| neuralis | mdz: you received that automatically because you're a member of the ubuntu-server team; matt didn't address the mail to you. | 12:07 |
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| neuralis | er. s/mdz/pygi/ | 12:07 |
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| pygi | neuralis: yup, right :-/ | 12:08 |
| pygi | neuralis: I just saw u-s is assigned | 12:09 |
| KaiL | idea for X-Problems: if gdm fails, maybe add a question to change to vesa driver and re-try with that? | 12:11 |
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| mdz | KaiL: bug #27020 | 12:28 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 27020 in xorg xserver-xorg "Please make X fallback to vesa if the card driver doesn't work." [Wishlist,Fix released] http://launchpad.net/bugs/27020 | 12:28 |
| KaiL | ah, cool | 12:29 |
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| KaiL | ubuntu seams to become _to_ easy, if I see the recent idiot in #ubuntu-de *g* | 12:30 |
| Treenaks | KaiL: Yeah, I note that too in #ubuntu-nl | 12:30 |
| Treenaks | KaiL: People _expect_ things to be hard, and think to hard about their problem | 12:30 |
| Treenaks | KaiL: while the solution is right in their face | 12:30 |
| Treenaks | ('How do I burn a CD?' is a common one there) | 12:30 |
| KaiL | Treenaks, this one is great - he doesn't even know, what a GUI or a console is | 12:30 |
| ajmitch | KaiL: calling people like that 'idiots' isn't much help though :) | 12:31 |
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| Treenaks | ajmitch: What would you call them? Thinkers? :) | 12:32 |
| KaiL | ajmitch, I needed 15min to find out, if he has a running X or not ;) | 12:32 |
| Treenaks | ajmitch: 'They're called thinkers because they think too hard' :) | 12:32 |
| ajmitch | Treenaks: ignorance is different from idiocy - one is fixable :) | 12:32 |
| neuralis | Treenaks: i'd call them the ideal ubuntu beginners. | 12:32 |
| Treenaks | neuralis: sure, they all reply with 'Oh is it THAT simple' when you tell them how to burn CDs ;) | 12:33 |
| pygi | Treenaks: hehe :) | 12:33 |
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| KaiL | Treenaks, did you ever need to use nero on windows? | 12:39 |
| KaiL | after that you know, why this question comes that often ;) | 12:39 |
| dholbach | good night | 12:42 |
| KaiL | 2 other problems I saw today: | 12:47 |
| KaiL | 1. do we have drivers for intels A/B/G WLAN chip? | 12:48 |
| KaiL | 2. I saw the detection for the 'synaptics' touchpad driver failing very often | 12:49 |
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| mdz | KaiL: 1. modinfo ipw2200 | 12:55 |
| KaiL | mdz, nop | 12:56 |
| Treenaks | mdz: ip2200 doesn't cover all chips, there's the 39xx family now | 12:56 |
| KaiL | I mean the new one | 12:56 |
| Treenaks | mdz: ask mjg59 | 12:56 |
| mdz | KaiL: 2. I don't think we attempt to detect synaptics | 12:56 |
| mdz | KaiL: ipw2200 supports the 2915 which is A/B/G | 12:56 |
| KaiL | sometimes we detect synaptics ;) | 12:56 |
| KaiL | ipw 3945 ABG | 12:57 |
| Treenaks | KaiL: afaik people are working on that driver | 12:58 |
| KaiL | would be very important for dapper, imho, as it's used on all (?) Core Duo laptops | 12:58 |
| mdz | KaiL: we configure X for synaptics on all laptops | 12:59 |
| KaiL | mdz, fails on FSC Amilo M1437, afaik | 01:00 |
| mdz | KaiL: I doubt that it fails to be configured | 01:01 |
| mdz | if [ -n "$LAPTOP" ] ; then | 01:01 |
| mdz | that's the test | 01:01 |
| KaiL | strange | 01:01 |
| mdz | unless laptop-detect is wrong on your laptop | 01:01 |
| KaiL | ok, the WLAN driver is to be found at ipw3945.sf.net | 01:03 |
| KaiL | "only" needs to be integrated into dapper... | 01:03 |
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| zul | heylo | 01:10 |
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| opi | Hi guys | 01:18 |
| opi | have you noticed that dapper/universe package list is broken? | 01:18 |
| crimsun | more context? | 01:18 |
| zul | broken as in how? | 01:18 |
| KaiL | maybe mirror sync problems? | 01:19 |
| KaiL | or just file not fully loaded? | 01:19 |
| opi | oh, I'm stupid | 01:19 |
| opi | I forgot that I'm currently using .pl mirror | 01:20 |
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| opi | yeah, it's sync problem. Sorry for the mess. :-) | 01:21 |
| KaiL | for dapper I recommend to use the master, as it's more "up-to-date" | 01:21 |
| opi | that's what I just did | 01:21 |
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| opi | it's fresh installation, it was picked by installer to use .pl mirror :) | 01:21 |
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| KaiL | mdz, oh, and finnally some very strange and big bug: and deadlocks on intel 915GM known? | 01:28 |
| KaiL | FSC Amilo M1450 hangs on loading X | 01:28 |
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| jmg | guys is there a daily netinst image? | 01:54 |
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| jadaz87 | hello everyone i had wanted to come out with my own ubuntu distrobution like they have ubuntu, kubuntu, xubuntu i was wondering where can i start? | 02:29 |
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| hyperactivecrond | jadaz87: and why would you want to do this? (not cynical, just curious) and what would you put in it? | 02:31 |
| jadaz87 | i want to create a ubuntu release that is geared only towards laptop users | 02:31 |
| hyperactivecrond | jadaz87: um. how? | 02:32 |
| LaserJock | hmm, how would that be different from the current Ubuntu? | 02:32 |
| jadaz87 | adding more packages that are for mobile users as default without going to the repositories | 02:32 |
| LaserJock | why not put then in the repositories? | 02:32 |
| jadaz87 | and taking away things that are not needed for mobile users | 02:33 |
| jadaz87 | because you have to be connected to the internet to get it | 02:33 |
| LaserJock | so you want to customize the install cd, correct? | 02:33 |
| jadaz87 | i am on a HP ze5000 desktop replacement series laptop and i had to go on lan in order to get the stuff i needed to get on wireless | 02:33 |
| jadaz87 | yes a customized install cd i presume | 02:34 |
| hyperactivecrond | so customize the ce jadaz87 | 02:34 |
| hyperactivecrond | cd* | 02:34 |
| jadaz87 | that is the part i do not know how to do | 02:34 |
| LaserJock | jadaz87: you might want to check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallCDCustomizationHowTo | 02:34 |
| jadaz87 | oh ok thanks also i know i will have to get copyright permission before i can use the ubuntu name how do i go about that? | 02:35 |
| jadaz87 | and does canonical aid in any way? | 02:36 |
| hyperactivecrond | jadaz87: don't reinvent the wheel. you won't be able (i think do NOT quote me) to get listed on the official, supported by ubuntu community, caonical aided, on-the-main-page-of-the-website because it's too vague imo | 02:36 |
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| hyperactivecrond | s/aided/sponcered | 02:36 |
| hyperactivecrond | sponsered | 02:36 |
| jadaz87 | oh ok | 02:37 |
| jadaz87 | then who sponsers these other projects like xubuntu, ubuntulite? | 02:37 |
| LaserJock | umm, nobody exactly | 02:38 |
| LaserJock | I think xubuntu has some hosting from the ubuntu China LoCo team perhaps | 02:38 |
| jadaz87 | i am suprised kubuntu is on the official site then all that is, is ubuntu with kde | 02:38 |
| jadaz87 | the copyright is still going to be any issue though | 02:38 |
| LaserJock | why? | 02:38 |
| jdub | jadaz87: trademark more than copyright. see the webpage for more details about trademark licensing. | 02:39 |
| jdub | jadaz87: kubuntu is a sister project. | 02:39 |
| hyperactivecrond | jadaz87: can i /query you? | 02:39 |
| jadaz87 | LaserJock i cannot use the ubuntu trademark with out permission | 02:39 |
| jadaz87 | what does /query do? | 02:39 |
| hyperactivecrond | same as /msg but keeps window open | 02:40 |
| jadaz87 | oh sure | 02:40 |
| LaserJock | jadaz87: why would you use the ubuntu trademark? | 02:40 |
| jadaz87 | LaserJock the same reason why xubuntu gets to use it | 02:40 |
| LaserJock | it does? | 02:41 |
| LaserJock | sorry, I'm very ignorant when it comes to these issues | 02:41 |
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| bddebian | Is /usr/bin/X11 supposed to be symlinked to ../bin? | 03:58 |
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| jdong | bddebian: yes... | 04:01 |
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| Lathiat | bddebian: yes, as everythig nin /usr/bin/X11 was moved to /usr/bin, symlink is there for backwards compat | 04:15 |
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| bddebian | Lathiat: That was my guess, I was just curious because of Malone bug 4599 | 04:15 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 4599 in wdm "wdm expects "X" at wrong location: /usr/bin/X11/X" [Normal,Needs info] http://launchpad.net/bugs/4599 | 04:15 |
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| Burgundavia | infinity: is there a known issue with the madwifi module barfing in fligh 6? | 04:38 |
| bddebian | infinity: Get your drunk ass off the floor and tell me how to fix ivtools.. :-) | 04:40 |
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| Burgundavia | bddebian: bad boy :) | 04:40 |
| bddebian | :-) | 04:41 |
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| joelbryan | hello, If all people in the planet that use Ubuntu will auto-join #ubuntu, do you think that would going to be a total chaos. | 05:51 |
| bddebian | probably couldn't be much worse that #debian :-) | 05:52 |
| joelbryan | so if not, then US will join #ubuntu-US | 05:52 |
| andrewski | at this point, you wouldn't even notice a difference in #ubuntu. it's already too fast for comprehension. | 05:52 |
| joelbryan | to solve that problem, the users will not auto-join #ubuntu, but will join #ubuntu-USA if they live in USA. | 05:55 |
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| bluefoxicy | I have a dumb question | 06:03 |
| bluefoxicy | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BOFs/Xen | 06:03 |
| bluefoxicy | Why is SimosXenetelis dependent on this? | 06:03 |
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| LaserJock | bluefoxicy: because the dependents are calculated from a Full Text Search of Xen | 06:11 |
| bluefoxicy | LaserJock: ah. | 06:14 |
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| bluefoxicy | okay help | 06:30 |
| bluefoxicy | I don't know the best way to do roaming profiles-- NFS, samba, or sshfs | 06:30 |
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| andrewski | is it appropriate to piggyback on someone else's laptop testing report in the wiki, e.g. to give results of something they didn't test or to clarify/mention more details? or should i perform a brand new test? | 06:42 |
| jmg | hey all | 06:45 |
| jmg | ubuntu-artwork is horked? | 06:45 |
| andrewski | horked? | 06:46 |
| jmg | broken | 06:49 |
| jmg | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11733 anyone? | 06:49 |
| jmg | it's in the postinst | 06:49 |
| andrewski | my ubuntu-artwork is 13 now. | 06:50 |
| jmg | hmm... nz mirror out of date. | 06:51 |
| jmg | gack | 06:51 |
| andrewski | maybe try the us one (that's what i'm on) | 06:51 |
| jmg | yeah im updating now | 06:51 |
| jmg | thx | 06:51 |
| andrewski | cool | 06:51 |
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| mwright1 | hi | 06:52 |
| andrewski | i'm actually having trouble with gnome-app-install, it's looking for python-dbus, which isn't available, so it can't be updated. is that bugworthy? | 06:52 |
| andrewski | jmg: maybe you'll see that one crop up as soon as you update. ;) | 06:52 |
| jmg | andrewski: le sigh :) | 06:53 |
| andrewski | it's not a big deal for me; i don't use g-a-i. but i think i'll throw it at launchpad, for posterity. | 06:54 |
| jmg | i got a new one | 06:57 |
| jmg | Setting up kubuntu-docs (6.06-2) ... | 06:57 |
| jmg | /usr/share/doc-base/kubuntu-adept: cannot open control file for reading: No such file or directory | 06:57 |
| andrewski | hmm... what if you try installing adept first? does that help? | 06:58 |
| jmg | it's installed | 06:58 |
| andrewski | erm... dunno. ^_^ | 06:58 |
| mwright1 | can someone give an opinion as to why I need to test this bug with 5.10 when I have filed it for Dapper drake | 07:00 |
| mwright1 | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gnome-vfs2/+bug/36647 | 07:00 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 36647 in Baltix "setgid not respected when copying into a directory" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 07:00 |
| andrewski | mwright1: looks like they're wondering if this is a bug that used to work. also, they're wondering if you could supply some steps to reproduce it, so that sebastian and others could reproduce it. | 07:02 |
| andrewski | so if you've never tried on 5.10, i guess you could just say "dunno". :) | 07:03 |
| jmg | where is the config.gz for the ubuntu kernel? | 07:21 |
| jmg | why would you turn such a useful option off? | 07:21 |
| jmg | anyone got a link to the .config used for linux-image? | 07:24 |
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| hile | jmg, /boot/config-* ... | 07:35 |
| hile | you really just don't need the /proc version since it's always packaged to the image | 07:36 |
| mwright1 | andrewski: it's easy to reproduce | 07:38 |
| mwright1 | I can do that, but I do not have a ubuntu 5.1 box | 07:38 |
| mwright1 | or install / live cds | 07:38 |
| andrewski | mwright1: good. then it'd be easy to document on the bug. :) i don't think it's essential that you test it on breezy; it was just something that would be helpful to know. | 07:38 |
| andrewski | the important thing is helping someone else reproduce it. maybe with some test dirs/files that you could create? | 07:39 |
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| nadjyla | hello | 07:49 |
| LaserJock | hi nadjyla | 07:53 |
| mwright1 | andrewski: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gnome-vfs2/+bug/36647/+index is now upto date, there is step by step instructions to reproduce it and breezy + updates has been tested and it has the bug also | 08:03 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 36647 in gnome-vfs "setgid not respected when copying into a directory" [Unknown,Unknown] | 08:03 |
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| mwright1 | I think the problem is cause gnome is doing a move by default | 08:06 |
| mwright1 | even though the user requests a copy and that is the process which shoudl be taking place | 08:06 |
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| lifeless | ogra: not fixed for me | 08:14 |
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| whiprush | jdub: around? | 09:23 |
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| mwright1 | this is a usability question with gnome filemanager... nautilus | 10:00 |
| mwright1 | who makes those calls. | 10:00 |
| bmon | mwright1: I don't think the main devels are around | 10:04 |
| bmon | I'm not a devel at all | 10:05 |
| bmon | but whats the issue? | 10:05 |
| mwright1 | well i mistakenly put a bug in that setgid for group permissions wasn't being respected for copy action in nautilus | 10:06 |
| mwright1 | however it is being respected for copy action | 10:06 |
| mwright1 | the problem is with the move action ... being the default action | 10:06 |
| mwright1 | regular users want to move a file to a destination directory and don't want to change permissions themselves to make it available to their colleagues who are members of the same group | 10:07 |
| mwright1 | mv is the same as cp -a permissions wise in unix | 10:07 |
| mwright1 | I feel this is not the right way to do things in the end user world | 10:08 |
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| tepsipakki | mactel-boot from daily-dvd with bootcamp doesn't work :) usplash image is not visible, so there is something wrong with vesa? | 12:37 |
| mjg59 | The firmware's vesa doesn't seem to quite match the kernel's idea of vesa | 12:38 |
| mjg59 | This new firmware makes life quite difficult | 12:39 |
| tepsipakki | I bet | 12:39 |
| jpatrick | can someone look at malone 38705 ? | 12:39 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 38705 in kmplayer "UVF kmplayer 0.9.2-pre3 -> 0.9.2-rc1" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/38705 | 12:39 |
| mjg59 | tepsipakki: But right now, you won't be able to install on a Mac (even using the new firmware) | 12:40 |
| tepsipakki | I'm not even trying, but a friend of mine who told that it wont work :) | 12:40 |
| tepsipakki | so no worries | 12:41 |
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| siretart | did someone recently filed a bug in malone via email? are they any bad caveats I need to consider? | 01:17 |
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| pef | can someone with main upload privileges have a look at #37422 ? just added desktop file, debdiff is provided, thanks ! | 02:41 |
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| mdke | can anyone tell me what package I need to file a bug on if I want to complain about the names that other mounted partitions are given on the desktop? | 03:32 |
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| ivoks | mdke: pmount, but let me check that... | 03:35 |
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| ivoks | no, it's not pmount | 03:36 |
| mdke | ivoks, could it be gnome-volume-manager or something? | 03:36 |
| ivoks | no, it's not gvm | 03:36 |
| ivoks | it's hal or dbus :) | 03:36 |
| ivoks | more likely hal | 03:36 |
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| mdke | ivoks, ok, I'll file there, it can get reassigned if wrong | 03:37 |
| ivoks | yes, it's hal | 03:37 |
| mdke | thanks! | 03:37 |
| ivoks | what bug # is that? | 03:37 |
| ivoks | it's acctually not a bug, it's a feature | 03:38 |
| ivoks | names are given according to label name | 03:38 |
| mdke | i didn't file it yet | 03:38 |
| mdke | but my breezy partition appears as "/" which is kinda silly, given that I already have a "/" | 03:38 |
| ivoks | hm | 03:39 |
| mdke | i'd prefer it to appear as /media/whatever | 03:39 |
| ivoks | what's it's label name? | 03:39 |
| mdke | I don't know. | 03:39 |
| ivoks | mdke: you can do that, but that's not a bug | 03:39 |
| mdke | imo it's a bug for it to appear under a name which suggests its my root directory, when it isn't | 03:39 |
| ivoks | mdke: dirty way is to change /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/10-storage-policy.fdi | 03:39 |
| mdke | i think i'll file it and take the risk of rejection :) | 03:40 |
| ivoks | mdke: but there is a nicer way, but i'm not sure wich is it... :( | 03:40 |
| mdke | gtg, thanks for your help | 03:40 |
| ivoks | :) ok | 03:40 |
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| zul | heylo | 03:41 |
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| infinity | mdz: Around? Any objections to a UVF exception for re2c (from 0.9.10 to 0.9.12) to satisfy PHP's insistence that anything (<< 0.9.11) is broken? | 03:57 |
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| sladen | tepsipakki: on the ATI mactels (the iMac) the video BIOS is buggy | 04:16 |
| sladen | tepsipakki: ^^legacy VGA BIOS | 04:16 |
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| andrewski | is a regression in the support on dapper for a printer/scanner bugworthy? | 07:00 |
| Yagisan | andrewski: I'd assume so, dapper is supposed to be better | 07:02 |
| andrewski | Yagisan: one would think. :) yeah, i'll go ahead and file it and if any devs want to yell at me, i'll let 'em. ;) | 07:02 |
| andrewski | but first, i guess i should try it on flight 6. | 07:03 |
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| nictuku | Seveas, hi. are you there, and not busy? | 07:37 |
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| Seveas | yes and no | 07:43 |
| Seveas | if this is about the cloak: it's on it's way | 07:43 |
| mdke | yves, ^ | 07:43 |
| yves | ah ok, thank you again | 07:44 |
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| LaserJock | actually, I haven't really figured out exactly why it is useful, other than people can tell ubuntu members from the hostmask | 07:47 |
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| bluefoxicy | LaserJock: it's useful so we can bug you when X breaks :P | 08:18 |
| === bluefoxicy remembers when X broke in breezy devel for like a month.... | ||
| LaserJock | and if you bugged me, it would be pretty pointless ;-) | 08:19 |
| Treenaks | LaserJock: this is why I don't have a cloak. I hate them. | 08:20 |
| Treenaks | LaserJock: I can be found _anyway_, just google my nick | 08:20 |
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| LaserJock | Treenaks: heh, I just found when I was starting out that it was easier to tell if a person had some Ubuntu experience because of the cloak | 08:23 |
| Treenaks | LaserJock: hm.. that's a point, but you could also look on launchpad for that | 08:23 |
| LaserJock | perhaps, although LP has some weirdnesses that way. | 08:23 |
| LaserJock | I mean, that Shuttleworth guy has got 180000+ karma, but what has he done for Ubuntu ;-p | 08:26 |
| Treenaks | lp needs a qdb module ;) | 08:26 |
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| lifeless | ogra: around ? | 11:48 |
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