[12:04] <kmon> portergeist bug ;)
[12:39] <marseillai> due to the fact that krfb is now unmaitained wich vnc server could be use to take is place?
[12:50] <kmon> good night everyone
[01:08] <claydoh> well I can't turn the splash off using my svn-built amarok. either
[01:08] <Riddell> ah good, not my fault then :)
[01:10] <claydoh> of course not :)
[01:10] <claydoh> I don't see an option in amarokrc for it either
[01:12] <Riddell> claydoh: you could try removing kubuntu-default-settings
[01:14] <claydoh> ahhh, was looking for the name
[01:20] <claydoh> heh that worked :)
[01:21] <Riddell> what did it do?
[01:22] <claydoh> well, it reset my settings (brought up the first-time wizard)
[01:23] <claydoh> but I un-ticked the show-splash option, and it no longer slashes
[01:23] <Riddell> curious
[01:24] <claydoh> Show Splashscreen=false is in amarokrc
[01:24] <claydoh> under [General Options] 
[01:25] <claydoh> but mof course now Konq KDE looks horrid :)
[01:26] <Riddell> claydoh: in your amarokrc or in kubuntu-default-settings'?
[01:26] <claydoh> amarokrc
[01:27] <Riddell> but which?
[01:27] <claydoh> so the option is missing in kubuntu-default-settings then?
[01:27] <Riddell> in ~/.kde or /usr/share/ku...
[01:27] <claydoh> looking...
[01:29] <claydoh> well the line is there
[01:29] <claydoh> in /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/config
[01:31] <Riddell> very curious
[01:33] <claydoh> yeah, after reinstalling kubuntu-default-settings, the lin is now missing again
[01:34] <Riddell> maybe somebody messed it up
[01:35] <Riddell> hmm no, latest one has it too
[01:35] <claydoh> even adding it manually does not work, the added line is gone after restarting
[01:35] <claydoh> sorry from ~/.kde...
[01:37] <claydoh> ok maybe I am wrong, cuz it just worked adding it manually
[01:37] <claydoh> lol so I am going to live with it I guess, the line is again missing
[01:38] <claydoh> from /home/clay/.kde/share/config/amarokrc
[01:39] <Riddell> if it's in /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/config it shouldn't get written to ~/.kde
[01:22] <Riddell> everyone: welcome kameron our new elite developer
[01:22] <kameron> hah :P
[01:23] <Riddell> kameron: we're in features freeze and upstream version freeze and also docs freeze so just now isn't a good time for packaging or docs
[01:23] <kameron> gearing up for flight 7?
[01:23] <Riddell> gearing up for beta release
[01:23] <kameron> even better.
[01:25] <Tm_T> =)
[01:25] <marseillai> Riddell: i know a little c++ on windows (visual c++) and i want to learn to develop on kde! do you have an idea about basic and simple applications wich could held or is needed on kde or kubuntu ?
[01:25] <Tm_T> marseillai: like Kopete?
[01:26] <Tm_T> thanks sir
[01:26] <marseillai> :)
[01:26] <Riddell> marseillai: something we're missing is sa floppy disk/usb disk formatting tool
[01:27] <Tm_T> true
[01:27] <freeflying> Riddell: any articles for writing KContral module with python 
[01:27] <Riddell> marseillai: or you could write a plugin for katapult, still waiting on someone to do  spell checking one
[01:28] <marseillai> qtparted does this thing? no?
[01:28] <Tm_T> marseillai: bit too heavy to just format a floppy
[01:29] <Riddell> freeflying: pykdeextensions documentation should have some http://www.simonzone.com/software/pykdeextensions/en/index.html
[01:29] <Tm_T> like playing single files in amaroK
[01:29] <Riddell> freeflying: otherwise look at the code to guidance modules
[01:29] <freeflying> Riddell: thx
[01:29] <Riddell> marseillai: it should be a simple tool so just a click to format as fat32, not fa qtparted rival or anything
[01:30] <marseillai> oki
[01:30] <Tm_T> yup
[01:30] <kameron> that sounds fairly simple. i swear there's already a tool like this in kde, isn't there?
[01:30] <Riddell> kameron: kfloppy, but it's very broken
[01:30] <marseillai> just so simple! exactly what i need to learn! :)
[01:30] <kameron> Riddell, any chance of fixing it up, instead of writing something new?
[01:30] <Tm_T> simple tool that detects media, ask how it should be formatted, warn about data loss, format, quit
[01:30] <Riddell> kameron: sure, that's 
[01:30] <Riddell> kameron: sure, that's another possibility
[01:31] <Riddell> JRe was planning on working on a HAL enabled tool but that would be KDE 4 which is ages away yet
[01:36] <Riddell> kameron: want a simple job?
[01:37] <kameron> sounds like a good starting point Riddell 
[01:37] <Riddell> kameron: openoffice doesn't work with KDE's system:/ or media:/ protocols...
[01:37] <Riddell> kameron: word on the streets is there's a property X-KDE-Protocols or something that can be added to .desktop files to list which protocols a program can use
[01:38] <Riddell> could you investigate if that's right and test if it works for openoffice?
[01:38] <kameron> uhhh. sure.
[01:38] <kameron> i'm unfarmiliar with the system:/ or media:/ protocols.
[01:39] <Riddell> put them into konqueror to try them out
[01:39] <kameron> just did.
[01:39] <Riddell> or home:/ is another weird one
[01:41] <kameron> Riddell, okay, i see how this works.. how is openoffice supposed to integrate, or work with the protocols?
[01:42] <Riddell> kameron: I think it works with file:// ftp:// http:// and maybe smb://
[01:43] <Riddell> you'll have to test to see if that's really the case
[01:43] <kameron> using media:/ to open openoffice, or to open .otd documents, etc?
[01:44] <kameron> .odt *
[01:44] <Riddell> yes
[01:44] <Riddell> and see if adding X-KDE-Protocols makes it work (you'll need to google for the syntax)
[01:45] <kameron> i still don't quite understand. if i open konq, type system:/, and navigate to a .odt file, it opens in openoffice just fine.
[01:46] <Lure> kameron: browse system:/ or media:/ and find ooo document
[01:46] <Lure> when click on it to open in OOo, it will fail
[01:46] <kameron> ahh, i see now.
[01:47] <Lure> OOo (and other non-KDE apps) do not understand KIO paths (or at least not all) 
[01:47] <Lure> we need to convert them to normal path before passing to app - X-KDE-Protocols is supposed to help here
[01:49] <klugez> http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-commits&m=111766073525473&w=3 <- this might be relevant
[01:49] <Lure> see bug 32159 (and duplicates)
[01:49] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 32159 in kdebase "system:// protocol" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/32159
[01:50] <kameron> i open openoffice writer.. click "open".. type "system:/" or "media:/" ... find an .odt.. and it opens fine. i'm still unsure of what you're looking for.
[01:52] <Lure> kameron: that works, due to kde open dialog in OOo
[01:52] <kameron> Lure, what doesn't work?
[01:52] <Lure> You should browse with Konqueror (file manager) and click on file
[01:52] <Lure> for example system:/users/<username>/something
[01:54] <Riddell> kameron: does the system:/ or media:/ protocol stay in konqueror's address bar?
[01:54] <Riddell> or does it convert to a normal one?
[01:55] <kameron> Riddell, hmm. it doesn't seem to be converting it to a normal one right now. but it did a while ago, i don't know what i did differently.
[01:56] <kameron> and no, it doesn't open in openoffice with the system:/x/x/x in the address bar.
[01:56] <Riddell> yeah, we have a patch which (sometimes) converts system:/ to file:/ but doesn't always happen
[01:56] <Riddell> try with home:/ as well
[01:56] <Lure> Riddell: it converts only for system:/home (Tonio's change)
[01:57] <kameron> ah, there it is. that's the only one that converts.
[01:57] <kameron> the rest don't.
[01:57] <kameron> what's the use in having these system:/ media:/ etc KIO paths?
[01:58] <Lure> kameron: good question... they look fancy and cause lot's of problems...
[02:00] <Riddell> they provide a convenient way to the things they list
[02:01] <Riddell> but also openoffice won't work with sftp:/ or fish:/ so it's a more general problem
[02:02] <kameron> Riddell, okay, i'll have a closer look into this a bit later today. i have to head to work soon.
[02:04] <Riddell> great, thanks
[02:04] <kameron> happy to help.
[02:17] <Lure> Riddell: this kubuntu.de guys do not know when is enough... :-(
[02:19] <kameron> hehe, mindspin was telling me about that
[02:25] <Tm_T> Lure: ?
[02:25] <Lure> Tm_T: http://kubuntu.de/
[02:27] <freeflying-ibook> anyone can use eric3 now ?
[02:29] <Tm_T> Lure: =)
[02:29] <Tm_T> Lure: bit too... much?
[02:29] <Tm_T> Lure: good meaning, but results...
[02:29] <Lure> Tm_T: IMHO, a lot too much.
[02:29] <Tm_T> yeah
[02:48] <jjesse> fmorning Hobbsee
[02:48] <Hobbsee> hi jjesse 
[02:53] <jjesse> grin its probablly afternoon for you :)
[02:55] <Hobbsee> jjesse: 10.55pm tuesday, yes
[02:56] <jjesse> Hobbsee: 08:56am tuesday
[02:57] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:57] <Hobbsee> NY time.
[03:08] <freeflying-ibook> Riddell: 
[03:09] <freeflying-ibook> Riddell: if you have any problem with cd space , you can drop ttf-arphic-ukai out
[03:09] <Riddell> freeflying-ibook: why's that?
[03:11] <freeflying-ibook> Riddell: I think you may have problem with cd space , and we are quite satisfy with uming , ukai can be installed by language-support-pack 
[03:12] <Riddell> freeflying-ibook: yeah, cool, thanks
[03:12] <freeflying-ibook> Riddell: this can be also drop out from ubuntu's cd
[03:13] <freeflying-ibook> Riddell: or shall talk this with any ubuntu's guy :)
[04:44] <Riddell> sigh, kubuntu.de have gone totally loopy
[04:46] <freeflying-ibook> Riddell: who is jdub
[04:47] <seaLne> freeflying-ibook: Jeff Waugh
[04:48] <freeflying-ibook> http://people.ubuntu.com/~jdub/2006/ubuntu-zh.png --guys from china are feel so sorry that jdub use this picture 
[04:48] <freeflying-ibook> seaLne: how can i cantoct him 
[04:49] <seaLne>  jeff.waugh@ubuntu
[04:49] <seaLne> freeflying-ibook: err yeah i can see why some people might not especially like that image
[04:50] <freeflying-ibook> seaLne: it will hurt all chinese ubuntu fans
[04:50] <seaLne> i presume it is a joke...
[04:51] <freeflying-ibook> seaLne: we are all sensitve with this species joke 
[04:52] <Riddell> freeflying-ibook: where did he use it?
[04:52] <freeflying-ibook> Riddell: on fridge
[04:53] <freeflying-ibook> Riddell: maybe it's joke for jdub, but it will not be any joke for we chinese , he shall know  this 
[04:55] <freeflying-ibook> Riddell: Culture revolution bring us too much painfulness 
[04:56] <Riddell> freeflying-ibook: I've passed your comments on, you can also e-mail fridge-devel@lists.ubuntu.com to poke the other fridge editors
[04:56] <superstoned_> welcome kameron! :D
[04:56] <freeflying-ibook> Riddell: thanks
[04:56] <Riddell> I can see how that wouldn't be funny, but it sounds like it came from a chinese person so they would have assumed it was ok
[04:57] <kameron> thanks superstoned_ ... i've always wanted to get involved with a distro again, since i left yellowdog and my old ppc.
[04:57] <superstoned_> well, kubuntu is cool, and has a cool team, so i'm sure you'll have fun :D
[04:57] <superstoned_> and ignore the fight about kubuntu.de (i'm sure they'll figure it out).
[04:57] <freeflying-ibook> Riddell: we all don't know the guy giveing this pitcure
[04:57] <kameron> :-) i've been running it only since.. january i think
[04:58] <superstoned_> KDE has strenght enough, finally it'll emerge as the main ubuntu release ;-)
[04:58] <kameron> is that realistic?
[04:58] <superstoned_> hmmm, in the long term...
[04:58] <seaLne> :-)
[04:58] <superstoned_> KDE is, after all, more popular than gnome.
[04:58] <kameron> that'd be cool.
[04:59] <superstoned_> well, yeah. now see how many KDE cd's get distributed, compared to ubuntu :D
[04:59] <kameron> heh.
[04:59] <superstoned_> from 6.04 i expect Kubuntu to be, quallity-wise (integration etc), equal to gnome. 5.10 and earlier where a bit... buggy...
[05:00] <superstoned_> a stable livecd, easy to install, it'll make a difference. i'm sure about that.
[05:00] <kameron> can you buy (k)ubuntu cds, swag, mugs, shirts, etc, from cannonical?
[05:00] <superstoned_> yep
[05:00] <superstoned_> cd's are free, including shipping!
[05:00] <kameron> yeah, i got hoary and breezy cds in the mail.
[05:00] <superstoned_> so when 6.04/ ehm 6.06 is out, you can order 20 cd's for free, and share them with the family, friends, etcetera.
[05:01] <kameron> but, i want to buy them. can i do that?
[05:01] <superstoned_> i think so, not sure tough.
[05:01] <jjesse> cds will be from shipit.ubuntu.com if the live isntaller can get finished
[05:01] <superstoned_> jjesse: and i desperately hope it'll be :D
[05:01] <superstoned_> btw i did reply on your mail on the kubuntu mailinglist., jjesse
[05:02] <jjesse> superstoned_: which one was that?
[05:02] <superstoned_> about kubuntu.de (me = jos)
[05:02] <jjesse> superstoned_: ah :)
[05:02] <superstoned_> hehe stupid nicks :D
[05:02] <kameron> ^^ that's why i go by kameron.
[05:02] <superstoned_> tough you could have seen the 'im from the netherlands' as a hint :D
[05:02] <superstoned_> real name?
[05:03] <kameron> yeah.
[05:03] <superstoned_> cool name
[05:03] <superstoned_> me = jos, so i guess you know why i got a nick :D
[05:03] <superstoned_> lol
[05:03] <kameron> plus people assume my name is cameron (which it isn't) and i'm just a kde freak. but i am a kde freak, so they're half right :P
[05:03] <kameron> what's wrong with jos?
[05:03] <superstoned_> na, not that bad, but i've had it for 6 years, most ppl know me better as superstoned...
[05:03] <kameron> ah.
[05:03] <superstoned_> lol
[05:10] <kameron> eh, i guess i should head back to work pretty quick here.
[05:13] <kameron> i should be home in 12 hours at the very latest, i hope someone's around to help me out with that X-KDE-Protocols problem
[05:13] <kameron> see ya.
[05:15] <superstoned_> bye kameron
[05:50] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: what's the mood like in #kubuntu-de?
[05:52] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: we discussed this kubuntu.de protest (or what I call it amu-protest)
[05:52] <comm[A|n] der> the most people coming in dont understand what kubuntu.de wants to achieve with their protests
[05:52] <OculusAquilae> right
[05:52] <OculusAquilae> also from ubuntuusers.de
[05:54] <OculusAquilae> the problem is that I think this is not good for kubuntu.de (and kubuntu) and some other people think the same way
[05:54] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: yeah
[05:55] <OculusAquilae> and they where these old ubuntuuser.de vs. kubuntu.de discussions again
[05:55] <OculusAquilae> s/they/there
[05:55] <Riddell> I didn't even know that was an issue until recently
[05:56] <comm[A|n] der> its just one word in the ubuntuusers.de page
[05:56] <comm[A|n] der> "this is the _official_ supportforum for ubuntu, kubuntu and other derivates"
[05:57] <comm[A|n] der> i don know, why they cant come togehter
[05:57] <OculusAquilae> I can work well together with the ubuntuusers.de-guys
[05:57] <OculusAquilae> and I would like to do it
[05:57] <comm[A|n] der> at least most of them
[06:00] <OculusAquilae> if I look at this account-problem I think that amu didn't ask enough 
[06:03] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: he asked enough, but he sent it to the sysadmin's personal address and not his work address
[06:04] <Riddell> and I didn't poke the sysadmin to remind him of it
[06:04] <OculusAquilae> I don't know what about his general questions
[06:46] <hunger> Could somebody please update the "-latest" links (koffice and amarok) in k.o/packages?
[06:56] <Riddell> hunger: amarok done, koffice will be when released
[06:56] <hunger> Riddell: Thanks!!!!
[06:56] <Tm_T> yay!
[07:00] <marseillai> Riddell: does amarok is beta3-a or beta3-b ?
[07:04] <jjesse> oooo i can update the release notes for a new version of amarok :)
[07:05] <Riddell> marseillai: a
[07:05] <Riddell> jjesse: it's not in dapper
[07:05] <marseillai> oki
[07:05] <jjesse> oh :(
[07:08] <OdyX> jjesse: 2.0 ? XD
[07:09] <Riddell> jjesse: do the release notes mention Language Support tool?
[07:10] <jjesse> Riddell: they should if not i'll make sure they do
[07:27] <jjesse> Riddell: don't know if you have seen this or not, but we already have portions of about-kubuntu translated into different languages :)
[07:29] <Riddell> jjesse: ooh, rocking
[07:29] <jjesse> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/kubuntu-docs/+pots/aboutkubuntu
[07:49] <jjesse> how was the adept bug with octect/mime stream resovled?
[07:49] <Riddell> I don't think it was
[07:50] <jjesse> bummer
[07:53] <kmon> Hi, with amarok 1.4beta3 the third party kubuntu.org repositories are no longer broken AFAIK
[08:01] <marseillai> "For example, to launch the file manager <application>Konqueror</application> with root privileges, type <screen>kdesu konqueror</screen>" it seems to be pretty dangerous a better example would be kdesu kwrite in my opinion! see in kubuntu-docs on rosetta
[08:01] <Riddell> marseillai: too late!  string freeze
[08:01] <marseillai> arf
[08:01] <marseillai> but do you agree?
[08:02] <marseillai> i think it should be change at least for next release
[08:02] <OdyX> Riddell: so could we take the liberty in translation ?
[08:02] <marseillai> oh! un tonio
[08:02] <OdyX> Hey Tonio_
[08:02] <Tonio_> hey ;)
[08:07] <Riddell> OdyX: yes please!
[08:08] <jjesse> hold on maybe we can change it, already made some changes to the documentation
[08:08] <jjesse> what was the question?
[08:08] <OdyX> Riddell: OK. So in french, user will open kate and in english, Konqueror :D
[08:09] <OdyX> jjesse: root (sudo) should open something more secure than konqui...
[08:09] <marseillai> jjesse: odyx is telling that the example kdes konqueror is not really a good example because not secure at all
[08:09] <OdyX> jjesse: just imagine new sudo user travelling through /bin or worse: Internet: http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com
[08:10] <OdyX> nobody knows what could happen
[08:10] <jjesse> is that in the desktop guide
[08:10] <jjesse> http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com would fail
[08:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: I was looking at main inclusions reports...... nothing new on any request.... shouldn't we pingsomeone for knetworkmanager ?
[08:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: if you want it in flight 7 ;)
[08:11] <jjesse> hmm what should we change the example to, this in the deskotpguide?
[08:12] <marseillai> Tonio_: you mean dapper beta 1! ;)
[08:12] <Tonio_> marseillai: of course :)
[08:12] <Lure> Riddell: is FF in two days also impacting main inclusions?
[08:12] <Tonio_> Lure: urgh....... it is in 2 days ?
[08:13] <OdyX> jjesse: that's in DesktopGuide...
[08:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: we then have to discuss kaffeine too ;) 0.8.1 is very nice !
[08:13] <Lure> Tonio_: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2006-February/000082.html
[08:13] <OdyX> jjesse: #60
[08:13] <Tonio_> lure thanks ;)
[08:13] <Riddell> Lure: beta freeze.  maybe
[08:14] <Lure> Tonio_: actually _ got old (feb) story from Fridge rss ;-)
[08:14] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes, lets ping pitti
[08:14] <Riddell> Tonio_: as I've said, I'm not too keen on new kaffeine
[08:14] <Lure> I have read it but Februray did not confuse me until I pasted the link here... ;-)
[08:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay ;) I was just thinking it was because of konqueror and now that we will have kmplayer.....
[08:15] <Riddell> Tonio_: well, what's good about it?
[08:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: gui near to amarok, now offers a control bar on the bottom in fullscreen (very cool feature), and it is really stable
[08:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's not a lot, but that better than the actual version ;)
[08:17] <Riddell> hay look, it's jjesse http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0132435942/ref=pd_sxp_elt_l1/103-7414591-2654240?n=283155
[08:17] <Lure> can somebody remind me where can I add additional deb-src repo for pbuilder?
[08:17] <Riddell> just below the bacon burger
[08:18] <Lure> Riddell: ;-)
[08:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: the main argument to me would be the gui, it is totally different, but really nice after a few days ;)
[08:20] <jjesse> grin everyone should order lots of copies :)
[08:21] <marseillai> Tonio_: does the new kaffeine takes .srt automatically when they have the same name that the readed file?
[08:22] <Tonio_> marseillai: yes
[08:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: honnestly, I don't see what is worse with new version ?
[08:22] <marseillai> pretty cool
[08:22] <marseillai> when it's available no more xine for me! :D
[08:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: what is the problem you have with it ? are there known bugs I ignore ?
[08:24] <Riddell> Tonio_: I just suspect it won't fix anything, if it's just the features we want that goes against feature freeze and UI freeze
[08:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: it is true it doesn't "fix" anything, and doesn't provide any major improvement....
[08:25] <OdyX> for me, it's no music reader, but very fine DVD / Videos reader...
[08:25] <Riddell> Tonio_: koffice 1.5 for example fixes loads of things, so I'll ask for an UVFe for that, but the same can't be said with kaffeine
[08:26] <OdyX> Riddell: kubuntu-desktop depends on kaffeine for the moment, ain't it ?
[08:26] <Riddell> OdyX: yes
[08:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: true.... hard to admit but you are (once again) true :)
[08:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: anything I can work on ? I don't find anything to change deeply in k-d-s or something....
[08:28] <OdyX> Tonio_: application type not found at starting Adept :D
[08:29] <Tonio_> OdyX: I know a solution to that, but that's not very nice....
[08:29] <Riddell> Tonio_: there's a new kio-apt for revu
[08:29] <Tonio_> and if you talk about patch in code, that's not of my abilities....
[08:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: great ;)
[08:29] <seaLne> Lure: were you meaning OTHERMIRROR in /etc/pbuilder/pbuilderrc ?
[08:30] <Lure> seaLne: yes, that can be used now that universe do not need it - thanks
[08:35] <Lure> seaLne: does not help... :-(
[08:35] <seaLne> re create the tgz? or edit the tgz?
[08:37] <seaLne> i don't know enough about pbuilder to help, sorry
[08:38] <Riddell> ZuZubuntu-fr: could you set your away script to not use a generic nick?
[08:39] <Lure> seaLne: will ask in #ubuntu-motu
[08:42] <Lure> seaLne: solved - sudo pbuilder update --override-config
[08:43] <seaLne> what else? just with changing OTHERMIRROR?
[08:43] <Lure> OTHERMIRROR, then you need to update with --override-config (in order to update from new config file)
[08:43] <seaLne> ah, so recreating the tgz would have worked aswell then just longer :)
[08:44] <Lure> seaLne: exactly - actually raphink told me this some days ago, I just did not remember...
[08:48] <Lure> Riddell, jjesse: will we contribute to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperBeta
[08:49] <Riddell> Lure: please do
[08:50] <jjesse> Lure: i had no idea about DapperBeta but we should do one
[08:50] <Lure> Riddell: just to that page or should we have Kubuntu specific one
[08:50] <jjesse> kubuntu specific one
[08:50] <jjesse> is there a way to better know when these are being released and what they will be called?
[08:51] <Lure> jjesse: makes sense, as we have a lot to announce (no flight announcements for Kubuntu)
[08:51] <jjesse> Lure: yeah i know i've been swamped with the kubuntu book :(
[08:51] <Lure> jjesse: Flights were very unpredictable (you could get some idea by following dev meetings), but beta is Apr 20
[08:51] <jjesse> which dev meetings?
[08:52] <jjesse> should it be KubuntuDapperBeta or DapperBeta/Kubuntu?
[08:52] <Lure> Dapper development status meetings 
[08:52] <jjesse> Lure: are you the one that mgalvin CC'ed me on an email?
[08:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: reviewed, but if we want to loose sync and provide a 0ubuntu1 package, I don't think it is nice enough...
[08:53] <Lure> jjesse: probably not...
[08:55] <jjesse> so what do you think everyone, KubuntuDapperBeta or DapperBeta/Kubuntu ?
[08:56] <Lure> Tonio_: since kpowersave 0.6.0 is not released for debian yet, I have to name package -0ubuntu1?
[08:56] <Riddell> Tonio_: I don't understand
[08:56] <Riddell> jjesse: depends if it shares any material with DapperBeta
[08:57] <Riddell> Lure: yes
[08:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: don't understand what ? I was talking about the review of kio-apt
[08:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: I think the package needs to be modernised if we break the standard debian sync and provide a 0ubuntu1 package
[08:59] <jjesse> Riddell: well it will have the same look/feel
[09:00] <Lure> Riddell: I think DapperBeta/GNOME and DapperBeta/KDE would be best ;-)
[09:01] <Riddell> Tonio_: why?  we always want to keep the difference from debian as small as possible
[09:02] <Riddell> jjesse: if it's a complete article in itself go for KubuntuDapperBeta, if it only shows the kubuntu changes and refers to DapperBeta for non-GUI changes then go for DapperBeta/Kubuntu
[09:02] <Riddell> or what Lure says
[09:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum..... I was told in the past that we can be synced, but if we provide an 0ubuntu1 package, and break the sync, it is better to fit with ubuntu requirements....
[09:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: that can be discuss and maybe I'm wrong.....
[09:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: but I got big NO sometimes because of this :)
[09:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: would you suggest to keep sync with debian instead ?
[09:05] <Riddell> Tonio_: well what are you suggesting to change?
[09:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: compat and debhelper version, debian/copyright misses (c) informations, there is a file renamed bia a dpatch patch which is really ugly....
[09:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: lots of little things that would make the package getting a NO if it was NEW
[09:06] <Tonio_> so unless the quality insurance is different for an update compared to a NEW, I don't see how I can give a yes to this, that's not logic....
[09:07] <Riddell> Tonio_: we don't go changig packaging unless there's a need for it, it makes sync harder
[09:07] <Riddell> manual syncing in this case
[09:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: then should we sync the debian package manually without any modification ?
[09:07] <Riddell> Tonio_: no, there's kubuntu specific changes in that package
[09:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay...
[09:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: but renaming a file via a patch (and that the kubuntu specific) is really crappy....
[09:09] <Riddell> Tonio_: I seem to remember there's a good reason for it though
[09:09] <Riddell> what's the file?
[09:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: kio-apt.png.uu
[09:09] <Tonio_> in debian/
[09:10] <Riddell> Tonio_: if it doesn't cause any problems I'd rather not change it just now, feature freeze and all that
[09:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum, yes
[09:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: well maybe I'm a bit more strict 'I've been teached by allee and dholbach ^^)
[09:12] <Tonio_> s/more/too much
[09:13] <allee> Tonio_: don't get weak!  :)
[09:14] <Tonio_> allee: lol
[09:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: but I take note for the future, that it is better to keep closer to the debian packaging in that case ;)
[09:15] <seaLne> does anyone know how to import a gimp pallete (the ubuntu one) and how to use it?
[09:17] <yuriy> Tonio_: "<Tonio_> Riddell: it is true it doesn't "fix" anything, and doesn't provide any major improvement...."
[09:17] <yuriy> Tonio_: 
[09:17] <yuriy> Kaffeine Changelog for 0.8.1:
[09:17] <yuriy>  * fixed: system:/media urls
[09:18] <yuriy> Tonio_: "fixed: system:/media urls"
[09:18] <Tonio_> yuriy: does it work ?
[09:18] <yuriy> Riddell: if that's true it might be worthwhile
[09:18] <Tonio_> yuriy: I tested and that didn't work for me ;)
[09:18] <yuriy> Tonio_: i havent tried it yet will test
[09:19] <Tonio_> yuriy: thanks :)
[09:20] <OdyX> Tonio_: and what about (see #kubuntu-fr), disappeared option for disabling suspend ?
[09:21] <Tonio_> OdyX: I think it is managed differently now
[09:21] <Tonio_> or fixed in the code
[09:21] <Tonio_> anyway I never got suspend using it, even for 2 ours
[09:24] <Tonio_> OdyX: according to marseillai that doesn't work.....
[09:24] <Tonio_> OdyX: what about you ?
[09:24] <OdyX> Tonio_: it doesn't even work...
[09:24] <OdyX> maybe connected with powersaved
[09:25] <Tonio_> OdyX: anyway, it will not go in dapper, so........
[09:25] <OdyX> powersaved ?
[09:25] <OdyX> or kaffeine ?
[09:25] <marseillai> kaffeine
[09:25] <Tonio_> OdyX: probably both :)
[09:25] <jjesse> ok created KubuntuDapperBeta and have like two lines on it, but i need to do more work
[09:46] <Lure> Tonio_: talking about powersave - I just uploaded kpowersave 0.6.0
[09:46] <Lure> I think we are ready to ask for UVF exception 
[09:46] <Lure> should I open bugs or will you do it?
[09:47] <Tonio_> Lure: I have lots of work actually.... I'm not really available to work on kubuntu until friday......
[09:47] <Tonio_> Lure: did you upload to ubuntu before asking for UVFe ?
[09:47] <Lure> Tonio_: ne, to your repo... ;-)
[09:47] <Lure> s/ne/no
[09:48] <Tonio_> Lure: ah good ;)
[09:49] <Tonio_> Lure: and therefore, I don't have my laptop anymore, so I can't test the software....
[09:50] <Lure> Tonio_: I will open UVFe bugs for powersave & kpowersave and then we will see ;-)
[09:50] <Tonio_> Lure: great ;)
[09:53] <seaLne> what are the kubuntu colors?
[09:59] <Tm_T> what? KOffice released?
[09:59] <Tm_T> aah, just 1.5 ...
[10:00] <freeflying> Tm_T: where?
[10:01] <Tm_T> http://koffice.org/
[10:01] <Tm_T> but here, KWord: 1.6 alpha
[10:03] <Riddell> Tonio_: where?
[10:03] <Riddell> seaLne: blue and blue with a shade of blue
[10:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: ?? was that for Tm_T ?
[10:03] <Riddell> yes
[10:03] <Riddell> Tm_T: where?
[10:04] <Tm_T> Riddell: what where
[10:04] <Riddell> oh boy, new k3b
[10:04] <Riddell> Tm_T: kword 1.6 alpha?
[10:04] <Tm_T> Riddell: svn :)
[10:04] <seaLne> Riddell: which blues
[10:04] <Tm_T> Riddell: I'm, as usual, testing and debugging
[10:04] <Tm_T> should do couple test days with Krita again
[10:05] <Riddell> seaLne: we don't have a palette but see the logo on KubuntuArtwork
[10:05] <Tm_T> Riddell: http://www.tm-travolta.net/blog/?p=7
[10:05] <Tm_T> no idea if that works in 1.5
[10:05] <Tm_T> atleast in 1.6 branch it's fixed
[10:07] <Tm_T> should blog about desklist too
[10:11] <yuriy> Tonio_, Riddell: system:/media seems to be fixed for me in 0.8.1, at least it doesn't do the copying to tmp thing. and the program is much more stable overall imo, hasn't crashed yet
[10:11] <Riddell> yuriy: ok, that's a good reason then
[10:12] <Tonio_> yuriy: is that fabo's package ?
[10:12] <Tonio_> yuriy: last time I tried, the system kio wasn't fixed for me
[10:13] <yuriy> I compiled it myself, didn't try the packages
[10:13] <yuriy> i don't know how to package things myself, any helpful links to learn?
[10:13] <Lure> Tonio_: I think this was with 0.8.0 and not 0.8.1
[10:14] <Lure> yuriy: I have started here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[10:16] <Tonio_> Lure: true, I didn't test 0.8.1
[10:16] <Tonio_> Lure: but the problem was supposed to be fixed in 0.8.0 I think
[10:17] <Lure> Tonio_: yes, I remember that - maybe 0.8.1 has a fix of a fix ;-)
[10:17] <Tonio_> Lure: hehe
[10:19] <yuriy> dvd works. but i think it needs an eject button.
[10:21] <Tonio_> yuriy: what about suspend ?
[10:21] <Tonio_> OdyX told me it didn't work for him.......
[10:22] <Tonio_> yuriy: I mean he doesn't have the option, and it doesn't seem to be implemented by default
[10:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: want me to revy this ? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2244
[10:22] <Tonio_> s/revy/revu
[10:23] <yuriy> umm sorry what do you mean. stand-by while playing something in kaffeine? i've never tried suspend/standby since I don't have a laptop
[10:24] <yuriy> audio cd works, it doesn't in kscd.
[10:24] <Tm_T> kscd is err, unmaintained
[10:25] <Tm_T> should do replacement for KDE4
[10:27] <Lure> freeflying: congrats!
[10:27] <freeflying> Lure: thanks
[10:29] <Tm_T> freeflying: yay!
[10:29] <yuriy> is kscd installed by default? if audio cd's work fine in kaffeine, there is really no need for it esp. if it's unmaintained
[10:29] <freeflying> Tm_T:  :)
[10:34] <yuriy> some problems with this kaffeine: there is a "Rip CD" button that does seemingly nothing and there is also an "Encode..." button that tells me no audio encoders were found.  Kaffeine compiled with oggenc and lame support, and I don't see any configuration for encoding in the program.
[10:34] <robotgeek> freeflying: congrats :)
[10:35] <freeflying> robotgeek: thx
[10:35] <Tm_T> ah, freeflying is new member! hooray!
[10:35] <yuriy> also, even though i'm playing a CD, the playlist view still has the name of the last file I played scrolling against the top
[10:36] <robotgeek> can anyone spare a moment to explain some stuff about QProcess? 
[10:36] <freeflying> Tm_T:  heh
[10:48] <yuriy> opening files from system:/home still doesn't work. but that thing is just really broken. good thing the home icon now points to the correct /home/user
[10:49] <marseillai> [22:25]  <Tm_T> kscd is err, unmaintained ---->> as is KRFB
[10:52] <Tm_T> marseillai: krfb?
[10:53] <marseillai> yes! vnc kde server!
[10:53] <marseillai> it is old and un-maintained!
[10:53] <Tm_T> err?
[10:53] <Tm_T> aah
[10:53] <Tm_T> never even tried
[10:53] <marseillai> and has some bugs
[10:54] <marseillai> really usefull
[10:54] <Tm_T> well, ssh has been enough
[10:54] <Tm_T> like now, using atleast three computers
[10:54] <Tm_T> you think I'm running this irc client in my own pc? ofcourse not =)
[10:55] <yuriy> krfb is rather nice, too bad it is unmaintained
[10:55] <marseillai> yes but pretty useful when you have multi os network....
[10:55] <Tm_T> ah
[10:55] <Tm_T> marseillai: you have other gods than Linus ?!?!
[10:56] <Tm_T> s/nad/and
[10:56] <marseillai> me? not! my parents and sister yes! my school too! :s (hopefully my parents are in conversion phase)
[10:56] <Tm_T> hehe
[10:56] <yuriy> Tm_T: yes, my poor unenlightened family who yell at me when I install linux on the living room computer. last time i went home, i ran realvnc on it to use my computer instead until krfb crashed.
[10:57] <Tm_T> yeah, other os's would be good, but again, I'd use ssh from those to linux anyway =)
[10:57] <Tm_T> and most of other os's cost money
[10:57] <Tm_T> like Zeta, ~70 
[11:06] <marseillai> Tm_T: exactly the same bug that mine : https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/39046
[11:06] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39046 in kdenetwork "krfb crashes when a connected client move mouse" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  
[11:16] <yuriy> marseillai: what's exactly the same as yours (other than mine, i already said so)
[11:43] <Lure> should diffstat work for debdiff? It does not report stats for individual files in diff...
[11:46] <Riddell> should do yes
[11:53] <Lure> Riddell: I get
[11:53] <Lure> [22:57]  <Tm_T> like Zeta, ~70 
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[11:53] <Lure> [23:06]  <marseillai> Tm_T: exactly the same bug that mine : https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/39046
[11:53] <Lure> [23:06]  <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39046 in kdenetwork "krfb crashes when a connected client move mouse" [Normal,Unconfirmed] 
[11:53] <Lure> sorry
[11:53] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39046 in kdenetwork "krfb crashes when a connected client move mouse" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  
[11:53] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39046 in kdenetwork "krfb crashes when a connected client move mouse" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/39046
[11:53] <Lure> I get 1 file changed, 28244 insertions(+), 24450 deletions(-)
[11:54] <Lure> but 260 files are listes in diff...
[11:56] <Riddell> hmm, dunno then, I've not tried it
[11:56] <Riddell> try lsdiff maybe
[11:58] <Lure> I will do it on unpackaged source tree...