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| nictuku | hmm shouldn't ubuntu-server appear in http://lists.ubuntu.com ? | 01:46 |
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| psi_force | if ubuntu-server and ubuntu share the same repositories and installer, what is the purpose other then a specialised kernel package? | 04:39 |
| psi_force | if ubuntu-server and ubuntu share the same repositories and installer, what is the purpose other then a specialised kernel package? | 05:14 |
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| Bluekuja | hello to all | 11:44 |
| Bluekuja | i was testing the flight 6 release | 11:45 |
| Bluekuja | and i get an error during the installation | 11:45 |
| Bluekuja | it tells me that kernel modules cant be found | 11:45 |
| neuralis | Bluekuja: have you ran the 'check CD integrity' option? | 11:46 |
| Bluekuja | yes | 11:46 |
| Bluekuja | all ok | 11:46 |
| Bluekuja | i continued | 11:46 |
| Bluekuja | that point | 11:46 |
| Bluekuja | and i went to disk partition | 11:47 |
| Bluekuja | its loading the bar from about 10 minutes | 11:47 |
| Bluekuja | calculating space | 11:47 |
| Bluekuja | and then restart again | 11:47 |
| neuralis | hmm. i haven't tested flight6 yet, so i don't know what's the story with that; it'd be good if you could post a summary of your problem (and any relevant error messages) to the ML | 11:50 |
| Bluekuja | ok perfect | 11:50 |
| neuralis | Bluekuja: thanks | 11:50 |
| Bluekuja | np ;) | 11:51 |
| spike | bah, what could cause ssh to ask me again about " authenticity of host" if I already connected to that host once? but indeed it's not in .ssh/known_host | 11:53 |
| neuralis | spike: if you're connecting by ip or an alias, it'll still ask (until those are also in known_hosts). | 11:54 |
| spike | only thing I can think of is, because of it being a vmware image I use sporadically, that something else got the same ip and the 2 conflicted... | 11:54 |
| spike | neuralis: yeah, knew about that, but I've tried all of them just in case | 11:54 |
| spike | ip, hostname, fqdn | 11:54 |
| spike | since they added that patch to stop hostname harvesting it's not very easy to read known_hosts :/ | 11:55 |
| neuralis | more problematically, it's non-trivial to use hostnames from known_hosts in shell autocompletion. | 11:56 |
| neuralis | grumble. | 11:56 |
| spike | and no, no MITM or whatever, src and dst are safe pcs | 11:57 |
| spike | and I can verify the key manually, so I'm connecting to the right host etc (both local to me) | 11:57 |
| Bluekuja | done | 12:04 |
| Bluekuja | aww | 12:06 |
| Bluekuja | cant complete disk partitioning | 12:06 |
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| mon | hi | 05:19 |
| mon | im reinstalling my server. i just finished partitioning but the installer won't continue to the base installation | 05:19 |
| mon | how can i find out why it doesn't go on? | 05:20 |
| Bluekuja | flight 6? | 05:20 |
| mon | breezy | 05:20 |
| spike | anyody familiar with hd encryption? | 05:20 |
| Bluekuja | nope sorry :) | 05:20 |
| spike | I cant workout if dm-crypt is still unsafe compared to loop-aes | 05:20 |
| spike | considering the new cryptoloop stuff and LUKS | 05:20 |
| Bluekuja | im not familiar to hd encryp maybe mon yes | 05:21 |
| Bluekuja | but i dont think so :) | 05:21 |
| mon | nope never got into that stuff | 05:22 |
| mon | maybe i will if i get a new laptop sometime | 05:22 |
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| neuralis | spike: actually, loop-aes had its fair share of problems with weak keys, etc | 07:15 |
| neuralis | spike: afaik, dm-crypt is fine nowadays. | 07:15 |
| spike | neuralis: k, ta | 07:38 |
| spike | neuralis: you using dm-crypt with LUKS? | 07:38 |
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| neuralis | spike: yes, i use it | 09:22 |
| spike | neuralis: nice, how's it? any chance you've tried to compatibility with freeofte? | 09:24 |
| spike | neuralis: and one thing more, ever reviewed truecrypt? | 09:25 |
| neuralis | spike: freeofte should just work; i don't have windows installed, so i've never had reason to try it. | 09:28 |
| spike | and one more thing, even if I guess it's a bit more rh centric, yet *very* interesting | 09:29 |
| spike | neuralis: ever played with systemtap/frysk? | 09:29 |
| neuralis | they're neat toys | 09:30 |
| neuralis | still under very heavy development, though | 09:30 |
| Meyer | neuralis, heard you played a trick on OgMaciel at the LinuxWorld.. ;p lol | 09:31 |
| neuralis | Meyer: how'd you hear that? >:) | 09:32 |
| Meyer | he told me | 09:32 |
| Meyer | :) | 09:32 |
| Meyer | and he put in his blog that goes to the brazilian planet :P | 09:32 |
| spike | hi Meyer , iirc you and nictuku are behind nwu, right? would you mind a bit of chat about it? | 09:33 |
| Meyer | spike, sure.. go ahead | 09:34 |
| spike | Meyer: have you read this by any chance? https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-server/2006-January/000022.html | 09:35 |
| Meyer | nope.. lemme read it | 09:36 |
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| spike | Meyer: in short sw management is nice, but for anything bigger you want some sort of centralized config and system management, and that would include sw management | 09:41 |
| spike | Meyer: so I was wondering if and which way nwu could evolve, and in that case be a sort of duplication of what's mentioned on that post | 09:42 |
| Meyer | you should talk to yves (nictuku).. he's more into coding than i am.. | 09:44 |
| b3nw | any of you guys willing to install dhcp3-server quick to see if the install is still broken? | 09:44 |
| Meyer | i haven't coded taht much in nwu yet.. i've done mostly packaging and testing | 09:44 |
| neuralis | spike: centralized configuration management is (mostly) a solved problem, see e.g. cfengine | 09:44 |
| spike | neuralis: see that post :) | 09:45 |
| spike | neuralis: my point is cfengine solves sw updates as well, which makes nwu a sort of duplicate | 09:47 |
| neuralis | spike: i read the list. the post is not specific enough, doesn't consider the implications (as it admits), and doesn't translate to a good spec. | 09:48 |
| spike | neuralis: ok, so what would you like to see? | 09:48 |
| spike | a practical implementation design? | 09:48 |
| neuralis | spike: i want to see our server tools grow incrementally, in small chunks, and not introduce major new dependencies for supported software (e.g. ruby). | 09:49 |
| spike | neuralis: fair enough | 09:50 |
| neuralis | spike: this means that nwu, in its present form (just handling sw updates) is a reasonable target for edgy. | 09:50 |
| neuralis | spike: then for edgy+1, we can start looking at the other part(s) of the problem and building on top of nwu. | 09:50 |
| spike | neuralis: ok, I guess I'm missing something because "building on top of nwu" to me sounds like "we're gonna end up with some sort of cfengine custom made" | 09:52 |
| spike | I'm just saying I see room for much duplicated development, but I'm for sure missing the big picture, so I take you comments and that's all | 09:52 |
| spike | neuralis: that post is generic because it was a big topic, and the person that did it, me, is new to this sort of stuff | 09:53 |
| neuralis | spike: right. when i say 'building on top of nwu', the bigger point is growing incrementally, rather than duplicating functionality. we'll figure out what that means when we get there. | 09:54 |
| spike | and as a first step I think it was fine. a reply with pointers and I'd worked on something better considering implications and all | 09:54 |
| spike | k | 09:55 |
| neuralis | spike: it was a good post to get some thinking started. | 09:55 |
| spike | well I'll stay tuned and see if I can help in that area | 10:01 |
| Meyer | i seem not to be receiving all messages from the maillist | 10:01 |
| Meyer | ohh.. these are old messages :P | 10:02 |
| Meyer | sorry | 10:02 |
| Meyer | didnt look at the dates | 10:02 |
| Meyer | :P | 10:02 |
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