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mhzogra?01:29
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iGotNoTimeFinally got it fixed :)01:47
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areelswhere can i see supported languages ?02:17
Burgworkareels, I don't there is a place, but which language are you interested in?02:23
areelsturkish02:23
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mhz.oO(gee, fluxbox is fast!)03:20
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jenatmcdsneed help with schooltools - love the idea and have tried to get it working - installed schoolbell but can't get it to run?  any ideas03:42
raekismJena where do you find schooltools?04:25
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bimberi!info schooltool04:28
ubotuschooltool: (common platform for school administration), section misc, is optional. Version: 0.11.2-1 (breezy), Packaged size: 31 kB, Installed size: 184 kB04:28
bimberi!info schoolbell04:28
ubotuschoolbell: (web-based calendaring server), section misc, is optional. Version: 1.2.2-1 (breezy), Packaged size: 30 kB, Installed size: 172 kB04:28
bimberiraekism: you can install them with Synaptic (or your preferred package manager)04:29
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kgoetzcorrect me if i'm wrong - but does edU have *red* title bars? different :)06:14
mhzred title bars?06:14
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kgoetzin dapper yeh. i just opened a terminal and its title bar sure as heck not brown :)06:17
kgoetzbbs06:53
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xwindI'm trying to boot a client computer from a diskette with an image from rom-o-matic. But it won't. The file "/ltsp/pxelinux.0" as specified in dhcpd.conf is not there. Where can I get it?08:27
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=== pygi pokes JaneW
JaneWhi09:54
pygiHi Jane09:54
JaneWgimme 2 mins please09:54
pygiwill do09:54
JaneWsending out weekly status report09:54
JaneWok done09:58
JaneWI'm all yours09:58
pygican you please see the new mail I sent out or should I just summarize that one sentence? :)09:59
JaneWit just arrived09:59
JaneWlet me look09:59
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highvoltageogra: i want to package this for tuxlabs: http://fixedreference.org/2006-Wikipedia-CD-Selection10:00
highvoltageogra: it's ~150MB10:00
highvoltageogra: would that be a possible candidate for universe, even if it's that large? or would the packages need to be split up?10:01
JaneWhighvoltage: nice10:01
JaneWpygi: ok, so you want the meeting and it should be public10:02
JaneWpygi: Monday at 13:0010:02
pygiJaneW: that's preety much it...being public won't help us (it will actually distract us most probably), but still... :)10:03
JaneWI still think we can go to #cookbook10:03
JaneWwe can announce it here and on our mailing list10:03
JaneWit will avoid arb ppl joining and leaving #u-m and commenting at random10:04
JaneWat least, and that may help a bit10:04
JaneWi.e. we will only have ppl there who sepcifically want to attend10:04
pygiJaneW: sure, agreed10:05
pygi#edubuntu-cookbook open10:05
JaneWyes, we won't have a password or anything10:05
pygiI've already registered the channel 10:06
pygiah :-/10:07
pygianyway, will you announce it to the list where the meeting is to take place or?10:08
JaneWok10:09
pygiJaneW: ok what? =P Ok, as in "I will announce" or as in "You go ahead, and announce"10:10
JaneWQ:  will you announce it to the list where the meeting is to take place10:10
JaneWA: ok10:10
pygiJaneW: aha, ok, sorry =P10:11
pygiand thanks 10:11
highvoltagehehe!10:13
magnonJaneW: I think you might be the kind of person who knows when the Ubuntu pro cert will be released?10:38
JaneWmagnon: " The certification exam will be launched in10:39
JaneWJohannesburg, South Africa, May 16 - 19, 2006."10:39
JaneWmagnon: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2006-April/000063.html10:40
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magnonthanks :)10:46
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jsgotangcoJaneW: lol11:41
JaneWjsgotangco: :P11:41
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JaneWjsgotangco: why not?11:42
JaneWcos of my typos or cos I;m a nerd?11:42
jsgotangcoi haven't accomplished anything here11:43
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JaneWjust trying to get some effective action now11:45
JaneWI have to go, have another chiro appt now11:45
JaneWalthough I feel better after dragging myself to yoga last night, and the instructor sprayed some magic (and weird smelling) chinese spray on my neck...11:46
jsgotangcoancient chinese secret medicine11:46
jsgotangcoyou'll never know what those are made of :)11:47
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JaneWyup appraently it's a military guarded secret recipe *shrug*11:48
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mhzre01:04
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Kamping_Kaiserhow do i file a bug against EdUbuntu? i'm looking at applications -> system tools -> terminal specificaly, and thinking it should be moved to accessories to be like the rest of dapper.01:23
JaneWteachers should not give kids drinking problems...01:25
JaneWhttp://colmans.net/ts/drinkingproblem.jpg01:25
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Kamping_Kaiserbhahaa. that's frigging classic. whoever does those cartoons is good - i'v seen them before01:29
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mhzogra: as I mentioned yesterday, caravena (ubuntu-cl) is interested in documenting edu apps. performances (is that called benchmarking?) given a certain HW env. Could you give us some tips?02:06
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xwindduring install of edubuntu 5.10 it said something like "failed creating chroot environment for ltsp". After install, i can not boot a thin client because vmlinuz and initrd.img are missing.03:36
xwindhow do i fix the failure?03:38
xwindshould i just wipe the disk and retry installing edubuntu from scratch?03:40
Kamping_Kaiseri cant help sorry, i have a workstation install here03:40
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xwindhi ogra03:44
ogra_mhz, sure03:44
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ogra_xwind, look at the last lines of /var/log/installer/messages03:44
xwindk03:44
ogra(you'll need to sudo to read it)03:45
xwindyes, been reading it. huge file, have not found anything relevant except:03:50
xwindSetting up linux-image-2.6.12-9-386 (2.6.12-9.23) ...03:50
xwindOr maybe you don't want a symbolic link here. Hmm? Lets See.03:50
xwindi just made some educated guess based on ogra and steelballz chat log. got to disconnect so i can test. bye for now.03:56
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mhzogra: sure... sure as in "yes I can give caravena some tips" ?04:03
ograyep04:04
ograjust ask04:04
mhzogra: okis04:04
mhzogra: caravena has left for work/university, I guess. Thx, anyways. I'll let him know04:05
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iGotNoTimeI have an off topic question....04:23
iGotNoTimeOn the wiki you guys have a sandbox correct?04:23
iGotNoTimeIs a sandbox a plugin or script? Or is it simply a *usergroup editable page ?04:24
iGotNoTimeI am trying to figure out the setup of a wiki and felt the need to ask a random question in here :)04:24
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iGotNoTimeOgra I did get that ICE error fixed like you said, it just took about 4 minutes of the brown screen to load the GUI04:49
iGotNoTimeI rebooted and now I think I just have to cope with a 5 minute boot up time. But I am happy I didn't lose any data :)04:49
iGotNoTimethanks for the help on that yesterday04:49
Kamping_Kaiserum. i have a few more questions... 1 is where is "multimedia systems selector", 2 is there are 2 screensaver otptions, and my query about the menu editor from before05:00
iGotNoTimesorry for delay I was working05:06
iGotNoTime#1 is located under system/ preferences05:07
iGotNoTime#2 is unclear to me sorry05:07
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Kamping_Kaiser(NP about work -i should be as well) hm. it's not there on my box :S05:08
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Kamping_Kaiserhi05:09
Kamping_Kaiser* hi zakame05:09
iGotNoTimeKamping_Kaiser, I really don't know then I have a full install on my desktop, I don't know the differences yet :(05:09
Kamping_KaiseriGotNoTime: "full install"?05:09
zakamehi Kamping_Kaiser! :D05:09
Kamping_Kaiseri know of 'server' 'workstation' and one i don't remember05:10
Kamping_Kaiser:)05:10
iGotNoTimeI used the default install05:10
iGotNoTimepressed enter05:10
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iGotNoTimeno I don't know sorry Kamping_Kaiser 05:12
Kamping_Kaisernm then. thanks ;)05:12
iGotNoTimeI have installed only a couple times, but have always had Multimedia Systems Selector under system/preferences05:13
iGotNoTimeSorry I am too new :/05:13
Kamping_Kaiserheh. i hvae done 2 workstaion installs (made sence at the time)05:13
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iGotNoTimeya ogra is the master :)05:15
Kamping_Kaiser:)05:15
na7ehey, anyone here work on the edubuntu preseed and/or cd-repos?05:20
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na7eno one, eh?05:42
pygina7e: what do you need?05:43
Kamping_Kaiserno :/05:43
caravenamhz: Hello ogra and mhz05:43
na7ehey, anyone here work on the edubuntu preseed and/or cd-repos?05:44
na7epygi,  :)05:44
pygiwhat do you mean by cd-repos?05:44
na7ethe repos on the cd05:45
na7ebecause i need some help customizing an installation cd, or rather just understanding it05:46
na7ethats what i thought :)05:47
pygiwell, it's the Main repository05:47
na7elunch time!  be back in a bit to annoy you all05:47
pygialtought not entire Main repo is on cd05:47
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na7eLaserJock is my hero so he'll help me with customizing the installtion CD or at least understanding it06:19
LaserJockinteresting06:19
na7eso, is that a yes? ;)06:20
LaserJockwell, sorry to lower you grand image of me but I have no idea how to customize the install CD06:20
na7ewell, do you at least understand the 'Release' file and how you change the Task?06:22
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ograna7e, have you read https://wiki.edubuntu.org/InstallCDCustomizationHowTo ?06:44
ogracaravena, hi06:44
LaserJockogra: have you gone through that wiki page ever?06:50
ogranope06:51
LaserJockI've had 3 or 4 people in -motu have problems with it. I  don't know how many succeed but I don't know enough to determine if it has a problem06:52
ograMithrandir must update it for dapper i guess06:55
ograi see no notes about squashfs06:55
ograoh, indeed06:55
ograsquashfs == liveCD, silly me06:56
jsgotangcoheh06:56
na7ethat wiki doesn't explain important concepts07:10
na7elike making your own tasks07:10
na7eor editing tasks07:10
na7ei spent a week trying and discovering ways not to make installation cds07:11
na7eogra, LaserJock 07:11
na7ebut i'd love to fix it if I could only figure out what was wrong, or write something up explaining the tasks and how they work with the installer and how the installer reads the Release files and determines the tasks07:12
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Burgworkogra, ping08:00
ograBurgwork, pong08:01
na7eogra, pinnnnnnnnnng08:01
na7eer, nvm08:01
Burgworkogra, the cookbook, where are you planning on keeping that? would the doc team svn make sense (we can get you access easily)08:01
Burgworkthe advantage of the doc team svn is that it will always be there, and our toolchain is well developed and maintained08:01
ogratheer is already a bzr archchive somewhere08:02
Burgworkthat was the issue I was thinking about 08:02
ograflint hosted it ...08:02
Burgwork"bzr archive somewhere"08:02
ograi'd also prefer to keep it in bzr, but thats really up to the authirs/maintainers, i'll only contribute and package ...08:02
ogra*authors08:03
ograwe have a cookbook meeting next monday 08:03
ograi'll bring that up 08:03
Burgworkxubuntu recently migrated their docs to our repo08:04
Burgworkplus you get the advantage of having the momentum that the doc team has built up08:04
Burgworkanyway, just a thought to get you guys going08:06
ograas i said, i'll bring it up in the meeting08:06
na7ewho setup the preseed and tasks on the edubuntu installer?08:07
na7einstall-cd that is08:07
ograthat happens in the files in the preseed dir 08:08
ogradunno what you mean with tasks08:08
na7eIn the Release file08:09
na7ein the repos on the cd08:09
na7ethe preseed uses tasks to install certain packages08:09
ograthats generated by the scripts from debian-cd 08:09
na7ei want to know how those work08:09
ogra(the Release file)08:09
na7efrom debian-cd?08:09
na7ewhere can i find this?08:10
na7eoh crap, in the repos08:10
na7eno one mentioned this before!08:10
ograi dont have much clue about it, i just use the server in the datacenter that creates the images according to the seeds ...08:11
ograbut all creation steps are donre with debian-cd08:11
ogra*done08:12
na7eok, what server in what datacenter?08:12
ograthe canonical datacenter 08:12
na7eis it accessible to me, or is it only for ubuntu developers?08:13
ogranope08:13
ograits only for employees08:13
na7eof ubuntu?08:13
na7eor what?08:13
ogracanonical08:13
na7eoh...ok...08:13
ograbut as i said, the builders are only wrappers around debian-cd08:13
ograyou should be able to build your own iso with it08:14
na7eok, i'll have to figure out a way to do this then...sigh...08:14
ograwhy dont you just modify the CD accordingly to the wiki ?08:14
na7ei tried that08:14
na7efor like a week08:14
ograi know its at least tested with breezy ... even if i didnt do it myself 08:14
na7ebut i can't troubleshoot it if i don't understand the process or how it works08:15
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na7eit's like shooting in the dark trying to hit a target and all i have is someone pointing "it's that way"08:15
ograthe release file is used like in any other debian archive ...08:15
ograread up about archives ...08:16
na7eon the debian archives?  where?  archives as in repos or archives as in docs or archives as in compressed files?08:16
ograthe preseed stuff requires some knowledge about debconf, read about that as well ..08:16
ograarchives as in repos08:16
na7eyeah, i read about that, but when building the release files the tasks are already assigned and I need to create a new task, which is what I don't understand how to do08:17
ogramoun an iso and look at it, there is a pool directory and dist directorys etc, as in every normal archive08:17
na7eyeah, I've seen it, i'll look into it i guess08:17
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na7ei worked with it alot08:17
ograi still dont understand what you mean with tasks ? 08:18
na7ei even tried manually editing the release files08:18
na7elook in the release file on the cd for main/binary-i38608:18
na7e'Release'08:18
na7eunder each entry is a 'task' which is used to determine if it is copied over during install and if it is installed08:19
na7eNotice in the preseed file there is an (optional) d-i entry for which tasks to copy08:19
neurogeekSeig heil!08:20
na7ethen later a base/package entry that determines what it installs08:20
na7eusing the task name08:21
na7eor names08:21
ograneurogeek, ??08:21
na7esupposedly you can add packages this way, but the amount of customization i want to do isn't possible with just adding packages08:21
neurogeekogra, nevermind.. bad joke on wrong channel.. sorry08:21
ograwhat do you want to customize ?08:23
na7eRemoving all unneccesary packages and adding ones geared towards computer forensics08:23
na7esortof like nubuntu, or kubuntu, or edubuntu08:23
na7echanging it all up08:23
na7eand there is no documentation on the installer, so I just want to find who controls this stage of the development process and pick their brains08:24
na7eby no documentation I mean that there isn't anything of enough detail to suit my needs08:25
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na7ebrb, gotta kick the students out of the building08:26
ograubuntu/edubuntu/kubuntu use the metapackages to intall the default packages08:29
ograin the preseed file you then have a pattern like:08:29
ograd-i     pkgsel/install-pattern  string ~t^edubuntu-standard$|~t^edubuntu-desktop$|~t^edubuntu-server$08:29
ograwhich installs -standard,-desktop and -server 08:30
ograand their dependencys indeed08:30
ograubuntu doesnt use "tasks" like debian does08:30
ograso you need a metapackage that installs your package selection, then you can thin out the cd repo to only have your packages and their dependencys08:31
na7ethe t stands for task08:34
na7eat least according to Kamion08:34
na7eand that has to do with the listing of the Task: in the Release files08:35
na7ebut maybe he's wrong08:35
na7emetapackages are easy to make, so...08:36
na7ebut it says in the customization wiki that the way to install an individual package is to use ~n^08:36
ograyou dont want to install a single additional package ... you want to change the whole CD 08:37
na7eyeah08:38
ograso in case of an edubuntu CD i'd keep the edubuntu-standard in the above line, create my own metapackage and replace edubuntu-desktop with it ... and drop -server08:39
ograthen adjust the repo accordingly, done ...08:39
ograyou find the preseed files in the preseed dir ... and the default selection in isolinux.cfg in the isolinux dir 08:40
na7eyeah, messed with those a bunch08:41
na7eogra, i love you, have my babies08:42
ogralol08:42
na7elol, was i saying release file before?  I meant packages file08:43
ograyeah, the packages file is created by apt-ftparchive ... 08:44
ograaccording to the content it finds in /pool08:44
na7ebut they include that Task entry at the bottom of most packages08:45
na7ewhich match up with the metapackages08:45
ograthats in the control file of each single package08:45
na7eugh, so I gotta change every single package?08:45
ograyou would have to rebuild the whole archive 08:45
ograthe tasks are not used as i said 08:46
na7ehrm, that's smelly08:46
ograits just a hint for the packaging system ...08:46
ograjust use a metapackage08:46
na7esee, now i wanna find out what the Task is for just for spite, to see what the heck it was doing08:46
ograits used by tools like tasksel or aptitude08:47
na7ecuz in kubuntu they all list kubuntu instead of ubuntu08:48
na7ein the task08:48
ograsure08:49
ograthey are dependencys of edubuntu-desktop ...08:49
ograerr 08:49
ograkubuntu indeed08:49
na7eso when i do the apt-ftparchive without the ubuntu-desktop metapackage they won't be associated with that task?08:49
ograapt-ftparchive will read the /pool dir, nothing else08:50
na7enot that it matters, but did the kubuntu people rebuild every package in the archive?08:50
ogranope08:50
na7eto change the control files?08:50
ograthe buildd assigns that entry according to dependencys08:50
ogra apt-cache show kalzium|grep Task08:52
ograits not CD related ...08:52
ograthere miht be magic to read the task entries in debain-cd to make the initial selection, but thats totally irrelevant if you modify an existing iso08:53
na7eok08:53
na7eso just a new metapackage really and i'll be kosher08:53
na7eand add the packages to the repos on the cd08:53
ograyou just do the same as if you'd build a personal repo08:53
ograand use your own metapackage, exactly ...08:54
na7eand use the ~t^ notation?08:54
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ograjust make sure to keep the -standard package from ubuntu, so you have a guarantee for a working base system08:54
na7eogra, indeed :)08:55
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LaserJockme meta package is cooler than yours ;p08:55
LaserJocks/me/my/08:55
na7enu-uh doody-head!08:55
na7eso...08:56
ograhave a look at the second script on the wikipage, that should help if its not buggy :)08:56
na7ewell, thanks for putting up with my nonsense ogra, i'm indebted to you.  i'm sure i'll mess something up and come whining, so talk to ya soon :)08:56
ograheh, have fun08:56
na7eogra, I did that second script twice and it didn't work both times, but I don't really wanna do it to just add some packages, i want to change it around a bunch08:57
ograyep08:57
na7eso the hard part begins 100t08:57
na7eerr, w00t08:57
na7eor whatever, i'm a nerd08:57
ogra:)08:58
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HedgeMagelol10:36
HedgeMagepygi: it would work, oddly enough.  I don't like ban immunity and keep it off unless dealing with a specific problem. :P10:37
pygiHedgeMage: well, it wouldn't work since I am no one here =P10:37
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pygiHedgeMage: any advancement in guitar? :)10:42
HedgeMagepygi: lol10:47
HedgeMagepygi: I've been working on it, and making some progrees... I have a feeling it'll start speeding up today.10:47
HedgeMageI got new glasses so I can finally see again10:48
pygiHedgeMage: great :)10:50
pygiI am still for that concert, you know :-P10:50
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HedgeMagepygi: I need to either get us on the same continent or get a toddler-proof microphone :P10:52
pygiHedgeMage: can be done, someday at least ;)10:53
HedgeMage:)10:54
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