=== jenda [n=jenda@unaffiliated/jenda] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Madpilot [n=brian@S0106000d88b9f3db.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lakin [n=lakin@S01060013101832ce.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lakin [n=lakin@S01060013101832ce.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:51] mdke: dude which laptop do you have? [01:52] presario 2100? [01:52] which one exactly though? === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:36] salut all [02:37] hi Burgundavia [02:41] hi Burgundavia === keith [n=Kevin@keithsudbury.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke_ [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bustacap [n=bustacap@ubuntu/member/bustacap] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:54] hi bustacap [02:54] hmm, interesting thread on the wiki [02:55] gday LJ [02:57] Burgundavia: how so? === mpt_ [n=mpt@219-89-150-2.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:00] LaserJock: lots of good ideas [03:08] Burgundavia: do you think better use of Categories on a help.ubuntu.com wiki would be helpful? [03:08] like a category for each major area of documentation? === brk3nc0nstra1nt5 [n=demonix@c-68-53-109-129.hsd1.ky.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === brk3nc0nstra1nt5 [n=demonix@c-68-53-109-129.hsd1.ky.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-doc [] [03:10] LaserJock, I was thinking about that too - not quite sure how to structure it, though === manicka [n=manicka@ubuntu/member/manicka] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:14] LaserJock: you guys are in string freeze, correct? What will you do about changes to the packaging guide that potentially rearrange sentences to eliminate awkwardness and/or correct grammatical mistakes? [03:15] I thought minor changes didnt fall under string freeze, just like minor bugfixes for software [03:15] but /me is not part of the doc team [03:15] well, these potentially (definitely in most of the cases I see) affect strings. [03:16] crimsun: well, I'm going to do small changes. The pot files haven't been uploaded yet [03:16] ok, good. I'm looking at it now. [03:16] crimsun: if you email me a list of changes I'll do what I can, ok? [03:16] sorry I haven't been able to look earlier; ALSA work has been really ...forceful... lately. [03:21] is "website" standardized in the documentation? The last place I worked used "Web site". [03:21] LaserJock: yes, but sadly we cannot use better categories, due to having non-docs there [03:21] afaik it's one word in all our stuff, crimsun [03:21] ok, consistency it is. [03:22] Burgundavia: that is why I was saying in combination with BetterWikiDocs [03:23] LaserJock: once we migrate to our own wiki, then yes [03:23] in combination with actually, finally moving the docs to help.u.c, you mean? [03:23] yes [03:23] yes, that is what I was trying to say [03:23] ah [03:23] sorry, am currently cooking now [03:24] np === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robotgeek goes to look at BetterWikiDocs [03:42] Burgundavia: blue is good :P [03:49] LaserJock: do you prefer packaging guide diffs sent to you or to the list? [03:49] (apologies if you've already answered, different proxy, multitasking, yadda yadda) [03:49] crimsun: me is fine [03:49] robotgeek: blue is a not an Ubuntu colour === mpt__ [n=mpt@219-89-150-2.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:50] Burgundavia: heh, we see what we want. muhahaha [03:53] LaserJock: patch 1 of ? sent. [03:53] crimsun: k, thanks [03:55] crimsun: wow, through. You must teach ;-) [03:55] I actually missed a place: It should read "files are installed to the right places." [03:57] crimsun: k === corey_ [n=corey@S0106000fb085cc63.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:55] anybody awake? [04:55] hmm? [04:56] can you take a peek at /Website/Desktop? [04:56] I want to do the screenshots tonight and then move it to the website [04:56] I'm awake and getting close to panic mode [04:56] LaserJock: why so? === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-148-229.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:58] Burgundavia, that Firefox screenshot that someone else put in there is not done w/ the stock desktop theme - you'll need to re-take it [04:58] I realize that [04:58] Burgundavia: umm, something came up and I need to do some real tweaking on a section in the Packaging Guide [04:58] ah [04:59] the packaging guide is not critical, so it can release a bit later [04:59] in the OOo section, does Base really need it's own line? I'd just add, "and databases with Base" to the first line there [04:59] Madpilot: make edits as you see fit [05:03] done, just a small edit === KingBahamut [n=bahamut@c-24-98-229-28.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt_ [n=mpt@219-89-149-115.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt_ [n=mpt@219-89-149-115.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === KingBahamut [n=bahamut@c-24-98-229-28.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke_ [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc === keith [n=Kevin@keithsudbury.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Madpilot [n=brian@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jenda [n=jenda@unaffiliated/jenda] has joined #ubuntu-doc === frank23 [n=frank@modemcable135.248-130-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === carthik_away [n=carthik@user-0cej755.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robotgeek [i=venkat@ubuntu/member/robotgeek] has joined #ubuntu-doc === boglot [i=chaas@haas.workdsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-doc === crimsun [i=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-55-122.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === trappist [i=trappist@tra.ppi.st] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:00] hi mpt [06:00] hello LaserJock [06:04] thanks for the email about Dive into Python. I had kinda forgotten about it [06:05] I used it a fair amount when I started learning Python [06:06] mpt: do you think the second part of my idea (community cookbook) was plausible? === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.212.51] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt_ [n=mpt@222-154-152-143.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc === carthik [n=carthik@unaffiliated/carthik] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt_ [n=mpt@219-89-129-51.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:08] LaserJock_away, let us share in commiserations that the second parts of our respective e-mail messages weren't noticed :-) [09:12] LaserJock_away, it looks very much like you're describing http://www.python.org/doc/ [09:13] particularly http://www.python.org/doc/topics/ [09:15] mpt_: what was the second part of your email? === dsas [n=dean@host86-129-16-21.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt__ [n=mpt@219-89-128-62.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:20] Burgundavia, the three things I'd love to see, and the three things I'd be disappointed to see, in Dapper+1 [10:23] mpt__: ah === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:08] mpt__, I don't think that wasn't noticed === keith [n=Kevin@keithsudbury.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:14] i read it, anyhow [12:16] Morning ! === mdke [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke_ [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kamping_Kaiser [n=kgoetz@ppp140-84.lns2.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.212.51] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jd_ [n=jd@wikipedia/Meanos] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.212.167] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jenda [n=jenda@unaffiliated/jenda] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Success"] === lloydinho [n=andreas@rosinante.egmont-kol.dk] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kyral [n=kyral@HyperDream.hamlin.clarkson.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jd_ [n=jd@wikipedia/Meanos] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dsas [n=dean@host86-129-16-21.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke__ [n=matt@81-178-246-0.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jd_ [n=jd@wikipedia/Meanos] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke___ [n=matt@81-178-195-114.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === hyperactivecrond [n=chris@adsl-69-212-159-251.dsl.bcvloh.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === theCore [n=alex@toronto-HSE-ppp4207834.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:55] mdke: ping [07:56] theCore, pong === theCore [n=alex@toronto-HSE-ppp4207834.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:15] theCore, pong [08:16] mdke: sorry, I been disconnected [08:16] np === jd_ [n=jd@wikipedia/Meanos] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:16] so? [08:16] theCore, I haven't seen your question yet [08:17] hmm [08:17] mdke: what do you think about adding a CodingStyle for DocBook to the Style Guide? [08:17] mdke: I really want to clean those files for Dapper+1 [08:17] I'm not too bothered by that, to be honest. [08:18] in fact I think it might cause inconvenience, not sure [08:19] but we should definitely talk about it as a team [08:20] well, keeping the files like would cause inconviences too [08:21] it just a distraction [08:22] yeah, well, I'm not against the idea [08:23] personally, I always use the tab button to make a tree of tags [08:23] and don't bother breaking lines within paragraphs === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@195-23-238-184.nr.ip.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:25] this could bother peoples doesn't use line wrapping in their editor [08:25] it could do, but I just assume they will get over it, and concentrate on writing [08:25] anyway, everyone should use gedit ;) [08:26] :) [08:27] we can't force peoples to use a certain editor, it would be even more bothering [08:27] we could have a fun 'debate' about the worthiness of said editors though [08:27] it's no contest, gedit is the best [08:28] vim > * tbh, everyone should know vim. It's the universal editor. [08:28] M-x praise-emacs [08:29] vim is just silly [08:29] what's going on with having to press a button before you can type [08:29] *shakes head* [08:30] so you can use hjkl for navigation [08:31] How many times do you edit an existing document versus writing a complete new one? Having command mode be the default means you can quickly get to the bit you want to edit. [08:31] theCore, i have arrow keys for navigation [08:31] and pgup/down [08:32] mdke: arrow keys are slooow [08:32] pgup/down [08:33] pgup/pgdn are also slow, you have to move your fingers away from the home row [08:34] pah [08:36] it's all about efficiency, which includes economy of motion [08:36] tbh I use gedit at home for most tasks, editing config files and docbook is vims job though. [08:36] less you move, faster you edit === jenda [n=jenda@unaffiliated/jenda] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:38] theCore, i like to give my fingers a work out :) === Cturtle [n=Cturtle@a213-84-50-38.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Cturtle [n=Cturtle@a213-84-50-38.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke_ [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:48] mdke: did you ever tried to write a plugin for gedit? [08:50] theCore, nope [08:50] it can be made even better? [08:50] surely not [08:58] mdke_: to write one, you must know to use GObject from C, not an easy thing [09:01] mdke_: with vi or emacs, writing one is trivial [09:04] ok, I think that I done enough editor advocacy today ;) [09:07] heh [09:07] gedit doesn't need plugins, it's too good [09:10] well, it could be better with an SVN plugin === mdke_ shakes head stubbornly [09:12] you could make Gedit read your mail too ;P [09:12] and make my dinner [09:14] you could make Gedit publish your recipes to the rest of the world === joachim-n [n=joachim@ACD70DF1.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:16] I think I'm corrupted by the `Emacs does everything' philosophy === mpt_ [n=mpt@219-89-158-19.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:25] theCore: You can write gedit plugins in python too [09:26] dsas: you still have to deal with GObject === mach [n=thiago@20132203222.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:34] hi, I'd like to know if is it possible to translate the WIP documentation projects through Rosetta? [09:47] mach: the dapper docs to be translated are here: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/ubuntu-docs/+translations [09:48] dsas, hey, thank you very much [09:51] Splitting hairs probably, but shouldn't our docs to be translated be translated as an upstream project, rather than just as the Dapper thing? [09:51] I may just be going through my usual launchpad confusion. [09:54] there are some things to be cleared up there, so we haven't announced translation yet [09:55] Oh, sorry. What have we got left to do? [09:56] we need to remove a few templates from rosetta === theCore [n=alex@toronto-HSE-ppp4207834.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke_ [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:52] theCore: heh, you still trying to get everybody to use emacs? ;-) [11:55] LaserJock: lol [11:57] the only thing that I'd really be worried about is tabs vs. spaces [11:57] anybody know what gedit does with tabs by default? [12:00] the main reason I don't use gedit is I'm usually writing over ssh or on OSX === jenda-away [n=jenda@unaffiliated/jenda] has joined #ubuntu-doc