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cbx33nn all12:04
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bddebianHeya gang12:25
LaserJockhi bddebian!12:26
ajmitchhi12:28
bddebianHi LaserJock, ajmitch12:31
LaserJockdarn, I wish doc writing gave karma, I'm almost to 500012:32
bddebianDoh, I'd better get to work then.. ;-P12:32
LaserJockyou better:-)12:33
LaserJockI still have 1000 to catch up to you though12:33
bddebianIs LP having problems?12:34
LaserJockseems to work for me12:35
bddebianHmm12:36
bddebianSo for this DhIconCache stuff we just need to add dh_iconcache to debian/rules and thats it?12:37
LaserJockthat was my reading of the email anyway12:40
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bddebianHello jaldhar12:51
Marticusit seems my laptop doesn't like ubuntu, or the other way around12:54
Marticusit's now crashing upon downloading libmysqlclient during 'base-config new' process12:55
Marticuspretty colors and stuff12:55
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jaldharbddebian: belated hello.  It's hard to irc when you're trying to stop your kids from killing each other01:07
bddebianjaldhar: Heh, I know that feeling :-)01:08
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bddebianDamn I hate this time of night03:25
bddebiancrimsun: You up?03:25
tsengbddebian: woo03:26
bddebianHeya tseng03:26
tsengsaw the phillies yesterday03:26
bddebiantseng: I'm sorry :-)03:26
tsengwent by Valley Forge03:26
bddebianShould we still have 1c2 packages out there?03:26
ajmitchbddebian: yes03:30
crimsunbddebian: yes03:30
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ajmitchc2 ->c2a was just a couple of symbols, not a whole new ABI03:31
bddebianHmm, why the hell does libtyvis1-dev depend libtyvis1 then instead of libtyvis1c2?03:34
bddebianStupid shlibs03:34
lifelessajmitch: if symbols are broken, it should change :)03:36
ajmitchlifeless: sure, but only a select few libraries were affected03:36
lifelessajmitch: and all local builds on all users machines ?03:36
bddebianCan I get away with a simple rebuild?03:37
ajmitchI don't know the details - it was in the mail about the libstdc++ allocator change03:37
lifelesswhat I'm saying is - symbol borkage is a qualitative change not a quantitative change03:37
ajmitchbddebian: I don't know, you should check :)03:37
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ajmitchlifeless: yes, and doko generated a list of libraries that used those two symbols in any way03:38
ajmitchhttp://lwn.net/Articles/162102/03:38
ajmitchI trust him more than my explanations :)03:38
bddebianHmm, libwarped0-dev is b0rked too03:40
bddebianGrr03:40
bddebianHmm, mpich is in main..  ajmitch, wanna fix that for me? :-)03:41
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lifelessajmitch: right, so like I thought, local builds are fuck-fucked03:42
ajmitchbddebian: why is it broken?03:42
lifelesswe gotta find better ways to manage this03:42
bddebianajmitch: Dunno, it's main so I didn't touch it03:43
bddebianajmitch: want me to take a look at it?03:44
ajmitchbddebian: explain what needs fixed first03:44
bddebianIt's uninstallable03:44
ajmitchwhich part?03:44
bddebianbdefreese@bdubuntu1:~/devel/mpich$ sudo apt-get install mpich03:45
bddebianReading package lists... Done03:45
bddebianBuilding dependency tree... Done03:45
bddebianPackage mpich is not available, but is referred to by another package.03:45
bddebianThis may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or03:45
bddebianis only available from another source03:45
bddebianE: Package mpich has no installation candidate03:45
ajmitchuh03:45
ajmitchthat's not saying it's uninstallable03:45
bddebianIt's not?03:45
ajmitchthat says there's no mpich binary package03:45
bddebianWhich makes it uninstallable :-)03:45
ajmitchbut something else refers to it03:45
Toadstoolg'night motus :)03:46
bddebianajmitch: Yeah, libwarped0-dev03:46
ajmitchie, mpich itself is *not* broken03:46
ajmitchfwiw, there's a much newer upstream version in debian03:48
ajmitchthat has correct dependencies03:48
bddebianSo get it :-)03:49
ajmitchwhy are you telling me to? you're the one fixing it03:49
bddebianAre you talking about tyvis or mpich?03:52
ajmitchmpich03:53
ajmitchor tyvis03:53
ajmitchwhichever you're working on03:53
bddebiantyvis -> build-dep libwarped0-dev -> build-dep mpich03:53
ajmitchso fix warped03:54
bddebianmpich is a main package03:54
ajmitchI just told you, mpich is *not* broken03:54
ajmitchany more than x.org being broken because stuff still build-depends on xlibs-dev03:54
bddebianWTF are you talking about?03:55
Lathiati think hes saying that03:56
Lathiatlibwarped0-dev should not b-d on mpich03:56
Lathiat?03:56
ajmitchwarped is broken, ok? I said that there's a newer version in debian with correct {build-,}depends03:56
ajmitchmpich was split into binary & library packages03:57
bddebianOK, so what is the mpich binary?03:59
ajmitchapt-cache showsrc mpich03:59
ajmitchBinary: libmpich1.0c2, libmpich1.0-dev, mpi-doc, libmpich-mpd1.0c2, libmpich-shmem1.0-dev, mpich-shmem-bin, libmpich-mpd1.0-dev, mpe-source, mpich-bin, mpich-mpd-bin, libmpich-shmem1.0c203:59
bddebianAh, OK03:59
bddebianHmm, the newer warped would be a UVF exception04:06
ajmitchyes, I said it was a new upstream04:06
bddebianlamez0r04:07
bddebianajmitch: You know anything about the dh_iconcache thing?04:09
ajmitchno04:10
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bddebianWell at least ajmitch still loves me :-)04:18
ajmitchsure..04:19
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bddebianHey LaserJock (Mr Science Team :-) ) You need to get the newer warped package from Debian :-)04:25
LaserJockyeah, just reading your bug eail04:26
LaserJockemail even04:26
Kyralhey bddebian (Mr. HURD) :P04:26
bddebianKyral: :-)04:26
LaserJockI checked into that bug like a month ago04:26
Kyraland I'm Mr.ArchLinux ATM lol04:26
LaserJockbddebian: so a sync of libwarped would fix the problem?04:27
bddebianLaserJock: It's a start.  Then need to try a rebuild of tyvis04:28
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bddebianKyral: ArchLinux?04:28
Kyralyah04:28
KyralI'm giving it a whirl until Dapper+1 opens :P04:28
LaserJockbddebian: ok, I'll try to look at that after I finish the packaging guide tonight04:28
Kyral...there is a Hong Kong LoCoTeam right....04:29
bddebianLaserJock: Well it would be a UVF exception :-(04:29
LaserJockno problemo ;-)04:29
LaserJockI would think fixing some unmet deps/FTBFS bugs would warrant a UVF exception.04:31
LaserJockhmm, and I still need to fakesync gausssum :/04:32
crimsunsyncs are purportedly working again04:32
LaserJockyeah?04:32
LaserJockhmm, I wonder if old syncs are going to be proccessed04:33
LaserJockmine was from Feb. I think04:33
LaserJockdarn it, stupid mem leak. I'm going to have to restart my computer soon04:38
LaserJockI'll be so happy when I can wipe this install and start over.04:39
bddebianHeh04:39
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VoXi could be wrong, but i think the ubuntu-artwork package for amd64 is having issues04:40
VoXhttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1165004:40
LaserJockI just can't figure out how it take my computer less than a day to fill 756M of RAM and 486M of swap04:44
ajmitchLaserJock: is that all?04:45
LaserJockyeah, but I haven't done much of anything with the computer04:45
ajmitchX & firefox are probably the top 2 reported users of ram04:46
ajmitch-/+ buffers/cache:    3266376     78023604:46
LaserJockX is taking 363M right now04:46
ajmitchsome of that is misreported by top04:46
Lathiatrun Xrestop04:47
LaserJockLathiat: do I need to install that? I don't find it04:48
crimsun  xrestop |      0.3-3 | http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/main Packages04:49
LaserJockk, I'll install it in a sec. I'm dist-upgrading04:49
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LaserJocklast night my computer ground to a halt after ~ 6 hrs of working04:50
ajmitchthat's bad04:50
LaserJockall the RAM was used and it was swapping like crazy04:50
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na7ehi04:50
ajmitchand my laptop runs just fine with only 1GB RAM :)04:50
ajmitchhello04:50
ajmitchby 'fine', I mean like this:04:51
ajmitch-/+ buffers/cache:     906028     11906404:51
ajmitchSwap:      1048568     499172     54939604:51
LaserJockajmitch: yeah, it started after one of the kernel upgrades in Jan. I think04:51
ajmitchof course about 500MB of that is firefox04:51
VoXff is such a resource whore04:52
LaserJockI'm not running anything but synaptic and a terminal at this point04:52
LaserJockI was just finishing doc writing for the night last night when it started freezing up04:54
LaserJockthank goodness I had just committed04:55
Lathiatswapping seems to take 100% priority over everything else04:56
Lathiatwhich is a bit of a bitch04:56
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LaserJockLathiat: do I want pxm mem ?05:02
LaserJockI'm guess this might be the problem:05:05
LaserJockres-base Wins  GCs Fnts Pxms Misc   Pxm mem  Other   Total   PID Identifier05:05
LaserJock2200000    14   18    0 6689    9   668800K    984B 668800K  4954 sensors-applet05:05
LaserJock1800000    32  131    0  748   35    74075K      4K  74080K  4954 wnck-applet05:05
LaserJockmaybe I will just not run the sensors applet05:08
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LaserJockLathiat: if that works, I'll owe you a drink ;-)05:13
Lathiat:)05:19
Lathiatwhat is the sensors applet?05:19
Lathiatand yeh thats pixel map memory05:19
Lathiatso that means the sensors applet is leaking pixmaps05:19
Lathiatand is why your running out of rma05:20
Lathiat:)05:20
LaserJockthat is just the temperature sensor applet I have05:20
LaserJockLathiat: you da man!!!05:27
Lathiat:)05:27
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bddebianAre bitmaps OK for icon files?05:57
Se7hnot realy, too big06:01
Se7h..i guess06:01
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LaserJockare .xpm bitmaps?06:02
bddebianDunno, xboard only has .bm files afaict :-(06:03
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bddebianIs there a "generic" icon file in /usr/share/pixmap to use for apps that don't have icon files?06:10
Se7hmaybe a a black white paper06:11
Se7hlol06:11
crimsunthat question was asked in the hoary dev cycle, and the conclusion is that there isn't one and that upstream should be pestered to include an appropriate icon06:11
Se7hi wouldn't have said better06:14
Se7hbtw, question06:15
Se7hcan a package be release first for ubuntu then for debian?06:16
GloubiboulgaSe7h, you mean, can we have a package in ubuntu which is not in debian?06:17
Gloubiboulgahi btw06:18
Se7hwell, that i guess we can06:18
Se7hhi06:18
Se7hbut imagina a package being release into ubuntu with version 0ubuntu106:18
Se7hwhat would be debians version ?06:18
Gloubiboulga<version>-106:18
Gloubiboulgaand the debian package will come in ubuntu during the merge/sync process of the next release I think06:19
Se7hhumm..ok06:19
Se7hty :)06:19
Gloubiboulgano prob :)06:20
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Se7hok that sucked real hard06:22
bddebiancrimsun: Ah OK, thx.  So any point in creating a .desktop file for a package with no icon?06:25
crimsunbddebian: I think so, particularly if there was no correct menu entry prior06:25
bddebianOK06:25
Se7hi asked that about version, cus im packaging something for ubuntu that is being package to debian also, and i didn't want to upload nothing without being in debian first06:27
crimsunjust beware of the orig.tar.gz snags.06:28
Se7hyes, thats what i thought about06:29
Se7ho contacted him06:29
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Se7hi hadn't the time to check the diff en dsc files he sent, but i just want to compare where he's planning to install nad stuff...06:31
Se7h*and06:31
Se7hxish...i need to rest,. Slepd 5h and its 5.31am already06:31
Se7hcya guys...later06:31
Gloubiboulgagood night Se7h06:32
bddebianYeah, better get my old arse to bed too gnight folks06:35
ajmitchnight bddebian06:35
bddebianGnight sweetpea ;-P06:36
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Gloubiboulgahi Hobbsee07:53
ajmitchhi Hobbsee07:53
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Hobbseeguess i could ask for programming help here, hey..07:53
ajmitchsure07:53
ajmitchif you fix my code :)07:53
Hobbseehehe07:54
ajmitchwhat's the problem?07:55
Hobbseehttp://online.mq.edu.au/pub/COMP155/assignments/ass2/assignment2.html07:55
Hobbseesection A - characters are read from a file07:55
Hobbseethe problem is, what should the condition on that loop be?  ideally, it should be "while there is something still in the file, do this"07:56
Hobbseei thought i'd had something similar written down, but i cant find it in my notes at all...07:56
Hobbseeajmitch: any idea?07:59
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ajmitchsorry, got distracted :)08:01
ajmitchlike while(!EOF) { ... } ?08:01
Hobbseei'm not sure08:01
Hobbseemight work08:02
ajmitcheww, inflicting c++ on 1st year students08:02
Hobbseehehe08:02
ajmitchor you do while( (n=read(fd, buffer, 1) ) { ... }08:03
ajmitchor similar08:03
ajmitchthough it's c++08:03
ajmitchso I don't know if you get marked down for C-isms :)08:04
Hobbseehmmm...08:06
Hobbseefirst one doesnt seem to work, or i have the syntax wrong08:06
Hobbseethe latter, i suspect08:06
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zakamehi all08:08
zakameToadZzZztool: ping08:08
Hobbseeajmitch: brilliant!  thanks!08:09
Hobbseeajmitch:     "while (! myfile.eof() )" is the syntax08:10
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ajmitchHobbsee: great, now write my raytracer for me ;)08:16
Hobbseehehe08:16
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alleeajmitch: was there already a talk (with doko?) about python2.3 mods in main to still support third party software that still depends on 2.3 (e.g. bug 37625 uninstallable and FTBFS)08:52
nomedhi all09:20
nomedone question ..09:20
nomedi see there are many pkges that Suggests msttcorefonts ...09:20
nomedthat it doesn't seem available .. is this to consider a bug ?09:21
Tm_Tnope09:21
Tm_Thttp://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/x11/msttcorefonts09:22
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pefhello11:01
pefwhat's the command to refresh KDE/gnome menu entries with files present in /usr/share/applications/ ?11:01
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Toadstoolhi here11:15
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zakamehi al11:25
zakamel11:25
Toadstoolheya zakame11:26
Toadstoolpong11:26
Toadstool;)11:26
zakameheya Toadstool ! :)11:26
zakameToadstool: just to let you know, it would perhaps be better to set "Fix Committed" only if the updated package has hit the archive, "Fix Released" if it builds on all archs and is installed11:27
Toadstoolhum ok11:27
zakamemalone 38009 can anyone check the correctness of the latest patch?11:36
UbugtuMalone bug 38009 in resolvconf "Breezy -> Dapper transition needs proper /etc/resolvconf/run handling" [Normal,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/3800911:36
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ajmitchhi01:58
lifelessho02:00
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MrFaberhi all02:41
MrFaberThe loop-aes-gui is back again :)02:41
MrFaber-i+y02:42
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MrFaberWho can fix the loop-aes-source package? There is already a bug report and a possible solution since some monthes.02:43
MrFaberI always have to use the debian sid loop-aes-source package to use it02:43
lifelessbug 30230 ?02:44
UbugtuMalone bug 30230 in loop-aes-source "loop-aes module can't be created in Dapper Drake" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/3023002:44
MrFaberyes02:44
MrFaberJust an update to debian sid package would fix it02:45
MrFaberBut I think that this isn't the main bug since some modules like nvidia or fglrx shows the same error02:45
lifelesswhats different in sid ?02:45
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MrFaberlifeless: don't know but it works in dapper :)02:46
MrFaberI am no expert02:46
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zulheylo02:53
Hobbseehi02:54
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dholbachanybody want to pick up bug 32900?03:27
UbugtuMalone bug 32900 in gimp-gap "gimp-gap crashes when duplicating frame" [Normal,Fix committed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/3290003:27
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bddebianHeya gang03:39
Hobbseehi bddebian03:39
bddebianHello Hobbsee03:39
bddebiandholbach: ping?03:40
dholbachbddebian: pong03:40
bddebiandholbach: The dh_iconcache thing.  All we have to do is add dh_iconcache to debian/rules install: ?03:40
dholbachyes03:41
bddebianOK, thx03:41
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jaldharhmm haven't seen minghua around for a couple of days03:45
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dolsondholbach: good evening :) is it normal that dssi still isn't in dapper?04:05
dholbachhey dolson04:06
dholbach"normal"??04:06
dolsonwell.. I don't know the word04:06
dholbachthe sync tool has just been fixed again04:06
dholbachi'll remind elmo04:06
dholbachjust = yesterday04:06
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dolsonoh ok cool. :) I didn't see some stuff get in yet so that's why I was wondering if it would make it, such as om04:09
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dholbachi just asked elmo again04:16
dholbachdon't worry, it will be done04:16
LaserJockdholbach: do you know what the current status is of all those sync requests from long ago?04:17
bddebianHeya LaserJock04:18
LaserJockmorning bddebian04:18
dholbachLaserJock: no idea04:18
bddebianOohh, I'm a BugSquad member, thanks dholbach :-)04:18
dholbachLaserJock: it might be best to do as the announce mail said04:18
dholbachLaserJock: pitti has a script on people.u.c somewhere to make the job easier04:18
dholbachbddebian: de rien :)04:19
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dolsonargh. I want to cross-compile my app for Win32, but I can't seem to figure out what to do with mingw3204:21
LaserJockdholbach: ah, thanks, I hadn't had a chance to read my email. I spent all day yesterday (about 16 hrs) working on the packaging guide04:22
dholbachwow04:22
dholbachWOW!04:22
LaserJockwell, I think it is done for now04:24
LaserJockI pulled probably another 10hrs the day before04:25
LaserJockmy wife is about to kill me :-)04:25
dolsonyou better kill her first! we need that doc!04:26
bddebianhehe04:26
dolson( that was a joke. I do not advocate the killing of wives )04:26
azeemoh, /me puts down the telephone again04:26
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LaserJockwell, dholbach uploaded the semi-final version so everyone can take a gander in gnome-help or doc.ubuntu.com04:27
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dolsonazeem: oh gee, you're in here too, huh?04:28
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dolsonLaserJock:  I've already pointed a few people to it in gnome-help :D04:28
LaserJockdolson: great04:29
azeemdolson: ;)04:29
LaserJockI really think that gnome-help is a hidden treasure now with the server guide and great desktop guide04:29
LaserJockok, I gotta go again. I've got to give a prospective grad student a tour around campus and the department :-)04:30
bddebianLater LaserJock04:30
LaserJockbbl04:30
dolsona friend of mine installed Ubuntu, and he was impressed that everything worked, even his Broadcom wireless. I recommended him to try Dapper. a long time later, he messaged me from Windows, and had almost gave up on Ubuntu, but then I saw that new bcm driver and got him to blacklist it and he's happy again. that should be in that gnome-help stuff :)04:31
azeemwhat does that have to do with gnome?04:31
dolsonwhat does making deb packages have to do with gnome?04:31
lifelessdolson: I think you mean 'in the help system', not 'in the gnome-help stuff04:32
azeemI probably misparsed "that gnome-help stuff"04:32
lifelessdolson: after all, its relevant to kubuntu and xubuntu too04:32
azeemand I didn't follow the discussion thoroughly :)04:33
dolsonI was saying gnome-help because that's what LaserJock said a couple minutes ago. I don't know where his doc and the desktop guide are if not in gnome-help as he said04:33
dolsonI'm not familiar with what packages or whathaveyou docs reside in04:33
lifelessI'm not sure that gnome-help is the right place for them :)04:33
azeemlifeless: well, if you decide to install the packaging guide, why not have it register in there?04:34
lifelessazeem: register yes.04:35
dolsonAFAIK, the packaging guide is installed by default. and there is no package called gnome-help, so I don't know what he meant. but whatever he meant, is what I meant04:35
lifelessbe gnome-specific? no04:35
azeemright04:35
azeemdolson: are you sure it's installed by default?04:35
azeemdoesn't sound useful to regular users04:35
azeemdolson: yelp provides gnome-help I think04:35
dolsonwell I didn't choose to install it, but it's there04:36
dolsonif I go to System > Help > System Documentation, I get this: http://aslan.homelinux.com/dana/images/helptopics.png04:38
azeemI see04:44
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zakamehi MOTUs!05:08
bddebianHeya zakame05:10
zakamehi bddebian! :D05:10
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Marticuswell05:27
MarticusI finally got the installation to finish05:29
MarticusI think either the powernow daemon or the apm daemon was causing the system to crash05:29
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truz24File browser search needs an option added to the right click menu - "open location containing file"05:43
truz24I'd do it myself if there werent' so much overhead getting the dev environment setup05:44
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FunnyLookinHatHow soon will the new nvidia drivers (posted today) be put into Ubuntu repos?06:05
LaserJockFunnyLookinHat: they went through dapper-changes already?06:06
hubdo they provide source code?06:06
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FunnyLookinHatI just saw they got posted on the nvidia ftp site.  Version 8756 for 64 and 32 bit06:07
hubFunnyLookinHat: nothing for PowerPC?06:07
FunnyLookinHathub, doubtful..  :-/06:07
FunnyLookinHatoh wait06:07
FunnyLookinHatyes, they have for ppc06:07
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LaserJockhi jsgotangco06:07
jsgotangcoahh its there right06:07
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zakamelol06:08
LaserJockjsgotangco: yeah, pbuilder/ vs pbuilerrc . gets me all the time as well06:08
hubFunnyLookinHat: where?06:09
jsgotangcook pbuilderrc doesn't look like anything in your example, i will assume the lines in the guide are the ones i should add/edit06:09
FunnyLookinHathub, good question.  I'm searching the FTP site now.  All I read was in #nvidia "<KraMer> Hey everybody, new linux drivers (8756) are on nvidia ftp site now (download.nvidia.com).  32 and 64 bit.06:09
FunnyLookinHat<KraMer> They're not listed on the nvidia web site yet."06:09
FunnyLookinHatSorry for spam.06:09
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hubFunnyLookinHat: they don't06:11
jsgotangcoLaserJock: APTCONFDIR is empty on mine06:11
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jsgotangconvidia? good call06:12
LaserJockjsgotangco: on original one, right?06:12
jsgotangcoLaserJock: yup, i'm assuming the samples you have provided are to be edited on the original file06:12
jsgotangcoLaserJock: bear with me step by step if you got time06:13
LaserJockjsgotangco: Those are the lines in the pbuilderrc file that (may or may not) need to be changed to suit the distro you want06:13
jsgotangcoLaserJock: OTHERMIRROR is commented too...06:13
LaserJockright06:14
jsgotangcoLaserJock: yes but my point on this sweep is doing it with some knowledge06:14
LaserJocksure06:14
jsgotangcohence i am following your code snippets06:14
LaserJockis it unclear what you are supposed to do with those lines?06:15
FunnyLookinHathub, ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree8606:16
FunnyLookinHathub, I see 8756 listed under Linux-x86-64 and Linux-x8606:16
hubso no PowerPC06:16
zakamemalone 3861906:16
UbugtuMalone bug 38619 in balsa "FTBFS: using deprecated GNOME_PARAM_POPT_TABLE" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/3861906:17
hubone more proof that this company do not care about its customers06:17
FunnyLookinHathub, nope, sorry.  I've never seen a PPC linux driver released from nVidia.  Seeing as how the market is like .00001% of nvidia users it really wouldn't make much snese06:17
FunnyLookinHat*sense06:17
jsgotangcoLaserJock: i would say on the line before the example to make sure some parameters are filled up similar to the example below :06:17
FunnyLookinHathub, lol, you are such a minority though06:17
FunnyLookinHathub, Most PPC based computers (i.e. Macs) use ATI06:17
hubFunnyLookinHat: you are wrong. PowerBook 12" and 17"06:18
hubFunnyLookinHat: G506:18
hubetc06:18
FunnyLookinHathub, oh really?  wow, i had no idea.06:18
hubFunnyLookinHat: btw neither does ATI06:18
FunnyLookinHathub, well we all know ATI sucks06:19
jsgotangcoLaserJock: i'll just pm you06:19
FunnyLookinHathub, well at least the powerbook I am going to buy in a year is intel based   ;)06:19
hubFunnyLookinHat: get a real PC instead06:20
hubthe X1600 found on the MacBookPro isn't supported by ATI06:20
hubthere is NO driver06:20
FunnyLookinHathub, get a real PC?  why?  I already have several of those and I like powerbooks more  ^_^06:21
hubbecause it is a better bargain06:21
LaserJockhub: neither for my iMac :(06:21
FunnyLookinHathub, besides, with Boot Camp I will eventually be able to triple boot linux, OS X, and windows XP (for work)06:21
hubLaserJock: exactly, I forgot the iMac06:22
LaserJockI love this thing (and OSX) but I'd really like to dual boot dapper on it.06:22
FunnyLookinHatLaserJock, I got my buddies HP laptop dual booting OS X and ubuntu  : )06:23
LaserJockwell, I need to go the other way around unfortunately06:23
FunnyLookinHat:-/06:24
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hubsomehow I feel that distribution should stop shipping that kind of crashware. not and easy decision, but I think it would be best for everybody to pressure the manufacturers06:26
na7eYeah, i'm probably going to buy a mac this year06:27
na7epurely for the osx goodness with the ability to do .net development06:27
jaldhar.oO(doesn't ubuntu let you do .net development?)06:33
G0SUBjaldhar: mono06:34
FunnyLookinHatbut even with XGL ubuntu isn't enough eye candy for na7e06:34
jaldharG0SUB: exactly.  I started using it recently and it's really coming along.  Even winforms stuff06:34
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G0SUBjaldhar: have you tried dotGNU?06:35
jaldharG0SUB: no. not yet06:35
G0SUBjaldhar: wasn't it supposed to be classified ?06:35
jaldharG0SUB: in what way?06:35
bddebianMCSD.. w00t :-)06:36
G0SUBjaldhar: MCSD and you06:36
jsgotangcoshow me the money06:36
jsgotangcoheh06:36
jaldharunfortunately all you linux hippies aren't paying my rent06:36
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G0SUBjaldhar: hehe06:36
zakamelol06:37
bddebianjaldhar: Heh, I know that feeling too :-)06:38
jsgotangcolol06:38
jaldharbut I've had a little success with the "hire me and I'll help you get from windows to Linux" angle.  Pure linux jobs are still pretty rare06:38
G0SUBjaldhar: but why MCSD? does it have any value now?06:38
G0SUBI have no idea if firms still hire MCSDs06:39
G0SUBwhat about RHCA, etc. ?06:39
jaldharG0SUB: not an awful lot but it gives me some structure in efforts to learn c# and I'm sure some people are impressed by it06:39
LaserJocksome people are impressed by any acronym ;-)06:40
G0SUBLaserJock: lol06:40
jaldharG0SUB: I'm an RHCE too and that does impress people but there aren't a lot of pure linux jobs in the USA06:41
LaserJockLASER  for instance ;-)06:41
bddebianYeah, I alway append WTF and BFD to my business cards ;-P06:41
bddebianErr always even06:41
jsgotangcolol06:41
G0SUBLaserJock: Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation06:41
jaldharpeople are slowly introducing it into their business but not comitting to it.06:41
LaserJockG0SUB: heck yeah, now that's what I'm talking about.06:42
G0SUBLaserJock: what's Jock?06:42
zakamehm06:42
G0SUBLaserJock: is that a contraction of Jordan?06:42
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LaserJocktalking about certification, I finally got my Laser Safety Certification yesterday (after 4 years of using the laser and being the lab laser safety officer)06:43
jsgotangcowow you get to have a laser gun?06:43
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G0SUBLaserJock: btw, do you have any idea about the personal LASIK machines?06:43
G0SUBLaserJock: http://www.lasikathome.com/06:44
zakamehmm Ubuntu and Laser in one06:44
jsgotangcoG0SUB: those look scary06:45
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LaserJockheh, mines bigger ;-)06:46
jsgotangcois it red yellow or green? heh06:47
jsgotangcoor blue06:47
LaserJockG0SUB: btw, jock is slang for enthusiast or very interested in, something like that06:47
LaserJockjsgotangco: I can make any color between UltraViolet and Infrared06:48
LaserJockright now it is mostly red and UV06:48
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bddebianhehe06:49
jsgotangcothose things can cut?06:49
LaserJockCO2 laser cut through metal, very fast06:50
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LaserJockbut my laser only burns through paper mostly06:50
jsgotangcopfftt06:50
LaserJockjsgotangco: friendly fire06:50
crimsunLathiat: I'll address bug #38546 tonight06:51
UbugtuMalone bug 38546 in linux-source-2.6.15 "Add hp_only quirk for pci id [1106:3059]  to via82xx ALSA driver" [Normal,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/3854606:51
LaserJockjsgotangco: but I can drill holes through glass with mine :-)06:51
zakameheh06:51
jsgotangcoyeah but i'm carbon based and definitely thicker than glass06:51
jsgotangcoerr what kind of glass hehe06:52
zakamebuwahaha06:52
LaserJockFused Silica06:52
LaserJockabout 1in thik06:52
LaserJockthick06:52
LaserJockour Postdoc drilled a hole through a $500USD optic one time, grrr06:53
LaserJockand later exploded our lab :(06:54
LaserJockbut I wasn't around then, I believe he went into Computer Science after that :-)06:54
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jsgotangcoAPT::Get::AllowUnauthenticated 1;07:15
jsgotangcojsg@ubuntu:/etc$07:15
jsgotangcoooppss07:15
zakamegn8 all!07:17
zakameer ETIME07:18
LaserJockcya zakame07:18
zakamethanks LaserJock :D07:19
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FunnyLookinHatSo, nobody knows the ETA on getting nvidia 8756 drivers into repos?07:25
LaserJockumm, let me put it this way. I wouldn't hold my breath07:26
FunnyLookinHatLaserJock, Feature Freeze isn't going to hold it up from being past June 1, is it??07:26
FunnyLookinHatoh please say no, that would be really sad.07:26
LaserJockI would say proper testing, etc. would hold it up. I don't think we usually get the nvidia driver as soon as they come out07:27
LaserJockyou have to see how many changes were made, etc.07:28
FunnyLookinHatAhh ok.  Well it's a huge release, version 1.0, etc.  I guess I'll just cross my fingers.07:28
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phanatichi people08:18
Gloubiboulgahey phanatic :)08:19
bddebianHello phanatic08:19
phanatichello Gloubiboulga and bddebian :)08:19
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perlii've uploaded a package of gPodder, a podcast catcher to REVU. if anyone wants to have a look at it and give some feedback, I'd be happy :) http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=224908:52
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phanatichi raphink08:54
LaserJockraphink: hi!08:55
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Gloubiboulgaperli, your source package has no .diff.gz, and no .orig.tar.gz08:59
LaserJockyikes, does it have anything?08:59
Gloubiboulgayes, a .tar.gz, with a nice debian/ dir in it :)09:00
crimsunaccidentally native?09:01
Gloubiboulgaperli, you're the author I think?09:01
perliyes09:01
Gloubiboulgathen it'll be easy to fix this09:01
perlishouldn't i have a debian directory in the original source if it can be provided by me (aka upstream)?09:01
Gloubiboulgayou have to use a source tarball without the debian/dir09:01
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Gloubiboulgaperli, no09:02
Gloubiboulgawe usually have a debian dir in the sources when it's a debian/ubuntu specific app09:02
Gloubiboulgawhich is not the case here09:03
LaserJockperli: it is recommended to separate the debian/ directory so that it is easier to deal with in the future09:03
perliso i remove the debian dir and use it only for package building?09:03
Gloubiboulgaperli, yep09:03
perliand when i want to sync upstream source to package, do i rename it to the .orig.tar.gz name?09:04
Gloubiboulgaand you'll have to change your tarball name to <package>_<version>.orig.tar.gz09:04
perliso i then have this <package>_<version>.orig.tar.gz, i extract it to <package>_<version>, put in the debian dir and then create the source and binary packages? or is there an easier way?09:05
LaserJockonce it is done, then it is easier09:06
Gloubiboulgait's the way I use, except that extracted dir is names <package>-<version>09:06
Gloubiboulgas/names/named09:06
perlido i get the debian directory for free after the first copy because it creates a .diff ?09:07
Gloubiboulgasorry, I don't understand your question... my english has some limits :/09:09
perliwhat i mean is how do i proceed if a new upstream version (or rather update) gets in? do i have to delete everything, extract source and copy the debian directory into it? guess it's easier?09:12
crimsunuupdate does that09:14
perlioh :) ok.. thanks for the hint :)09:14
perliwill use that and your suggestions to re-upload09:15
perliany other things you've found that are not correct?09:15
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Gloubiboulgahmm, yes09:16
Gloubiboulgain debian/changelog, one entry is enough, since it'll be the first ubuntu release09:16
Gloubiboulga(I suppose it's not in debian yet)09:17
Gloubiboulgaand the version should be 0.7+svn20060407-0ubuntu109:17
perlino, it's not in debian yet. found that the REVU thing might be the most helpful place to start ;)09:17
Gloubiboulgatrue :)09:18
perliso while i'm uploading packages to REVU, i don't have to change the version or release number?09:18
Gloubiboulgaand the distro is dapper :)09:18
perliok09:18
Gloubiboulganop, just keep the same version until it's uploaded09:18
Gloubiboulgawe use dabhelper compat=5 in dapper, so you can update the compat file and the debhelper version09:19
Gloubiboulgaabout the copyright, you may want to use the header proposed by the FSF in your source files09:20
Gloubiboulgasee http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html#SEC409:21
perliok :)09:21
Gloubiboulgaand you'll just have to copy it in debian/copyright09:21
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perlilots of bureaucracy, i see =)09:22
Gloubiboulgakind of, but that's important :)09:22
GloubiboulgaI'm building the package09:24
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perlianother question: is it possible to build packages for ubuntu on a debian testing/unstable release or is the best bet doing it directly in ubuntu?09:32
perlii currently build the packages on a freshly installed breezy machine, but that's not my development machine09:33
Gloubiboulgathe best way is to build your package using pbuilder or equivalent09:33
Gloubiboulgato build the .debs I mean09:33
Gloubiboulgabut you can do it on debian or ubuntu, it doesn't matter09:34
Gloubiboulgayour package builds and works fine :)09:35
perliwhich version of debhelper should be specified?09:37
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GloubiboulgaI set >=5.0.009:39
hubhas anyone ever tried to package freepascal?09:40
bddebianhub: I did once09:43
huband?09:44
hubit will need manual boostraping09:44
hubas it is self-compiling09:44
perliStandards-Version: 3.6.2 is okay?09:45
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LaserJockperli: apt-cache show debian-policy| grep Version09:46
LaserJockis the current version09:46
bddebianhub: Yep :-(09:47
bddebianActually maybe it's still on REVU? :-)09:47
perliok, thanks LaserJock09:47
hubbddebian: oh. I don't remember to have seen it09:47
hubchecking again09:48
hubbddebian: I don't see it there09:48
hubah yeah found it09:48
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perliwhat should the README.Debian file include?10:04
LaserJockusually it should be removed10:04
LaserJockunless there is something specific to Debian/Ubuntu10:05
perliok10:05
LaserJockperli: you might find http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/appendix-examples.html helpful10:05
GloubiboulgaLaserJock, in http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-scratch.html, I think there's a tiny problem10:06
LaserJockonly one?10:06
Gloubiboulgayou set the hello package version to 2.1.1-110:07
LaserJockyeah10:07
LaserJockI think it is ok, I discuss versioning later10:07
Gloubiboulgawhy don't you use the -ubuntuX version?10:07
Gloubiboulgaah ok10:07
GloubiboulgaI have not read everything yet10:08
Gloubiboulgano problem then ;)10:08
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LaserJockthe reason I didn't use -ubuntuX was because there isn't one in the repos (we just have the Debian source) and I didn't want to deviate too much from the source package you get from "apt-get source hello"10:09
LaserJockI sort of wish it did have an -ubuntuX version but it doesn't10:09
Gloubiboulgathat's a good reason10:11
GloubiboulgaI should try to build a package from scratch once10:12
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cbx33Hi all10:33
cbx33Hi LaserJock10:33
pefhi cbx3310:34
bddebianHello cbx3310:34
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cbx33hi pef bddebian :p10:34
cbx33I think i found a bug I can actually fix10:35
cbx33I'm gonna try tomorrow10:35
cbx33and hopefully submit my first bugfix10:35
Gloubiboulgathat's good news cbx33 :)10:35
cbx33yeh, my question is this :p10:36
cbx33i need some kinda help on workflow - i know everyone has their own way of doing things10:36
cbx33I have a chroot, my normal installation and pbuilder all setup10:36
cbx33so10:37
cbx33how do i work it -10:37
cbx33install the package in the chroot, see how it breaks then modify source, uninstall, reinstall ???10:37
LaserJockhi cbx3310:37
cbx33then put together a list of changes and build the debdiff?10:38
cbx33Hey LaserJock d'ya get my mails....10:38
cbx33I don;t have too much time tonight....but i should have some time to try out things tomorrow10:38
LaserJockyes, I think so. It's been kinda hectic10:38
cbx33was trying to get all the information so i can try things tomorrow10:39
LaserJockyeah, so you:10:40
LaserJockfix the bug (in your chroot or whatever)10:40
LaserJockmake patches or fixes in the downloaded source package10:40
LaserJockadd changelog entry10:40
cbx33what happens if it's a test of installing the package?10:40
cbx33like a change to the rules file etc?10:41
LaserJocka build-deps problem?10:41
cbx33for example10:41
cbx33or just simply a change to the pre/post scripts10:41
LaserJockif you know how to fix the problem just apt-get the source package, make changes, add changelog, rebuild source package (debuild -S), build .deb with pbuilder, install and test10:42
cbx33ok10:43
cbx33i see10:43
cbx33well I'll try tomorroe10:43
cbx33i think there was a problem I emailed you about....ah yes i remember now.....was to do with locales and mysql10:43
cbx33i'll probably have to go in a few mins10:44
LaserJockoh yeah10:44
cbx33but I'll be aroudn tomorrow if you someone could possibly give me a hand there10:44
LaserJockI've had problems with locals in chroots10:44
cbx33ok...just ignore it?10:44
cbx33mysql was funny though refuesd to start.....can the chroot open up ports and run servies? - there was no mysql running on the local host machine10:45
Gloubiboulga'night10:45
tsengrunning services in chroot can be interesting10:45
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tsengyoull want to look for a doc on running mysql in chroot10:45
LaserJockI remember now. the problem is sometimes there is a difference between the chroot locals and the locals on your computer10:45
cbx33tseng, ok10:46
cbx33LaserJock, I see.....easy fix?10:46
LaserJockI use and alias now to get rid of the warnings: alias dchroot-dapper="LC_ALL=C dchroot -d"10:46
tsengyou could just install the locales in chroot for that10:46
cbx33possibly include info in the docs10:46
LaserJocktseng: I did10:46
cbx33damn it, the package i was testing relied on mysql10:47
cbx33grr10:47
cbx33nevermind I'll try again tomorrow - possibly pick another easy bug fix10:47
cbx33is running apache in a chroot just as difficult?10:49
LaserJockI have no idea. I haven't run those types of things10:49
LaserJockI've just run Gnome and X apps10:49
cbx33ok10:50
LaserJockheh, right now I'm running gnome-session in my chroot over ssh ;-)10:51
cbx33and presumably none of your apps have relied on those :p10:51
cbx33hahah10:51
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cbx33nn10:51
LaserJockand I just started up KDE10:51
bddebianLater cbx3310:52
LaserJockcya cbx3310:52
cbx33bye bddebian LaserJock10:52
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pygimeebey, around?10:57
pygiwho is here in charge of Monodevelop package? :)10:59
LaserJockpygi: nobody is in charge of any one package. Universe is team maintained11:00
pygibah, yes, I know, I was joking, notice the ":)"11:00
LaserJockah, sorry. the :) slipped by me ;-)11:00
pygiLaserJock: who can update the Universe package, if I ask for UVFe, and get it?11:01
LaserJockpygi: well, any MOTU (ubuntu-dev LP team) can upload to Universe11:03
pygiLaserJock: thanks11:04
LaserJock_awaynp11:04
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slomopygi: i care for it currently ;)11:31
pygislomo: update it preety, preety please? :) I'll ask for UVFe? :)11:31
slomopygi: and i'm waiting for debian for 0.10... should be finished this weekend :) and then i'll ask for a uvf exception, need some testers and we're all happy ;)11:32
slomopygi: could you give me your mail address so i can tell you when i have something to test?11:32
pygislomo: mario dot danic at gmail dot com11:32
slomothanks11:33
pygiHow much testers you need? lemme find some :)11:33
pygislomo, still alive? :)11:34
slomohm... i have 5 now... that should be enough :)11:34
pygislomo: ah, ok :)11:34
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