[12:04] portergeist bug ;) [12:39] due to the fact that krfb is now unmaitained wich vnc server could be use to take is place? === kmon leaves [12:50] good night everyone [01:08] well I can't turn the splash off using my svn-built amarok. either [01:08] ah good, not my fault then :) [01:10] of course not :) [01:10] I don't see an option in amarokrc for it either [01:12] claydoh: you could try removing kubuntu-default-settings [01:14] ahhh, was looking for the name [01:20] heh that worked :) [01:21] what did it do? [01:22] well, it reset my settings (brought up the first-time wizard) [01:23] but I un-ticked the show-splash option, and it no longer slashes [01:23] curious [01:24] Show Splashscreen=false is in amarokrc [01:24] under [General Options] [01:25] but mof course now Konq KDE looks horrid :) [01:26] claydoh: in your amarokrc or in kubuntu-default-settings'? [01:26] amarokrc [01:27] but which? [01:27] so the option is missing in kubuntu-default-settings then? [01:27] in ~/.kde or /usr/share/ku... [01:27] looking... [01:29] well the line is there [01:29] in /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/config [01:31] very curious [01:33] yeah, after reinstalling kubuntu-default-settings, the lin is now missing again [01:34] maybe somebody messed it up [01:35] hmm no, latest one has it too [01:35] even adding it manually does not work, the added line is gone after restarting [01:35] sorry from ~/.kde... 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[01:23] gearing up for beta release [01:23] even better. [01:25] =) [01:25] Riddell: i know a little c++ on windows (visual c++) and i want to learn to develop on kde! do you have an idea about basic and simple applications wich could held or is needed on kde or kubuntu ? [01:25] marseillai: like Kopete? === Tm_T hides === marseillai slaps Tm_T with a winME bug list! [01:26] thanks sir [01:26] :) [01:26] marseillai: something we're missing is sa floppy disk/usb disk formatting tool [01:27] true [01:27] Riddell: any articles for writing KContral module with python === Tm_T is waiting his Kopete to crash [01:27] marseillai: or you could write a plugin for katapult, still waiting on someone to do spell checking one [01:28] qtparted does this thing? no? [01:28] marseillai: bit too heavy to just format a floppy === marseillai will take a look at formatting floppy, usb disk... [01:29] freeflying: pykdeextensions documentation should have some http://www.simonzone.com/software/pykdeextensions/en/index.html [01:29] like playing single files in amaroK [01:29] freeflying: otherwise look at the code to guidance modules [01:29] Riddell: thx [01:29] marseillai: it should be a simple tool so just a click to format as fat32, not fa qtparted rival or anything [01:30] oki [01:30] yup [01:30] that sounds fairly simple. i swear there's already a tool like this in kde, isn't there? [01:30] kameron: kfloppy, but it's very broken [01:30] just so simple! exactly what i need to learn! :) [01:30] Riddell, any chance of fixing it up, instead of writing something new? [01:30] simple tool that detects media, ask how it should be formatted, warn about data loss, format, quit [01:30] kameron: sure, that's [01:30] kameron: sure, that's another possibility [01:31] JRe was planning on working on a HAL enabled tool but that would be KDE 4 which is ages away yet [01:36] kameron: want a simple job? [01:37] sounds like a good starting point Riddell [01:37] kameron: openoffice doesn't work with KDE's system:/ or media:/ protocols... [01:37] kameron: word on the streets is there's a property X-KDE-Protocols or something that can be added to .desktop files to list which protocols a program can use [01:38] could you investigate if that's right and test if it works for openoffice? [01:38] uhhh. sure. [01:38] i'm unfarmiliar with the system:/ or media:/ protocols. [01:39] put them into konqueror to try them out [01:39] just did. [01:39] or home:/ is another weird one [01:41] Riddell, okay, i see how this works.. how is openoffice supposed to integrate, or work with the protocols? [01:42] kameron: I think it works with file:// ftp:// http:// and maybe smb:// [01:43] you'll have to test to see if that's really the case [01:43] using media:/ to open openoffice, or to open .otd documents, etc? [01:44] .odt * [01:44] yes [01:44] and see if adding X-KDE-Protocols makes it work (you'll need to google for the syntax) [01:45] i still don't quite understand. if i open konq, type system:/, and navigate to a .odt file, it opens in openoffice just fine. [01:46] kameron: browse system:/ or media:/ and find ooo document [01:46] when click on it to open in OOo, it will fail [01:46] ahh, i see now. [01:47] OOo (and other non-KDE apps) do not understand KIO paths (or at least not all) [01:47] we need to convert them to normal path before passing to app - X-KDE-Protocols is supposed to help here [01:49] http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-commits&m=111766073525473&w=3 <- this might be relevant [01:49] see bug 32159 (and duplicates) [01:49] Malone bug 32159 in kdebase "system:// protocol" [Normal,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/32159 [01:50] i open openoffice writer.. click "open".. type "system:/" or "media:/" ... find an .odt.. and it opens fine. i'm still unsure of what you're looking for. [01:52] kameron: that works, due to kde open dialog in OOo [01:52] Lure, what doesn't work? [01:52] You should browse with Konqueror (file manager) and click on file [01:52] for example system:/users//something === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.36] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:54] kameron: does the system:/ or media:/ protocol stay in konqueror's address bar? [01:54] or does it convert to a normal one? [01:55] Riddell, hmm. it doesn't seem to be converting it to a normal one right now. but it did a while ago, i don't know what i did differently. [01:56] and no, it doesn't open in openoffice with the system:/x/x/x in the address bar. [01:56] yeah, we have a patch which (sometimes) converts system:/ to file:/ but doesn't always happen [01:56] try with home:/ as well [01:56] Riddell: it converts only for system:/home (Tonio's change) [01:57] ah, there it is. that's the only one that converts. [01:57] the rest don't. [01:57] what's the use in having these system:/ media:/ etc KIO paths? [01:58] kameron: good question... they look fancy and cause lot's of problems... === DoeRayMe [n=will@ACCB74CA.ipt.aol.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:00] they provide a convenient way to the things they list [02:01] but also openoffice won't work with sftp:/ or fish:/ so it's a more general problem [02:02] Riddell, okay, i'll have a closer look into this a bit later today. i have to head to work soon. [02:04] great, thanks [02:04] happy to help. === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying-ibook [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.36] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:17] Riddell: this kubuntu.de guys do not know when is enough... :-( [02:19] hehe, mindspin was telling me about that [02:25] Lure: ? [02:25] Tm_T: http://kubuntu.de/ [02:27] anyone can use eric3 now ? [02:29] Lure: =) [02:29] Lure: bit too... much? [02:29] Lure: good meaning, but results... [02:29] Tm_T: IMHO, a lot too much. [02:29] yeah === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:48] fmorning Hobbsee [02:48] hi jjesse [02:53] grin its probablly afternoon for you :) [02:55] jjesse: 10.55pm tuesday, yes [02:56] Hobbsee: 08:56am tuesday [02:57] hehe [02:57] NY time. [03:08] Riddell: [03:09] Riddell: if you have any problem with cd space , you can drop ttf-arphic-ukai out [03:09] freeflying-ibook: why's that? === otto99 [n=otto@p54A1AEFB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:11] Riddell: I think you may have problem with cd space , and we are quite satisfy with uming , ukai can be installed by language-support-pack === Jozo_ [i=jozo@viola.uninea.fi] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:12] freeflying-ibook: yeah, cool, thanks [03:12] Riddell: this can be also drop out from ubuntu's cd [03:13] Riddell: or shall talk this with any ubuntu's guy :) === Bluekuja [n=bluekuja@host15-171.pool8250.interbusiness.it] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === seth [n=seth@ubuntu/member/seth] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apachelogger [n=apachelo@amarok/rokymotion/apachelogger] has joined #kubuntu-devel === OdyX [n=Didier@8.Red-80-33-64.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === OculusAquilae [n=bastian@pD950A31D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@p54A61B6D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:44] sigh, kubuntu.de have gone totally loopy [04:46] Riddell: who is jdub === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:47] freeflying-ibook: Jeff Waugh [04:48] http://people.ubuntu.com/~jdub/2006/ubuntu-zh.png --guys from china are feel so sorry that jdub use this picture [04:48] seaLne: how can i cantoct him === claydoh [n=clay@65.99.187.238] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:49] jeff.waugh@ubuntu [04:49] freeflying-ibook: err yeah i can see why some people might not especially like that image [04:50] seaLne: it will hurt all chinese ubuntu fans [04:50] i presume it is a joke... [04:51] seaLne: we are all sensitve with this species joke [04:52] freeflying-ibook: where did he use it? [04:52] Riddell: on fridge [04:53] Riddell: maybe it's joke for jdub, but it will not be any joke for we chinese , he shall know this [04:55] Riddell: Culture revolution bring us too much painfulness [04:56] freeflying-ibook: I've passed your comments on, you can also e-mail fridge-devel@lists.ubuntu.com to poke the other fridge editors [04:56] welcome kameron! :D [04:56] Riddell: thanks [04:56] I can see how that wouldn't be funny, but it sounds like it came from a chinese person so they would have assumed it was ok [04:57] thanks superstoned_ ... i've always wanted to get involved with a distro again, since i left yellowdog and my old ppc. [04:57] well, kubuntu is cool, and has a cool team, so i'm sure you'll have fun :D [04:57] and ignore the fight about kubuntu.de (i'm sure they'll figure it out). [04:57] Riddell: we all don't know the guy giveing this pitcure [04:57] :-) i've been running it only since.. january i think [04:58] KDE has strenght enough, finally it'll emerge as the main ubuntu release ;-) [04:58] is that realistic? [04:58] hmmm, in the long term... [04:58] :-) [04:58] KDE is, after all, more popular than gnome. [04:58] that'd be cool. [04:59] well, yeah. now see how many KDE cd's get distributed, compared to ubuntu :D [04:59] heh. [04:59] from 6.04 i expect Kubuntu to be, quallity-wise (integration etc), equal to gnome. 5.10 and earlier where a bit... buggy... [05:00] a stable livecd, easy to install, it'll make a difference. i'm sure about that. [05:00] can you buy (k)ubuntu cds, swag, mugs, shirts, etc, from cannonical? [05:00] yep [05:00] cd's are free, including shipping! [05:00] yeah, i got hoary and breezy cds in the mail. [05:00] so when 6.04/ ehm 6.06 is out, you can order 20 cd's for free, and share them with the family, friends, etcetera. [05:01] but, i want to buy them. can i do that? [05:01] i think so, not sure tough. [05:01] cds will be from shipit.ubuntu.com if the live isntaller can get finished [05:01] jjesse: and i desperately hope it'll be :D [05:01] btw i did reply on your mail on the kubuntu mailinglist., jjesse [05:02] superstoned_: which one was that? [05:02] about kubuntu.de (me = jos) [05:02] superstoned_: ah :) [05:02] hehe stupid nicks :D [05:02] ^^ that's why i go by kameron. [05:02] tough you could have seen the 'im from the netherlands' as a hint :D [05:02] real name? [05:03] yeah. [05:03] cool name [05:03] me = jos, so i guess you know why i got a nick :D [05:03] lol [05:03] plus people assume my name is cameron (which it isn't) and i'm just a kde freak. but i am a kde freak, so they're half right :P [05:03] what's wrong with jos? [05:03] na, not that bad, but i've had it for 6 years, most ppl know me better as superstoned... [05:03] ah. [05:03] lol [05:10] eh, i guess i should head back to work pretty quick here. [05:13] i should be home in 12 hours at the very latest, i hope someone's around to help me out with that X-KDE-Protocols problem [05:13] see ya. [05:15] bye kameron === ZuZubuntu-fr [n=ZuZubunt@AVelizy-154-1-47-193.w82-124.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:50] OculusAquilae: what's the mood like in #kubuntu-de? 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[n=ubijtsa@karlsson.force9.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:46] Could somebody please update the "-latest" links (koffice and amarok) in k.o/packages? === neoncode [n=neoncode@88-107-206-203.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:56] hunger: amarok done, koffice will be when released [06:56] Riddell: Thanks!!!! [06:56] yay! [07:00] Riddell: does amarok is beta3-a or beta3-b ? [07:04] oooo i can update the release notes for a new version of amarok :) [07:05] marseillai: a [07:05] jjesse: it's not in dapper [07:05] oki [07:05] oh :( [07:08] jjesse: 2.0 ? XD [07:09] jjesse: do the release notes mention Language Support tool? [07:10] Riddell: they should if not i'll make sure they do === bhna [n=andreas@p54B81CC5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=clay@65.99.187.238] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:27] Riddell: don't know if you have seen this or not, but we already have portions of about-kubuntu translated into different languages :) [07:29] jjesse: ooh, rocking [07:29] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/kubuntu-docs/+pots/aboutkubuntu === ubijtsa2 [n=anders@213.208.70.150] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === bhna [n=andreas@p54B81CC5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [07:49] how was the adept bug with octect/mime stream resovled? [07:49] I don't think it was [07:50] bummer === kmon [n=javier@217.Red-80-25-51.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:53] Hi, with amarok 1.4beta3 the third party kubuntu.org repositories are no longer broken AFAIK === ..[topic/#kubuntu-devel:Riddell] : https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuEspresso || https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDapperGoals || http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu || Join: http://www.last.fm/group/Kubuntu+Developers/ || Kubuntu meetings in #ubuntu-meeting -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings [08:01] "For example, to launch the file manager Konqueror with root privileges, type kdesu konqueror" it seems to be pretty dangerous a better example would be kdesu kwrite in my opinion! see in kubuntu-docs on rosetta [08:01] marseillai: too late! string freeze [08:01] arf [08:01] but do you agree? [08:02] i think it should be change at least for next release [08:02] Riddell: so could we take the liberty in translation ? === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:02] oh! un tonio [08:02] Hey Tonio_ [08:02] hey ;) === pradeepto [n=pradeept@dialpool-210-214-13-151.maa.sify.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === superstoned [n=supersto@168-234.surfsnel.dsl.internl.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:07] OdyX: yes please! [08:08] hold on maybe we can change it, already made some changes to the documentation [08:08] what was the question? [08:08] Riddell: OK. So in french, user will open kate and in english, Konqueror :D [08:09] jjesse: root (sudo) should open something more secure than konqui... [08:09] jjesse: odyx is telling that the example kdes konqueror is not really a good example because not secure at all [08:09] jjesse: just imagine new sudo user travelling through /bin or worse: Internet: http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com [08:10] nobody knows what could happen [08:10] is that in the desktop guide [08:10] http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com would fail [08:11] Riddell: I was looking at main inclusions reports...... nothing new on any request.... shouldn't we pingsomeone for knetworkmanager ? [08:11] Riddell: if you want it in flight 7 ;) [08:11] hmm what should we change the example to, this in the deskotpguide? [08:12] Tonio_: you mean dapper beta 1! ;) [08:12] marseillai: of course :) [08:12] Riddell: is FF in two days also impacting main inclusions? [08:12] Lure: urgh....... it is in 2 days ? [08:13] jjesse: that's in DesktopGuide... [08:13] Riddell: we then have to discuss kaffeine too ;) 0.8.1 is very nice ! [08:13] Tonio_: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2006-February/000082.html [08:13] jjesse: #60 [08:13] lure thanks ;) [08:13] Lure: beta freeze. maybe [08:14] Tonio_: actually _ got old (feb) story from Fridge rss ;-) [08:14] Tonio_: yes, lets ping pitti [08:14] Tonio_: as I've said, I'm not too keen on new kaffeine [08:14] I have read it but Februray did not confuse me until I pasted the link here... ;-) [08:15] Riddell: okay ;) I was just thinking it was because of konqueror and now that we will have kmplayer..... [08:15] Tonio_: well, what's good about it? [08:16] Riddell: gui near to amarok, now offers a control bar on the bottom in fullscreen (very cool feature), and it is really stable [08:17] Riddell: that's not a lot, but that better than the actual version ;) [08:17] hay look, it's jjesse http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0132435942/ref=pd_sxp_elt_l1/103-7414591-2654240?n=283155 [08:17] can somebody remind me where can I add additional deb-src repo for pbuilder? [08:17] just below the bacon burger [08:18] Riddell: ;-) [08:18] Riddell: the main argument to me would be the gui, it is totally different, but really nice after a few days ;) [08:20] grin everyone should order lots of copies :) [08:21] Tonio_: does the new kaffeine takes .srt automatically when they have the same name that the readed file? [08:22] marseillai: yes [08:22] Riddell: honnestly, I don't see what is worse with new version ? [08:22] pretty cool [08:22] when it's available no more xine for me! :D [08:22] Riddell: what is the problem you have with it ? are there known bugs I ignore ? [08:24] Tonio_: I just suspect it won't fix anything, if it's just the features we want that goes against feature freeze and UI freeze [08:24] Riddell: it is true it doesn't "fix" anything, and doesn't provide any major improvement.... [08:25] for me, it's no music reader, but very fine DVD / Videos reader... [08:25] Tonio_: koffice 1.5 for example fixes loads of things, so I'll ask for an UVFe for that, but the same can't be said with kaffeine [08:26] Riddell: kubuntu-desktop depends on kaffeine for the moment, ain't it ? [08:26] OdyX: yes [08:26] Riddell: true.... hard to admit but you are (once again) true :) [08:27] Riddell: anything I can work on ? I don't find anything to change deeply in k-d-s or something.... [08:28] Tonio_: application type not found at starting Adept :D [08:29] OdyX: I know a solution to that, but that's not very nice.... [08:29] Tonio_: there's a new kio-apt for revu [08:29] and if you talk about patch in code, that's not of my abilities.... [08:29] Riddell: great ;) [08:29] Lure: were you meaning OTHERMIRROR in /etc/pbuilder/pbuilderrc ? [08:30] seaLne: yes, that can be used now that universe do not need it - thanks === Lure needs it for kubuntu.no-ip.org to get latest powersave-dev required by new kpowersave [08:35] seaLne: does not help... :-( [08:35] re create the tgz? or edit the tgz? === AWAY is now known as ZuZubuntu-fr [08:37] i don't know enough about pbuilder to help, sorry [08:38] ZuZubuntu-fr: could you set your away script to not use a generic nick? [08:39] seaLne: will ask in #ubuntu-motu [08:42] seaLne: solved - sudo pbuilder update --override-config [08:43] what else? just with changing OTHERMIRROR? === pradeepto [n=pradeept@dialpool-210-214-13-151.maa.sify.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:43] OTHERMIRROR, then you need to update with --override-config (in order to update from new config file) [08:43] ah, so recreating the tgz would have worked aswell then just longer :) [08:44] seaLne: exactly - actually raphink told me this some days ago, I just did not remember... [08:48] Riddell, jjesse: will we contribute to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperBeta [08:49] Lure: please do [08:50] Lure: i had no idea about DapperBeta but we should do one [08:50] Riddell: just to that page or should we have Kubuntu specific one [08:50] kubuntu specific one [08:50] is there a way to better know when these are being released and what they will be called? [08:51] jjesse: makes sense, as we have a lot to announce (no flight announcements for Kubuntu) [08:51] Lure: yeah i know i've been swamped with the kubuntu book :( [08:51] jjesse: Flights were very unpredictable (you could get some idea by following dev meetings), but beta is Apr 20 [08:51] which dev meetings? [08:52] should it be KubuntuDapperBeta or DapperBeta/Kubuntu? [08:52] Dapper development status meetings [08:52] Lure: are you the one that mgalvin CC'ed me on an email? [08:53] Riddell: reviewed, but if we want to loose sync and provide a 0ubuntu1 package, I don't think it is nice enough... [08:53] jjesse: probably not... [08:55] so what do you think everyone, KubuntuDapperBeta or DapperBeta/Kubuntu ? [08:56] Tonio_: since kpowersave 0.6.0 is not released for debian yet, I have to name package -0ubuntu1? [08:56] Tonio_: I don't understand === pradeepto_ [n=pradeept@dialpool-210-214-12-116.maa.sify.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:56] jjesse: depends if it shares any material with DapperBeta [08:57] Lure: yes [08:57] Riddell: don't understand what ? I was talking about the review of kio-apt [08:57] Riddell: I think the package needs to be modernised if we break the standard debian sync and provide a 0ubuntu1 package === apachelogger [n=apachelo@amarok/rokymotion/apachelogger] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:59] Riddell: well it will have the same look/feel [09:00] Riddell: I think DapperBeta/GNOME and DapperBeta/KDE would be best ;-) [09:01] Tonio_: why? we always want to keep the difference from debian as small as possible [09:02] jjesse: if it's a complete article in itself go for KubuntuDapperBeta, if it only shows the kubuntu changes and refers to DapperBeta for non-GUI changes then go for DapperBeta/Kubuntu [09:02] or what Lure says [09:02] Riddell: hum..... I was told in the past that we can be synced, but if we provide an 0ubuntu1 package, and break the sync, it is better to fit with ubuntu requirements.... [09:03] Riddell: that can be discuss and maybe I'm wrong..... [09:03] Riddell: but I got big NO sometimes because of this :) [09:04] Riddell: would you suggest to keep sync with debian instead ? [09:05] Tonio_: well what are you suggesting to change? === raphink-pbook [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:05] Riddell: compat and debhelper version, debian/copyright misses (c) informations, there is a file renamed bia a dpatch patch which is really ugly.... [09:06] Riddell: lots of little things that would make the package getting a NO if it was NEW [09:06] so unless the quality insurance is different for an update compared to a NEW, I don't see how I can give a yes to this, that's not logic.... [09:07] Tonio_: we don't go changig packaging unless there's a need for it, it makes sync harder [09:07] manual syncing in this case [09:07] Riddell: then should we sync the debian package manually without any modification ? [09:07] Tonio_: no, there's kubuntu specific changes in that package [09:08] Riddell: okay... [09:09] Riddell: but renaming a file via a patch (and that the kubuntu specific) is really crappy.... [09:09] Tonio_: I seem to remember there's a good reason for it though [09:09] what's the file? [09:09] Riddell: kio-apt.png.uu [09:09] in debian/ [09:10] Tonio_: if it doesn't cause any problems I'd rather not change it just now, feature freeze and all that [09:12] Riddell: hum, yes [09:12] Riddell: well maybe I'm a bit more strict 'I've been teached by allee and dholbach ^^) [09:12] s/more/too much [09:13] Tonio_: don't get weak! :) [09:14] allee: lol [09:15] Riddell: but I take note for the future, that it is better to keep closer to the debian packaging in that case ;) [09:15] does anyone know how to import a gimp pallete (the ubuntu one) and how to use it? === seaLne swears as gimp crashes when he is messing with the pallets [09:17] Tonio_: " Riddell: it is true it doesn't "fix" anything, and doesn't provide any major improvement...." [09:17] Tonio_: [09:17] Kaffeine Changelog for 0.8.1: [09:17] * fixed: system:/media urls [09:18] Tonio_: "fixed: system:/media urls" [09:18] yuriy: does it work ? [09:18] Riddell: if that's true it might be worthwhile [09:18] yuriy: I tested and that didn't work for me ;) [09:18] Tonio_: i havent tried it yet will test [09:19] yuriy: thanks :) [09:20] Tonio_: and what about (see #kubuntu-fr), disappeared option for disabling suspend ? [09:21] OdyX: I think it is managed differently now [09:21] or fixed in the code [09:21] anyway I never got suspend using it, even for 2 ours [09:24] OdyX: according to marseillai that doesn't work..... [09:24] OdyX: what about you ? [09:24] Tonio_: it doesn't even work... [09:24] maybe connected with powersaved [09:25] OdyX: anyway, it will not go in dapper, so........ [09:25] powersaved ? [09:25] or kaffeine ? [09:25] kaffeine [09:25] OdyX: probably both :) [09:25] ok created KubuntuDapperBeta and have like two lines on it, but i need to do more work === ZuZubuntu-fr is now known as AWAY [09:46] Tonio_: talking about powersave - I just uploaded kpowersave 0.6.0 [09:46] I think we are ready to ask for UVF exception [09:46] should I open bugs or will you do it? [09:47]