[12:19] <thedarkener> what's up people!
[12:19] <thedarkener> WAKE UP! =p
[12:19] <juliux> thedarkener, whats up?
[12:20] <lns> nada mucho
[12:20] <lns> just got back doing an edubuntu install, 6 terminals online so far
[12:20] <juliux> great
[12:20] <lns> another 4-8 to go for this site
[12:21] <lns> and hopefully many more soon
[12:24] <mhz> cool news
[12:25] <mhz> juliux: hey mon! long time no see ya
[12:25] <mhz> (my fault though)
[12:26] <lns> ogra, you around?
[12:32] <lns> so can anyone link me to some documentation on customizing default things like desktop backgrounds for new users, ldm splash, etc?
[02:56] <are-12> hello all
[02:59] <are-12> i'm booting up fine, but get stalled at a login screen
[02:59] <are-12> are there demo accounts on the live cd (dapper flight 6)
[02:59] <are-12> ??
[03:26] <are-12> thanks for all the help
[04:25] <are-12> ah ... acording to the wiki (i'f i'm reading it right) i want to boot dapper live and select WORKSTATION, otherwise i boot into a (USELESS) thin client
[04:26] <are-12> not entirely intuitive, but makes sense
[04:27] <bimberi> are-12: ah, kk (did see your Q earlier but couldn't help)
[04:28] <are-12> aretwelve is at my office and i'm home now as are-12
[04:28] <are-12> so i'll have 16 hours of chat to scroll through when i get to werk
[04:30] <are-12> BUT ... the basic problem is, i boot up (defaults into live dapper flight 6, then x loads and i'm challenged for a user / pass  ... and no matter what ... nothing logs me on   ... as there's not thin client server on my netwerk
[04:31] <are-12> so i suppose i need to tell it to boot workstation style
[04:32] <are-12> is that "linux workstation"  or just "workstation" ???
[04:33] <are-12> (actually, i'm reading the install notes for 5.10 )   is 6.4(6?) more or less the same?
[04:33] <bimberi> are-12: sorry, i don't have the edubuntu livecd so I can't tell you.  I'd try "workstation" first.  Did you try "ubuntu" (or "edubuntu") with no password
[04:34] <are-12> yup ... same old "you need to check your capitalization" error
[04:34] <bimberi> kk
[04:36] <are-12> tried    demo / demo  and  admin / admin and ubuntu / ubuntu and ubuntu / <CR> and about 20 other combinations .... the problem is i'm not in a "desktop environment"  it's playing "thjin client"  (SURE MIGHT BE GOOD TO USE SOME OF THAT SCREEN REALESTATE TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THIS)
[04:43] <are-12> so lemme go try that ... wish me luck 
[04:43] <are-12> thanks all
[08:40] <JaneW> morning all
[08:40] <Burgundavia> salut JaneW
[08:41] <highvoltage> morning and salut!
[08:42] <Burgundavia> wow, shipit in the 2nd result for free linux cd
[08:43] <JaneW> what's first?
[08:44] <highvoltage> !google free linux cd
[08:44] <ubotu> highvoltage: Not a clue. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[08:44] <JaneW> heh
[08:45] <Burgundavia> that is ubuntu canada. YMMV
[08:45] <JaneW> it's 4th on altavista
[08:46] <JaneW> she runs a company
[08:46] <JaneW> and I said I had a CD with me
[08:46] <highvoltage> JaneW: i want some of your medication
[08:46] <JaneW> she asked if one of her tech guys could look at it
[08:47] <JaneW> and spent like 5 minutes convincing me that it would get used by an appropriate person, or they'd return it if they don't need it etc
[08:47] <JaneW> I had to eventually tell her 'It is FREE. Take it, keep it!'
[08:47] <highvoltage> hehe
[08:48] <JaneW> highvoltage: well actually my neck felt ok this morning, so I went for a short gentle run
[08:48] <highvoltage> i would even give her 5 more! :)
[08:48] <JaneW> I am completely drug-free today :))
[08:48] <highvoltage> that's brave!
[08:48] <lucasvo> JaneW: wow, nopain killers? 
[08:48] <JaneW> and feeling much more possitive
[08:48] <JaneW> yup
[08:48] <highvoltage> i thought your medication might be a cause for thinking that handing out cd's is funny :)
[08:48] <lucasvo> so the doctor actually helped you, and not just gave you painkillers(which is the normal procedure)
[08:49] <JaneW> highvoltage: heh
[08:49] <JaneW> lucasvo: well I went to a chiropractor and then physio
[08:49] <JaneW> the chiro actually didn;t want me to take meds, but I couldn;t think straight without them (or with them)
[08:50] <JaneW> I normally don't even take an asprin, but I was taking pain killers AND muscle relaxants
[08:50] <JaneW> I think I still have some muscle sensitivity but at least they have loosened now, so I feel much relieved
[08:51] <lucasvo> I can't think straight with any meds
[08:51] <JaneW> lucasvo: you joined the edubuntu frapper group right?
[08:51] <lucasvo> yup
[08:51] <JaneW> I looked at it yesterday, and am sure I saw you...
[08:51] <JaneW> ok
[08:51] <lucasvo> in zurich
[08:51] <JaneW> yup
[08:52] <lucasvo> where are you?
[08:52] <highvoltage> edubuntu frapper group?
[08:52] <highvoltage> what's frapper?
[08:52] <JaneW> http://www.frappr.com/edubuntu
[08:54] <JaneW> hey look who else is there..."TechnologyRescue.com Granite Bay (CA)
[08:54] <JaneW> Using Edubuntu in thin-client mode in our business!"
[08:55] <JaneW> sounds good
[08:55] <JaneW> or is that Burgundavia ? ^
[08:55] <highvoltage> no, that is Steve.
[08:55] <highvoltage> he's not using edubuntu yet, but he's going to.
[08:55] <highvoltage> he's currently using K12-LTSP.
[08:56] <Burgundavia> JaneW: nah, we use multiseat X in what we do
[08:56] <lucasvo> horrible, anybody know how to reset the font-settings on mac osx?
[08:57] <highvoltage> lucasvo: i'm sure someone does
[08:58] <lucasvo> highvoltage: I think I'll install ubuntu on all our school machines
[08:58] <JaneW> highvoltage: oic, who is steve?
[08:58] <lucasvo> osx sucks
[08:58] <JaneW> highvoltage: yes jsgotangco is pretty far away
[08:59] <highvoltage> JaneW: Steve Hargadon, here is his blog: http://stevehargadon.blogspot.com/
[08:59] <highvoltage> JaneW: he works with thin clients and refurbished machines
[08:59] <JaneW> highvoltage: oh right, yes I 'know' him from e-mails and he does a lot of trade shows etc
[08:59] <highvoltage> JaneW: very nice guy, he wants to roll out 100 labs in the US some time
[08:59] <JaneW> highvoltage: excellent
[08:59] <highvoltage> JaneW: and base a big part of it on the tuxlab model
[09:00] <highvoltage> yeah, he's very active.
[09:00] <JaneW> highvoltage: we should give him more support
[09:00] <JaneW> I wish I had a budget
[09:00] <JaneW> *sigh*
[09:00] <highvoltage> definitely. we could all benefit from a relationship.
[09:00] <highvoltage> JaneW: when you're in again, let's talk in person
[09:01] <JaneW> highvoltage: yes lets
[09:01] <JaneW> I think I'll only come in next week, since this is such a short week
[09:01] <JaneW> and I am dashing off to Robbie Williams on Thurs :)
[09:02] <JaneW> highvoltage: so prolly Tues, or maybe Wed next week
[09:02] <JaneW> ?
[09:03] <JaneW> I have received a new spam/virus, which is pretty effective (luckilly I am not too gullible)
[09:03] <JaneW> "Dear user of canonical.com,
[09:03] <JaneW> We have received reports that your account was used to send a huge amount of spam messages during this week.
[09:03] <JaneW> Obviously, your computer had been compromised and now runs a trojan proxy server.
[09:03] <JaneW> Please follow our instructions in the attached file in order to keep your computer safe.
[09:03] <JaneW> Have a nice day,
[09:03] <JaneW> canonical.com support team.
[09:03] <JaneW> "
[09:03] <JaneW> the attachment is a .zip
[09:03] <JaneW> yeah right
[09:05] <lucasvo> anybody know where one can buy a (boot) rom programmer?
[09:05] <lucasvo> a cheap/used one
[09:06] <highvoltage> JaneW: yep, tues or weds will be fine
[09:07] <highvoltage> JaneW: that's quite rich :) it would have been even funier if it was an .exe
[09:07] <JaneW> highvoltage: indeed
[05:12] <lucasvo> ah, finally my ltsp machine is working again
[05:14] <highvoltage> yay!
[05:21] <lucasvo> highvoltage:  I had a mainboard crash
[05:21] <lucasvo> second one this year
[05:22] <lucasvo> no, not this year, but during 365days
[05:22] <lucasvo> highvoltage: ah, yes, about proto.edubuntu.org
[05:23] <lucasvo> I wouldn't make the rounded corners where they "touch" the screen border
[05:23] <lucasvo> I don't know how to say this in english
[06:38] <thedarkener> Has anyone had the issue of after adding a user (I've seen this in Breezy as well as Dapper up to flight 6), you try to login on a terminal, it goes black, big X11 'X' and back to the login? Even with the right password?
[06:39] <ogra> thedarkener, can you log in on the server dirctly with the user ? 
[06:39] <thedarkener> i haven't tried, i just got a call this morning of this..i just installed another server here in my lab though i'll try it
[06:39] <thedarkener> it seems to happen intermittently
[06:39] <thedarkener> like if i try a few times it will log in
[06:40] <thedarkener> I'll check the logs too when i'm there next (it's 20mi away)
[06:44] <lucasvo> thedarkener: yes
[06:45] <thedarkener> lucasvo, maybe we can help - can you describe what you're having problems with?
[06:45] <lucasvo> yup
[06:45] <lucasvo> how do I have to configure the network interface used for ltsp?
[06:46] <lucasvo> shouldnt sudo ifconfig eth0 up 192.168.0.1 be enough?
[06:46] <lucasvo> thedarkener: or do I need to do sth. else?
[06:47] <thedarkener> lucasvo, the edubuntu setup should bring the adapter up by itself
[06:47] <thedarkener> if you need to do it manually, yes 'ifup eth0' would work (provided you set up networking correctly during install)
[06:49] <lucasvo> thedarkener: I didnt set up the second interfafce during install
[06:50] <thedarkener> lucasvo, which interface is connected to the ltsp network? eth0 or eth1?
[06:50] <lucasvo> eth0
[06:50] <lucasvo> eth2 is connnected to internet
[06:50] <thedarkener> you mean eth1?
[06:51] <thedarkener> eth2 would be a third interface
[06:52] <lucasvo> yes it is
[06:53] <lucasvo> I have 3 interfaces
[06:54] <lucasvo> on the server I do:  ifconfig eth0 up 192.168.1.1
[06:55] <thedarkener> lucasvo, if you do 'ifconfig eth0 up' command you have to manually enter much information about your network for it to route properly, etc.
[06:56] <lucasvo> thedarkener: so how should I do it ?
[06:56] <thedarkener> What I would do if I were you is edit your /etc/network/interfaces file and enter your settings for all network adapters you didn't configure during setup
[06:56] <thedarkener> that way you can simply type 'ifup ethX' when you need to bring up/down interfaces manually
[06:57] <lucasvo> thedarkener: can you paste your /etc/network/interfaces
[06:57] <lucasvo> ?
[06:58] <thedarkener> I can, but just keep in mind your IP settings will be different
[06:58] <thedarkener> iface eth0 inet static
[06:58] <thedarkener> address 192.168.3.50
[06:58] <thedarkener> netmask 255.255.255.0
[06:58] <thedarkener> network 192.168.3.0
[06:58] <thedarkener> gateway 192.168.3.1
[06:59] <thedarkener> use the keywords only, don't copy the IP settings
[06:59] <thedarkener> also put 'auto lo eth0' in there above it
[06:59] <thedarkener> so whenever you boot the machine it will bring up the interface(s) automatically
[07:02] <thedarkener> repeat those settings (with different ip settings of course) for each interface on your server
[07:02] <thedarkener> lucasvo, what is the third interface for?
[07:02] <thedarkener> dmz?
[07:03] <lucasvo> yes, but I dont need it atm
[07:03] <lucasvo> what do I have to set in the gateway field?
[07:05] <thedarkener> i believe you'd put the IP address of the same interface
[07:05] <thedarkener> since it's going through itself
[07:06] <lucasvo> okay, now it says Failed to bring up eth0
[07:06] <lucasvo> SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable
[07:07] <thedarkener> lucasvo, what is the IP network of eth0 for you?
[07:07] <thedarkener> 192.168.X.0
[07:07] <lucasvo> 1
[07:08] <thedarkener> ok
[07:08] <thedarkener> verify everything in /etc/network/interfaces to make sure that it's correct for your 'iface eth0 inet static' stanza
[07:08] <thedarkener> and that there's no duplicates
[07:09] <thedarkener> can you paste it?
[07:09] <lucasvo> http://pastebin.com/653837
[07:10] <lucasvo> I pasted no the same
[07:10] <lucasvo> I mean the whole file under the same url
[07:11] <thedarkener> ok
[07:11] <thedarkener> your gateway needs to be .1.1
[07:11] <thedarkener> not .1.0
[07:12] <lucasvo> oh
[07:12] <thedarkener> .1.0 is called the 'network address'
[07:14] <lucasvo> but it is definately not 192.168.1.1
[07:14] <lucasvo> because this breaks my whole network config
[07:15] <thedarkener> hrm...hold on
[07:18] <thedarkener> ok try putting the gateway as the internet connected interface
[07:18] <thedarkener> the internal routing should take care of finding it
[07:18] <thedarkener> i think.. =)
[07:20] <lucasvo> ok, this works
[07:20] <thedarkener> awesome
[07:20] <thedarkener> ogra, do you have any guesses on the user login issue i'm having?
[07:21] <lucasvo> but, when I do dhclient eth0 on a client, it doesnt get anything
[07:22] <thedarkener> well that's a whole different thing there
[07:22] <thedarkener> you need to make sure all your dhcpd settings are correct
[07:22] <thedarkener> and that the daemon is running
[07:23] <thedarkener> since you're changing the network config, you need to change the ip settings in /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf to reflect it
[07:23] <lucasvo> it is running
[07:23] <ogra> thedarkener, did you check that the user can log in on the server ?
[07:24] <lucasvo> the dhcpserver is configured correctly
[07:24] <thedarkener> then do an /etc/init.d/dhcpd restart, see if that helps
[07:24] <thedarkener> ogra, sorry no :( was just wondering
[07:25] <lucasvo> I already did that
[07:26] <ogra> thedarkener, first make sure the users are set up correctly, if thats the case lets dig deeper :)
[07:26] <lucasvo> even if I configure static IP address it doesnt work
[07:26] <thedarkener> ok thanks ogra :)
[07:26] <thedarkener> lucasvo, on the client are you trying to boot via ltsp?
[07:27] <lucasvo> no, it is a livecd
[07:28] <thedarkener> are you able to ping the server from the client when you statically assign ip settings?
[07:29] <lucasvo> no
[07:30] <thedarkener> check your network cable/switch
[07:31] <thedarkener> if you're sure all your ip settings are correct on the server and client and both server and client interfaces are up and running, there's nothing else it could be (besides a firewall?)
[07:37] <lucasvo> no
[07:41] <thedarkener> are you sure the correct adapter is connected to your switch/hub, and not one of the others that aren't up?
[07:42] <lucasvo> if I put it into the other interface. it doesnt even come up
[07:44] <thedarkener> if you're statically assigning the IP address on eth0, it will come up even if it's not connected to the switch/hub
[07:49] <lucasvo> it takes more than 30s
[07:51] <lucasvo> and then it exits
[07:51] <lucasvo> without configuring the interface
[07:53] <thedarkener> sounds like it's still trying dhcp
[07:54] <lucasvo> no
[07:54] <lucasvo> then there would be output, wouldn't it/
[07:54] <thedarkener> there should be
[07:54] <thedarkener> i've seen the situation before though
[07:55] <thedarkener> where even if you apt-get remove dhcpd, there is still a rogue process running
[07:55] <thedarkener> make sure no dhcpd processes are running
[07:57] <lucasvo> I don't think it is a problem ofdhcp
[07:58] <thedarkener> well i'm stumped then, i'm not sure what else it would be if everything we talked about was correct
[08:03] <lucasvo> thedarkener: thanks a lot
[08:03] <lucasvo> I have to work on that thing later
[08:05] <thedarkener> no problem lucasvo i hope you get it figured out
[09:39] <highvoltage> goodnight, #edubuntu
[09:39] <ogra> ciao highvoltage 
[09:39] <highvoltage> ciao!
[09:51] <spacey> heh
[09:51] <spacey> whats a bounty subscriber
[09:51] <spacey> if you just want to get the latest comments
[09:51] <spacey> or does it directly mean you want to do the job (which i don't want to)
[09:53] <Bluekuja> ogra: are you there?
[10:22] <Bluekuja> oliver when you have some free time contact me 
[10:22] <Bluekuja> tnx
[11:37] <Rondom> spacey: I slo wondered about the bounty thing
[11:37] <Rondom> slo=also