[12:05] <marseillai> Riddell: upgrade works fine but amarok crash at start
[12:05] <marseillai> i pastebin the konsole output ?
[12:06] <marseillai> Riddell: konsole output : http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/648531 and kde crash dialog message : http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/648534
[12:06] <Riddell> marseillai: I had the same, send it to the amarok developers
[12:07] <Riddell> LaserJock: yes, fixing
[12:07] <Riddell> LaserJock: unless you already have a fix?
[12:07] <LaserJock> Riddell: ok, sorry about that. It looked like you just didn't grab the latest debian/rules that I modifed
[12:08] <Riddell> quite possibly
[12:14] <Riddell> seems to be the case, however kubuntu docs complains about kubuntu-adept which isn't mentioned in your rules file
[12:15] <LaserJock> yes, mdke removed it
[12:15] <LaserJock> in between
[12:17] <Riddell> why?
[12:18] <LaserJock> the adept guide was removed from the repo because it is out of date. jjese said to take it out
[12:19] <Riddell> ok
[12:19] <marseillai> waouhhhh! :) with amarok not working my computer seems so ...... rapid, light ...... a real pleasure! :D
[12:20] <Riddell> marseillai: rm -r ~/.kde/share/config/amarok ~/.kde/share/apps/amarok   to fix it
[12:21] <marseillai> lest go ....
[12:21] <marseillai> perhaps with mv .... ;)
[12:23] <marseillai> it doesn't work Riddell!
[12:24] <marseillai> always the same bug
[12:26] <Riddell> kbuildsycoca: Disk full?  do you have a full disk?
[12:26] <Riddell> otherwise it'll be bad permissions on /var/tmp/kdecache-cyril/
[12:28] <marseillai> i've no any full disk
[12:28] <marseillai> i'll take a look a /var/tmp/kdecache-cyril/
[12:28] <marseillai> 4 drwx------ 9 cyril cyril 4096 2006-04-09 00:27 kdecache-cyril
[12:29] <Riddell> and /var/tmp/kdecache-cyril/ksycoca  ?
[12:30] <marseillai> idem with no excution
[12:30] <marseillai> 1148 -rw-r--r--  1 cyril cyril 1169305 2006-04-08 17:23 ksycoca
[12:30] <Riddell> LaserJock: new kubuntu-docs uploaded
[12:30] <LaserJock> Riddell: great
[12:30] <Riddell> marseillai: run kbuildsycoca  on the command line
[12:31] <marseillai> same error ....
[12:31] <LaserJock> Riddell: Kubuntu looks beautiful, btw. I installed kubuntu-desktop to test the package
[12:31] <marseillai> QFile::at: Cannot set file position 2878
[12:31] <marseillai> kbuildsycoca: ERROR writing database '/var/tmp/kdecache-cyril/ksycoca'!
[12:31] <marseillai> kbuildsycoca: Disk full?
[12:33] <Riddell> LaserJock:  :)
[12:33] <crimsun> LaserJock: I can never tell if I'm getting the default theme, since all my users have different environments used
[12:33] <Riddell> LaserJock: now... how do I commit to that svn archive again?
[12:33] <LaserJock> Riddell: to the doc team svn?
[12:34] <Riddell> LaserJock: yes
[12:34] <LaserJock> Riddell: do you have commit access? sorry if that is a stupid question
[12:35] <Riddell> LaserJock: I do, I've just completely forgotten how to use it
[12:35] <LaserJock> svn commit
[12:35] <Riddell> wiki page says its a https:// URL, is that right?
[12:35] <LaserJock> ah, just a sec
[12:36] <LaserJock> yeah, that's right. svn checkout https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk ubuntu-doc
[12:37] <Riddell> hmm, so it's a username and password I'm after?
[12:38] <LaserJock> yeah, you have to give svn a username and password the first time
[12:39] <Riddell> hmm, well I've no idea what that would be
[12:39] <Riddell> who can find out my username?
[12:39] <LaserJock> elmo
[12:39] <Riddell> hum
[12:40] <Riddell> could you commit this in the mean time?  http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/docs.diff
[12:40] <Riddell> to kubuntu/debian
[12:41] <LaserJock> sure can
[12:41] <Riddell> docs team needs to convert to bzr
[12:41] <LaserJock> yeah, there was some discussion about that a while ago
[12:41] <LaserJock> I think maybe after Dapper it might come up again
[12:42] <LaserJock> it would be easier if the doc team controlled the access anyway. elmo was supposed to work on that but I don't think it got anywere yet.
[12:42] <Riddell> then we can just use ssh accounts on a virtual server
[12:44] <LaserJock> Riddell: done
[12:46] <Riddell> thanks
[03:01] <apachelogger> dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: could not find path for libqtextra.so.1
[03:01] <apachelogger> how to avoid?
[03:02] <apachelogger> or how to fix?
[01:32] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ping
[01:55] <marseillai_> Riddell: could you keep me aware when the amarok-bug is corrected ?
[01:55] <Hobbsee> marseillai_: i'll do it
[01:55] <marseillai_> thanks
[01:55] <Hobbsee> as in, keep you aware, not fix it
[01:55] <Hobbsee> Riddell will probably forget :P
[01:55] <marseillai_> lol
[01:55] <marseillai_> oki
[01:55] <marseillai_> thanks
[01:56] <marseillai_> Hobbsee: r u a motu or dev ?
[01:56] <marseillai_> do you know siretart ? he is always telling "RTFM" or is it a special treatment for me ?
[01:57] <Hobbsee> marseillai_: i do bits of packaging - upgrades, some stuff with old bug reports, etc
[01:57] <Hobbsee> marseillai_: he's very busy - and often the manuals are very good for explaining the bits needed
[01:57] <marseillai_> oki! so it's a special and reserve treatment forme! :)
[01:57] <Hobbsee> it's far better to come and say - this is hte problem, i've tried this, that, and the other, and this is the pastebin that i've gotten, and blah blah blah
[01:58] <Hobbsee> marseillai_: we're in luck here, because Riddell and raphink are very nice devs, who dont bite heads off :)
[01:58] <marseillai_> Hobbsee: but it's what i've done the first time! he told me rtfm! i worked on it during one month! and afterall it was really a bug!
[01:58] <Hobbsee> true
[01:59] <marseillai_> so the second time he told me rtfm (yesterday)  iwas a little hangry
[01:59] <Hobbsee> what did he tell you that over?
[02:02] <marseillai_> that he prefer keep my bug on another package even if several devs told it's a wpa bug ..... and he told me that i've to rtfm to make something i'm trying to do since one month!
[02:05] <Hobbsee> ouch
[02:38] <Hobbsee> marseillai_: hehe - got rid of some dreaded bugs...
[02:38] <Hobbsee> then saw the long list of kdebase ones, and gave up!
[02:39] <marseillai_> Hobbsee: could you reformulate your sentences
[02:39] <marseillai_> i'm french
[02:39] <marseillai_> and i've some difficulties with english
[02:39] <Hobbsee> i was looking on launchpad, closed some bugs, then i looked at the bugs in kdebase - and gave up.  :P
[02:40] <Hobbsee> yes, i could see you dont have english as a first language, sorry...
[02:40] <marseillai_> wich one ?
[02:40] <Hobbsee> all of them
[02:40] <marseillai_> Hobbsee: my english is so bad ?
[02:40] <marseillai_> :s
[02:40] <Hobbsee> marseillai_: no, it's fairly good - just some phrases that are the wrong way around, for example
[02:41] <Hobbsee> eg "i'm trying to do since one month" should be "i've been trying to do for the last month"
[02:41] <Hobbsee> that's the one i noticed
[02:42] <marseillai_> oki! i've some diffculties with "for" "since" "during" ....
[02:42] <Hobbsee> ah ok :)
[02:43] <marseillai_> i've reported only one bug with kde and it's not on launchpad
[02:43] <marseillai_> i prefer report kde bug on kde bugzilla
[02:43] <marseillai_> I think it's more usefull
[02:43] <marseillai_> even if i'm not really sure it's a kde or ubuntu bug
[02:44] <Hobbsee> true
[02:44] <Hobbsee> it's possible to mark a bug as upstream, from lauchpad
[02:44] <marseillai_> yes but kde bugzilla is evil!!!!! too hard to use
[02:44] <Hobbsee> i've written bugs on both bugs.kde.org, and launchpad
[02:44] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[02:44] <Hobbsee> so's the normal bugzilla!
[02:45] <marseillai_> yes
[02:45] <marseillai_> wpa_supplicant bugzilla is evil master
[02:45] <Hobbsee> apparently people are working on it
[02:45] <marseillai_> :D
[02:45] <Hobbsee> huh?
[02:45] <marseillai_> they should think to use launchpad .....
[02:47] <Hobbsee> yay!!!
[02:47] <Hobbsee> marseillai_: amarok beta3 packages are on kubuntu.org
[02:47] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:47] <marseillai_> Hobbsee: DON T TRY THEM ....
[02:47] <Hobbsee> why not?
[02:47] <marseillai_> because ridd ell ask for testers yesterday
[02:47] <marseillai_> and they don't work
[02:48] <marseillai_> amarok don't launch
[02:48] <marseillai_> it resolve the problem with libqt3-mysql
[02:48] <marseillai_> but amarok crashes
[02:48] <Hobbsee> ahhh...ok
[02:48] <danimo> marseillai_: known problem
[02:48] <Hobbsee> that would be why the amarok-latest wasnt upgraded
[02:48] <marseillai_> it's that i'm waiting
[02:49] <danimo> marseillai_: Riddell said he was going to do something about it with the release of beta3 today
[02:49] <marseillai_> danimo: yes i know! i'm waiting for fixes to upgrade
[02:49] <Hobbsee> pity...
[02:49] <marseillai_> danimo: yes i know i was trying to help him on this yesterday
[02:49] <danimo> marseillai_: it was even worse for me
[02:49] <danimo> I did an adept upgrade and suddenly amarok was gone
[02:49] <danimo> upps
[02:49] <marseillai_> lol
[02:50] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:50] <marseillai_> you have not change your depot to beta3 packages ?
[02:50] <marseillai_> :|
[02:50] <danimo> marseillai_: where are they?
[02:50] <Hobbsee> danimo: http://kubuntu.org/packages/
[02:50] <Hobbsee> you can use the symlinked amarok-latest
[02:51] <marseillai_> arf! do not know the english translation for my prefer answer to this sort of question ....
[02:51] <marseillai_> Hobbsee: beta packages are not in latest link! they are ?
[02:51] <Hobbsee> are they?  you mean, yes, they are
[02:51] <marseillai_> :| uh yes they are!
[02:52] <Hobbsee> marseillai_: see http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-latest/pool-dapper/
[02:52] <Hobbsee> :P
[02:52] <marseillai_> just see
[02:52] <danimo> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[02:52] <danimo>   amarok: Depends: libmysqlclient15 (>= 5.0.15-1) but it is not going to be installed
[02:52] <Hobbsee> danimo: that for beta3?
[02:52] <danimo> there are two libmysqlclient15 versions
[02:52] <Hobbsee> or beta2?
[02:52] <marseillai_> danimo: ;) normal! libmysqlclient15 have change is name!
[02:53] <danimo> I just switched to latest
[02:53] <marseillai_> so beta2
[02:53] <Hobbsee> yeah.  they know.  they're working on it
[02:53] <marseillai_> it will be repair with beta3
[02:53] <Hobbsee> i had a bug number, but i've forgotten it
[02:53] <Hobbsee> hi OdyX 
[02:53] <marseillai_> lu OdyX! la forme?
[02:54] <marseillai_> Hobbsee: 38701! it's mine! :)
[02:54] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:54] <danimo> ah, ok, latest != beta3
[02:54] <danimo> mean :)
[02:54] <marseillai_> danimo: yes! latest = latest with a few test and wich is know to work
[02:54] <Hobbsee> danimo: correct
[02:55] <marseillai_> know or known ?
[02:55] <Hobbsee> marseillai_: known
[02:55] <marseillai_> oki
[02:55] <Hobbsee> :)
[02:55] <marseillai_> konvi test :
[02:56] <Hobbsee> Uptime: 2 hours and  minutes
[02:56] <Hobbsee> works
[02:56] <marseillai_> Uptime: 21 hours and 33 minutes
[02:56] <Hobbsee> heh
[02:56] <marseillai_> :)
[02:56] <marseillai_> konvi is pretty good! but geek's features are missing! :s
[02:58] <Hobbsee> hehe true
[03:01] <marseillai> feel much better with xchat!
[03:01] <danimo> marseillai: what features in particular?
[03:01] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:01] <marseillai> command completion! my own, complex command....
[03:02] <danimo> geeks... ;)
[03:02] <Hobbsee> danimo: of course.
[03:02] <OdyX> hey marseillai... :D
[03:03] <Hobbsee> marseillai: konversation has aliases
[03:03] <marseillai> danimo: command completion, better chan identify (work everywhere with xchat not with konvi), and almost : the aibility to create complex command for example i have alias for ( /nick marseillai && /ns identify my_pass ) and it's so hard to do with konvi! and many others alias like them! and there are many scripts usefull for ircop with xchat!
[03:03] <danimo> identify works with freenode. that's enough :)
[03:04] <marseillai> Hobbsee: not this sort of aliases! i've to use dcop and many complicate things
[03:04] <marseillai> danimo: nop! it's not for me! :s
[03:04] <Hobbsee> marseillai: you should be able to set that in the server list - there's a username and password field, which will auto-identify you
[03:04] <Hobbsee> but I see your point
[03:05] <marseillai> Hobbsee: it works on freenode yes! but no on another server i use
[03:05] <Hobbsee> oh ok
[03:05] <marseillai> so! it's not bad! konvi is so good! but xchat is more pretty good FOR ME!
[03:07] <danimo> are you sure that whatever shows up as beta3 is actually beta3?
[03:08] <Hobbsee> danimo: yeah, lintian screams loudly if you name the packages wrong.
[03:08] <Hobbsee> why do you ask?
[03:08] <danimo> Hobbsee: because features that should be there are not
[03:08] <danimo> like proper handling of podcast names
[03:09] <marseillai> danimo: !
[03:09] <Tm_T> Riddell: I thought you might be interested: "Kopete 0.12 will be released around the 1st of May."
[03:09] <marseillai> you should not have beta3 ......
[03:09] <marseillai> it doesn't work.....
[03:09] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: yay!  that's way after UVF though...
[03:09] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: indeed
[03:09] <danimo> last changelog entry from april 6th
[03:10] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: but it would bring much improvenments, including reliability and filetransfer fixes
[03:10] <Hobbsee> better be ready to write a main inclusion statement, if it's needed :P
[03:10] <Tm_T> =)
[03:10] <Tm_T> o7
[03:15] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: also, looks like Kopete 0.12, adiumx, and incoming google talk will the very same chat styles
[03:15] <Tm_T> will use
[03:16] <Hobbsee> nice!
[03:16] <Tm_T> indeed
[03:16] <Tm_T> =)
[03:16] <danimo> ok, whatever is claimed to be beta3 is in fact at best beta1
[03:17] <Tm_T> actually I just compiled newest changes, restarting it ;)
[03:17] <Hobbsee> no wonder i keep missing everything!
[03:17] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: =)
[03:18] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: not missing everything, I'm right here ;)
[03:18] <Hobbsee> heeh
[03:18] <Tm_T> please don't hit me
[03:18] <Tm_T> ...somehow I feel people doesn't understand my sense of humour
[03:19] <Tm_T> it's more twisted than it seems
[03:19] <marseillai> danimo: from wich depot did you upgrade amarok ?
[03:19] <Hobbsee> i wasnt about it
[03:19] <Hobbsee> *to
[03:20] <Hobbsee> enough said, really, hehe
[03:20] <Tm_T> =)
[03:21] <Lathiat> hrm, has anyone else noticed that you cant alt+Drag windows in dapper to move em?
[03:21] <Lathiat> worked all the time in breezy, doesnt work most of the time in dapper
[03:21] <Lathiat> and i cant seem to find an option fo rit
[03:21] <danimo> marseillai: deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-beta3 dapper main
[03:22] <marseillai> and it works ?
[03:22] <marseillai> ahum .....
[03:22] <danimo> ?
[03:22] <Hobbsee> Lathiat: doesnt happen on my system
[03:22] <freeflying> danimo: it's amarok-1.4-beta3?
[03:22] <danimo> freeflying: it _should_ be
[03:23] <Lathiat> hrm
[03:23] <Lathiat> should try blowing away my homedir then
[03:23] <Lathiat> Hobbsee: does it work on a terminal?
[03:23] <Hobbsee> Lathiat: the alt drag?
[03:24] <Lathiat> sit just standard working
[03:24] <Lathiat> after i change the allow movement of maximimzed window soption
[03:24] <Lathiat> which is a bit odd
[03:24] <Hobbsee> yeah, works here, i dont think i changed anything
[03:24] <Lathiat> hrm actually it seems to depend how long i wait before holding alt
[03:24] <Lathiat> i need a noticable delay
[03:24] <Lathiat> hrm
[03:24] <Lathiat> i used to just hit alt hit the mouse button and drag
[03:24] <Lathiat> interesting
[03:25] <danimo> oh, nevermind
[03:25] <danimo> something went terribly wrong with apt
[03:25] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:26] <Hobbsee> you could try uninstalling it...someone wanted to yesterday...
[03:26] <Hobbsee> no, wait...that was wanting to uninstall dpkg
[03:27] <danimo> someone just renamed the directory to amarok14-beta3
[03:28] <_Sime> danimo: hey
[03:28] <danimo> _Sime: heya. time for some bad mood?
[03:28] <danimo> :=)
[03:28] <_Sime> oh
[03:29] <Hobbsee> hi _Sime 
[03:29] <_Sime> danimo: do you have bad news?
[03:29] <_Sime> Hobbsee: hi, are you in .au?
[03:29] <danimo> _Sime: yes, it fail for me completely
[03:29] <danimo> fails even
[03:29] <danimo> _Sime: describing the problem takes a while
[03:29] <danimo> let me just get amarok 1.4 beta 3 installed
[03:30] <_Sime> danimo: is this an python exception prob?
[03:30] <marseillai> danimo: i see amarok as real beta 3 .....
[03:30] <danimo> no
[03:30] <Hobbsee> _Sime: yep
[03:30] <danimo> marseillai: yes, me too now
[03:30] <Hobbsee> sydney
[03:30] <danimo> marseillai: what's wrong with "deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok14-beta3 dapper main"?
[03:30] <_Sime> Hobbsee: ok, I studied in melbourne
[03:31] <Hobbsee> fun :0
[03:31] <Hobbsee> danimo: nothing at all - except that the packages in that repo apparently crash on start
[03:31] <marseillai> Hobbsee: now it works
[03:31] <marseillai> had to remove config files
[03:32] <Hobbsee> marseillai: yay!  (which was this again?)
[03:32] <marseillai> /share/config and apps
[03:32] <danimo> outch :)
[03:32] <danimo> nevermind :)
[03:32] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:32] <danimo> I cannot type
[03:32] <Hobbsee> yeah, neither - it's kinda cold here
[03:32] <danimo> .au is not the warmest place to stay around this time is it?
[03:32] <Hobbsee> and i'm being blasted in #kubuntu, with people saying "the current theme is terrible" - yeah, tell me somethign i dont know!!!
[03:33] <Hobbsee> no, not really......
[03:33] <danimo> Hobbsee: yeah, the current theme has ... room for improvement
[03:33] <Hobbsee> LOL!
[03:33] <Hobbsee> yes
[03:33] <Hobbsee> unfortunately, the guy in charge of it hasnt done that much with it recently, and isnt here this minute
[03:33] <danimo> Hobbsee: kwwii?
[03:34] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: kwwii?
[03:34] <Hobbsee> yeah
[03:34] <Tm_T> haha
[03:34] <Tm_T> have to push him
[03:34] <Tm_T> already promised to kill his son yesterday
[03:34] <danimo> Tm_T: he or you? :)
[03:34] <Tm_T> I
[03:34] <danimo> at least the dragon is gone from the wallaper
[03:35] <Hobbsee> marseillai: yeah, there are some nice bits - but it can get better!
[03:35] <marseillai> lol
[03:35] <danimo> but the fact that you get 3-4 different wallapers from kdm to desktop is ugly
[03:35] <marseillai> i like this dragon painting the desktop in orange
[03:35] <Tm_T> danimo: hey, I wanna see the dragon wallpaper!
[03:35] <marseillai> :d
[03:35] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: see kubuntu.org
[03:35] <danimo> Tm_T: hmm?
[03:36] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: that one?... I now understand
[03:36] <Hobbsee> i assume so, yes
[03:36] <Hobbsee> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDapperArtworkTodo
[03:36] <Hobbsee> that's the working page of kwwi's stuff, i think
[03:37] <Hobbsee> *kwwii
[03:38] <danimo> marseillai: I'm up to the point where it crashes now, yay :)
[03:38] <Hobbsee> danimo: hehe!
[03:39] <marseillai> danimo: amarok crashes on your machine ?
[03:39] <Hobbsee> hmmm...7 weeks...
[03:39] <Hobbsee> wonder when artwork freeze is, as this stuff needs to be done before that
[03:39] <danimo> marseillai: absofuckinlutely!
[03:39] <marseillai> danimo: rm your config files
[03:40] <danimo> marseillai: no help
[03:40] <marseillai> Riddell: now after a remove, reinstall and remove config files amarok beta3 works fine .....
[03:40] <marseillai> danimo: dpkg -r then apt-get install rm config file and it should works
[03:41] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: any idea when artwork freeze is?  doestn seem to be on dapper release schedule...
[03:41] <danimo> marseillai: it's podcast stuff that crashes
[03:42] <freeflying> anyone know tonio's repo's url
[03:42] <marseillai> yes i know it
[03:42] <marseillai> why ?
[03:42] <freeflying> Hobbsee: do you know ?
[03:43] <marseillai> freeflying: why this question
[03:43] <marseillai> freeflying: you can trust this repository
[03:43] <freeflying> marseillai: need some package from his repo 
[03:43] <marseillai> tonio make many packages for kubuntu as Knetworkmanager and many else
[03:44] <marseillai> ah! amarok 1.4beta3 bug ........ where is the bugzilla?
[03:45] <danimo> marseillai: works now
[03:45] <Hobbsee> freeflying: what?  yes, i do
[03:45] <Hobbsee> #Kubuntu networkmanager packages
[03:45] <Hobbsee> deb http://kubuntu.no-ip.org/kubuntu dapper main
[03:45] <Hobbsee> deb-src http://kubuntu.no-ip.org/kubuntu dapper main
[03:45] <freeflying> Hobbsee: tonio's repo
[03:45] <Hobbsee> gotcha ;P
[03:45] <freeflying> Hobbsee: thx
[03:46] <Hobbsee> careful, some stuff in it breaks from time to time
[03:46] <freeflying> Hobbsee: I see
[03:46] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: no idea
[03:46] <Hobbsee> marseillai: upstream, or packaging bug?
[03:46] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: darn
[03:46] <marseillai> danimo: could you verify a bug with me please before i report ?
[03:46] <marseillai> upstream Hobbsee 
[03:46] <danimo> marseillai: sure
[03:47] <Hobbsee> marseillai: bugs.kde.org
[03:47] <marseillai> danimo: when you keep the mouse on amarok systray icone does the popup menu appears in his right place or on the top of the screen N
[03:47] <marseillai> Hobbsee: verify the bug and if it is i report
[03:48] <Hobbsee> appears in the right place, with beta2
[03:48] <danimo> marseillai: hmm?
[03:48] <marseillai> arf
[03:48] <marseillai> Hobbsee: cold you explain in better english i can't do better! :s
[03:48] <danimo> marseillai: everything seems to be in the right place
[03:48] <marseillai> could
[03:48] <marseillai> arf
[03:48] <marseillai> so it's my bug
[03:49] <Hobbsee> marseillai: what danimo said.  using beta2 packages.
[03:49] <marseillai> danimo: the yellow window just appear on your mouse ?
[03:49] <Hobbsee> as in, amarok 1.4 beta2 packages
[03:49] <danimo> marseillai: yepp
[03:49] <danimo> marseillai: amarok - rediscover your music!
[03:50] <marseillai> arf!
[03:50] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: i've just discovered a goldmine of kubuntu images... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuArtwork
[03:51] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: yeah
[03:52] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: i think we should stick that somewhere in the next meeting - everyone look, and pick which one would be best.
[03:52] <Hobbsee> if kwwii doesnt come up with something mindblowing in the meantime
[03:53] <Tm_T> maybe
[03:54] <Hobbsee> oh well
[04:06] <danimo> argl
[04:06] <danimo> who created that ubuntu theme for amarok?
[04:06] <danimo> it's totally unreadable :(
[04:06] <Hobbsee> hi allee 
[04:06] <allee> Ho, ho Hobbsee 
[04:06] <allee> Hobbsee: oh, why?
[04:06] <Hobbsee> tired, and getting whined at about the current theme in dapper...
[04:06] <marseillai> danimo: it's the first thing i changed! ;)
[04:07] <Tm_T> =)
[04:07] <Tm_T> so I have no idea what defaults looks like
[04:07] <allee> Hobbsee: yeah, theme is not optimal
[04:07] <Tm_T> http://www.tm-travolta.net/shots/current.png
[04:07] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[04:08] <Tm_T> nooooo
[04:08] <Tm_T> oh well
[04:09] <Hobbsee> darn it!
[04:09] <Hobbsee> hit close on the wrong window
[04:09] <marseillai> Tm_T: you have MANY unread article in akregartor! go and read!
[04:09] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:09] <Hobbsee> nah, just right click, force all read
[04:09] <Hobbsee> or whatever it is
[04:09] <marseillai> lol
[04:13] <danimo> marseillai: same here. but if it is so terrible, we should pull it from the package
[04:15] <allee> Hobbsee: Ctrl-R :)
[04:15] <Tm_T> marseillai: no, it's Kmail, not aKregator
[04:15] <Hobbsee> that too
[04:15] <marseillai> worse Tm_T 
[04:15] <Tm_T> marseillai: well, that's just what I get in one day
[04:16] <marseillai> http://linux.blogweb.de/archives/181-Helping-AMU.html ----->> agree with the idea but not with the way to do .......
[04:21] <Lathiat> also, anyoen noticed konqueror getting a little worse at rendering webpages lately
[04:21] <Lathiat> ?
[04:27] <Hobbsee> marseillai: very true.  it looks rather like a ransom note
[04:28] <marseillai> yep
[04:28] <Hobbsee> ...and people/companies tend not to bow to ransom notes
[04:28] <marseillai> i understand the demand! but not the way to demand
[04:28] <Hobbsee> marseillai: see your private messages...
[04:39] <Hobbsee> night all...
[07:06] <seaLne> i think the problem is that some people are still trying to get their heads round the fact that canonical is making money out of the work they do for free
[07:11] <danimo> hmm, pity, amarok 1.4 is build without excalibar support on dapper
[07:18] <seaLne> danimo: what is needed for it?
[07:19] <apachelogger> exscalibar
[07:19] <apachelogger> impossbile to build a package though
[07:20] <apachelogger> I'm now on it for about 4 weeks
[07:20] <apachelogger> it's still not working
[07:20] <Tm_T> =)
[07:20] <Tm_T> danimo: you can always compile amaroK yourself
[07:20] <seaLne> ah
[07:20] <apachelogger> yups
[07:20] <apachelogger> and exscalibar
[07:21] <apachelogger> since the only somewhat package is a gentoo ebuild
[07:21] <apachelogger> no rpm for any distro and no deb .. nothing
[07:21] <apachelogger> exscalibar is packagers hell :<
[07:23] <seaLne> yeah even the website is hard to get working :)
[07:24] <apachelogger> ;-)
[07:35] <jpatrick> evening
[08:15] <danimo> _Sime: ping?
[08:43] <jpatrick> hi Lure
[08:43] <Lure> ki jpatrick
[08:43] <Lure> s/ki/hi/
[08:43] <Lure> ;-)
[08:44] <jpatrick> :)
[08:45] <jpatrick> what's going on?
[08:46] <Lure> not much - just looking new powersave to understand what is fixed...
[08:46] <jpatrick> wow, sailing...
[08:47] <jpatrick> I'm just watching kerry's, kmplayer's and kcontrol-kdmtheme's build process
[08:49] <Lure> jpatrick: just seen new kerry being downloaded - did we now address hotkey issue (katapult/kerry/yakuake)?
[08:50] <jpatrick> Lure: I did that ages ago
[08:51] <Lure> I have seen F12 is now used, but that was also default for yakuake....
[08:51] <jpatrick> arg...
[08:51] <Riddell> seaLne: canonical is making money?
[08:51] <jpatrick> hope not
[08:51] <jpatrick> that's illegal
[08:51] <Riddell> danimo: what's excalibar support?
[08:52] <jpatrick> Lure: right, I'll change it to F13 (if that's ok)
[08:53] <Lure> I would preffer something around Space... As Ctrl+Alt+Space is searching for selection already
[08:53] <Lure> Win+Space would be nice, but it is not avail on other platforms (like PPC)...
[08:57] <danimo> Riddell: a lib needed for moodbar http://rokymotion.pwsp.net/promowiki/images/c/c4/Moodbar-1.4-dangle.png
[08:58] <jpatrick> Riddell: the meaning of eye-candy
[08:58] <jpatrick> shows the mood of your music
[08:59] <Riddell> riiight
[09:00] <jpatrick> I was going to package it at some point
[09:01] <Tm_T> jpatrick: apachelogger is doing it already
[09:01] <Tm_T> jpatrick: or trying to
[09:01] <jpatrick> Tm_T: :)
[09:01] <Tm_T> jpatrick: but he said it's impossible
[09:02] <jpatrick> Lure: Ctrl-Shift-Space ?
[09:02] <Tm_T> jpatrick: also, I couldn't make that moodbar work here
[09:02] <Tm_T> jpatrick: got only empty lines
[09:02] <Lure> jpatrick: better then Fxx
[09:02] <Riddell> hi Bluekuja 
[09:03] <Bluekuja> hi :)
[09:03] <Tm_T> Bluekuja: ciao tutti!
[09:03] <Tm_T> jpatrick: ;)
[09:03] <Bluekuja> hehe ciao
[09:03] <jpatrick> Tm_T: how annoying
[09:03] <Bluekuja> nice to meet you all
[09:03] <Tm_T> jpatrick: no shit =)
[09:04] <Bluekuja> my name is andrea
[09:04] <Bluekuja> ^^
[09:04] <Riddell> Bluekuja here is our new elite kubuntu italian dude
[09:04] <Riddell> http://exscalibar.sourceforge.net/  hmm, not a good sign
[09:05] <Bluekuja> ok perfect
[09:05] <jpatrick> Riddell: ouch
[09:06] <Bluekuja> error from that page
[09:06] <Bluekuja> guys where all of you come from?
[09:07] <Riddell> Scotland!
[09:07] <Bluekuja> nice place
[09:07] <Riddell> http://kent.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/exscalibar/exscalibar-1.0.4.tar.bz2 
[09:07] <Riddell> hmm, qmake
[09:07] <jpatrick> is it KShortcut(CTRL+SHIFT+Key_F12); ?
[09:08] <Tm_T> Bluekuja: Eastern Finland
[09:08] <Bluekuja> o
[09:09] <Bluekuja> cold zone hehe
[09:10] <Bluekuja> ok perfect im from udine
[09:10] <Tonio_> hey ;)
[09:10] <Bluekuja> eastern area of italy
[09:10] <Lure> Tonio_: hi
[09:10] <Tm_T> Bluekuja: cold? never
[09:10] <Lure> Bluekuja:  very near then....
[09:11] <Tonio_> Lure: news about the vpn component of networkmanager ?
[09:11] <Lure> Tonio_: not really - just that danimo want it too ;-)
[09:11] <Tonio_> Lure: hehe
[09:11] <Tonio_> I may have a look on revu about that
[09:12] <Bluekuja> yeah lure
[09:12] <Bluekuja> we're near
[09:12] <Bluekuja> which city?
[09:12] <Bluekuja> of slovenia?
[09:13] <Lure> Bluekuja: I am from Ljubljana, but I am in Nova Gorica once per week (have half of my team there)
[09:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: I retested kaffeine 0.8 and I think we should have a look at it for dapper.... the video part (except the konq component) is really much better
[09:13] <Bluekuja> nice
[09:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: also there is now a really missing feature : a control bar in fullscreen mode... I've been waiting for this for month :)
[09:13] <Lure> Tonio_: isn;t there 0.8.1 already?
[09:14] <Tonio_> Lure: yes I was talking about this one ;)
[09:14] <Tonio_> Lure: is it in dapper already ? I don't think so
[09:14] <Bluekuja> sometimes i play some basketball matches in gorizia or trieste^^
[09:14] <Lure> Tonio_: no, we are waiting for you... ;-)
[09:14] <Tonio_> Lure: still 0.7.1
[09:15] <Tonio_> Lure: no need to package it actually ;) fabo is packaging it for debian and maintaining it ;)
[09:15] <Tonio_> We just need to ping him
[09:15] <Lure> Tonio_: do you plan to update k-d-s soon - I have one minor stuff to include (1920x1200 wallpapers)
[09:15] <Tonio_> Lure: I'm not the official maintainer :)
[09:15] <Tm_T> KMPlayer rocks
[09:15] <Tonio_> jpatrick: not as a standalone player
[09:15] <Tm_T> Tonio_: what's wrong
[09:15] <Tonio_> kmplayer misses lots of features compared to kaffeine on that point
[09:16] <jpatrick> how?
[09:16] <Tonio_> Tm_T: subtitles management
[09:16] <jpatrick> what about it?
[09:16] <Tm_T> Tonio_: subtitles management?
[09:16] <Tonio_> doesn't read correctly ogm files, and I had problems with matroska too
[09:16] <Tm_T> interesting
[09:16] <Tonio_> Tm_T: it doesn't autoload subtitles for me
[09:16] <Tm_T> Tonio_: what subtitles
[09:17] <Tonio_> Tm_T: avi subtitles ;)
[09:17] <Tonio_> srt files for example
[09:17] <Tm_T> Tonio_: ever seen separate subtitles else but to warez stuff
[09:18] <Tonio_> Tm_T: subtitles isn't warez stuff....
[09:18] <Tonio_> Tm_T: It happens to me to rip a dvd but keeping chapters and subtitles
[09:18] <Tonio_> what's wrong with this ?
[09:18] <Tm_T> nothing
[09:18] <Tonio_> nice ;)
[09:18] <Tm_T> Tonio_: what I said is _I_ have ever seen subtitles to anything else but warezmovies
[09:19] <Tm_T> and no, not in my pc
[09:19] <Tonio_> Tm_T: that's the way they are used most of the time, I agree
[09:19] <Tm_T> yup
[09:20] <Tonio_> Tm_T: does kmplayer provide streaming server/client functionnalities ?
[09:20] <Tonio_> I don't think so
[09:20] <Tm_T> almost same category than "I use dc++ to share school projects"
[09:20] <Tm_T> Tonio_: no idea
[09:20] <Tm_T> Tonio_: it's video player
[09:20] <Tonio_> Tm_T: If I had to choose a videoplayer for dapper, I would choose codeine
[09:20] <Tonio_> simple, minimalist, stable, efficient
[09:21] <Tonio_> but in the kaffeine VS kmplayer fight, I really prefer kaffeine for the standalone player
[09:21] <Tm_T> Tonio_: KMPlayer is my choice, works, easy, simple enough, and have multiple backends
[09:21] <Tm_T> Tonio_: to me Kaffeine offers nothing special but crashes =)
[09:22] <Tonio_> Tm_T: standalone crashing ?
[09:22] <Tm_T> Tonio_: but that's my needs, to many users Kaffeine ofcourse is the choice
[09:22] <Tm_T> Tonio_: yup
[09:22] <Tm_T> Tonio_: that was long ago, haven't used it since
[09:22] <jpatrick> Tonio_: Tm_T++
[09:22] <Tm_T> Tonio_: to Kubuntu, Kaffeine, to me? KMPlayer :)
[09:23] <Tm_T> I know I'm not typical user
[09:23] <Tm_T> I just watch news and some random video clips
[09:24] <Tonio_> Tm_T: ++ on that point :)
[09:24] <Tonio_> we are geeks, not the standard target of kubuntu
[09:27] <Tm_T> Tonio_: I'm not geek
[09:28] <Tm_T> I just happen to develop/modify/use programs a lot ;p
[09:29] <Tonio_> Tm_T: that's my definition of a geek ;)
[09:29] <Tonio_> to me an associal personn that lives for informatics isn't a geek, but a nerd :)
[09:29] <Tonio_> which is different
[09:29] <Tonio_> I consider myself a geek ;)
[09:30] <Lure> Tonio_: can you check this debdiff: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/648429
[09:31] <Tonio_> Lure: shure
[09:31] <Tonio_> sure
[09:31] <Lure> this is using new kwwii's image from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperKubuntuLoginScreen
[09:32] <Tonio_> Lure: looks good to me, should work
[09:32] <jpatrick> Lure: fixed as of kerry_0.1-0ubuntu2
[09:33] <Lure> Tonio_: it works for me - should I send the k-d-s source to you and can you upload?
[09:33] <Tonio_> Lure: but I think we need to keep background sync between kdm theme and ksplash theme
[09:33] <Lure> jpatrick: so Shift-Ctrl-Space?
[09:33] <Tonio_> Lure: I can't upload k-d-s directly ;) it is in main
[09:33] <Tonio_> I'm not still coredev
[09:33] <Tonio_> ^^
[09:33] <jpatrick> Lure: yes
[09:33] <Tonio_> ask Riddell or raphink
[09:34] <Lure> Tonio_: ok, didn't know that - since you did lots' of changes to k-d-s I thought it is best to poke you... ;-)
[09:34] <Lure> jpatrick: great!
[09:35] <Lure> Tonio_: I have changed it for both kdm and ksplash
[09:35] <jpatrick> Lure: just uploaded, wait like an hour
[09:36] <Tonio_> Lure: oups sorry :) I missed it ;)
[09:36] <Tonio_> jpatrick: you uploaded k-d-s ?
[09:36] <jpatrick> no kerry
[09:36] <Tonio_> HO kerry ;)
[09:37] <jpatrick> as in -> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/dapper-changes/2006-April/009033.html
[09:37] <Tonio_> jpatrick: are you fine with the cdbs package I built with kerry ?
[09:37] <Tonio_> jpatrick: there were a few bugs on yours (patches not applyed for example)
[09:37] <jpatrick> Tonio_: yes, of course, that slipped out of my mind :)
[09:38] <Tonio_> jpatrick: hehe :)
[09:38] <Tonio_> no review for knetworkmanager, wlassistant and kmplayer still......
[09:38] <Tonio_> need to wait......
[09:39] <jpatrick> kmplayer?
[09:39] <Tonio_> jpatrick: revu for main :)
[09:39] <jpatrick> Ah right
[09:39] <jpatrick> i uploaded a new version today
[09:39] <Tonio_> just saw that ;)
[09:39] <Tonio_> jpatrick: nice that it can now record using xine
[09:39] <Tonio_> jpatrick: did you set the parameters in kmplayerrc ?
[09:40] <jpatrick> Tonio_: yes
[09:41] <Tonio_> jpatrick: great ;)
[09:43] <Lure> Tonio_: have you seen that knm is now available in KDE svn? And did you check debian svn for their packaging stuff?
[09:43] <seaLne> Riddell: ok, potentially making money :-)
[09:47] <Tonio_> Lure: nope ;) I haven't been available for a few days.... that's a very good news !
[09:47] <Lure> Tonio_: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/1911
[09:48] <Lure> not much new fixes in yet though...
[09:48] <Tonio_> _Sime: ping ?
[09:48] <Tonio_> Lure: the version we actually have for dapper is really nice ;) no need to update for the moment to me, don't you think ?
[09:49] <Tonio_> Lure: we should ask for beagle package to be split.......
[09:49] <Lure> Tonio_: agree - it works if NM works. good thing is that now we can follow the progress and decide
[09:49] <Tonio_> it is stupid to depend on gtklibs for a daemon........
[09:49] <Lure> Tonio_: jpatrick mentioned that he might look into this
[09:49] <Riddell> hmm, kubuntu de gone slightly overboard today
[09:50] <Tonio_> hey Riddell :)
[09:50] <jpatrick> Riddell: yep
[09:50] <Lure> this gtk/mono dep is a bit too much, but kerry just works
[09:50] <jpatrick> they think they have problems
[09:50] <Tonio_> Lure: mono is a "real dep", not gtklibs...
[09:51] <Lure> Riddell: I do not understand the background of their concerns, but even less I understand their way
[09:51] <Tonio_> Lure: what are you all talking about ? I'm lost ;) what happened ?
[09:51] <Lure> Tonio_: http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=14283
[09:52] <Tonio_> Lure: thanks
[09:52] <jpatrick> Lure: it will be one mess package work
[09:52] <jpatrick> messy*
[09:53] <Lure> jpatrick: I can imagine - I just briefly looked in OpenSuSE if they have done some split in rpm, but they have it the same as we currently :-(
[09:53] <Tonio_> Lure: wow...
[09:54] <jpatrick> Lure: i'll have it done by tomorrow noon
[09:54] <Lure> jpatrick: really? - that is great news!
[09:55] <jpatrick> well, by tomorrow
[10:02] <jpatrick> rc/geddei/globals.cpp:17:20: error: config.h: No such file or directory
[10:02] <jpatrick> src/geddei/globals.cpp:24: error: VERSION was not declared in this scope
[10:02] <jpatrick> make: *** [globals.o]  Error 1
[10:02] <jpatrick> that's great
[10:08] <jpatrick> okay, I'm going with apachelogger - this is impossible
[10:10] <_Sime> Tonio_: pong
[10:10] <_Sime> Tonio_: ping
[10:11] <_Sime> danimo: pong
[10:11] <jpatrick> Lure: damn, it's in main
[10:12] <Lure> jpatrick: beagle? I do not think so...
[10:12] <jpatrick> is
[10:13] <jpatrick> Get: 2 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com dapper/main beagle 0.2.3-0ubuntu6 (tar) [1684kB] 
[10:13] <Lure> wow, that is new to me...
[10:14] <Lure> recenty included in main: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportBeagle
[10:15] <Lure> jpatrick: but this should not stop us (I think) - we just need to persuade more people... ;-)
[10:15] <Tonio_> _Sime: sorry I was away ;)
[10:15] <_Sime> me too!
[10:16] <Tonio_> _Sime: I was just looking at knetworkconf and I thought about something
[10:16] <_Sime> what's up?
[10:16] <Tonio_> about the guidance modules that require to be root to do modifications
[10:16] <Riddell> beagle is only in main because nautilus build-deps on beagle-lib
[10:16] <Riddell> the beagle application is still in universe
[10:16] <Tonio_> why don't you make options unclicable if not in admin mode ?
[10:17] <Tonio_> _Sime: I must say having the ability to do modifications and click "apply" without anu change can be confusing no ?
[10:17] <Tonio_> _Sime: I like the way knetworkconf does
[10:17] <danimo> _Sime: hi
[10:17] <_Sime> Tonio_: what are you referring to specifically?
[10:17] <danimo> _Sime: got some time?
[10:18] <_Sime> danimo: a bit.
[10:18] <Tonio_> _Sime: I refer to the fact that you cannot click anything in knetworkconf until you go in administrator mode
[10:18] <_Sime> Tonio_: ummm what has this to do with guidance?
[10:19] <_Sime> Tonio_: guidances works the same way.
[10:19] <jpatrick> I wonder what would happen if I make kerry dep on libbeagle0
[10:19] <Tonio_> _si ?
[10:19] <Tonio_> _Sime: hu ?
[10:19] <_Sime> Tonio_: do you have an example in mind?
[10:20] <Tonio_> _Sime: let me check ;) I though about that a few weeks ago ;)
[10:20] <Tonio_> _Sime: is that recently implemented ? I don't remember guidance was working like that.......
[10:20] <_Sime> Tonio_: bug??? but, yes guidance is meant to work like that. :)
[10:21] <Tonio_> _Sime: for example system services.......
[10:21] <_Sime> Tonio_: If is doesn't, then it is a bug. ;)
[10:21] <Tonio_> _Sime: you cannot apply but you can change stuff, why not making any change impossible ?
[10:21] <_Sime> Tonio_: you can't change stuff in services.
[10:21] <_Sime> Tonio_: if you are not root
[10:21] <Tonio_> _Sime: you can play with the run level
[10:22] <_Sime> Tonio_: that doesn't change the run level though.
[10:22] <Tonio_> _Sime: but I agree it is not like it was a few weeks ago ;)
[10:22] <Tonio_> _Sime: last month I was able to play with the "display" module, but it was bugging for me
[10:22] <Tonio_> _Sime: it is now okay, so sorry for bugging you with this :)
[10:22] <Tonio_> _Sime: I should have looked because asking :)
[10:23] <_Sime> Tonio_: no prob. but please, test things, try to break it. There are still bugs to find (and fix!)
[10:23] <_Sime> Tonio_: are you using a laptop btw?
[10:23] <Tonio_> _Sime: I did, but I gave it to my lovelly this week end ;)
[10:24] <Tonio_> she needs it ;)
[10:24] <_Sime> oh
[10:24] <_Sime> I want to know if clone mode   /vga-out is working for laptops.
[10:24] <Tonio_> _Sime: I can't test anymore
[10:24] <_Sime> I've got reports that using clone mode on (some) laptops is not working well.
[10:24] <danimo> _Sime: basically I wanted to discuss my problems with displayconfig
[10:24] <jpatrick> _Sime: I have one
[10:24] <_Sime> danimo: please do.
[10:25] <_Sime> jpatrick: ok, split it out. :-)
[10:25] <_Sime> spit
[10:25] <_Sime> i mean
[10:25] <jpatrick> what should i do'
[10:26] <danimo> _Sime: ok, lets start with my setup: laptop with LCD-Display (1024x800) and external VGA-output
[10:26] <danimo> _Sime: which is (sometimes) connected to a 1280x1024 monitor
[10:26] <_Sime> jpatrick: oh, sorry, you HAVE a laptop. (I though a problem in guidance)
[10:26] <Tonio_> _Sime: I could have done the test till yesterday, too bad :)
[10:26] <_Sime> danimo: yes
[10:26] <danimo> _Sime: first problem: displayconfig configures my display for a use with 75 Hz
[10:27] <jpatrick> _Sime: :)
[10:27] <danimo> _Sime: which is nonsistical, and makes the picture flicker on the external monitor
[10:27] <_Sime> danimo: you can turn that rate down, or not?
[10:27] <danimo> _Sime: furthermore, I am not able to configure a display resulting of 1280x1024
[10:27] <danimo> _Sime: no, I can only chose 75 Hz
[10:28] <_Sime> danimo: have you tried selecting the monitor model on the hardware tab?
[10:28] <_Sime> danimo: for the first & second monitors.
[10:29] <_Sime> danimo: I hope you actually see two monitors on the hardware tab. :-/
[10:29] <danimo> _Sime: well, it is only one monitor physically
[10:29] <_Sime> danimo: and the hardware tab?
[10:30] <danimo> _Sime: intel 915 and vesa driver
[10:30] <danimo> _Sime: I only have the intel card though
[10:31] <_Sime> danimo: yes, but how many monitor icons are being displayed on the hardware tab in systemsettings/
[10:31] <_Sime> ?
[10:32] <danimo> _Sime: one per card
[10:33] <_Sime> danimo: ok, it sounds like displayconfig hasn't detected that your machine is dualhead/clone/cga-out capable.
[10:33] <_Sime> danimo: you've only got one card though?
[10:37] <_Sime> danimo: I'll probably have to use the small "detect-laptop" script in displayconfig to detect a vga-out.
[10:37] <_Sime> danimo: every laptop has vga-out I assume
[10:39] <jpatrick> evening raphink
[10:40] <raphink> hi jpatrick
[10:40] <raphink> hi apachelogger
[10:41] <jpatrick> yo apachelogger
[10:41] <raphink> Tonio_: je suis l maintenant ;)
[10:42] <danimo> _Sime: yes, but some do have acutal dual head output
[10:43] <danimo> _Sime: it should just be like on windows (tm). if I switch to "display on both", the output is switched to the "least common denominator" (1024x800) for both, if I switch to the external monitor exclusively, it should get the optimal size (1280x1024)
[10:43] <_Sime> danimo: ok, i see
[10:44] <_Sime> danimo: I'll check that that is what is does in clone mode.
[10:45] <_Sime> danimo: do you have an example of a xorg.conf that works well for you AND gives uses the VGA-out too?
[10:46] <_Sime> danimo: or does you laptop always output on vga-out?
[10:46] <Tonio_> raphink: pv
[10:46] <_Sime> danimo: most desktop cards need 'Clone' mode turned on.
[10:50] <danimo> _Sime: no it doesn't, I have to switch through it
[10:51] <apachelogger> ahoy jpatrick 
[10:51] <_Sime> danimo: what do you mean? you just press a button and it does it by itself?
[10:51] <apachelogger> hey raphink 
[10:51] <apachelogger> aloha to all :)
[10:51] <danimo> _Sime: yes
[10:51] <raphink> hi apachelogger
[10:51] <danimo> _Sime: most keyboards do it that way
[10:51] <danimo> _Sime: the windows software even has means to catch those hooks
[10:52] <danimo> _Sime: (hooks that apperantly get send from the hardware when the switchover happens)
[10:52] <danimo> _Sime: no, I haven't yet succeeded in building a proper xorg.conf
[10:59] <danimo> _Sime: not sure if linux supports the toggle hooks at all. and without them we have no chance whatsoever to adjust the display size properly
[11:02] <_Sime> danimo: i'm not sure what to do in that case...