| mdz | infinity: depends on what the changes are | 12:02 |
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| floam | anyone packaged a new restricted-modules .deb with the new NVIDIA module? I doubt it's going to be in dapper, but I'm guessing someone wanted to try it | 12:49 |
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| jdong | floam: mjg59 stated at the forums that Dapper does intend to have this new NVidia module | 12:54 |
| jdong | (I don't know how accurate that is) | 12:54 |
| jdong | currently, I've failed to manually install the module from NVidia installers on two Dapper boxes | 12:54 |
| jdong | so I'm waiting and saving my time :) | 12:54 |
| crimsun | well if matthew says so, I'd say it's pretty darned certain it will be. | 12:54 |
| floam | jdong: wow, that surprises me | 12:55 |
| floam | being so late in the game and all | 12:55 |
| jdong | floam, it surprised me as well | 12:55 |
| floam | although that would probably be a good thing for dapper in the long run, since it's supposed to be supported for a long time and the new version adds support for some newer hardware | 12:55 |
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| jdong | floam: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=899834&postcount=7 | 12:56 |
| floam | and I thought nothing useful was ever stated on the fourms. | 12:56 |
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| jdong | floam: umm, what would make you think that? | 12:57 |
| floam | jdong: just my last few years experience with the internet. webforums for Linux distributions tend to be places where cluebies spread false information and diseases | 12:58 |
| floam | they are usually devoid of anyone important | 12:58 |
| jdong | I see.... | 12:59 |
| jdong | there are developers who regularly are on the forums | 12:59 |
| jdong | while it's true that any online community you're going to get some level of false information.... | 12:59 |
| floam | the signal-to-noise ratio is usally much worse for web forums than for the proper mailing lists | 12:59 |
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| jdong | I wouldn't say so... our forums just have monstrous proportions of traffic compared to the lists | 01:00 |
| jdong | but we do acknowledge that problem... it's getting better though | 01:01 |
| floam | I'm not speaking specifically about the ubuntu forums | 01:03 |
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| desrt | is it possible to remove a remote bug watch on launchpad? | 01:33 |
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| bluefoxicy | crimsun: Lovely, upon gdm starting the kernel hard-freezes and magicsysrq won't shut the machine off :p | 01:36 |
| bluefoxicy | irqpoll nah. | 01:36 |
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| nictuku | nwu project calling for initial version testing: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-server/2006-April/000129.html | 01:49 |
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| Le_Vert | Hi | 01:55 |
| Le_Vert | How could I submit a new packages for Ubuntu ? | 01:55 |
| Le_Vert | I have some packages that'll be sent to debian and I would send them to ubuntu too | 01:55 |
| crimsun | Le_Vert: see #ubuntu-motu; https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New | 01:56 |
| LaserJock | Le_Vert: check out wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU and #ubuntu-motu | 01:56 |
| Le_Vert | thanks :) | 01:56 |
| Seveas | Le_Vert, there's no real need to send them to Ubuntu separately, Ubuntu will get them through debian | 02:07 |
| Le_Vert | ok :) | 02:08 |
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| aimaz | did they make tab complete have spelling mistakes? | 03:23 |
| desrt | they made it totally fail to work properly | 03:24 |
| desrt | erasing /etc/bash_complete seems to fix the problem | 03:24 |
| desrt | bash_completion even | 03:24 |
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| infinity | mdz: http://cerberus.0c3.net/~adconrad/re2c.changelog | 03:39 |
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| wasabi__ | Or is there a better way... making an Ubuntu utility. ;) | 04:28 |
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| zakame | hello fabbione :) | 08:34 |
| fabbione | hi zakame | 08:34 |
| neuralis | fabbione: what do you think about a lynx/links udeb for the server install cd? | 08:40 |
| fabbione | neuralis: for what use case? | 08:40 |
| neuralis | fabbione: there's a guy providing one (not very convincing) use case on the ML, but it does actually seem at least as useful as the openssh-client udeb | 08:41 |
| neuralis | i haven't made up my mind about whether i'd support it yet. what do you think? | 08:43 |
| fabbione | i am thinking... | 08:43 |
| fabbione | it's like Sunday 9 am :) | 08:43 |
| neuralis | 2:43AM here :) | 08:43 |
| fabbione | yeah i know | 08:43 |
| fabbione | well there is wget already | 08:44 |
| fabbione | i can see the point of the login script | 08:44 |
| fabbione | the testing part is junk | 08:44 |
| neuralis | agreed. though it might be convenient to take a look at some instructions online that one didn't print, etc | 08:45 |
| fabbione | the only counter side for him not being able to login to his ISP is that apt-get source.lists lines for security are not enabled by default | 08:45 |
| fabbione | no no, let's keep the use case simple | 08:46 |
| fabbione | if he is installing a server he has at lease one client | 08:46 |
| fabbione | that he can use to browse | 08:46 |
| fabbione | otherwise it really makes no sense to install a server | 08:46 |
| neuralis | that's not (always) true. think server rooms. | 08:46 |
| neuralis | then again, if he's installing a server in a server room, he shouldn't be browsing online for instructions, usually :) | 08:47 |
| fabbione | exactly | 08:47 |
| neuralis | okay, i think i'm convinced we don't need it. | 08:48 |
| fabbione | i think so too | 08:48 |
| fabbione | it's too much of a corner case | 08:49 |
| neuralis | agreed; i'm writing a reply to the guy. | 08:49 |
| fabbione | and once he reboots, he can login and enable security updates | 08:49 |
| neuralis | another quick thing -- i wrote in the server chapter that we have ocfs2-tools in dapper. is that no longer the case? | 08:49 |
| neuralis | or do we just have the breezy version? | 08:49 |
| fabbione | yes we do have ocfs2-tools and ocfs2console in main | 08:50 |
| fabbione | we have new versions in dapper | 08:50 |
| neuralis | ah. i thought i saw you say something else in one of the dev meetings, but i probably misremembered. thanks. | 08:50 |
| fabbione | we were waiting for a new major uptream version | 08:50 |
| fabbione | that didt really happen | 08:51 |
| fabbione | so we will stay with what we already have in Dapper | 08:51 |
| fabbione | nothing too fancy | 08:51 |
| fabbione | we do have 1.1.5 or so | 08:51 |
| fabbione | there 1.2 out | 08:51 |
| fabbione | but also tons of bug fixes for 1.2 in svn | 08:51 |
| fabbione | and i was waiting for 1.2.1 that's not happening yet | 08:51 |
| neuralis | sounds like it's best sticking with 1.1.5.\ | 08:51 |
| fabbione | yeah | 08:52 |
| fabbione | it's ok for what we need | 08:52 |
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| neuralis | fabbione: so i just reread the guy's away message, and i don't think he was actually asking about an udeb, but about shipping the package on the cd | 08:53 |
| neuralis | because if we don't, he can't reboot and log in, because logging in requires a browser which he can't install. | 08:53 |
| fabbione | hmmm right | 08:54 |
| fabbione | yes that can be done | 08:54 |
| neuralis | should be pretty trivial. can you poke colin to include it, or do you want me to mail him? | 08:55 |
| fabbione | i can do it directly... | 08:55 |
| fabbione | just send me a reminder | 08:55 |
| neuralis | sure. | 08:55 |
| fabbione | i own the server seeds | 08:55 |
| neuralis | ah, even better | 08:55 |
| fabbione | that hounestly.. i should really clean up a lot soon | 08:55 |
| neuralis | i'll send you a reminder sometime tomorrow, then. | 08:55 |
| fabbione | sure.. | 08:55 |
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| jmg | hmm.. | 09:41 |
| jmg | bizarro | 09:45 |
| fabbione | neuralis: still around? | 09:47 |
| neuralis | fabbione: what's up? | 09:47 |
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| sivang | elmo: thank you :) | 10:28 |
| sivang | morning all | 10:30 |
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| MagnusR | Hi! If I find a translation error in synaptic, how do I do to correct it? | 11:32 |
| Lathiat | At a guess, it would be available by rosetta on http://launchpad.net ? | 11:33 |
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| MagnusR | I have looked around there a bit. but i did not quit understand how o do. | 11:35 |
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| Kinnison | Morning | 11:50 |
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| ajmitch | morning Kinnison | 11:54 |
| Kinnison | hihi | 11:55 |
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| sivang | hey Kinnison | 12:13 |
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| sivang | howdy bddebian | 02:00 |
| bddebian | Heya sivang | 02:00 |
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| engla | I'm not a dev, I just reported some bugs in ubuntu. Is it the right thing to do to go back and close those bugs if I think they are fixed/resolved/invalid? | 02:23 |
| sivang | engla: you can try and ask other people who have reported the same and are subscribed to the bug if it works for them. | 02:24 |
| sivang | engla: if so, then I reckon it would be okay. | 02:24 |
| mdke | engla, yeah, close em if you don't see them anymore and you were the original reporter | 02:25 |
| sivang | that as well :) | 02:26 |
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| _ion | Astronomers have discovered that Uranus has a blue ring. | 02:56 |
| darklinux | hi | 02:56 |
| darklinux | i want to build a new kernel 2.6.17 of the dpkg base of dapper kernel 2.6.15 i have change the control and changelog file to 2.6.17 and the dir name when in want to build the package they remove the debian folder not more | 02:59 |
| _ion | ARGH, my eyes | 02:59 |
| darklinux | can help anybody | 03:01 |
| infinity | darklinux: apt-get install kernel-package && man make-kpkg | 03:02 |
| infinity | darklinux: And please ask these questions in #ubuntu, not #ubuntu-devel, this is not a support channel. | 03:03 |
| bddebian | infinity!! | 03:03 |
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| bddebian | Is it Monday for you yet? :-) | 03:03 |
| _ion | su160317 Ignoring ALL from darklinux | 03:03 |
| infinity | Nope! | 03:03 |
| infinity | 23:03 on Sunday night. | 03:03 |
| bddebian | Damn :-) | 03:03 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 03:04 |
| jsgotangco | not yet work time | 03:04 |
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| jsgotangco | im gonna go play oblivion | 03:18 |
| bddebian | Heh, I can't play Morrowind today, we have "company" :-( | 03:19 |
| sivang | bddebian: comapny? | 03:21 |
| bddebian | sivang: US word for guests :-) | 03:23 |
| sivang | bddebian: :) But why does it stop you from playing? | 03:24 |
| infinity | bddebian: So, instead, you sit on IRC and ignore them? :) | 03:24 |
| infinity | congeniality++ | 03:25 |
| bddebian | sivang: They don't, the wife does :-) | 03:26 |
| bddebian | infinity: Well at least I'm in the same room and not screaming "DIE, DIE, DIE" :-) | 03:26 |
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| sivang | bddebian: ehehe | 03:28 |
| sivang | infinity: go the thinkpad , I chicken out and got the one with FireGL V3200 ;-) | 03:28 |
| sivang | *got | 03:28 |
| sivang | infinity: minus one flight 6 bug that didn't configure gdm to start, the ati FOSS driver seems to be working well so far. | 03:29 |
| jdub | mdz: given the slip, what do you think about getting the shut-up-grub patch in? | 03:29 |
| bddebian | shut-up-grub.. Heh | 03:30 |
| infinity | jdub: How shut up is it? | 03:31 |
| infinity | jdub: Do you even remove "hit Esc for a menu"? | 03:31 |
| jdub | infinity: no, just the post-menu spew from memory | 03:36 |
| jdub | infinity: and i think it only hid that if you had 'quiet' on the boot line | 03:36 |
| infinity | The stageX, stageY stuff? | 03:37 |
| jdub | infinity: the patch is in launchpad somewhere | 03:37 |
| jdub | yeah | 03:37 |
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| fabbione | jdub: it's not wise to shut things up too much | 03:38 |
| fabbione | specially in very sensible parts of the boot like grub where debugging is already quite difficult | 03:39 |
| infinity | Shutting them up is fine if they can be "un-shut". | 03:39 |
| fabbione | at least we get to know "it hangs between stage1 and stage2" or stuff like that | 03:39 |
| infinity | (ie: Hold down key X during boot, so you get proper debug spew) | 03:39 |
| infinity | Or whatever. | 03:39 |
| fabbione | infinity: right.. but the 512bytes loader doesn't really have that much cleverness | 03:39 |
| infinity | That's a single branch. I'm sure there are a few bytes to spare. | 03:40 |
| infinity | And it already knows how to listen for keys, IIRC. | 03:40 |
| fabbione | it's slightly more than that but yes... | 03:40 |
| fabbione | it understands concept of harddisks and how to read ext2 :) | 03:40 |
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| jdub | the 'quiet' on the command line could be a nice way of doing it | 03:43 |
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| jdub | if grub should be allowed to interpret those for itself | 03:43 |
| fabbione | erk | 03:44 |
| fabbione | that smells so much as a cmdline args clash | 03:44 |
| jdub | yeah | 03:44 |
| jdub | fabbione: have you tried building one of our 2.6.15 kernels with xen love, or know anyone on the server team doing it? | 03:45 |
| fabbione | jdub: nobody afaik | 03:45 |
| fabbione | and it's kind of late to do it | 03:45 |
| infinity | Haven't even tried. | 03:45 |
| jdub | fabbione: oh yeah, i mean independently of dapper | 03:46 |
| fabbione | jdub: no idea.. i don't use xen and i am not going to, till it's upstream | 03:46 |
| fabbione | since a bunch of kernel devel don't like at all how it's written | 03:46 |
| infinity | It can probably be done with enough wrangling and provided as a community supported thing, but I doubt any of us have enough hours in the day to try right now. | 03:46 |
| fabbione | from a first review they found serious design flaws | 03:47 |
| jdub | it's funny how much gar i hear about xen internals :) | 03:47 |
| fabbione | jdub: well yes.. | 03:47 |
| fabbione | for x86 they have 3 times as much asm required that it's arch/x86 to suppor the entire architecture.. | 03:47 |
| jdub | heh | 03:47 |
| fabbione | + they use a 2 level interpreter that slows stuff down a lot.. | 03:48 |
| fabbione | when i was told they could just use a more generic 1 level intererpreter.. | 03:48 |
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| fabbione | twice as fast.. more portable | 03:48 |
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| bddebian | WTF does this mean?: | 04:25 |
| bddebian | Rejected: | 04:25 |
| bddebian | Not permitted to upload to a release in CURRENT state | 04:25 |
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| siretart | bddebian: you tried to upload to breezy, which doesn't work since some time | 04:28 |
| bddebian | Ack, breezy? WTF. I didn't even see that | 04:29 |
| bddebian | Thanks siretart | 04:29 |
| siretart | bddebian: but you're right somewhre, the error message could be more verbose | 04:30 |
| infinity | Verbosity isn't the issue, it's that no one except launchpad hackers knows what CURRENT means, since the rest of us would think of it as RELEASED, perhaps. | 04:32 |
| bddebian | Well I should check user submitted changelogs more closely too :-( | 04:33 |
| infinity | You should check the entire patch closely, really. If you're not doing so, the black helicopters will visit. | 04:34 |
| bddebian | Well I did check the patch and test it, I just always seem to overlook the distro thing. I've done a couple unstable ones too :-( | 04:35 |
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| siretart | jdong: hey, john | 05:18 |
| jdong | what's up, siretart | 05:18 |
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| wasabi | So anybody want to play with gapti? http://akita.larvalstage.net/~wasabi/bzr/gapti--main It pretty much works! | 05:20 |
| siretart | whats gapti? | 05:20 |
| wasabi | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThirdPartyApt | 05:20 |
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| jdong | interesting... | 05:22 |
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| aimaz | wasabi, ISV = independent software vendor? | 06:47 |
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| wasabi | aimaz: yeah. | 07:00 |
| aimaz | so with gapti a user will click a link and it'll modify their sources.list? | 07:02 |
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| aimaz | wasabi, would added repositories be removed when they're not required because the dependent software is removed? | 07:19 |
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| wasabi | aimaz: no. If that should be added... which I think it should, it would be seperate from this. | 07:35 |
| aimaz | ok | 07:35 |
| wasabi | Like, an automatic sources.list cleanup would be nice. | 07:36 |
| aimaz | how does apt decide which repository to install a package from? | 07:36 |
| wasabi | The one with the latest version or highest pin | 07:36 |
| aimaz | maybe if there was a way to restrict a repository to only what you want | 07:37 |
| aimaz | that would remove some of the security implications mentioned on the wiki page and prevent unstable version of other software provided on a 3rd party repo being installed | 07:38 |
| aimaz | again i suppose that would fall outside gapti | 07:39 |
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| wasabi | It wouldn't help anything. | 07:41 |
| wasabi | At all. | 07:41 |
| wasabi | Because any software you install has to be installed as root. | 07:41 |
| wasabi | At that point, any security concerns are useless. | 07:41 |
| wasabi | Who cares if it can only install packageX, if packageX can do whatever it wants? | 07:41 |
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| aimaz | ok | 07:42 |
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| aimaz | but it would help if say i wanted package x from a 3rd party repo but not other packages they might provide | 07:43 |
| wasabi | Well, that's basic pinning. | 07:43 |
| aimaz | ok | 07:43 |
| wasabi | gapti should probably pin all but the asked packages down. | 07:43 |
| wasabi | Just to prevent them from being installed on accedent. | 07:44 |
| wasabi | But it's not a security mechanism. | 07:44 |
| aimaz | yeah i understand that | 07:44 |
| wasabi | I think I'm going to change the way the public key is distributed though... cleartext sign the .apt file, including the public key. | 07:44 |
| wasabi | that way the key added to apt-key must be the same as the one the .apt file is signed with | 07:45 |
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| elmo | mdke: I reset and resent jjesse's password a couple of weeks ago (or less) - has he really lost his gpg key again already? | 07:55 |
| mdke | elmo, last time he lost he password, but didn't realise he'd also lost the gpg key, so couldn't open your mail. I'm really sorry, as is he | 07:56 |
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| elmo | mdke: k | 07:59 |
| mdke | elmo, thanks a lot | 08:00 |
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| Zauberer | hallo zusammen | 08:09 |
| Zauberer | ich habe in der 6.06 2 kleine fehler gefunden, wo mu ich die posten? | 08:11 |
| j^ | Zauberer https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs/ | 08:12 |
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| bluefoxicy | does anyone have a qemu video.x for ppc? | 08:14 |
| bluefoxicy | qemu swears I have no video bios if I run qemu-system-ppc | 08:14 |
| bluefoxicy | I have openhackware installed | 08:14 |
| bluefoxicy | oops | 08:15 |
| bluefoxicy | wrong channel | 08:15 |
| elmo | are we shipping bcm43xx firmware yet or is it still in legal limbo? | 08:20 |
| mjg59 | elmo: The latter | 08:20 |
| mjg59 | If anyone has any contacts in Broadcom... | 08:23 |
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| elmo | or if someone wants to just BUY Broadcom... :-P | 08:28 |
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| mdke | does anyone else find that they default editor is suddenly vim? rather than good old nano... | 08:30 |
| mdke | s/they/their | 08:30 |
| elmo | mjg59: how do I know which of these myriad firmware .exe's or .sys's I want? | 08:31 |
| bddebian | mdke: Yes that happened to me a couple of times now | 08:31 |
| mdke | bddebian, very disconcerting :) | 08:32 |
| bddebian | aye | 08:32 |
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| _ion | mdke: To me it sounds like a feature rather than a bug. ;-) | 08:33 |
| mdke | heh, it's definitely a bug. I pity the new user who is following instructions in some guide and has to figure out how to use the command line at the same time as VIM | 08:34 |
| mjg59 | elmo: You want a .sys file, and you want to run fwcutter on it | 08:40 |
| elmo | mjg59: yeah, I just picked the latest one, I'm still getting invalid AP tho, oh well | 08:42 |
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| elmo | (after setting rate to 11M and ap to any, I mean) | 08:43 |
| mjg59 | elmo: What's in dmesg? | 08:44 |
| mjg59 | And which kernel are you running? | 08:44 |
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| Yagisan | G'day all, who do I need to badger about CJK support not working "out-of-the-box" on dapper, even with language-packs installed | 08:56 |
| sivang | bah, switched to fglrx now I have an annoying thin line that follows the mouse curose hovering the desktop | 09:01 |
| sivang | mjg59: is that known or expected? I have FireGL V3200 128MB | 09:02 |
| mjg59 | sivang: I don't touch fglrx | 09:04 |
| sivang | mjg59: bummer, it seemed to be working fine on x300 that I returned.. | 09:05 |
| bddebian | Gad I hate looking at configure files :-( | 09:05 |
| sivang | funny, IBM also put a Broadcom wried ethernet (Gigabit) on this particular setup. | 09:06 |
| sivang | (but thank god the WiFi is intel) | 09:07 |
| sivang | mjg59: is there nothing we can do to try and have some of at least the failing code? under some strict code-sharing agreemnet? don't they want linux to be supported on their cards? :) | 09:08 |
| mdke_ | Yagisan, I'd say the bug tracker | 09:08 |
| mjg59 | sivang: Since this would involve me never being able to touch free code again, I'm not keen... | 09:09 |
| Yagisan | mdke_: it's already full of "unconfirmed" entries about the same thing (I've been browsing it since I posted here) | 09:09 |
| mdke_ | Yagisan, ok, so if you have the same bug, you can post and confirm the bug | 09:10 |
| sivang | mjg59: they can't impose restrictions like that! Can they ? | 09:13 |
| mjg59 | sivang: I'd have to prove that I never used any of their intellectual property in other code | 09:19 |
| mjg59 | That's a difficult thing to prove | 09:19 |
| mdke_ | mjg59, they'd have to prove you did, I would have thought | 09:19 |
| sivang | yes, you're usually unguilty until proven otherwise :) | 09:20 |
| mjg59 | mdke_: Civil case, so balance of probabilities applies | 09:20 |
| mdke | mjg59, yes. But the burden would be on them | 09:20 |
| mjg59 | And they'd have rather more money to throw at it | 09:20 |
| sivang | mjg59: in any event, the FOSS driver only gives us 2D acceleration right? | 09:20 |
| mjg59 | sivang: No, it supports 3D on pretty much everything | 09:20 |
| sivang | mjg59: ah, so there is no apparent reason to use fglrx over the foss one? | 09:21 |
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| mjg59 | sivang: It'll be faster, but. | 09:21 |
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| mdke_ | fonts in dapper suddenly look rather rubbish since upgrading today :-( | 11:38 |
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