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theCoreLaserJock: gedit default Tabs at 8 character12:09
LaserJockuggh12:09
LaserJockand it doesn't replace with spaces?12:10
LaserJockI usually like a 2 or 3 space tab12:11
theCore3 spaces ?12:13
theCoreuggh12:13
LaserJockwhat do you use?12:13
theCoreit depend what I edit12:13
LaserJockwhat do you usually use for a line width?12:14
theCorebut I try to keep my Tabs at 8 char12:14
theCore80 char12:14
theCore70 char for Text file12:14
LaserJockit seems like with 8 space tabs you loose a lot of space for writing12:15
LaserJockI usually do something like 100 char line widths to compensate for the tabs12:16
theCorewell, if you use more than 4 tabs in a line, you have a problem anyways12:16
LaserJockI suppose12:17
LaserJockIt is just easier for me if I use 4 space tabs max12:18
mdke_mmm? I use lots more than 4 tabs in a line sometimes12:21
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theCoremdke_: for XML, I use 2 spaces12:23
mdke_hmm12:24
mdke_sounds like a good idea12:24
LaserJockI think it might be nice to have a set of recommended values (tabs, line widths) for the various editors (gedit, emacs, and vim)12:26
poningrumdke_: are you not maintaining the laptop testing page for presario 2100?12:26
poningruit seemed to have moved to the nonmaintained area12:27
poningrujust making sure before I make a new partition on my laptop and switch it to dapper12:27
mdke_poningru, I haven't updated it much recently, everything works on it12:29
poningruoh ok12:29
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poningruok nm12:42
poningrukb theCore porfavor12:42
Seveasmdke_, feel free to kickban theCore, he has been annoying on other channels too12:42
mdkeSeveas, thanks for the permission12:42
Seveasmdke, rofl 12:42
Seveasthat was quite badly stated12:43
Seveasalmost sounded like i'm the policeman here :s12:43
mdkeit did indeed12:43
Seveasdidn't mean it that way12:43
SeveasI should get some sleep :/12:44
Seveastoo much irc work today12:44
Seveasmy apologies12:44
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mdkenp12:44
poningruok theCore still remains12:44
Seveasponingru, as long as he's not misbehaving: why not 12:45
mdkelikely to be someone else on his computer12:45
poningruoh really?12:45
poningrudidnt think about that nm then12:45
SeveasI'm even inclined to believe that, he never caused trouble before12:46
mdkehe's a valuable member of this channel, at any rate12:46
mdketheCore, an explanation wouldn't go amiss though12:47
theCoreargh, not again!12:48
SeveastheCore, you should lock your pc when you walk away from it 12:49
poningrutheCore: what happend?12:49
poningruchild and/or little sibling?12:49
theCoreSeveas: I forgot12:49
theCoremy brother again ...12:50
mdkenp, figured as much12:50
SeveastheCore, you should re-join #ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic12:50
theCoreSeveas: if this happen again, kick me as fast as possible12:50
SeveastheCore, already did that in those channels 12:51
Seveasbe glad you have a good reputation, otherwise the "it was my brother" excuse wouldn't help ;)12:51
LaserJocktheCore: again? bummer dude12:52
theCoreSeveas: btw, how do I remove my away status12:52
theCoreLaserJock: yes, him again12:53
SeveastheCore, /away12:53
LaserJockhas he been unpluging your computer still?12:53
theCoreSeveas: thanks12:53
theCoreLaserJock: I got a laptop now, tough to unplug ;)12:54
theCorenow he is laughing at me ...12:54
crimsunLaserJock: have you committed lately? I can't check yet.12:56
LaserJockcrimsun: not since last night.12:56
crimsunok. I pulled earlier, so I'll try to get to that if my Internet connectivity cooperates.12:56
LaserJockcrimsun: I haven't had a chance to commit the "getting started" diff yet. I probably will soon12:56
LaserJockcrimsun: as long as you keep doing one file at a time I think it will be fine.12:58
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theCoreLaserJock: I wrote something for the PG, today01:01
theCoreLaserJock: it's about how modify existing packages01:02
LaserJocktheCore: ah, send the diff if you can01:02
theCoreLaserJock: well, that the point, it still as plain text01:02
theCoreLaserJock: and I'm still wandering where I could include it01:03
LaserJocktheCore: Updating Packages01:03
theCoreLaserJock: it's not really about how to update package for the reposistory, but for making local changes to packages01:06
LaserJocktheCore: what do you mean by local changes01:06
theCoreLaserJock: doing package for yourself01:07
LaserJocktheCore: is it very long?01:07
theCoreLaserJock: no, but I want to add more stuff in it01:08
LaserJocktheCore: so maybe we should wait for after the branch and add it to Dapper+101:08
theCoreLaserJock: that's my plan01:08
LaserJocktheCore: ok, cool. just send it to me when your done01:09
theCoreLaserJock: I will do some exercises too01:11
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LaserJock_awayhmm, did anybody happen to see my Visibility of "how to contribute" email to -doc?01:49
BurgundaviaLaserJock_away: yep01:50
LaserJock_awayBurgundavia: did it make sense, or am I totally off-base?01:50
BurgundaviaI really only skim read it01:51
BurgundaviaI will reread it now01:51
BurgundaviaLaserJock_away: do you have a laptop that runs dapper01:51
Burgundavia?01:51
LaserJock_awayno, Windows :(01:51
Burgundaviaah, you poor bastard01:51
BurgundaviaI had some concrete ideas for the fridge that died due to lack of time01:52
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LaserJock_awayI've got 1 Windows laptop, 1 Windows desktop, 1 Dapper desktop, and 1 OSX intel mac at work01:53
Burgundaviabasically a "Doc of the wiki on the wiki"01:53
LaserJock_awayI really need to get aquanted with the Dapper docs so I can start referencing them more01:54
LaserJockI'm sorry my email is so long. I get very wordy in email it seems.01:55
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crimsunLaserJock: ping04:25
LaserJockyoh04:26
LaserJockcrimsun: pong04:27
crimsunLaserJock: http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/ch05s02.html#id2577039   -> The end of the first paragraph of Confirming problems seems ... odd04:27
crimsunDid you mean that to be a <title> instead?04:28
crimsuni.e., instead of: Forwarding bugs upstream </para>, use: <title>Forwarding bugs upstream</title>04:29
LaserJockcrimsun: ah, probably. I copy-n-pasted most of that section and then docbookized it04:29
crimsunok.04:29
LaserJockcrimsun: are you all the way to the Bugs section?04:32
crimsunLaserJock: this is the third file I'm editing04:32
crimsun(I rarely edit sequentially for the first pass)04:33
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Burgundaviaok, I am now officially scared. Canadians now have a Minister for Public Safety04:48
LaserJockwhy is that scary Burgundavia 04:54
Burgundaviahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Committee_of_Public_Safety04:55
Burgundaviaeverybody knows that minitries with names like "information" and "truth" and "public safety" usually do the opposite of what they appear04:55
crimsunit was only a matter of time04:57
LaserJockheh, I can imagine. That must be why they use Secretary in the uS04:57
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LaserJockcrimsun: man, your good. Thanks for the editing help.05:32
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LaserJockarghh, has anyone noticed that in yelp the sidebar uses <title> to set the section title but the TOC uses xreflabel ?07:13
MadpilotBurgundavia, nice political comment on the vlug list :P07:16
LaserJockMadpilot: how many vlug members are there?07:17
BurgundaviaMadpilot: had to get my digs in07:18
BurgundaviaLaserJock: 3507:18
Madpilotno idea, actually. VLUG = Victoria Linux Users, btw07:18
Burgundaviaish07:18
LaserJockMadpilot: I know, I've been around you and Corey long enough ;-)07:19
Burgundaviaabout 20 actually show up at meetings07:20
LaserJockI've never been to a LUG07:20
LaserJockI think there is one 2 hrs drive away from me, over the mountains in California07:20
Burgundaviaoh, wow --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Airplane_vortex_edit.jpg07:21
LaserJockthat is a nice pic07:22
MadpilotBurgundavia, and people think aerodynamics are boring07:22
Madpilot:P07:22
LaserJockheh, don't tell that to my grandpa, he built rockets in the 50's07:22
LaserJockman on the moon with a slide rule kinda guy07:23
Madpilotcool07:24
MadpilotCessnas are pretty tame, compared to rockets07:24
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LaserJockhe gave me his old slide rule and log tables not long ago07:24
LaserJockpretty cool07:24
Madpilot(but the Flying Club's new 172 is very shiny, and has very, very nice avionics)07:24
LaserJocklol, the only Cessna I've been in the first thing the pilot says is, "This thing is from Vientnam so if the door falls off it's ok"07:26
MadpilotI've had doors unlatch in flight on older 152s, it's not a big deal. The slipstream means it won't open too far, just an inch or so07:27
Burgundaviaok, this touchpad issue is driving me nuts07:32
Burgundaviabasically for about 3 seconds of out of 10, it simply stops responding07:32
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mdkeevery time you think a thread is gonna go quiet, some guy pops up and feels that he needs to reply to each mail on the thread separately09:11
Madpilotmdke, which thread? The long and getting silly "sudo is evil" thread?09:11
Kamping_Kaiserheh. still going? (hasnt read email for 3 days)09:12
mdkeyes09:12
Madpilotyou're not missing anything, Kamping_Kaiser 09:12
mdkeI've got like 20 mails from one guy on the same thread09:12
mdkepah09:12
Kamping_KaiserMadpilot: <grin> so it seems09:13
Madpilotapparently we're all supposed to have root accounts, with long and complicated passwords, to protect us from sudo - or something like that, anyway09:14
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mdkelooks like kubuntu.de is carrying out its threat11:46
mdkeweirdos11:47
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mdkehighvoltage, nice blog post01:10
robotgeekmorning authors01:22
highvoltagemdke: thanks, not sure how ppl would respond to it01:33
robotgeekhey highvoltage 01:34
highvoltagehi robotgeek 01:34
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robotgeekhighvoltage: how easy is to not make all posts get aggregated on p.u.c01:36
highvoltagerobotgeek: what do you mean?01:37
robotgeekhighvoltage: say, if i don't want every blog post of mine to go to planet.ubuntu.com01:38
highvoltagehmmm... i don't know.01:41
robotgeekhighvoltage: nvm, i'll ask seth. i think he did something similiar on wordpress, which is my blogging "platform"01:41
Kamping_Kaiserdo we have anything in the docs about how ubuntu Kubuntu+xubuntu are all the same system with a different ui? i just staretd to wonder now freeze has pasted ;)01:44
robotgeekKamping_Kaiser: hmm, in the intro. 01:45
Kamping_Kaiser* -d01:45
robotgeekKamping_Kaiser: but they are not, really :)01:45
Kamping_Kaiserrobotgeek: repeat after me "they are" ;)01:45
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robotgeekKamping_Kaiser: well, anyways it does say in KDG that Kubuntu = Ubuntu base + kde01:46
Kamping_Kaiserrobotgeek: i was thinking more something in /common/ as it should be a shared thing. *looks around the docs*01:47
robotgeekKamping_Kaiser: well, nothing there, i think01:47
robotgeekKamping_Kaiser: cause ubuntu-desktop tell people how to use Kubuntu, and vice versa :)01:48
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mptrobotgeek, set up an "Ubuntu" category and get Planet to syndicate that instead of syndicating your entire Weblog01:52
robotgeekmpt: awesome, i gotta find jdub though. i already emailed him twice 01:53
mdkeI'm not sure that planet supports categories01:54
mdkeyou might have to use a filter on topic01:54
robotgeeklet me check if i can get categoru feeds  :)01:54
mptyes, that's what I mean01:55
mptIn WordPress, every category has its own feed automatically01:55
mdkeah, well that will work01:55
mptand afaik, Planet only knows about feeds, not about Weblogs and categories and such01:55
mdkethe only thing planet doesn't manage to do is to separate categoriesw in a single feed01:55
mdkea separate feed would work fine01:55
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robotgeekpings, err01:56
robotgeekmpt: thanks, that was easy :)02:00
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mdkehi Unfrgiven02:14
mdkejust noticed you've applied for the ubuntu-doc launchpad group02:14
mdkethat group is the people who have access to the ubuntu-doc repository, I'm afraid we ask for people to submit some patches before granting access. You're very welcome to do so!02:15
mdkeonce you get granted svn access, you'll be added to the Launchpad group02:16
Unfrgivenmdke: Hi02:16
Unfrgivenmdke: I have been submitting patches to the Ubuntu Packaging Guide02:16
Unfrgivenmdke: I've been sending them to Laserjock02:16
mdkeUnfrgiven, cool! It would be good if you send them to the mailing list too, that way people can get to know you :)02:17
Unfrgivenmdke: I wrote the original IntroDeveloperDocs document from which the current Ubuntu Packaging Guide borrows pieces from02:17
mdkeeven cooler02:17
Unfrgivenmdke: yeah sorry about that. LaserJock told me to send diffs to him directly02:17
Unfrgivenmdke: i was hoping to become a member of the doc team so that I could upload my changes directly to svn. Laserjock said he was ok with this but i needed to be authorised.02:18
Unfrgivenmdke: in your eyes, am I eligible to be part of the team? or do I need to sumit patches to the list?02:19
mdkeUnfrgiven, I think we'd prefer you to submit some patches on the mailing list first, that way we can see that you know what you're doing with docbook xml and so on. It may be a formality, but I think it would help02:19
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mdkeUnfrgiven, also, are you an ubuntu member?02:20
mdkewe also ask that people get ubuntu membership before granting access02:20
Unfrgivenmdke: sure, no problem. would it speed things up if I sent you the patches Laserjock already incorporated? as a way of showing examples of my work?02:20
mdkeah, you are02:20
Unfrgivenmdke: yeah I am an Ubuntu member - since May 2005.02:20
mdkeUnfrgiven, no, don't resend the patches, I'm sure Jordan can vouch for you02:21
mdkeyou may be aware that our docs are frozen at the moment in any case, so you won't need commit access immediately :)02:21
mdkebut definitely hang around on the list, so that we can get to know you and see that you're familiar with our methodologies02:22
Unfrgivenmdke: oh yeah thats a good point. Laserjock mentioned that minor changes are still being accepted?02:22
Unfrgivenmdke: sure thing, will do.02:23
mdkein the case of the packaging guide, we're making some exceptions02:23
mdkebut it's best if Jordan does those exceptions, as the document's present maintainer02:23
Unfrgivenmdke: sure no problem.02:24
Unfrgivenmdke: ill send any further diffs to the list from now on02:25
mdkeUnfrgiven, great! welcome aboard02:25
Unfrgivenmdke: thanks :)02:25
mdkeit will be great to have new blood on the packagingguide :) LaserJock_away has had his work cut out trying to look after it by himself02:27
Unfrgivenmdke: yeah he has the poor guy02:28
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onkarshindeWhat is general process of cleaning up wiki. Should I add comment to remove a section or striaght away remove it?03:13
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onkarshindeWhat is general process of cleaning up wiki. Should I add comment to remove a section or striaght away remove it?03:16
Kamping_Kaiserdon't spam please03:17
Kamping_Kaiserand that would dpend what you mean by "clean up"03:17
onkarshindeSorry for spam. For ex. I just viewed MOTU Candidates page. Some packages have already made into dapper. So I wanted to remove them.03:18
Kamping_Kaiseri don't see a problem with removing an entry and commenting to say it's in - you might ike to check with the motus to make sure they don't have a special method for that page03:20
onkarshindeok. Also How can i add multiline comments (changelog) while saving a page? I mean I see sometimes comments with #01, #02 etc in them.03:21
Kamping_Kaiseri have no idea bout that I'm afraid03:22
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LaserJockmdke: ping?06:57
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LaserJockmdke_: quick question about your translations email? how are the translations for the common docs given to both kubuntu-docs and ubuntu-docs?08:56
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mdke_LaserJock, we get the translations from rosetta and then use them to create translated xml. then the packages get that in the usual way09:08
LaserJockmdke_: so the source packages get the translated xml?09:09
mdke_LaserJock, yes, everything is done like the english version09:09
LaserJockmdke_: ok, I'm getting my brain wrapped around translations :-)09:10
mdke_LaserJock, DocumentationTeam/Translation09:11
LaserJocknow I just need to learn some languages so I can help translate ;-)09:11
mdke_:)09:12
LaserJockheh, raphink was trying to get me to learn esperanto or  ido09:14
LaserJockand I'm trying to get some German in there too09:14
LaserJockbut it will be Dapper+10  before I could translate09:14
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frank23LaserJock: yeah translating is hard (technical stuff is even worse) and I basically have 2 native languages09:59
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frank23LaserJock: If you do a translation that is too literal it just sounds wrong yet you can't stray too much from the original10:02
LaserJockfrank23: yeah, I can imagine it is tough10:02
frank23and I never know if I should translate the technical terms or not.  10:03
LaserJockI hope some translations of the packaging guide can be done though, even though it has more technical material10:03
robotgeekyay..translation time!10:14
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frank23the only ubuntu doc I see available to translate in french is the server guide. the others are not available yet?10:22
mdkefrank23, they are all there. did you follow the links I posted10:23
mdke?10:23
frank23mdke: which links?10:24
LaserJockhttps://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/ubuntu-docs/+translations10:25
mdkefrank23, i mailed the links to translate the docs to the ubuntu-doc, ubuntu-translators, loco-contacts and rosetta-users mailing lists10:25
frank23mdke: I'll check10:26
frank23mdke: yeah it works10:29
mdkecool10:30
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frank23gmail is nice for mailing lists.. It makes threads from the emails10:53
mdkeyeah, I like that. evolution does it too10:54
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theCorefrank23: any good mail client do that10:58
frank23theCore: yeah? KMail too?10:59
theCorefrank23: well, I don't know11:00
theCorefrank23: but I bet it does11:01
frank23theCore: ok11:01
theCorefrank23: just dig the docs a little bit, and you will probably find how to set it11:01
theCorefrank23: else, KMail is not a good mail client11:02
frank23theCore: yeah I found the setting for it ;)11:04
trappistso does mutt11:08
trappistmutt's a great threader11:08
theCoretrappist: I had Mutt in head when I said good client11:09
trappist<3 mutt.  but I'm a kmail guy now.11:14
LaserJockI just haven't figured out mutt yet. I'm almost totally useless in it. I do much better with pine at this point, but I'd like to figure mutt out.11:16
trappistit's worth figuring out.  much like vim :)11:17
mdkeis there a mail client like gedit?11:18
theCore:D11:18
theCoremdke: write a mail client plugin for gedit ;)11:18
theCore(good luck)11:19
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LaserJockthat is the other mail client I haven't figured out. Evo hates my IMAP setup11:24
LaserJockso I stick to Mail.app and Thunderbird for the most part11:25
mdkei need imap email11:28
mdkei'm sick to death of my email provider11:28
mdkeit only does pop and I get loads of spam11:29
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LaserJockI recently got a gmail account, I still haven't figured out if I like it11:31
mdkei get loads of spam there too :-(11:31
mdkebut it's japanese spam, so that's nicer than normal spam11:31
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