[12:10] is there an xml file somewhere that includes all the top-level guides' xml files? [12:14] a what, that includes what? [12:15] you know how serverguide.xml includes network-application.xml, and things like that. looking for something that includes serverguide.xml and all the other top-level guides. [12:15] I don't know of one [12:15] yeah me too :/ [12:15] why? [12:16] seems like it would be a huge mess [12:16] was mucking around with validate.sh. I'd like it to be able to validate all modified files or the whole kitnkaboodle. [12:16] and a file like that would come in handy. [12:17] heh, that is what bash scripting is for ;-) [12:18] or a neato python script [12:23] yeah, a list of those files would serve the same purpose [12:26] hmm, if I ever get this packaging guide done I'd like to make some more scripts for the doc team [12:26] trappist: you still busy? === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kyral [n=kyral@HyperDream.hamlin.clarkson.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === KingBahamut [n=bahamut@c-24-98-229-28.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === theCore [n=alex@toronto-HSE-ppp4205896.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke_ [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.211.154] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-143-155.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:54] whoops, forgot to update flash plugin info === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:16] hmm, facinating. If you look at the raw numbers for Ubuntu at Distrowatch, we are kicking ass [06:17] we are getting between 2 and 4 times the hits of next most popular, currently tied up amongst mepis, fedora, suse and mandriva [06:21] Burgundavia: yay [06:21] kubuntu isn't far behind, too [06:21] in real numbers, our one month stat is around 3000 with use climbing to 7000 on Tuesday [06:21] kubuntu is around 500 [06:22] that is hits per day, one hit per ip === frank23 [n=frank@modemcable135.248-130-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robotgeek finishes page on how to turn off public away in Konversation [06:24] hey frank23 [06:24] robotgeek: hey. is the kdg rush over? [06:25] frank23: i guess it's over, with maybe a handhelds patch from jjesse [06:25] otherwise, we are done. if that patch doesn't come in soon, we delete the section [06:25] ok [06:26] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KonversationPublicAway [06:26] robotgeek: I noticed a few rough spots while reading it but I don't think they're that bad [06:27] frank23: which chapters? [06:28] robotgeek: well the one I thought could be most improved is the adept part. that section basically only tells how to open adept. not how to actually use it [06:29] frank23: hmm, yes. at the time of writing, i did not know how adept would change. i left it for later, [06:30] robotgeek: yeah. adept is not 'that' hard to figure out. but a general procedure to install a package would have been nice [06:31] frank23: yeah, well, atleast the adept guide can help! [06:31] yeah [06:31] true we don't need to reinvent the wheel [06:31] jjesse is writing that :) [06:32] the adept guide? [06:32] frank23: or the handbook (help file) [06:33] robotgeek: will the documentation translations be done through rosetta? [06:33] frank23: yup [06:35] translating programs seems pretty messy. I looked at the translation mailing list and people were saying that often the upstream translations (for GNOME and KDE) just replace work done in rosetta [06:35] translating ubuntu specific things like docs should be ok though [06:35] I might help with the French translation [06:36] frank23: awesome. [06:36] anything producing by ubuntu will not have upstream replace bits of it [06:36] i heard quebec french is different from paris french :P [06:37] robotgeek: well written [06:37] robotgeek: well written French is pretty standard [06:37] the accent and expressions are certainly pretty different [06:38] Well compare British English and the Texan accent. [06:38] On top of that I'm not actually a Quebecer [06:38] frank23: :) [06:39] I'm Acadian === bhuvan does last sg commit === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Madpilot [n=brian@S0106000d88b9f3db.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:49] hi all [06:51] hey Madpilot === LaserJock waves from behind the computer === robitaille waves from work... [06:53] robitaille, what are you doing at work at 10pm? [06:53] a long story. And you know, the climate nevers stops :) [06:54] well, yes, but surely the climate computers can run unsupervised overnight? [06:55] actually I just got here. Just finishing a few things in the next couple of hours === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:12] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MigratingFromWindows [07:12] ^^ something I've been meaning to start for a month or three, and want to get into the Dapper+1 UDG [07:16] Madpilot: http://openmoveover.sourceforge.net/ [07:18] robotgeek, cool. Bookmarked for future reference [07:18] Madpilot: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BOFs/MigratingToUbuntu [07:19] there's the spec :) [07:19] Madpilot: http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2006/03/28/tool-to-migrate-from-windows-to-ubuntu-linux/#comments is the original [07:20] I was wondering if there was a spec, actually - doesn't look like much has happened on it, though [07:21] they did a bunch of specing at UDU that never got done [07:21] that was before JaneW got hired and kicked ass [07:22] Madpilot: openmoveover is only the linux portion [07:22] yeah, was reading the copy there - too bad they didn't open-source the whole pile [07:22] which is not the hard part [07:23] as I said in the intro to the page I just created :P [07:23] I would almost keep a migration guide seperate from the desktkop guide === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-149-183.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:25] either way, first we need a mirgration guide - I'm going to make notes when I switch Clive's Outlook over this weekend, and google for stuff - I'm sure a lot has already been written [07:25] yep [07:25] there is outstanding bounty of 500 from Novell to write an Outlook to Evolution guide [07:28] Madpilot: go for it :) [07:28] this is just Outlook Express, thankfully, so it's just address books & emails, not all the rest of the Outlook/Evolution bumpf [07:28] heh [07:29] i need to work on my imap "server" [07:29] robotgeek, the trouble is that I can't write most of it - I don't have access to Outlook, or to the newest versions of OE (I'll be working with Win98's OE) [07:29] i am definetly tired of not having the freedom to switch clients [07:30] I can do the windows stuff [07:30] Burgundavia, cool. [07:30] The easiest is the IE-to-Firefox, that's just File->Import in FF :P [07:31] on the Ubuntu side, anyway. Getting IE to tell you where it hides your bookmarks is a bit harder... === bojicas [n=bojicas@we1-as6075.alshamil.net.ae] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:31] install firefox on windows, import, export :) [07:32] robotgeek, that works, but it's messier than just figuring out where Win98/XP/etc hide the IE bookmarks file [07:33] Madpilot: true. [07:33] I think IE keeps it in a single file [07:34] Madpilot: http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=211089 [07:34] the good people at MS have already considered this [07:34] ah, IE does have an Export function - I hadn't thought it did [07:35] I would go into windows to test things, but I would rather not torture myself [07:36] does your machine have Outlook or just OE on it? [07:36] oe, but I can get the full version of Outlook [07:36] we shoudl concentrate on OE for now [07:37] If Novell is offering public bounties for Outlook stuff, it's beyond what we need to tackle right now! [07:37] yep [07:37] ? [07:40] rob, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MigratingFromWindows === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-149-183.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:40] ah [07:41] rob, and Burgundavia's comment somewhere above about Novell offering bounties for Outlook-to-Evolution migration stuff [07:41] very nice, you could see why they would want that [07:42] would be nice to write a little tool in python to copy the files and then burn a cd with them [07:42] on the windows side [07:42] how closed is the .pst file format? [07:43] or rather, how cryptic? [07:43] as closed as any other ms format [07:43] likely just as cryptic [07:43] remember, this is the company that keeps log files in a binary format [07:43] knowing MS, probably [07:46] http://www.mailnavigator.com/reading_ms_outlook_pst_files.html "The format of MS Outlook mail archives (*.pst) is protected by Microsoft." [07:46] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuLiveChatSupport [07:47] ah, yeah I've seen that one at work before [07:48] umm, the wiki page just got created [07:49] it's too bad the only gui irc client is gaim in Dapper.... not the best for new users [07:49] at least it seems irssi is still installed by default :) [07:50] no, but something like that thingy could go a long way towards making it easier to handle joining #ubuntu [07:50] yes, but once you're there, gaim is a crappy way to interface with irc [07:51] correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't xchat also installed by default or has that been changed? [07:51] xchat is no longer isntlaled by default [07:52] icky, how come they changed that? [07:52] so the only irc client installed by default in Dapper are now gaim, and irssi [07:52] ...and I'm not sure why irssi is still in that list... [07:53] it is small and text based [07:53] irssi and lynx has saved my butt a couple of times before [07:54] well, they have [07:54] I personally prefer elinks over lynx. But neither lynx or elinks are installed by default [07:55] I'm not really refering to Ubuntu though [07:55] generally its some other distro and an upgrade has broken something, etc [07:56] I use elinks/mutt/irssi on a daily basis. Small memory footprint, works over an ssh connections...pefect tools for the CLI oldtimer in me :) === bojicas [n=bojicas@we1-as6075.alshamil.net.ae] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lloydinho [n=andreas@130.225.237.206] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-doc === manicka [n=manicka@ubuntu/member/manicka] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:55] morning [08:57] salut mdke_ [08:58] hi mdke_ [08:59] how's it going? [09:00] not bad [09:00] did you see the cool irc stuff that joel is cooking up? [09:01] no... [09:01] scroll back up [09:02] don't see it. Maybe I was disconnected [09:02] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuLiveChatSupport [09:03] and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SensibleIRCHandler [09:04] is that intended for dapper? [09:04] no idea [09:04] I should actually try GAIM next time I run the Dapper LiveCD - I'll probably come running back to XChat, as kludgy as it is... :P [09:04] it is done by the a community member [09:04] gaim is pretty cludgy to get going [09:05] it is about 10 steps to get into #ubuntu [09:05] lovely [09:05] worse than XChat-Gnome, then [09:06] mdke_, far more modest, but I just started this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MigratingFromWindows === bojicas [n=bojicas@we1-as6075.alshamil.net.ae] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:06] cool idea [09:06] hey, xchat-gnome rocks [09:07] you've got a strange definition of "rocks", then :P [09:07] i love it [09:07] it has some quirky issues with the network connection/choosing dialog [09:07] if that irc thing goes into dapper, that will mean a fair amount of work on the docs [09:08] XChat is hard to use, but highly configurable. XChat-Gnome is hard to use, and totally unconfigurable - worst of both worlds, IMO [09:09] i find it easy to use [09:10] mdke_, start with a stock install of XChat - launch it, and it goes right to #ubuntu. A stock XChat-Gnome just sits there after being launched [09:10] that's a bug [09:10] Madpilot, ok, so desktop guide is alright? [09:10] mdke_, sure - we can freeze it and unleash the translators, I think [09:10] i hope you don't mind but i removed quite a lot of stuff that I thought was pretty irrelevant [09:11] quite obscure workarounds and so on [09:11] mdke_: couple of hours i did some typo fix in sg. i assume it's ok [09:11] yeah, I was following the commits as best I could from work today - looks like you cleaned up a lot of the Firefox bumpf, and other stuff [09:12] bhuvan, good, trappist found some more errors too [09:13] bhuvan, he has posted to various mailing lists asking for feedback, so I will wait and see if there is any response [09:13] mdke_: excellent [09:13] robotgeek, kubuntu stuff? [09:14] it looks like trappist proofread the entire SVN repo in the last two or three days, by the commit reports! [09:14] yeah [09:16] ok see ya later [09:19] Madpilot: think I should compare Scribus to InDesign? [09:20] you probably could - it's certainly got more firepower than, say, MS Publisher [09:26] bleh - the actual Scribus website doesn't seem to have an "About Scribus" section... :P [09:31] what are other big touch typing teaching programs? === manicka [n=manicka@ubuntu/member/manicka] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:43] night all [09:55] mdke_: ping? [09:57] trappist: ping? [10:01] LaserJock, pong [10:02] mdke_: I think I just commited the last of the packaging guide [10:02] LaserJock, woohoo [10:02] mdke_: but it is 1:00 am local time and I'd like for someone to check over a few sections for spelling/grammar [10:03] fresh eyes [10:03] do you know what trappist's TZ is? [10:03] LaserJock, fine. Jolly well done [10:03] something american, I think [10:03] hmm :/ [10:04] I'm sending an email to the list [10:04] and when doc.ubuntu.com gets rebuilt I'll send an email to -motu and -devel [10:04] mdke_: sound ok? [10:05] LaserJock, yep. I'll wait and see if trappist has anything to do on it, then do some translations, and if it needs to be changed later, so be it [10:06] ok [10:07] I've had a couple packaging newbs go through it pretty extensively yesterday and today and I think it is fairly solid [10:07] great [10:10] good night === Kamping_Kaiser [n=Kaiser@ppp232-141.lns2.adl4.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-149-183.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@195-23-238-197.nr.ip.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:28] trappist, when you wake up, I'm gonna wait for your go-ahead on the server and packaging guides before doing translation templates. Jordan wanted you to take a last look at the PG === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-149-183.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ealden [n=ealden@ipdial-165-145.tri-isys.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kamping_Kaiser [n=Kaiser@ppp232-141.lns2.adl4.internode.on.net] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@195-23-238-222.nr.ip.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc === joachim-n [n=joachim@ACCADE30.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:17] jjesse, robotgeek, kubuntu docs are ready to go? === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === manicka [n=manicka@ubuntu/member/manicka] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:37] mdke_: I'm sure if I went through them again I'd find some more changes to make, but I think it's safe to send both docs to the translators. === manicka [n=manicka@ubuntu/member/manicka] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:45] trappist, good, thanks. off I go === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-149-183.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jd_ [n=jd@wikipedia/Meanos] has joined #ubuntu-doc === manicka [n=manicka@ubuntu/member/manicka] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:46] mdke_: as far as i know === jsgotangco starts reviewing docs [04:53] i think i need to put some info for guidence and knetworkmanager in release notes [04:54] jjesse: you can make an online errata page in help if needed if the release notes gets too hairy a few weeks before release [04:54] help.ubuntu.com rather [04:55] jsgotangco: sure, would that just be a new doc then? errrata.xml? [04:55] jjesse: no i mean have it online - then make a link from your releasenotes in the distro [04:56] jjesse: because changes will definitely happen a few days before relesae [04:56] jsgotangco: sure can that would be on help.ubuntu.com and not the wiki? (wiki.ubuntu.com) [04:56] jjesse: sure its our server anyways [04:57] jsgotangco: ok [04:58] jjesse, right, well if the dg and aboutkubuntu are ready, please ask riddell to do an upload with the new pot files in === jsgotangco wonders where LaserJock is at this time [04:58] mdke_: ok, did robotgeek respond to your questioN? [04:58] jjesse, no [05:00] mdke_: sent riddell a not to upload the new pot files [05:01] mdke_: is the docteam website still the wiki? or should it be doc.ubuntu.com? [05:02] jsgotangco, i don't think there is a right answer to that [05:04] cheersw [05:04] jsgotangco: stupid question how do i create the errata webpage? should i create it in .xml and build it into html like the other docs? [05:06] hmm it'll get packaged if you do it in svn then commit [05:06] :D [05:08] mdke_: the .pot files need to be just included in the package correct? [05:10] yes [05:10] jjesse, we're not doing release notes yet anyway [05:11] mdke_: ok [05:17] hmmm === jsgotangco wonders if its ok to add an example on the packaging guide...it only listed the required packages but no sample [05:18] jsgotangco, I'd ask Laserjock first [05:19] he's got some examples online already [05:19] i'll list my observations in the list [05:19] instead of mucking up his code [05:19] mdke_: online's no good imo [05:20] are they linked in the guide? [05:20] i think that is what he intended [05:20] they're no good if they're not linked (im halfway already in the sweep) [05:21] im also following the examples just to make sure they work in dapper [05:22] (currently in pbuilder section) [05:25] another thing to let him know is that the bugs section appears to be empty [05:25] mdke_: looking forward 3 to 5 years, we'll need a solid errata plan for these docs - we can't just rely on uploading updates imo [05:26] #what updates? [05:26] on the docs :P [05:26] I haven't suggested relying on uploading updates [05:26] wouldn't the package just get updated if there was a change/improvement to the guide? [05:27] mdke_: i didn't say anything about YOU relying on such === jd_ [n=jd@wikipedia/Meanos] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:27] jjesse: sure are you willing to do that for 3 years? :) [05:27] ummmmmmmmm [05:27] my point is for whoever will inherit this work [05:27] jsgotangco, the docs won't need updating, unless the distribution changes, which it won't [05:28] sure things change [05:28] example? [05:28] i can't predict the future [05:29] but the distro is frozen, it won't change [05:29] i dunno if you ever bought a box of software or appliance but there's a reason WHY there are loose leafs of documents included colored pink or yellow to attract your attention [05:30] but if you think its not a necessity, its up to you then i'm just saying this in a QA standpoint [05:31] i don't expect a lot of love happening after a doc is released anyway [05:31] it'll eventually get branched [05:32] i'm certainly not concerned about updates, I believe that the distribution won't change significantly enough to break anything in a doc. that's the whole point of having a frozen distro release cycle [05:34] mdke_: i can only imagine how big the updates will be 2 years from now cheers [05:34] if we make improvements to the kubuntu dekstop guide for example those improvements will show up Dapper+1, not the dapper docs? [05:35] also changes made will screw up translations correct [05:35] jjesse: i dont think its a good idea to upload updates [05:35] hence the need for an external link imo [05:36] that would be made just after the release [05:36] jjesse: exactly [05:36] like i said, pink or yellow loose sheets :) [05:37] jjesse: ever got around to the handhelds section ? [05:37] I still don't see what changes you think will be made to the distribution. All versions are frozen [05:37] robotgeek: no i didn't sorry [05:37] mdke_: i worked in software qa for 5 years :) === jsgotangco goes back to reviewing the packaging guide [05:38] mdke_: can i comment out something? [05:38] jsgotangco, I'm sure you did. But you're ignoring the Ubuntu release policy [05:39] mdke_: lol [05:39] oh well, let's wait and see [05:39] robotgeek, best to delete, I'd say [05:39] mdke_: okay, delete :) [05:40] mdke_: im not uploading something, i'm asking an external permanent link to possible errata that may happen - its something i don't expect a lot of people involved in writing to do it but for a long term release its essential to know what you did before and monitor whatever scrwed up forgotten things that may come out [05:41] mdke_: the way you describe the cycle is that there won't be anything wrong that will happen [05:41] nothing wrong that will affect the docs, certainly. major bugs might be fixed [05:41] mdke_: i'm sorry you see it this way [05:41] robotgeek: do you include any discussion on guidence in your desktop guide? [05:42] jjesse: nope, i don't even know what it is :P [05:42] jsgotangco, perhaps I just don't understand your proposal. Would you email the list about it? [05:42] id rather do something productive for now [05:42] http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases Says dapper is out April ... [05:42] ompaul: please ping heno about this [05:42] k [05:42] robotgeek: http://www.simonzone.com/software/guidance/ [05:43] ompaul: cheers mate [05:43] ompaul, i'll do it [05:43] jjesse: i knew it had something to do with displays, but nothing more [05:43] np [05:43] okay ball is yours mdke_ [05:44] ompaul, well spotted, thanks [05:44] jjesse: nice [05:44] mdke_: deleted and committed [05:45] mdke_: xml2po it now? [05:45] doing it [05:46] did riddell upload already? [05:46] mdke_: i'm not saying you do this now, rather do it later, i don't expect you to do some changes to the same doc even a year from now but somebody will curse how outdated they will be in 2 years cheers [05:46] jsgotangco: online errata/corrections page should be fine, wikified even [05:46] mdke_: i pinged riddell and he said he would take care of it [05:47] robotgeek: thank you [05:49] jsgotangco: that ways, we can copy on for dapper + 1 if applicable [05:49] robotgeek: yup [05:50] but remember, 6.10 will eventually be EOL with 6.06 will still live a few more :) === jd_ [n=jd@wikipedia/Meanos] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:50] ah, nice touch. i don't think i will upgrade to 6.10 (but i always say that) [05:50] does 6.10 have an official name? [05:51] or code name [05:51] robotgeek: yeah enterprise support is scary [05:51] edgy elephant? [05:51] jsgotangco: show me the money :) [05:51] lol [05:51] pink sheets and yellow leaflets for everyone === jd_ [n=jd@wikipedia/Meanos] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:56] mdke_: when do we upload to rosetta, lot of translators asking me :) [05:57] mdke_: gee frozen thanks i'm still halway to review on the packaging guide thank you so much === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Ex-Chat"] [05:57] robotgeek: impatient translators... I think that's a very good thing ;) [05:57] frank23: :) [05:59] mdke_: thanks, just saw email [05:59] blimey, jerome has some problems with me recently [06:00] just wondering... Is there anyone in ubuntu-docs employed by canonical? [06:00] i think dicussion is good [06:00] frank23, no [06:01] robotgeek, what discussion? === LaserJock [n=laserjoc@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:01] mdke_: the whole lulu thing, but i don't know why people get personal [06:02] that's not what it's about. he got just mad because I wrote that email saying docs were frozen [06:02] look at what he said before leaving === mdke_ shrugs [06:02] who? [06:02] jerome [06:02] maybe he's having a bad day? [06:02] yeah [06:03] i hope it's not me, anyway [06:03] hmm, he replied to my email request for a spell/grammar check on the PG [06:04] mdke_: i don't have any problems with you [06:04] if that helps :) [06:05] jjesse: +1 ;-) [06:05] thanks :) [06:09] mdke_: is it possible to have errata pages for docs on the website? [06:10] already? [06:10] just correct them [06:10] well, I was just thinking hypothetically, of course ;-) [06:10] our docs are perfect you know ;p === robotgeek files bug on packaging guide. it doesn't package for me [06:11] LOL [06:13] bbl [06:13] yeah we can do errata, but it won't be translated. I don't think the OS will change in order to necessitate changes, however [06:14] I hope not [06:15] packaging can be a little finicky that way, i.e. my request to store files on doc. because Debian doesn't have them anymore [06:35] mdke_: I'm going to quickly add the doc-base thing to kubuntu before Riddell does a new upload === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.211.155] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:38] LaserJock, ok === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jenda [n=jenda@unaffiliated/jenda] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:50] hello [06:50] hello [06:51] mmm... familiar faces :) [07:05] oh/ [07:17] hmm, why is kubuntu-docs .deb so much bigger (11M) than the ubuntu-docs .deb (609K)? [07:23] are the .pots bigger? [07:24] hmm, maybe but 11M vs 609K ? [07:27] I'll be on a plane during the meeting today [07:28] trappist: there's on-flight internet tee hee === jsgotangco goes back to review [07:28] that'll be cool [07:28] what's the easiest way to remember all the meetings? [07:28] friday 3pm [07:28] err [07:28] depending on where you are :) [07:29] jjesse: iCal :-) [07:29] trappist: what meeting, btw? [07:29] yeah but i always forget when the meetings are to add them [07:30] jjesse: no, fridge has an ical file you subscribe to. it automatically sets it up [07:30] LaserJock: cool, how do i do that in kontact? [07:30] can you add a url? [07:30] somewhere [07:31] like new calendar or something [07:32] jjesse: then use http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event/ical [07:32] as the address [07:34] nothing on the calendar for today [07:36] yeah you'll only be with crickets if you to -meeting heh [07:37] is there a doc team meeting today? === jsgotangco hears crickets chirping now [07:44] I thought they were every friday [07:46] ? we wouldn't have anything to talk about if they were that often :-) [08:29] mdke_: doc-base done [08:31] LaserJock: im going to stop at pbuilder and it works now but the cd part should be commented [08:31] its 2:30am [08:31] :) [08:34] jsgotangco: noted, thanks [09:37] mdke_: hmm, ubuntu-docs is 6.04 but kubuntu-docs is 6.06 [09:38] LaserJock, ubuntu-docs will become 6.06 upon release [09:38] k [09:39] I just wondered it was noticed [09:39] will what is in trunk move to a branch? [09:39] jjesse: I was wondering that myself. I gotta get a head start on Dapper+1 ;-) [09:40] as do I [09:40] I think we will tag actually [09:40] we moved last time [09:40] after doc freeze [09:40] that was a minor disaster [09:40] partly because no one knew aything about how the kubuntu docs were being built [09:41] so will we keep trunk until the day Dapper is released? [09:41] yes [09:41]