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[01:29] <Tm_T> apachelogger: ping
[01:29] <Tm_T> ah, unping
[01:29] <apachelogger> urm
[01:29] <apachelogger> rm -rf /schedule/#kubuntu-devel/pong
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[01:30] <Tm_T> =)
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[01:31] <Riddell> apachelogger: /msg
[01:31] <apachelogger> sec
[01:32] <Tm_T> apachelogger: son, why you're not sleeping?
[01:32] <apachelogger> Tm_T: business mom ;-)
[01:32] <Tm_T> =)
[01:32] <Tm_T> businees =)
[01:34] <apachelogger> hm
[01:34] <apachelogger> make it busyness ;-)
[01:35] <Tm_T> the same ;)
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[02:23] <jdong> can a developer look at 38872, please? I've found the patch from CVS that fixes the problem, so it should be a pretty simple upload
[02:23] <jdong> thanks in advance
[02:24] <Tm_T> hmm
[02:24] <Tm_T> launchpad #38872
[02:24] <Tm_T> :o
[02:24] <Tm_T> bug  #38872
[02:24] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 38872 in gtk-qt-engine gtk2-engines-gtk-qt "scroll arrows missing from some elements" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/38872
[02:24] <Tm_T> malone :)
[02:25] <Tm_T> jdong: I'll check that tomorrow a bit, if you ping me :)
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[02:26] <Tm_T> jdong: that means remind me in 9 hours from now and I do testing
[02:26] <Tm_T> thanks
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[02:50] <Riddell> apachelogger: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2257
[02:50] <Riddell> apachelogger: add some man pages and that should be about done
[02:53] <apachelogger> k, thx
[02:55] <Riddell> file-in-unusual-dir usr/plugins/geddei/libmir.so  hmm, not good
[02:56] <apachelogger> shouldn't it be in /usr/share/qt3?
[02:57] <Riddell> can't be share
[02:57] <Riddell> should be /usr/lib/qt3/plugins maybe
[03:07] <Riddell> hmm, I can't get amarok to do anything except use excessive amounts of CPU
[03:08] <Riddell> oh well, bed time
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[05:19] <Tm_T> =)
[05:19] <Tm_T> woohoo
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[06:59] <marseillai> Riddell: amarok1.4beta3 is so cute to me! it's the first time it doesn't use too much memory and it doesn't crash after a complete night of playing music!!!
[07:00] <Hobbsee> hi marseillai 
[07:00] <marseillai> hi Hobbsee
[07:00] <marseillai> it's little morning for me
[07:00] <marseillai> i've to go to school and perhaps pass my exam...
[07:00] <Hobbsee> it's early morning for riddell, too, so he's probably not awake
[07:02] <marseillai> i know
[07:02] <marseillai> but i hope he'll see the highlight
[07:02] <marseillai> and this is not a reall important things
[07:02] <Hobbsee> true
[07:02] <marseillai> just an answer to his last sentences
[07:03] <marseillai> have a good day ....
[07:04] <Hobbsee> you too
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[07:19] <yuriy> hi, i just ran into a bug in amarok (1.4 SVN) and was about to file it for amarok in the kde database, but realized it was actually a problem with gstreamer (i think..).  so where do i file?
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[11:34] <freeflying> koffice-1.5.0 is in debian now 
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[11:36] <theine> Hi, is http://kubuntu.org/packages/koffice-15 the actual release?
[11:39] <Riddell> theine: it's in testing, please let me know if you manage to install it and if it works
[11:46] <theine> Riddell: So far, installation went fine
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[12:46] <Den> Any KDE Kubuntu developers here?
[12:54] <Den> Anyone here at all?
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[02:23] <theine> Hi, is there something like a kded event log?
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[02:24] <Riddell> theine: nope
[02:25] <Hobbsee> hi Riddell!
[02:26] <theine> Riddell: that's unfortunate, on my Dapper system kded crashes from time to time and I'd like to know the reason for that
[02:27] <Riddell> theine: there should be a backtrace
[02:27] <Riddell> hi Hobbsee 
[02:28] <theine> Riddell: where would i find the backtrace?
[02:29] <OdyX> Riddell: just installed Amarok 1.4-beta3 - Dynamic mode disappeared !
[02:30] <Riddell> theine: drkonqi should pop up
[02:30] <Riddell> OdyX: what's that?
[02:30] <theine> Riddell: I doesn't seem to do so
[02:30] <jjesse> morning :)
[02:31] <OdyX> Riddell: it's the mode where Amarok does add automagically tracks to your playlist depending on what you heard before.
[02:31] <jjesse> works liek an ipod shuffle 
[02:32] <OdyX> Riddell: it was BEST feature on Amarok 1.3 ... but I cannot find it ...
[02:33] <Hobbsee> Riddell: where can people help you out the most?
[02:33] <Hobbsee> ie, where's most useful to help out?
[02:38] <OdyX> Riddell: OK. Found it. Is now in playlists... Sorry for flood.
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[02:39] <Riddell> Hobbsee: help with espresso :)
[02:39] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what does that involve?
[02:39] <Hobbsee> killing off data, aka testing?
[02:39] <hunger_> What is up with kubuntu.de?
[02:39] <jj__> Hi - What's the correct way to wipe KDE off KUbuntu & reinstall it?  I did apt-get remove libqt3-mt, apt-get install kubuntu-desktop, but that isn't cvorrect - it leaves me with a logged in desktop with no taskbar, no start menu, & just one window with console, but no top bar to grab & move it - This is on Dapper.  -  Any idea how to install KDE properly on Ub Dapper?
[02:40] <Hobbsee> purge .kde if you havent already...
[02:40] <hunger_> jj__: I'd use debfoster... but that is more of a question for the user channel.
[02:41] <Hobbsee> hunger_: there wasnt a response there, really
[02:41] <jj__> Hobbsee: Exactly what command to purge .kde?
[02:41] <jj__> hunger : What is debfoster?
[02:41] <Hobbsee> jj__: cd && cd .kde && rm -rf * && cd .. && rmdir .kde
[02:41] <hunger_> jj__: .kde is the config dir that all kde apps use. rm -rf ~/.kde will purge it.
[02:42] <Hobbsee> oh ok, so it does work that way?
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[02:42] <hunger_> jj__: debfoster is a non-GUI app that can be used to remove debs incl. all the stuff that is installed as a dependency for that deb.
[02:43] <Riddell> Hobbsee: being an elite debconf/pykde coder
[02:43] <hunger_> jj__: removing kubuntu-desktop with debfoster should kill most of kde... maybe you will need to get rid of some extra kde apps not part of that and some qt apps though.
[02:44] <Hobbsee> Riddell: haha right
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[02:44] <jj__> hunger Hobbsee: Actually, I'd already done "mv .kde kdeoriginal", so there was no .kde there when I did the /etc/init.d/kdm start   -   Soooo, Any other suggestions?  Some part of KDE seems to be missing, or not configured, yes?
[02:45] <Hobbsee> jj__: happen to have a flight cd on you?
[02:45] <jj__> Hobbsee: yes, but I'd like to make sure that this can be done just by installing the correct metapackage - that's the right way it should work, correct??
[02:46] <jj__> Is there a kubuntu developer here who knows _for_sure_ the exsact correct way to apt install the KDE system on top of ubuntu?????  If so, please tell me. :) Thanks!
[02:47] <Riddell> jj__: we have told you.  this isn't a user support channel.  if you have a problem explain what it is in #kubuntu
[02:48] <Riddell> Hobbsee: why do you ask?
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[02:49] <Hobbsee> Riddell: it's just hard to know where to help out.  and we're still getting lots of complaints about the current usplash/background/theme - about it being too blue, etc
[02:49] <Hobbsee> FYI
[02:49] <Riddell> Hobbsee: kwwii will be working on refining the palette
[02:49] <Riddell> Hobbsee: triaging bugs is probably the most useful thing for a non-coder to be able to do
[02:50] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yeah, i know, cool - i just hope it happens in time!
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[02:50] <jj__> Riddell: I've done that, and gotten no successful advice there - that's why I've come here - hoping to find someone with the knowledge to anser the question definitively.
[02:50] <Riddell> Hobbsee: there's loads of bugs assigned to me that deserve a response but I've not been able to
[02:50] <Hobbsee> hehe yeah
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[03:43] <Hobbsee> all boring...lol
[03:46] <Riddell> wish I could do the same
[03:48] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:48] <Hobbsee> you had to respond to it, too!
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[03:49] <Riddell> if I ever meet an osnews editor I may be tempted to do so
[03:49] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:50] <Riddell> but that's most unquakerly, stop corrupting my innocent mind!
[03:50] <marseillai_> Riddell: i don't know if you've try! but amarok beta3 is a real beauty for is lightness!!!!! the first time that i can let him always launch in background!
[03:50] <marseillai_> no memory leak at all
[03:50] <marseillai_> .....
[03:51] <Riddell> marseillai_: currently running at 48% CPU usage for me :(
[03:51] <Riddell> but that's with the mood plugin thing
[03:51] <Hobbsee> Riddell: LOL!  But why?  Bashing people up works wonderfully - ask my supervisor at work on friday night...
[03:51] <marseillai_> reading mp3 ?
[03:51] <Hobbsee> amarok seems to be working nicely here
[03:51] <marseillai_> without this mood pluggin and to me it's so so light
[03:51] <marseillai_> i really enjoy it
[03:51] <Hobbsee> argh!!!!
[03:52] <marseillai_> mistake ?
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[03:52] <Hobbsee> and my parents are asleep1
[03:52] <marseillai_> argh!!! didn't see..... krfb crash .... again ......
[03:53] <marseillai_> restart X is more easy
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[03:53] <Hobbsee> you always get a splash screen, no matter what the splash screen setting is set to...
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[03:56] <Hobbsee> 9% CPU usage of amarok though - that's pretty good
[03:56] <marseillai> lol
[03:56] <marseillai> of course there are kernel and X update .....
[03:56] <marseillai> so i didn't have to restart X! :)
[03:56] <Hobbsee> actually, bashing people up is the most effective when they've had a flushot that day :P
[03:57] <Hobbsee> marseillai: you're only getting the kernel update now?
[03:57] <marseillai> Hobbsee: since the moment i tell you i leave i wasn't on my computer
[03:58] <marseillai> and when i leave this morning there was no update to do
[03:58] <Hobbsee> oh ok
[03:58] <Hobbsee> i got that kernel update on the gb mirrors a few days ago...
[03:58] <marseillai> i'm on french mirror
[03:59] <Hobbsee> yeah i figured you would be - i was surprised it was so far behind
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[04:22] <Riddell> oh good, osnews published a nicer second story
[04:23] <OdyX> Riddell: URL ?
[04:23] <Riddell> osnews.com
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[04:25] <Hobbsee> oh good
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[05:43] <marseillai> i think k3b should include in his dependencies k3b-mp3 .....
[05:44] <freeflying-ibook> marseillai: k3b-mp3 in main now ?
[05:44] <marseillai> in dapper libk3b2-mp3
[05:44] <marseillai> in universe it's thrue
[05:44] <marseillai> .....
[05:44] <marseillai> sorry for the mistake
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[06:46] <Flosoft> hey
[06:46] <Flosoft> does the release of Amarok work again with Dapper?
[06:46] <OdyX> I hear my music on 1.4-beta3
[06:47] <OdyX> works well.
[06:47] <Flosoft> :)
[06:47] <Flosoft> as before the installer didn't work
[06:47] <Flosoft> eh the install
[06:47] <Flosoft> why isn't it immediatly in Dapper?
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[06:49] <OdyX> ?
[06:49] <OdyX> installer ?
[07:04] <marseillai> loul
[07:04] <marseillai> already a new version of amarok! :D
[07:04] <marseillai> 1.4beta3b
[07:04] <marseillai> :D
[07:04] <OdyX> marseillai: update ?
[07:04] <marseillai> nop
[07:05] <marseillai> on kde-apps
[07:05] <OdyX> marseillai: tsss.
[07:05] <OdyX> OK.
[07:05] <OdyX> :D
[07:05] <marseillai> sont vraiment productifs les developpeurs amarok ......
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[07:11] <Flosoft> Amarok doesn't work on my PC
[07:11] <Flosoft> it crashes
[07:12] <marseillai> Flosoft: try to remove your config file 
[07:12] <Flosoft> where is that one?
[07:14] <marseillai> ~/.kde/share/config/amarokrc and ~/.kde/share/apps/amarok/
[07:14] <marseillai> just make mv
[07:14] <marseillai> not rm
[07:14] <Flosoft> worked :)
[07:14] <Flosoft> thx
[07:14] <marseillai> ur welcome
[07:18] <Flosoft> ow ... I deleted it :S
[07:18] <Flosoft> now it gives me an error with my mysql connection
[07:18] <Flosoft> reinstall amarok?
[07:18] <Flosoft> as the config of my mysql is correct
[07:19] <Flosoft> ow ... works again
[07:19] <Flosoft> I have to say ... The amaroK devs have again done a great job
[07:21] <Flosoft> especially it finally gives back the errors from musicbrainz :)
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[07:39] <Tonio_> hello all
[07:40] <Lure> hi Tonio_
[07:40] <Tonio_> fine lure ?
[07:40] <Tonio_> Lure: we need to get that knetworkmanager in main :)
[07:41] <Tonio_> Lure: no reviews yet......
[07:41] <Lure> yep
[07:41] <Lure> I was just looking on the wiki page - quite some packages waiting in line...
[07:41] <Lure> It probably takes time to get them reviewed
[07:41] <Lure> I am not overly concerned - as GNOME has it, we will get it also ...;-)
[07:42] <Tonio_> Lure: our three packages are real emergencies
[07:42] <Tonio_> kmplayer can wait a bit more but wlassistant and knetworkmanager are really important
[07:43] <Lure> I am just looking at issues of non-KDE programs with kio, like bug 15451
[07:43] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 15451 in kubuntu-meta kubuntu-desktop "Kubuntu / KDE SMB network error using openoffice word docs" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/15451
[07:43] <Lure> is there really nothing we can do to get around this?
[07:44] <Tonio_> Lure: ping kde to make them stop using those kios ;)
[07:44] <Tonio_> Lure: honnestly, there is nothing we can do on that point....
[07:45] <Tonio_> this is a long debate, and until kde manages that better, except patching every applications we can't do more
[07:45] <Lure> I have seen some mentioning of using differen % variable in .desktop, but not sure how this would work
[07:45] <Tonio_> Lure: hum.......... that works "theorically", but kaffeine doesn't manages that correctly for example
[07:45] <Tonio_> kate neither
[07:46] <Tonio_> so except that from working in gnome apps is a dream ;)
[07:47] <Lure> Tonio_: I plan to upload new powersave to your repo today - then I think we are ready for UVFe
[07:48] <Tonio_> Lure: nice ;)
[07:48] <Tonio_> plz do :)
[07:49] <Lure> who can request UVFe - just MOTU? 
[07:49] <Lure> and do we need revu first?
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[07:49] <Tonio_> Lure: no need to review first if you are a motu, cause updates don't require revuing (if you are a motu of course)
[07:50] <Tonio_> just ask for ufve
[07:50] <Lure> I am not MOTU, nor member - will you do this?
[07:50] <Lure> ;-)
[07:50] <Tonio_> Lure: sure
[07:50] <Tonio_> :)
[07:51] <Tonio_> Lure: what on earth are you waiting for becoming member ???????
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[07:52] <Lure> I need to look into what does it require to get a member (just seen the CoC discussions, but need to read the paperwork ;-))
[07:53] <Lure> I do not understand vt n-m guys like cable for wired icon - even KDE version will stick with it - see https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=146224
[07:53] <Lure> s/vt/why/
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[08:33] <raphink> Lure: I'm going to check your k-d-s contrib
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[08:33] <Lure> raphink: great - it is not much really (just replaced wallpaper) - it just makes my high-res display nicer ;-)
[08:33] <raphink> ok
[08:35] <raphink> Lure: did you test that switching to png doesn't break any settings?
[08:35] <raphink> did you test with a clean profile for ex?
[08:35] <Lure> actually not - just by removing the ksplash cache and reboot
[08:36] <Lure> I can test it with new user now
[08:36] <raphink> sure
[08:36] <raphink> please do
[08:36] <raphink> i don't have such a big screen
[08:36] <raphink> but I'll test too
[08:36] <raphink> ;)
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[08:38] <raphink> lol
[08:38] <raphink> let me build it
[08:40] <Lure> raphink: it works - both wallpaper and ATI ;-)
[08:40] <raphink> cool
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[08:40] <raphink> ATI?
[08:40] <raphink> what did you change about this?
[08:40] <Lure> nothing, but X server has problem on stop or when new one is started - it hang the whole system
[08:41] <raphink> ah ok
[08:41] <raphink> what are these bugs you talk about in the mail?
[08:41] <Lure> this happens 20% with "ati" driver and 100% with fglrx
[08:41] <raphink> malone 35123 and 35133.
[08:41] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 35123 in xserver-xorg-driver-ati "Garbage on KDM screen" [Normal,Rejected]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/35123
[08:41] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 35133 in kdebase ksplash "Kubuntu splash screen mal-formatted" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/35133
[08:41] <Lure> these are two reports that will get resolved when you commit
[08:42] <Lure> first one is just wrongly reported on ati...
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[08:42] <raphink> so changing the background fixes both these bugs?
[08:43] <raphink> the first bug was rejected though Lure
[08:48] <Lure> raphink: yes it fixes both
[08:48] <raphink> then  you shoudl mention it in the changelog for the package
[08:48] <Lure> true, rejected one was for wrong package (ati)
[08:48] <raphink> at the end of the entre
[08:49] <raphink> entry
[08:49] <raphink> just add (Closes: Malone #xxxxx and #xxxx)
[08:49] <Lure> actually I have first done the package then I recalled that there were bugs opened and was searching for some time to find it....
[08:49] <Lure> but yes, we should add it - can you do it before upload?
[08:50] <raphink> sure
[08:51] <Lure> I still do not get this change log thing completely
[08:51] <raphink> hehe it's ok
[08:51] <Lure> for example: if I take debian poversave package and merge it with ubuntu changes, should I use debian change log, or just ubuntu one?
[08:52] <Lure> I am just doing 0.12.7 -> 0.12.11 upgrade, but I am not sure what is correct
[08:52] <Lure> and then I heard that changelog should only be one per upload, which makes it even harder...
[08:52] <raphink> I'll test the package Lure
[08:52] <raphink> I'll brb
[08:56] <raphink> Lure: I'll test the package after I dinner
[08:56] <raphink> later
[08:59] <Lure> raphink: ok
[09:01] <Riddell> Mez: poke
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[09:40] <yuriy> Riddell: i see the kio issue with non-kde apps was brought up above again.  I understand the real fix is needed on the KDE side, but what about the thing with changing the /%f in the .desktop files for non-kde apps?  That's something you can do that'd solve several bugs, what is the issue with doing that?
[09:41] <yuriy> oops that's  not underline
[09:41] <yuriy> ugh
[09:41] <yuriy> \
[09:41] <yuriy> sorry but i think you can guess what i was trying to type
[09:48] <Riddell> yuriy: it might work if we add X-KDE-Protocols= to the .desktop files to limit the protocols that KDE will pass it
[09:48] <yuriy> ahh amarok-gstreamer is finally included with beta3, great, thank you!
[09:49] <Riddell> yuriy: the developers may well remove it from the final release
[09:52] <yuriy> Riddell: I don't know much/anything about it, but why NOT do the X-KDE-Protocols= thing? does it break something else?
[09:53] <Riddell> yuriy: I just havn't had time to try it yet, please do test it
[09:53] <Riddell> you might need to google to find the syntax and if it really exists
[09:54] <yuriy> Riddell: ok, but where are these .desktop files located?
[09:55] <Riddell> yuriy: /usr/share/applications{,/kde}
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[10:25] <kmon> kubuntu.de is down, except for the infamous message... :(
[10:25] <kmon> it's a shame the issue is not yet solved
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[10:30] <apachelo1ger> kmon: do we know what?
[10:31] <apachelo1ger> amu said he will take it down for one week anyway afaik
[10:35] <kmon> it has had bad press, in osnews, distrowatch...
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[10:36] <kmon> it's a shame because it hurts kubuntu reputation
[10:36] <kmon> that's all I'm saying
[10:36] <kmon> at least that's my 2
[10:38] <Riddell> kmon: it has been solved
[10:38] <raphink> Lure: uploading k-d-s
[10:39] <kmon> then I don't understand why their website is down and the message sent to the lists is up
[10:39] <kmon> anyway,... glad to hear that Riddell
[10:40] <kmon> Kubuntu is the best disto ;)
[10:40] <raphink> hehe
[10:41] <robotgeek> Docs ready for translation :)
[10:41] <raphink> robotgeek: great
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[10:42] <robotgeek> heh, i can't translate unfortunately
[10:42] <raphink> heh
[10:42] <robotgeek> maybe dapper + 6 or so
[10:44] <Riddell> kmon: where on distrowatch?
[10:44] <kmon> in the weekly news
[10:45] <kmon> Riddell: http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=current#1
[10:46] <robotgeek> <sigh>
[10:46] <Riddell> ye gods
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[11:05] <marseillai> anyone here use krfb on dapper with kubuntu 3.5.2 ?
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[11:29] <Lure> raphink: thanks for k-d-s upload
[11:30] <raphink> you're welcome
[11:33] <Lure> raphink: it looks like latest powersave does not build on ppc: http://forge.novell.com/pipermail/powersave-users/2006-April/000060.html
[11:33] <raphink> yes I saw your message
[11:33] <raphink> I'll have ae look at it later
[11:33] <Lure> you should probably wait another release 
[11:44] <kmon> (current development version) +1 is always the best distro ;)
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[11:59] <kmon> amarok1.4 beta3 shows a splash image, even if it's not selected in the preferences. Known bug?
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[12:01] <Riddell> kmon: yes, it's been reported
[12:01] <Riddell> the amarok people say it's a kubuntu bug, no idea why that would be