[03:59] <jdong> are there any plans for us to get kaffeine .8?
[03:59] <jdong> just curious
[04:05] <seth|lappy> jdong, the backports wiki has been spammed, fyi
[04:05] <jdong> wonderful
[04:05] <jdong> just peachy :)
[04:05] <Hobbsee> lol
[04:06] <seth|lappy> looks clean-ish right now, people have been reverting it
[04:06] <seth|lappy> but guest edits should probably be off for the front page, or sommat
[04:06] <jdong> yeah
[04:06] <jdong> thanks to everyone who helped to revert
[04:07] <jdong> I'll lock down permissions when I get a chance to
[04:08] <seth|lappy> cheers
[05:13] <neoncode> "ice cream time!"? O_o
[06:34] <robotgeek> Riddell: just to let you know, kubuntu-docs doesn't install
[06:35] <robotgeek> /usr/share/doc-base/kubuntu-adept: cannot open control file for reading: No such file or directory
[07:31] <LaserJock> Riddell: ping?
[08:13] <seaLne> robotgeek: yeah i get that aswell
[09:28] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/kde-systemsettings/+bugs is correct?
[09:29] <Hobbsee> robotgeek: i would assume so, yes
[09:29] <Hobbsee> maybe launchpad's buggered again
[09:29] <Hobbsee> no...wait...
[09:29] <Hobbsee> those usually get put as kde base, i think
[09:30] <robotgeek> filing bugs on lp is also tough, it's not quite clear where to file them, kde 3.5.x etc
[09:30] <Hobbsee> the bug lists are buggered again
[09:30] <Hobbsee> yeah
[09:30] <Hobbsee> i'd stick it in kdebase, as that's where a lot of the bugs for system settings already go
[09:31] <robotgeek> okay, will do. and in the source-package, right?
[09:31] <Hobbsee> assigning it to kubuntu-team would help too, or whatever it is - i'm told it's not necessary, but seems easier to find if it is assigned somewhere
[09:31] <Hobbsee> yeah
[09:36] <robotgeek_away> Hobbsee: can you say again, i lost what you said in the lag
[09:36] <Hobbsee> [17:30]  <Hobbsee> the bug lists are buggered again
[09:36] <Hobbsee> [17:30]  <Hobbsee> yeah
[09:36] <Hobbsee> [17:30]  <Hobbsee> i'd stick it in kdebase, as that's where a lot of the bugs for system settings already go
[09:36] <Hobbsee> [17:31]  <robotgeek> okay, will do. and in the source-package, right?
[09:36] <Hobbsee> [17:31]  <Hobbsee> assigning it to kubuntu-team would help too, or whatever it is - i'm told it's not necessary, but seems easier to find if it is assigned somewhere
[09:36] <Hobbsee> [17:31]  <Hobbsee> yeah
[09:36] <robotgeek_away> great!
[09:39] <robotgeek_away> Hobbsee: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/kdebase/+bugs is probably not the place too :P
[09:39] <Hobbsee> robotgeek_away: hehe - launchpad search must be screwed again
[09:39] <robotgeek_away> i do get a lot if i get rid of dapper
[09:40] <Hobbsee> ah...that'll be it, i think
[09:50] <seaLne> when you file a bug, you can't file it against a version
[09:51] <robotgeek_away> why not, doesn't it make it easier?
[09:51] <robotgeek_away> bug #38692
[09:51] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 38692 in kde-systemsettings "systemsettings doesn't load Display, Disk and Filesystems control module" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/38692
[09:51] <seaLne> its not a question you get asked when filing the bug
[10:43] <marseillai> hi
[10:47] <Hobbsee> hi marseillai 
[10:48] <marseillai> I got a depedency problem with libqt3-mt-mysql i think it's due to amarok 1.4-Rc1 from Riddell's depot but I'm not sure I don't know if this problem has been reported I'm not really good in malone .....
[10:49] <marseillai> and I've just see that there's a problem with kubuntu-docs : dpkg: erreur de traitement de kubuntu-docs (--configure)
[10:51] <marseillai> it seems kubuntu-docs bug has been reported
[10:52] <Hobbsee> yeah, kubuntu-docs bug has been hit by many people
[10:52] <Hobbsee> havent heard of the other one though
[10:54] <marseillai> i've dpkg -r kubuntu-docs to be able to use apt-get .....
[10:56] <marseillai> Hobbsee: could you tell me if the libqt3-mt-mysql bug have been reported? i can't find it?
[10:56] <marseillai> if you have amarok 1.4-rc1 could you verify if it's really him wich create this dependency bug ?
[10:58] <Hobbsee>  libqt3-mt-mysql is not the name of the source package, that's the name of the binary
[10:58] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure about the other stuff
[10:59] <marseillai> oki
[10:59] <marseillai> i'll take a look at this
[10:59] <marseillai> thx
[10:59] <Hobbsee> hang on....
[11:00] <Hobbsee> we're getting a few more new packages here...
[11:00] <Hobbsee> wonder what these do
[11:06] <marseillai> yop
[11:06] <marseillai> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/qt-x11-free/+bug/38701/+index
[11:06] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 38701 in qt-x11-free "libqt3-mt-mysql can't be upgrade" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  
[11:06] <marseillai> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-docs/+bug/38690
[11:06] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 38690 in kubuntu-docs "Latest kubuntu-docs can't find /usr/share/doc-base/kubuntu-adept when updating" [Normal,Confirmed]  
[11:06] <marseillai> arf sorry! it's a mystake i didn't want to past it there
[11:07] <Hobbsee> i can see there's a problem here, but for the life of me, i cant figure out why!
[11:07] <Hobbsee> mind you, i didnt package them in the first place
[11:08] <freeflying> marseillai:  as for #38701 , have you noticed Mysql libraries changed, third party repositories broken
[11:09] <marseillai> freeflying: i'm french and i'm not really good at english
[11:09] <marseillai> in english .......
[11:10] <Hobbsee> hmmm...aptitude does a better job of showing borked dependancies than apt-get - must remember that
[11:10] <marseillai> i've not notice anything for this bug except that it brokes my dependencies and that i've not see any bug report for it
[11:11] <marseillai> i don't know aptitude ........
[11:11] <Hobbsee> hang on...
[11:12] <Hobbsee> ah, gotcah
[11:12] <Hobbsee> *gotcha
[11:12] <Hobbsee> amarok needs fixing
[11:15] <freeflying> Hobbsee: what's wrong with amarok 
[11:15] <Hobbsee> libmysqlclient15off replaces libmysqlclient15 <-- the amarok packages havent been updated to fix this
[11:15] <Hobbsee> freeflying: amarok depends on libmysqlclient15 - but libmysqlclient15off replaces it
[11:15] <seaLne> stupid package name changes :)
[11:15] <Hobbsee> hehe yeah
[11:15] <freeflying> Hobbsee: it's known bugs , :)
[11:16] <Hobbsee> anyone done a patch for it yet?
[11:16] <Hobbsee> or should we just poke Riddell to fix his repos from there?
[11:16] <freeflying> Hobbsee: no , tell me the url of source package , I can do it 
[11:17] <Hobbsee> freeflying: of amarok?
[11:17] <seaLne> freeflying: kubuntu.rg/packages/amarok-14beta2
[11:17] <seaLne> with an o in there
[11:18] <freeflying> Hobbsee: you can do it also , just replace the build-dep 
[11:18] <Hobbsee> dep, not build dep.
[11:18] <Hobbsee> yeah, i'm not asking how to patch it - i'm asking if it's more helpful to send a patch to riddell, or to just let him do it from where he is...
[11:18] <Hobbsee> speaking of which, where is he - its' 10am there
[11:18] <seaLne> koffice-15rc1 broke aswell
[11:19] <Hobbsee> so did some of the python stuff
[11:19] <Hobbsee> who has uploads to main?  does raphink?
[11:19] <freeflying> Hobbsee: let me check it
[11:19] <seaLne> he can
[11:19] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: guy needs to sleep too, you know
[11:20] <Hobbsee> bah, sleep's overrated
[11:20] <freeflying> Hobbsee: this amarok is not in main , just in Riddell's repo
[11:20] <Hobbsee> freeflying: yes, but the amarok in main is probably affected too
[11:20] <freeflying> jpatrick: hi, kerry-0.1 is out
[11:20] <Hobbsee> python stuff is in main though
[11:20] <Hobbsee> raphink: do you have upload privs to main, by any chance?
[11:20] <freeflying> Hobbsee: reiddell will fix it soon  :)
[11:20] <Hobbsee> hehe - he's told you that?
[11:21] <raphink> Hobbsee: you're lucky
[11:21] <raphink> ;)
[11:21] <raphink> hehe
[11:21] <jpatrick> freeflying: ok, now I have to get an UVF thing for kmplayer and kerry
[11:21] <Hobbsee> raphink: i take it that's a yes?
[11:21] <raphink> currently the main Kubuntu devs with main rights are Riddell, \sh and I
[11:22] <Hobbsee> right
[11:22] <Hobbsee> raphink: i'm thinking of patching a few of the broken packages - a dep changed, and a whole lot of packages broke
[11:22] <Hobbsee> and i'm thinking of doing it now, before we all get inundated with bug reports
[11:22] <raphink> ok
[11:22] <raphink> sure
[11:22] <freeflying> jpatrick: maybe you can add another one : kaffeine 
[11:22] <raphink> send me the patches Hobbsee
[11:23] <Hobbsee> will do - gotta make them first
[11:23] <jpatrick> freeflying: :)
[11:24] <freeflying> jpatrick: kaffeine-0.8 is tested in debian now 
[11:24] <jpatrick> freeflying: will do
[11:25] <Hobbsee> hang on...now i'm confusing myself hehe
[11:25] <freeflying> jpatrick: seems kaffeine's UVFe is hard to be approved , it's in main 
[11:26] <jpatrick> :/
[11:28] <Hobbsee> raphink: ok, i'm an idiot, it's a problem with the amarok packages only, not a whole heap of stuff in main
[11:29] <Hobbsee> might still need the main upload yet hehe
[11:29] <raphink> hehe
[11:29] <raphink> send me the patch
[11:29] <raphink> and I'll try to find some time to test/review and upload
[11:29] <hunger> kubuntu-docs fails to install here.
[11:30] <hunger> No control file in /usr/share/doc-base/kubuntu-adept.
[11:30] <Hobbsee> hunger: yeah, there's https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-docs/+bug/38690
[11:30] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 38690 in kubuntu-docs "Latest kubuntu-docs can't find /usr/share/doc-base/kubuntu-adept when updating" [Normal,Confirmed]  
[11:30] <mornfall> any news about the adept guide? :)
[11:31] <hunger> Hobbsee: Well, I can confirm that one.-)
[11:31] <Hobbsee> hehe
[11:31] <mornfall> doc.ubuntu.com seems to have old version
[11:32] <Hobbsee> argh!  now i've confused myself even worse - libmysqlclient15 isnt even listed as a dep for amarok!  why!
[11:37] <jpatrick> damn, it's called libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10-dev
[11:37] <hunger> That konqui has trouble following links nowadays is a PITA.
[11:37] <Riddell> morning all
[11:37] <Hobbsee> morning Riddell 
[11:37] <jpatrick> morning Riddell
[11:37] <Hobbsee> another day, more breakage :P
[11:38] <jpatrick> a new day, a new upstream release of kmplayer with gst0.10
[11:38] <Hobbsee> and one very confused hobbsee, hehe!
[11:43] <mornfall> i'm bored
[11:43] <raphink> hi Riddell
[11:44] <jpatrick> mornfall: welcome to the club
[11:44] <mornfall> do you play freeciv? :] 
[11:44] <hunger> Anyone seeing this:
[11:45] <hunger> Using konqi as a browser following some links I get a popup, informing me that I am about to open a document of type text/html.
[11:46] <hunger> I choose "Open in konqueror there" and get a popup about konqueror not able to handle text/html files.
[11:46] <hunger> When middle-clicking on the same link to open it in a new tab everything is fine.
[11:47] <hunger> Example: "Read past strips" on http://www.unitedmedia.com/comics/dilbert/
[11:48] <hunger> Plus that page will not load (konqui does not handle text/html) when not opening it in an empty tab.
[11:49] <Riddell> works for me
[11:50] <pef> for me too :)
[11:50] <Hobbsee> anyone any good on packaging libraries, and all that?
[11:50] <Hobbsee> or do i want to give up, and let this bug slide lol?
[11:50] <hunger> Riddell: Hmmm... I am seeing this issue for the last couple of days now:-(
[11:53] <jpatrick> mornfall: I have that problem
[11:56] <mornfall> jpatrick: hmm, what problem?
[11:57] <jpatrick> mornfall: kubuntu-doc one
[11:57] <mornfall> ah
[12:02] <jpatrick> freeflying: malone 38703
[12:02] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 38703 in kerry "UVF kerry 0.09 -> 0.1" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/38703
[12:06] <Riddell> hunger: what's the issue?
[12:06] <Riddell> Hobbsee rather
[12:06] <freeflying> jpatrick: assigned to motureviewer
[12:06] <Hobbsee> Riddell: read in -motu, if you want
[12:06] <Hobbsee> siretart partially answered
[12:07] <jpatrick> freeflying: no motu-uvf team
[12:07] <danimo_> has anyone seen sime?
[12:07] <Riddell> danimo_: he blogged about his hard disk being broken
[12:07] <danimo_> eeek
[12:07] <Hobbsee> danimo_: [20:07]  [Notice]  -NickServ-           Last Seen: 2 days (20h 18m 4s) ago
[12:08] <jpatrick> my hard disk has a SMART error
[12:08] <danimo_> Riddell: now that I have time to debug the widescreen laptop - 3:4 external display problem with him
[12:08] <danimo_> Riddell: damn
[12:08] <Riddell> http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/1909
[12:10] <danimo_> Riddell: do you know why suspend2 is still not in ubuntu's kernel?
[12:10] <Riddell> danimo_: no idea, but they probably thought it not stable enough for a long term release like dapper
[12:10] <marseillai_> danimo_: because ubuntu-devs don't want to include it! they want to wait for kernel-dev to do it
[12:11] <marseillai_> it's too many works they said for something that will come in a kernel release .....
[12:11] <danimo_> marseillai_: which is probably not gonna happen as the swsup devs seem to try to keep it out
[12:11] <danimo_> marseillai_: it will?
[12:11] <marseillai_> danimo_: yes.
[12:12] <danimo_> marseillai_: what "yes"
[12:12] <danimo_> ?
[12:13] <marseillai_> danimo_: it seems that susp2 does something wrong (don't know what) and that susp is being improved with a splash and improvment from susp2! so no susp2 will not be include in kernel. so this is the reason why ubuntu-dev don't want to include it
[12:13] <danimo_> marseillai_: kind of frustrating given that susp2 just works (tm)
[12:14] <danimo_> and the kernel stuff does not
[12:14] <marseillai_> never try it
[12:14] <marseillai_> now the kernel stuff works for me
[12:14] <danimo_> I'm on it, but i have to use a vanilla kernel
[12:14] <marseillai_> klaptopdaemon don't but kernel yes
[12:14] <mornfall> is there something suspend2 does over current suspend to disk/acpi/swsusp?
[12:15] <danimo_> mornfall: it's faster and it can handle encrypted swap
[12:15] <danimo_> mornfall: and it works on more hardware
[12:15] <mornfall> danimo_: and the downsides? :)
[12:16] <danimo_> mornfall: it's not in the vanilla kernel
[12:16] <mornfall> danimo_: probably there's a reason to that
[12:16] <marseillai_> mornfall: really hard to include in kernel!
[12:16] <marseillai_> so ubuntu-devs don't want to do this work for something that will be replace "soon"
[12:17] <mornfall> plugin architecture in suspend2
[12:17] <mornfall> wee
[12:17] <marseillai_> Hobbsee: could you confirm my bug ? https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/qt-x11-free/+bug/38701
[12:17] <danimo_> marseillai_: it's not. the latest version is a nicely split patchset
[12:17] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 38701 in qt-x11-free "libqt3-mt-mysql can't be upgrade" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  
[12:18] <danimo_> marseillai_: by request. before it used to be a monolitic patch
[12:18] <danimo_> it's complex in that is quite a lot of changes
[12:18] <danimo_> but imho it would be worth it
[12:18] <Hobbsee> marseillai_: yeah, that's supposed to be fixed with a rebuild, according to Riddell 
[12:18] <danimo_> currently suspend is what keeps most of my friends away from kubuntu
[12:19] <danimo_> (they're all on laptops)
[12:19] <marseillai_> Hobbsee: oki
[12:19] <Riddell> marseillai_: libqt3-mt-mysql has been rebuilt against the new libmysql, it should work fine
[12:19] <Hobbsee> danimo_: breezy or dapper?  the new kernel and kpowersave seems to suspend quite decently on some more machines than it used to
[12:19] <danimo_> Hobbsee: dapper
[12:20] <marseillai_> Riddell: don't understand your sentence
[12:20] <mornfall> danimo_: i give uswsusp more chances
[12:20] <danimo_> Hobbsee: for my laptop, it fails to suspend when running on battery for instance
[12:20] <jpatrick> Riddell: new kmplayer has gst0.10 support but I can't get anything to play on it, so I'll keep the default to xine
[12:20] <marseillai_> danimo_: yes it's thrue you should try kpowersave from tonio repository
[12:20] <Hobbsee> marseillai_: means "it's fixed for amarok 1.3.9"
[12:20] <danimo_> marseillai_: how does this help?
[12:21] <Riddell> marseillai_: libqt3-mt-mysql a besoin de la neauvaux mysql, mais il y a deja un libqt3-mt-mysql dans les archives qui utilise le neauvaux mysql donc le problemme est passe
[12:21] <marseillai_> Hobbsee: oki! but with amarok 1.4 ?
[12:21] <Hobbsee> marseillai_: wait for it.
[12:21] <marseillai_> oki
[12:21] <marseillai_> merci Riddell 
[12:21] <danimo_> Riddell: funny enough I cannot either chose amarok or qt4 btw
[12:21] <Riddell> danimo_: what happens?
[12:22] <danimo_> Riddell: amarok beta packages, but it still shouldn't conflict in libmysql3 packages
[12:22] <Riddell> oh yes, that'll happen
[12:22] <danimo_> libmysqlclient15
[12:22] <danimo_> vs something similar
[12:22] <danimo_> Riddell: why is that?
[12:23] <Hobbsee> danimo_: that's what we've been discussing...hehe
[12:23] <Riddell> libmysqlclient15 had a binary incompatible change, and I havn't recompiled amarok to build against the new one yet
[12:23] <mornfall> Hobbsee looks dangerously now
[12:23] <Riddell> marseillai: on doit attende pour la neuxeux amarok
[12:23] <danimo_> Riddell: ah ok
[12:23] <danimo_> no amarok for me then
[12:23] <Hobbsee> mornfall: idiots who spam annoy me hehe
[12:23] <danimo_> Riddell: the new beta was planned for this weekend btw
[12:24] <danimo_> no idea what happend to it
[12:24] <Riddell> danimo_: its being released tomorrow evening
[12:24] <danimo_> ah. cool
[12:24] <danimo_> that long I can wait
[12:24] <Riddell> danimo_: I'll do new amarok pacakges after I've done koffice
[12:24] <Riddell> so it'll be done today
[12:24] <marseillai> what a really good news!
[12:24] <danimo_> Riddell: cool
[12:24] <Hobbsee> woot!
[12:25] <Hobbsee> koffice takes a while though
[12:25] <Riddell> Hobbsee: certainly does, should give me time to get breakfast :)
[12:25] <Hobbsee> LOL!
[12:25] <Hobbsee> food's overrated.  
[12:25] <Hobbsee> so's passing out, but that's irrelevant
[12:25] <mornfall> :)
[12:26] <marseillai> and Riddell after testing FC5, suse beta, using breezy and dapper i can say you tonio_ raphink and others devs have really done a SO GREAT job!
[12:26] <Riddell> marseillai: merci beaucoup :)
[12:27] <marseillai> c'est moi qui te remercie! :)
[12:27] <marseillai> kde 3.5.2 roxxxx et il est tres bien intgr!
[12:28] <marseillai> lol
[12:28] <marseillai> roxxxx means is really great but it's not really french
[12:30] <marseillai> so! let's try konversation now! perhaps leaving xchat!
[12:30] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:30] <Hobbsee> marseillai: konv lacks decent scripting...
[12:30] <Hobbsee> unfortunately
[12:31] <Hobbsee> oh crud...what was i saying earlier about passing out being a bad thing?
[12:31] <marseillai> Hobbsee: i've had many problems with konversation for scritpting, auto-identy, auto-invite to channel and irc-op help's script
[12:31] <Hobbsee> think i'll go cook some dinner, before i really do pass out...
[12:31] <Hobbsee> oh ok
[12:32] <Hobbsee_away> sheesh...stupid hobbsee.....
[12:32] <Hobbsee_away> back later
[01:13] <kmon> good morning
[01:14] <kmon> the recently updated package kubuntu-docs fails to install
[01:14] <kmon> "/usr/share/doc-base/kubuntu-adept: cannot open control file for reading: No existe el fichero o el directorio"
[01:15] <marseillai> you must dpkg remove the package and wait for a new update then reinstall kubuntu-desktop
[01:15] <kmon> marseillai: yes, I know
[01:16] <kmon> marseillai: thanxs
[01:19] <Hobbsee> kmon: yes, there's a bug filed for it
[01:21] <marseillai> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-docs/+bug/38690
[01:21] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 38690 in kubuntu-docs "Latest kubuntu-docs can't find /usr/share/doc-base/kubuntu-adept when updating" [Normal,Fix committed]  
[01:21] <kmon> Hobbsee: Thanxs for pointing out
[01:22] <Hobbsee> that's the one, no problems
[01:22] <Tm_T> :)
[01:22] <Tm_T> morning/evening Hobbsee :)
[01:22] <Hobbsee> evening Tm_T 
[01:32] <marseillai> Hobbsee: do you know how i can do in order to execute several command when I log into a chan with konversation! i can execute one but i don't know how to execute several commands
[01:32] <Hobbsee> marseillai: command1 && command2 && command3 would be the way you usually do it
[01:32] <Hobbsee> not sure if that works in konv though - i stopped testing, before annoying the -offtopic people too much :P
[01:32] <marseillai> oki i was using ";"
[01:33] <Hobbsee> might be that, but i'm assuming &&
[01:33] <Hobbsee> seeing as it's && in bash and c++
[01:34] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: =)
[01:34] <Tm_T> && yes
[01:34] <Tm_T> & and ; are also fine
[01:34] <Tm_T> acts differently though
[01:34] <Tm_T> && = continue if all goes fine
[01:34] <marseillai> Hobbsee: doesn't work too....
[01:34] <Tm_T> ie continue only without errors
[01:34] <Hobbsee> darn
[01:35] <Tm_T> marseillai: try ;
[01:35] <marseillai> Tm_T: already try
[01:35] <marseillai> it was my first idea
[01:39] <marseillai> try command1 && command2 try command1&&command2 try command1 ; command2  try command1 & command2 nothing works
[01:40] <Tm_T> ok
[03:38] <Sime> is it just me or does konsole like to crash when I log out.
[03:38] <Riddell> hi sime
[03:38] <Riddell> I've not had any problems like that
[03:39] <freeflying> Sime: seems only you  :) I haven't too 
[03:39] <Sime> i'm using a different shell, but that should not matter.
[03:40] <Sime> i've been trying out the ATI drivers, making sure that thngs still work ok.
[03:40] <Sime> (they didn't)
[03:42] <kmon> on planet gnome one developer talks about monodevelop as a RAD tool. Someone in kde planet should blog about eric3 ;)
[03:43] <Riddell> the eric3 in kubuntu is buggy for unknown reasons
[03:43] <kmon> :(
[03:43] <freeflying> kmon: maybe Riddell 
[03:43] <Riddell> I've never used eric 3
[03:43] <Riddell> kate and qt designer are all I need
[03:44] <kmon> does python have something similar to p/invoke in mono/c#?
[03:44] <kmon> to call native code from c#
[03:44] <freeflying> kmon: there is another tool named newedit , perform better than eric
[03:45] <kmon> you need a python binding to the "thing" you want to call ?
[03:45] <Sime> kmon: no, but that has more to do with shared libraries in general.
[03:45] <kmon> freeflying: can you provide a link?
[03:46] <freeflying> kmon: http://wiki.woodpecker.org.cn/moin/NewEdit
[03:46] <kmon> freeflying: thanks
[03:46] <freeflying> kmon: need wxPython 
[03:46] <kmon> :(
[03:46] <kmon> I prefere a qt based one
[03:46] <freeflying> kmon: a project of python-chinese
[03:47] <kmon> It would be nice if kdeveop included full python support: integrated debugger, etc
[03:57] <jpatrick> Roeland Struijk - ring a bell?
[03:58] <Riddell> jpatrick: I'm not sure
[04:17] <mornfall> Riddell: umm, https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/38736
[04:17] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 38736 in ept adept "Adept hangs when using Skim" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  
[04:18] <mornfall> Riddell: go figure :/
[04:20] <freeflying> Riddell: how did you build amarok-1.4beta2 ? pbuilder or anything else ?
[04:25] <mornfall> freeflying: can you confirm the above behaviour?
[04:26] <Riddell> freeflying: in a chroot
[04:26] <freeflying> Riddell: need libhal-dev 
[04:26] <freeflying> mornfall: actually is scim not skim 
[04:27] <mornfall> freeflying: what you mean?
[04:27] <Hobbsee> assignment done - and it's no longer crazy spaghetti code!
[04:27] <mornfall> hey Hobbsee 
[04:27] <Hobbsee> hi mornfall 
[04:28] <Riddell> freeflying: what fdoes?
[04:28] <mornfall> Hobbsee: was it in haskell?
[04:28] <Hobbsee> it was in C++
[04:29] <freeflying> Riddell: fdose?
[04:29] <Riddell> what does?
[04:29] <freeflying> mornfall: it the problem relate with scim not skim 
[04:30] <freeflying> Riddell: pbuilder amarok failed, need libhal-dev
[04:30] <mornfall> freeflying: well, sure it does
[04:30] <mornfall> freeflying: btw it works in japanese :))
[04:30] <mornfall> on at least one system
[04:30] <mornfall> but it may also be related to kdesu
[04:32] <freeflying> mornfall: confirmed , assigned to ubuntu-cjk-tester 
[04:35] <freeflying> Riddell: 
[04:35] <freeflying> Riddell: I prepare set QT_IM_MODULE to xim instead of scim , what's your opinion ?
[04:42] <Riddell> freeflying: what does that change?
[04:44] <freeflying> Riddell: may fix bug #38736
[04:44] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 38736 in ept adept "Adept hangs when using Skim" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/38736
[04:47] <mornfall> i'll try to fix it as soon as i have the backtrace
[04:48] <freeflying> mornfall: this about the package scim-qtimm, whcih provide the scim immodule for qt 
[04:49] <Riddell> strange to only have problems with one program
[04:51] <freeflying> mornfall: maybe you can comunicate with the author of scim-qtimm , he is #scim now , nick is liucougar 
[04:52] <freeflying> as Riddell said , it's so strange , only adept can not work , others are all okey 
[04:56] <freeflying> mornfall: ping
[05:07] <mornfall> freeflying: pong
[05:07] <freeflying> mornfall: I've paste the bt message to LP 
[05:08] <mornfall> freeflying: could you please do thread apply all bt?
[05:09] <mornfall> freeflying: i can only see gui thread bt there
[05:09] <freeflying> mornfall: only one thread 
[05:10] <mornfall> hmm, no other threads at the time?
[05:10] <mornfall> info threads?
[05:33] <superstoned> riddell, mornfall: the rounded selection can be turned off. kcontrol -> look 'n feel -> style -> effects -> rubberband effect
[05:48] <mornfall> superstoned: i have that disabled -- something else
[06:02] <Riddell> a rare bit of cruelty from me
[06:05] <mornfall> Riddell :)
[06:40] <mornfall> Riddell: ha
[06:40] <mornfall> Riddell: after discussing with a scim person
[06:40] <mornfall> Riddell: i quite probably have a culprit
[06:41] <mornfall> Riddell: of the scim freeze bug
[06:44] <Riddell> oh?
[06:45] <mornfall> Riddell: scim has to start a new panel instance for root user
[06:45] <mornfall> Riddell: which happens when an input widget gets focused
[06:45] <mornfall> Riddell: which takes lots of time
[06:45] <Riddell> aah
[06:45] <mornfall> Riddell: and maybe even fails
[06:46] <mornfall> Riddell: so the suggestion is to disable cjk input for adept
[06:46] <mornfall> Riddell: since there isn't much use so far
[06:46] <mornfall> Riddell: no translated descriptions or anyting
[06:46] <mornfall> anything*
[06:46] <mornfall> hmm
[06:47] <mornfall> it may be a problem for installer though
[06:47] <Riddell> yeah
[06:47] <Riddell> why?
[06:47] <mornfall> .desktop files are translated no?
[06:47] <mornfall> and searching for cjk string may make more sense there
[06:47] <Riddell> hmm, yes
[06:47] <mornfall> it'd still be a decent workaround since non-cjk installer is more useful than no installer
[06:47] <danimo> Sime|AFK: ping me when you're back
[06:48] <mornfall> i was thinking about starting a scim panel for session both for root and user
[06:48] <mornfall> but that'll get technically unnice
[06:49] <Riddell> does it affect all root programmes?
[06:49] <mornfall> Riddell: probably yes, but they apparently don't focus an input widget upon start
[06:49] <mornfall> Riddell: so they don't trigger the problem right away
[06:50] <mornfall> Riddell: liucougar says it should take <1 minute to init itself
[06:50] <mornfall> Riddell: but a minute is still quite a bit
[06:50] <Riddell> hmm, yes
[06:51] <mornfall> Riddell: for dapper, i would go with disabled scim on adept (not sure how, but should be doable)
[06:51] <mornfall> Riddell: if we get reports that users are missing it, we can do something for dapper+1
[06:52] <Riddell> there's probably an environment variable to set it
[06:52] <mornfall> Riddell: sure, but how to set it in .desktop?
[06:52] <mornfall> .sh wrapper? ew :)
[06:53] <mornfall> well, kdesu could be patched to disable scim
[06:53] <mornfall> unless there's something that's kdesu'd and using it
[06:53] <mornfall> hmm, probably there is
[06:53] <Riddell> kcontrol modules at least
[06:54] <mornfall> yes, some of the admin modules may need cjk input
[07:12] <mornfall> Riddell: so, scim people are working on the issue of multiple users :)
[07:13] <mornfall> Riddell: this means, i'd stop worrying about it for dapper
[07:13] <mornfall> Riddell: and just disable cjk
[07:13] <mornfall> Riddell: and in dapper+1 we can hopefully have it working properly
[07:14] <Riddell> fair enough
[07:14] <Riddell> did they say how to disable cjk?
[07:18] <danimo> Sime|AFK: unping, i'm gone
[07:40] <superstoned> mornfall: i see it, disabling the rubberband doesn't work for me either. guess restarting KDE doesn't work too? really weird it doesn't work, must be some mistake. when i tried this patch for the first time on gentoo, it was easy to disable.
[07:46] <pradeepto> why does beagle come along with kerry, I know its a front end but both the UI are installed?
[07:46] <Riddell> pradeepto: because the beagle package isn't split
[07:46] <pradeepto> so will it be split in future?
[07:46] <Riddell> that would certainly be nice
[07:47] <pradeepto> yes it would be, really. I hope the maintainer/person concerned is listening.
[07:48] <pradeepto> nevertheless it works like a charm on Dapper.
[08:02] <mornfall> Riddell: there's a patch on scim ml, so it may be useful to get that in for dapper, if it's not too risky... dunnow who's in charge of scim?
[08:05] <Riddell> scim management is a combination of me, mvo, pitti and the CJK dudes like freeflying
[09:02] <Lure> Riddell: probably aware of kubuntu-docs install issue?
[09:07] <Riddell> yes, on my todo list
[09:10] <Lure> Riddell: should I prepare k-d-s with 1920x1200 image for kdm/ksplash?
[09:18] <Riddell> sure
[09:19] <Lure> Riddell: will do and I will put it somewhere for you to look at
[09:19] <Lure> now need to reboot to test new daily CD for x700/x800 bug
[10:48] <Lure> Riddell: I did change k-d-s and it works for me - this is debdiff: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/648429
[10:48] <Lure> Riddell: should I just send the packe to you e-mail?
[10:49] <Lure> s/packe/package/
[10:49] <Lure> s/you/your/ ;-)
[11:32] <marseillai> Riddell: why is there no support for musicbrainz in amarok ?
[11:37] <Riddell> marseillai: there is but only for ogg
[11:37] <marseillai> arf! there's a legacy problem for mp3 ?
[11:42] <Riddell> mp3 has patent restrictions
[11:42] <Tm_T> yup
[11:47] <jpatrick> Riddell: know if I can split the beagle package? i don't think we want a handful of Gnome stuff been pulled in by it...
[11:47] <Lure> Riddell: should I send you k-d-s (it fixes bug 35123 and bug 35133)
[11:47] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 35123 in xserver-xorg-driver-ati "Garbage on KDM screen" [Normal,Rejected]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/35123
[11:47] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 35133 in kdebase ksplash "Kubuntu splash screen mal-formatted" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/35133
[11:48] <Lure> jpatrick: that would be great if it is doable...
[11:48] <jpatrick> I'll look into it tomorrow
[11:49] <jpatrick> I'm off for now
[11:50] <marseillai> libmusicbrainz with mp3 support can't be include in universe ou multiverse ?
[11:50] <Riddell> marseillai: the next version has loadable plugins so that'll work but we can't do it with the current version
[11:50] <marseillai> oki
[12:00] <Riddell> ** testers needed for new amarok and koffice
[12:00] <Riddell> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-14beta3 dapper main
[12:00] <Riddell> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/koffice-15 dapper main
[12:00] <Riddell> danimo: poke ^^
[12:02] <LaserJock> Riddell: heah. Did you get poked about kubuntu-docs?