[12:07] <neuralis> mdz: you received that automatically because you're a member of the ubuntu-server team; matt didn't address the mail to you.
[12:07] <neuralis> er. s/mdz/pygi/
[12:08] <pygi> neuralis: yup, right :-/
[12:09] <pygi> neuralis: I just saw u-s is assigned
[12:11] <KaiL> idea for X-Problems: if gdm fails, maybe add a question to change to vesa driver and re-try with that?
[12:28] <mdz> KaiL: bug #27020
[12:28] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 27020 in xorg xserver-xorg "Please make X fallback to vesa if the card driver doesn't work." [Wishlist,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/27020
[12:29] <KaiL> ah, cool
[12:30] <KaiL> ubuntu seams to become _to_ easy, if I see the recent idiot in #ubuntu-de *g*
[12:30] <Treenaks> KaiL: Yeah, I note that too in #ubuntu-nl
[12:30] <Treenaks> KaiL: People _expect_ things to be hard, and think to hard about their problem
[12:30] <Treenaks> KaiL: while the solution is right in their face
[12:30] <Treenaks> ('How do I burn a CD?' is a common one there)
[12:30] <KaiL> Treenaks, this one is great - he doesn't even know, what a GUI or a console is
[12:31] <ajmitch> KaiL: calling people like that 'idiots' isn't much help though :)
[12:32] <Treenaks> ajmitch: What would you call them? Thinkers? :)
[12:32] <KaiL> ajmitch, I needed 15min to find out, if he has a running X or not ;)
[12:32] <Treenaks> ajmitch: 'They're called thinkers because they think too hard' :)
[12:32] <ajmitch> Treenaks: ignorance is different from idiocy - one is fixable :)
[12:32] <neuralis> Treenaks: i'd call them the ideal ubuntu beginners.
[12:33] <Treenaks> neuralis: sure, they all reply with 'Oh is it THAT simple' when you tell them how to burn CDs ;)
[12:33] <pygi> Treenaks: hehe :)
[12:39] <KaiL> Treenaks, did you ever need to use nero on windows?
[12:39] <KaiL> after that you know, why this question comes that often ;)
[12:42] <dholbach> good night
[12:47] <KaiL> 2 other problems I saw today:
[12:48] <KaiL> 1. do we have drivers for intels A/B/G WLAN chip?
[12:49] <KaiL> 2. I saw the detection for the 'synaptics' touchpad driver failing very often
[12:55] <mdz> KaiL: 1. modinfo ipw2200
[12:56] <KaiL> mdz, nop
[12:56] <Treenaks> mdz: ip2200 doesn't cover all chips, there's the 39xx family now
[12:56] <KaiL> I mean the new one
[12:56] <Treenaks> mdz: ask mjg59
[12:56] <mdz> KaiL: 2. I don't think we attempt to detect synaptics
[12:56] <mdz> KaiL: ipw2200 supports the 2915 which is A/B/G
[12:56] <KaiL> sometimes we detect synaptics ;)
[12:57] <KaiL> ipw 3945 ABG
[12:58] <Treenaks> KaiL: afaik people are working on that driver
[12:58] <KaiL> would be very important for dapper, imho, as it's used on all (?) Core Duo laptops
[12:59] <mdz> KaiL: we configure X for synaptics on all laptops
[01:00] <KaiL> mdz, fails on FSC Amilo M1437, afaik
[01:01] <mdz> KaiL: I doubt that it fails to be configured
[01:01] <mdz> if [ -n "$LAPTOP" ] ; then
[01:01] <mdz> that's the test
[01:01] <KaiL> strange
[01:01] <mdz> unless laptop-detect is wrong on your laptop
[01:03] <KaiL> ok, the WLAN driver is to be found at ipw3945.sf.net
[01:03] <KaiL> "only" needs to be integrated into dapper...
[01:10] <zul> heylo
[01:18] <opi> Hi guys
[01:18] <opi> have you noticed that dapper/universe package list is broken?
[01:18] <crimsun> more context?
[01:18] <zul> broken as in how?
[01:19] <KaiL> maybe mirror sync problems?
[01:19] <KaiL> or just file not fully loaded?
[01:19] <opi> oh, I'm stupid
[01:20] <opi> I forgot that I'm currently using .pl mirror
[01:21] <opi> yeah, it's sync problem. Sorry for the mess. :-)
[01:21] <KaiL> for dapper I recommend to use the master, as it's more "up-to-date"
[01:21] <opi> that's what I just did
[01:21] <opi> it's fresh installation, it was picked by installer to use .pl mirror :)
[01:28] <KaiL> mdz, oh, and finnally some very strange and big bug: and deadlocks on intel 915GM known?
[01:28] <KaiL> FSC Amilo M1450 hangs on loading X
[01:54] <jmg> guys is there a daily netinst image?
[02:29] <jadaz87> hello everyone i had wanted to come out with my own ubuntu distrobution like they have ubuntu, kubuntu, xubuntu i was wondering where can i start?
[02:31] <hyperactivecrond> jadaz87: and why would you want to do this? (not cynical, just curious) and what would you put in it?
[02:31] <jadaz87> i want to create a ubuntu release that is geared only towards laptop users
[02:32] <hyperactivecrond> jadaz87: um. how?
[02:32] <LaserJock> hmm, how would that be different from the current Ubuntu?
[02:32] <jadaz87> adding more packages that are for mobile users as default without going to the repositories
[02:32] <LaserJock> why not put then in the repositories?
[02:33] <jadaz87> and taking away things that are not needed for mobile users
[02:33] <jadaz87> because you have to be connected to the internet to get it
[02:33] <LaserJock> so you want to customize the install cd, correct?
[02:33] <jadaz87> i am on a HP ze5000 desktop replacement series laptop and i had to go on lan in order to get the stuff i needed to get on wireless
[02:34] <jadaz87> yes a customized install cd i presume
[02:34] <hyperactivecrond> so customize the ce jadaz87 
[02:34] <hyperactivecrond> cd*
[02:34] <jadaz87> that is the part i do not know how to do
[02:34] <LaserJock> jadaz87: you might want to check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallCDCustomizationHowTo
[02:35] <jadaz87> oh ok thanks also i know i will have to get copyright permission before i can use the ubuntu name how do i go about that?
[02:36] <jadaz87> and does canonical aid in any way?
[02:36] <hyperactivecrond> jadaz87: don't reinvent the wheel. you won't be able (i think do NOT quote me) to get listed on the official, supported by ubuntu community, caonical aided, on-the-main-page-of-the-website because it's too vague imo
[02:36] <hyperactivecrond> s/aided/sponcered
[02:36] <hyperactivecrond> sponsered
[02:37] <jadaz87> oh ok
[02:37] <jadaz87> then who sponsers these other projects like xubuntu, ubuntulite?
[02:38] <LaserJock> umm, nobody exactly
[02:38] <LaserJock> I think xubuntu has some hosting from the ubuntu China LoCo team perhaps
[02:38] <jadaz87> i am suprised kubuntu is on the official site then all that is, is ubuntu with kde
[02:38] <jadaz87> the copyright is still going to be any issue though
[02:38] <LaserJock> why?
[02:39] <jdub> jadaz87: trademark more than copyright. see the webpage for more details about trademark licensing.
[02:39] <jdub> jadaz87: kubuntu is a sister project.
[02:39] <hyperactivecrond> jadaz87: can i /query you?
[02:39] <jadaz87> LaserJock i cannot use the ubuntu trademark with out permission
[02:39] <jadaz87> what does /query do?
[02:40] <hyperactivecrond> same as /msg but keeps window open
[02:40] <jadaz87> oh sure
[02:40] <LaserJock> jadaz87: why would you use the ubuntu trademark?
[02:40] <jadaz87> LaserJock the same reason why xubuntu gets to use it
[02:41] <LaserJock> it does?
[02:41] <LaserJock> sorry, I'm very ignorant when it comes to these issues
[03:58] <bddebian> Is /usr/bin/X11 supposed to be symlinked to ../bin?
[04:01] <jdong> bddebian: yes...
[04:15] <Lathiat> bddebian: yes, as everythig nin /usr/bin/X11 was moved to /usr/bin, symlink is there for backwards compat
[04:15] <bddebian> Lathiat: That was my guess, I was just curious because of Malone bug 4599
[04:15] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 4599 in wdm "wdm expects "X" at wrong location: /usr/bin/X11/X" [Normal,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/4599
[04:38] <Burgundavia> infinity: is there a known issue with the madwifi module barfing in fligh 6?
[04:40] <bddebian> infinity: Get your drunk ass off the floor and tell me how to fix ivtools.. :-)
[04:40] <Burgundavia> bddebian: bad boy :)
[04:41] <bddebian> :-)
[05:51] <joelbryan> hello, If all people in the planet that use Ubuntu will auto-join #ubuntu, do you think that would going to be a total chaos.
[05:52] <bddebian> probably couldn't be much worse that #debian :-)
[05:52] <joelbryan> so if not, then US will join #ubuntu-US
[05:52] <andrewski> at this point, you wouldn't even notice a difference in #ubuntu.  it's already too fast for comprehension.
[05:55] <joelbryan> to solve that problem, the users will not auto-join #ubuntu, but will join #ubuntu-USA if they live in USA.
[06:03] <bluefoxicy> I have a dumb question
[06:03] <bluefoxicy> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BOFs/Xen
[06:03] <bluefoxicy> Why is SimosXenetelis dependent on this?
[06:11] <LaserJock> bluefoxicy: because the dependents are calculated from a Full Text Search of Xen
[06:14] <bluefoxicy> LaserJock:  ah.
[06:30] <bluefoxicy> okay help
[06:30] <bluefoxicy> I don't know the best way to do roaming profiles-- NFS, samba, or sshfs
[06:42] <andrewski> is it appropriate to piggyback on someone else's laptop testing report in the wiki, e.g. to give results of something they didn't test or to clarify/mention more details?  or should i perform a brand new test?
[06:45] <jmg> hey all
[06:45] <jmg> ubuntu-artwork is horked?
[06:46] <andrewski> horked?
[06:49] <jmg> broken
[06:49] <jmg> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11733 anyone?
[06:49] <jmg> it's in the postinst
[06:50] <andrewski> my ubuntu-artwork is 13 now.
[06:51] <jmg> hmm... nz mirror out of date.
[06:51] <jmg> gack
[06:51] <andrewski> maybe try the us one (that's what i'm on)
[06:51] <jmg> yeah im updating now
[06:51] <jmg> thx
[06:51] <andrewski> cool
[06:52] <mwright1> hi
[06:52] <andrewski> i'm actually having trouble with gnome-app-install, it's looking for python-dbus, which isn't available, so it can't be updated.  is that bugworthy?
[06:52] <andrewski> jmg: maybe you'll see that one crop up as soon as you update. ;)
[06:53] <jmg> andrewski: le sigh :)
[06:54] <andrewski> it's not a big deal for me; i don't use g-a-i.  but i think i'll throw it at launchpad, for posterity.
[06:57] <jmg> i got a new one
[06:57] <jmg> Setting up kubuntu-docs (6.06-2) ...
[06:57] <jmg>  /usr/share/doc-base/kubuntu-adept: cannot open control file for reading: No such file or directory
[06:58] <andrewski> hmm... what if you try installing adept first?  does that help?
[06:58] <jmg> it's installed
[06:58] <andrewski> erm... dunno. ^_^
[07:00] <mwright1> can someone give an opinion as to why I need to test this bug with 5.10 when I have filed it for Dapper drake
[07:00] <mwright1> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gnome-vfs2/+bug/36647
[07:00] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 36647 in Baltix "setgid not respected when copying into a directory" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  
[07:02] <andrewski> mwright1: looks like they're wondering if this is a bug that used to work.  also, they're wondering if you could supply some steps to reproduce it, so that sebastian and others could reproduce it.
[07:03] <andrewski> so if you've never tried on 5.10, i guess you could just say "dunno". :)
[07:21] <jmg> where is the config.gz for the ubuntu kernel?
[07:21] <jmg> why would you turn such a useful option off?
[07:24] <jmg> anyone got a link to the .config used for linux-image?
[07:35] <hile> jmg, /boot/config-* ...
[07:36] <hile> you really just don't need the /proc version since it's always packaged to the image
[07:38] <mwright1> andrewski: it's easy to reproduce
[07:38] <mwright1> I can do that,  but I do not have a ubuntu 5.1 box
[07:38] <mwright1> or install / live cds
[07:38] <andrewski> mwright1: good.  then it'd be easy to document on the bug. :)  i don't think it's essential that you test it on breezy; it was just something that would be helpful to know.
[07:39] <andrewski> the important thing is helping someone else reproduce it.  maybe with some test dirs/files that you could create?
[07:49] <nadjyla> hello
[07:53] <LaserJock> hi nadjyla 
[08:03] <mwright1> andrewski: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gnome-vfs2/+bug/36647/+index is now upto date, there is step by step instructions to reproduce it and breezy + updates has been tested and it has the bug also
[08:03] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 36647 in gnome-vfs "setgid not respected when copying into a directory" [Unknown,Unknown]  
[08:06] <mwright1> I think the problem is cause gnome is doing a move by default
[08:06] <mwright1> even though the user requests a copy and that is the process which shoudl be taking place
[08:14] <lifeless> ogra: not fixed for me
[09:23] <whiprush> jdub: around?
[10:00] <mwright1> this is a usability question with gnome filemanager... nautilus
[10:00] <mwright1> who makes those calls.
[10:04] <bmon> mwright1: I don't think the main devels are around
[10:05] <bmon> I'm not a devel at all
[10:05] <bmon> but whats the issue?
[10:06] <mwright1> well i mistakenly put a bug in that setgid for group permissions wasn't being respected for copy action in nautilus
[10:06] <mwright1> however it is being respected for copy action
[10:06] <mwright1> the problem is with the move action ... being the default action
[10:07] <mwright1> regular users want to move a file to a destination directory and don't want to change permissions themselves to make it available to their colleagues who are members of the same group
[10:07] <mwright1> mv is the same as cp -a permissions wise in unix
[10:08] <mwright1> I feel this is not the right way to do things in the end user world
[12:37] <tepsipakki> mactel-boot from daily-dvd with bootcamp doesn't work :) usplash image is not visible, so there is something wrong with vesa?
[12:38] <mjg59> The firmware's vesa doesn't seem to quite match the kernel's idea of vesa
[12:39] <mjg59> This new firmware makes life quite difficult
[12:39] <tepsipakki> I bet
[12:39] <jpatrick> can someone look at malone 38705 ?
[12:39] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 38705 in kmplayer "UVF kmplayer 0.9.2-pre3 -> 0.9.2-rc1" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/38705
[12:40] <mjg59> tepsipakki: But right now, you won't be able to install on a Mac (even using the new firmware)
[12:40] <tepsipakki> I'm not even trying, but a friend of mine who told that it wont work :)
[12:41] <tepsipakki> so no worries
[01:17] <siretart> did someone recently filed a bug in malone via email? are they any bad caveats I need to consider?
[02:41] <pef> can someone with main upload privileges have a look at #37422 ? just added desktop file, debdiff is provided, thanks !
[03:32] <mdke> can anyone tell me what package I need to file a bug on if I want to complain about the names that other mounted partitions are given on the desktop?
[03:35] <ivoks> mdke: pmount, but let me check that...
[03:36] <ivoks> no, it's not pmount
[03:36] <mdke> ivoks, could it be gnome-volume-manager or something?
[03:36] <ivoks> no, it's not gvm
[03:36] <ivoks> it's hal or dbus :)
[03:36] <ivoks> more likely hal
[03:37] <mdke> ivoks, ok, I'll file there, it can get reassigned if wrong
[03:37] <ivoks> yes, it's hal
[03:37] <mdke> thanks!
[03:37] <ivoks> what bug # is that?
[03:38] <ivoks> it's acctually not a bug, it's a feature
[03:38] <ivoks> names are given according to label name
[03:38] <mdke> i didn't file it yet
[03:38] <mdke> but my breezy partition appears as "/" which is kinda silly, given that I already have a "/"
[03:39] <ivoks> hm
[03:39] <mdke> i'd prefer it to appear as /media/whatever
[03:39] <ivoks> what's it's label name?
[03:39] <mdke> I don't know.
[03:39] <ivoks> mdke: you can do that, but that's not a bug
[03:39] <mdke> imo it's a bug for it to appear under a name which suggests its my root directory, when it isn't
[03:39] <ivoks> mdke: dirty way is to change /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/10-storage-policy.fdi
[03:40] <mdke> i think i'll file it and take the risk of rejection :)
[03:40] <ivoks> mdke: but there is a nicer way, but i'm not sure wich is it... :(
[03:40] <mdke> gtg, thanks for your help
[03:40] <ivoks> :) ok
[03:41] <zul> heylo
[03:57] <infinity> mdz: Around?  Any objections to a UVF exception for re2c (from 0.9.10 to 0.9.12) to satisfy PHP's insistence that anything (<< 0.9.11) is broken?
[04:16] <sladen> tepsipakki: on the ATI mactels (the iMac) the video BIOS is buggy
[04:16] <sladen> tepsipakki: ^^legacy VGA BIOS
[07:00] <andrewski> is a regression in the support on dapper for a printer/scanner bugworthy?
[07:02] <Yagisan> andrewski: I'd assume so, dapper is supposed to be better
[07:02] <andrewski> Yagisan: one would think. :)  yeah, i'll go ahead and file it and if any devs want to yell at me, i'll let 'em. ;)
[07:03] <andrewski> but first, i guess i should try it on flight 6.
[07:37] <nictuku> Seveas, hi. are you there, and not busy?
[07:43] <Seveas> yes and no
[07:43] <Seveas> if this is about the cloak: it's on it's way
[07:43] <mdke> yves, ^
[07:44] <yves> ah ok, thank you again
[07:47] <LaserJock> actually, I haven't really figured out exactly why it is useful, other than people can tell ubuntu members from the hostmask
[08:18] <bluefoxicy> LaserJock:  it's useful so we can bug you when X breaks :P
[08:19] <LaserJock> and if you bugged me, it would be pretty pointless ;-)
[08:20] <Treenaks> LaserJock: this is why I don't have a cloak. I hate them.
[08:20] <Treenaks> LaserJock: I can be found _anyway_, just google my nick
[08:23] <LaserJock> Treenaks: heh, I just found when I was starting out that it was easier to tell if a person had some Ubuntu experience because of the cloak
[08:23] <Treenaks> LaserJock: hm.. that's a point, but you could also look on launchpad for that
[08:23] <LaserJock> perhaps, although LP has some weirdnesses that way.
[08:26] <LaserJock> I mean, that Shuttleworth guy has got 180000+ karma, but what has he done for Ubuntu ;-p
[08:26] <Treenaks> lp needs a qdb module ;)
[11:48] <lifeless> ogra: around ?