| raphink | Tonio_: didn't you change the breaking glass already? I thought we'd done that 2 months ago or so | 12:39 |
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| Tonio_ | raphink: I though I did it, but aparently I forgot :) | 12:45 |
| raphink | hehe | 12:45 |
| Tonio_ | or there is a but in my implementation in k-d-s, that can happen too :) | 12:45 |
| raphink | iirc dapper doesn't have this sound by default anymore | 12:45 |
| Tonio_ | like amarok's theme which wasn't workinf | 12:46 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: let me look on a default profile | 12:47 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: nope I removed it ;) hehe | 12:48 |
| raphink | yes I know ;) | 12:48 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: already removed :) | 12:48 |
| raphink | I would have gone crazy if it was still there | 12:48 |
| raphink | so I know it's not here anymore | 12:48 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: I will also removed the sounds in konsole | 12:48 |
| Tonio_ | it is horribly stressing | 12:49 |
| raphink | yes indeed | 12:49 |
| raphink | far too loud too | 12:49 |
| jeroenvrp | I have installed kio-beagle, but it does not work (no beagle:/). Do I have to relogin? | 01:14 |
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| Tonio_ | jeroenvrp: restart kde :) | 01:18 |
| jeroenvrp | ah Tonio_ | 01:19 |
| jeroenvrp | thanks | 01:19 |
| jeroenvrp | not possible right know, because I'm encoding a videofile | 01:19 |
| jeroenvrp | but it is not me and that is good to know :-) | 01:19 |
| Tonio_ | jeroenvrp: also, we're waiting for a little modification in the beagle package in order it autostarts | 01:21 |
| Tonio_ | don't know if ti's done actually | 01:21 |
| jeroenvrp | you mean autostarting beagle? | 01:21 |
| Tonio_ | yes, in KDE | 01:21 |
| Tonio_ | jeroenvrp: just checked the package, and that should be good :) | 01:22 |
| jeroenvrp | mmm fot me it allreay does that | 01:22 |
| Tonio_ | so just reload kde, and that'll work | 01:22 |
| jeroenvrp | I only dont autostart kerry yet | 01:22 |
| jeroenvrp | another thing I noticed with kerry, that it wants top open mp3/ogg in Audacity :-) | 01:22 |
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| robotgeek | freeflying: done with the docs. might have one more update, but done | 06:03 |
| freeflying | robotgeek: nice | 06:03 |
| robotgeek | i will go and learn some pyqt | 06:03 |
| === freeflying and ubuntu-cn team begain translate | ||
| robotgeek | freeflying: not uploaded yet, we also have "string exception :)" | 06:05 |
| freeflying | robotgeek: can we co from svn now | 06:06 |
| robotgeek | freeflying: checkout? | 06:06 |
| freeflying | robotgeek: y | 06:06 |
| robotgeek | freeflying: well, i guess all the initial chapters are done, but one more day and i can assure you that nothin will change :) | 06:07 |
| freeflying | robotgeek: okey | 06:07 |
| robotgeek | freeflying: will ping you when uploaded to rosetta | 06:08 |
| freeflying | robotgeek: then we can translate them on LP ? | 06:08 |
| robotgeek | freeflying: i guess so | 06:08 |
| freeflying | robotgeek: great | 06:08 |
| robotgeek | i am happy that we have lot of time for translation this time | 06:09 |
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| freeflying | robotgeek: ya, nearly two half and one month | 06:10 |
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| MrFaber | hi all | 10:39 |
| MrFaber | I have a question according some dependencies. I need for KeepassX 2 parts of qt4 lib. I can install core and gui core but if I try to install dev or compatibility lib it breaks because of amarok. If Install all need parts with apt-get it removes amarok. Can this be fixed? | 10:40 |
| MrFaber | It seems only a problem of amarok | 10:40 |
| MrFaber | Oh, I am useing dapper like you can guess :) | 10:41 |
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| seaLne | MrFaber: yeah i just noticed that with amarok this morning | 11:06 |
| mornfall | application/octet-stream dupe count: 6 | 11:50 |
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| Riddell | seaLne: which version of amarok? | 12:01 |
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| Riddell | hello doelman | 12:02 |
| doelman | hello Riddell ;0 | 12:02 |
| doelman | how're u | 12:03 |
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| seaLne | Riddell: i had amarok-14beta2 and koffice-15rc1 which it removed | 12:04 |
| Tm_T | anyone here using Kopete 0.12 series?! | 12:04 |
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| Flosoft | hey | 12:07 |
| Flosoft | there is an error with the requirements of amarok since an update of yesterday | 12:07 |
| doelman | i use Tm-T | 12:07 |
| doelman | do you've problems with the jabber xml too? | 12:07 |
| Tm_T | doelman: please restart it from konsole | 12:08 |
| doelman | i dit Tm_T | 12:08 |
| doelman | did* | 12:08 |
| Tm_T | doelman: did it say anything like this? http://kopete.pastebin.com/645760 | 12:09 |
| doelman | not exactly like that | 12:09 |
| Tm_T | but similar ? | 12:09 |
| doelman | but i get a very lot of jabber messages | 12:09 |
| doelman | yes | 12:09 |
| doelman | simular | 12:09 |
| Tm_T | doelman: many errors, including msn plugin? | 12:10 |
| doelman | yes | 12:10 |
| Tm_T | ...did you use msn before? | 12:10 |
| doelman | yes | 12:10 |
| doelman | always | 12:10 |
| Tm_T | oh well, try to use now =) | 12:10 |
| doelman | whay do you mean? | 12:10 |
| Tm_T | you'll see | 12:11 |
| doelman | i did not use msn in this session, sorry i misunderstood | 12:11 |
| Tm_T | doelman: I mean did you use it ever | 12:11 |
| jeroenvrp | mmm :No theme index file in '/usr/share/icons/default'. | 12:11 |
| Flosoft | http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/645774 | 12:11 |
| Flosoft | that is what I get when I try to install amarok again | 12:11 |
| doelman | yeah i did Tm_T | 12:11 |
| Tm_T | doelman: can you still use it? | 12:11 |
| doelman | yeah | 12:11 |
| jeroenvrp | while updating ubuntu-artwork | 12:11 |
| Tm_T | doelman: ...whoa, lucky you =) | 12:11 |
| doelman | huh why | 12:12 |
| doelman | i use 0.11.93 (0.12 Beta 2) | 12:12 |
| Tm_T | doelman: I can't | 12:12 |
| Tm_T | not with beta2 or current svn | 12:12 |
| doelman | oow weird | 12:12 |
| Tm_T | doelman: and I'm not alone | 12:12 |
| doelman | i will test it now, with my win2000 laptop, i'm going to test if the messages are deliver | 12:12 |
| jeroenvrp | If you really want to create an icon cache here, use --ignore-theme-index. | 12:12 |
| jeroenvrp | ???? | 12:12 |
| jeroenvrp | where? | 12:12 |
| Tm_T | jeroenvrp: hmm, ignore | 12:13 |
| Tm_T | doelman: thanks | 12:13 |
| jeroenvrp | Tm_T: yes ignore, but it stays there with every update | 12:13 |
| Tm_T | doelman: here it doesn't even load msn plugin | 12:13 |
| doelman | oow, i can sign on | 12:13 |
| Tm_T | jeroenvrp: it disappeared today morning here | 12:13 |
| doelman | and i can chat too Tm_T | 12:13 |
| Tm_T | doelman: damned you! | 12:13 |
| Tm_T | =) | 12:14 |
| Tm_T | thanks | 12:14 |
| doelman | haha | 12:14 |
| jeroenvrp | Tm_T: strange, I just updated | 12:14 |
| doelman | but i've not the newest version maybe? | 12:14 |
| jeroenvrp | Tm_T: which repo are you using? | 12:14 |
| Tm_T | main | 12:14 |
| doelman | Tm_T do you think there's a change in the msn protocol or what? | 12:15 |
| Tm_T | doelman: well, problem is, there's not | 12:16 |
| Tm_T | not even in the code | 12:16 |
| Tm_T | of kopete | 12:16 |
| doelman | how's that possible | 12:16 |
| doelman | you're not the only one? | 12:16 |
| Tm_T | nope | 12:16 |
| doelman | what kind of errors you get? | 12:16 |
| Tm_T | well, http://kopete.pastebin.com/645780 | 12:17 |
| Tm_T | simply fails to load msn plugin | 12:17 |
| Tm_T | and that's somewhat weird | 12:17 |
| doelman | and the stable kopete? | 12:17 |
| doelman | does that work | 12:17 |
| seaLne | Riddell: as a result it also uninstalled kubuntu-desktop | 12:17 |
| Tm_T | haven't tried yet | 12:17 |
| Tm_T | doelman: problem is, I should know what's wrong =) | 12:17 |
| doelman | you should? | 12:19 |
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| Tm_T | yeah | 12:20 |
| Tm_T | testing if that latest commit to avdevice is causing problem | 12:20 |
| Tm_T | BINGO! | 12:21 |
| Tm_T | problem solved, thanks | 12:22 |
| doelman | how | 12:22 |
| Tm_T | it's all because of latest commit in libkopete/avdevice | 12:23 |
| doelman | hmm ok | 12:23 |
| Tm_T | webcam stuff, just break everything related =) | 12:23 |
| Tm_T | and it was meant to fix... | 12:23 |
| doelman | lol ok | 12:24 |
| mornfall | b0rk b0rk | 12:27 |
| mornfall | is it possible that i am hungry? :) | 12:27 |
| Tm_T | it is | 12:27 |
| mornfall | damn | 12:27 |
| mornfall | that blows :) | 12:27 |
| Tm_T | sucks too, and in overall it's called "breathing" | 12:28 |
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| Flosoft | anyone here who could help me? | 12:32 |
| Flosoft | there is an error with the requirements of amarok since an update of yesterday | 12:33 |
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| Flosoft | http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/645774 | 12:37 |
| Flosoft | that is what I get when I try to install amarok again | 12:37 |
| Riddell | see /topic | 12:38 |
| Flosoft | is amarok in a third party repo? | 12:38 |
| Flosoft | ah i c ... the beta doesn't work anymore | 12:40 |
| Flosoft | thx Riddell | 12:40 |
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| jjesse | /join #ubuntu-devel | 02:26 |
| jjesse | d'oh | 02:28 |
| OculusAquilae | :) | 02:32 |
| Riddell | AWAY: could you fix your away script to not print random blank lines and not use a generic nickname | 02:33 |
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| freeflying | robotgeek: ping | 02:48 |
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| kwwii | re | 03:06 |
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| Hobbsee | what controls the default settings on for amarok? | 03:30 |
| Hobbsee | it'd make sense for amarok to be equalised to laptops, if the machine really is a laptop | 03:30 |
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| Riddell | Hobbsee: equalised? | 03:33 |
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| Hobbsee | Riddell: with the equaliser. | 03:34 |
| Riddell | with the laptop profile | 03:35 |
| Riddell | what's the rationale behind that? | 03:35 |
| Hobbsee | because with the little laptop speakers, the default equaliser setting (read flat, none) doesnt sound very good - sounds all static-ey | 03:36 |
| Hobbsee | yet it sounds much, much better with the laptop/headphones preset | 03:37 |
| Hobbsee | then again, one could plug speakers in, and have to change it from there, i guess | 03:37 |
| Riddell | yeah, we can't really do anything by default since there's no way to tell if it's a laptop and e.g. my laptop has good speakers plugged into it | 03:37 |
| Hobbsee | ah ok | 03:37 |
| === Hobbsee was just surprised at how bad it suddenly sounded :P | ||
| Hobbsee | that's when i booted to the old kernel, to get sound back! | 03:38 |
| Hobbsee | wow! it's almost midnight already! i just had dinner! | 03:38 |
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| Riddell | hmm, would people complain if we set kate to 4 spaces as default indent I wonder | 03:54 |
| Hobbsee | what's it at now? | 03:56 |
| Hobbsee | hmm...i'm getting told that kubuntu has no direction | 03:56 |
| === Hobbsee mutters and whiners who do nothing! | ||
| Hobbsee | *at whiners | 03:56 |
| Riddell | who's saying that? do they have any suggestions for better direction? | 03:56 |
| Riddell | direction is best KDE distribution | 03:57 |
| Hobbsee | just someone in IRC | 03:57 |
| Hobbsee | "poor designs and decisioning" is the specified reasoning | 03:59 |
| Hobbsee | *complaint | 03:59 |
| mornfall | Hobbsee? | 03:59 |
| mornfall | :-) | 03:59 |
| mornfall | Hobbsee: wrong channel (#kubuntu) | 03:59 |
| mornfall | Hobbsee: intetion was to ask here :) | 04:00 |
| mornfall | intention | 04:00 |
| Hobbsee | I will try, Hobbsee.. my primary gripe is that they tend to deviate too far from the KDE standard | 04:00 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 04:00 |
| mornfall | well, whiners | 04:00 |
| mornfall | <-- whiner :] | 04:00 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 04:00 |
| Hobbsee | mornfall: but then you actually do something about it! | 04:01 |
| === Hobbsee glares at the forums | ||
| Hobbsee | what do you mean, telling me that my wireless card doesnt work? | 04:01 |
| mornfall | umm, forums | 04:01 |
| Hobbsee | it sure as heck works - i'm chatting with it! | 04:01 |
| mornfall | heh | 04:01 |
| mornfall | well | 04:01 |
| mornfall | you can't know | 04:01 |
| mornfall | random forum poster knows a lot more about your machine than you do | 04:01 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: tell them that's not very useful as all our changes from KDE defaults have a rationale, specific problems are needed | 04:01 |
| mornfall | for sure | 04:01 |
| mornfall | Riddell: is the rounded selection in konq/iconview deviation? | 04:02 |
| Riddell | mornfall: it is, and despite its non-antialiased look I still think its nicer than the default | 04:02 |
| Riddell | I think debian also includes that patch now | 04:02 |
| mornfall | Riddell: it's also mis-aligned... looks awful on my lcd | 04:02 |
| Hobbsee | mornfall: hehe, scary | 04:03 |
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| mornfall | black selection on white background -- aliasing is very visible too | 04:03 |
| Hobbsee | you've got me kind of wondering what the default kde stuff actually looks like now... | 04:03 |
| mornfall | not to mention it doesn't fit my style at all... is it at least optional? :)) | 04:03 |
| mornfall | (hidden kconfig option? anything?) | 04:04 |
| Hobbsee | complaint about kcontrol as well...yep | 04:04 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: square blue box for icon selection text | 04:04 |
| Hobbsee | nah, i was meaning all of kde, not just that | 04:04 |
| mornfall | well | 04:04 |
| mornfall | i use debian sid version of kde right now -- and it has the same damn rounding patch | 04:05 |
| mornfall | it so drives me nuts i end up recompiling soon | 04:05 |
| mornfall | if it can't be turned off easily | 04:05 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: remove kubuntu-default-settings to get back to almost all the defaults | 04:06 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: http://pastebin.com/646062 is the chatlog | 04:06 |
| Hobbsee | ah ok | 04:06 |
| Riddell | mornfall: I'm pretty sure it can't be turned off without recompiling, which is a shame. probably not too hard to alter it to change that though | 04:08 |
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| mornfall | Hobbsee: tell kkathman wherever he is, that abolishing apt-get would for now also mean abolishing both synaptic and adept | 04:13 |
| mornfall | Hobbsee: since neither of them currently supports the aptitude features not in apt-get | 04:13 |
| Hobbsee | that's what i thought the case was | 04:14 |
| Hobbsee | mind you, he is an advocate of rpm's, so i'm taking all the packaging comments with a pinch of salt lol | 04:14 |
| mornfall | well | 04:14 |
| mornfall | rpm | 04:14 |
| neoncode | Hobbsee: Pinch of salt? | 04:14 |
| mornfall | it's not like it wasn't superior to dpkg in at least some aspects :) | 04:14 |
| Hobbsee | neoncode: you dont have that expression where you are? | 04:15 |
| neoncode | Hobbsee: It seems familiar. But I don't get out much. | 04:15 |
| Hobbsee | means that i'm a little wary of taking it seriously - knowing that there is bias | 04:15 |
| neoncode | Hobbsee: Ah, makes sence. | 04:16 |
| mornfall | Hobbsee: how there could not be bias? | 04:16 |
| Hobbsee | true | 04:16 |
| mornfall | especially in things like package management | 04:16 |
| mornfall | where noone actually *knows* the differences | 04:16 |
| mornfall | i both maintain adept and work for redhat and still only know little about rpm/dpkg pros and cons | 04:17 |
| === neoncode doesn't know much. But I tryed red hat 8 once. the RPM's were a nightmare... But that's my expreiance. | ||
| mornfall | neoncode: umm | 04:17 |
| mornfall | neoncode: try dpkg someday | 04:17 |
| mornfall | neoncode: without frontend | 04:17 |
| mornfall | neoncode: it won't be any different, now | 04:18 |
| mornfall | neoncode: so stop comparing apples to banana juice :) | 04:18 |
| neoncode | mornfall: I bearly know what dpkg is. as I said. I don't know much. | 04:18 |
| mornfall | so :) | 04:18 |
| neoncode | mornfall: so? | 04:19 |
| mornfall | neoncode: what? | 04:19 |
| neoncode | mornfall: oh sorry I thought you were asking a question. | 04:20 |
| mornfall | you don't want me to ask questions :) | 04:20 |
| Hobbsee | oh i'm sure we can find you good questions to ask... | 04:20 |
| Hobbsee | like "how's adept going?" :P | 04:21 |
| mornfall | Hobbsee: ... | 04:21 |
| mornfall | i may also start asking about that dead body | 04:21 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 04:21 |
| mornfall | and i'm sure you'd rather not answer | 04:21 |
| mornfall | so | 04:22 |
| Hobbsee | that dead body was the one i threw off the front balcony, and is being left to decompose. what makes you ask? | 04:22 |
| mornfall | it's not so much fun when you play along :P | 04:22 |
| mornfall | lalala | 04:23 |
| mornfall | oh my goodness | 04:25 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 04:26 |
| === Hobbsee defenestrates mornfall unexpectedly | ||
| === mornfall floats in the pool below Hobbsee's window | ||
| Hobbsee | and crashes through the ice, yes | 04:30 |
| neoncode | Nice to know that developer relations are in such a good state. | 04:33 |
| Hobbsee | :P | 04:34 |
| Hobbsee | of course they are :P | 04:35 |
| === mornfall hugs Hobbsee | ||
| mornfall | neoncode: see? :) | 04:38 |
| neoncode | lol | 04:38 |
| === Hobbsee hugs mornfall in return :) | ||
| mornfall | i can't tell i love her or someone'd get jealous, eventually | 04:38 |
| === Hobbsee nibbles on mornfall's fingers, in the process | ||
| neoncode | Share the developer love! | 04:38 |
| Hobbsee | yes, it's probably not a good idea to say things like that, mornfall lol | 04:38 |
| mornfall | Hobbsee :) | 04:38 |
| === Hobbsee is very wary of people hitting on her - whether serious or not! | ||
| === mornfall hits Hobbsee with a dartgun | ||
| === neoncode promises not to hit on Hobbsee | ||
| Hobbsee | hehe | 04:39 |
| mornfall | neoncode: dangerous promises | 04:39 |
| === mornfall is (un?)fortunately taken, otherwise would be tempted :)) | ||
| neoncode | i'm sure Hobbsee Would kill me if I did anything anyway. | 04:40 |
| Hobbsee | lol | 04:40 |
| Hobbsee | something like that, yes | 04:41 |
| neoncode | and w00t! my kororaa 0.2 Live CD ISO image downloaed | 04:41 |
| Hobbsee | you know, i was asked today if i taught the first year computing course | 04:41 |
| kmon | mornfall: adept rocks, but I would like to know if there's a way of looking for packages configuration files left over and orphans like synaptics has.... | 04:41 |
| Hobbsee | and was told that i was explaining things better than the lecturer was | 04:41 |
| Hobbsee | scary... | 04:41 |
| mornfall | kmon: i don't know of any | 04:41 |
| kmon | mornfall: ok, thanxs | 04:41 |
| mornfall | kmon: it's easily done in code | 04:41 |
| mornfall | kmon: but no way in UI | 04:41 |
| kmon | mornfall: please consider that in dapper+1 ;) | 04:42 |
| mornfall | kmon: probably need a bunch more of filters and add a menu :) | 04:42 |
| kmon | if ubuntu doesn't change package management to smart package management.... | 04:42 |
| kmon | which I think is planned | 04:43 |
| mornfall | kmon: could you file a wishlist maybe? | 04:43 |
| === mornfall is very forgetful | ||
| mornfall | ah, that too | 04:43 |
| neoncode | kmon: It is? | 04:43 |
| mornfall | well, it'll be in debian | 04:43 |
| kmon | I remember reading that somewhere | 04:43 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 04:43 |
| Hobbsee | did you ever do what i emailed you about, mornfall? | 04:43 |
| kmon | and the fact that cannonical has hired spm developer.... makes it quite possible | 04:43 |
| Riddell | spm developer? | 04:44 |
| neoncode | spm? | 04:44 |
| kmon | smart package manager | 04:44 |
| kmon | management | 04:44 |
| kmon | or what ever | 04:44 |
| Riddell | oh, yes | 04:44 |
| neoncode | What *is* smart package management? | 04:45 |
| mornfall | Hobbsee: not yet :'( | 04:45 |
| Hobbsee | ok, is it at the "thinking about, but not yet implemented" stage, or the "totally forgotten about" stage? | 04:46 |
| mornfall | Hobbsee: but, well, if you only want dpkg output that's not hard :) | 04:46 |
| kmon | neoncode: http://labix.org/smart | 04:46 |
| mornfall | Hobbsee: view->last dpkg run->show details | 04:46 |
| Hobbsee | mornfall: seen the adept updater? | 04:46 |
| mornfall | umm | 04:46 |
| mornfall | updater | 04:46 |
| Hobbsee | er... | 04:46 |
| mornfall | i knew i forgot about something | 04:46 |
| Hobbsee | ubuntu updater | 04:46 |
| mornfall | well, i know the output is not optimal | 04:46 |
| Hobbsee | i meant the updater in ubuntu - how it has a "more" section, which shows what is outputed into the console... | 04:46 |
| mornfall | but changing this has no chance for dapper either way | 04:46 |
| Hobbsee | yeah, i figured | 04:47 |
| === neoncode wants to get involved in codeing, but knows ziltch about programing, where should I start? | ||
| Hobbsee | cool for dapper +1 though | 04:47 |
| mornfall | Hobbsee: hmm, updater has that... it just goes away automagically when finished | 04:47 |
| Hobbsee | ah ok | 04:47 |
| mornfall | Hobbsee: so you can't get the output copied easily | 04:47 |
| mornfall | hmm | 04:47 |
| mornfall | hmm hmm | 04:47 |
| Hobbsee | i was more thinking for the main adept window though | 04:47 |
| Hobbsee | neoncode: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Packaging/Kubuntu currently | 04:47 |
| mornfall | Hobbsee: hmm? | 04:47 |
| mornfall | Hobbsee: one sec | 04:48 |
| Hobbsee | neoncode: http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html is being updated, but is probably more consice | 04:48 |
| Hobbsee | s/concise | 04:48 |
| Hobbsee | mornfall: i dont know - but the case in point is where a user tries to install something, it says it's going to break packages, yet it doesnt show what will be added/removed in teh process | 04:49 |
| Hobbsee | simply, anyway, and in a pastebinable form | 04:49 |
| Hobbsee | pastebinable - nice new verb :P | 04:49 |
| mornfall | Hobbsee: well, if it says BREAK, it won't do anything -- because it refuses to break system | 04:49 |
| mornfall | Hobbsee: just like apt-get | 04:49 |
| Hobbsee | well that's what i thought | 04:49 |
| Hobbsee | it cant upgrade the pacakges that wont break? | 04:50 |
| === Hobbsee just finds it confusing, with which will break, and which is ok | ||
| neoncode | Does dapper work with wireless? | 04:50 |
| mornfall | Hobbsee: it does what apt-get does, roughly | 04:51 |
| mornfall | Hobbsee: tries a bit harder to not break | 04:51 |
| Hobbsee | neoncode: yeah it does. | 04:51 |
| mornfall | Hobbsee: http://lorien.mornfall.net:8012/m/adept-konsole.png <-- is this what you mean? | 04:51 |
| mornfall | i wish konsolepart was less stupid sometimes | 04:51 |
| Hobbsee | that'd be good...but a little earlier in the installing would be good | 04:52 |
| Hobbsee | what it's adding, what it's removing, which new packages are installed | 04:52 |
| mornfall | yes, a log of activity | 04:52 |
| Hobbsee | seeing as it doesnt seem to really distinguish between new packages installed, and packages removed | 04:52 |
| mornfall | well, dapper+1 | 04:52 |
| Hobbsee | yeah, that sounds right | 04:52 |
| Hobbsee | definetly | 04:52 |
| mornfall | in case adept will be at all in dapper + 1 | 04:52 |
| === Hobbsee will poke and prod until it happens hehe! | ||
| Hobbsee | mind you, we were told that months ago for knetworkmanager, and look where we're at now... | 04:53 |
| Hobbsee | :P | 04:53 |
| mornfall | hmm? | 04:53 |
| mornfall | knetworkmanager, that things works at all? :P | 04:53 |
| Hobbsee | sure it does | 04:53 |
| === Hobbsee uses it | ||
| === mornfall uses iwconfig | ||
| kmon | mornfall: I'm using knetwork manager :) | 04:54 |
| === Hobbsee chats from a comfy lounge chair in teh library at uni, with it | ||
| mornfall | but i could be just weird | 04:54 |
| kmon | with wpa and bcm43xx | 04:54 |
| === mornfall has ipw2200 | ||
| Hobbsee | wouldnt behave much with console tools - didnt once, did the next time, then the third knm got it configured perfectly without a problem, so i didnt need them | 04:54 |
| === Hobbsee has a wg511 v2 made in china with ndiswrapper | ||
| mornfall | ouch | 04:55 |
| mornfall | that's evil :| | 04:55 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 04:55 |
| mornfall | ipw2200++ | 04:55 |
| mornfall | wondering if it turns into ipw2201 now | 04:55 |
| Hobbsee | well, i know how to make it work perfectly now - and only need the net access to get ndiswrapper | 04:55 |
| jjesse | where do i find knetworkmanager? is it installed by default with the lastest updates/ | 04:55 |
| Hobbsee | jjesse: run it from a konsole | 04:55 |
| Riddell | jjesse: it's still in universe | 04:55 |
| Hobbsee | oh, that...yeah | 04:55 |
| mornfall | kon-kon-kon-kon... what? :) | 04:56 |
| === mornfall gives everyone around minicli | ||
| Hobbsee | hehe | 04:56 |
| Hobbsee | minicli hey? not heard of that one | 04:56 |
| kmon | mornfall: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125124 | 04:56 |
| mornfall | hah | 04:56 |
| Ubugtu | KDE bug 125124 in general "orphan and left over configuration" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed] | 04:56 |
| mornfall | i don't believe you :) | 04:57 |
| kmon | my whishlist | 04:57 |
| kmon | another thing kubuntu doesn't have in adept but ubuntu has is the notification of a necessary reboot on kernel upgrade.... is that correct? | 04:57 |
| mornfall | kmon: thx | 04:57 |
| mornfall | no idea | 04:58 |
| kmon | kde bug tracker is a pain.... I prefere malone :) | 04:58 |
| mornfall | if it is in debconf as it should, then it should work | 04:58 |
| mornfall | kmon: malone is pain | 04:58 |
| mornfall | kmon: at least for developers | 04:58 |
| kmon | xD | 04:58 |
| kmon | It's very easy for me to file a bug in malone | 04:58 |
| mornfall | it doesn't even get you package version from user if he doesn't recall | 04:58 |
| kmon | in kde bug tracker is a very long process.... | 04:58 |
| mornfall | maybe :) | 04:59 |
| Hobbsee | mornfall: it's not so bad when you subscribe to an entire package, and bugs | 04:59 |
| mornfall | but i hate malone with passion | 04:59 |
| Hobbsee | you see a lot of the duplicates that way :P | 04:59 |
| jjesse | Riddell: the about-kubuntu guide and desktopguide are ready for .pots to be uploaded | 04:59 |
| mornfall | Hobbsee: i am | 04:59 |
| kmon | it remembers me the typical windows assistants... which many people hate | 04:59 |
| Hobbsee | ah ok | 04:59 |
| kmon | with lots of, fill this and click continue, ... repeat | 04:59 |
| mornfall | Hobbsee: and the net result is that i get 2 mails about every dupe i don't want to see :p | 04:59 |
| Hobbsee | lol very true | 04:59 |
| Hobbsee | filters | 05:00 |
| mornfall | there were so far 6 dupes of application/octet-stream bug | 05:00 |
| mornfall | i am thinking that maybe patching users would be best :)) | 05:01 |
| mornfall | they are sorta buggy | 05:01 |
| mornfall | only reporting bugs that i already know | 05:01 |
| Hobbsee | lol | 05:01 |
| mornfall | and not reporting those i don't :) | 05:01 |
| Hobbsee | hehe!!!!! | 05:01 |
| === Hobbsee just got that | ||
| mornfall | what? | 05:02 |
| mornfall | :) | 05:02 |
| Hobbsee | when you get a #kubuntu.patch, and a whingers.patch, let me know :P | 05:02 |
| Riddell | jjesse: oh, cool. I wonder how I do that | 05:02 |
| mornfall | Hobbsee: i need to run cluebatize in the source tree first | 05:02 |
| jjesse | Riddell: don't know but mdke told me to ping you on that :) | 05:02 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 05:02 |
| === Hobbsee is now glad that she's not drinking anything while reading! | ||
| Riddell | jjesse: ok, I'll look into it | 05:03 |
| jjesse | Riddell: would love to help if possible | 05:03 |
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| Riddell | jjesse: it'll just need them generated in the kubuntu-docs package | 05:06 |
| jjesse | question on knetworkmanager should it turn on/off the wireless/bluetooth LED when I disable/enable wireless? | 05:10 |
| jjesse | that's on my laptop (Latitude d810) | 05:10 |
| Hobbsee | ah... | 05:10 |
| Hobbsee | that's a good question... | 05:11 |
| === Hobbsee cant remember what happens on her laptop | ||
| Riddell | jjesse: I would expect that to be hardwired into the hardware | 05:11 |
| Riddell | but I could be wrong | 05:11 |
| Hobbsee | do i want to try it? | 05:13 |
| Hobbsee | no i dont...i'm sure i dont... | 05:13 |
| Hobbsee | mornfall: while i think of it, what country do you live in? | 05:14 |
| jjesse | wireless lan manager does | 05:14 |
| mornfall | Hobbsee: why? :) | 05:14 |
| mornfall | Hobbsee: (and you?) | 05:14 |
| Hobbsee | just curious, that's all | 05:14 |
| mornfall | Hobbsee: czech republic here | 05:14 |
| Hobbsee | wow! cool! | 05:15 |
| === Hobbsee is envious | ||
| mornfall | O.o | 05:15 |
| mornfall | hmm? :) | 05:15 |
| Hobbsee | sydney, australia here | 05:15 |
| mornfall | i so suspected australia | 05:15 |
| mornfall | but i don't know why... | 05:15 |
| Hobbsee | czech is such a beautiful language...i'd love to be able to speak it | 05:15 |
| mornfall | maybe the timezone thing :) | 05:15 |
| Hobbsee | a /whois, perhaps? | 05:15 |
| mornfall | Hobbsee: pro? :) | 05:15 |
| Hobbsee | eyah, probably | 05:15 |
| === Hobbsee only speaks english, and a little german. | ||
| kmon | suse has released kerry 1.0 | 05:15 |
| mornfall | at least, it efficiently kills of any danger of romantic problems... and also problems with my eventual dead body :] | 05:16 |
| Riddell | 0.1 :) | 05:16 |
| kmon | mmmm | 05:16 |
| kmon | yep | 05:16 |
| kmon | hehe | 05:16 |
| mornfall | off | 05:16 |
| Hobbsee | haha | 05:17 |
| freeflying | Riddell: your blog url ? | 05:18 |
| neoncode | wow... I got dapper running on a machene and with no configuration I was able to get it to my windows laptops' shared folders.. nice... | 05:18 |
| Hobbsee | freeflying: which one...hehe | 05:18 |
| mornfall | Hobbsee: why do you think czech is beautiful? | 05:18 |
| mornfall | (i am not opposing, just curious) | 05:18 |
| Hobbsee | mornfall: i dont know - i've heard it spoken by customers at work a few times... | 05:18 |
| freeflying | Hobbsee: he has lots ? :) | 05:19 |
| mornfall | Hobbsee: work? :) | 05:19 |
| Hobbsee | freeflying: more than one, yes | 05:19 |
| Hobbsee | mornfall: i work at a supermarket | 05:19 |
| Riddell | freeflying: somewhere on kdedevelopers.org, it's listed on planet.kde.org | 05:19 |
| mornfall | oh | 05:19 |
| mornfall | Hobbsee: i have a cousin in australia :) (czech, but married there) | 05:19 |
| mornfall | umm, actually not cousin | 05:20 |
| mornfall | relative :) | 05:20 |
| === Hobbsee hears people speak in foreign languages, on mobile phones, not speaking at all, instead, making out, etc | ||
| Hobbsee | hehe fair enough | 05:20 |
| mornfall | i wouldn't want to work at supermarket though | 05:20 |
| === neoncode is eating pizza. | ||
| freeflying | Riddell: I prepare add all kubuntu developer's blog to our planet :) | 05:20 |
| === Hobbsee doesnt really mind, as long as they either a) understand what they're doing, or b) actually speak english, so i can tell them what to do | ||
| mornfall | i am not too good in interacting with live people | 05:21 |
| Hobbsee | yes, of course | 05:21 |
| === Hobbsee is dead, after all :P | ||
| mornfall | vamp? :)) | 05:21 |
| Riddell | freeflying: where's that? | 05:21 |
| Hobbsee | about to come and suck your blood, yes :P | 05:21 |
| freeflying | Riddell: planet.ubuntu.org.cn | 05:21 |
| mornfall | i don't have blood that'd be of some use | 05:21 |
| mornfall | unless you want to kill some weed | 05:22 |
| Hobbsee | neoncode: yay! | 05:22 |
| Hobbsee | urgh, no thanks | 05:22 |
| mornfall | :)) | 05:22 |
| neoncode | Hobbsee: =) | 05:22 |
| mornfall | welll | 05:23 |
| mornfall | i should go home | 05:23 |
| mornfall | it's half past five | 05:23 |
| Riddell | solidot.org woo, chinese slashdot :) | 05:23 |
| Hobbsee | 01.35 sat here... | 05:23 |
| Hobbsee | nice! | 05:23 |
| mornfall | sat like in satisfiability? the np-complete problem? :) | 05:24 |
| mornfall | (or no) | 05:24 |
| Hobbsee | sat like saturday... | 05:24 |
| mornfall | you are in library on 1:35am? | 05:24 |
| Hobbsee | no | 05:24 |
| Hobbsee | i'm at home now | 05:24 |
| mornfall | i must have missed something | 05:24 |
| Hobbsee | i was in the library a few days ago, killing time | 05:24 |
| mornfall | ah | 05:24 |
| Hobbsee | but i was coding earlier here, yeah | 05:25 |
| mornfall | the latest i was in a public library was like 10pm | 05:25 |
| mornfall | it was obviously closed at the time too :)) | 05:25 |
| mornfall | hmm hmm | 05:26 |
| mornfall | i shouldn't be so lazy | 05:26 |
| mornfall | goodnight Hobbsee | 05:26 |
| mornfall | --> home | 05:26 |
| Hobbsee | night mornfall | 05:26 |
| Hobbsee | computer labs are supposed to close at 1am or something | 05:26 |
| mornfall | (well, it's afternoon here :) | 05:26 |
| jeroenvrp | hi folks | 05:27 |
| jeroenvrp | I have a beagle tip for you all | 05:28 |
| jeroenvrp | exclude any incoming P2P directories | 05:28 |
| jeroenvrp | I have mldonkey and beagled was just hanging and consumed 90% op my cpu | 05:28 |
| jeroenvrp | I did a tail -f on the log and it was complaining about a tmp-file in the incomoing dir | 05:29 |
| jeroenvrp | excluded it and the cpu dropped right away to 5% | 05:29 |
| jeroenvrp | just to let you know :-) | 05:29 |
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| Hobbsee | night all... | 05:34 |
| === Hobbsee scratches her head | ||
| Hobbsee | i'm sure i tried that p/w for that email account! | 05:36 |
| Hobbsee | must not have. oh well | 05:37 |
| robotgeek | freeflying: pong | 05:48 |
| freeflying | robotgeek: why the release name still breezy in kubuntu-docs ( on LP ) | 05:55 |
| robotgeek | freeflying: maybe it has not been uploaded to rosetta yet, moment | 05:55 |
| Riddell | it hasn't | 05:56 |
| Riddell | freeflying: where? | 05:56 |
| freeflying | robotgeek: it's 6.06-1 on LP | 05:57 |
| robotgeek | Riddell: if you did something with the kubuntu-docs, i need you to redo it | 05:57 |
| freeflying | Riddell: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/kubuntu-docs/+pots/about-kubuntu/zh_CN/+translate | 05:57 |
| Riddell | robotgeek: I did nothing, see mdke's post just now to mailing list though | 05:58 |
| Riddell | freeflying: yeah, wait until mdke uploads, should be soon | 05:58 |
| freeflying | Riddell: okey | 05:58 |
| === freeflying sleep time , nites all | ||
| robotgeek | Riddell: nice. i think i'll reduce my mail checking interval | 05:59 |
| robotgeek | later freeflying | 05:59 |
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| toma | evening | 06:23 |
| LaserJock | Riddell: sorry to bug you, how soon do you think you would have a kubuntu-docs package ready? | 06:25 |
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| Riddell | LaserJock: see #ubuntu-devel | 06:26 |
| LaserJock | Riddell: k, hmm, I was going to try to add doc-base files to the kubuntu-docs package before you did | 06:27 |
| Riddell | LaserJock: what's that? | 06:28 |
| LaserJock | you can register HTML docs with doc-base and then the Debian documentation viewers, dwww and doc-central can view them | 06:29 |
| LaserJock | it is DE neutral | 06:29 |
| LaserJock | I added the ubuntu-docs already | 06:29 |
| Riddell | LaserJock: sure, go ahead | 06:30 |
| LaserJock | if I was to do that in the next hour or two would that be ok? | 06:31 |
| Riddell | LaserJock: yes please | 06:31 |
| LaserJock | k | 06:32 |
| LaserJock | I'll ping you when I'm done | 06:32 |
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| theine | Hi, what's the "Hot New Stuff" in Kopete? | 06:36 |
| Lathiat | hot new stuff tends to refer to an in-app interface to getting new wallpapers etc | 06:36 |
| Lathiat | so in kopete, perhaps smilies, avatars? | 06:37 |
| Riddell | smileys yes | 06:41 |
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| andred | and chatwindow styles | 06:45 |
| Lure | Riddell: maybe Tonio_ should change default: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KonversationPublicAway | 06:48 |
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| Riddell | Lure: good plan, got a patch? | 06:50 |
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| Lure | Riddell: just checked - it looks like that Dapper version does not have this problem | 07:20 |
| Lure | I have tested it with default rc from k-d-s and it has it off by default | 07:20 |
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| LureTest | testing Kopete | 07:24 |
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| Riddell | Lure: groovy, thanks | 07:26 |
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| Lure | Riddell: knm and kerry (0.1) are now in KDE svn - any idea how should we follow them? | 08:11 |
| Lure | how often does it make sense to update ubuntu version? | 08:11 |
| Riddell | whernever they make a release? | 08:12 |
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| LaserJock | Riddell: ok, I'm done. commited as rev. 2833 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc-commits/2006-April/002355.html | 08:29 |
| Riddell | thanks LaserJock | 08:29 |
| LaserJock | Riddell: the changes should be fairly straightfoward | 08:29 |
| LaserJock | Riddell: I did build the .deb in pbuilder to test | 08:29 |
| LaserJock | Riddell: but I didn't mess around with the changelog | 08:29 |
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| seth | Riddell, any chance of getting an amarok 1.4b2 built against the new libmysqlclient15off ? | 09:53 |
| Riddell | seth: beta 3 is out this weekend, I'll package that | 09:54 |
| seth | rockin' | 09:54 |
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| Riddell | ooh, kmplayer gets gstreamer 0.10 support | 11:25 |
| kwwii | groovy | 11:35 |
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