[12:39] <raphink> Tonio_: didn't you change the breaking glass already? I thought we'd done that 2 months ago or so
[12:45] <Tonio_> raphink: I though I did it, but aparently I forgot :)
[12:45] <raphink> hehe
[12:45] <Tonio_> or there is a but in my implementation in k-d-s, that can happen too :)
[12:45] <raphink> iirc dapper doesn't have this sound by default anymore
[12:46] <Tonio_> like amarok's theme which wasn't workinf
[12:47] <Tonio_> raphink: let me look on a default profile
[12:48] <Tonio_> raphink: nope I removed it ;) hehe
[12:48] <raphink> yes I know ;)
[12:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: already removed :)
[12:48] <raphink> I would have gone crazy if it was still there
[12:48] <raphink> so I know it's not here anymore
[12:48] <Tonio_> raphink: I will also removed the sounds in konsole
[12:49] <Tonio_> it is horribly stressing
[12:49] <raphink> yes indeed
[12:49] <raphink> far too loud too
[01:14] <jeroenvrp> I have installed kio-beagle, but it does not work (no beagle:/). Do I have to relogin?
[01:18] <Tonio_> jeroenvrp: restart kde :)
[01:19] <jeroenvrp> ah Tonio_ 
[01:19] <jeroenvrp> thanks
[01:19] <jeroenvrp> not possible right know, because I'm encoding a videofile
[01:19] <jeroenvrp> but it is not me and that is good to know :-)
[01:21] <Tonio_> jeroenvrp: also, we're waiting for a little modification in the beagle package in order it autostarts
[01:21] <Tonio_> don't know if ti's done actually
[01:21] <jeroenvrp> you mean autostarting beagle?
[01:21] <Tonio_> yes, in KDE
[01:22] <Tonio_> jeroenvrp: just checked the package, and that should be good :)
[01:22] <jeroenvrp> mmm fot me it allreay does that
[01:22] <Tonio_> so just reload kde, and that'll work
[01:22] <jeroenvrp> I only dont autostart kerry yet
[01:22] <jeroenvrp> another thing I noticed with kerry, that it wants top open mp3/ogg in Audacity :-)
[06:03] <robotgeek> freeflying: done with the docs. might have one more update, but done
[06:03] <freeflying> robotgeek: nice 
[06:03] <robotgeek> i will go and learn some pyqt 
[06:05] <robotgeek> freeflying: not uploaded yet, we also have "string exception :)"
[06:06] <freeflying> robotgeek: can we co from svn now 
[06:06] <robotgeek> freeflying: checkout?
[06:06] <freeflying> robotgeek: y
[06:07] <robotgeek> freeflying: well, i guess all the initial chapters are done, but one more day and i can assure you that nothin will change :)
[06:07] <freeflying> robotgeek: okey
[06:08] <robotgeek> freeflying: will ping you when uploaded to rosetta
[06:08] <freeflying> robotgeek: then we can translate them on LP ?
[06:08] <robotgeek> freeflying: i guess so
[06:08] <freeflying> robotgeek: great 
[06:09] <robotgeek> i am happy that we have lot of time for translation this time
[06:10] <freeflying> robotgeek: ya, nearly two half and one month 
[10:39] <MrFaber> hi all
[10:40] <MrFaber> I have a question according some dependencies. I need for KeepassX 2 parts of qt4 lib. I can install core and gui core but if I try to install dev or compatibility lib it breaks because of amarok. If Install all need parts with apt-get it removes amarok. Can this be fixed?
[10:40] <MrFaber> It seems only a problem of amarok
[10:41] <MrFaber> Oh, I am useing dapper like you can guess :)
[11:06] <seaLne> MrFaber: yeah i just noticed that with amarok this morning
[11:50] <mornfall> application/octet-stream dupe count: 6
[12:01] <Riddell> seaLne: which version of amarok?
[12:02] <Riddell> hello doelman 
[12:02] <doelman> hello Riddell ;0
[12:03] <doelman> how're u
[12:04] <seaLne> Riddell: i had amarok-14beta2 and koffice-15rc1 which it removed
[12:04] <Tm_T> anyone here using Kopete 0.12 series?!
[12:07] <Flosoft> hey
[12:07] <Flosoft> there is an error with the requirements of amarok since an update of yesterday
[12:07] <doelman> i use Tm-T
[12:07] <doelman> do you've problems with the jabber xml too?
[12:08] <Tm_T> doelman: please restart it from konsole
[12:08] <doelman> i dit Tm_T
[12:08] <doelman> did*
[12:09] <Tm_T> doelman: did it say anything like this? http://kopete.pastebin.com/645760
[12:09] <doelman> not exactly like that
[12:09] <Tm_T> but similar ?
[12:09] <doelman> but i get a very lot of jabber messages
[12:09] <doelman> yes
[12:09] <doelman> simular
[12:10] <Tm_T> doelman: many errors, including msn plugin?
[12:10] <doelman> yes
[12:10] <Tm_T> ...did you use msn before?
[12:10] <doelman> yes
[12:10] <doelman> always
[12:10] <Tm_T> oh well, try to use now =)
[12:10] <doelman> whay do you mean?
[12:11] <Tm_T> you'll see
[12:11] <doelman> i did not use msn in this session, sorry i misunderstood
[12:11] <Tm_T> doelman: I mean did you use it ever
[12:11] <jeroenvrp> mmm :No theme index file in '/usr/share/icons/default'.
[12:11] <Flosoft> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/645774
[12:11] <Flosoft> that is what I get when I try to install amarok again
[12:11] <doelman> yeah i did Tm_T
[12:11] <Tm_T> doelman: can you still use it?
[12:11] <doelman> yeah
[12:11] <jeroenvrp>  while updating ubuntu-artwork
[12:11] <Tm_T> doelman: ...whoa, lucky you =)
[12:12] <doelman> huh why
[12:12] <doelman> i use 0.11.93 (0.12 Beta 2)
[12:12] <Tm_T> doelman: I can't
[12:12] <Tm_T> not with beta2 or current svn
[12:12] <doelman> oow weird
[12:12] <Tm_T> doelman: and I'm not alone
[12:12] <doelman> i will test it now, with my win2000 laptop, i'm going to test if the messages are deliver
[12:12] <jeroenvrp> If you really want to create an icon cache here, use --ignore-theme-index.
[12:12] <jeroenvrp> ????
[12:12] <jeroenvrp> where?
[12:13] <Tm_T> jeroenvrp: hmm, ignore
[12:13] <Tm_T> doelman: thanks
[12:13] <jeroenvrp> Tm_T: yes ignore, but it stays there with every update
[12:13] <Tm_T> doelman: here it doesn't even load msn plugin
[12:13] <doelman> oow, i can sign on
[12:13] <Tm_T> jeroenvrp: it disappeared today morning here
[12:13] <doelman> and i can chat too Tm_T
[12:13] <Tm_T> doelman: damned you!
[12:14] <Tm_T> =)
[12:14] <Tm_T> thanks
[12:14] <doelman> haha
[12:14] <jeroenvrp> Tm_T: strange, I just updated
[12:14] <doelman> but i've not the newest version maybe?
[12:14] <jeroenvrp> Tm_T: which repo are you using?
[12:14] <Tm_T> main
[12:15] <doelman> Tm_T do you think there's a change in the msn protocol or what?
[12:16] <Tm_T> doelman: well, problem is, there's not
[12:16] <Tm_T> not even in the code
[12:16] <Tm_T> of kopete
[12:16] <doelman> how's that possible
[12:16] <doelman> you're not the only one?
[12:16] <Tm_T> nope
[12:16] <doelman> what kind of errors you get?
[12:17] <Tm_T> well, http://kopete.pastebin.com/645780
[12:17] <Tm_T> simply fails to load msn plugin
[12:17] <Tm_T> and that's somewhat weird
[12:17] <doelman> and the stable kopete?
[12:17] <doelman> does that work
[12:17] <seaLne> Riddell: as a result it also uninstalled kubuntu-desktop
[12:17] <Tm_T> haven't tried yet
[12:17] <Tm_T> doelman: problem is, I should know what's wrong =)
[12:19] <doelman> you should?
[12:20] <Tm_T> yeah
[12:20] <Tm_T> testing if that latest commit to avdevice is causing problem
[12:21] <Tm_T> BINGO!
[12:22] <Tm_T> problem solved, thanks
[12:22] <doelman> how
[12:23] <Tm_T> it's all because of latest commit in libkopete/avdevice
[12:23] <doelman> hmm ok
[12:23] <Tm_T> webcam stuff, just break everything related =)
[12:23] <Tm_T> and it was meant to fix...
[12:24] <doelman> lol ok
[12:27] <mornfall> b0rk b0rk
[12:27] <mornfall> is it possible that i am hungry? :)
[12:27] <Tm_T> it is
[12:27] <mornfall> damn
[12:27] <mornfall> that blows :)
[12:28] <Tm_T> sucks too, and in overall it's called "breathing"
[12:32] <Flosoft> anyone here who could help me?
[12:33] <Flosoft> there is an error with the requirements of amarok since an update of yesterday
[12:37] <Flosoft> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/645774
[12:37] <Flosoft> that is what I get when I try to install amarok again
[12:38] <Riddell> see /topic
[12:38] <Flosoft> is amarok in a third party repo?
[12:40] <Flosoft> ah i c ... the beta doesn't work anymore
[12:40] <Flosoft> thx Riddell
[02:26] <jjesse>  /join #ubuntu-devel
[02:28] <jjesse> d'oh
[02:32] <OculusAquilae> :)
[02:33] <Riddell> AWAY: could you fix your away script to not print random blank lines and not use a generic nickname
[02:48] <freeflying> robotgeek: ping
[03:06] <kwwii> re
[03:30] <Hobbsee> what controls the default settings on for amarok?
[03:30] <Hobbsee> it'd make sense for amarok to be equalised to laptops, if the machine really is a laptop
[03:33] <Riddell> Hobbsee: equalised?
[03:34] <Hobbsee> Riddell: with the equaliser.
[03:35] <Riddell> with the laptop profile
[03:35] <Riddell> what's the rationale behind that?
[03:36] <Hobbsee> because with the little laptop speakers, the default equaliser setting (read flat, none) doesnt sound very good - sounds all static-ey
[03:37] <Hobbsee> yet it sounds much, much better with the laptop/headphones preset
[03:37] <Hobbsee> then again, one could plug speakers in, and have to change it from there, i guess
[03:37] <Riddell> yeah, we can't really do anything by default since there's no way to tell if it's a laptop and e.g. my laptop has good speakers plugged into it
[03:37] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[03:38] <Hobbsee> that's when i booted to the old kernel, to get sound back!
[03:38] <Hobbsee> wow!  it's almost midnight already!  i just had dinner!
[03:54] <Riddell> hmm, would people complain if we set kate to 4 spaces as default indent I wonder
[03:56] <Hobbsee> what's it at now?
[03:56] <Hobbsee> hmm...i'm getting told that kubuntu has no direction
[03:56] <Hobbsee> *at whiners
[03:56] <Riddell> who's saying that?  do they have any suggestions for better direction?
[03:57] <Riddell> direction is best KDE distribution
[03:57] <Hobbsee> just someone in IRC
[03:59] <Hobbsee> "poor designs and decisioning" is the specified reasoning
[03:59] <Hobbsee> *complaint
[03:59] <mornfall> Hobbsee?
[03:59] <mornfall> :-)
[03:59] <mornfall> Hobbsee: wrong channel (#kubuntu)
[04:00] <mornfall> Hobbsee: intetion was to ask here :)
[04:00] <mornfall> intention
[04:00] <Hobbsee>  I will try, Hobbsee.. my primary gripe is that they tend to deviate too far from the KDE standard
[04:00] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:00] <mornfall> well, whiners
[04:00] <mornfall> <-- whiner :] 
[04:00] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:01] <Hobbsee> mornfall: but then you actually do something about it!
[04:01] <Hobbsee> what do you mean, telling me that my wireless card doesnt work?
[04:01] <mornfall> umm, forums
[04:01] <Hobbsee> it sure as heck works - i'm chatting with it!
[04:01] <mornfall> heh
[04:01] <mornfall> well
[04:01] <mornfall> you can't know
[04:01] <mornfall> random forum poster knows a lot more about your machine than you do
[04:01] <Riddell> Hobbsee: tell them that's not very useful as all our changes from KDE defaults have a rationale, specific problems are needed
[04:01] <mornfall> for sure
[04:02] <mornfall> Riddell: is the rounded selection in konq/iconview deviation?
[04:02] <Riddell> mornfall: it is, and despite its non-antialiased look I still think its nicer than the default
[04:02] <Riddell> I think debian also includes that patch now
[04:02] <mornfall> Riddell: it's also mis-aligned... looks awful on my lcd
[04:03] <Hobbsee> mornfall: hehe, scary
[04:03] <mornfall> black selection on white background -- aliasing is very visible too
[04:03] <Hobbsee> you've got me kind of wondering what the default kde stuff actually looks like now...
[04:03] <mornfall> not to mention it doesn't fit my style at all... is it at least optional? :))
[04:04] <mornfall> (hidden kconfig option? anything?)
[04:04] <Hobbsee> complaint about kcontrol as well...yep
[04:04] <Riddell> Hobbsee: square blue box for icon selection text
[04:04] <Hobbsee> nah, i was meaning all of kde, not just that
[04:04] <mornfall> well
[04:05] <mornfall> i use debian sid version of kde right now -- and it has the same damn rounding patch
[04:05] <mornfall> it so drives me nuts i end up recompiling soon
[04:05] <mornfall> if it can't be turned off easily
[04:06] <Riddell> Hobbsee: remove kubuntu-default-settings to get back to almost all the defaults
[04:06] <Hobbsee> Riddell: http://pastebin.com/646062 is the chatlog
[04:06] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[04:08] <Riddell> mornfall: I'm pretty sure it can't be turned off without recompiling, which is a shame.  probably not too hard to alter it to change that though
[04:13] <mornfall> Hobbsee: tell kkathman wherever he is, that abolishing apt-get would for now also mean abolishing both synaptic and adept
[04:13] <mornfall> Hobbsee: since neither of them currently supports the aptitude features not in apt-get
[04:14] <Hobbsee> that's what i thought the case was
[04:14] <Hobbsee> mind you, he is an advocate of rpm's, so i'm taking all the packaging comments with a pinch of salt lol
[04:14] <mornfall> well
[04:14] <mornfall> rpm
[04:14] <neoncode> Hobbsee: Pinch of salt?
[04:14] <mornfall> it's not like it wasn't superior to dpkg in at least some aspects :)
[04:15] <Hobbsee> neoncode: you dont have that expression where you are?
[04:15] <neoncode> Hobbsee: It seems familiar. But I don't get out much.
[04:15] <Hobbsee> means that i'm a little wary of taking it seriously - knowing that there is bias
[04:16] <neoncode> Hobbsee: Ah, makes sence.
[04:16] <mornfall> Hobbsee: how there could not be bias?
[04:16] <Hobbsee> true
[04:16] <mornfall> especially in things like package management
[04:16] <mornfall> where noone actually *knows* the differences
[04:17] <mornfall> i both maintain adept and work for redhat and still only know little about rpm/dpkg pros and cons
[04:17] <mornfall> neoncode: umm
[04:17] <mornfall> neoncode: try dpkg someday
[04:17] <mornfall> neoncode: without frontend
[04:18] <mornfall> neoncode: it won't be any different, now
[04:18] <mornfall> neoncode: so stop comparing apples to banana juice :)
[04:18] <neoncode> mornfall: I bearly know what dpkg is. as I said. I don't know much.
[04:18] <mornfall> so :)
[04:19] <neoncode> mornfall: so?
[04:19] <mornfall> neoncode: what?
[04:20] <neoncode> mornfall: oh sorry I thought you were asking a question.
[04:20] <mornfall> you don't want me to ask questions :)
[04:20] <Hobbsee> oh i'm sure we can find you good questions to ask...
[04:21] <Hobbsee> like "how's adept going?"  :P
[04:21] <mornfall> Hobbsee: ...
[04:21] <mornfall> i may also start asking about that dead body
[04:21] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:21] <mornfall> and i'm sure you'd rather not answer
[04:22] <mornfall> so
[04:22] <Hobbsee> that dead body was the one i threw off the front balcony, and is being left to decompose.  what makes you ask?
[04:22] <mornfall> it's not so much fun when you play along :P
[04:23] <mornfall> lalala
[04:25] <mornfall> oh my goodness
[04:26] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:30] <Hobbsee> and crashes through the ice, yes
[04:33] <neoncode> Nice to know that developer relations are in such a good state.
[04:34] <Hobbsee> :P
[04:35] <Hobbsee> of course they are :P
[04:38] <mornfall> neoncode: see? :)
[04:38] <neoncode> lol
[04:38] <mornfall> i can't tell i love her or someone'd get jealous, eventually
[04:38] <neoncode> Share the developer love!
[04:38] <Hobbsee> yes, it's probably not a good idea to say things like that, mornfall lol
[04:38] <mornfall> Hobbsee :)
[04:39] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:39] <mornfall> neoncode: dangerous promises
[04:40] <neoncode> i'm sure Hobbsee Would kill me if I did anything anyway.
[04:40] <Hobbsee> lol
[04:41] <Hobbsee> something like that, yes
[04:41] <neoncode> and w00t! my kororaa 0.2 Live CD ISO image downloaed
[04:41] <Hobbsee> you know, i was asked today if i taught the first year computing course
[04:41] <kmon> mornfall: adept rocks, but I would like to know if there's a way of looking for packages configuration files left over and orphans like synaptics has....
[04:41] <Hobbsee> and was told that i was explaining things better than the lecturer was
[04:41] <Hobbsee> scary...
[04:41] <mornfall> kmon: i don't know of any
[04:41] <kmon> mornfall: ok, thanxs
[04:41] <mornfall> kmon: it's easily done in code
[04:41] <mornfall> kmon: but no way in UI
[04:42] <kmon> mornfall: please consider that in dapper+1 ;)
[04:42] <mornfall> kmon: probably need a bunch more of filters and add a menu :)
[04:42] <kmon> if ubuntu doesn't change package management to smart package management....
[04:43] <kmon> which I think is planned
[04:43] <mornfall> kmon: could you file a wishlist maybe?
[04:43] <mornfall> ah, that too
[04:43] <neoncode> kmon: It is?
[04:43] <mornfall> well, it'll be in debian
[04:43] <kmon> I remember reading that somewhere
[04:43] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:43] <Hobbsee> did you ever do what i emailed you about, mornfall?
[04:43] <kmon> and the fact that cannonical has hired spm developer.... makes it quite possible
[04:44] <Riddell> spm developer?
[04:44] <neoncode> spm?
[04:44] <kmon> smart package manager
[04:44] <kmon> management
[04:44] <kmon> or what ever
[04:44] <Riddell> oh, yes
[04:45] <neoncode> What *is* smart package management?
[04:45] <mornfall> Hobbsee: not yet :'(
[04:46] <Hobbsee> ok, is it at the "thinking about, but not yet implemented" stage, or the "totally forgotten about" stage?
[04:46] <mornfall> Hobbsee: but, well, if you only want dpkg output that's not hard :)
[04:46] <kmon> neoncode: http://labix.org/smart
[04:46] <mornfall> Hobbsee: view->last dpkg run->show details
[04:46] <Hobbsee> mornfall: seen the adept updater?
[04:46] <mornfall> umm
[04:46] <mornfall> updater
[04:46] <Hobbsee> er...
[04:46] <mornfall> i knew i forgot about something
[04:46] <Hobbsee> ubuntu updater
[04:46] <mornfall> well, i know the output is not optimal
[04:46] <Hobbsee> i meant the updater in ubuntu - how it has a "more" section, which shows what is outputed into the console...
[04:46] <mornfall> but changing this has no chance for dapper either way
[04:47] <Hobbsee> yeah, i figured
[04:47] <Hobbsee> cool for dapper +1  though
[04:47] <mornfall> Hobbsee: hmm, updater has that... it just goes away automagically when finished
[04:47] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[04:47] <mornfall> Hobbsee: so you can't get the output copied easily
[04:47] <mornfall> hmm
[04:47] <mornfall> hmm hmm
[04:47] <Hobbsee> i was more thinking for the main adept window though
[04:47] <Hobbsee> neoncode: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Packaging/Kubuntu currently
[04:47] <mornfall> Hobbsee: hmm?
[04:48] <mornfall> Hobbsee: one sec
[04:48] <Hobbsee> neoncode: http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html is being updated, but is probably more consice
[04:48] <Hobbsee> s/concise
[04:49] <Hobbsee> mornfall: i dont know - but the case in point is where a user tries to install something, it says it's going to break packages, yet it doesnt show what will be added/removed in teh process
[04:49] <Hobbsee> simply, anyway, and in a pastebinable form
[04:49] <Hobbsee> pastebinable - nice new verb :P
[04:49] <mornfall> Hobbsee: well, if it says BREAK, it won't do anything -- because it refuses to break system
[04:49] <mornfall> Hobbsee: just like apt-get
[04:49] <Hobbsee> well that's what i thought
[04:50] <Hobbsee> it cant upgrade the pacakges that wont break?
[04:50] <neoncode> Does dapper work with wireless?
[04:51] <mornfall> Hobbsee: it does what apt-get does, roughly
[04:51] <mornfall> Hobbsee: tries a bit harder to not break
[04:51] <Hobbsee> neoncode: yeah it does.
[04:51] <mornfall> Hobbsee: http://lorien.mornfall.net:8012/m/adept-konsole.png <-- is this what you mean?
[04:51] <mornfall> i wish konsolepart was less stupid sometimes
[04:52] <Hobbsee> that'd be good...but a little earlier in the installing would be good
[04:52] <Hobbsee> what it's adding, what it's removing, which new packages are installed
[04:52] <mornfall> yes, a log of activity
[04:52] <Hobbsee> seeing as it doesnt seem to really distinguish between new packages installed, and packages removed
[04:52] <mornfall> well, dapper+1
[04:52] <Hobbsee> yeah, that sounds right
[04:52] <Hobbsee> definetly
[04:52] <mornfall> in case adept will be at all in dapper + 1
[04:53] <Hobbsee> mind you, we were told that months ago for knetworkmanager, and look where we're at now...
[04:53] <Hobbsee> :P
[04:53] <mornfall> hmm?
[04:53] <mornfall> knetworkmanager, that things works at all? :P
[04:53] <Hobbsee> sure it does
[04:54] <kmon> mornfall: I'm using knetwork manager :)
[04:54] <mornfall> but i could be just weird
[04:54] <kmon> with wpa and bcm43xx
[04:54] <Hobbsee> wouldnt behave much with console tools - didnt once, did the next time, then the third knm got it configured perfectly without a problem, so i didnt need them
[04:55] <mornfall> ouch
[04:55] <mornfall> that's evil :|
[04:55] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:55] <mornfall> ipw2200++
[04:55] <mornfall> wondering if it turns into ipw2201 now
[04:55] <Hobbsee> well, i know how to make it work perfectly now - and only need the net access to get ndiswrapper
[04:55] <jjesse> where do i find knetworkmanager?  is it installed by default with the lastest updates/
[04:55] <Hobbsee> jjesse: run it from a konsole
[04:55] <Riddell> jjesse: it's still in universe
[04:55] <Hobbsee> oh, that...yeah
[04:56] <mornfall> kon-kon-kon-kon... what? :)
[04:56] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:56] <Hobbsee> minicli hey?  not heard of that one
[04:56] <kmon> mornfall: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125124
[04:56] <mornfall> hah
[04:56] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 125124 in general "orphan and left over configuration" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]  
[04:57] <mornfall> i don't believe you :)
[04:57] <kmon> my whishlist
[04:57] <kmon> another thing kubuntu doesn't have in adept but ubuntu has is the notification of a necessary reboot on kernel upgrade.... is that correct?
[04:57] <mornfall> kmon: thx
[04:58] <mornfall> no idea
[04:58] <kmon> kde bug tracker is a pain.... I prefere malone :)
[04:58] <mornfall> if it is in debconf as it should, then it should work
[04:58] <mornfall> kmon: malone is pain
[04:58] <mornfall> kmon: at least for developers
[04:58] <kmon> xD
[04:58] <kmon> It's very easy for me to file a bug in malone
[04:58] <mornfall> it doesn't even get you package version from user if he doesn't recall
[04:58] <kmon> in kde bug tracker is a very long process....
[04:59] <mornfall> maybe :)
[04:59] <Hobbsee> mornfall: it's not so bad when you subscribe to an entire package, and bugs
[04:59] <mornfall> but i hate malone with passion
[04:59] <Hobbsee> you see a lot of the duplicates that way :P
[04:59] <jjesse> Riddell: the about-kubuntu guide and desktopguide are ready for .pots to be uploaded
[04:59] <mornfall> Hobbsee: i am
[04:59] <kmon> it remembers me the typical windows assistants... which many people hate
[04:59] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[04:59] <kmon> with lots of, fill this and click continue, ... repeat
[04:59] <mornfall> Hobbsee: and the net result is that i get 2 mails about every dupe i don't want to see :p
[04:59] <Hobbsee> lol very true
[05:00] <Hobbsee> filters
[05:00] <mornfall> there were so far 6 dupes of application/octet-stream bug
[05:01] <mornfall> i am thinking that maybe patching users would be best :))
[05:01] <mornfall> they are sorta buggy
[05:01] <mornfall> only reporting bugs that i already know
[05:01] <Hobbsee> lol
[05:01] <mornfall> and not reporting those i don't :)
[05:01] <Hobbsee> hehe!!!!!
[05:02] <mornfall> what?
[05:02] <mornfall> :)
[05:02] <Hobbsee> when you get a #kubuntu.patch, and a whingers.patch, let me know :P
[05:02] <Riddell> jjesse: oh, cool.  I wonder how I do that
[05:02] <mornfall> Hobbsee: i need to run cluebatize in the source tree first
[05:02] <jjesse> Riddell: don't know but mdke told me to ping you on that :)
[05:02] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:03] <Riddell> jjesse: ok, I'll look into it
[05:03] <jjesse> Riddell: would love to help if possible
[05:06] <Riddell> jjesse: it'll just need them generated in the kubuntu-docs package
[05:10] <jjesse> question on knetworkmanager should it turn on/off the wireless/bluetooth LED when I disable/enable wireless?
[05:10] <jjesse> that's on my laptop (Latitude d810)
[05:10] <Hobbsee> ah...
[05:11] <Hobbsee> that's a good question...
[05:11] <Riddell> jjesse: I would expect that to be hardwired into the hardware
[05:11] <Riddell> but I could be wrong
[05:13] <Hobbsee> do i want to try it?
[05:13] <Hobbsee> no i dont...i'm sure i dont...
[05:14] <Hobbsee> mornfall: while i think of it, what country do you live in?
[05:14] <jjesse> wireless lan manager does 
[05:14] <mornfall> Hobbsee: why? :)
[05:14] <mornfall> Hobbsee: (and you?)
[05:14] <Hobbsee> just curious, that's all
[05:14] <mornfall> Hobbsee: czech republic here
[05:15] <Hobbsee> wow!  cool!
[05:15] <mornfall> O.o
[05:15] <mornfall> hmm? :)
[05:15] <Hobbsee> sydney, australia here
[05:15] <mornfall> i so suspected australia
[05:15] <mornfall> but i don't know why...
[05:15] <Hobbsee> czech is such a beautiful language...i'd love to be able to speak it
[05:15] <mornfall> maybe the timezone thing :)
[05:15] <Hobbsee> a /whois, perhaps?
[05:15] <mornfall> Hobbsee: pro? :)
[05:15] <Hobbsee> eyah, probably
[05:15] <kmon> suse has released kerry 1.0
[05:16] <mornfall> at least, it efficiently kills of any danger of romantic problems... and also problems with my eventual dead body :] 
[05:16] <Riddell> 0.1 :)
[05:16] <kmon> mmmm
[05:16] <kmon> yep
[05:16] <kmon> hehe
[05:16] <mornfall> off
[05:17] <Hobbsee> haha
[05:18] <freeflying> Riddell: your blog url ?
[05:18] <neoncode> wow... I got dapper running on a machene and with no configuration I was able to get it to my windows laptops' shared folders.. nice...
[05:18] <Hobbsee> freeflying: which one...hehe
[05:18] <mornfall> Hobbsee: why do you think czech is beautiful?
[05:18] <mornfall> (i am not opposing, just curious)
[05:18] <Hobbsee> mornfall: i dont know - i've heard it spoken by customers at work a few times...
[05:19] <freeflying> Hobbsee: he has lots ? :)
[05:19] <mornfall> Hobbsee: work? :)
[05:19] <Hobbsee> freeflying: more than one, yes
[05:19] <Hobbsee> mornfall: i work at a supermarket
[05:19] <Riddell> freeflying: somewhere on kdedevelopers.org, it's listed on planet.kde.org
[05:19] <mornfall> oh
[05:19] <mornfall> Hobbsee: i have a cousin in australia :) (czech, but married there)
[05:20] <mornfall> umm, actually not cousin
[05:20] <mornfall> relative :)
[05:20] <Hobbsee> hehe fair enough
[05:20] <mornfall> i wouldn't want to work at supermarket though
[05:20] <freeflying> Riddell: I prepare add all kubuntu developer's blog to our planet :)
[05:21] <mornfall> i am not too good in interacting with live people
[05:21] <Hobbsee> yes, of course
[05:21] <mornfall> vamp? :))
[05:21] <Riddell> freeflying: where's that?
[05:21] <Hobbsee> about to come and suck your blood, yes :P
[05:21] <freeflying> Riddell: planet.ubuntu.org.cn
[05:21] <mornfall> i don't have blood that'd be of some use
[05:22] <mornfall> unless you want to kill some weed
[05:22] <Hobbsee> neoncode: yay!
[05:22] <Hobbsee> urgh, no thanks
[05:22] <mornfall> :))
[05:22] <neoncode> Hobbsee: =)
[05:23] <mornfall> welll
[05:23] <mornfall> i should go home
[05:23] <mornfall> it's half past five
[05:23] <Riddell> solidot.org  woo, chinese slashdot :)
[05:23] <Hobbsee> 01.35 sat here...
[05:23] <Hobbsee> nice!
[05:24] <mornfall> sat like in satisfiability? the np-complete problem? :)
[05:24] <mornfall> (or no)
[05:24] <Hobbsee> sat like saturday...
[05:24] <mornfall> you are in library on 1:35am?
[05:24] <Hobbsee> no
[05:24] <Hobbsee> i'm at home now
[05:24] <mornfall> i must have missed something
[05:24] <Hobbsee> i was in the library a few days ago, killing time
[05:24] <mornfall> ah
[05:25] <Hobbsee> but i was coding earlier here, yeah
[05:25] <mornfall> the latest i was in a public library was like 10pm
[05:25] <mornfall> it was obviously closed at the time too :))
[05:26] <mornfall> hmm hmm
[05:26] <mornfall> i shouldn't be so lazy
[05:26] <mornfall> goodnight Hobbsee 
[05:26] <mornfall> --> home
[05:26] <Hobbsee> night mornfall 
[05:26] <Hobbsee> computer labs are supposed to close at 1am or something
[05:26] <mornfall> (well, it's afternoon here :)
[05:27] <jeroenvrp> hi folks
[05:28] <jeroenvrp> I have a beagle tip for you all
[05:28] <jeroenvrp> exclude any incoming P2P directories
[05:28] <jeroenvrp> I have mldonkey and beagled was just hanging and consumed 90% op my cpu
[05:29] <jeroenvrp> I did a tail -f on the log and it was complaining about a tmp-file in the incomoing dir
[05:29] <jeroenvrp> excluded it and the cpu dropped right away to 5%
[05:29] <jeroenvrp> just to let you know :-)
[05:34] <Hobbsee> night all...
[05:36] <Hobbsee> i'm sure i tried that p/w for that email account!
[05:37] <Hobbsee> must not have.  oh well
[05:48] <robotgeek> freeflying: pong
[05:55] <freeflying> robotgeek: why the release name still breezy in kubuntu-docs ( on LP )
[05:55] <robotgeek> freeflying: maybe it has not been uploaded to rosetta yet, moment
[05:56] <Riddell> it hasn't
[05:56] <Riddell> freeflying: where?
[05:57] <freeflying> robotgeek: it's 6.06-1 on LP
[05:57] <robotgeek> Riddell: if you did something with the kubuntu-docs, i need you to redo it
[05:57] <freeflying> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/kubuntu-docs/+pots/about-kubuntu/zh_CN/+translate
[05:58] <Riddell> robotgeek: I did nothing, see mdke's post just now to mailing list though
[05:58] <Riddell> freeflying: yeah, wait until mdke uploads, should be soon
[05:58] <freeflying> Riddell: okey
[05:59] <robotgeek> Riddell: nice. i think i'll reduce my mail checking interval
[05:59] <robotgeek> later freeflying 
[06:23] <toma> evening
[06:25] <LaserJock> Riddell: sorry to bug you, how soon do you think you would have a kubuntu-docs package ready?
[06:26] <Riddell> LaserJock: see #ubuntu-devel
[06:27] <LaserJock> Riddell: k, hmm, I was going to try to add doc-base files to the kubuntu-docs package before you did
[06:28] <Riddell> LaserJock: what's that?
[06:29] <LaserJock> you can register HTML docs with doc-base and then the Debian documentation viewers, dwww and doc-central can view them
[06:29] <LaserJock> it is DE neutral
[06:29] <LaserJock> I added the ubuntu-docs already
[06:30] <Riddell> LaserJock: sure, go ahead
[06:31] <LaserJock> if I was to do that in the next hour or two would that be ok?
[06:31] <Riddell> LaserJock: yes please
[06:32] <LaserJock> k
[06:32] <LaserJock> I'll ping you when I'm done
[06:36] <theine> Hi, what's the "Hot New Stuff" in Kopete?
[06:36] <Lathiat> hot new stuff tends to refer to an in-app interface to getting new wallpapers etc
[06:37] <Lathiat> so in kopete, perhaps smilies, avatars?
[06:41] <Riddell> smileys yes
[06:45] <andred> and chatwindow styles
[06:48] <Lure> Riddell: maybe Tonio_ should change default: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KonversationPublicAway
[06:50] <Riddell> Lure: good plan, got a patch?
[07:20] <Lure> Riddell: just checked - it looks like that Dapper version does not have this problem
[07:20] <Lure> I have tested it with default rc from k-d-s and it has it off by default
[07:24] <LureTest> testing Kopete
[07:26] <Riddell> Lure: groovy, thanks
[08:11] <Lure> Riddell: knm and kerry (0.1) are now in KDE svn - any idea how should we follow them?
[08:11] <Lure> how often does it make sense to update ubuntu version?
[08:12] <Riddell> whernever they make a release?
[08:29] <LaserJock> Riddell: ok, I'm done. commited as rev. 2833 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc-commits/2006-April/002355.html
[08:29] <Riddell> thanks LaserJock 
[08:29] <LaserJock> Riddell: the changes should be fairly straightfoward
[08:29] <LaserJock> Riddell: I did build the .deb in pbuilder to test
[08:29] <LaserJock> Riddell: but I didn't mess around with the changelog
[09:53] <seth> Riddell, any chance of getting an amarok 1.4b2 built against the new libmysqlclient15off ?
[09:54] <Riddell> seth: beta 3 is out this weekend, I'll package that
[09:54] <seth> rockin'
[11:25] <Riddell> ooh, kmplayer gets gstreamer 0.10 support
[11:35] <kwwii> groovy