[01:05] <Toadstool> g'night
[01:15] <LaserJock> hmm, anybody actually use any irssi scripts?
[01:17] <crimsun> the ops for #ubuntu and #kubuntu tend to
[01:18] <LaserJock> makes sense, I just can't figure out what a lot of them do. I wonder if any are really useful. I'm such an IRC newb
[01:18] <havoc> some are, most aren't
[01:19] <havoc> the nick color and tab completion ones are prolly the most useful
[01:20] <havoc> then there's custom scipts, like my SmckDown
[01:20] <havoc> give it a nick mask and it does an iptables DROP on the IP
[01:20] <havoc> on all new connects
[01:21] <LaserJock> are there any scripts that help with finding away status of users
[01:21] <LaserJock> that is the only thing I really like about Xchat
[01:22] <havoc> shouldn't need a script for that
[01:23] <LaserJock> right now I use /names  and /whois a lot
[01:23] <LaserJock> but that is a bit clunky
[01:25] <LaserJock> but maybe I just have bad IRC practices since it doesn't seem to bother other people
[01:27] <LaserJock> so how do you tell if someone is awake or not? just ping them?
[01:28] <crimsun> /whois nick nick
[01:29] <crimsun> read the idle field
[01:30] <LaserJock> hmm, maybe it's just me then
[01:32] <havoc> usually just talk to them, of they answer, they're awake
[01:33] <havoc> s/of/if/
[01:35] <havoc> so, just how much pain can I expect if I install dapper on my workstation right now?
[01:37] <LaserJock> havoc: well, for me dapper has been better than Breezy for months
[01:37] <mx123> who know Against DRM 1.0?
[01:38] <havoc> I'd think that during any form of freeze that it would be decent
[01:45] <LaserJock> havoc: the only problem I have right now with Dapper is on my crappy DSL the daily dist-upgrade takes a while ;-)
[01:45] <havoc> heh, that's not really a prblem with *dapper* now is it? ;)
[01:46] <havoc> ack, I gotta go, bbl
[01:55] <bddebian> LaserJock: Ah, OK, thx
[01:55] <LaserJock> np
[01:56] <bddebian> Told ya I was "out of the loop" :-)
[01:56] <LaserJock> so was I until dholbach told me like yesterday
[01:57] <bddebian> :-)
[01:58] <crimsun> oh goodie, bddebian is back. /me reassigns more bugs to him.
[01:58] <bddebian> Bah, All I do is .desktop files :-)
[01:59] <LaserJock> bddebian: hehe, check out https://launchpad.net/people/motuscience/+assignedbugs
[02:00] <bddebian> Yikes
[02:00] <LaserJock> yeah, I gotta get cracking
[02:01] <bddebian> Maybe I can knock out some of them if you'd like
[02:01] <LaserJock> and after your done with those you can weed through https://launchpad.net/people/motuscience/+packagebugs
[02:01] <LaserJock> ;p
[02:03] <bddebian> Bah, I'll have that done by Sunday.. ;-P
[02:03] <LaserJock> heh, but I've got to do them so I can close the Karma gap
[02:03] <LaserJock> I did hit 5000 though yesterday
[02:04] <bddebian> w00t
[02:06] <LaserJock> but I noticed that Mark has got way more karma than me. I don't think I have a chance of closing that Karma gap ;-)
[02:09] <bddebian> Mark?  As in sabdfl?
[02:11] <LaserJock> bddebian: yeah, he's got 180000+
[02:11] <bddebian> eeeks
[02:15] <LaserJock> I can't imagine why,  I wonder if he gets dictator points
[02:19] <crimsun> what's seb up to?
[02:21] <LaserJock> lots of bug fixing I think
[02:23] <crimsun> epiphany most definitely is NOT using gconfaudiosink
[02:25] <bddebian> Bah, I fix the desktop icon for qgo but it segfaults..
[03:18] <bddebian> Hello carthik
[03:18] <carthik> hi bddebian :)
[03:37] <LaserJock> crimsun: have you ever used schroot and sbuild?
[03:38] <dolson> yay, got cross-compiling for win32 working again. I am happy :D
[03:39] <bddebian> Ugh
[03:41] <crimsun> LaserJock: yes
[03:43] <LaserJock> crimsun: does it seem better than pbuilder?
[03:43] <crimsun> LaserJock: "better" is in the eyes of the beholder.
[03:44] <LaserJock> crimsun: in your eyes?
[03:44] <crimsun> I prefer pbuilder
[03:44] <crimsun> try it, decide for yourself :)
[03:49] <LaserJock> yeah, siretart was recommending it (he made a sbuild+LVM howto on the wiki)
[03:49] <LaserJock> I just wondered what other MOTUs though about it
[03:53] <bddebian> Ugh, gotta head to the airport, later folks :-(
[03:53] <LaserJock> cya bddebian
[03:56] <Unfrgiven> crimsun: LaserJock: what is this alternative to pbuilder u guys are talking about?
[03:56] <crimsun> cya bddebian
[03:57] <crimsun> LaserJock: sbuild is particularly useful if you also have packages in Debian, since it's used there.
[03:58] <LaserJock> ah
[03:58] <LaserJock> I'm finding as people go through the packaging guide that setting up pbuilder seems to be a difficult spot
[03:59] <LaserJock> I'm not sure if I'm just not covering it in enough detail or it is really just tough
[03:59] <Unfrgiven> LaserJock: really? is settting up sbuild any easier?
[03:59] <crimsun> I'm sure I'll have comments when I get to that section.
[03:59] <LaserJock> Unfrgiven: that is what I'd like to know
[03:59] <Unfrgiven> does ubuntu use sbuild to build packages?
[03:59] <Unfrgiven> when we upload a source package, who/what builds the binary?
[03:59] <LaserJock> isn't it buildd
[04:00] <Unfrgiven> isnt that just the daemon that schedules the building?
[04:00] <LaserJock> oh, that could be
[04:01] <crimsun> yes, Ubuntu uses sbuild, too
[04:01] <Unfrgiven> http://www.debonaras.org/wiki/HowTo/SetUpBuildd
[04:02] <Unfrgiven> the thing im not getting about sbuild, is does it install all the build deps and then later uninstall them?
[04:02] <crimsun> yes, precisely like pbuilder. However, the order it chooses alternates for build deps differs from pbuilder.
[04:03] <crimsun> pbuilder chooses the first; sbuild chooses the last.
[04:03] <womble> Unfrgiven: No, sbuild just installs anything that isn't already there, and then leaves it around when it's done, for efficiency's sake.
[04:03] <crimsun> really?
[04:03] <crimsun> color me a newb.
[04:03] <Unfrgiven> if thats the case sbuild is not a good idea for building packages for a newbie
[04:04] <Unfrgiven> the great thing about pbuilder is its such a minimalist environment. it almost always catches any missing build-deps!
[04:04] <womble> Hell no.  sbuild is there to turn a lot of source into binaries as quickly as possible.
[04:04] <womble> Yes, pbuilder is great for catching build deps.
[04:04] <womble> You do not want your autobuilder catching all of your developer's fuckups, though
[04:05] <LaserJock> the wiki howto is: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SbuildLVMHowto
[04:06] <LaserJock> well, I just wish pbuilder was a bit easier to configure, especially when you want multiple pbuilders
[04:07] <Unfrgiven> LaserJock: maybe we should write a script/tool to do it?
[04:07] <womble> LaserJock: How would you make it easier?  pbuilder create --basetgz ... pbuilder build --basetgz
[04:07] <crimsun> ah, I see (looking at a buildd log). It only installs what already isn't in the chroot, so it only uninstalls what it installed, but everything's cached.
[04:08] <womble> crimsun: And if something breaks in it's postinst, you're stuffed.  <grin>
[04:12] <LaserJock> womble: well people seem to get caught up with setting the sources.list
[04:13] <LaserJock> often people set the distro to dapper but use breezy in the sources.list
[04:13] <LaserJock> another one was it fails if the cdrom lines are still in the sources.list
[04:13] <womble> LaserJock: WTF?  pbuilder creates it's own sources.list for the chroot out of the value for --mirror and --distribution
[04:15] <LaserJock> hmm, maybe we should take that part out then
[04:15] <zakame> hello
[04:16] <LaserJock> womble: http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/gs-pbuilder.html is what I have now
[04:17] <Unfrgiven> the reason it has its own sources.list is because people may want to write packages for dapper while themselves running a stable breezy environment.
[04:17] <LaserJock> Unfrgiven: but wouldn't that be taken care of with --mirror and --othermirror if what womble is saying is correct?
[04:17] <womble> Unfrgiven: Naturally.  Just like I've got about 8 different chroots for the different build environments I need for testing.
[04:18] <Unfrgiven> LaserJock: quite possibly. I've never used the --mirror and --othermirror options myself so I couldn't tell you.
[04:18] <LaserJock> womble: so how do you set that up?
[04:19] <womble> Wow, you use /etc/pbuilderrc.  How... quaint.  I've never touched it in my life.
[04:19] <Unfrgiven> does --mirror and --othermirror add deb and deb-src for both?
[04:19] <zakame> lol
[04:19] <womble> Why would you use deb-src in a pbuilder chroot?
[04:19] <Unfrgiven> uggh sorry im getting confused with my chroot setup
[04:19] <Unfrgiven> you're right.
[04:19] <Unfrgiven> so you're saying that a pbuilder setup is a one-liner?
[04:19] <LaserJock> Unfrgiven: but --mirror and --othermirror are set in /etc/pbuilderrc
[04:20] <LaserJock> so it is redundent maybe
[04:20] <Unfrgiven> LaserJock: correct and yeah it seems redundant.
[04:21] <LaserJock> womble: so how do you handle multiple pbuilders?
[04:21] <womble> From memory, I create a new chroot with "pbuilder create --basetgz /var/lib/chroots/<something>.tgz --mirror http://127.0.0.1:9999/ubuntu --distribution dapper"
[04:21] <womble> LaserJock: I have a script called 'buildin' which works out which in /var/lib/chroots to use for the --basetgz option
[04:21] <womble> womble: Buildmaster, of course, is even more intelligent, but it's also largely on crack.
[04:22] <Unfrgiven> womble: talking to urself now?!?!
[04:22] <Unfrgiven> womble: whats Buildmaster?
[04:22] <womble> Unfrgiven: My multi-architecture-on-one-box buildd I use for work.
[04:23] <Unfrgiven> womble: now that sounds neat!
[04:23] <LaserJock> hmm, I guess that is what I mean about making pbuilder a bit more intuitive to use for new people
[04:23] <womble> It's /var/lib/chroots currently contains i386_hoary.tgz, i386_breezy.tgz, amd64_hoary.tgz, and amd64_breezy.tgz.  It will shortly contain dapper versions, too.
[04:24] <LaserJock> I've got multiple pbuilderrcs and apt.config directories
[04:24] <Unfrgiven> womble: in that command, how do you specify universe & multiverse in the sources?
[04:24] <LaserJock> in ~/
[04:24] <LaserJock> Unfrgiven: I think you would set --othermirror perhaps
[04:25] <Unfrgiven> im just going to test this out now
[04:25] <womble> Unfrgiven: --othermirror "deb http://127.0.0.1:9999/ubuntu dapper universe multiverse|deb http://127.0.0.1:9999/ubuntu dapper-updates universe multiverse"
[04:28] <LaserJock> hmm, so I wonder what I should do with the guide
[04:28] <Unfrgiven> aight, here goes
[04:29] <Unfrgiven> LaserJock: im just trying out the one liner. if it works as expected then lets update the document accordingly
[04:29] <wasabi__> There a better way then popening gksu to make a python utility that needs root access?
[04:29] <Unfrgiven> LaserJock: a one-liner will be easy enough for users
[04:30] <LaserJock> womble: ok, so do you have to give --mirror etc with each pbuilder build or update or only for create?
[04:31] <womble> Hell of a lot easier than editing pbuilderrc every time you want to change something.  And you should be pointing them at .pbuilderrc for most stuff, anyway -- about the only setting for /etc/pbuilderrc is the mirror (which should be system wide, and point at your local apt-proxy instance)
[04:31] <womble> LaserJock: Hell no.  pbuilder has this great new concept called sources.lists.
[04:31] <womble> AAAAAARGH
[04:31] <womble> sources.list
[04:33] <Unfrgiven> is .pbuilderrc much use? pbuilder needs to be run as root. so the user will need to use /root/.pbuilderrc in which case they may as well use /etc/pbuilderrc
[04:33] <LaserJock> no
[04:33] <womble> Unfrgiven: It uses $HOME/.pbuilderrc
[04:33] <womble> Although sudo has some strange ideas about $HOME these days, for some bong-ass reason
[04:33] <Unfrgiven> yeah i realised after i hit enter... sudo preserves $HOME
[04:34] <jmg> is there a way to make make-kpkg not rebuild the tree before building the .debs?
[04:35] <LaserJock> womble: what do you mean about mirror should point at your local apt-proxy instance?
[04:35] <LaserJock> womble: sorry for the seemingly bonehead questions
[04:36] <womble> LaserJock: I mean that everybody should have a local apt-proxy instead of hammering the snot out of the main mirrors.
[04:36] <Unfrgiven> i was thinking that we should have an apt-proxy setup in the appendix
[04:36] <Unfrgiven> apt-proxy FTW!
[04:36] <jmg> help
[04:36] <jmg> :(
[04:37] <womble> LaserJock: For instance, I've got apt-proxy on my laptop, and it's shared by the laptop itself, for all of the pbuilder chroots, and for the UMLs.
[04:37] <Unfrgiven> jmg: sorry dude, im not sure the answer to your question.
[04:37] <womble> It must save me GBs of traffic a month, easily.
[04:38] <Unfrgiven> womble: the command didn't work! Command: sudo pbuilder create --basetgz testing.tgz --mirror http://ankur.ath.cx:9999/ubuntu --distribution dapper --othermirror "deb http://ankur.ath.cx:9999/ubuntu main restricted universe multiverse"
[04:38] <Unfrgiven> Failed to fetch http://ankur.ath.cx:9999/ubuntu/dists/main/restricted/binary-i386/Packages.gz  404 Not Found
[04:38] <Unfrgiven> Failed to fetch http://ankur.ath.cx:9999/ubuntu/dists/main/universe/binary-i386/Packages.gz  404 Not Found
[04:39] <Unfrgiven> Failed to fetch http://ankur.ath.cx:9999/ubuntu/dists/main/multiverse/binary-i386/Packages.gz  404 Not Found
[04:39] <Unfrgiven> odd...
[04:39] <womble> --othermirror "deb http://ankur.ath.cx:9999/ubuntu dapper universe multiverse" FFS
[04:39] <womble> I don't think Ubuntu is ever going to release "Main Marmot"
[04:40] <Unfrgiven> ?!?!
[04:40] <LaserJock> womble: maybe, you never know ;-)
[04:40] <womble> Unfrgiven: The first argument after the URL is the name of the distribution you want to use, not a component
[04:41] <Unfrgiven> err of course!
[04:41] <Unfrgiven> stupid me
[04:41] <Unfrgiven> it was a typo
[04:41] <Unfrgiven> and while im at it, whats a marmot?
[04:41] <LaserJock> ok, so the default pbuilder install for dapper has mirror set right for Ubuntu
[04:41] <womble> You manually typed in the error message pbuilder gave you?
[04:42] <LaserJock> so really all we need to do is set --othermirror
[04:42] <Unfrgiven> womble: no, the typo was in my command. i omitted dapper. trying it again with the right values
[04:42] <womble> Unfrgiven: Like most questions, that is best answered by Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marmot
[04:43] <Unfrgiven> :)
[04:43] <LaserJock> ok, so we can do this:
[04:44] <LaserJock> 1) get proper debootstrap
[04:44] <LaserJock> 2) install pbuilder
[04:44] <LaserJock> 3) pbuilder create -distribution  --othermirror
[04:44] <LaserJock> 4) pbuilder build *.dsc
[04:44] <LaserJock> sudo pbuilder I should say
[04:46] <womble> Replace 4) with buildin:
[04:47] <womble> #!/bin/sh -e
[04:47] <womble> dist="$1"; shift
[04:47] <womble> dsc="$1"; shift
[04:47] <womble> echo "Dist: $dist"
[04:47] <womble> echo "Dsc: $dsc"
[04:47] <womble> echo "Extras:" "$@"
[04:47] <womble> BASEFILE=$(basename "$dsc" .dsc)
[04:47] <womble> BASEDIR=$(dirname "$dsc")
[04:47] <womble> if [ -z "$RESULTDIR" ] ; then
[04:47] <womble>         RESULTDIR=$(readlink -f $BASEDIR)
[04:47] <womble> fi
[04:47] <womble> echo "Placing build results in $RESULTDIR"
[04:47] <womble> sudo pbuilder build \
[04:47] <womble>         --basetgz "/chroots/p${dist}.tgz" \
[04:47] <womble>         --buildresult "${RESULTDIR}/" --debbuildopts '-i' "$@" "$dsc" 2>&1 \
[04:47] <womble>         | tee ${RESULTDIR}/${BASEFILE}-`date '+%Y%m%d%H%M'`.log
[04:47] <womble> CHANGES="${RESULTDIR}/${BASEFILE}_i386.changes"
[04:47] <womble> #lintian $CHANGES || true
[04:48] <JohnnyMast> pastebin
[04:48] <JohnnyMast> one word :)
[04:49] <JohnnyMast> hey LaserJock old buddy :)
[04:49] <LaserJock> hi JohnnyMast
[04:49] <JohnnyMast> :D
[04:49] <JohnnyMast> how are you doing ?
[04:49] <Unfrgiven> womble: buildin assumes that your chroots are in /chroots
[04:49] <LaserJock> umm, well I'll be better when this thing is done
[04:50] <womble> Unfrgiven: Symlinks are wonderful things.  As are text editors, and shell and environment variables.
[04:50] <JohnnyMast> whats wrong then buddy ?
[04:50] <Unfrgiven> womble: :)
[04:50] <LaserJock> well, I need this to be newbie friendly
[04:51] <JohnnyMast> whats this <--- then ??
[04:51] <LaserJock> but if it used /var/pbuilder instead then it would better
[04:51] <JohnnyMast> sorry i wasnt following the convo dear old buddy
[04:51] <LaserJock> JohnnyMast: http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html
[04:51] <womble> LaserJock: /var/pbuilder isn't FSB compliant
[04:51] <JohnnyMast> hmm pbuilder hu
[04:52] <LaserJock> womble: well, that is the default
[04:52] <JohnnyMast> its /var/cache/pbluider
[04:52] <womble> LaserJock: What default?
[04:52] <LaserJock> JohnnyMast: ah thanks.
[04:53] <LaserJock> womble: /var/cache/pbuilder is the default directory
[04:53] <JohnnyMast> but wait let me check
[04:53] <JohnnyMast> let me double check for its root
[04:53] <JohnnyMast> no wait double checking !!
[04:53] <JohnnyMast> i just used locate
[04:53] <JohnnyMast> it could have been an apt-crach junky stuff
[04:53] <LaserJock> JohnnyMast: I did a typo in my pbuilderrc so I have one of mine in /var/pbuilder
[04:54] <JohnnyMast> BUILDPLACE=/var/cache/pbuilder/build/
[04:54] <LaserJock> there it is
[04:54] <JohnnyMast> from pico /etc/pbuilderrc
[04:54] <JohnnyMast> :) glad to help you out LaserJock
[04:55] <JohnnyMast> that i still remind the motu stuff after all that time greepers :p
[04:55] <LaserJock> heh
[04:56] <JohnnyMast> hows it hanging here ?
[04:56] <JohnnyMast> lots of hopefulls ?
[04:57] <JohnnyMast> i just recently kicked out 6 ubuntu mailing lists
[04:57] <JohnnyMast> it kept on spamming my ass hehe man i had like 488 emails a weekend
[05:00] <JohnnyMast> LaserJock,
[05:01] <JohnnyMast> do you know godfather the game ?
[05:01] <LaserJock> nope
[05:02] <JohnnyMast> to bad
[05:02] <JohnnyMast> do you know the movie ?
[05:02] <Unfrgiven> JohnnyMast: you're a gamer?
[05:02] <JohnnyMast> more a developer/packer/teacher then a gamer
[05:03] <JohnnyMast> but yes i like the game :)
[05:03] <Unfrgiven> im very much a gamer and currently despise having to boot into windows to game
[05:03] <Unfrgiven> cedega seems VERY slow for Guild Wars :(
[05:04] <JohnnyMast> yeah but being not abled to boot into windows isnt a unix quest isnt it
[05:05] <Unfrgiven> i seriously only use windows for two things atm. 1) VPN to work. 2) Games
[05:05] <JohnnyMast> openvpn works well on unix
[05:05] <JohnnyMast> but that besides
[05:05] <Unfrgiven> not for Nortel VPNs
[05:06] <JohnnyMast> you cant create a dual boot ?
[05:06] <JohnnyMast> use a norton boot disk
[05:06] <JohnnyMast> and you never will go wrong
[05:06] <Unfrgiven> JohnnyMast: I do have a dual boot. but its still a PITA to have to do it
[05:07] <JohnnyMast> you pointed it to the wrong partition prob
[05:07] <JohnnyMast> thats 99% of the probs
[05:07] <JohnnyMast> else forgive me for drinking :)
[05:08] <JohnnyMast> im not sober my friend
[05:11] <Unfrgiven> aight im heading off for a bit
[05:11] <Unfrgiven> cya all
[05:12] <LaserJock> cya Unfrgiven
[05:12] <Hobbsee> Unfrgiven: try tripple boot :P
[05:12] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: why stop at 3?
[05:12] <Hobbsee> hard drive space
[05:12] <LaserJock> a distro takes max 10GB, if you have a 120GB drive you could easily do at least 10 ;-)
[05:13] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: windows tends to take a bit more than that
[05:13] <Hobbsee> and i only have a 40 gb HD
[05:13] <LaserJock> hhmm I suppose
[05:14] <LaserJock> I'm used to dual(or more) booting linux distros
[05:14] <LaserJock> I can usually get away with 5GB/each for most
[05:19] <LaserJock> crimsun: you still around?
[05:19] <LaserJock> crimsun: are you going to go through the whole guide?
[05:22] <Kyral> yo people
[05:23] <crimsun> LaserJock: hi. Yes.
[05:23] <LaserJock> hi Kyral
[05:23] <LaserJock> crimsun: ok, very cool.
[05:23] <LaserJock> crimsun: I guess I'm going to try to redo the pbuilder section
[05:24] <crimsun> ok.
[05:25] <LaserJock> crimsun: do you have an estimate of how long it will take you?
[05:25] <jmg> guys where do i get a login for revu?
[05:26] <crimsun> LaserJock: I'm taking a break at the moment, but I'll have the rest of the dir done in 12 hrs.
[05:26] <LaserJock> crimsun: ok, very cool
[05:26] <LaserJock> jmg: have uploaded to revu?
[05:27] <jmg> LaserJock: where do i upload to then :)
[05:28] <LaserJock> jmg: ok, have you sent a signed email to keyring@revu.tauware.de to get your gpg key added?
[05:28] <jmg> LaserJock: no, but i will thanks
[05:30] <LaserJock> jmg: there are more detailed directions at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU
[05:30] <jmg> LaserJock: Thanks
[05:30] <LaserJock> np
[05:34] <jmg> gack
[05:34] <jmg> does evolution not support gpg?
[05:36] <LaserJock> not sure, perhaps not "out of the box"
[05:45] <ajmitch> afternoon
[05:45] <nictuku> hello
[05:45] <crimsun> 'afternoon, ajmitch
[05:51] <LaserJock> hi ajmitch
[05:57] <ajmitch> hi Hobbsee
[05:57] <Hobbsee> hey ajmitch
[05:57] <ajmitch> heh, fun
[05:58] <ajmitch> don't break any bones
[05:58] <Hobbsee> yep :)
[05:58] <Hobbsee> i've only ever broken a finger...
[05:59] <Hobbsee> and that was unrelated...
[06:01] <ajmitch> we need all MOTUs on board for the last weeks before release
[06:01] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:01] <Hobbsee> yes, i broke my middle finger...
[06:01] <Hobbsee> was most embarrasing...
[06:02] <ajmitch> ouch
[06:02] <ajmitch> doesn't matter
[06:02] <ajmitch> you still have to help
[06:02] <Hobbsee> right
[06:02] <Hobbsee> true
[06:02] <Hobbsee> well i finished my assignment, so i probably can now...
[06:03] <ajmitch> great
[06:04] <LaserJock> I'll be back into it as soon as this Packaging Guide is really finished
[06:04] <crimsun> ah, cool
[06:05] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:05] <Hobbsee> good point
[06:11] <jmg> so who wants to help me get xen 3.0.2 into universe? :)
[06:11] <jmg> i have packages built
[06:12] <crimsun> what sort of packages?
[06:12] <jmg> dapper source and binary
[06:13] <crimsun> referring to source
[06:16] <jmg> i've modified the debian rules so they build 3.0.2 on dapper
[06:17] <bddebian> Afternoon?  It's freakin' Midnight :-)
[06:17] <jmg> crimsun: uploading to my repo now
[06:35] <jmg> crimsun: http://thoughtcrime.org.nz/~cartel/ubuntu/dapper/xen3.0.2-testing+20060409
[06:36] <crimsun> jmg: sec, busy in support
[06:39] <jmg> source code coming soon
[06:40] <LaserJock> jmg: yeah, .debs are pretty usless for us
[06:40] <ajmitch> probably something that'd have to be sorted out with the kernel team, too
[06:40] <jmg> LaserJock: at the moment it seems to be rolling object code in
[06:40] <jmg> ajmitch: yeah thats my next trick
[06:40] <jmg> ajmitch: im building a prototype kernel using ubuntu rules
[06:41] <jmg> LaserJock: i need to build a source package
[06:41] <LaserJock> jmg: how are you making the .debs now?
[06:41] <jmg> LaserJock: dpkg-buildpackage
[06:41] <bddebian> Ack, I have .desktop on the brain... :-(
[06:42] <jmg> LaserJock: its rolling object code into the generated .tar.gz at the moment, comes out at 114mb :(
[06:42] <ajmitch> that's a little broken
[06:42] <jmg> ajmitch: no shit
[06:42] <jmg> ajmitch: clean target horked
[06:43] <bddebian> LaserJock: :-)
[06:43] <crimsun> jmg: if there's to be any hope for it to get in, it needs to apply cleanly against our patched kernel source
[06:43] <jmg> crimsun: impossible
[06:43] <jmg> crimsun: xen applies to 2.6.16
[06:43] <jmg> crimsun: meaning it cant get accepted as a kernel for dapper
[06:43] <crimsun> jmg: are you aiming for dapper?
[06:43] <ajmitch> since we're only having 1 set of kernels for dapper, not multiple patchsets or binary packages in universe
[06:44] <crimsun> right.
[06:44] <crimsun> if it doesn't apply against our kernel source, it's a no-go
[06:44] <jmg> crimsun: however, the packages used to setup your own xen kernel surely are includable?
[06:44] <ajmitch> sure, they probably are
[06:44] <crimsun> as in scripts? Sure
[06:44] <jmg> crimsun: the debs that i uploaded are the supporting packages for xen, and a kernel patch package
[06:44] <bddebian> crimsun: Are you a main uploader?
[06:45] <jmg> crimsun: just cleaning up the source tree now
[06:46] <jmg> crimsun then i get to start on etch YAY
[06:46] <jmg> :'(
[06:47] <jmg> how do you use gpg and evolution together?
[06:48] <crimsun> bddebian: nope.
[06:48] <LaserJock> jmg: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto
[06:48] <jmg> LaserJock: thx
[06:49] <ajmitch> crimsun: you're not? I thought you were..
[06:50] <crimsun> ajmitch: nope
[06:50] <bddebian> You should be :-)
[06:50] <chillywilly> HI
[06:51] <chillywilly> oops, capslock :)
[06:51] <bddebian> Heya chillywilly
[06:51] <LaserJock> chillywilly: I just thought you were hapy to see us ;-)
[06:51] <chillywilly> that too
[06:51] <chillywilly> especially ajmitchie and bddebian ;)
[06:52] <ajmitch> chillywilly: when are you going to help out with ubuntu?
[06:52] <chillywilly> ummmm...I was going to make an unreal IRCd package some day...
[06:52] <ajmitch> sure
[06:52] <chillywilly> :)))
[06:52] <bddebian> Yeah chillywilly, get uploading .desktop files :-)
[06:53] <chillywilly> .desktop files for what?
[06:53] <LaserJock> chillywilly: *everything*
[06:54] <bddebian> heh
[06:55] <LaserJock> if I play this right, by the time I can do some more uploads bddebian will have all my .desktop bugs fixed ;-)
[06:55] <bddebian> Yep :-)
[06:55] <ajmitch> LaserJock: I'm expecting that I won't have to do any more uploads for dapper
[06:56] <bddebian> I guess that's all I'm good for :'-(
[06:56] <ajmitch> bddebian: fixing all the dapper bugs?
[06:56] <LaserJock> bddebian: it is an invaluable service
[06:56] <bddebian> No, .desktop fixes
[06:58] <chillywilly> I heard dapper got pushed back because it's going to be supported for 5 years...isn't that like an eternity in the FOSS world? I gues I don't get it
[06:59] <ajmitch> jmg: did you make it to LCA this year?
[06:59] <ajmitch> chillywilly: this was news about a month ago :)
[06:59] <chillywilly> I've not been keeping up
[06:59] <LaserJock> chillywilly: I think it is 3 years on desktop, 5 on server. but I could be wrong
[06:59] <ajmitch> RH & suse both have comparable support cycles
[06:59] <chillywilly> so sue me
[06:59] <chillywilly> ok
[07:00] <bddebian> We don't have automake1.6?
[07:00] <chillywilly> fair enough then
[07:00] <ajmitch> bddebian: no, why should we? 1.9 is current
[07:00] <bddebian> Hmm, this package needs "fixed" then :)
[07:00] <LaserJock> we have 1.4, 1.7, 1.8, and 1.9
[07:00] <ajmitch> yep
[07:01] <ajmitch> no doubt 1.7 & maybe 1.8 will get dropped
[07:01] <ajmitch> 1.4->1.5 broke too much to drop 1.4 yet
[07:01] <Amaranth> i think gnome needs 1.7
[07:01] <ajmitch> crazy compatibility issues
[07:02] <Amaranth> i'm almost positive 1.9 breaks gnome
[07:02] <carthik_away> Does MOTU team have a mentor scheme, where  new wannabes can ask questions of a mentor?
[07:02] <ajmitch> bddebian: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=340921
[07:02] <Amaranth> something like that
[07:02] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 340921 in ftp.debian.org "Subject: RM: automake1.6" [Normal,Closed] 
[07:02] <Amaranth> you ask here, see if someone answers
[07:03] <ajmitch> carthik_away: generally it's just working in here, not so much a 1-on-1 scheme
[07:03] <ajmitch> and packages get reviewed, etc
[07:05] <bddebian> Gah, it wasn't the package, I had 1.4 installed.. Duh
[07:07] <carthik> thanks ajmitch
[07:24] <LaserJock> how important is it to have dapper-updates as a repo in pbuilder?
[07:25] <ajmitch> LaserJock: it's not, since updates should be empty still
[07:26] <LaserJock> ajmitch: well, this is the packaging guide, which should cover a few years
[07:27] <LaserJock> do you think it would be worth worrying about?
[07:27] <ajmitch> not particularly
[07:27] <LaserJock> k
[07:27] <ajmitch> it *may* matter sometime in the future though
[07:27] <ajmitch> depending if someone is building a package to go into dapper-updates
[07:29] <LaserJock> I would think by that time they could figure out that they might want to have dapper-updates
[07:29] <ajmitch> yeah
[07:30] <ajmitch> it would only really be needed if someone was building for a released distro - which may happen with dapper being supported for awhile
[07:46] <LaserJock_away> crimsun: I've commited your changes (plus some other fixes) so you should svn up before you send me more diffs
[07:46] <crimsun> LaserJock_away: will do.
[07:51] <bddebian> Ack, 2am, gnight folks
[08:28] <zakame> hi
[08:30] <carthik> hola, zakame
[08:31] <zakame> ehlo carthik :)
[08:44] <zakame> hi Hobbsee!!
[08:44] <Hobbsee> zakame!!!
[08:45] <zakame> haha
[08:45] <zakame> where?
[08:45] <Hobbsee> went rollerblading
[08:46] <zakame> ooh!
[08:48] <ajmitch> hi
[08:48] <ajmitch> no broken bones then?
[08:48] <ajmitch> ah good :)
[08:49] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:49] <Hobbsee> didnt even screw up my ankle - i was impressed
[08:50] <jmg> anyone using vnc here? it wont connect for me in dapper
[09:05] <Hobbsee> machine suddenly stopped accepting keyboard input - weird
[09:06] <zakame> its turn to rollerblade
[09:06] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:06] <Hobbsee> argh!
[09:07] <zakame> thank $DEITY for libglib2.0-doc and libgnome2.0-dc
[09:07] <zakame> s#dc#doc#
[09:23] <zakame> there no dfsg-free last.fm player in the ubuntu archives right?
[09:24] <zakame> gahh, #ubuntu -type question :/
[09:25] <siretart> zakame: I tried to build the lastfm package from debian, but it immediately segfaults on dapper
[09:26] <zakame> gaah iirc it b-ds on qt right?
[09:31] <StevenK> zakame: quodlibet? amarok?
[09:31] <StevenK> Hang on, I don't think Quod Libet stoops that low.
[09:31] <crimsun> those are just clients that push stats to last.fm.
[09:31] <zakame> StevenK: those are just scrobblers
[09:31] <StevenK> Ah.
[09:31] <crimsun> it'd be nice to have 0.19.1 in :)
[09:32] <StevenK> <- doesn't get this whole last.fm thing.
[09:32] <StevenK> crimsun: Ah, you're another Quod person? :-)
[09:32] <crimsun> StevenK: yes, from the early days back when pyflac was just a twinkling
[09:33] <crimsun> the regexps won me
[09:33] <StevenK> And before Amarok there was Rythmbox, until GStreamer sucking on SMP forced me to switch.
[09:33] <zakame> quod rocks
[09:34] <siretart> StevenK: last.fm streams musik as well
[09:34] <zakame> StevenK: heh, I myself just tried last.fm yesterday, it was ok
[09:34] <zakame> but I can't appreciate the choppy music over dialup :(
[09:35] <Hobbsee> urgh, dialup
[09:35] <Hobbsee> zakame: can you not get cable/adsl/whatever there?
[09:36] <Hobbsee> ooh...nice...
[09:36] <StevenK> Hobbsee: 16Gb DSL2 plan for $50, it's brilliant.
[09:36] <zakame> Hobbsee: not at the moment, no job :/
[09:36] <Hobbsee> zakame: ah...
[09:36] <Hobbsee> StevenK: sheesh!  got a link for it?
[09:37] <StevenK> http://www.exetel.com.au/a_plan_pricing_adsl2.htm
[09:38] <zakame> Hobbsee: still, my bandwidth's just ok for ssh-ing :D
[09:38] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:39] <Hobbsee> StevenK: hmmm ok...might send that to dad.  we're on telstra bigpond cable at the moment...
[10:00] <pef> hello
[10:01] <pef> should I fill a bug report on debian bts to give a desktop file written for Ubuntu ?
[10:02] <crimsun> upstream should have the desktop file, so everyone will benefit
[10:03] <pef> that is what I thought :)
[10:03] <pef> "missing desktop file" is an appropriate bug report title ?
[10:04] <crimsun> [PATCH]  Add missing desktop file
[10:04] <pef> don't Debian mainly uses menu files instead of desktop files ?
[10:05] <crimsun> I thought you were sending this upstream?
[10:05] <crimsun> "upstream" upstream
[10:05] <pef> sorry
[10:05] <pef> you're right :)
[10:55] <pef> crimsun: are you still present ?
[11:19] <kelmo_lap> hi siretart
[11:19] <kelmo_lap> hi all
[11:20] <siretart> hey kelmo_lap
[11:20] <siretart> kelmo_lap: we've been working a bit in paralell ;)
[11:20] <kelmo_lap> yes, that s why i thought we should join forces ; )
[11:21] <siretart> kelmo_lap: As you probably noticed, I backported this ap-scan command
[11:21] <kelmo_lap> siretart, great, that was required
[11:21] <siretart> ok
[11:21] <kelmo_lap> siretart, i am a bit slack, i am only really using 0.5 series . . .
[11:21] <siretart> I'm currently thinking about some sort of upgrading guide
[11:22] <siretart> kelmo_lap: oh, thats no problem. the interaface to ifupdown.sh is the same now
[11:22] <kelmo_lap> yep, good
[11:22] <kelmo_lap> siretart, that sort of documentation is needed i think
[11:23] <kelmo_lap> see my last response to the list
[11:23] <kelmo_lap> Felix had some good suggestions
[11:23] <kelmo_lap> i think we both knew that we'd be facing a few bug reports and enquiries after such large changes ; )
[11:24] <siretart> I'm currently writing an answer
[11:25] <kelmo_lap> meanwhile, my brain has started to think about howto integrate a roaming daeom with the ifupdwon script we provide
[11:25] <ajmitch> hi
[11:26] <kelmo_lap> hi ajmitch
[11:26] <siretart> sent
[11:27] <siretart> kelmo_lap: btw: http://blog.zugschlus.de/archives/372-wpa_supplicant.html
[11:29] <kelmo_lap> some nice feedback
[11:29] <kelmo_lap> cool
[11:29] <siretart> :)
[11:37] <siretart> need to leave, cu later
[11:38] <ajmitch> bye siretart
[12:30] <siretart> kelmo: I'll be away for vac next week. could you arrange an upload of -3 to unstable then?
[12:31] <kelmo> siretart: sure, i'll push for one in a day or two
[12:31] <siretart> great
[12:31] <kelmo> siretart: have a good break
[12:32] <kelmo> i just got back from a mini-vac
[12:33] <siretart> nice to hear :)
[12:34] <jmg> xen-3.0.2-testing+20060904/
[12:34] <jmg> er
[12:35] <jmg> http://thoughtcrime.org.nz/~cartel/ubuntu/dapper/xen-3.0.2-testing+20060904
[12:36] <siretart> jmg: whats that?
[12:37] <siretart> xen kernel patch or userspace tools?
[12:38] <jmg> http://thoughtcrime.org.nz/~cartel/ubuntu/
[12:38] <jmg> http://thoughtcrime.org.nz/~cartel/ubuntu/etch-on-dapper-.jpg
[12:38] <jmg> siretart: kernelpatch and tools and libs... kernel coming soon (later today)
[12:39] <siretart> jmg: do you work together with hunger?
[12:39] <jmg> link should be: http://thoughtcrime.org.nz/~cartel/ubuntu/dapper/xen-3.0.2-testing+20060409/
[12:39] <jmg> siretart: no but i should?
[12:39] <siretart> he did a lot of work on xen packages as well
[12:40] <siretart> might be a good idea to avoid duplication of work
[12:40] <jmg> okay
[12:40] <jmg> this is all new anyway
[12:40] <jmg> xen 3.0.2 changes lots of stuff
[12:41] <jmg> ill catch up with hunger tomorrow
[12:41] <jmg> thanks
[01:05] <Yagisan> G'day all
[01:06] <kelmo> hi Yagisan
[01:06] <Gloubiboulga> hi Yagisan
[01:07] <Hobbsee> HI Yagisan
[01:07] <Hobbsee> darn capslock
[01:14] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[01:14] <Hobbsee> yeah, rather
[01:14] <Hobbsee> or a cat on your arms, as my friend had that problem last night
[01:18] <Yagisan> my little boy is lonely, so I'm introducing him to computers, but he likes to grab everything in sight
[01:20] <ajmitch> Yagisan: might as well get him hacking early
[01:21] <Yagisan> ajmitch: that's the plan. I had my little girl on the pc by the time shewas 6 months
[01:21] <Yagisan> she's not too bad at doom now actually
[01:23] <ajmitch> heh
[01:24] <phanatic> hi people
[01:25] <ajmitch> hi
[01:25] <Yagisan> ajmitch: I need to train people to play with me here, so I may as well start young
[01:25] <tseng> bye ajmitch
[01:25] <Yagisan> night ajmitch
[01:29] <Yagisan> there was a command that let me know which .deb a file was from, can anyone remember it ? eg if I want to know which package /usr/lib32/libSDL-1.2.so.0 is from
[01:30] <Hobbsee> night ajmitch
[01:30] <Hobbsee> Yagisan: dpkg -L?
[01:30] <Hobbsee> maybe combined with grep?
[01:31] <azeem> Yagisan: dpkg -S <file>
[01:32] <azeem> Yagisan: packages.ubuntu.com has a search facility for this as well (the one at the bottom)
[01:32] <Yagisan> thanks azeem, Hobbsee
[01:32] <Hobbsee> ah...
[01:32] <kelmo> or dlocate is also handy, and fast
[01:34] <Yagisan> ahh. that was useful. now I know what I'm missing from my deps line
[01:42] <Yagisan> hmm, libncurses.so.5 isn't in ia32-libs anymore ?
[01:46] <Hobbsee> hey, if a bug is set to needinfo, and hasnt been touched by the original poster for 11 months, can i just close it, saying "reopen if this still applies"  ?
[01:47] <Yagisan> G'day StevenK
[01:47] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: what bug ?
[01:47] <Hobbsee> bug 17107
[01:47] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 17107 in kdemultimedia juk "backtrace" [Normal,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/17107
[01:48] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: yes. It's just a backtrace without any info
[01:49] <Hobbsee> cool, thanks
[01:51] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: no worries. btw, I have no authority here, I just try to look like I know what I'm doing. Sometimes it actually works
[01:51] <Hobbsee> heeh
[01:58] <Hobbsee> Yagisan: i'll hold you accountable :P
[02:00] <bddebian> Howdy gang
[02:00] <Yagisan> G'day bddebian
[02:01] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: so, you'll increase my karma then, nice :)
[02:01] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:01] <phanatic> hey bddebian
[02:01] <bddebian> Hello phanatic
[02:08] <StevenK> Yagisan: Boo!
[02:25] <bddebian> Hm, do I do MOTUSciences's desktop files?  I don't want to steal LaserJock_away's karma :-)
[02:26] <pef> :)
[02:26] <pef> lot of desktop files cleanup are sciences related packages
[02:27] <pef> bddebian: heya :)
[02:28] <bddebian> Hello pef :-)
[02:28] <pef> bddebian: just a question about submitted debdiff on bug reports: do you keep original changelog entry ?
[02:35] <bddebian> pef: What do you mean by keep?
[02:36] <pef> bddebian: keeping original submitter's entry, or put ourself with our name, e-mail, etc
[02:37] <bddebian> pef: Oh.  It depends.  Lately if I have to change something, I'll create my own and credit the submitter.  If the patch is fine I'll usually leave the submitters entry and build with -k<mykeyaddr>
[02:37] <pef> ok, that was I thought, thanks :)
[02:38] <bddebian> NP
[02:38] <pef> and I'm impressed by your very activity :)
[02:38] <pef> s/ver/very important/
[02:39] <pef> s/very/ very important/
[02:39] <pef> :] 
[02:40] <bddebian> pef: Bah, it's mainly simple .desktop stuff :-(  But thanks :-)_
[02:40] <bddebian> Does this look like a valid Categories section:  Categories=Astronomy;GTK;Science; ?
[02:41] <bddebian> Shouldn't it have Applications; somewhere in there?
[02:44] <pef> bddebian: I cannot find "Application" entry in http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/menu-spec-1.0.html
[02:44] <pef> but I often find it
[02:46] <bddebian> Hmm
[02:52] <pef> I don't understand the role of "Application" entry, because if the program isn't a library or something else not directly usable by end user, it can't by something else than an application
[02:52] <bddebian> I though it was a tag for Applications -> Foo -> Bar ?
[02:56] <bddebian> For example, I just installed gcx with the above entry and it's nowhere in the Applications dropdown menu
[03:01] <Hobbsee> how does one go about fixing a borked dep in a package in breezy?  patch it, and assign it somewhere?
[03:02] <bddebian> No clue, sorry.  Mez might know
[03:02] <Hobbsee> right, thanks
[03:02] <Hobbsee> unfortunately all the dev's that i know are asleep :P
[03:02] <bddebian> :-)
[03:05] <cbx33> hi all
[03:05] <bddebian> Hello cbx33
[03:05] <Hobbsee> hey cbx33
[03:07] <cbx33> hey bddebian Hobbsee
[03:07] <cbx33> gonna attempt my first bug fix later on today....
[03:07] <Hobbsee> yay!
[03:07] <cbx33> it's a relaly minor one, but hey, gotta start somewhere
[03:08] <Hobbsee> what's it for?
[03:08] <cbx33> some documentation issue
[03:08] <bddebian> cbx33: Great
[03:08] <Tm_T> yay!
[03:08] <cbx33> bddebian, well I was trawling through all the bugs looking for ones I could actually do
[03:08] <bddebian> cbx33: I know that feeling :-)
[03:08] <cbx33> I found one, but it would need me to get mysql running in my chroot
[03:08] <cbx33> which is proving a bugger at the mo
[03:09] <bddebian> cbx33: The "No .desktop file" ones are easy too
[03:09] <cbx33> so I'll leave that one till later, but there were 2 others i think I could actually do
[03:09] <cbx33> YES
[03:09] <cbx33> i seen a few of those...though most of them already have a fix
[03:09] <bddebian> Ah, yes good point
[03:09] <cbx33> when someone submits a debdiff, does it become fixed once someone applies that to the universe?
[03:09] <Hobbsee> cbx33: hehe...i know what you mean
[03:09] <Hobbsee> yes, it does
[03:10] <bddebian> cbx33: ?
[03:10] <cbx33> ok, swat i thought
[03:10] <cbx33> in Malone
[03:10] <Hobbsee> i think
[03:10] <Hobbsee> i'm pretty sure it does
[03:10] <Hobbsee> you have to mark it as fix released though
[03:10] <Hobbsee> ooh fun!
[03:10] <cbx33> he reckons a few more times and I'll be ready to take my test :D
[03:10] <bddebian> Driving??  Eeks
[03:10] <Hobbsee> yay!
[03:11] <Hobbsee> bddebian: how old are you?
[03:11] <cbx33> 24 and still no license
[03:11] <cbx33> married....
[03:11] <bddebian>  36
[03:11] <cbx33> but no driving license :p
[03:11] <cbx33> i seem to do things in the wrong order
[03:11] <bddebian> heh
[03:11] <cbx33> knowing my luck I'll get back later to fix this bug and it'll have already been fixed :S
[03:12] <cbx33> then I'll have to trawl through the 9000 other bugs to find one i can actully fix
[03:12] <cbx33> thing is I can program pretty well, but debugging a massive app is so difficult isn't it....even some of the smaller web based ones are tricky
[03:13] <bddebian> Weird, now gcx shows up in Applications -> Other
[03:13] <bddebian> cbx33: Have a go at an FTBFS if there are any
[03:14] <bddebian> Usually they are just bad deps or such
[03:14] <cbx33> FTBFS ?
[03:14] <cbx33> ah i see
[03:14] <bddebian> Apparently fv is FTBFS
[03:14] <bddebian> FTBFS == Fails To Build From Source
[03:14] <cbx33> i'll look at some of thsoe
[03:14] <cbx33> yes i realised after you said
[03:14] <Hobbsee> very true
[03:27] <bddebian> So in my tiny-little mind celestia should have a .desktop for celestia-glut and celestia-gnome ?
[03:34] <cbx33> bddebian, is your mind that tiny?
[03:38] <bddebian> Yes. :-(
[03:39] <bddebian> bbiam, gotta run to the store
[04:16] <infinito> can anyone help me to get pkgs signed with gpg using pbuilder?
[04:34] <pef> infinito: what about  --debsign-k option of pdbuild ?
[04:39] <infinito> pef: thanks! i was always using pbuilder build to get the packages, didn't know about pdebuild
[04:53] <infinito> pef: im trying with this command 'pdebuild --auto-debsign --debsign-k 3F8220A1 --debbuildopts -S' but it fails on signing
[04:54] <pef> try --debbuildopts -Kxxx maybe
[04:57] <infinito> got this: debsign: Can't find or can't read changes file /var/cache/pbuilder/dapper/result//laptoptemp_0.7.0-1_i386.changes!
[05:05] <infinito> which command use MOTU people to build the packages?
[05:05] <pef> personnaly debuild and dpkg-buildpackage, and pbuilder to ensure all build-depends are ok on a fresh dapper
[05:07] <infinito> and when uploading to revu you use the files created with dpkg-buildpackage??
[05:08] <pef> you must upload xx_source.changes file
[05:08] <pef> using dput for example
[05:09] <infinito> pef: which debuild command do you use?
[05:09] <pef> infinito: have you read this ? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Packaging/Tips
[05:11] <infinito> pef: yes, but didnt realized about debuild
[05:11] <infinito> but it seems easy
[05:11] <infinito> thanks anyway for taking some time to answer these silly questions
[05:14] <pef> np :] 
[05:20] <siretart> slomo__: could you please approve schroot and sbuild?
[05:20] <siretart> slomo__: I'll be on vac next week
[05:20] <slomo__> siretart: i'm already looking at them currently :)
[05:20] <siretart> cool :)
[05:25] <infinito> can anyone review this? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2255
[05:36] <LaserJock_away> bddebian: go ahead and steal some karma, I'll try to catch up in Dapper+1 ;-)
[05:40] <Gloubiboulga> hi LaserJock
[05:40] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock:_)
[05:53] <bddebian> Who is Phil Bull?
[06:00] <slomo__> siretart: could you please approve glom? :)
[06:13] <siretart> slomo__: done
[06:14] <slomo__> siretart: thanks :)
[06:15] <LaserJock> bddebian: they guy that did the MOTUScience .desktops. He isn't on IRC very often.
[06:16] <bddebian> OK
[06:17] <LaserJock> bddebian: having problems with the .desktops?
[06:18] <infinito> is it possible for pkgs on REVU to get into ubuntu before dapper is released?
[06:18] <bddebian> LaserJock: I can't get it into the menu without an Application category
[06:21] <LaserJock> infinito: possible but it needs an Feature Freeze exception
[08:21] <bddebian> Damn I hate just waiting for stuff to build.. :-(
[08:22] <Se7h> lol
[08:22] <Se7h> hi bddebian
[08:22] <carthik> hey bddebian - any reason why a Gentoo grub bootsplash image should be in Ubuntu? (there is an easy bug for you to fix in grub-splashimages) :)
[08:23] <bddebian> d00d, I can't fix main stuff
[08:23] <bddebian> Heya Se7h
[08:23] <infinito> has anyone time to give this a review? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2255
[08:24] <carthik> bddebian, grub-splashimages is not in main, now, it is in Universe...
[08:24] <bddebian> Oh
[08:26] <bddebian> infinito: This is a new upstream release?
[08:26] <infinito> bddebian: yes
[08:28] <Se7h> dam
[08:28] <Se7h> python-pymedia is still as 'new' there
[09:07] <Yagisan> anyone seen minghua around lately ?
[09:07] <bddebian> Breifly yesterday/last night
[09:11] <Yagisan> bddebian: know any other scim / language-pack gurus here ?
[09:11] <Tonio_> hi everyone
[09:12] <Yagisan> G'day Tonio_
[09:12] <Gloubiboulga> salut Tonio_ :)
[09:12] <Tonio_> yop Yagisan, Gloubiboulga
[09:13] <bddebian> Heya Tonio_
[09:13] <bddebian> Yagisan: No, sorry :-(
[09:14] <bddebian> What's wrong with this line: ?  case `(ac_space=' '; set | grep ac_space) 2>&1` in
[09:19] <Yagisan> brb, trying to get CJK to work "out-of-the-box". funny, it was easier when this was in universe ...
[09:21] <Jhair> hi, I wanted to fill a bug against streamtuner which is in the universe. Wen trying to do this in malone the following was shown:  streamtuner does not use Malone as its bug tracker.  To report a bug about streamtuner, please use its official bug tracker.
[09:22] <Jhair> where should I fill a bug against the packaged streamtuner?
[09:22] <bddebian> Jhair: Are you filing under Ubuntu?
[09:22] <slomo__> Jhair: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/streamtuner/+filebug
[09:22] <Jhair> BTW, I don't know where "the official bug tracker" for streamtuner resides
[09:22] <Jhair> bddebian: yes ubuntu
[09:23] <Jhair> https://launchpad.net/products/streamtuner/+filebug
[09:23] <Jhair> slomo__: thanks I see... hmmmm
[09:24] <Yagisan> hmm it seems that if I want to type in a CJK language, I must have everything in CJK. :(
[09:24] <Jhair> slomo__: thanks! the bug was already filled: Bug #38001
[09:24] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 38001 in streamtuner "streamtuner unable to load station-plugins" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/38001
[09:30] <cbx33> hey all
[09:30] <bddebian> Hello cbx33
[09:30] <Gloubiboulga> hi cbx33
[09:30] <cbx33> hi bddebian Gloubiboulga
[09:32] <cbx33> guys can someone help me out with a chroot locales problem
[09:32] <cbx33> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11888
[09:33] <cbx33> I'm following this guide http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/appendix-chroot.html
[09:33] <cbx33> at the section where is says run this to configure the locales
[09:33] <cbx33> any ideas?
[09:34] <Yagisan> cbx33: it's harmless. It will default to the "C" locale
[09:34] <cbx33> ok
[09:34] <cbx33> i thought as much
[09:34] <cbx33> anyway to fix it?
[09:35] <cbx33> cos it's annoying :p - when you're expecting no output and you get that instead
[09:35] <Yagisan> cbx33: dpkg-reconfigurelocales didn't help ?
[09:35] <cbx33> no it didn;t
[09:35] <Yagisan> cbx33: try locale-gen
[09:36] <cbx33> ok done
[09:36] <cbx33> lemme see if that makes a diff
[09:36] <cbx33> nope
[09:37] <cbx33> what file is it looking to creat|
[09:45] <bddebian> aaaahhh Why don't I check Debian BTS first.. Grr
[09:49] <Gloubiboulga> bddebian, because you love fixing bugs yourself :)
[09:52] <bddebian> Gloubiboulga: Heh, good point :-)
[11:31] <pygi> slomo: not yet? =P
[11:32] <jmg> hi all
[11:36] <ajmitch> bddebian: but I thought you just fixed & uploaded gcx?
[11:36] <ajmitch> ignore that
[11:36] <ajmitch> morning jmg
[11:36] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[11:36] <ajmitch> hi bddebian
[11:37] <bddebian> Whoops, hello jmg also
[11:37] <ajmitch> bddebian: ignore that statement, was in scrollback somewhere :)
[11:37] <bddebian> NP :-)
[11:47] <ajmitch> bddebian: fixed all the universe bugs yet?