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| poningru | mdke: dude which laptop do you have? | 01:51 |
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| poningru | presario 2100? | 01:52 |
| poningru | which one exactly though? | 01:52 |
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| Burgundavia | salut all | 02:36 |
| LaserJock | hi Burgundavia | 02:37 |
| Madpilot | hi Burgundavia | 02:41 |
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| LaserJock | hi bustacap | 02:54 |
| Burgundavia | hmm, interesting thread on the wiki | 02:54 |
| bustacap | gday LJ | 02:55 |
| LaserJock | Burgundavia: how so? | 02:57 |
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| Burgundavia | LaserJock: lots of good ideas | 03:00 |
| LaserJock | Burgundavia: do you think better use of Categories on a help.ubuntu.com wiki would be helpful? | 03:08 |
| LaserJock | like a category for each major area of documentation? | 03:08 |
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| Madpilot | LaserJock, I was thinking about that too - not quite sure how to structure it, though | 03:10 |
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| crimsun | LaserJock: you guys are in string freeze, correct? What will you do about changes to the packaging guide that potentially rearrange sentences to eliminate awkwardness and/or correct grammatical mistakes? | 03:14 |
| poningru | I thought minor changes didnt fall under string freeze, just like minor bugfixes for software | 03:15 |
| poningru | but /me is not part of the doc team | 03:15 |
| crimsun | well, these potentially (definitely in most of the cases I see) affect strings. | 03:15 |
| LaserJock | crimsun: well, I'm going to do small changes. The pot files haven't been uploaded yet | 03:16 |
| crimsun | ok, good. I'm looking at it now. | 03:16 |
| LaserJock | crimsun: if you email me a list of changes I'll do what I can, ok? | 03:16 |
| crimsun | sorry I haven't been able to look earlier; ALSA work has been really ...forceful... lately. | 03:16 |
| crimsun | is "website" standardized in the documentation? The last place I worked used "Web site". | 03:21 |
| Burgundavia | LaserJock: yes, but sadly we cannot use better categories, due to having non-docs there | 03:21 |
| Madpilot | afaik it's one word in all our stuff, crimsun | 03:21 |
| crimsun | ok, consistency it is. | 03:21 |
| LaserJock | Burgundavia: that is why I was saying in combination with BetterWikiDocs | 03:22 |
| Burgundavia | LaserJock: once we migrate to our own wiki, then yes | 03:23 |
| Madpilot | in combination with actually, finally moving the docs to help.u.c, you mean? | 03:23 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 03:23 |
| LaserJock | yes, that is what I was trying to say | 03:23 |
| Burgundavia | ah | 03:23 |
| Burgundavia | sorry, am currently cooking now | 03:23 |
| LaserJock | np | 03:24 |
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| robotgeek | Burgundavia: blue is good :P | 03:42 |
| crimsun | LaserJock: do you prefer packaging guide diffs sent to you or to the list? | 03:49 |
| crimsun | (apologies if you've already answered, different proxy, multitasking, yadda yadda) | 03:49 |
| LaserJock | crimsun: me is fine | 03:49 |
| Burgundavia | robotgeek: blue is a not an Ubuntu colour | 03:49 |
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| robotgeek | Burgundavia: heh, we see what we want. muhahaha | 03:50 |
| crimsun | LaserJock: patch 1 of ? sent. | 03:53 |
| LaserJock | crimsun: k, thanks | 03:53 |
| LaserJock | crimsun: wow, through. You must teach ;-) | 03:55 |
| crimsun | I actually missed a place: It should read "files are installed to the right places." | 03:55 |
| LaserJock | crimsun: k | 03:57 |
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| Burgundavia | anybody awake? | 04:55 |
| Madpilot | hmm? | 04:55 |
| Burgundavia | can you take a peek at /Website/Desktop? | 04:56 |
| Burgundavia | I want to do the screenshots tonight and then move it to the website | 04:56 |
| LaserJock | I'm awake and getting close to panic mode | 04:56 |
| Burgundavia | LaserJock: why so? | 04:56 |
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| Madpilot | Burgundavia, that Firefox screenshot that someone else put in there is not done w/ the stock desktop theme - you'll need to re-take it | 04:58 |
| Burgundavia | I realize that | 04:58 |
| LaserJock | Burgundavia: umm, something came up and I need to do some real tweaking on a section in the Packaging Guide | 04:58 |
| Burgundavia | ah | 04:58 |
| Burgundavia | the packaging guide is not critical, so it can release a bit later | 04:59 |
| Madpilot | in the OOo section, does Base really need it's own line? I'd just add, "and databases with Base" to the first line there | 04:59 |
| Burgundavia | Madpilot: make edits as you see fit | 04:59 |
| Madpilot | done, just a small edit | 05:03 |
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| LaserJock | hi mpt | 06:00 |
| mpt | hello LaserJock | 06:00 |
| LaserJock | thanks for the email about Dive into Python. I had kinda forgotten about it | 06:04 |
| LaserJock | I used it a fair amount when I started learning Python | 06:05 |
| LaserJock | mpt: do you think the second part of my idea (community cookbook) was plausible? | 06:06 |
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| mpt_ | LaserJock_away, let us share in commiserations that the second parts of our respective e-mail messages weren't noticed :-) | 09:08 |
| mpt_ | LaserJock_away, it looks very much like you're describing http://www.python.org/doc/ | 09:12 |
| mpt_ | particularly http://www.python.org/doc/topics/ | 09:13 |
| Burgundavia | mpt_: what was the second part of your email? | 09:15 |
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| mpt__ | Burgundavia, the three things I'd love to see, and the three things I'd be disappointed to see, in Dapper+1 | 10:20 |
| Burgundavia | mpt__: ah | 10:23 |
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| mdke_ | mpt__, I don't think that wasn't noticed | 12:08 |
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| mdke_ | i read it, anyhow | 12:14 |
| keith | Morning ! | 12:16 |
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| theCore | mdke: ping | 07:55 |
| mdke | theCore, pong | 07:56 |
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| mdke | theCore, pong | 08:15 |
| theCore | mdke: sorry, I been disconnected | 08:16 |
| mdke | np | 08:16 |
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| theCore | so? | 08:16 |
| mdke | theCore, I haven't seen your question yet | 08:16 |
| theCore | hmm | 08:17 |
| theCore | <theCore> mdke: what do you think about adding a CodingStyle for DocBook to the Style Guide? | 08:17 |
| theCore | <theCore> mdke: I really want to clean those files for Dapper+1 | 08:17 |
| mdke | I'm not too bothered by that, to be honest. | 08:17 |
| mdke | in fact I think it might cause inconvenience, not sure | 08:18 |
| mdke | but we should definitely talk about it as a team | 08:19 |
| theCore | well, keeping the files like would cause inconviences too | 08:20 |
| theCore | it just a distraction | 08:21 |
| mdke | yeah, well, I'm not against the idea | 08:22 |
| mdke | personally, I always use the tab button to make a tree of tags | 08:23 |
| mdke | and don't bother breaking lines within paragraphs | 08:23 |
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| theCore | this could bother peoples doesn't use line wrapping in their editor | 08:25 |
| mdke | it could do, but I just assume they will get over it, and concentrate on writing | 08:25 |
| mdke | anyway, everyone should use gedit ;) | 08:25 |
| theCore | :) | 08:26 |
| theCore | we can't force peoples to use a certain editor, it would be even more bothering | 08:27 |
| dsas | we could have a fun 'debate' about the worthiness of said editors though | 08:27 |
| mdke | it's no contest, gedit is the best | 08:27 |
| dsas | vim > * tbh, everyone should know vim. It's the universal editor. | 08:28 |
| theCore | M-x praise-emacs | 08:28 |
| mdke | vim is just silly | 08:29 |
| mdke | what's going on with having to press a button before you can type | 08:29 |
| mdke | *shakes head* | 08:29 |
| theCore | so you can use hjkl for navigation | 08:30 |
| dsas | How many times do you edit an existing document versus writing a complete new one? Having command mode be the default means you can quickly get to the bit you want to edit. | 08:31 |
| mdke | theCore, i have arrow keys for navigation | 08:31 |
| mdke | and pgup/down | 08:31 |
| dsas | mdke: arrow keys are slooow | 08:32 |
| mdke | pgup/down | 08:32 |
| dsas | pgup/pgdn are also slow, you have to move your fingers away from the home row | 08:33 |
| mdke | pah | 08:34 |
| theCore | it's all about efficiency, which includes economy of motion | 08:36 |
| dsas | tbh I use gedit at home for most tasks, editing config files and docbook is vims job though. | 08:36 |
| theCore | less you move, faster you edit | 08:36 |
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| mdke | theCore, i like to give my fingers a work out :) | 08:38 |
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| theCore | mdke: did you ever tried to write a plugin for gedit? | 08:48 |
| mdke_ | theCore, nope | 08:50 |
| mdke_ | it can be made even better? | 08:50 |
| mdke_ | surely not | 08:50 |
| theCore | mdke_: to write one, you must know to use GObject from C, not an easy thing | 08:58 |
| theCore | mdke_: with vi or emacs, writing one is trivial | 09:01 |
| theCore | ok, I think that I done enough editor advocacy today ;) | 09:04 |
| mdke_ | heh | 09:07 |
| mdke_ | gedit doesn't need plugins, it's too good | 09:07 |
| theCore | well, it could be better with an SVN plugin | 09:10 |
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| theCore | you could make Gedit read your mail too ;P | 09:12 |
| mdke_ | and make my dinner | 09:12 |
| theCore | you could make Gedit publish your recipes to the rest of the world | 09:14 |
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| theCore | I think I'm corrupted by the `Emacs does everything' philosophy | 09:16 |
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| dsas | theCore: You can write gedit plugins in python too | 09:25 |
| theCore | dsas: you still have to deal with GObject | 09:26 |
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| mach | hi, I'd like to know if is it possible to translate the WIP documentation projects through Rosetta? | 09:34 |
| dsas | mach: the dapper docs to be translated are here: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/ubuntu-docs/+translations | 09:47 |
| mach | dsas, hey, thank you very much | 09:48 |
| dsas | Splitting hairs probably, but shouldn't our docs to be translated be translated as an upstream project, rather than just as the Dapper thing? | 09:51 |
| dsas | I may just be going through my usual launchpad confusion. | 09:51 |
| mdke | there are some things to be cleared up there, so we haven't announced translation yet | 09:54 |
| dsas | Oh, sorry. What have we got left to do? | 09:55 |
| mdke | we need to remove a few templates from rosetta | 09:56 |
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| LaserJock | theCore: heh, you still trying to get everybody to use emacs? ;-) | 11:52 |
| theCore | LaserJock: lol | 11:55 |
| LaserJock | the only thing that I'd really be worried about is tabs vs. spaces | 11:57 |
| LaserJock | anybody know what gedit does with tabs by default? | 11:57 |
| LaserJock | the main reason I don't use gedit is I'm usually writing over ssh or on OSX | 12:00 |
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