[12:17] <marseillai> siretart: after an hour of test it's really a wpa bug! it turns in a infiny loop when i try in console.
[01:04] <kpdawg> #nicksetup kp.dawg
[01:16] <andrewski> i'm just starting to delve launchpad for all its coolness.  i registered my project on it and i'd love to make use of its bugtracker for it.  but before it goes live, i'd like to make sure: since i'm listed as the owner/maintainer of the project, will i be notified when bugs are reported?
[01:30] <mpt> andrewski, no, for that you need to register yourself as the "bug contact"
[01:30] <mpt> Doing that is under the "Bugs" menu for your product.
[01:31] <mpt> And welcome to Launchpad, btw.
[01:32] <andrewski> mpt: thanks for the help and for the welcome. :)  cheers.
[01:33] <andrewski> would it be bugworthy to file something that sets up the bug contact when registering a new project, or at least gives the option?  that seems like a sane default, at least to me.
[01:35] <mpt> Maybe, but maybe not
[01:36] <mpt> Depends on the proportion of products that are registering to use Malone
[01:36] <mpt> as opposed to registering to use Rosetta or the Bazaar or the other apps
[02:47] <lifeless> mpt: perhaps havie tool-specifici product registration forms ?
[02:48] <lifeless> mpt: i.e. in $sourcepackage/+bugs 'there is no upstream for this product' -> when you create one from there you get a bugs specific workflow
[03:47] <|evi> :D
[04:48] <|evi> anybody ?
[09:16] <lifeless> is staging meant to be down ?
[10:30] <sivang> morning all sundayers
[10:32] <fireglow> hi sivang :)
[10:41] <sivang> hey fireglow , how's it going?
[11:03] <fireglow> just fine :) nice weather around here. how are you doing?
[11:12] <fireglow> gtg, bb
[03:54] <andrewski> is there any way to search for a specific product with a distro?  e.g. https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs-advanced-search, where i decide i'd like to search for all bugs in product "foo".
[03:57] <mdke> andrewski, as far as I've understood it, products don't occur in distros. If you're looking for all the bugs on a specific package, it's very easy. Click "Source Packages" in the top left
[03:57] <ddaa> Mh... I do not think such a search exist, and it would be tricky in the general case, since distro think in terms of packages, and there are not exactly products, but there is a relation
[03:58] <ddaa> mdke: oh thanks, how unobvious :)
[03:58] <andrewski> well, what i really mean is that if i search for, say, "rhythmbox" in ubuntu, i'll get all bugs that even mention rhythmbox, whereas i'd like to drill down and just see bugs that are assigned to rhythmbox.  mdke, i don't see how to do this even if i click on "source packages".  (forgive me if i'm getting the terminology mixed up a bit.)
[03:59] <mdke> andrewski, click "Source packages" then enter "Rhythmbox", then click "Bugs"
[03:59] <ddaa> generally, looking for distro bugs by product would be unreliable because the linkage between packages and products is not always present or up to date. But that might be a worthwile feature.
[03:59] <ddaa> andrewski: what mdke says
[04:00] <ddaa> at least search for bugs for a given source package should be easier
[04:00] <andrewski> ah, ok... that takes a lot of unobvious (for me) clicks.
[04:00] <ddaa> andrewski: file a bug!
[04:00] <andrewski> i was thinking about it, but wanted to come discuss it here first. :)
[04:00] <ddaa> on launchpad product, I agree the UI is confuddling
[04:01] <andrewski> you gotta check myself before i wreck myself: i want to say "searching for source packages in a specific distro", yes?
[04:02] <ddaa> something like "unobvious how to search bugs for a specific package in a distro"
[04:02] <mdke> andrewski, the "Source package" thing is being worked on, I believe.
[04:02] <andrewski> mdke: well, obviously i'll search before filing. ;)
[04:02] <mdke> there was an email about simplifying things last week to ubuntu-devel
[04:03] <dilys> Merge to devel/launchpad/: [trivial]  Fix crasher in specworkload table, and add a test -- my fault, but where was the test for it? (r3437: kiko)
[04:10] <andrewski> does malone take HTML (specifically "<a>") tags?
[04:14] <ddaa> andrewski: I'd expect it to quote it
[04:15] <ddaa> if you paste a URL, it should linkify it automatically
[04:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> can i close someone's support requests without being administrator of a group? it's been open for a while, and it's no longer relevent
[04:16] <mdke> andrewski, it will also linkify "bug #1234" for you
[04:30] <andrewski> ddaa, mdke: in case you're interested, that ended up as "bug #38881" in malone.
[04:30] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 38881 in malone "Searching for bugs in a specific package in a distro is unobvious" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/38881
[04:30] <andrewski> thanks for the help.
[04:30] <mdke> cool
[04:53] <andrewski> another thought: there doesn't seem to be enough product/package info sent with bug notifications.  such info would be nice, as i would like to handle bugs filed against my registered product separately from the ubuntu bug notifications i receive.  i could use my email filter, but there doesn't seem to be any criteria....
[04:57] <mpt> andrewski, have you seen the X-Launchpad-Bug: header?
[04:57] <andrewski> [hangs head in shame]  no...
[04:57] <andrewski> /me goes and looks.
[04:58] <andrewski> oh gosh, it's right there.  well, that'll do then.  kudos to launchpad people for keeping the bug notifications trim but supplying all the useful information!
[04:58] <andrewski> thanks mpt
[07:17] <copernic> hello, does anyone know if KDE translations sync with their svn repository after being translated via rosetta?
[07:18] <mdke> copernic, you mean ubuntu->upstream? No, they don't
[07:19] <copernic> mdke: so these translations are lost?
[07:22] <mdke> copernic, they go into Ubuntu. If the translators wish to submit their work upstream, they can do so. It's like all linux development, really
[07:23] <copernic> oh I see now, that makes sence
[07:23] <copernic> po files are always there anyway
[07:23] <mdke> sure, sure
[07:23] <mdke> maybe one day if kde uses rosetta for translation, pooling translations through rosetta will be simpler
[07:24] <mdke> but for now, it's up to the individual translating teams to give back upstream
[07:34] <uws> mdke: I'm sorry to say this, but rosetta really upsets me
[07:34] <uws> I'm an upstream GNOME-NL (Dutch) translator
[07:34] <mdke> uws, that's ok. I don't make it
[07:34] <uws> really bad translations enter ubuntu
[07:34] <uws> we (gnome-nl) get the flames
[07:35] <mdke> uws, that's nothing to do with rosetta. It is the Ubuntu Dutch Translating team
[07:35] <mdke> talk to them
[07:35] <mdke> ask them to be more careful about who is in their team
[07:35] <uws> Well, the sync looks like something not directly related to ubuntu-nl
[07:35] <uws> it's really bad policy to keep all translations downstream
[07:35] <mdke> translations can only come from upstream or the ubuntu translation team
[07:35] <uws> not notifying upstream
[07:35] <mdke> uws, again, that is up to the ubuntu-nl team, in my opinion
[07:36] <uws> We try our best to get high quality trnslations, but the crappy ubuntu-nl transltations end up in ubuntu
[07:36] <uws> ignoring our hard work
[07:36] <mdke> i help in the italian team, we are quite careful about maintaining good members on the team. We enforce the gnome translation guidelines
[07:36] <uws> the official upstream gnome translations are pretty good
[07:36] <mdke> and where there are upstream translations already, we don't overwrite them
[07:36] <uws> but ubuntu ships translations that don't even get  "file->save" right
[07:37] <mdke> uws, the only thing I can suggest is to talk to ubuntu-nl, and ask them to get their act together
[07:37] <uws> Another thing
[07:37] <uws> I found a Dutch translation for Serpentine
[07:38] <uws> a gnome application for burning cd's
[07:38] <uws> it's not in gnome -cvs
[07:38] <uws> so it's officialy not our job
[07:38] <uws> it featured a nl.po WITHOUT ANY last-translator fields
[07:38] <uws> nor a name in the comments
[07:38] <uws> only a X-Rosetta.... header
[07:38] <uws> so I assume it comes from ubuntu
[07:38] <uws> it was really, really bad.
[07:38] <mdke> could be
[07:39] <uws> It really sucks I can't even figure out who is responsible for it.
[07:39] <uws> I'm done halfway fixing it. I changed about 90% of the strings.
[07:39] <uws> While Rosetta is a great way to get people involved, at the moment it's REALLY UNFRIENDLY for upstream
[07:39] <mdke> hang on
[07:39] <uws> ok
[07:40] <mdke> do you have this problem with other distributions?
[07:40] <uws> don't get me wrong. I love to see people involved
[07:40] <uws> but I really hate it to not be able to find out who did things
[07:40] <uws> mdke: No, just Ubuntu.
[07:40] <mdke> right
[07:40] <uws> mdke: The other distributions track upstream
[07:40] <mdke> no...
[07:40] <mdke> ubuntu tracks upstream too
[07:40] <uws> redhat, novell, debian, all get our translations right in some way
[07:40] <uws> ubuntu doesn't
[07:40] <mdke> hang on a sec
[07:40] <uws> k
[07:41] <mdke> ubuntu imports upstream translations. What you are complaining about is the ubuntu dutch translating team overwriting your translations with bad ones. That is something you really have to speak to that team about
[07:42] <mdke> any translation system is useless if the team management isn't working
[07:42] <uws> Yeah I figure
[07:42] <mdke> its like giving cvs access in gnome to bad translations, right?
[07:42] <mdke> s/translations/translators
[07:42] <uws> No, the bad translations don't enter gnome cvs
[07:42] <mdke> exactly, because you have good team management
[07:42] <uws> and so do other gnome-nl people
[07:43] <mdke> if you gave cvs access to a bad translator, it would be a problem, wouldn't it?
[07:43] <uws> I would strongly oppose against anyone from ubuntu-nl committing upstream po files :)
[07:43] <mdke> quite. have you talked to ubuntu-nl about this problem? it's a problem I see in other teams too (ubuntu-fr has like 200 members)
[07:44] <uws> mdke: Well, we don't hand cvs access, that's a gnome-wide decision. But we (as GNOME-NL) would instantly ask for account suspension if someone started committing nl.po files
[07:44] <uws> 200 is WAY too much
[07:44] <mdke> i agree. in ubuntu-it we are much more careful
[07:44] <mdke> it's a balance between encouraging collaboration, and making sure the OS doesn't get translations which are against upstream translation guides
[07:45] <uws> every assh*le with a computer can submit crappy stuff. While I'm glad they use gnome (or ubuntu, whatever), I don't want them participating in things they don't do right
[07:45] <mdke> uws, I agree. But the only solution is to talk to ubuntu-nl, I think
[07:45] <mdke> well, not the only one, but a good start
[07:45] <uws> And as an upstream translator, I think I can claim "some" authority over it..
[07:47] <uws> mdke: I'll talk to them.
[07:47] <uws> mdke: any pointers where I can find contact details?
[07:47] <uws> I'm not into ubuntu management stuff
[07:47] <mdke> sure
[07:47] <JanC> mdke: how do we know which translators do good translations and which do bad translations?
[07:47] <mdke> https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-l10n-nl
[07:48] <mdke> JanC, you read their translations
[07:48] <uws> No
[07:48] <uws> we don't
[07:48] <uws> because I don't run ubuntu
[07:48] <uws> I run upstream gnome
[07:48] <JanC> launchpad doesn't tell us who did the translation...
[07:48] <uws> Indeed
[07:48] <mdke> yes, it does
[07:48] <uws> and that's a LARGE part of the problem
[07:48] <mdke> hang on, I'll give you an example, if you'll calm down a bit
[07:48] <uws> the po files don't get a last-translator update
[07:48] <uws> mdke: I still love you :)
[07:49] <JanC> no, it doesn't tell who did what
[07:49] <mdke> i'll be happy to show you what we do in ubuntu-it
[07:50] <mdke> ok. Here's the group. https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-l10n-it/+members.
[07:50] <mdke> click on the first guy in the list of "Proposed Members"
[07:51] <mdke> click on Translations
[07:51] <mdke> click on one of his translations, say "gnomebaker"
[07:51] <mdke> oh crap
[07:51] <JanC> which tells me there are about 20 people who worked on it  ;-)
[07:51] <mdke> this won't work, you can't access the translations for italian
[07:52] <mdke> anyway, you click "translate" then you'll see all the suggestions that guy has made
[07:52] <JanC> eh, you have to be admin for that or what?
[07:53] <mdke> you need to be in the translation team for that language
[07:53] <mdke> JanC, you're in ubuntu-nl, right?
[07:53] <uws> the systen is broken by design
[07:53] <uws> I'm really sorry
[07:53] <mdke> uws, feel free to report any problems you see. But I can tell you, the system works, if you have good teams
[07:54] <JanC> yes, but I can't review translations ?
[07:54] <uws> As an upstream author I can't see who broke what
[07:54] <uws> let alone review
[07:54] <mdke> gah
[07:54] <mdke> JanC, if you are in the translator team for a particular language, you can review the translations
[07:54] <JanC> is this only for proposed members?
[07:55] <mdke> if someone wants to join the team, you ask them to contribute some suggestions, and then see whether he follows the TP guidelines, or whatever guidelines you use
[07:55] <mdke> JanC, is what only for proposed members?
[07:55] <JanC> that one can review what someone translated...
[07:56] <mdke> you can see all translations and suggestions
[07:56] <mdke> JanC, aren't you in ubuntu-nl?
[07:57] <JanC> I am in ubuntu-nl & ubuntu-l10n-nl but I can't see that...
[07:57] <mdke> because its ITALIAN
[07:58] <JanC> I can only see a list of packages that people "helped" translate
[07:58] <JanC> or "helped" destroy, as uws would think ;-) 
[07:58] <mdke> yeah, you guys should talk to the gnome team, and work out what is going wrong
[07:59] <JanC> I have been talking with them before, but we can't do anything as long as we can't do QA...
[07:59] <copernic> uws: do you know Vncent Van Adrighem?
[08:00] <mdke> ok, I'm telling you now, the italian team is doing it, and so can you
[08:00] <JanC> copernic: yes, we know him
[08:00] <JanC> mdke: if you tell me how I can see who did what...   :)
[08:01] <mdke> underneath each string to be translated, it says the name of a person who made a suggestion, with the suggestion that they made
[08:01] <mdke> with all due respect, anyone who is in a translation team that works via rosetta should really know that
[08:01] <copernic> JanC: I haven't seem him for a while.. did he give up translating?
[08:02] <JanC> but that only works for translations that haven't been applied...
[08:02] <copernic> JanC: we had some great conversations and bugfixes some years ago
[08:02] <JanC> copernic: he's on #gnome-nl regularly
[08:02] <uws> JanC: Nah, not "helped destory"
[08:02] <mdke> JanC, yes. You'd hardly ask a proposed member to translate strings which are already translated
[08:02] <JanC> *sigh*
[08:02] <uws> copernic: Of course I know Vincent van Adrighem
[08:03] <uws> copernic: he's our gnome-nl translator and I meet with him add odd times to discuss gnome-nl issues
[08:03] <uws> s/add/at/ (slip of my muscle memory)
[08:03] <copernic> ok, seems like my absence on irc is paying off :)
[08:04] <uws> copernic: Vincent has been pretty busy lately
[08:04] <uws> copernic: But last week he graduated
[08:04] <copernic> #gnome-nl on Gimpnet?
[08:04] <uws> yeah.
[08:04] <uws> nickname  adrighem
[08:04] <JanC> mdke: how do you know someone keeps translating correctly and how do you know who made some common gramatic error so that you can correct him, etc.?
[08:04] <uws> but he's not here atm, copernic 
[08:04] <copernic> uws: yeah, school sucks, I really gave up translation due to classes :(
[08:04] <mdke> JanC, generally, it is sufficient QA to ensure that someone knows how to do that _before_ entering the team
[08:05] <copernic> uws: np, will catch him later
[08:05] <JanC> mdke: nobody is a perfect translator...
[08:05] <JanC> so we must kick everybody and not translate anything anymore?
[08:06] <mdke> JanC, no, I didn't say anything approaching that
[08:06] <JanC> it's not like there are a million people waiting to do the work...
[08:07] <mdke> ok, but it sounds like you have a bit of a quality problem there. So ensuring people know what they are doing before they enter the team sounds like a good start
[08:08] <JanC> that won't work without kicking everyone out first  ;-)
[08:08] <uws> The problem is
[08:08] <uws> translating is too easy with rosetta
[08:08] <uws> the result is low quality
[08:09] <mdke> that is only if entering the right group is too easy
[08:09] <JanC> uws: we could kick everyone out of the team and just appoint some people to apply proposed translations...
[08:09] <uws> Okay, once again.
[08:09] <mdke> if the teams are right, the interface makes translation easier without reducing the quality
[08:09] <uws> I'm NOT involved in Ubuntu. NOT involved. NOT.
[08:10] <uws> I don't care about their management troubles
[08:10] <mdke> uws, you evidently use it
[08:10] <mdke> no?
[08:10] <JanC> mdke: he doesn't AFAIK
[08:10] <uws> mdke: I don't use Ubuntu
[08:10] <mdke> ah
[08:10] <mdke> so it's the flaming from ubuntu users you object to?
[08:10] <uws> I recommended it to lots of people
[08:10] <uws> But I don't use it myself
[08:10] <uws> since I run gnome from cvs anyway
[08:11] <uws> mdke: No, I object to bad translations being shipped with Ubuntu, ignoring our hard (upstream) work to get reasonable quality
[08:11] <mdke> right
[08:11] <JanC> mdke: what rosetta needs is a way to appoint translators to maintain the translation of certain packages...
[08:11] <uws> That's the only thing
[08:11] <mdke> by making these ubuntu-l10n teams, what Ubuntu has done is trusted these groups to take a lot of the responsibility for localising the operating system
[08:11] <uws> What Ubuntu does is great
[08:12] <mdke> now you either (a) object to that decision, or (b) take it up with the local group, afaics
[08:12] <uws> mdke: Yeah, but that obviously introduces a quality assurance hell
[08:12] <mdke> uws, all I can say is, it works ok for me, with an italian desktop
[08:12] <uws> mdke: "Ubuntu" (the entity as a whole) has no way to objectively judge over i18n quality
[08:12] <mdke> uws, how is gnome cvs access given out?
[08:12] <mdke> (for translators)
[08:13] <JanC> mdke: everybody has his/her own packages....
[08:13] <uws> JanC: nope
[08:13] <uws> JanC: 1mmnt
[08:13] <mdke> that's not what I mean
[08:13] <mdke> what I mean is, for someone to get cvs access to gnome as a translator, they go through some quality assurance. All that needs to be done is to do the same for Ubuntu
[08:14] <mdke> because getting access to rosetta is like getting access to gnome cvs
[08:14] <mdke> it shouldn't be given too lightly
[08:14] <uws> mdke: let me explain
[08:14] <uws> gnome-nl has about 6 regular translator
[08:14] <uws> we have 1 coordinator (adrighem)
[08:14] <uws> he's the one who commits the translations
[08:15] <mdke> right, that's exactly how italian works
[08:15] <uws> All translators send po files to him
[08:15] <uws> HOWEVER
[08:15] <uws> some people in gnome-nl have 'elevated' privileges
[08:15] <uws> they can commit stuff without coordinator approval
[08:15] <uws> one of those is me, for instance.
[08:15] <mdke> ok
[08:15] <mdke> that sounds fine
[08:16] <uws> Right now adrighem just commits whatever we send to him :)
[08:16] <uws> without any QA :)
[08:16] <uws> however, most contributors have a pretty good reputation
[08:16] <mdke> all I am saying is that you have quality assurance to get trusted status in the team, and ubuntu-nl should do that too
[08:16] <uws> and if errors are spotted and they come from one specific person, well, that person is simply ignored ;)
[08:16] <JanC> mdke: is there a way to approve all translations from 1 candidate to 1 package at once?
[08:16] <uws> mdke: We have.
[08:16] <mdke> JanC, no.
[08:17] <JanC> you mean, we would have to commit proposals string by string with 2 or 3 people ?
[08:17] <uws> Heh
[08:17] <uws> that bascially means translating again
[08:17] <mdke> you can use as many people as you like
[08:17] <JanC> indeed
[08:18] <JanC> mdke, but we don't have so many people who can do this...
[08:18] <mdke> ok
[08:18] <mdke> that's the point of encouraging new members, by checking their proposals, and then adding them to the team, when you know that they are following the right guidelines
[08:20] <JanC> but it means we can't do translations ourselves for months, coaching some people, and copying *all* their proposed translations 1 by 1 with a very small number of people
[08:21] <JanC> anyway, I'll talk a bit with Seveas about this too
[08:21] <uws> JanC: Yeah, we'd love to get this "fixed"
[08:21] <Seveas> JanC, ?
[08:21] <uws> I think a high quality Dutch translation is a shared goal
[08:21] <mdke> JanC, I'm sure the problem isn't that serious. But if you are asking me "is it better to have 3 high quality translators or 300 bad ones?" My answer would be the former
[08:21] <mdke> the reality is somewhere in between, no doubt
[08:22] <JanC> mdke: but better a not-so-good translation than no translation
[08:23] <JanC> e.g. for packages in universe
[08:23] <uws> Yeah
[08:23] <uws> JanC: Ehm, sorry
[08:23] <uws> no
[08:23] <mdke> I'm not so sure
[08:23] <mdke> it looks pretty unprofessional
[08:23] <uws> No translation is better than some crap I've seen
[08:23] <uws> mdke: indeed.
[08:23] <JanC> that's why I would prefer if it would be possible to assign people to packages to translate
[08:24] <mdke> JanC, you can do that, informally
[08:24] <mdke> draw up a list of high priority packages and assign people
[08:24] <mdke> it's a good idea
[08:26] <JanC> I'd rather have people translate at home and send po-files, it would be easier than using rosetta...
[08:26] <uws> bye
[08:26] <JanC> but that's my opinion of course...
[08:27] <mdke> you can do that with rosetta too
[08:28] <mdke> just use it like cvs, and upload po files
[08:28] <mdke> final thought: I do think that launchpad can do more to assist QA for a team, such as displaying all a person's translations in one place 
[08:28] <mdke> and probably lots more
[08:28] <mdke> but there is no substitute for careful team management
[08:30] <JanC> the problem is, if we have to move all but a small number of translators outside of the core team, how many will keep doing translations?
[08:31] <mdke> i agree, there is an interesting social balance between encouraging people, and making sure the QA is good
[08:31] <mdke> the italian team has been grappling with that recently, it can be done, with good documentation, and communication
[08:31] <JanC> I guess the italian team is a bit larger than the dutch team too  ;-)
[08:32] <mdke> well... there are a few old members who are inactive
[08:32] <mdke> but it's quite big yeah
[08:32] <JanC> but I guess I'll have to talk to seveas, as he's the team owner...
[08:33] <mdke> good plan
[08:33] <mdke> it might be worth a discussion on the rosetta-users lists too, given that it is not the only team
[08:33] <mdke> i might write a mail this evening
[08:34] <JanC> one propblem is e.g. that the people I trust the most on doing translations aren't even ubuntu users   :)
[08:34] <mdke> they should definitely use the software they are translating. that's pretty basic stuff
[08:35] <JanC> mdke: they are e.g. gnome-nl translators
[08:38] <mdke> well, Ubuntu has some customisations, and uses a lot of non-gnome software
[08:39] <JanC> yeah, I guess those people are mainly interested in gnome packages...
[08:40] <JanC> but they are the most experienced translators...
[09:52] <dsas> Hi, I'm just wondering how one becomes a 'creator' of a translation file?
[09:53] <dsas> I seem to be for https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/ubuntu-docs/+pots/desktopguide/en_GB/+translate but have no idea how I got there, I've contributed to the docs a little, but I'm not  a member of en_GB or anything.
[09:58] <mdke> dsas, you need to be in ubuntu-l10n-gb, I guess
[09:59] <dsas> If you go to https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/ubuntu-docs/+pots/desktopguide/en_GB/+translate I _already_ am listed as translation file creator
[10:00] <dsas> (whatever one of those is)
[10:08] <mdke> dsas, are you listed in Ubuntu English (United Kingdom) Translators
[10:08] <mdke> ?
[10:09] <mdke> oh, sorry I've misunderstood the question
[10:09] <mdke> god knows
[10:09] <mdke> maybe you were the first to visit that url or something ;)
[10:11] <dsas> heh, it seem I created all of the en_GB doc team translations.
[10:13] <dsas> I have rights to translate desktopguide into en_GB despite not being in the ubuntu-l10n-gb team, however I don't have writes to translate about-ubuntu, only suggest.
[10:13] <dsas> yet I'm the creator of that too.
[10:15] <dsas> s/writes/rights
[10:19] <dsas> I did some translation on the quicktour for breezy, I've no idea if they got approved though. I'm also listed as creator of that (https://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-doc/+series/main/+pots/quicktour/en_GB/+translate)
[10:20] <dsas> Does anyone from the rosetta team know what's going on?
[10:26] <dsas> Is this a bug or a feature? If i export a PO then go back to the translation page for that program, I now have rights to edit it as I see fit.
[10:29] <mdke> dsas, if you can submit translations for an ubuntu file even though you aren't in the right group, it's certainly a bug
[10:48] <dsas> reported as #38928
[10:48] <mdke> bug #38928
[10:50] <dsas> i made the bug private, just in case.
[10:50] <dsas> although I'm always up for a bit of bot kicking.
[10:51] <mdke> ok
[10:53] <dsas> perhaps not entirely neccessary as I think it's related to me being the 'creator', so probably not easily copied by many people.
[10:53] <dsas> I just tried doing it on the chinese translation and it didn't work.
[11:52] <Bunty> hiz
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[11:54] <Bunty> any other ?
[11:54] <mdke_> you can request cds there
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[12:01] <Bunty> hay listen
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