[12:04] <cbx33> nn all
[12:25] <bddebian> Heya gang
[12:26] <LaserJock> hi bddebian!
[12:28] <ajmitch> hi
[12:31] <bddebian> Hi LaserJock, ajmitch
[12:32] <LaserJock> darn, I wish doc writing gave karma, I'm almost to 5000
[12:32] <bddebian> Doh, I'd better get to work then.. ;-P
[12:33] <LaserJock> you better:-)
[12:33] <LaserJock> I still have 1000 to catch up to you though
[12:34] <bddebian> Is LP having problems?
[12:35] <LaserJock> seems to work for me
[12:36] <bddebian> Hmm
[12:37] <bddebian> So for this DhIconCache stuff we just need to add dh_iconcache to debian/rules and thats it?
[12:40] <LaserJock> that was my reading of the email anyway
[12:51] <bddebian> Hello jaldhar
[12:54] <Marticus> it seems my laptop doesn't like ubuntu, or the other way around
[12:55] <Marticus> it's now crashing upon downloading libmysqlclient during 'base-config new' process
[12:55] <Marticus> pretty colors and stuff
[01:07] <jaldhar> bddebian: belated hello.  It's hard to irc when you're trying to stop your kids from killing each other
[01:08] <bddebian> jaldhar: Heh, I know that feeling :-)
[03:25] <bddebian> Damn I hate this time of night
[03:25] <bddebian> crimsun: You up?
[03:26] <tseng> bddebian: woo
[03:26] <bddebian> Heya tseng
[03:26] <tseng> saw the phillies yesterday
[03:26] <bddebian> tseng: I'm sorry :-)
[03:26] <tseng> went by Valley Forge
[03:26] <bddebian> Should we still have 1c2 packages out there?
[03:30] <ajmitch> bddebian: yes
[03:30] <crimsun> bddebian: yes
[03:31] <ajmitch> c2 ->c2a was just a couple of symbols, not a whole new ABI
[03:34] <bddebian> Hmm, why the hell does libtyvis1-dev depend libtyvis1 then instead of libtyvis1c2?
[03:34] <bddebian> Stupid shlibs
[03:36] <lifeless> ajmitch: if symbols are broken, it should change :)
[03:36] <ajmitch> lifeless: sure, but only a select few libraries were affected
[03:36] <lifeless> ajmitch: and all local builds on all users machines ?
[03:37] <bddebian> Can I get away with a simple rebuild?
[03:37] <ajmitch> I don't know the details - it was in the mail about the libstdc++ allocator change
[03:37] <lifeless> what I'm saying is - symbol borkage is a qualitative change not a quantitative change
[03:37] <ajmitch> bddebian: I don't know, you should check :)
[03:38] <ajmitch> lifeless: yes, and doko generated a list of libraries that used those two symbols in any way
[03:38] <ajmitch> http://lwn.net/Articles/162102/
[03:38] <ajmitch> I trust him more than my explanations :)
[03:40] <bddebian> Hmm, libwarped0-dev is b0rked too
[03:40] <bddebian> Grr
[03:41] <bddebian> Hmm, mpich is in main..  ajmitch, wanna fix that for me? :-)
[03:42] <lifeless> ajmitch: right, so like I thought, local builds are fuck-fucked
[03:42] <ajmitch> bddebian: why is it broken?
[03:42] <lifeless> we gotta find better ways to manage this
[03:43] <bddebian> ajmitch: Dunno, it's main so I didn't touch it
[03:44] <bddebian> ajmitch: want me to take a look at it?
[03:44] <ajmitch> bddebian: explain what needs fixed first
[03:44] <bddebian> It's uninstallable
[03:44] <ajmitch> which part?
[03:45] <bddebian> bdefreese@bdubuntu1:~/devel/mpich$ sudo apt-get install mpich
[03:45] <bddebian> Reading package lists... Done
[03:45] <bddebian> Building dependency tree... Done
[03:45] <bddebian> Package mpich is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[03:45] <bddebian> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[03:45] <bddebian> is only available from another source
[03:45] <bddebian> E: Package mpich has no installation candidate
[03:45] <ajmitch> uh
[03:45] <ajmitch> that's not saying it's uninstallable
[03:45] <bddebian> It's not?
[03:45] <ajmitch> that says there's no mpich binary package
[03:45] <bddebian> Which makes it uninstallable :-)
[03:45] <ajmitch> but something else refers to it
[03:46] <Toadstool> g'night motus :)
[03:46] <bddebian> ajmitch: Yeah, libwarped0-dev
[03:46] <ajmitch> ie, mpich itself is *not* broken
[03:48] <ajmitch> fwiw, there's a much newer upstream version in debian
[03:48] <ajmitch> that has correct dependencies
[03:49] <bddebian> So get it :-)
[03:49] <ajmitch> why are you telling me to? you're the one fixing it
[03:52] <bddebian> Are you talking about tyvis or mpich?
[03:53] <ajmitch> mpich
[03:53] <ajmitch> or tyvis
[03:53] <ajmitch> whichever you're working on
[03:53] <bddebian> tyvis -> build-dep libwarped0-dev -> build-dep mpich
[03:54] <ajmitch> so fix warped
[03:54] <bddebian> mpich is a main package
[03:54] <ajmitch> I just told you, mpich is *not* broken
[03:54] <ajmitch> any more than x.org being broken because stuff still build-depends on xlibs-dev
[03:55] <bddebian> WTF are you talking about?
[03:56] <Lathiat> i think hes saying that
[03:56] <Lathiat> libwarped0-dev should not b-d on mpich
[03:56] <Lathiat> ?
[03:56] <ajmitch> warped is broken, ok? I said that there's a newer version in debian with correct {build-,}depends
[03:57] <ajmitch> mpich was split into binary & library packages
[03:59] <bddebian> OK, so what is the mpich binary?
[03:59] <ajmitch> apt-cache showsrc mpich
[03:59] <ajmitch> Binary: libmpich1.0c2, libmpich1.0-dev, mpi-doc, libmpich-mpd1.0c2, libmpich-shmem1.0-dev, mpich-shmem-bin, libmpich-mpd1.0-dev, mpe-source, mpich-bin, mpich-mpd-bin, libmpich-shmem1.0c2
[03:59] <bddebian> Ah, OK
[04:06] <bddebian> Hmm, the newer warped would be a UVF exception
[04:06] <ajmitch> yes, I said it was a new upstream
[04:07] <bddebian> lamez0r
[04:09] <bddebian> ajmitch: You know anything about the dh_iconcache thing?
[04:10] <ajmitch> no
[04:18] <bddebian> Well at least ajmitch still loves me :-)
[04:19] <ajmitch> sure..
[04:25] <bddebian> Hey LaserJock (Mr Science Team :-) ) You need to get the newer warped package from Debian :-)
[04:26] <LaserJock> yeah, just reading your bug eail
[04:26] <LaserJock> email even
[04:26] <Kyral> hey bddebian (Mr. HURD) :P
[04:26] <bddebian> Kyral: :-)
[04:26] <LaserJock> I checked into that bug like a month ago
[04:26] <Kyral> and I'm Mr.ArchLinux ATM lol
[04:27] <LaserJock> bddebian: so a sync of libwarped would fix the problem?
[04:28] <bddebian> LaserJock: It's a start.  Then need to try a rebuild of tyvis
[04:28] <bddebian> Kyral: ArchLinux?
[04:28] <Kyral> yah
[04:28] <Kyral> I'm giving it a whirl until Dapper+1 opens :P
[04:28] <LaserJock> bddebian: ok, I'll try to look at that after I finish the packaging guide tonight
[04:29] <Kyral> ...there is a Hong Kong LoCoTeam right....
[04:29] <bddebian> LaserJock: Well it would be a UVF exception :-(
[04:29] <LaserJock> no problemo ;-)
[04:31] <LaserJock> I would think fixing some unmet deps/FTBFS bugs would warrant a UVF exception.
[04:32] <LaserJock> hmm, and I still need to fakesync gausssum :/
[04:32] <crimsun> syncs are purportedly working again
[04:32] <LaserJock> yeah?
[04:33] <LaserJock> hmm, I wonder if old syncs are going to be proccessed
[04:33] <LaserJock> mine was from Feb. I think
[04:38] <LaserJock> darn it, stupid mem leak. I'm going to have to restart my computer soon
[04:39] <LaserJock> I'll be so happy when I can wipe this install and start over.
[04:39] <bddebian> Heh
[04:40] <VoX> i could be wrong, but i think the ubuntu-artwork package for amd64 is having issues
[04:40] <VoX> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11650
[04:44] <LaserJock> I just can't figure out how it take my computer less than a day to fill 756M of RAM and 486M of swap
[04:45] <ajmitch> LaserJock: is that all?
[04:45] <LaserJock> yeah, but I haven't done much of anything with the computer
[04:46] <ajmitch> X & firefox are probably the top 2 reported users of ram
[04:46] <ajmitch> -/+ buffers/cache:    3266376     780236
[04:46] <LaserJock> X is taking 363M right now
[04:46] <ajmitch> some of that is misreported by top
[04:47] <Lathiat> run Xrestop
[04:48] <LaserJock> Lathiat: do I need to install that? I don't find it
[04:49] <crimsun>   xrestop |      0.3-3 | http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/main Packages
[04:49] <LaserJock> k, I'll install it in a sec. I'm dist-upgrading
[04:50] <LaserJock> last night my computer ground to a halt after ~ 6 hrs of working
[04:50] <ajmitch> that's bad
[04:50] <LaserJock> all the RAM was used and it was swapping like crazy
[04:50] <na7e> hi
[04:50] <ajmitch> and my laptop runs just fine with only 1GB RAM :)
[04:50] <ajmitch> hello
[04:51] <ajmitch> by 'fine', I mean like this:
[04:51] <ajmitch> -/+ buffers/cache:     906028     119064
[04:51] <ajmitch> Swap:      1048568     499172     549396
[04:51] <LaserJock> ajmitch: yeah, it started after one of the kernel upgrades in Jan. I think
[04:51] <ajmitch> of course about 500MB of that is firefox
[04:52] <VoX> ff is such a resource whore
[04:52] <LaserJock> I'm not running anything but synaptic and a terminal at this point
[04:54] <LaserJock> I was just finishing doc writing for the night last night when it started freezing up
[04:55] <LaserJock> thank goodness I had just committed
[04:56] <Lathiat> swapping seems to take 100% priority over everything else
[04:56] <Lathiat> which is a bit of a bitch
[05:02] <LaserJock> Lathiat: do I want pxm mem ?
[05:05] <LaserJock> I'm guess this might be the problem:
[05:05] <LaserJock> res-base Wins  GCs Fnts Pxms Misc   Pxm mem  Other   Total   PID Identifier
[05:05] <LaserJock> 2200000    14   18    0 6689    9   668800K    984B 668800K  4954 sensors-applet
[05:05] <LaserJock> 1800000    32  131    0  748   35    74075K      4K  74080K  4954 wnck-applet
[05:08] <LaserJock> maybe I will just not run the sensors applet
[05:13] <LaserJock> Lathiat: if that works, I'll owe you a drink ;-)
[05:19] <Lathiat> :)
[05:19] <Lathiat> what is the sensors applet?
[05:19] <Lathiat> and yeh thats pixel map memory
[05:19] <Lathiat> so that means the sensors applet is leaking pixmaps
[05:20] <Lathiat> and is why your running out of rma
[05:20] <Lathiat> :)
[05:20] <LaserJock> that is just the temperature sensor applet I have
[05:27] <LaserJock> Lathiat: you da man!!!
[05:27] <Lathiat> :)
[05:57] <bddebian> Are bitmaps OK for icon files?
[06:01] <Se7h> not realy, too big
[06:01] <Se7h> ..i guess
[06:02] <LaserJock> are .xpm bitmaps?
[06:03] <bddebian> Dunno, xboard only has .bm files afaict :-(
[06:10] <bddebian> Is there a "generic" icon file in /usr/share/pixmap to use for apps that don't have icon files?
[06:11] <Se7h> maybe a a black white paper
[06:11] <Se7h> lol
[06:11] <crimsun> that question was asked in the hoary dev cycle, and the conclusion is that there isn't one and that upstream should be pestered to include an appropriate icon
[06:14] <Se7h> i wouldn't have said better
[06:15] <Se7h> btw, question
[06:16] <Se7h> can a package be release first for ubuntu then for debian?
[06:17] <Gloubiboulga> Se7h, you mean, can we have a package in ubuntu which is not in debian?
[06:18] <Gloubiboulga> hi btw
[06:18] <Se7h> well, that i guess we can
[06:18] <Se7h> hi
[06:18] <Se7h> but imagina a package being release into ubuntu with version 0ubuntu1
[06:18] <Se7h> what would be debians version ?
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[06:19] <Gloubiboulga> and the debian package will come in ubuntu during the merge/sync process of the next release I think
[06:19] <Se7h> humm..ok
[06:19] <Se7h> ty :)
[06:20] <Gloubiboulga> no prob :)
[06:22] <Se7h> ok that sucked real hard
[06:25] <bddebian> crimsun: Ah OK, thx.  So any point in creating a .desktop file for a package with no icon?
[06:25] <crimsun> bddebian: I think so, particularly if there was no correct menu entry prior
[06:25] <bddebian> OK
[06:27] <Se7h> i asked that about version, cus im packaging something for ubuntu that is being package to debian also, and i didn't want to upload nothing without being in debian first
[06:28] <crimsun> just beware of the orig.tar.gz snags.
[06:29] <Se7h> yes, thats what i thought about
[06:29] <Se7h> o contacted him
[06:31] <Se7h> i hadn't the time to check the diff en dsc files he sent, but i just want to compare where he's planning to install nad stuff...
[06:31] <Se7h> *and
[06:31] <Se7h> xish...i need to rest,. Slepd 5h and its 5.31am already
[06:31] <Se7h> cya guys...later
[06:32] <Gloubiboulga> good night Se7h
[06:35] <bddebian> Yeah, better get my old arse to bed too gnight folks
[06:35] <ajmitch> night bddebian
[06:36] <bddebian> Gnight sweetpea ;-P
[07:53] <Gloubiboulga> hi Hobbsee
[07:53] <ajmitch> hi Hobbsee
[07:53] <Hobbsee> guess i could ask for programming help here, hey..
[07:53] <ajmitch> sure
[07:53] <ajmitch> if you fix my code :)
[07:54] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:55] <ajmitch> what's the problem?
[07:55] <Hobbsee> http://online.mq.edu.au/pub/COMP155/assignments/ass2/assignment2.html
[07:55] <Hobbsee> section A - characters are read from a file
[07:56] <Hobbsee> the problem is, what should the condition on that loop be?  ideally, it should be "while there is something still in the file, do this"
[07:56] <Hobbsee> i thought i'd had something similar written down, but i cant find it in my notes at all...
[07:59] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: any idea?
[08:01] <ajmitch> sorry, got distracted :)
[08:01] <ajmitch> like while(!EOF) { ... } ?
[08:01] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure
[08:02] <Hobbsee> might work
[08:02] <ajmitch> eww, inflicting c++ on 1st year students
[08:02] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:03] <ajmitch> or you do while( (n=read(fd, buffer, 1) ) { ... }
[08:03] <ajmitch> or similar
[08:03] <ajmitch> though it's c++
[08:04] <ajmitch> so I don't know if you get marked down for C-isms :)
[08:06] <Hobbsee> hmmm...
[08:06] <Hobbsee> first one doesnt seem to work, or i have the syntax wrong
[08:06] <Hobbsee> the latter, i suspect
[08:08] <zakame> hi all
[08:08] <zakame> ToadZzZztool: ping
[08:09] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: brilliant!  thanks!
[08:10] <Hobbsee> ajmitch:     "while (! myfile.eof() )" is the syntax
[08:16] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: great, now write my raytracer for me ;)
[08:16] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:52] <allee> ajmitch: was there already a talk (with doko?) about python2.3 mods in main to still support third party software that still depends on 2.3 (e.g. bug 37625 uninstallable and FTBFS)
[09:20] <nomed> hi all
[09:20] <nomed> one question ..
[09:20] <nomed> i see there are many pkges that Suggests msttcorefonts ...
[09:21] <nomed> that it doesn't seem available .. is this to consider a bug ?
[09:21] <Tm_T> nope
[09:22] <Tm_T> http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/x11/msttcorefonts
[11:01] <pef> hello
[11:01] <pef> what's the command to refresh KDE/gnome menu entries with files present in /usr/share/applications/ ?
[11:15] <Toadstool> hi here
[11:25] <zakame> hi al
[11:25] <zakame> l
[11:26] <Toadstool> heya zakame
[11:26] <Toadstool> pong
[11:26] <Toadstool> ;)
[11:26] <zakame> heya Toadstool ! :)
[11:27] <zakame> Toadstool: just to let you know, it would perhaps be better to set "Fix Committed" only if the updated package has hit the archive, "Fix Released" if it builds on all archs and is installed
[11:27] <Toadstool> hum ok
[11:36] <zakame> malone 38009 can anyone check the correctness of the latest patch?
[11:36] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 38009 in resolvconf "Breezy -> Dapper transition needs proper /etc/resolvconf/run handling" [Normal,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/38009
[01:58] <ajmitch> hi
[02:00] <lifeless> ho
[02:41] <MrFaber> hi all
[02:41] <MrFaber> The loop-aes-gui is back again :)
[02:42] <MrFaber> -i+y
[02:43] <MrFaber> Who can fix the loop-aes-source package? There is already a bug report and a possible solution since some monthes.
[02:43] <MrFaber> I always have to use the debian sid loop-aes-source package to use it
[02:44] <lifeless> bug 30230 ?
[02:44] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 30230 in loop-aes-source "loop-aes module can't be created in Dapper Drake" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/30230
[02:44] <MrFaber> yes
[02:45] <MrFaber> Just an update to debian sid package would fix it
[02:45] <MrFaber> But I think that this isn't the main bug since some modules like nvidia or fglrx shows the same error
[02:45] <lifeless> whats different in sid ?
[02:46] <MrFaber> lifeless: don't know but it works in dapper :)
[02:46] <MrFaber> I am no expert
[02:53] <zul> heylo
[02:54] <Hobbsee> hi
[03:27] <dholbach> anybody want to pick up bug 32900?
[03:27] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 32900 in gimp-gap "gimp-gap crashes when duplicating frame" [Normal,Fix committed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/32900
[03:39] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:39] <Hobbsee> hi bddebian
[03:39] <bddebian> Hello Hobbsee
[03:40] <bddebian> dholbach: ping?
[03:40] <dholbach> bddebian: pong
[03:40] <bddebian> dholbach: The dh_iconcache thing.  All we have to do is add dh_iconcache to debian/rules install: ?
[03:41] <dholbach> yes
[03:41] <bddebian> OK, thx
[03:45] <jaldhar> hmm haven't seen minghua around for a couple of days
[04:05] <dolson> dholbach: good evening :) is it normal that dssi still isn't in dapper?
[04:06] <dholbach> hey dolson
[04:06] <dholbach> "normal"??
[04:06] <dolson> well.. I don't know the word
[04:06] <dholbach> the sync tool has just been fixed again
[04:06] <dholbach> i'll remind elmo
[04:06] <dholbach> just = yesterday
[04:09] <dolson> oh ok cool. :) I didn't see some stuff get in yet so that's why I was wondering if it would make it, such as om
[04:16] <dholbach> i just asked elmo again
[04:16] <dholbach> don't worry, it will be done
[04:17] <LaserJock> dholbach: do you know what the current status is of all those sync requests from long ago?
[04:18] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[04:18] <LaserJock> morning bddebian
[04:18] <dholbach> LaserJock: no idea
[04:18] <bddebian> Oohh, I'm a BugSquad member, thanks dholbach :-)
[04:18] <dholbach> LaserJock: it might be best to do as the announce mail said
[04:18] <dholbach> LaserJock: pitti has a script on people.u.c somewhere to make the job easier
[04:19] <dholbach> bddebian: de rien :)
[04:21] <dolson> argh. I want to cross-compile my app for Win32, but I can't seem to figure out what to do with mingw32
[04:22] <LaserJock> dholbach: ah, thanks, I hadn't had a chance to read my email. I spent all day yesterday (about 16 hrs) working on the packaging guide
[04:22] <dholbach> wow
[04:22] <dholbach> WOW!
[04:24] <LaserJock> well, I think it is done for now
[04:25] <LaserJock> I pulled probably another 10hrs the day before
[04:25] <LaserJock> my wife is about to kill me :-)
[04:26] <dolson> you better kill her first! we need that doc!
[04:26] <bddebian> hehe
[04:26] <dolson> ( that was a joke. I do not advocate the killing of wives )
[04:26] <azeem> oh, /me puts down the telephone again
[04:27] <LaserJock> well, dholbach uploaded the semi-final version so everyone can take a gander in gnome-help or doc.ubuntu.com
[04:28] <dolson> azeem: oh gee, you're in here too, huh?
[04:28] <dolson> LaserJock:  I've already pointed a few people to it in gnome-help :D
[04:29] <LaserJock> dolson: great
[04:29] <azeem> dolson: ;)
[04:29] <LaserJock> I really think that gnome-help is a hidden treasure now with the server guide and great desktop guide
[04:30] <LaserJock> ok, I gotta go again. I've got to give a prospective grad student a tour around campus and the department :-)
[04:30] <bddebian> Later LaserJock
[04:30] <LaserJock> bbl
[04:31] <dolson> a friend of mine installed Ubuntu, and he was impressed that everything worked, even his Broadcom wireless. I recommended him to try Dapper. a long time later, he messaged me from Windows, and had almost gave up on Ubuntu, but then I saw that new bcm driver and got him to blacklist it and he's happy again. that should be in that gnome-help stuff :)
[04:31] <azeem> what does that have to do with gnome?
[04:31] <dolson> what does making deb packages have to do with gnome?
[04:32] <lifeless> dolson: I think you mean 'in the help system', not 'in the gnome-help stuff
[04:32] <azeem> I probably misparsed "that gnome-help stuff"
[04:32] <lifeless> dolson: after all, its relevant to kubuntu and xubuntu too
[04:33] <azeem> and I didn't follow the discussion thoroughly :)
[04:33] <dolson> I was saying gnome-help because that's what LaserJock said a couple minutes ago. I don't know where his doc and the desktop guide are if not in gnome-help as he said
[04:33] <dolson> I'm not familiar with what packages or whathaveyou docs reside in
[04:33] <lifeless> I'm not sure that gnome-help is the right place for them :)
[04:34] <azeem> lifeless: well, if you decide to install the packaging guide, why not have it register in there?
[04:35] <lifeless> azeem: register yes.
[04:35] <dolson> AFAIK, the packaging guide is installed by default. and there is no package called gnome-help, so I don't know what he meant. but whatever he meant, is what I meant
[04:35] <lifeless> be gnome-specific? no
[04:35] <azeem> right
[04:35] <azeem> dolson: are you sure it's installed by default?
[04:35] <azeem> doesn't sound useful to regular users
[04:35] <azeem> dolson: yelp provides gnome-help I think
[04:36] <dolson> well I didn't choose to install it, but it's there
[04:38] <dolson> if I go to System > Help > System Documentation, I get this: http://aslan.homelinux.com/dana/images/helptopics.png
[04:44] <azeem> I see
[05:08] <zakame> hi MOTUs!
[05:10] <bddebian> Heya zakame
[05:10] <zakame> hi bddebian! :D
[05:27] <Marticus> well
[05:29] <Marticus> I finally got the installation to finish
[05:29] <Marticus> I think either the powernow daemon or the apm daemon was causing the system to crash
[05:43] <truz24> File browser search needs an option added to the right click menu - "open location containing file"
[05:44] <truz24> I'd do it myself if there werent' so much overhead getting the dev environment setup
[06:05] <FunnyLookinHat> How soon will the new nvidia drivers (posted today) be put into Ubuntu repos?
[06:06] <LaserJock> FunnyLookinHat: they went through dapper-changes already?
[06:06] <hub> do they provide source code?
[06:06] <LaserJock> lol
[06:07] <FunnyLookinHat> I just saw they got posted on the nvidia ftp site.  Version 8756 for 64 and 32 bit
[06:07] <hub> FunnyLookinHat: nothing for PowerPC?
[06:07] <FunnyLookinHat> hub, doubtful..  :-/
[06:07] <FunnyLookinHat> oh wait
[06:07] <FunnyLookinHat> yes, they have for ppc
[06:07] <LaserJock> hi jsgotangco
[06:07] <jsgotangco> ahh its there right
[06:08] <zakame> lol
[06:08] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: yeah, pbuilder/ vs pbuilerrc . gets me all the time as well
[06:09] <hub> FunnyLookinHat: where?
[06:09] <jsgotangco> ok pbuilderrc doesn't look like anything in your example, i will assume the lines in the guide are the ones i should add/edit
[06:09] <FunnyLookinHat> hub, good question.  I'm searching the FTP site now.  All I read was in #nvidia "<KraMer> Hey everybody, new linux drivers (8756) are on nvidia ftp site now (download.nvidia.com).  32 and 64 bit.
 They're not listed on the nvidia web site yet."
[06:09] <FunnyLookinHat> Sorry for spam.
[06:11] <hub> FunnyLookinHat: they don't
[06:11] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: APTCONFDIR is empty on mine
[06:12] <jsgotangco> nvidia? good call
[06:12] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: on original one, right?
[06:12] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: yup, i'm assuming the samples you have provided are to be edited on the original file
[06:13] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: bear with me step by step if you got time
[06:13] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: Those are the lines in the pbuilderrc file that (may or may not) need to be changed to suit the distro you want
[06:13] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: OTHERMIRROR is commented too...
[06:14] <LaserJock> right
[06:14] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: yes but my point on this sweep is doing it with some knowledge
[06:14] <LaserJock> sure
[06:14] <jsgotangco> hence i am following your code snippets
[06:15] <LaserJock> is it unclear what you are supposed to do with those lines?
[06:16] <FunnyLookinHat> hub, ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86
[06:16] <FunnyLookinHat> hub, I see 8756 listed under Linux-x86-64 and Linux-x86
[06:16] <hub> so no PowerPC
[06:16] <zakame> malone 38619
[06:17] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 38619 in balsa "FTBFS: using deprecated GNOME_PARAM_POPT_TABLE" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/38619
[06:17] <hub> one more proof that this company do not care about its customers
[06:17] <FunnyLookinHat> hub, nope, sorry.  I've never seen a PPC linux driver released from nVidia.  Seeing as how the market is like .00001% of nvidia users it really wouldn't make much snese
[06:17] <FunnyLookinHat> *sense
[06:17] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: i would say on the line before the example to make sure some parameters are filled up similar to the example below :
[06:17] <FunnyLookinHat> hub, lol, you are such a minority though
[06:17] <FunnyLookinHat> hub, Most PPC based computers (i.e. Macs) use ATI
[06:18] <hub> FunnyLookinHat: you are wrong. PowerBook 12" and 17"
[06:18] <hub> FunnyLookinHat: G5
[06:18] <hub> etc
[06:18] <FunnyLookinHat> hub, oh really?  wow, i had no idea.
[06:18] <hub> FunnyLookinHat: btw neither does ATI
[06:19] <FunnyLookinHat> hub, well we all know ATI sucks
[06:19] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: i'll just pm you
[06:19] <FunnyLookinHat> hub, well at least the powerbook I am going to buy in a year is intel based   ;)
[06:20] <hub> FunnyLookinHat: get a real PC instead
[06:20] <hub> the X1600 found on the MacBookPro isn't supported by ATI
[06:20] <hub> there is NO driver
[06:21] <FunnyLookinHat> hub, get a real PC?  why?  I already have several of those and I like powerbooks more  ^_^
[06:21] <hub> because it is a better bargain
[06:21] <LaserJock> hub: neither for my iMac :(
[06:21] <FunnyLookinHat> hub, besides, with Boot Camp I will eventually be able to triple boot linux, OS X, and windows XP (for work)
[06:22] <hub> LaserJock: exactly, I forgot the iMac
[06:22] <LaserJock> I love this thing (and OSX) but I'd really like to dual boot dapper on it.
[06:23] <FunnyLookinHat> LaserJock, I got my buddies HP laptop dual booting OS X and ubuntu  : )
[06:23] <LaserJock> well, I need to go the other way around unfortunately
[06:24] <FunnyLookinHat> :-/
[06:26] <hub> somehow I feel that distribution should stop shipping that kind of crashware. not and easy decision, but I think it would be best for everybody to pressure the manufacturers
[06:27] <na7e> Yeah, i'm probably going to buy a mac this year
[06:27] <na7e> purely for the osx goodness with the ability to do .net development
[06:33] <jaldhar> .oO(doesn't ubuntu let you do .net development?)
[06:34] <G0SUB> jaldhar: mono
[06:34] <FunnyLookinHat> but even with XGL ubuntu isn't enough eye candy for na7e
[06:34] <jaldhar> G0SUB: exactly.  I started using it recently and it's really coming along.  Even winforms stuff
[06:35] <G0SUB> jaldhar: have you tried dotGNU?
[06:35] <jaldhar> G0SUB: no. not yet
[06:35] <G0SUB> jaldhar: wasn't it supposed to be classified ?
[06:35] <jaldhar> G0SUB: in what way?
[06:36] <bddebian> MCSD.. w00t :-)
[06:36] <G0SUB> jaldhar: MCSD and you
[06:36] <jsgotangco> show me the money
[06:36] <jsgotangco> heh
[06:36] <jaldhar> unfortunately all you linux hippies aren't paying my rent
[06:36] <G0SUB> jaldhar: hehe
[06:37] <zakame> lol
[06:38] <bddebian> jaldhar: Heh, I know that feeling too :-)
[06:38] <jsgotangco> lol
[06:38] <jaldhar> but I've had a little success with the "hire me and I'll help you get from windows to Linux" angle.  Pure linux jobs are still pretty rare
[06:38] <G0SUB> jaldhar: but why MCSD? does it have any value now?
[06:39] <G0SUB> I have no idea if firms still hire MCSDs
[06:39] <G0SUB> what about RHCA, etc. ?
[06:39] <jaldhar> G0SUB: not an awful lot but it gives me some structure in efforts to learn c# and I'm sure some people are impressed by it
[06:40] <LaserJock> some people are impressed by any acronym ;-)
[06:40] <G0SUB> LaserJock: lol
[06:41] <jaldhar> G0SUB: I'm an RHCE too and that does impress people but there aren't a lot of pure linux jobs in the USA
[06:41] <LaserJock> LASER  for instance ;-)
[06:41] <bddebian> Yeah, I alway append WTF and BFD to my business cards ;-P
[06:41] <bddebian> Err always even
[06:41] <jsgotangco> lol
[06:41] <G0SUB> LaserJock: Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation
[06:41] <jaldhar> people are slowly introducing it into their business but not comitting to it.
[06:42] <LaserJock> G0SUB: heck yeah, now that's what I'm talking about.
[06:42] <G0SUB> LaserJock: what's Jock?
[06:42] <zakame> hm
[06:42] <G0SUB> LaserJock: is that a contraction of Jordan?
[06:43] <LaserJock> talking about certification, I finally got my Laser Safety Certification yesterday (after 4 years of using the laser and being the lab laser safety officer)
[06:43] <jsgotangco> wow you get to have a laser gun?
[06:43] <G0SUB> LaserJock: btw, do you have any idea about the personal LASIK machines?
[06:44] <G0SUB> LaserJock: http://www.lasikathome.com/
[06:44] <zakame> hmm Ubuntu and Laser in one
[06:45] <jsgotangco> G0SUB: those look scary
[06:46] <LaserJock> heh, mines bigger ;-)
[06:47] <jsgotangco> is it red yellow or green? heh
[06:47] <jsgotangco> or blue
[06:47] <LaserJock> G0SUB: btw, jock is slang for enthusiast or very interested in, something like that
[06:48] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: I can make any color between UltraViolet and Infrared
[06:48] <LaserJock> right now it is mostly red and UV
[06:49] <bddebian> hehe
[06:49] <jsgotangco> those things can cut?
[06:50] <LaserJock> CO2 laser cut through metal, very fast
[06:50] <LaserJock> but my laser only burns through paper mostly
[06:50] <jsgotangco> pfftt
[06:50] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: friendly fire
[06:51] <crimsun> Lathiat: I'll address bug #38546 tonight
[06:51] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 38546 in linux-source-2.6.15 "Add hp_only quirk for pci id [1106:3059]  to via82xx ALSA driver" [Normal,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/38546
[06:51] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: but I can drill holes through glass with mine :-)
[06:51] <zakame> heh
[06:51] <jsgotangco> yeah but i'm carbon based and definitely thicker than glass
[06:52] <jsgotangco> err what kind of glass hehe
[06:52] <zakame> buwahaha
[06:52] <LaserJock> Fused Silica
[06:52] <LaserJock> about 1in thik
[06:52] <LaserJock> thick
[06:53] <LaserJock> our Postdoc drilled a hole through a $500USD optic one time, grrr
[06:54] <LaserJock> and later exploded our lab :(
[06:54] <LaserJock> but I wasn't around then, I believe he went into Computer Science after that :-)
[07:15] <jsgotangco> APT::Get::AllowUnauthenticated 1;
[07:15] <jsgotangco> jsg@ubuntu:/etc$
[07:15] <jsgotangco> ooppss
[07:17] <zakame> gn8 all!
[07:18] <zakame> er ETIME
[07:18] <LaserJock> cya zakame
[07:19] <zakame> thanks LaserJock :D
[07:25] <FunnyLookinHat> So, nobody knows the ETA on getting nvidia 8756 drivers into repos?
[07:26] <LaserJock> umm, let me put it this way. I wouldn't hold my breath
[07:26] <FunnyLookinHat> LaserJock, Feature Freeze isn't going to hold it up from being past June 1, is it??
[07:26] <FunnyLookinHat> oh please say no, that would be really sad.
[07:27] <LaserJock> I would say proper testing, etc. would hold it up. I don't think we usually get the nvidia driver as soon as they come out
[07:28] <LaserJock> you have to see how many changes were made, etc.
[07:28] <FunnyLookinHat> Ahh ok.  Well it's a huge release, version 1.0, etc.  I guess I'll just cross my fingers.
[08:18] <phanatic> hi people
[08:19] <Gloubiboulga> hey phanatic :)
[08:19] <bddebian> Hello phanatic
[08:19] <phanatic> hello Gloubiboulga and bddebian :)
[08:52] <perli> i've uploaded a package of gPodder, a podcast catcher to REVU. if anyone wants to have a look at it and give some feedback, I'd be happy :) http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2249
[08:54] <phanatic> hi raphink
[08:55] <LaserJock> raphink: hi!
[08:59] <Gloubiboulga> perli, your source package has no .diff.gz, and no .orig.tar.gz
[08:59] <LaserJock> yikes, does it have anything?
[09:00] <Gloubiboulga> yes, a .tar.gz, with a nice debian/ dir in it :)
[09:01] <crimsun> accidentally native?
[09:01] <Gloubiboulga> perli, you're the author I think?
[09:01] <perli> yes
[09:01] <Gloubiboulga> then it'll be easy to fix this
[09:01] <perli> shouldn't i have a debian directory in the original source if it can be provided by me (aka upstream)?
[09:01] <Gloubiboulga> you have to use a source tarball without the debian/dir
[09:02] <Gloubiboulga> perli, no
[09:02] <Gloubiboulga> we usually have a debian dir in the sources when it's a debian/ubuntu specific app
[09:03] <Gloubiboulga> which is not the case here
[09:03] <LaserJock> perli: it is recommended to separate the debian/ directory so that it is easier to deal with in the future
[09:03] <perli> so i remove the debian dir and use it only for package building?
[09:03] <Gloubiboulga> perli, yep
[09:04] <perli> and when i want to sync upstream source to package, do i rename it to the .orig.tar.gz name?
[09:04] <Gloubiboulga> and you'll have to change your tarball name to <package>_<version>.orig.tar.gz
[09:05] <perli> so i then have this <package>_<version>.orig.tar.gz, i extract it to <package>_<version>, put in the debian dir and then create the source and binary packages? or is there an easier way?
[09:06] <LaserJock> once it is done, then it is easier
[09:06] <Gloubiboulga> it's the way I use, except that extracted dir is names <package>-<version>
[09:06] <Gloubiboulga> s/names/named
[09:07] <perli> do i get the debian directory for free after the first copy because it creates a .diff ?
[09:09] <Gloubiboulga> sorry, I don't understand your question... my english has some limits :/
[09:12] <perli> what i mean is how do i proceed if a new upstream version (or rather update) gets in? do i have to delete everything, extract source and copy the debian directory into it? guess it's easier?
[09:14] <crimsun> uupdate does that
[09:14] <perli> oh :) ok.. thanks for the hint :)
[09:15] <perli> will use that and your suggestions to re-upload
[09:15] <perli> any other things you've found that are not correct?
[09:16] <Gloubiboulga> hmm, yes
[09:16] <Gloubiboulga> in debian/changelog, one entry is enough, since it'll be the first ubuntu release
[09:17] <Gloubiboulga> (I suppose it's not in debian yet)
[09:17] <Gloubiboulga> and the version should be 0.7+svn20060407-0ubuntu1
[09:17] <perli> no, it's not in debian yet. found that the REVU thing might be the most helpful place to start ;)
[09:18] <Gloubiboulga> true :)
[09:18] <perli> so while i'm uploading packages to REVU, i don't have to change the version or release number?
[09:18] <Gloubiboulga> and the distro is dapper :)
[09:18] <perli> ok
[09:18] <Gloubiboulga> nop, just keep the same version until it's uploaded
[09:19] <Gloubiboulga> we use dabhelper compat=5 in dapper, so you can update the compat file and the debhelper version
[09:20] <Gloubiboulga> about the copyright, you may want to use the header proposed by the FSF in your source files
[09:21] <Gloubiboulga> see http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html#SEC4
[09:21] <perli> ok :)
[09:21] <Gloubiboulga> and you'll just have to copy it in debian/copyright
[09:22] <perli> lots of bureaucracy, i see =)
[09:22] <Gloubiboulga> kind of, but that's important :)
[09:24] <Gloubiboulga> I'm building the package
[09:32] <perli> another question: is it possible to build packages for ubuntu on a debian testing/unstable release or is the best bet doing it directly in ubuntu?
[09:33] <perli> i currently build the packages on a freshly installed breezy machine, but that's not my development machine
[09:33] <Gloubiboulga> the best way is to build your package using pbuilder or equivalent
[09:33] <Gloubiboulga> to build the .debs I mean
[09:34] <Gloubiboulga> but you can do it on debian or ubuntu, it doesn't matter
[09:35] <Gloubiboulga> your package builds and works fine :)
[09:37] <perli> which version of debhelper should be specified?
[09:39] <Gloubiboulga> I set >=5.0.0
[09:40] <hub> has anyone ever tried to package freepascal?
[09:43] <bddebian> hub: I did once
[09:44] <hub> and?
[09:44] <hub> it will need manual boostraping
[09:44] <hub> as it is self-compiling
[09:45] <perli> Standards-Version: 3.6.2 is okay?
[09:46] <LaserJock> perli: apt-cache show debian-policy| grep Version
[09:46] <LaserJock> is the current version
[09:47] <bddebian> hub: Yep :-(
[09:47] <bddebian> Actually maybe it's still on REVU? :-)
[09:47] <perli> ok, thanks LaserJock
[09:47] <hub> bddebian: oh. I don't remember to have seen it
[09:48] <hub> checking again
[09:48] <hub> bddebian: I don't see it there
[09:48] <hub> ah yeah found it
[10:04] <perli> what should the README.Debian file include?
[10:04] <LaserJock> usually it should be removed
[10:05] <LaserJock> unless there is something specific to Debian/Ubuntu
[10:05] <perli> ok
[10:05] <LaserJock> perli: you might find http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/appendix-examples.html helpful
[10:06] <Gloubiboulga> LaserJock, in http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-scratch.html, I think there's a tiny problem
[10:06] <LaserJock> only one?
[10:07] <Gloubiboulga> you set the hello package version to 2.1.1-1
[10:07] <LaserJock> yeah
[10:07] <LaserJock> I think it is ok, I discuss versioning later
[10:07] <Gloubiboulga> why don't you use the -ubuntuX version?
[10:07] <Gloubiboulga> ah ok
[10:08] <Gloubiboulga> I have not read everything yet
[10:08] <Gloubiboulga> no problem then ;)
[10:09] <LaserJock> the reason I didn't use -ubuntuX was because there isn't one in the repos (we just have the Debian source) and I didn't want to deviate too much from the source package you get from "apt-get source hello"
[10:09] <LaserJock> I sort of wish it did have an -ubuntuX version but it doesn't
[10:11] <Gloubiboulga> that's a good reason
[10:12] <Gloubiboulga> I should try to build a package from scratch once
[10:33] <cbx33> Hi all
[10:33] <cbx33> Hi LaserJock
[10:34] <pef> hi cbx33
[10:34] <bddebian> Hello cbx33
[10:34] <cbx33> hi pef bddebian :p
[10:35] <cbx33> I think i found a bug I can actually fix
[10:35] <cbx33> I'm gonna try tomorrow
[10:35] <cbx33> and hopefully submit my first bugfix
[10:35] <Gloubiboulga> that's good news cbx33 :)
[10:36] <cbx33> yeh, my question is this :p
[10:36] <cbx33> i need some kinda help on workflow - i know everyone has their own way of doing things
[10:36] <cbx33> I have a chroot, my normal installation and pbuilder all setup
[10:37] <cbx33> so
[10:37] <cbx33> how do i work it -
[10:37] <cbx33> install the package in the chroot, see how it breaks then modify source, uninstall, reinstall ???
[10:37] <LaserJock> hi cbx33
[10:38] <cbx33> then put together a list of changes and build the debdiff?
[10:38] <cbx33> Hey LaserJock d'ya get my mails....
[10:38] <cbx33> I don;t have too much time tonight....but i should have some time to try out things tomorrow
[10:38] <LaserJock> yes, I think so. It's been kinda hectic
[10:39] <cbx33> was trying to get all the information so i can try things tomorrow
[10:40] <LaserJock> yeah, so you:
[10:40] <LaserJock> fix the bug (in your chroot or whatever)
[10:40] <LaserJock> make patches or fixes in the downloaded source package
[10:40] <LaserJock> add changelog entry
[10:40] <cbx33> what happens if it's a test of installing the package?
[10:41] <cbx33> like a change to the rules file etc?
[10:41] <LaserJock> a build-deps problem?
[10:41] <cbx33> for example
[10:41] <cbx33> or just simply a change to the pre/post scripts
[10:42] <LaserJock> if you know how to fix the problem just apt-get the source package, make changes, add changelog, rebuild source package (debuild -S), build .deb with pbuilder, install and test
[10:43] <cbx33> ok
[10:43] <cbx33> i see
[10:43] <cbx33> well I'll try tomorroe
[10:43] <cbx33> i think there was a problem I emailed you about....ah yes i remember now.....was to do with locales and mysql
[10:44] <cbx33> i'll probably have to go in a few mins
[10:44] <LaserJock> oh yeah
[10:44] <cbx33> but I'll be aroudn tomorrow if you someone could possibly give me a hand there
[10:44] <LaserJock> I've had problems with locals in chroots
[10:44] <cbx33> ok...just ignore it?
[10:45] <cbx33> mysql was funny though refuesd to start.....can the chroot open up ports and run servies? - there was no mysql running on the local host machine
[10:45] <Gloubiboulga> 'night
[10:45] <tseng> running services in chroot can be interesting
[10:45] <tseng> youll want to look for a doc on running mysql in chroot
[10:45] <LaserJock> I remember now. the problem is sometimes there is a difference between the chroot locals and the locals on your computer
[10:46] <cbx33> tseng, ok
[10:46] <cbx33> LaserJock, I see.....easy fix?
[10:46] <LaserJock> I use and alias now to get rid of the warnings: alias dchroot-dapper="LC_ALL=C dchroot -d"
[10:46] <tseng> you could just install the locales in chroot for that
[10:46] <cbx33> possibly include info in the docs
[10:46] <LaserJock> tseng: I did
[10:47] <cbx33> damn it, the package i was testing relied on mysql
[10:47] <cbx33> grr
[10:47] <cbx33> nevermind I'll try again tomorrow - possibly pick another easy bug fix
[10:49] <cbx33> is running apache in a chroot just as difficult?
[10:49] <LaserJock> I have no idea. I haven't run those types of things
[10:49] <LaserJock> I've just run Gnome and X apps
[10:50] <cbx33> ok
[10:51] <LaserJock> heh, right now I'm running gnome-session in my chroot over ssh ;-)
[10:51] <cbx33> and presumably none of your apps have relied on those :p
[10:51] <cbx33> hahah
[10:51] <cbx33> nn
[10:51] <LaserJock> and I just started up KDE
[10:52] <bddebian> Later cbx33
[10:52] <LaserJock> cya cbx33
[10:52] <cbx33> bye bddebian LaserJock
[10:57] <pygi> meebey, around?
[10:59] <pygi> who is here in charge of Monodevelop package? :)
[11:00] <LaserJock> pygi: nobody is in charge of any one package. Universe is team maintained
[11:00] <pygi> bah, yes, I know, I was joking, notice the ":)"
[11:00] <LaserJock> ah, sorry. the :) slipped by me ;-)
[11:01] <pygi> LaserJock: who can update the Universe package, if I ask for UVFe, and get it?
[11:03] <LaserJock> pygi: well, any MOTU (ubuntu-dev LP team) can upload to Universe
[11:04] <pygi> LaserJock: thanks
[11:04] <LaserJock_away> np
[11:31] <slomo> pygi: i care for it currently ;)
[11:31] <pygi> slomo: update it preety, preety please? :) I'll ask for UVFe? :)
[11:32] <slomo> pygi: and i'm waiting for debian for 0.10... should be finished this weekend :) and then i'll ask for a uvf exception, need some testers and we're all happy ;)
[11:32] <slomo> pygi: could you give me your mail address so i can tell you when i have something to test?
[11:32] <pygi> slomo: mario dot danic at gmail dot com
[11:33] <slomo> thanks
[11:33] <pygi> How much testers you need? lemme find some :)
[11:34] <pygi> slomo, still alive? :)
[11:34] <slomo> hm... i have 5 now... that should be enough :)
[11:34] <pygi> slomo: ah, ok :)