=== marcin` [n=marcin@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Toadstool [n=jcorbier@maisel-gw.enst-bretagne.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:05] g'night [01:15] hmm, anybody actually use any irssi scripts? === havoc does [01:17] the ops for #ubuntu and #kubuntu tend to [01:18] makes sense, I just can't figure out what a lot of them do. I wonder if any are really useful. I'm such an IRC newb [01:18] some are, most aren't === Meyer [i=mariomey@ubuntu/member/mariomeyer] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:19] the nick color and tab completion ones are prolly the most useful [01:20] then there's custom scipts, like my SmckDown [01:20] give it a nick mask and it does an iptables DROP on the IP [01:20] on all new connects [01:21] are there any scripts that help with finding away status of users [01:21] that is the only thing I really like about Xchat [01:22] shouldn't need a script for that [01:23] right now I use /names and /whois a lot [01:23] but that is a bit clunky [01:25] but maybe I just have bad IRC practices since it doesn't seem to bother other people === havoc ignores most of those notices [01:27] so how do you tell if someone is awake or not? just ping them? [01:28] /whois nick nick [01:29] read the idle field [01:30] hmm, maybe it's just me then [01:32] usually just talk to them, of they answer, they're awake [01:33] s/of/if/ === lakin [n=lakin@S01060013101832ce.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:35] so, just how much pain can I expect if I install dapper on my workstation right now? === havoc will blame chillywilly no matter what === mx123 [n=mx123@host4-30.pool877.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:37] havoc: well, for me dapper has been better than Breezy for months [01:37] who know Against DRM 1.0? [01:38] I'd think that during any form of freeze that it would be decent === lakin [n=lakin@S01060013101832ce.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mx123 [n=mx123@host4-30.pool877.interbusiness.it] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Sto] [01:45] havoc: the only problem I have right now with Dapper is on my crappy DSL the daily dist-upgrade takes a while ;-) [01:45] heh, that's not really a prblem with *dapper* now is it? ;) [01:46] ack, I gotta go, bbl [01:55] LaserJock: Ah, OK, thx [01:55] np [01:56] Told ya I was "out of the loop" :-) [01:56] so was I until dholbach told me like yesterday [01:57] :-) === Le_Vert [n=Le_Vert_@le-vert.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:58] oh goodie, bddebian is back. /me reassigns more bugs to him. [01:58] Bah, All I do is .desktop files :-) [01:59] bddebian: hehe, check out https://launchpad.net/people/motuscience/+assignedbugs [02:00] Yikes [02:00] yeah, I gotta get cracking [02:01] Maybe I can knock out some of them if you'd like [02:01] and after your done with those you can weed through https://launchpad.net/people/motuscience/+packagebugs [02:01] ;p [02:03] Bah, I'll have that done by Sunday.. ;-P [02:03] heh, but I've got to do them so I can close the Karma gap [02:03] I did hit 5000 though yesterday [02:04] w00t [02:06] but I noticed that Mark has got way more karma than me. I don't think I have a chance of closing that Karma gap ;-) === Le_Vert [n=Le_Vert_@le-vert.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] [02:09] Mark? As in sabdfl? [02:11] bddebian: yeah, he's got 180000+ [02:11] eeeks [02:15] I can't imagine why, I wonder if he gets dictator points [02:19] what's seb up to? [02:21] lots of bug fixing I think [02:23] epiphany most definitely is NOT using gconfaudiosink [02:25] Bah, I fix the desktop icon for qgo but it segfaults.. === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu === seth|lappy [n=seth@ubuntu/member/seth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu === slomo__ [n=slomo@p5486D0E9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:18] Hello carthik [03:18] hi bddebian :) === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:37] crimsun: have you ever used schroot and sbuild? [03:38] yay, got cross-compiling for win32 working again. I am happy :D [03:39] Ugh [03:41] LaserJock: yes === Unfrgiven [n=ankur@202.76.176.94] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.36] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:43] crimsun: does it seem better than pbuilder? [03:43] LaserJock: "better" is in the eyes of the beholder. [03:44] crimsun: in your eyes? [03:44] I prefer pbuilder [03:44] try it, decide for yourself :) [03:49] yeah, siretart was recommending it (he made a sbuild+LVM howto on the wiki) [03:49] I just wondered what other MOTUs though about it [03:53] Ugh, gotta head to the airport, later folks :-( [03:53] cya bddebian [03:56] crimsun: LaserJock: what is this alternative to pbuilder u guys are talking about? [03:56] cya bddebian [03:57] LaserJock: sbuild is particularly useful if you also have packages in Debian, since it's used there. [03:58] ah === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:58] I'm finding as people go through the packaging guide that setting up pbuilder seems to be a difficult spot [03:59] I'm not sure if I'm just not covering it in enough detail or it is really just tough [03:59] LaserJock: really? is settting up sbuild any easier? [03:59] I'm sure I'll have comments when I get to that section. [03:59] Unfrgiven: that is what I'd like to know [03:59] does ubuntu use sbuild to build packages? [03:59] when we upload a source package, who/what builds the binary? [03:59] isn't it buildd [04:00] isnt that just the daemon that schedules the building? [04:00] oh, that could be [04:01] yes, Ubuntu uses sbuild, too [04:01] http://www.debonaras.org/wiki/HowTo/SetUpBuildd [04:02] the thing im not getting about sbuild, is does it install all the build deps and then later uninstall them? [04:02] yes, precisely like pbuilder. However, the order it chooses alternates for build deps differs from pbuilder. [04:03] pbuilder chooses the first; sbuild chooses the last. [04:03] Unfrgiven: No, sbuild just installs anything that isn't already there, and then leaves it around when it's done, for efficiency's sake. [04:03] really? [04:03] color me a newb. [04:03] if thats the case sbuild is not a good idea for building packages for a newbie [04:04] the great thing about pbuilder is its such a minimalist environment. it almost always catches any missing build-deps! [04:04] Hell no. sbuild is there to turn a lot of source into binaries as quickly as possible. [04:04] Yes, pbuilder is great for catching build deps. [04:04] You do not want your autobuilder catching all of your developer's fuckups, though [04:05] the wiki howto is: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SbuildLVMHowto [04:06] well, I just wish pbuilder was a bit easier to configure, especially when you want multiple pbuilders [04:07] LaserJock: maybe we should write a script/tool to do it? [04:07] LaserJock: How would you make it easier? pbuilder create --basetgz ... pbuilder build --basetgz [04:07] ah, I see (looking at a buildd log). It only installs what already isn't in the chroot, so it only uninstalls what it installed, but everything's cached. [04:08] crimsun: And if something breaks in it's postinst, you're stuffed. [04:12] womble: well people seem to get caught up with setting the sources.list [04:13] often people set the distro to dapper but use breezy in the sources.list [04:13] another one was it fails if the cdrom lines are still in the sources.list [04:13] LaserJock: WTF? pbuilder creates it's own sources.list for the chroot out of the value for --mirror and --distribution === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:15] hmm, maybe we should take that part out then [04:15] hello [04:16] womble: http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/gs-pbuilder.html is what I have now [04:17] the reason it has its own sources.list is because people may want to write packages for dapper while themselves running a stable breezy environment. [04:17] Unfrgiven: but wouldn't that be taken care of with --mirror and --othermirror if what womble is saying is correct? [04:17] Unfrgiven: Naturally. Just like I've got about 8 different chroots for the different build environments I need for testing. [04:18] LaserJock: quite possibly. I've never used the --mirror and --othermirror options myself so I couldn't tell you. [04:18] womble: so how do you set that up? [04:19] Wow, you use /etc/pbuilderrc. How... quaint. I've never touched it in my life. [04:19] does --mirror and --othermirror add deb and deb-src for both? [04:19] lol [04:19] Why would you use deb-src in a pbuilder chroot? [04:19] uggh sorry im getting confused with my chroot setup [04:19] you're right. [04:19] so you're saying that a pbuilder setup is a one-liner? [04:19] Unfrgiven: but --mirror and --othermirror are set in /etc/pbuilderrc [04:20] so it is redundent maybe [04:20] LaserJock: correct and yeah it seems redundant. [04:21] womble: so how do you handle multiple pbuilders? [04:21] From memory, I create a new chroot with "pbuilder create --basetgz /var/lib/chroots/.tgz --mirror http://127.0.0.1:9999/ubuntu --distribution dapper" [04:21] LaserJock: I have a script called 'buildin' which works out which in /var/lib/chroots to use for the --basetgz option [04:21] womble: Buildmaster, of course, is even more intelligent, but it's also largely on crack. [04:22] womble: talking to urself now?!?! [04:22] womble: whats Buildmaster? [04:22] Unfrgiven: My multi-architecture-on-one-box buildd I use for work. [04:23] womble: now that sounds neat! [04:23] hmm, I guess that is what I mean about making pbuilder a bit more intuitive to use for new people [04:23] It's /var/lib/chroots currently contains i386_hoary.tgz, i386_breezy.tgz, amd64_hoary.tgz, and amd64_breezy.tgz. It will shortly contain dapper versions, too. [04:24] I've got multiple pbuilderrcs and apt.config directories [04:24] womble: in that command, how do you specify universe & multiverse in the sources? [04:24] in ~/ [04:24] Unfrgiven: I think you would set --othermirror perhaps [04:25] im just going to test this out now [04:25] Unfrgiven: --othermirror "deb http://127.0.0.1:9999/ubuntu dapper universe multiverse|deb http://127.0.0.1:9999/ubuntu dapper-updates universe multiverse" [04:28] hmm, so I wonder what I should do with the guide [04:28] aight, here goes [04:29] LaserJock: im just trying out the one liner. if it works as expected then lets update the document accordingly [04:29] There a better way then popening gksu to make a python utility that needs root access? [04:29] LaserJock: a one-liner will be easy enough for users [04:30] womble: ok, so do you have to give --mirror etc with each pbuilder build or update or only for create? [04:31] Hell of a lot easier than editing pbuilderrc every time you want to change something. And you should be pointing them at .pbuilderrc for most stuff, anyway -- about the only setting for /etc/pbuilderrc is the mirror (which should be system wide, and point at your local apt-proxy instance) [04:31] LaserJock: Hell no. pbuilder has this great new concept called sources.lists. [04:31] AAAAAARGH === womble hates it when his sarcasm is broken [04:31] sources.list [04:33] is .pbuilderrc much use? pbuilder needs to be run as root. so the user will need to use /root/.pbuilderrc in which case they may as well use /etc/pbuilderrc [04:33] no [04:33] Unfrgiven: It uses $HOME/.pbuilderrc [04:33] Although sudo has some strange ideas about $HOME these days, for some bong-ass reason [04:33] yeah i realised after i hit enter... sudo preserves $HOME [04:34] is there a way to make make-kpkg not rebuild the tree before building the .debs? [04:35] womble: what do you mean about mirror should point at your local apt-proxy instance? [04:35] womble: sorry for the seemingly bonehead questions [04:36] LaserJock: I mean that everybody should have a local apt-proxy instead of hammering the snot out of the main mirrors. [04:36] i was thinking that we should have an apt-proxy setup in the appendix [04:36] apt-proxy FTW! [04:36] help === LaserJock goes to look up apt-proxy [04:36] :( [04:37] LaserJock: For instance, I've got apt-proxy on my laptop, and it's shared by the laptop itself, for all of the pbuilder chroots, and for the UMLs. [04:37] jmg: sorry dude, im not sure the answer to your question. [04:37] It must save me GBs of traffic a month, easily. [04:38] womble: the command didn't work! Command: sudo pbuilder create --basetgz testing.tgz --mirror http://ankur.ath.cx:9999/ubuntu --distribution dapper --othermirror "deb http://ankur.ath.cx:9999/ubuntu main restricted universe multiverse" [04:38] Failed to fetch http://ankur.ath.cx:9999/ubuntu/dists/main/restricted/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found [04:38] Failed to fetch http://ankur.ath.cx:9999/ubuntu/dists/main/universe/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found [04:39] Failed to fetch http://ankur.ath.cx:9999/ubuntu/dists/main/multiverse/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found [04:39] odd... [04:39] --othermirror "deb http://ankur.ath.cx:9999/ubuntu dapper universe multiverse" FFS [04:39] I don't think Ubuntu is ever going to release "Main Marmot" [04:40] ?!?! [04:40] womble: maybe, you never know ;-) [04:40] Unfrgiven: The first argument after the URL is the name of the distribution you want to use, not a component [04:41] err of course! [04:41] stupid me [04:41] it was a typo [04:41] and while im at it, whats a marmot? [04:41] ok, so the default pbuilder install for dapper has mirror set right for Ubuntu [04:41] You manually typed in the error message pbuilder gave you? [04:42] so really all we need to do is set --othermirror [04:42] womble: no, the typo was in my command. i omitted dapper. trying it again with the right values [04:42] Unfrgiven: Like most questions, that is best answered by Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marmot [04:43] :) [04:43] ok, so we can do this: [04:44] 1) get proper debootstrap [04:44] 2) install pbuilder [04:44] 3) pbuilder create -distribution --othermirror [04:44] 4) pbuilder build *.dsc [04:44] sudo pbuilder I should say [04:46] Replace 4) with buildin: [04:47] #!/bin/sh -e [04:47] dist="$1"; shift [04:47] dsc="$1"; shift [04:47] echo "Dist: $dist" [04:47] echo "Dsc: $dsc" [04:47] echo "Extras:" "$@" [04:47] BASEFILE=$(basename "$dsc" .dsc) [04:47] BASEDIR=$(dirname "$dsc") [04:47] if [ -z "$RESULTDIR" ] ; then [04:47] RESULTDIR=$(readlink -f $BASEDIR) [04:47] fi [04:47] echo "Placing build results in $RESULTDIR" [04:47] sudo pbuilder build \ [04:47] --basetgz "/chroots/p${dist}.tgz" \ [04:47] --buildresult "${RESULTDIR}/" --debbuildopts '-i' "$@" "$dsc" 2>&1 \ [04:47] | tee ${RESULTDIR}/${BASEFILE}-`date '+%Y%m%d%H%M'`.log [04:47] CHANGES="${RESULTDIR}/${BASEFILE}_i386.changes" [04:47] #lintian $CHANGES || true [04:48] pastebin [04:48] one word :) [04:49] hey LaserJock old buddy :) [04:49] hi JohnnyMast [04:49] :D [04:49] how are you doing ? [04:49] womble: buildin assumes that your chroots are in /chroots [04:49] umm, well I'll be better when this thing is done [04:50] Unfrgiven: Symlinks are wonderful things. As are text editors, and shell and environment variables. [04:50] whats wrong then buddy ? [04:50] womble: :) [04:50] well, I need this to be newbie friendly === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:51] whats this <--- then ?? [04:51] but if it used /var/pbuilder instead then it would better [04:51] sorry i wasnt following the convo dear old buddy [04:51] JohnnyMast: http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html [04:51] LaserJock: /var/pbuilder isn't FSB compliant [04:51] hmm pbuilder hu [04:52] womble: well, that is the default === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:52] its /var/cache/pbluider [04:52] LaserJock: What default? [04:52] JohnnyMast: ah thanks. [04:53] womble: /var/cache/pbuilder is the default directory [04:53] but wait let me check [04:53] let me double check for its root [04:53] no wait double checking !! [04:53] i just used locate [04:53] it could have been an apt-crach junky stuff [04:53] JohnnyMast: I did a typo in my pbuilderrc so I have one of mine in /var/pbuilder [04:54] BUILDPLACE=/var/cache/pbuilder/build/ [04:54] there it is [04:54] from pico /etc/pbuilderrc [04:54] :) glad to help you out LaserJock [04:55] that i still remind the motu stuff after all that time greepers :p [04:55] heh [04:56] hows it hanging here ? [04:56] lots of hopefulls ? [04:57] i just recently kicked out 6 ubuntu mailing lists [04:57] it kept on spamming my ass hehe man i had like 488 emails a weekend [05:00] LaserJock, [05:01] do you know godfather the game ? [05:01] nope [05:02] to bad [05:02] do you know the movie ? [05:02] JohnnyMast: you're a gamer? [05:02] more a developer/packer/teacher then a gamer [05:03] but yes i like the game :) [05:03] im very much a gamer and currently despise having to boot into windows to game [05:03] cedega seems VERY slow for Guild Wars :( [05:04] yeah but being not abled to boot into windows isnt a unix quest isnt it [05:05] i seriously only use windows for two things atm. 1) VPN to work. 2) Games [05:05] openvpn works well on unix [05:05] but that besides [05:05] not for Nortel VPNs [05:06] you cant create a dual boot ? [05:06] use a norton boot disk [05:06] and you never will go wrong [05:06] JohnnyMast: I do have a dual boot. but its still a PITA to have to do it [05:07] you pointed it to the wrong partition prob [05:07] thats 99% of the probs [05:07] else forgive me for drinking :) [05:08] im not sober my friend [05:11] aight im heading off for a bit [05:11] cya all [05:12] cya Unfrgiven [05:12] Unfrgiven: try tripple boot :P [05:12] Hobbsee: why stop at 3? [05:12] hard drive space [05:12] a distro takes max 10GB, if you have a 120GB drive you could easily do at least 10 ;-) [05:13] LaserJock: windows tends to take a bit more than that [05:13] and i only have a 40 gb HD [05:13] hhmm I suppose [05:14] I'm used to dual(or more) booting linux distros [05:14] I can usually get away with 5GB/each for most [05:19] crimsun: you still around? [05:19] crimsun: are you going to go through the whole guide? [05:22] yo people [05:23] LaserJock: hi. Yes. [05:23] hi Kyral [05:23] crimsun: ok, very cool. [05:23] crimsun: I guess I'm going to try to redo the pbuilder section [05:24] ok. [05:25] crimsun: do you have an estimate of how long it will take you? [05:25] guys where do i get a login for revu? [05:26] LaserJock: I'm taking a break at the moment, but I'll have the rest of the dir done in 12 hrs. [05:26] crimsun: ok, very cool [05:26] jmg: have uploaded to revu? [05:27] LaserJock: where do i upload to then :) [05:28] jmg: ok, have you sent a signed email to keyring@revu.tauware.de to get your gpg key added? [05:28] LaserJock: no, but i will thanks [05:30] jmg: there are more detailed directions at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU [05:30] LaserJock: Thanks [05:30] np [05:34] gack [05:34] does evolution not support gpg? 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http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup [05:45] afternoon [05:45] hello [05:45] 'afternoon, ajmitch [05:51] hi ajmitch === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:57] hi Hobbsee [05:57] hey ajmitch === Hobbsee is only here for a min or so - going rollerblading! [05:57] heh, fun [05:58] don't break any bones [05:58] yep :) [05:58] i've only ever broken a finger... [05:59] and that was unrelated... === LaserJock broke a middle finger once :/ [06:01] we need all MOTUs on board for the last weeks before release [06:01] hehe [06:01] yes, i broke my middle finger... [06:01] was most embarrasing... [06:02] ouch === Hobbsee isnt a MOTU though, is she? [06:02] doesn't matter [06:02] you still have to help [06:02] right [06:02] true [06:02] well i finished my assignment, so i probably can now... [06:03] great === ajmitch is still working on assignments & various tasks [06:04] I'll be back into it as soon as this Packaging Guide is really finished === ajmitch is going to be very very busy with the cathedral choir this week, with easter :) [06:04] ah, cool [06:05] hehe [06:05] good point === Hobbsee should check if she's doing any tech stuff easter weekend as well... === Hobbsee makes a mental note to actually TAKE HER SKATES today! [06:11] so who wants to help me get xen 3.0.2 into universe? :) [06:11] i have packages built [06:12] what sort of packages? [06:12] dapper source and binary [06:13] referring to source [06:16] i've modified the debian rules so they build 3.0.2 on dapper [06:17] Afternoon? It's freakin' Midnight :-) === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:17] crimsun: uploading to my repo now === JohnnyMast [n=rave@84-104-9-27.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:35] crimsun: http://thoughtcrime.org.nz/~cartel/ubuntu/dapper/xen3.0.2-testing+20060409 [06:36] jmg: sec, busy in support === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.212.51] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:39] source code coming soon === No1Viking [n=Viking@h-83-140-104-3.ip.cust.port80.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:40] jmg: yeah, .debs are pretty usless for us [06:40] probably something that'd have to be sorted out with the kernel team, too [06:40] LaserJock: at the moment it seems to be rolling object code in [06:40] ajmitch: yeah thats my next trick [06:40] ajmitch: im building a prototype kernel using ubuntu rules [06:41] LaserJock: i need to build a source package [06:41] jmg: how are you making the .debs now? [06:41] LaserJock: dpkg-buildpackage [06:41] Ack, I have .desktop on the brain... :-( === LaserJock hugs bddebian, sorry dude [06:42] LaserJock: its rolling object code into the generated .tar.gz at the moment, comes out at 114mb :( [06:42] that's a little broken [06:42] ajmitch: no shit [06:42] ajmitch: clean target horked [06:43] LaserJock: :-) [06:43] jmg: if there's to be any hope for it to get in, it needs to apply cleanly against our patched kernel source [06:43] crimsun: impossible [06:43] crimsun: xen applies to 2.6.16 [06:43] crimsun: meaning it cant get accepted as a kernel for dapper [06:43] jmg: are you aiming for dapper? [06:43] since we're only having 1 set of kernels for dapper, not multiple patchsets or binary packages in universe [06:44] right. [06:44] if it doesn't apply against our kernel source, it's a no-go [06:44] crimsun: however, the packages used to setup your own xen kernel surely are includable? [06:44] sure, they probably are [06:44] as in scripts? Sure [06:44] crimsun: the debs that i uploaded are the supporting packages for xen, and a kernel patch package [06:44] crimsun: Are you a main uploader? [06:45] crimsun: just cleaning up the source tree now [06:46] crimsun then i get to start on etch YAY [06:46] :'( [06:47] how do you use gpg and evolution together? [06:48] bddebian: nope. [06:48] jmg: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto [06:48] LaserJock: thx [06:49] crimsun: you're not? I thought you were.. [06:50] ajmitch: nope [06:50] You should be :-) [06:50] HI [06:51] oops, capslock :) [06:51] Heya chillywilly === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:51] chillywilly: I just thought you were hapy to see us ;-) [06:51] that too [06:51] especially ajmitchie and bddebian ;) [06:52] chillywilly: when are you going to help out with ubuntu? [06:52] ummmm...I was going to make an unreal IRCd package some day... [06:52] sure [06:52] :))) [06:52] Yeah chillywilly, get uploading .desktop files :-) [06:53] .desktop files for what? [06:53] chillywilly: *everything* [06:54] heh [06:55] if I play this right, by the time I can do some more uploads bddebian will have all my .desktop bugs fixed ;-) [06:55] Yep :-) [06:55] LaserJock: I'm expecting that I won't have to do any more uploads for dapper [06:56]