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[01:46] <nictuku> hmm shouldn't ubuntu-server appear in http://lists.ubuntu.com ?
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[04:39] <psi_force> if ubuntu-server and ubuntu share the same repositories and installer, what is the purpose other then a specialised kernel package?
[05:14] <psi_force> if ubuntu-server and ubuntu share the same repositories and installer, what is the purpose other then a specialised kernel package?
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[11:44] <Bluekuja> hello to all
[11:45] <Bluekuja> i was testing the flight 6 release
[11:45] <Bluekuja> and i get an error during the installation
[11:45] <Bluekuja> it tells me that kernel modules cant be found
[11:46] <neuralis> Bluekuja: have you ran the 'check CD integrity' option?
[11:46] <Bluekuja> yes
[11:46] <Bluekuja> all ok
[11:46] <Bluekuja> i continued
[11:46] <Bluekuja> that point
[11:47] <Bluekuja> and i went to disk partition
[11:47] <Bluekuja> its loading the bar from about 10 minutes
[11:47] <Bluekuja> calculating space
[11:47] <Bluekuja> and then restart again
[11:50] <neuralis> hmm. i haven't tested flight6 yet, so i don't know what's the story with that; it'd be good if you could post a summary of your problem (and any relevant error messages) to the ML
[11:50] <Bluekuja> ok perfect
[11:50] <neuralis> Bluekuja: thanks
[11:51] <Bluekuja> np ;)
[11:53] <spike> bah, what could cause ssh to ask me again about " authenticity of host" if I already connected to that host once? but indeed it's not in .ssh/known_host
[11:54] <neuralis> spike: if you're connecting by ip or an alias, it'll still ask (until those are also in known_hosts).
[11:54] <spike> only thing I can think of is, because of it being a vmware image I use sporadically, that something else got the same ip and the 2 conflicted...
[11:54] <spike> neuralis: yeah, knew about that, but I've tried all of them just in case
[11:54] <spike> ip, hostname, fqdn
[11:55] <spike> since they added that patch to stop hostname harvesting it's not very easy to read known_hosts :/
[11:56] <neuralis> more problematically, it's non-trivial to use hostnames from known_hosts in shell autocompletion.
[11:56] <neuralis> grumble.
[11:57] <spike> and no, no MITM or whatever, src and dst are safe pcs
[11:57] <spike> and I can verify the key manually, so I'm connecting to the right host etc (both local to me)
[12:04] <Bluekuja> done
[12:06] <Bluekuja> aww
[12:06] <Bluekuja> cant complete disk partitioning
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[05:19] <mon> hi
[05:19] <mon> im reinstalling my server. i just finished partitioning but the installer won't continue to the base installation
[05:20] <mon> how can i find out why it doesn't go on?
[05:20] <Bluekuja> flight 6?
[05:20] <mon> breezy
[05:20] <spike> anyody familiar with hd encryption?
[05:20] <Bluekuja> nope sorry :)
[05:20] <spike> I cant workout if dm-crypt is still unsafe compared to loop-aes
[05:20] <spike> considering the new cryptoloop stuff and LUKS
[05:21] <Bluekuja> im not familiar to hd encryp maybe mon yes
[05:21] <Bluekuja> but i dont think so :)
[05:22] <mon> nope never got into that stuff
[05:22] <mon> maybe i will if i get a new laptop sometime
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[07:15] <neuralis> spike: actually, loop-aes had its fair share of problems with weak keys, etc
[07:15] <neuralis> spike: afaik, dm-crypt is fine nowadays.
[07:38] <spike> neuralis: k, ta
[07:38] <spike> neuralis: you using dm-crypt with LUKS?
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[09:22] <neuralis> spike: yes, i use it
[09:24] <spike> neuralis: nice, how's it? any chance you've tried to compatibility with freeofte?
[09:25] <spike> neuralis: and one thing more, ever reviewed truecrypt?
[09:28] <neuralis> spike: freeofte should just work; i don't have windows installed, so i've never had reason to try it.
[09:29] <spike> and one more thing, even if I guess it's a bit more rh centric, yet *very* interesting
[09:29] <spike> neuralis: ever played with systemtap/frysk?
[09:30] <neuralis> they're neat toys
[09:30] <neuralis> still under very heavy development, though
[09:31] <Meyer> neuralis, heard you played a trick on OgMaciel at the LinuxWorld.. ;p lol
[09:32] <neuralis> Meyer: how'd you hear that? >:)
[09:32] <Meyer> he told me
[09:32] <Meyer> :)
[09:32] <Meyer> and he put in his blog that goes to the brazilian planet :P
[09:33] <spike> hi Meyer , iirc you and nictuku are behind nwu, right? would you mind a bit of chat about it?
[09:34] <Meyer> spike, sure.. go ahead
[09:35] <spike> Meyer: have you read this by any chance? https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-server/2006-January/000022.html
[09:36] <Meyer> nope.. lemme read it
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[09:41] <spike> Meyer: in short sw management is nice, but for anything bigger you want some sort of centralized config and system management, and that would include sw management
[09:42] <spike> Meyer: so I was wondering if and which way nwu could evolve, and in that case be a sort of duplication of what's mentioned on that post
[09:44] <Meyer> you should talk to yves (nictuku).. he's more into coding than i am..
[09:44] <b3nw> any of you guys willing to install dhcp3-server quick to see if the install is still broken?
[09:44] <Meyer> i haven't coded taht much in nwu yet.. i've done mostly packaging and testing
[09:44] <neuralis> spike: centralized configuration management is (mostly) a solved problem, see e.g. cfengine
[09:45] <spike> neuralis: see that post :)
[09:47] <spike> neuralis: my point is cfengine solves sw updates as well, which makes nwu a sort of duplicate
[09:48] <neuralis> spike: i read the list. the post is not specific enough, doesn't consider the implications (as it admits), and doesn't translate to a good spec.
[09:48] <spike> neuralis: ok, so what would you like to see?
[09:48] <spike> a practical implementation design?
[09:49] <neuralis> spike: i want to see our server tools grow incrementally, in small chunks, and not introduce major new dependencies for supported software (e.g. ruby).
[09:50] <spike> neuralis: fair enough
[09:50] <neuralis> spike: this means that nwu, in its present form (just handling sw updates) is a reasonable target for edgy.
[09:50] <neuralis> spike: then for edgy+1, we can start looking at the other part(s) of the problem and building on top of nwu.
[09:52] <spike> neuralis: ok, I guess I'm missing something because "building on top of nwu" to me sounds like "we're gonna end up with some sort of cfengine custom made"
[09:52] <spike> I'm just saying I see room for much duplicated development, but I'm for sure missing the big picture, so I take you comments and that's all
[09:53] <spike> neuralis: that post is generic because it was a big topic, and the person that did it, me, is new to this sort of stuff
[09:54] <neuralis> spike: right. when i say 'building on top of nwu', the bigger point is growing incrementally, rather than duplicating functionality. we'll figure out what that means when we get there.
[09:54] <spike> and as a first step I think it was fine. a reply with pointers and I'd worked on something better considering implications and all
[09:55] <spike> k
[09:55] <neuralis> spike: it was a good post to get some thinking started.
[10:01] <spike> well I'll stay tuned and see if I can help in that area
[10:01] <Meyer> i seem not to be receiving all messages from the maillist
[10:02] <Meyer> ohh.. these are old messages :P
[10:02] <Meyer> sorry
[10:02] <Meyer> didnt look at the dates
[10:02] <Meyer> :P
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