[12:10] <trappist> is there an xml file somewhere that includes all the top-level guides' xml files? 
[12:14] <LaserJock> a what, that includes what?
[12:15] <trappist> you know how serverguide.xml includes network-application.xml, and things like that.  looking for something that includes serverguide.xml and all the other top-level guides.
[12:15] <LaserJock> I don't know of one
[12:15] <trappist> yeah me too :/
[12:15] <LaserJock> why?
[12:16] <LaserJock> seems like it would be a huge mess
[12:16] <trappist> was mucking around with validate.sh.  I'd like it to be able to validate all modified files or the whole kitnkaboodle.
[12:16] <trappist> and a file like that would come in handy.
[12:17] <LaserJock> heh, that is what bash scripting is for ;-)
[12:18] <LaserJock> or a neato python script
[12:23] <trappist> yeah, a list of those files would serve the same purpose
[12:26] <LaserJock> hmm, if I ever get this packaging guide done I'd like to make some more scripts for the doc team
[12:26] <LaserJock> trappist: you still busy?
[05:54] <robotgeek> whoops, forgot to update flash plugin info
[06:16] <Burgundavia> hmm, facinating. If you look at the raw numbers for Ubuntu at Distrowatch, we are kicking ass
[06:17] <Burgundavia> we are getting between 2 and 4 times the hits of next most popular, currently tied up amongst mepis, fedora, suse and mandriva
[06:21] <robotgeek> Burgundavia: yay
[06:21] <robotgeek> kubuntu isn't far behind, too
[06:21] <Burgundavia> in real numbers, our one month stat is around 3000 with use climbing to 7000 on Tuesday
[06:21] <Burgundavia> kubuntu is around 500
[06:22] <Burgundavia> that is hits per day, one hit per ip
[06:24] <robotgeek> hey frank23 
[06:24] <frank23> robotgeek: hey. is the kdg rush over?
[06:25] <robotgeek> frank23: i guess it's over, with maybe a handhelds patch from jjesse 
[06:25] <robotgeek> otherwise, we are done. if that patch doesn't come in soon, we delete the section
[06:25] <frank23> ok
[06:26] <robotgeek> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KonversationPublicAway 
[06:26] <frank23> robotgeek: I noticed a few rough spots while reading it but I don't think they're that bad
[06:27] <robotgeek> frank23: which chapters?
[06:28] <frank23> robotgeek: well the one I thought could be most improved is the adept part.  that section basically only tells how to open adept. not how to actually use it
[06:29] <robotgeek> frank23: hmm, yes. at the time of writing, i did not know how adept would change. i left it for later, <sigh>
[06:30] <frank23> robotgeek: yeah. adept is not 'that' hard to figure out. but a general procedure to install a package would have been nice
[06:31] <robotgeek> frank23: yeah, well, atleast the adept guide can help!
[06:31] <frank23> yeah
[06:31] <frank23> true we don't need to reinvent the wheel
[06:31] <robotgeek> jjesse is writing that :)
[06:32] <frank23> the adept guide? 
[06:32] <robotgeek> frank23: or the handbook (help file)
[06:33] <frank23> robotgeek: will the documentation translations be done through rosetta?
[06:33] <robotgeek> frank23: yup
[06:35] <frank23> translating programs seems pretty messy. I looked at the translation mailing list and people were saying that often the upstream translations (for GNOME and KDE) just replace work done in rosetta
[06:35] <frank23> translating ubuntu specific things like docs should be ok though
[06:35] <frank23> I might help with the French translation
[06:36] <robotgeek> frank23: awesome. 
[06:36] <Burgundavia> anything producing by ubuntu will not have upstream replace bits of it
[06:36] <robotgeek> i heard quebec french is different from paris french :P
[06:37] <frank23> robotgeek: well written 
[06:37] <frank23> robotgeek: well written French is pretty standard
[06:37] <frank23> the accent and expressions are certainly pretty different
[06:38] <frank23> Well compare British English and the Texan accent.
[06:38] <frank23> On top of that I'm not actually a Quebecer
[06:38] <robotgeek> frank23: :)
[06:39] <frank23> I'm Acadian
[06:49] <Madpilot> hi all
[06:51] <robotgeek> hey Madpilot 
[06:53] <Madpilot> robitaille, what are you doing at work at 10pm?
[06:53] <robitaille> a long story.  And you know, the climate nevers stops :)
[06:54] <Madpilot> well, yes, but surely the climate computers can run unsupervised overnight?
[06:55] <robitaille> actually I just got here.  Just finishing a few things in the next couple of hours
[07:12] <Madpilot> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MigratingFromWindows
[07:12] <Madpilot> ^^ something I've been meaning to start for a month or three, and want to get into the Dapper+1 UDG
[07:16] <robotgeek> Madpilot: http://openmoveover.sourceforge.net/
[07:18] <Madpilot> robotgeek, cool. Bookmarked for future reference
[07:18] <robotgeek> Madpilot: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BOFs/MigratingToUbuntu
[07:19] <robotgeek> there's the spec :)
[07:19] <robotgeek> Madpilot: http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2006/03/28/tool-to-migrate-from-windows-to-ubuntu-linux/#comments is the original
[07:20] <Madpilot> I was wondering if there was a spec, actually - doesn't look like much has happened on it, though
[07:21] <Burgundavia> they did a bunch of specing at UDU that never got done
[07:21] <Burgundavia> that was before JaneW got hired and kicked ass
[07:22] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: openmoveover is only the linux portion
[07:22] <Madpilot> yeah, was reading the copy there - too bad they didn't open-source the whole pile
[07:22] <Burgundavia> which is not the hard part
[07:23] <Madpilot> as I said in the intro to the page I just created :P
[07:23] <Burgundavia> I would almost keep a migration guide seperate from the desktkop guide
[07:25] <Madpilot> either way, first we need a mirgration guide - I'm going to make notes when I switch Clive's Outlook over this weekend, and google for stuff - I'm sure a lot has already been written
[07:25] <Burgundavia> yep
[07:25] <Burgundavia> there is outstanding bounty of 500 from Novell to write an Outlook to Evolution guide
[07:28] <robotgeek> Madpilot: go for it :)
[07:28] <Madpilot> this is just Outlook Express, thankfully, so it's just address books & emails, not all the rest of the Outlook/Evolution bumpf
[07:28] <Burgundavia> heh
[07:29] <robotgeek> i need to work on my imap "server"
[07:29] <Madpilot> robotgeek, the trouble is that I can't write most of it - I don't have access to Outlook, or to the newest versions of OE (I'll be working with Win98's OE)
[07:29] <robotgeek> i am definetly tired of not having the freedom to switch clients
[07:30] <Burgundavia> I can do the windows stuff
[07:30] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, cool.
[07:30] <Madpilot> The easiest is the IE-to-Firefox, that's just File->Import in FF :P
[07:31] <Madpilot> on the Ubuntu side, anyway. Getting IE to tell you where it hides your bookmarks is a bit harder...
[07:31] <robotgeek> install firefox on windows, import, export :)
[07:32] <Madpilot> robotgeek, that works, but it's messier than just figuring out where Win98/XP/etc hide the IE bookmarks file
[07:33] <robotgeek> Madpilot: true.
[07:33] <Burgundavia> I think IE keeps it in a single file
[07:34] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=211089
[07:34] <Burgundavia> the good people at MS have already considered this
[07:34] <Madpilot> ah, IE does have an Export function - I hadn't thought it did
[07:35] <Burgundavia> I would go into windows to test things, but I would rather not torture myself
[07:36] <Madpilot> does your machine have Outlook or just OE on it?
[07:36] <Burgundavia> oe, but I can get the full version of Outlook
[07:36] <Burgundavia> we shoudl concentrate on OE for now
[07:37] <Madpilot> If Novell is offering public bounties for Outlook stuff, it's beyond what we need to tackle right now!
[07:37] <Burgundavia> yep
[07:37] <rob> ?
[07:40] <Madpilot> rob, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MigratingFromWindows
[07:40] <rob> ah
[07:41] <Madpilot> rob, and Burgundavia's comment somewhere above about Novell offering bounties for Outlook-to-Evolution migration stuff
[07:41] <rob> very nice, you could see why they would want that
[07:42] <Burgundavia> would be nice to write a little tool in python to copy the files and then burn a cd with them
[07:42] <Burgundavia> on the windows side
[07:42] <rob> how closed is the .pst file format?
[07:43] <rob> or rather, how cryptic?
[07:43] <Burgundavia> as closed as any other ms format
[07:43] <Burgundavia> likely just as cryptic
[07:43] <Burgundavia> remember, this is the company that keeps log files in a binary format
[07:43] <rob> knowing MS, probably
[07:46] <robitaille> http://www.mailnavigator.com/reading_ms_outlook_pst_files.html   "The format of MS Outlook mail archives (*.pst) is protected by Microsoft."
[07:46] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuLiveChatSupport
[07:47] <rob> ah, yeah I've seen that one at work before
[07:48] <Burgundavia> umm, the wiki page just got created
[07:49] <robitaille> it's too bad the only gui irc client is gaim in Dapper.... not the best for new users
[07:49] <robitaille> at least it seems irssi is still installed by default :)
[07:50] <Burgundavia> no, but something like that thingy could go a long way towards making it easier to handle joining #ubuntu
[07:50] <robitaille> yes, but once you're there, gaim is a crappy way to interface with irc
[07:51] <rob> correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't xchat also installed by default or has that been changed?
[07:51] <Burgundavia> xchat is no longer isntlaled by default
[07:52] <rob> icky, how come they changed that?
[07:52] <robitaille> so the only irc client installed by default in Dapper  are now gaim, and irssi
[07:52] <robitaille> ...and I'm not sure why irssi is still in that list...
[07:53] <Burgundavia> it is small and text based
[07:53] <rob> irssi and lynx has saved my butt a couple of times before
[07:54] <rob> well, they have
[07:54] <robitaille> I personally prefer elinks over lynx.  But neither lynx or elinks are installed by default
[07:55] <rob> I'm not really refering to Ubuntu though
[07:55] <rob> generally its some other distro and an upgrade has broken something, etc
[07:56] <robitaille> I use elinks/mutt/irssi on a daily basis.  Small memory footprint, works over an ssh connections...pefect tools for the CLI oldtimer in me :)
[08:55] <mdke_> morning
[08:57] <Burgundavia> salut mdke_
[08:58] <LaserJock> hi mdke_ 
[08:59] <mdke_> how's it going?
[09:00] <Burgundavia> not bad
[09:00] <Burgundavia> did you see the cool irc stuff that joel is cooking up?
[09:01] <mdke_> no...
[09:01] <Burgundavia> scroll back up
[09:02] <mdke_> don't see it. Maybe I was disconnected
[09:02] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuLiveChatSupport
[09:03] <Burgundavia> and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SensibleIRCHandler
[09:04] <mdke_> is that intended for dapper?
[09:04] <Burgundavia> no idea
[09:04] <Madpilot> I should actually try GAIM next time I run the Dapper LiveCD - I'll probably come running back to XChat, as kludgy as it is... :P
[09:04] <Burgundavia> it is done by the a community member
[09:04] <Burgundavia> gaim is pretty cludgy to get going
[09:05] <Burgundavia> it is about 10 steps to get into #ubuntu
[09:05] <Madpilot> lovely
[09:05] <Madpilot> worse than XChat-Gnome, then
[09:06] <Madpilot> mdke_, far more modest, but I just started this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MigratingFromWindows
[09:06] <mdke_> cool idea
[09:06] <mdke_> hey, xchat-gnome rocks
[09:07] <Madpilot> you've got a strange definition of "rocks", then :P
[09:07] <mdke_> i love it
[09:07] <Burgundavia> it has some quirky issues with the network connection/choosing dialog
[09:07] <mdke_> if that irc thing goes into dapper, that will mean a fair amount of work on the docs
[09:08] <Madpilot> XChat is hard to use, but highly configurable. XChat-Gnome is hard to use, and totally unconfigurable - worst of both worlds, IMO
[09:09] <mdke_> i find it easy to use
[09:10] <Madpilot> mdke_, start with a stock install of XChat - launch it, and it goes right to #ubuntu. A stock XChat-Gnome just sits there after being launched
[09:10] <mdke_> that's a bug
[09:10] <mdke_> Madpilot, ok, so desktop guide is alright?
[09:10] <Madpilot> mdke_, sure - we can freeze it and unleash the translators, I think
[09:10] <mdke_> i hope you don't mind but i removed quite a lot of stuff that I thought was pretty irrelevant
[09:11] <mdke_> quite obscure workarounds and so on
[09:11] <bhuvan> mdke_: couple of hours i did some typo fix in sg. i assume it's ok
[09:11] <Madpilot> yeah, I was following the commits as best I could from work today - looks like you cleaned up a lot of the Firefox bumpf, and other stuff
[09:12] <mdke_> bhuvan, good, trappist found some more errors too
[09:13] <mdke_> bhuvan, he has posted to various mailing lists asking for feedback, so I will wait and see if there is any response
[09:13] <bhuvan> mdke_: excellent
[09:13] <mdke_> robotgeek, kubuntu stuff?
[09:14] <Madpilot> it looks like trappist proofread the entire SVN repo in the last two or three days, by the commit reports!
[09:14] <mdke_> yeah
[09:16] <mdke_> ok see ya later
[09:19] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: think I should compare Scribus to InDesign?
[09:20] <Madpilot> you probably could - it's certainly got more firepower than, say, MS Publisher
[09:26] <Madpilot> bleh - the actual Scribus website doesn't seem to have an "About Scribus" section... :P
[09:31] <Burgundavia> what are other big touch typing teaching programs?
[09:43] <Burgundavia> night all
[09:55] <LaserJock> mdke_: ping?
[09:57] <LaserJock> trappist: ping?
[10:01] <mdke_> LaserJock, pong
[10:02] <LaserJock> mdke_: I think I just commited the last of the packaging guide
[10:02] <mdke_> LaserJock, woohoo
[10:02] <LaserJock> mdke_: but it is 1:00 am local time and I'd like for someone to check over a few sections for spelling/grammar
[10:03] <LaserJock> fresh eyes
[10:03] <LaserJock> do you know what trappist's TZ is?
[10:03] <mdke_> LaserJock, fine. Jolly well done
[10:03] <mdke_> something american, I think
[10:03] <LaserJock> hmm :/
[10:04] <LaserJock> I'm sending an email to the list
[10:04] <LaserJock> and when doc.ubuntu.com gets rebuilt I'll send an email to -motu and -devel
[10:04] <LaserJock> mdke_: sound ok?
[10:05] <mdke_> LaserJock, yep. I'll wait and see if trappist has anything to do on it, then do some translations, and if it needs to be changed later, so be it
[10:06] <LaserJock> ok
[10:07] <LaserJock> I've had a couple packaging newbs go through it pretty extensively yesterday and today and I think it is fairly solid
[10:07] <mdke_> great
[10:10] <LaserJock> good night
[11:28] <mdke_> trappist, when you wake up, I'm gonna wait for your go-ahead on the server and packaging guides before doing translation templates. Jordan wanted you to take a last look at the PG
[03:17] <mdke_> jjesse, robotgeek, kubuntu docs are ready to go?
[03:37] <trappist> mdke_: I'm sure if I went through them again I'd find some more changes to make, but I think it's safe to send both docs to the translators.
[03:45] <mdke_> trappist, good, thanks. off I go
[04:46] <jjesse> mdke_: as far as i know
[04:53] <jjesse> i think i need to put some info for guidence and knetworkmanager in release notes
[04:54] <jsgotangco> jjesse: you can make an online errata page in help if needed if the release notes gets too hairy a few weeks before release
[04:54] <jsgotangco> help.ubuntu.com rather
[04:55] <jjesse> jsgotangco: sure, would that just be a new doc then?  errrata.xml?
[04:55] <jsgotangco> jjesse: no i mean have it online - then make a link from your releasenotes in the distro
[04:56] <jsgotangco> jjesse: because changes will definitely happen a few days before relesae
[04:56] <jjesse> jsgotangco: sure can that would be on help.ubuntu.com and not the wiki? (wiki.ubuntu.com)
[04:56] <jsgotangco> jjesse: sure its our server anyways
[04:57] <jjesse> jsgotangco: ok 
[04:58] <mdke_> jjesse, right, well if the dg and aboutkubuntu are ready, please ask riddell to do an upload with the new pot files in
[04:58] <jjesse> mdke_: ok, did robotgeek respond to your questioN?
[04:58] <mdke_> jjesse, no
[05:00] <jjesse> mdke_: sent riddell a not to upload the new pot files
[05:01] <jsgotangco> mdke_: is the docteam website still the wiki? or should it be doc.ubuntu.com?
[05:02] <mdke_> jsgotangco, i don't think there is a right answer to that
[05:04] <jsgotangco> cheersw
[05:04] <jjesse> jsgotangco: stupid question how do i create the errata webpage?  should i create it in .xml and build it into html like the other docs?
[05:06] <jsgotangco> hmm it'll get packaged if you do it in svn then commit
[05:06] <jsgotangco> :D
[05:08] <jjesse> mdke_: the .pot files need to be just included in the package correct?
[05:10] <mdke_> yes
[05:10] <mdke_> jjesse, we're not doing release notes yet anyway
[05:11] <jjesse> mdke_: ok
[05:17] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[05:18] <mdke_> jsgotangco, I'd ask Laserjock first
[05:19] <mdke_> he's got some examples online already
[05:19] <jsgotangco> i'll list my observations in the list
[05:19] <jsgotangco> instead of mucking up his code
[05:19] <jsgotangco> mdke_: online's no good imo
[05:20] <mdke_> are they linked in the guide?
[05:20] <mdke_> i think that is what he intended
[05:20] <jsgotangco> they're no good if they're not linked (im halfway already in the sweep)
[05:21] <jsgotangco> im also following the examples just to make sure they work in dapper
[05:22] <jsgotangco> (currently in pbuilder section)
[05:25] <mdke_> another thing to let him know is that the bugs section appears to be empty
[05:25] <jsgotangco> mdke_: looking forward 3 to 5 years, we'll need a solid errata plan for these docs -  we can't just rely on uploading updates imo
[05:26] <mdke_> #what updates?
[05:26] <jsgotangco> on the docs :P
[05:26] <mdke_> I haven't suggested relying on uploading updates
[05:26] <jjesse> wouldn't the package just get updated if there was a change/improvement to the guide?
[05:27] <jsgotangco> mdke_: i didn't say anything about YOU relying on such
[05:27] <jsgotangco> jjesse: sure are you willing to do that for 3 years? :)
[05:27] <jjesse> ummmmmmmmm
[05:27] <jsgotangco> my point is for whoever will inherit this work
[05:27] <mdke_> jsgotangco, the docs won't need updating, unless the distribution changes, which it won't
[05:28] <jsgotangco> sure things change
[05:28] <mdke_> example?
[05:28] <jsgotangco> i can't predict the future
[05:29] <mdke_> but the distro is frozen, it won't change
[05:29] <jsgotangco> i dunno if you ever bought a box of software or appliance but there's a reason WHY there are loose leafs of documents included colored pink or yellow to attract your attention
[05:30] <jsgotangco> but if you think its not a necessity, its up to you then i'm just saying this in a QA standpoint
[05:31] <jsgotangco> i don't expect a lot of love happening after a doc is released anyway
[05:31] <jsgotangco> it'll eventually get branched
[05:32] <mdke_> i'm certainly not concerned about updates, I believe that the distribution won't change significantly enough to break anything in a doc. that's the whole point of having a frozen distro release cycle
[05:34] <jsgotangco> mdke_: i can only imagine how big the updates will be 2 years from now cheers
[05:34] <jjesse> if we make improvements to the kubuntu dekstop guide for example those improvements will show up Dapper+1, not the dapper docs?
[05:35] <jjesse> also changes made will screw up translations correct
[05:35] <jsgotangco> jjesse: i dont think its a good idea to upload updates
[05:35] <jsgotangco> hence the need for an external link imo
[05:36] <jjesse> that would be made just after the release
[05:36] <jsgotangco> jjesse: exactly
[05:36] <jsgotangco> like i said, pink or yellow loose sheets :)
[05:37] <robotgeek> jjesse: ever got around to the handhelds section ?
[05:37] <mdke_> I still don't see what changes you think will be made to the distribution. All versions are frozen
[05:37] <jjesse> robotgeek: no i didn't sorry
[05:37] <jsgotangco> mdke_: i worked in software qa for 5 years :)
[05:38] <robotgeek> mdke_: can i comment out something?
[05:38] <mdke_> jsgotangco, I'm sure you did. But you're ignoring the Ubuntu release policy
[05:39] <jsgotangco> mdke_: lol
[05:39] <mdke_> oh well, let's wait and see
[05:39] <mdke_> robotgeek, best to delete, I'd say
[05:39] <robotgeek> mdke_: okay, delete :)
[05:40] <jsgotangco> mdke_: im not uploading something, i'm asking an external permanent link to possible errata that may happen - its something i don't expect a lot of people involved in writing to do it but for a long term release its essential to know what you did before and monitor whatever scrwed up forgotten things that may come out
[05:41] <jsgotangco> mdke_: the way you describe the cycle is that there won't be anything wrong that will happen
[05:41] <mdke_> nothing wrong that will affect the docs, certainly. major bugs might be fixed
[05:41] <jsgotangco> mdke_: i'm sorry you see it this way 
[05:41] <jjesse> robotgeek: do you include any discussion on guidence in your desktop guide?
[05:42] <robotgeek> jjesse: nope, i don't even know what it is :P
[05:42] <mdke_> jsgotangco, perhaps I just don't understand your proposal. Would you email the list about it?
[05:42] <jsgotangco> id rather do something productive for now
[05:42] <ompaul> http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases Says dapper is out April ...
[05:42] <jsgotangco> ompaul: please ping heno about this
[05:42] <ompaul> k
[05:42] <jjesse> robotgeek: http://www.simonzone.com/software/guidance/
[05:43] <jsgotangco> ompaul: cheers mate
[05:43] <mdke_> ompaul, i'll do it
[05:43] <robotgeek> jjesse: i knew it had something to do with displays, but nothing more
[05:43] <ompaul> np
[05:43] <ompaul> okay ball is yours mdke_ 
[05:44] <mdke_> ompaul, well spotted, thanks
[05:44] <robotgeek> jjesse: nice 
[05:44] <robotgeek> mdke_: deleted and committed
[05:45] <robotgeek> mdke_: xml2po it now?
[05:45] <mdke_> doing it
[05:46] <mdke_> did riddell upload already?
[05:46] <jsgotangco> mdke_: i'm not saying you do this now, rather do it later, i don't expect you to do some changes to the same doc even a year from now but somebody will curse how outdated they will be in 2 years cheers
[05:46] <robotgeek> jsgotangco: online errata/corrections page should be fine, wikified even
[05:46] <jjesse> mdke_: i pinged riddell and he said he would take care of it
[05:47] <jsgotangco> robotgeek: thank you
[05:49] <robotgeek> jsgotangco: that ways, we can copy on for dapper + 1 if applicable
[05:49] <jsgotangco> robotgeek: yup
[05:50] <jsgotangco> but remember, 6.10 will eventually be EOL with 6.06 will still live a few more :)
[05:50] <robotgeek> ah, nice touch. i don't think i will upgrade to 6.10 (but i always say that)
[05:50] <jjesse> does 6.10 have an official name?
[05:51] <jjesse> or code name
[05:51] <jsgotangco> robotgeek: yeah enterprise support is scary
[05:51] <robotgeek> edgy elephant?
[05:51] <robotgeek> jsgotangco: show me the money :)
[05:51] <jsgotangco> lol
[05:51] <jsgotangco> pink sheets and yellow leaflets for everyone
[05:56] <robotgeek> mdke_: when do we upload to rosetta, lot of translators asking me :)
[05:57] <jsgotangco> mdke_: gee frozen thanks i'm still halway to review on the packaging guide thank you so much
[05:57] <frank23> robotgeek: impatient translators...  I think that's a very good thing ;)
[05:57] <robotgeek> frank23: :)
[05:59] <robotgeek> mdke_: thanks, just saw email
[05:59] <mdke_> blimey, jerome has some problems with me recently
[06:00] <frank23> just wondering...  Is there anyone in ubuntu-docs employed by canonical?
[06:00] <robotgeek> i think dicussion is good
[06:00] <mdke_> frank23, no
[06:01] <mdke_> robotgeek, what discussion?
[06:01] <robotgeek> mdke_: the whole lulu thing, but i don't know why people get personal
[06:02] <mdke_> that's not what it's about. he got just mad because I wrote that email saying docs were frozen
[06:02] <mdke_> look at what he said before leaving
[06:02] <LaserJock> who?
[06:02] <jjesse> jerome
[06:02] <jjesse> maybe he's having a bad day?
[06:02] <mdke_> yeah
[06:03] <mdke_> i hope it's not me, anyway
[06:03] <LaserJock> hmm, he replied to my email request for a spell/grammar check on the PG
[06:04] <jjesse> mdke_: i don't have any problems with you
[06:04] <jjesse> if that helps :)
[06:05] <LaserJock> jjesse: +1 ;-)
[06:05] <mdke_> thanks :)
[06:09] <LaserJock> mdke_: is it possible to have errata pages for docs on the website?
[06:10] <mdke_> already?
[06:10] <mdke_> just correct them
[06:10] <LaserJock> well, I was just thinking hypothetically, of course ;-)
[06:10] <LaserJock> our docs are perfect you know ;p
[06:11] <LaserJock> LOL
[06:13] <robotgeek> bbl
[06:13] <mdke_> yeah we can do errata, but it won't be translated. I don't think the OS will change in order to necessitate changes, however
[06:14] <LaserJock> I hope not
[06:15] <LaserJock> packaging can be a little finicky that way, i.e. my request to store files on doc. because Debian doesn't have them anymore
[06:35] <LaserJock> mdke_: I'm going to quickly add the doc-base thing to kubuntu before Riddell does a new upload
[06:38] <mdke_> LaserJock, ok
[06:50] <jenda> hello
[06:50] <jjesse> hello
[06:51] <jenda> mmm... familiar faces :)
[07:05] <jsgotangco> oh/
[07:17] <LaserJock> hmm, why is kubuntu-docs .deb so much bigger (11M) than the ubuntu-docs .deb (609K)?
[07:23] <jjesse> are the .pots bigger?
[07:24] <LaserJock> hmm, maybe but 11M vs 609K ?
[07:27] <trappist> I'll be on a plane during the meeting today
[07:28] <jsgotangco> trappist: there's on-flight internet tee hee
[07:28] <trappist> that'll be cool
[07:28] <jjesse> what's the easiest way to remember all the meetings? 
[07:28] <trappist> friday 3pm
[07:28] <trappist> err 
[07:28] <trappist> depending on where you are :)
[07:29] <LaserJock> jjesse: iCal :-)
[07:29] <LaserJock> trappist: what meeting, btw?
[07:29] <jjesse> yeah but i always forget when the meetings are to add them
[07:30] <LaserJock> jjesse: no, fridge has an ical file you subscribe to. it automatically sets it up
[07:30] <jjesse> LaserJock: cool, how do i do that in kontact?
[07:30] <LaserJock> can you add a url?
[07:30] <LaserJock> somewhere
[07:31] <LaserJock> like new calendar or something
[07:32] <LaserJock> jjesse: then use http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event/ical
[07:32] <LaserJock> as the address
[07:34] <jjesse> nothing on the calendar for today
[07:36] <jsgotangco> yeah you'll only be with crickets if you to -meeting heh
[07:37] <jjesse> is there a doc team meeting today?
[07:44] <trappist> I thought they were every friday
[07:46] <LaserJock> ? we wouldn't have anything to talk about if they were that often :-)
[08:29] <LaserJock> mdke_: doc-base done
[08:31] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: im going to stop at pbuilder and it works now but the cd part should be commented
[08:31] <jsgotangco> its 2:30am
[08:31] <jsgotangco> :)
[08:34] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: noted, thanks
[09:37] <LaserJock> mdke_: hmm, ubuntu-docs is 6.04 but kubuntu-docs is 6.06
[09:38] <Burgwork> LaserJock, ubuntu-docs will become 6.06 upon release
[09:38] <LaserJock> k
[09:39] <LaserJock> I just wondered it was noticed
[09:39] <jjesse> will what is in trunk move to a branch?
[09:39] <LaserJock> jjesse: I was wondering that myself. I gotta get a head start on Dapper+1 ;-)
[09:40] <Burgwork> as do I
[09:40] <Burgwork> I think we will tag actually
[09:40] <jjesse> we moved last time
[09:40] <jjesse> after doc freeze
[09:40] <Burgwork> that was a minor disaster
[09:40] <jjesse> partly because no one knew aything about how the kubuntu docs were being built
[09:41] <LaserJock> so will we keep trunk until the day Dapper is released?
[09:41] <Burgwork> yes
[09:41] <LaserJock> k
[09:41] <jjesse> for release notes
[09:41] <Burgwork> I am not an svn expert
[09:41] <LaserJock> nor I
[10:16] <LaserJock> trappist: ping?
[10:24] <mdke> LaserJock, yeah, I think daniel goes month by month for ubuntu-docs
[10:24] <mdke> thanks for doing doc-base dude
[10:27] <jjesse> the adept guide wasn't made a part of any doc package correct?  
[10:27] <LaserJock> umm, it is in kubuntu-docs
[10:27] <mdke> what lj said
[10:28] <jjesse> i thought just the about desktop guide and release notes were in kubuntu docs? cause its woefully out of date 
[10:28] <mdke> jjesse, open khelpcenter and you'll see what is there
[10:28] <LaserJock> jjesse: the serverguide and packaging guide are also there
[10:29] <jjesse> i have release notes about kubuntu kubuntu desktop guide, kubuntu packaging guide, kubuntu server guide
[10:29] <mdke> the adept guide is not in the kubuntu category I think, but it is there somewhere
[10:30] <LaserJock> mdke: btw, the Kubuntu docs look great in dhelp, I wish the ubuntu docs would work with it too
[10:30] <jjesse> not in my khelpcenter
[10:31] <jjesse> since adept guide is going to be put upstream when i re write the whole darn thing it shouldn't be a part of the kubuntu docs package
[10:33] <mdke> LaserJock, how come they don't?
[10:34] <mdke> jjesse, ok, I'll take care of it. You're sure it shouldn't be there even for dapper?
[10:34] <jjesse> yes i'm totally sure
[10:34] <mdke> okies
[10:34] <jjesse> adept has been totally restructured since the guide was written by troywilliams
[10:35] <mdke> oh yeah, it's been removed from khelpcenter already, good
[10:35] <jjesse> see wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDocs for the docs we did for Dapper :)
[10:36] <mdke> it still gets installed to usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/adept/
[10:37] <jjesse> but it is not linked anywhere
[10:37] <jjesse> either thru adept or khelpcenter
[10:38] <jjesse> hmm work is over, have a great rest of friday :)
[10:38] <mdke> you too
[10:38] <jjesse> wife's birthday so taking her out to dinner
[10:39] <LaserJock> cya jjesse 
[10:39] <mdke> cool, have fun
[10:39] <LaserJock> mdke: dhelp only works on files installed to /usr/share/doc/
[10:39] <mdke> LaserJock, nuking debian/kubuntu-adept
[10:43] <LaserJock> mdke: did you commit that?
[10:43] <mdke> yes
[10:44] <LaserJock> I see it, cool.
[10:44] <mdke> ok, later.
[10:44] <mdke> oh by the way, we should think about what we're gonna do re: branching and stuff
[10:44] <mdke> I haven't got a firm view at the moment
[10:46] <LaserJock> cya mdke