-(
[04:12] <cbx33> ok I'm starting the pbuilder from scrath again
[04:12] <cbx33> it's ok cos thi sis on another machine
[04:12] <cbx33> and one which i would be using for this kinda thing anyway
[04:15] <bddebian> WTF, I did it for spider too :-(
[04:15] <Pupeno> Hello.
[04:16] <Pupeno> I've uploaded a package to revu but it doesn't appear here http://revu.tauware.de/
[04:16] <bddebian> Pupeno: Is your key on REVU?
[04:16] <Pupeno> What might I be missing ?
[04:17] <Pupeno> bddebian: it should be, it was added, some days ago (is there a deadline to upload the first package) ?
[04:17] <bddebian> Pupeno: No, shouldn't be
[04:18] <Hobbsee> Pupeno: how long ago did you submit the package?
[04:19] <Pupeno> Hobbsee: 3 or 4 hours ago.
[04:19] <Hobbsee> oh ok
[04:19] <cbx33> ok guys
[04:19] <cbx33> I've re-installed pbuilder
[04:20] <cbx33> editited the pbuilderrrc
[04:20] <cbx33> just about to edit the sources.list file to dapper
[04:22] <bddebian> What person/team should we assign main bugs too?
[04:23] <zakame> bddebian: awww
[04:24] <bddebian> zakame: ?
[04:24] <cbx33> ok sources edited
[04:24] <cbx33> run the opbuilder create now?
[04:25] <zakame> bddebian: maelstrom, then spider...
[04:25] <bddebian> zakame: Oh :-)
[04:25] <cbx33> ok...that breaks
[04:25] <Gloubiboulga> cbx33, yep :)
[04:25] <cbx33> shall i do what i did last time and download the debootstrap source to extract the dapper script?
[04:26] <Gloubiboulga> cbx33, do you have a error message?
[04:26] <bddebian> cbx33: Maybe I'm out of the loop but what do you need debootstrap for pbuilder for?
[04:26] <cbx33> to biuld the environment
[04:27] <cbx33> using pbuilder create
[04:27] <cbx33> as in the docs
[04:27] <cbx33> I'm following this tut
[04:27] <cbx33> http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html
[04:28] <bddebian> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto?highlight=%28PbuilderHowTo%29
[04:29] <cbx33> sudo pbuilder create --distribution breezy
[04:29] <cbx33> that step breaks on mine
[04:29] <cbx33> i'm doing it for dapper
[04:29] <cbx33> for a start there is no dapper script in breezy obviously
[04:29] <Yagisan> G'day all. Do we have something like debian-legal for ubuntu ? I'd like a quick check of a license template to see if it is ok as a template
[04:30] <cbx33> so i downloaded the debootstrap source and copied it out
[04:30] <bddebian> cbx33: Create your pbuilder with breezy first (with breezy in sources.list).  Then create it.  Than change pbuilder source.list to dapper and do an upgrade
[04:31] <cbx33> ok
[04:32] <cbx33> ok
[04:32] <cbx33> going
[04:49] <cbx33> w00t
[04:53] <Yagisan> cbx33: congrats. Now what are you going to build ?
[04:53] <cbx33> hello
[04:53] <cbx33> as per my tut instructions :p
[04:54] <cbx33> I'll get to the bigger stuff oneday
[04:54] <Yagisan> oh, we have a packaging guide ?
[04:54] <cbx33> yes
[04:55] <Yagisan> I never noticed.
[05:01] <cbx33> ok
[05:01] <cbx33> got a problem :p
[05:01] <cbx33> make -i distclean doesn;t have a target
[05:10] <cbx33> anyone got a spare sec?
[05:11] <bddebian> cbx33: Just ask :-)
[05:11] <cbx33> well I'm trying to build the source package for hello
[05:11] <cbx33> i ge a .changes file
[05:12] <cbx33> but it's failing because it can't run the distclean.....this is bcause Makefile is not there
[05:12] <cbx33> that arrives after the ./configure doesn;t it?
[05:12] <azeem> that's expected
[05:12] <azeem> ...if you build a source pacakge
[05:12] <azeem> dpkg-buildpackage just runs debian/rules clean, which basically has nothing to do if you did not build the program before
[05:13] <cbx33> yeh....so i have to build the binaries first?
[05:13] <azeem> what are you trying to dO?
[05:13] <cbx33> well i have the source
[05:13] <azeem> ok
[05:13] <cbx33> the tutorial I'm follwoing says to build the source file
[05:13] <cbx33> the package
[05:13] <cbx33> but it;s failing
[05:14] <cbx33> after i do the source it says to do the binary one
[05:14] <azeem> is it really failing, or is the error ignored?
[05:14] <cbx33> it says it was ignored
[05:14] <cbx33> ah don;t wory
[05:14] <cbx33> I'm being stupid
[05:15] <bddebian> cbx33: Welcome to the club :-)
[05:15] <cbx33> no I'm not
[05:15] <cbx33> where does the file get created?
[05:15] <azeem> in ..
[05:15] <cbx33> the src deb
[05:16] <cbx33> swat i thought
[05:16] <cbx33> it's not there
[05:16] <cbx33> only a .changes file
[05:16] <azeem> source.changes?
[05:16] <cbx33> yes
[05:16] <azeem> no .dsc?
[05:16] <cbx33> yes
[05:16] <cbx33> but that was there before
[05:16] <cbx33> ah
[05:16] <cbx33> i see
[05:16] <cbx33> :p
[05:18] <cbx33> w00t
[05:18] <cbx33> it works
[05:18] <cbx33> where's the source .deb?
[05:20] <Yagisan> cbx33: please don't hit enter after just one or two words. It makes a lot of vertical scrollback.
[05:20] <azeem> cbx33: the source package is the set of files referenced in the source.changes
[05:20] <cbx33> sorry
[05:20] <bddebian> cbx33: What do you mean where is the source .deb?
[05:20] <azeem> basically, .orig.tar.gz, .diff.gz, .dsc, there's no .deb for source
[05:20] <bddebian> Yes, as azeem says
[05:21] <cbx33> ah
[05:21] <cbx33> brb
[05:30] <hub> dholbach: I have a fix for a bug in main https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/abiword/+bug/38412
[05:30] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 38412 in abiword ""Collaborate..." menu item doesn't do anything" [Normal,Unconfirmed] 
[05:30] <hub> dholbach: I provided the debdiff, if you want/can upload
[05:31] <cbx33> sorry Yagisan about the enter:p  I guess my brain buffer is very small
[05:31] <cbx33> Hi LaserJock
[05:32] <cbx33> working through your docs now
[05:32] <Yagisan> cbx33: don't worry about it.
[05:32] <cbx33> i've fixed the problem i described, by starting with a brezzy then working up to a dapper, so I'm well on the way, have created the hello pacakges using the first method
[05:34] <LaserJock> cbx33: when did you start?
[05:34] <cbx33> um....well...it's 16:34 now...
[05:34] <cbx33> i originally started at about 7:30 this morning
[05:34] <cbx33> took me 45 mins before i wrote the email to you, but i screwed up....started again this afternoon, took about 25 mins to get to the end of the first method
[05:34] <LaserJock> hmm, I did a major rewrite of the "Packaging from Scratch" section about7 hours ago
[05:35] <cbx33> :p
[05:35] <LaserJock> it is up on doc.ubuntu.com so make sure you have refreshed your browser ;-)
[05:35] <cbx33> did you get my mail....and i suppose the main question was any of it any help?
[05:36] <LaserJock> I just got up to work on finishing the guide. I saw I have an email but I haven't read it yet. Doing so now
[05:36] <cbx33> heheh
[05:37] <cbx33> probably not that helpful now, plus, i fixed my major error in there, still want feedback on the rest of it?
[05:37] <LaserJock> so you started with a breezy pbuilder and upgraded it?
[05:38] <cbx33> i did now, first of all i tried just starting with a dapper one
[05:38] <LaserJock> did you install the Dapper version of debootstrap?
[05:38] <cbx33> no :p
[05:38] <cbx33> but i did nick the script from the dapper debootstrap source
[05:39] <dholbach> hub: i'll have a look
[05:39] <LaserJock> you can just dpkg -i the dapper .deb
[05:40] <cbx33> well, i could have :p  but i didn't know the impact so i went for the safer option - but it still broke it
[05:41] <hub> dholbach: thx
[05:41] <dholbach> de rien
[05:42] <cbx33> dholbach, I'm getting there :p
[05:43] <LaserJock> cbx33: the other thing is what distro you have in your /etc/pbuilder/apt.config/sources.list file
[05:43] <cbx33> packaged up hello and it all works
[05:43] <cbx33> well it was breezy...so i switched it to dapper....this is the first time
[05:43] <cbx33> but now it all works fine
[05:43] <LaserJock> I'll try to make the pbuilder section a bit clearer on those points. you are the second person to have that problem
[05:43] <cbx33> starting off with breezy and then moving up to dapper
[05:43] <cbx33> thought I was being clever LaserJock turns out I wasn't :p
[06:02] <cbx33> LaserJock, could be because I am stupid :p
[06:02] <LaserJock> your not the first one to mention it
[06:02] <bddebian> cbx33: I have the claim on stupidity in the MOTU's so that's not allowed :-)
[06:02] <LaserJock> cbx33: just wait until you want to make more than one pbuilder >:)
[06:03] <LaserJock> bddebian: heck no. that imake/xmkmf stuff scares me :/
[06:06] <cbx33> heheh
[06:06] <cbx33> so...i watned to ask....is there a package....that someone has the old and teh fixed versions./...
[06:06] <cbx33> that I could try to fix and someone could possibly give me guidence in steps....not hold my hand just some general pointers
[06:07] <cbx33> bddebian, I'll fight you for the stupidity claim....:p
[06:07] <bddebian> You don't stand a chance :-)
[06:08] <cbx33> we'll see :p
[06:08] <LaserJock> cbx33: how do you mean? for a fix or something?
[06:08] <cbx33> well, I really want to do this. but i think i need some practise, my idea was to fix something someone has already fixed
[06:08] <cbx33> and to talk to that person so they could gimme some pointers when i get stuck
[06:11] <LaserJock> cbx33: there a merge tutorial in the "Ubuntu Packaging" chapter. it might be too much but you could give it a go
[06:12] <cbx33> might be too much...what are you suggesting...I'm trying out to be a master of the universe...nothing is too much for me...
[06:13] <cbx33> are you talking about the xcdroast one?
[06:14] <LaserJock> yes
[06:14] <LaserJock> I went through quite a bit of detail on how to see the differences between packages with that
[06:15] <LaserJock> and although it isn't a bug fix, it is certainly something we will be doing a lot of when Dapper+1 repos open :-)
[06:16] <cbx33> ok excellent
[06:16] <cbx33> I'll work through that one
[06:17] <cbx33> thank you so muhc LaserJock you've been a realy help to me
[06:17] <LaserJock> cbx33: that's my job (umm, volunteer work) ;-)
[06:20] <Marticus> I'd like to report an issue with expert mode installation at the 'base-config new' step
[06:21] <cbx33> is it fixed in dapper so that an exper install performs the visudo
[06:21] <cbx33> LaserJock, the xcdroast source from debian links are broken
[06:21] <cbx33> any idea on an alternative?
[06:21] <Marticus> cbx33: I just installed using expert, I ended up manually running visudo
[06:22] <LaserJock> crap, they shouldn't be
[06:22] <cbx33> Marticus, that needs to be fixed
[06:22] <Marticus> I Was just confirming it :)
[06:22] <cbx33> that steered me away from ubuntu for a long time
[06:22] <Marticus> my current issue with expert is that it didn't seem to ever prompt me for the type of package configuration I wanted
[06:22] <cbx33> i needed to do a expert intstall for proxies originally
[06:22] <Marticus> is that normal?
[06:23] <LaserJock> cbx33: what links don't work?
[06:23] <cbx33> you mean http ftp cdrom ?
[06:23] <cbx33> the 2 set of 2
[06:23] <cbx33> 2nd set of 2
[06:23] <Marticus> um, either
[06:23] <Marticus> I opted for installing from the net
[06:23] <LaserJock> Marticus: I don't think any Ubuntu install asks for package configurations, but I could be wrong
[06:23] <Marticus> so I suppose http
[06:23] <cbx33> i don;t think it does either
[06:23] <cbx33> I've never had it do that
[06:23] <Marticus> I see
[06:24] <Marticus> I had hoped to skip all the Xorg stuff
[06:24] <cbx33> but the visudo is a killer
[06:24] <LaserJock> Marticus: do a server install
[06:24] <Marticus> but it doesn't matter at this point because 'base-config new' isn't working
[06:24] <Marticus> it doesn't register that it was sent -y
[06:24] <cbx33> i hated ubuntu till i figured that one out.....was a while ago now...now i love ubu more than any other distro :p
[06:24] <Marticus> and the screen pauses
[06:24] <Marticus> forever
[06:24] <cbx33> and ever
[06:24] <LaserJock> cbx33: what sudo thing?
[06:24] <cbx33> I'll love you forever :p
[06:25] <Marticus> heh
[06:25] <cbx33> LaserJock, scroll up...in an expert install
[06:25] <cbx33> the visudo step to make the user part of the wheel group isn't performed
[06:25] <Marticus> in expert, it never sets up the user with sudo access
[06:25] <LaserJock> yikes
[06:25] <cbx33> consequently all gnome apps that need root just do nothing
[06:25] <LaserJock> is there a bug report on Malone?
[06:25] <cbx33> which frustrated me
[06:26] <cbx33> no idea
[06:26] <cbx33> want me to file one?
[06:26] <Marticus> at least, I'm not sure when that is supposed to happen becase I get stuck on the base-config new (download packages) step
[06:26] <cbx33> at... i see
[06:26] <cbx33> LaserJock, it could be fixed....but wasn't in warty or breezy
[06:27] <LaserJock> make sure to check for a bug report and report it if there isn't
[06:27] <cbx33> ok
[06:27] <cbx33> I'll handle that
[06:27] <Marticus> so I guess I need to fux around with the position of the -y flag until it works
[06:27] <LaserJock> if it is still doing that with dapper, I'm not sure about breezy
[06:27] <LaserJock> you should try to verify with someone that it still happens for dapper
[06:28] <cbx33> ok
[06:28] <Marticus> any thoughts on the other issue?
[06:28] <cbx33> sorry Marticus
[06:28] <Marticus> mmkay
[06:29] <cbx33> so is it the xorg that is killing ya?
[06:31] <cbx33> LaserJock, any confirmation on those links
[06:31] <cbx33> ?
[06:31] <Marticus> not really
[06:31] <LaserJock> umm, the one I tried worked. which one didn't for you?
[06:31] <Marticus> base-config stops before it downloads any packages
[06:31] <cbx33> I'll refresh and try again
[06:31] <cbx33> Marticus, what's happeneing
[06:32] <Marticus> I've moved the -y to immediately after aptitude and apt-get in the pcksel to see if it works
[06:32] <cbx33> LaserJock, nope neither of those work
[06:32] <cbx33> the 4 and 5th link
[06:33] <Marticus> well
[06:33] <Marticus> I think that may have worked
[06:33] <LaserJock> ahh crap
[06:33] <Marticus> although I ran base-config once without the new option
[06:34] <Marticus> so that may have had something to do with it now working with the new option
[06:34] <cbx33> indeed it may have
[06:34] <Marticus> at any rate, the process became unstable and I had to manually step through at this point
[06:34] <cbx33> yes
[06:34] <Marticus> I might try it once more from scratch
[06:34] <cbx33> i would
[06:34] <cbx33> if you get through it can you confirm the visudo problem and I'll bug report it
[06:35] <Marticus> sure
[06:35] <Marticus> um
[06:35] <Marticus> should I tell it to install the installer stuff from the net or the cd?
[06:35] <Marticus> it prompted me and I chose cdrom
[06:35] <cbx33> cd
[06:35] <Marticus> okay
[06:35] <LaserJock> crap, crap, crap >:(
[06:35] <cbx33> what's up LaserJock
[06:35] <cbx33> anything I can do?
[06:36] <Marticus> ubuntu ftw
[06:36] <LaserJock> well snapshot.debian.net doesn't seem to carry any of the xcdroast info from before 2005
[06:36] <Marticus> okay before it get's too deep into downloading, I'll restart
[06:36] <LaserJock> it used to but not now
[06:36] <cbx33> LaserJock, do you have them anywhere?
[06:36] <Marticus> and btw this iso is from 4 days ago-ish
[06:36] <cbx33> we could host them somewhere?
[06:37] <cbx33> as a cache to make sure the tut never breaks
[06:37] <LaserJock> cbx33: yes, but it means that I'll have to ship those files on every Ubuntu install :(
[06:37] <cbx33> oh i see....you're including them with dapper
[06:38] <cbx33> couldn't you get it to just ship the source and get it to create the others from teh changes when the package is installed?
[06:38] <cbx33> then there would only be one source package
[06:38] <LaserJock> All I'll need to include is the 2 files that don't download, which isn't a whole lot
[06:38] <LaserJock> but it is still annoying
[06:38] <cbx33> true
[06:38] <cbx33> but then thinking what happens if they change?
[06:39] <cbx33> you could do it the other way and make it unbreakable :p
[06:39] <LaserJock> then I'm screwed :-(
[06:39] <cbx33> of course not :p
[06:40] <LaserJock> well, I'll se how much everything but the .orig.tar.gz files is
[06:40] <cbx33> LaserJock, it's possible to do it the way I described isn't it?
[06:40] <cbx33> just for my own piece of mind :p
[06:40] <LaserJock> I need all the .diff.gz and .dsc files from all the versions I'm dealing with
[06:40] <LaserJock> which might take up some space, but it might be worth it
[06:41] <cbx33> i would say there is nothing worse than a tutorial that doesn't work
[06:41] <LaserJock> I agree
[06:41] <cbx33> people get frustrated and give up
[06:41] <pef> hello
[06:41] <pef> is pbuilder broken for someone ?
[06:42] <cbx33> it was
[06:42] <LaserJock> well, looks like I can ship everything but the .orig.tar.gz for a few hundred K
[06:42] <pef> cbx33: and now it works for you ? I cannot run pbuilder create without errors at the end
[06:43] <LaserJock> pef: are you creating a Dapper pbuilder?
[06:43] <pef> LaserJock: yes
[06:43] <cbx33> pef what's the issue?
[06:43] <cbx33> is it to do with vim-runtime?
[06:43] <cbx33> and a missing dependency
[06:44] <pef> cbx33: just wait a minute, I don't have the machine where the problem occurs near me
[06:44] <cbx33> ok
[06:49] <pef> cbx33: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11607
[06:49] <pef> LaserJock: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11607
[06:49] <pef> after running the command "pbuilder create"
[06:49] <cbx33> nope not had that issue
[06:49] <cbx33> did you start wit ha breezy pbuilder?
[06:49] <LaserJock> yikes that is weird
[06:49] <cbx33> then edit to make it up to a dapper?
[06:50] <LaserJock> pef: did you just dist-upgrade?
[06:50] <pef> no, fresh install of pbuilder and running create command
[06:50] <cbx33> very odd
[06:51] <cbx33> I gtg, I'll leave it with you LaserJock :p - could you drop me a mail if you find a link to those sources, i really want to try that merging bit
[06:51] <LaserJock> pef: right, but there have been a some updates to pbuilder recently, I wonder if one of those has messed something up
[06:51] <cbx33> I'll file that bug report later
[06:51] <LaserJock> cbx33: just a sec, I'll have it for you
[06:51] <pef> cbx33: I will fill it right now :)
[06:51] <cbx33> oh nice thank you
[06:51] <pef> ok
[06:53] <LaserJock> cbx33: http://tiber.tauware.de/~laserjock/
[06:58] <cbx33> LaserJock, you're a star
[06:59] <LaserJock> I'm also getting them permanently placed on doc.ubuntu.com so I can redo the links in the guide
[07:00] <LaserJock> thanks for finding that cbx33
[07:01] <cbx33> np thank you for the opportunity LaserJock :p
[07:01] <cbx33> anytime yo uwant docs checked just ask :p
[07:02] <LaserJock> are you subscribed to the ubuntu-devel or ubuntu-motu mailing lists?
[07:06] <Marticus> well
[07:07] <Marticus> it seems that the -y edits had no effect
[07:07] <Marticus> affect
[07:08] <Marticus> which I didn't think would be the case
[07:08] <Marticus> or rather, I thought they would have no affect :)
[07:09] <cbx33> LaserJock, not at the moment
[07:09] <cbx33> think it'd be a good idea?
[07:09] <crimsun> bddebian: apt-cache showsrc python-numarray|grep ^Binary
[07:09] <Marticus> hrm
[07:09] <Marticus> I wonder
[07:09] <LaserJock> sure ;-)  I was just going to say that I was going to email those lists asking for a review
[07:09] <LaserJock> cbx33: ^^
[07:11] <cbx33> ah ok excellent
[07:11] <cbx33> I'll join up....
[07:12] <bddebian> crimsun: You keep answering me in the wrong channel.. ;-P
[07:14] <Kyral> heyo bddebian
[07:14] <bddebian> Heya Kyral
[07:15] <bddebian> Gads I HATE packages that are just a debian dir and a tarball :-(
[07:16] <azeem> bddebian: why?
[07:16] <bddebian> azeem: Dunno, I just like to dig through the source for stuff :-)
[07:16] <azeem> you just need to make sure to put your hacking into debian/patches before you do anything which rm -rf's the build-tree ;)
[07:16] <crimsun> bddebian: that's because it's not worth cluttering -devel
[07:17] <bddebian> azeem: That is assuming that there IS a debian/patches :-)
[07:17] <azeem> bddebian: there should be, unless there are no patches applied at all
[07:17] <bddebian> crimsun: Well I knew I couldn't see them in the archive
[07:17] <bddebian> azeem: Well I've run across a few of those :-
[07:17] <bddebian> )
[07:17] <azeem> bddebian: cool, then you can decide on the patch system yourself ;)
[07:18] <bddebian> Yeah, then get "yelled at" for deviating from Debian :-)
[07:18] <azeem> there's no other way in this case
[07:18] <azeem> if you need to modify the source, I mean
[07:18] <bddebian> Aye
[07:18] <azeem> unless you encode the patch into debian/rules ;)
[07:19] <bddebian> Hmmmmm
[07:19] <bddebian> ;-P
[07:40] <cbx33> anyone any idea when LaserJock will be back
[07:40] <cbx33> his links don;t work :S
[07:40] <crimsun> probably in a few hours
[07:40] <cbx33> I'll send him a mail and hope he picks it up
[07:41] <crimsun> he will later
[07:50] <cbx33> Marticus, did you confirm that the sudo bug is still there?
[07:51] <cbx33> sudo bug has already been reported by someone else
[07:57] <pef_aw> cbx33: was an extra space :) #38456
[08:01] <cbx33> heheh
[08:06] <cbx33> does freenode have memo facility?
[08:06] <crimsun> memoserv.
[08:07] <Tonio_> hello*
[08:08] <cbx33> stupid me
[08:11] <bddebian> Hello Tonio_
[08:11] <Tonio_> hi bddebian ;)
[08:19] <LaserJock> pef: you fixed pbuilder, great!
[08:19] <cbx33> LaserJock, you're back
[08:19] <cbx33> :p
[08:19] <cbx33> get my memo?
[08:21] <cbx33> oh and that bug isn't a bug...apparently it's intended behavior of sudo in expert install
[08:21] <LaserJock> cbx33: umm, yeah. http://doc.ubuntu.com/files/packagingguide/
[08:23] <LaserJock> cbx33: better?
[08:23] <cbx33> YAY
[08:23] <cbx33> thank you
[08:24] <LaserJock> I've updated the xml but I don't think the html has been updated
[08:24] <cbx33> ok
[08:26] <cbx33> do i need interdiff LaserJock ?
[08:26] <Marticus> dear god!
[08:26] <cbx33> of course I do
[08:26] <Marticus> well, I bypassed the errors
[08:26] <pef> LaserJock: bug wasn't too difficult ;)
[08:26] <Marticus> by skipping "Config apt"
[08:26] <LaserJock> cbx33: actually doc.ubuntu.com has been refreshed
[08:27] <cbx33> excellent
[08:27] <Marticus> but now it freezes the system at the point where it attempts to load x
[08:27] <cbx33> oh dear
[08:27] <Marticus> so I need to make it skip the xconfig process
[08:27] <Marticus> somehow
[08:27] <cbx33> sounds like you're having a tough time of it Marticus
[08:27] <Marticus> until I can manually configure it
[08:27] <Marticus> it's a new laptop
[08:27] <Marticus> I have hack instructions here to get x working
[08:28] <Marticus> I don't know what base-config is doing at this point
[08:28] <LaserJock> cbx33: you don't need interdiff specifically. It should already be installed
[08:28] <cbx33> it comes with patchutils
[08:28] <cbx33> and is now installed
[08:28] <Marticus> btw, shouldn't install grub do a password confirmation?
[08:28] <Marticus> it might be a good idea
[08:29] <LaserJock> cbx33: did you not have patchutils?
[08:30] <cbx33> heheheh nope
[08:30] <cbx33> actually is that specified in your tut?
[08:31] <Marticus> can I tell dpkg to not configure X?
[08:31] <Marticus> so I can skip it and come back?
[08:32] <Marticus> otherwise it will freeze
[08:32] <Marticus> because I can't apt-get install the correct drivers and finish the manual config process
[08:32] <Marticus> I didn't mean this to become a support issue, I merely wanted to report here a few issues...
[08:33] <Marticus> like the grub password verification
[08:33] <LaserJock> cbx33: no, but it is a dependency of devscripts which is
[08:34] <cbx33> not here it's not
[08:34] <cbx33> culd be coz im still on breezy perhaps?
[08:34] <Marticus> and the fact that I needed to step through the time clock setup twice, i.e., With GMT, US->Eastern, then Without GMT, US->Eastern, in order to get the correct local and utc times
[08:34] <LaserJock> cbx33: do you have devscripts installed? I think I might have overlooked it :(
[08:35] <cbx33> yes i do
[08:36] <cbx33> i see a small spelling error too....near the end of the merging tutorial
[08:36] <cbx33> the second paragraph from the end starrts Now you can
[08:36] <cbx33> the word packages on that line is misspelled
[08:36] <LaserJock> k
[08:37] <LaserJock> can you run "apt-cache rdepends patchutils" for me?
[08:37] <cbx33> yeh sure
[08:37] <cbx33> reverse depends devscripts
[08:37] <cbx33> dpatch
[08:38] <cbx33> and freebsd5-buildutils
[08:38] <LaserJock> but you had devscripts installed but no patchutils?
[08:38] <cbx33> yes
[08:39] <bddebian> Damn ace is a pig
[08:39] <Marticus> sigh
[08:39] <LaserJock> cbx33: ahh, patchutils is only Suggests for devscripts, not a hard Depends
[08:40] <Marticus> I just need to correctly configure X so base-config will finish doing what I needs to do
[08:40] <cbx33> there ya go
[08:40] <cbx33> LaserJock, in the section where you talk about creating the desktop entry file
[08:40] <cbx33> you don;t say where to create it
[08:40] <Marticus> I think it freezes whilst trying to detect a video card
[08:42] <LaserJock> cbx33: in the packaging itself or where it should be installed by the .deb?
[08:42] <cbx33> in the packaging itself
[08:42] <cbx33> it says
[08:43] <cbx33> now in dirs add the following line
[08:43] <cbx33> then below that section it has the code for the desktop entry
[08:43] <cbx33> but doesn;t say where to put or what to call that file
[08:44] <LaserJock> it does say (xcdroast.desktop) but you are right that it doesn't say where it should go (in debian/)
[08:44] <cbx33> ah right
[08:44] <LaserJock> thanks for another catch :-)
[08:44] <cbx33> ok
[08:44] <cbx33> I'm at the end
[08:44] <cbx33> just goign to try creating it
[08:46] <LaserJock> Ok, I changed it to "Now we need the actual .desktop file (saved as debian/xcdroast.desktop)."
[08:46] <LaserJock> good?
[08:47] <cbx33> yes good
[08:47] <cbx33> got antoher problem :p
[08:47] <LaserJock> of course ;-)
[08:47] <cbx33> hang on I'll pastebin it
[08:48] <cbx33> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11615
[08:48] <Marticus> okay well
[08:49] <Marticus> scratch this, I don't have the time to fix this brokenness
[08:49] <cbx33> Marticus, you'll be back :p
[08:49] <cbx33> it always happens that way
[08:49] <Marticus> I wanted ubuntu damnit :P
[08:49] <Marticus> because debian = slow
[08:49] <cbx33> does it do the same in breezy?
[08:49] <Marticus> I am using breezy...
[08:50] <cbx33> oh
[08:50] <Marticus> base-config hangs during video detection
[08:50] <cbx33> hmmm
[08:50] <cbx33> no idea on that one....
[08:50] <Marticus> so I'm in single user mode at the moment
[08:50] <cbx33> LaserJock, does that error ring any bells
[08:50] <Marticus> trying to figure out how to skip the auto configuration of X
[08:51] <LaserJock> cbx33: do you have debhelper installed?
[08:52] <cbx33> nope
[08:52] <cbx33> i do now though
[08:52] <LaserJock> cbx33: ok, that's another one I need to add
[08:52] <cbx33> ok now another problem
[08:52] <cbx33> a fatal error about inseting a pgp key
[08:53] <LaserJock> pastebin it
[08:53] <cbx33> is this added on the debuild line?
[08:53] <cbx33> next pastebin
[08:54] <cbx33> oops
[08:54] <cbx33> my bad
[08:54] <cbx33> no not my bad
[08:54] <cbx33> gnupg is installed
[08:55] <LaserJock> hmm, odd
[08:55] <cbx33> indeed
[08:55] <LaserJock> what does "which gpg" give you?
[08:55] <cbx33> /usr/bin/gpg
[08:56] <LaserJock> cbx33: do you have a gpg key?
[08:56] <cbx33> yes....but not on this machine.....
[08:56] <LaserJock> maybe that is the problem
[08:56] <cbx33> that might be another thing to add
[08:57] <LaserJock> well, you should have one from the "Building from scratch" section (or know to use -us -uc)
[08:57] <LaserJock> :-)
[08:57] <Marticus> sigh
[08:57] <cbx33> you mean the debhelper section
[08:58] <cbx33> the one i skipped.....for doing tomorrow
[08:58] <LaserJock> no, it should be in the first one
[08:58] <cbx33> it's not
[09:00] <cbx33> how do i move a gpg key from one machine to the other?
[09:01] <LaserJock> cbx33: tar up the .gnupg directory
[09:01] <cbx33> heh
[09:01] <cbx33> swat i thought
[09:01] <cbx33> 11620 pastebin
[09:02] <cbx33> i sftp'd the files over
[09:02] <LaserJock> cbx33: last section of http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-scratch.html
[09:03] <LaserJock> cbx33: are you sure you have the email address right in the changelog? it has to be the same email address as your gpg key
[09:03] <cbx33> ah checking
[09:05] <cbx33> nope
[09:05] <cbx33> same error about secret key not being available
[09:05] <cbx33> when it is
[09:06] <cbx33> rw for me
[09:06] <LaserJock> hmmm, I've never had that problem before
[09:07] <cbx33> my key works fien on this fc4 machine
[09:07] <LaserJock> cbx33: can you try signing some file to see if it works?
[09:07] <cbx33> yeh sure
[09:08] <cbx33> yup signed no problem
[09:08] <LaserJock> :S
[09:08] <LaserJock> what the heck?
[09:09] <cbx33> ok wondered if my name had to be exactly the same...but no
[09:09] <cbx33> still the same issue
[09:10] <LaserJock> try adding -k<keyid> to debuild -S
[09:10] <cbx33> ok
[09:10] <cbx33> yup
[09:10] <cbx33> that worked
[09:10] <cbx33> might want to add that to the syncing tut
[09:11] <LaserJock> well, you shouldn't need to
[09:11] <cbx33> but i remember you have it added in the debhelper bit if i recall
[09:11] <cbx33> and i still can't find it mention gpg keys in build from scratch
[09:12] <LaserJock> lol, it in the "Building the Source Package" part
[09:12] <LaserJock> cbx33: try adding something like:
[09:12] <LaserJock> export DEBFULLNAME="Jordan Mantha"
[09:12] <LaserJock> export DEBEMAIL="mantha@ubuntu.com"
[09:12] <LaserJock> to your .bashrc
[09:12] <LaserJock> and reopen your terminal
[09:13] <cbx33> well it's building now
[09:13] <jaldhar> cbx33: do you have multiple secret keys?
[09:15] <sladen> win 108
[09:15] <cbx33> jaldhar, nope
[09:15] <cbx33> LaserJock, you added that bit today
[09:15] <cbx33> grrr.
[09:15] <LaserJock> mwuahahaha
[09:16] <LaserJock> actually it was 1:00 am local time
[09:16] <cbx33> grr. LaserJock i just printed it out and everything :p
[09:16] <jaldhar> cbx33: you sure?  From an experiment maybe?  Because your problem sounds like what happens when you are not using your default key or it is not associated with the same id
[09:16] <cbx33> so i could annotate
[09:16] <cbx33> hmmm.....nope
[09:16] <cbx33> only one key that i know of
[09:17] <LaserJock> cbx33: well perhaps when it is released, you can buy a print copy from lulu.com. we'll see :-)
[09:18] <cbx33> just you wait...
[09:18] <cbx33> well it's worked
[09:18] <LaserJock> cbx33: did you try adjusting your .bashrc?
[09:18] <cbx33> not yet will do so now
[09:18] <LaserJock> cbx33: it worked with the -k ?
[09:18] <cbx33> ye
[09:19] <LaserJock> ok, so debuild just can't find your key, I think that perhaps the .bashrc thing will help
[09:20] <cbx33> nope
[09:20] <cbx33> doesn't help
[09:20] <cbx33> but I have no problem adding the -k
[09:20] <LaserJock> arggh
[09:20] <cbx33> infact i prefer that
[09:20] <cbx33> calm down LaserJock
[09:20] <LaserJock> heh, easy for you to say ;-)
[09:21] <cbx33> LaserJock, anything else for me to try
[09:21] <LaserJock> are you sure the name and email address of your key is the same as in the changelog?
[09:21] <cbx33> I understand it all too :p
[09:21] <cbx33> I will triple check
[09:21] <LaserJock> and they are the same as DEBFULLNAME and DEBEMAIL?
[09:22] <cbx33> ok
[09:22] <cbx33> dpkg is still trying to sign with pete@localhost.localdomain
[09:22] <cbx33> hang on
[09:24] <cbx33> ok it;s picked up my name now
[09:24] <cbx33> check this pastebin entry
[09:24] <cbx33> 11622
[09:27] <LaserJock> cbx33: well... The name and email address are now all the same?
[09:27] <cbx33> yes
[09:27] <cbx33> what's the .asc file....is that hte signing?
[09:28] <LaserJock> yeah
[09:28] <cbx33> it shouldn't be of 0 length should it
[09:28] <LaserJock> nope, not if the signing worked
[09:28] <cbx33> aH
[09:28] <cbx33> HANG ON
[09:28] <cbx33> whoooops
[09:30] <cbx33> ok if the gpg sign succeeds does the .asc file dissapear?
[09:30] <LaserJock> I think so, but I'm not sure. let me check
[09:30] <cbx33> ok coool
[09:30] <cbx33> then it;s working...but i still have to do -k
[09:32] <LaserJock> ok, well I think you have got something weird going on.
[09:32] <LaserJock> I'm going to add a note about using -k<keyid> if signing doesn't automatically work
[09:32] <cbx33> excellent
[09:32] <cbx33> well,
[09:33] <cbx33> i managed to do it LaserJock I followed your tut
[09:33] <LaserJock> phew, do you feel like a Master of the Universe now? ;-)
[09:34] <cbx33> getting there
[09:34] <cbx33> feels good actually
[09:35] <cbx33> think it's something i could really help with
[09:35] <cbx33> now i need to do one on my own
[09:35] <LaserJock> just wait until we start working on Dapper+1 and there will be ~1000 merges or syncs to do
[09:35] <cbx33> any idea on the naming for the netxt one ?
[09:35] <cbx33> :p
[09:35] <cbx33> some of the kids in yuthlug had some ideas
[09:36] <LaserJock> seems like Edgy something is popular
[09:36] <cbx33> Farty Ferret - Crackhead Crocodile
[09:36] <cbx33> were their favourites
[09:36] <LaserJock> lol
[09:36] <cbx33> yeh we're running a competition
[09:36] <cbx33> it'll be on the podcast when we finish
[09:36] <cbx33> I'll send you a link when it;s done
[09:37] <LaserJock> lol, do
[09:37] <cbx33> so when you submit a patch
[09:37] <cbx33> of a fix
[09:38] <cbx33> you submit the .diff.tgz
[09:38] <cbx33> and the .dsc
[09:38] <cbx33> i presume?
[09:38] <cbx33> and the source.changes ?
[09:38] <LaserJock> actually, you usually submit a debdiff
[09:38] <LaserJock> from the current version to the fixed version
[09:38] <cbx33> ah i see
[09:38] <cbx33> from one .dsc to another
[09:39] <LaserJock> yes
[09:39] <cbx33> see i'm getting it
[09:39] <cbx33> and all your changes are done in debian/
[09:39] <LaserJock> MOTUs will then apply the debdiff and then upload the source.changes file
[09:39] <cbx33> additions of file and stuff
[09:39] <LaserJock> ideally, yes
[09:39] <LaserJock> usually through the dpatch system
[09:39] <cbx33> so if i get good at doing the debdiffs then after that comes the motu stage :p
[09:39] <LaserJock> which I haven't had time to really cover in the guide
[09:39] <cbx33> no no that's fine
[09:39] <cbx33> will you soon?
[09:40] <LaserJock> not sure
[09:40] <cbx33> your guides are pretty excellent
[09:40] <LaserJock> you need to become an Ubuntu member before you become a MOTU
[09:40] <cbx33> i write a bit for linux gazette
[09:40] <cbx33> http://linuxgazette.net/authors/savage.html
[09:40] <cbx33> of course...and you do that by spotting and fixing bugs?
[09:41] <LaserJock> yes, for at least 2 months
[09:41] <LaserJock> you need to show contribution to Ubuntu
[09:41] <cbx33> i see
[09:42] <LaserJock> IRC, translations, bug fixes etc.
[09:42] <cbx33> on average how many patches/time spent do you think you need
[09:42] <LaserJock> if you work with -motu for 2 months you'll become a member no problem ;-)
[09:42] <cbx33> like i have been doing?
[09:43] <cbx33> heheh
[09:43] <bddebian> I believe there are like 9000 bugs, then you can apply ;-P
[09:43] <LaserJock> yeah. The bar isn't very high. They want sustained (~ 2 months) and significant (you have done something to help Ubuntu) contribution
[09:44] <cbx33> hehe....I've converted loads of people at work to ubuntu
[09:44] <cbx33> loadsa kids...esp in youthlug :D
[09:44] <LaserJock> cbx33: that is a contribution
[09:44] <LaserJock> bddebian: you don't need too, you are already in the club ;-)
[09:44] <cbx33> we're interviewing edubuntu on youthlug radio too :p
[09:45] <cbx33> hehe
[09:45] <bddebian> LaserJock: Oh yeah.. Heh :-)
[09:45] <LaserJock> cbx33: are you interested in Edubuntu? I know ogra can always use more help with the packaging aspect
[09:45] <cbx33> hence y I'm here LaserJock
[09:45] <cbx33> ogra pointed me in here for that reason :p
[09:45] <LaserJock> I'm going to try to help Edubuntu for Dapper+1
[09:46] <LaserJock> mostly university science stuff (because I'm a PhD  chemistry student)
[09:46] <cbx33> ah....
[09:46] <cbx33> I'm a BEng acoustical engineer
[09:46] <cbx33> working as an IT manager
[09:47] <cbx33> in a school
[09:47] <cbx33> heheh
[09:47] <LaserJock> I see :-)
[09:48] <cbx33> LaserJock, location?
[09:48] <LaserJock> Reno, NV, USA
[09:48] <cbx33> ah
[09:48] <LaserJock> you are in the UK?
[09:48] <cbx33> indeed i am
[09:48] <cbx33> well, hopefully guys I'm here to stay
[09:49] <cbx33> you should be hearing from me on a regular basis
[09:49] <cbx33> :p
[09:49] <LaserJock> great
[09:49] <LaserJock> thanks for all the review on the Packaging Guide
[09:49] <cbx33> not a problem
[09:49] <cbx33> just shout if you need anything else....
[09:49] <LaserJock> k
[09:50] <cbx33> i suppose that's a contribution to ubuntu too eh?
[09:50] <LaserJock> sure
[09:50] <cbx33> tbh...you guys are the nicest community I've been to in a long long time
[09:50] <LaserJock> just document it on your wiki page at wiki.ubuntu.com
[09:50] <LaserJock> tbh, that is why I'm here too :-)
[09:50] <cbx33> I've tried to help out with sooooo many projects...but no one offers support
[09:50] <cbx33> why?
[09:51] <bddebian> cbx33: Yes, they are (nice that is) :_)
[09:51] <cbx33> to help out us n00bs
[09:51] <LaserJock> This was the first disto that I felt I could be a part of
[09:51] <LaserJock> not just a user
[09:51] <cbx33> where is my wiki page?
[09:51] <cbx33> or where do i create it?
[09:51] <LaserJock> wiki.ubuntu.com
[09:52] <LaserJock> cbx33: go to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PeteSavage and hit HomepageTemplate
[09:53] <LaserJock> and document all the work you do for Ubuntu, it will come in handy later, trust me
[09:55] <cbx33> ok
[09:55] <cbx33> what's your wiki page LaserJock
[09:56] <LaserJock> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JordanMantha but it might be a little stale
[09:57] <cbx33> just founf it
[10:37] <mitsuhiko> moin :-)
[10:38] <mitsuhiko> whom do i have to contact for a mysql-server vs. python2.4-mysqldb problem?
[10:38] <mitsuhiko> looks like a broken dependency
[10:38] <LaserJock> hmm, have you checked Malone for a bug report?
[10:39] <mitsuhiko> there isn't a single report mentioning mysql
[10:39] <mitsuhiko> and that's a bit strange :)
[10:40] <mitsuhiko> i will create a new repor
[10:40] <mitsuhiko> +t
[10:40] <mitsuhiko> .oO(hopefully the search isn't just broken)
[10:42] <mitsuhiko> ney. i'm just to stupid for the search function :)
[10:42] <LaserJock> heh, it gets all of us at some point
[10:43] <pygi> meebey, around? :)
[10:45] <mitsuhiko> filed: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/python-mysqldb/+bug/38494
[10:45] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 38494 in python-mysqldb python2.4-mysqldb "dependency problem" [Normal,Unconfirmed] 
[11:31] <dholbach> good night guys
[11:31] <Se7h> hi
[11:52] <ajmitch> hi
[11:52] <lifeless> hi
[11:53] <ajmitch> morning lifeless, how's it going?
[11:58] <LaserJock> hi ajmitch
[11:59] <lifeless> ajmitch: rockin'
[11:59] <lifeless> ajmitch: thou ?
[11:59] <ajmitch> doing alright
[11:59] <ajmitch> hoping I'm not coming down with the flu :)
[12:02] <Se7h> ajmitch LOL
[12:02] <Se7h> fear