[02:05] <bddebian> Heya gang
[02:06] <crimsun> lo bddebian
[02:07] <bddebian> Heya Oh Great One :-)
[02:07] <zul> hey
[02:08] <bddebian> Oh Hello zul :-)
[02:08] <zul> hey bddebian how is it going?
[02:08] <bddebian> OK, thanks, you?
[02:08] <zul> good...just watching the hockey game
[02:21] <bddebian> Who is Jordan Mantha?  I feel that I should know that name/nick?
[02:23] <crimsun> laserjock.
[02:26] <bddebian> Uh duuh
[02:26] <bddebian> I'm soo bad at associating names with nicks :-(
[02:27] <bddebian> crimsun: Did you ever get a chance to check out ivtools btw?  infinity keeps ignoring me. :-)
[02:28] <crimsun> bddebian: haven't yet; I'm finishing an edit of Jordan's packaging guide atm
[02:28] <bddebian> ah nice
[02:30] <bddebian> crimsun: s'ok, infinity says he knows the fix I guess
[02:30] <crimsun> bddebian: ok
[02:43] <rtcm> hello all
[02:44] <rtcm> I'm trying to debug a system daemon which is crashing (segv) so I'd like to get a core dump file, or in someway atach gdb to it, any ideas?
[02:45] <rtcm> btw, it crashes right at the start thus I can't "normally" attach gdb to it
[03:02] <Amaranth> what daemon?
[03:02] <Lathiat> rtcm: start it under gdb
[03:02] <Lathiat> rtcm: gdb /usr/bin/blah
[03:02] <Lathiat> run <arguments here>
[03:04] <rtcm> Lathiat: yep doing that, nevermind my sillyness :-P
[03:04] <ajmitch> Lathiat: I think I'll reconsider moving to .au ;)
[03:07] <ajmitch> impressive post to launchpad-users
[03:07] <ajmitch> the sole content of it is "Free CD's UBUNTO LINUX New Release Thanks"
[03:07] <Lathiat> ajmitch: its wet here too :)
[03:07] <ajmitch> how annoying
[03:08] <bddebian> Uh oh, ajmitch is annoyed with me again :-)
[03:08] <ajmitch> bddebian: me? never
[03:09] <jmg> anyone know how to exclude a directory from inclusion in a source package built by dpkg-buildpackage?
[03:09] <bddebian>  rm?
[03:09] <ajmitch> jmg: see dpkg-buildpackage manpage
[03:10] <ajmitch> specifically the -i option in the dpkg-source section
[03:11] <jmg> ajmitch: thanks
[03:15] <jmg> ajmitch: hmmm
[03:15] <jmg> ajmitch: how do i make that directive get obeyed by dpkg-buildpackage?
[03:17] <ajmitch> dpkg-buildpackage -i.bzr
[03:17] <ajmitch> irc
[03:18] <jmg> aha
[03:18] <jmg> now how to make that happen everytime
[03:18] <ajmitch> well I think that's what worked for me :)
[03:18] <ajmitch> type it out everytime, or use debuild & set it in the options
[03:18] <ajmitch> DEBUILD_DPKG_BUILDPACKAGE_OPTS
[03:19] <ajmitch> you don't put it in the rules
[03:19] <Lathiat> hrm, what does chmod +t do?
[03:19] <ajmitch> Lathiat: not much these days
[03:19] <ajmitch> it's the sticky bit
[03:19] <ajmitch> STICKY DIRECTORIES
[03:19] <ajmitch>        When  the sticky bit is set on a directory, files in that directory may be unlinked or renamed only by the directory owner as well as by root or the file owner.  Without the sticky bit, anyone able
[03:20] <ajmitch>        to write to the directory can delete or rename files.  The sticky bit is commonly found on directories, such as /tmp, that are world-writable.
[03:20] <ajmitch> lovely name for it
[03:20] <Lathiat> ah
[03:20] <Lathiat> where did you find that?
[03:20] <Lathiat> oh, in the man page, its just not associated witH +t
[03:38] <lifeless> ajmitch: still in .au ?
[03:39] <ajmitch> lifeless: no, been back in Dunedin for a month now :)
[03:39] <ajmitch> hi StevenK
[03:42] <StevenK> I was actually going okay with the 4th prac for SP2, until a gaggle of first years and their tutor moved into the lab I was using.
[03:43] <ajmitch> heh
[03:43] <ajmitch> sounds like the rain has stopped briefly, hopefully there's enough time for me to run back to uni
[03:44] <ajmitch> more lab demonstrating fun
[03:45] <StevenK> Heh
[05:00] <bddebian> Where the hell is everyone?
[05:00] <freeflying> bddebian: hi
[05:02] <bddebian> Heya freeflying
[05:09] <Se7h> aloha
[05:10] <bddebian> Heya Se7h
[05:13] <Se7h> hi bddebian :)
[06:23] <ajmitch> ok
[06:25] <bddebian> OK?
[06:29] <ajmitch> yes
[06:35] <Unfrgiven> does anyone know how to convert the timestamp shown in dmesg to actual time? or alternatively get the current dmesg timestamp?
[06:36] <ajmitch> Unfrgiven: no, since it appears relative to system boot time
[06:38] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: really? then you would expect the first entry to be a smallish number right? what unit of measurement is it?
[06:39] <ajmitch> Unfrgiven: seconds? I don't know :)
[06:39] <ajmitch> dmesg only holds a set number of messages before dropping them, that's why we have /var/log/{dmesg,syslog}
[06:40] <ajmitch> first entry here is [    0.000000]  Bootdata ok (command line is root=/dev/mapper/ubuntu-root ro quiet splash)
[06:40] <ajmitch> might be milliseconds
[06:41] <Unfrgiven> ok no probs, thanks :)
[07:18] <LaserJock> bddebian: ping?
[07:18] <ajmitch> hi LaserJock
[07:18] <bddebian> LaserJock: pong
[07:20] <LaserJock> hi ajmitch
[07:21] <LaserJock> bddebian: yes, probably a symlink would be fine until Debian/upstream fixes the problem
[07:21] <bddebian> Well I can't get it to work :-(
[07:21] <LaserJock> It wasn't too nice of upstream to hard code the directory for the help
[07:21] <LaserJock> bddebian: no?
[07:22] <bddebian> No, dh_link doesn't seem to like to symlink dirs
[07:23] <LaserJock> ok, I gotta get to bed, I'll fix it tomorrow if you don't, ok?
[07:23] <bddebian> NP
[07:23] <bddebian> BTW, also if you get a sec, check out saoimage, it FTBFSs for me
[07:24] <bddebian> Oh, Gnight :-)
[07:45] <LaserJock_away> bddebian: ok, will do - in the morning
[08:26] <dholbach> hello motu world!
[08:26] <Gloubiboulga> morning dholbach
[08:27] <dholbach> hi Gloubiboulga
[08:30] <Unfrgiven> dholbach: hey
[08:30] <ajmitch> hi dholbach
[08:32] <dholbach> hey Unfrgiven, ajmitch - i see the aussies^wkiwis are still there :)
[08:34] <ajmitch> dholbach, inciting trouble as always...
[08:36] <Unfrgiven> dholbach: i hear that then next ubuntu conference is going to be out your way?
[08:36] <dholbach> Unfrgiven: i wish i could say that - no idea, honestly
[08:36] <dholbach> with the delay of the dapper relase all the planning had to be done again
[08:37] <dholbach> so i'm afraid I can't even give unofficial hints
[08:38] <ajmitch> doesn't surprise me
[08:39] <zakame> hi all
[08:39] <ajmitch> as I'm hoping it'll fall right in the 3-4 week break I have ;)
[08:39] <Gloubiboulga> hey zakame :)
[08:39] <zakame> hello Gloubiboulga
[09:01] <Unfrgiven> whiprush: dude, ur post finally worked! p.u.c is sydnicating it well now. what was the prob?
[09:09] <Unfrgiven> Seveas: hey dude
[09:10] <Seveas> hi
[09:10] <Unfrgiven> Seveas: you had a chance to talk to lilo? :)
[09:10] <Seveas> yes, I even poked him about the cloaks 
[09:11] <Unfrgiven> Seveas: did he respond?
[09:11] <Seveas> was at the end of a long conversation, had to leave
[09:12] <Seveas> apparently it slipped his mind
[09:12] <Seveas> will poke again 
[09:12] <Unfrgiven> Seveas: thanks!
[10:15] <Toadstool> hi all
[10:16] <freeflying> Toadstool: hi
[10:16] <Toadstool> hi freeflying
[10:22] <Unfrgiven> Seveas: ping?
[10:22] <Unfrgiven> Seveas: in bug 38566 on Launchpad, you said that someone is already working on packaging the madwifi-ng drivers?
[10:22] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 38566 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15 "update to madwifi-ng" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/38566
[10:23] <Unfrgiven> Seveas: who is doing that? i just made packages of it myself on the weekend. perhaps i can assist the person?
[10:26] <Seveas> Unfrgiven, I heard from infinity (iirc) that there are plans to distribute it in universe since several cards need it
[10:27] <Seveas> Unfrgiven, and please apply the wext-19-compliance patch to your package 
[10:27] <Unfrgiven> Seveas: well ive packaged it so i can upload it if need be.
[10:27] <Unfrgiven> Seveas: where do i get that patch?
[10:28] <Seveas> sec
[10:28] <Seveas> madwifi bug 462
[10:28] <Ubugtu> Madwifi bug 462 in madwifi: 802.11 stack "Current WEXT Standard Compliance" [Enhancement,New]  http://madwifi.org/ticket/462
[10:29] <Unfrgiven> wext19_060402.patch (17.0 kB) - added by eaton.lists@gmail.com on 04/03/06 05:10:19. nearly complete patch, applies cleanly to r1489
[10:30] <Unfrgiven> looks lik it was already applied to r1489?
[10:30] <Unfrgiven> ive packaged r1497
[10:32] <Seveas> it's not applied yet
[10:33] <Unfrgiven> alright. ill take a look when i get home from work.
[10:33] <Unfrgiven> im heading home now. cya later
[10:33] <Seveas> ciao
[10:33] <Seveas> I'm heading to work soon 
[10:34] <MrFaber> hi all
[10:35] <MrFaber> Can please someone patch checkinstall like described in bug report?
[10:40] <MrFaber> And please fix loop-aes-source. It would be very sad if this bug comes in release.
[11:09] <zakame> hi all
[11:39] <zakame> hmm is there a bug with dh_iconcache
[11:39] <zakame> ?
[11:40] <dholbach> yes
[11:40] <dholbach> i just did an upload
[11:40] <dholbach> which bug did you spot?
[11:42] <dholbach> zakame: ^
[11:42] <zakame> dholbach: line 32, missing $tmp in -printf switch, or is that intentiona?
[11:43] <zakame> I suddently can't make the post* stuff, find says it cant find /usr/share/icons ... was doing this with darksnow last night
[11:44] <dholbach> that's for replacing, so there's /usr/share/icons/hicolor in @icon_dirs
[11:44] <dholbach> that line is good
[11:44] <dholbach> that there's no .post* that was a different bug
[11:45] <dholbach> the check if there were subdirs was wrong in dh_iconcache - i moved it to the post*
[11:45] <dholbach> that should be fine now
[11:47] <dholbach> i just did the upload in ubuntu8
[11:47] <dholbach> so it might take some time until it's at your end
[11:47] <dholbach> i can upload the deb if you like
[11:47] <dholbach> to test it
[11:48] <dholbach> zakame: it's at http://daniel.holba.ch/ubuntu/
[11:48] <zakame> cool! thanks =)
[11:49] <dholbach> thank you for taking it seriously
[11:49] <dholbach> and i'm sorry for the bug I introduced
[11:49] <dholbach> but it should be better now and even clean the cache if there's nothing left
[11:50] <dholbach> :-D
[11:50] <zakame> I hope to finish half of the list before thursday
[11:51] <dholbach> some might need a rebuild because of my stupidity
[11:51] <dholbach> but i'll check all of them for release again
[11:51] <dholbach> so just keep on going
[11:51] <zakame> thanks again! =)
[12:50] <adn> hi
[12:50] <adn> who did I talk to last time I came about vlc? :)
[12:51] <adn> Toadstool: help me! :)
[12:51] <adn> G0SUB_: was it you?
[12:51] <Toadstool> hi adn :)
[12:51] <adn> G0SUB_: yes, it was you :)
[12:52] <adn> Toadstool: well, I've built a vlc package for dapper, if someone is interested
[12:52] <adn> (with less than 60M diff with Debian's version :p)
[12:54] <Toadstool> adn: svn version?
[12:55] <adn> last -test2 version
[12:55] <adn> and I think I'll be ready to get a 0.8.5-final version as soon as it is released
[12:55] <adn> (in about 2 weeks)
[12:56] <adn> test2 was released around one week ago, I think
[12:58] <Toadstool> adn: for new upstream versions of a package, we must follow https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2006-February/000545.html as we are in UpstreamVersionFreeze
[01:00] <adn> cassidy: hello, sorry to bother you, but do you know someone called quentin baire?
[01:01] <cassidy> adn: no. I should ?
[01:01] <jmg> what was the keyring email for revu again?
[01:01] <adn> cassidy: nono
[01:01] <ajmitch> jmg: keyring@tiber.tauware.de
[01:02] <adn> cassidy: it is a friend of mine who is student in a physics lab at ulb
[01:02] <jmg> hi ajmitch :)
[01:02] <jmg> i exported my secret key
[01:02] <ajmitch> evening jmg
[01:02] <adn> so I wondered if physInfo was the one :)
[01:02] <cassidy> adn: no, i don't know him :)
[01:02] <infinito> is it possible to remove an application from REVU?
[01:02] <ajmitch> infinito: yes, ask us :)
[01:03] <infinito> ajmitch: gcfilms is no longer needed on revu, as it is synced from debian
[01:03] <ajmitch> ok
[01:03] <ajmitch> infinito: it's in the archive section
[01:04] <ajmitch> generally we don't remove completely
[01:04] <Unfrgiven> infinito: hey dude
[01:06] <infinito> ajmitch: sorry, i didnt realize it was in archived... anyway, that pkg was never used
[01:08] <Unfrgiven> infinito: were you working on madwifi-ng pacakges?
[01:08] <infinito> Unfrgiven: no, i don't
[01:09] <adn> Toadstool: I don't think I'll move myself to make an exception
[01:09] <adn> Toadstool: I'll see for the next version of ubuntu
[01:09] <adn> well, thanks, I have to leave :)
[01:13] <Unfrgiven> infinito: ok no probs :) i'll just continue on my packages then
[01:14] <infinito> Unfrgiven: maybe you were thinking on infinity...
[01:15] <Unfrgiven> infinito: yeah i was told infinity and i thought the name must be a typo :)
[01:37] <ajmitch> hm, TB meeting in the morning
[01:37] <ajmitch> I guess I could get up in time for this one
[01:45] <tseng> hi ogra
[01:45] <ajmitch> hi ogra
[01:48] <jmg> TB?
[01:48] <jmg> Team Building?
[01:48] <Gloubiboulga> jmg, Technical Board
[01:48] <jmg> ubuntu tech board?
[01:48] <jmg> where is the meeting held?
[01:48] <tseng> #ubuntu-meeting
[01:48] <Gloubiboulga> on #ubuntu-meeting
[01:57] <tseng> dholbach: gnome 2.14.1, *hug*
[01:57] <dholbach> tseng: working on it :)
[01:58] <tseng> i see :)
[02:50] <zakame> hi
[03:21] <Unfrgiven> what does it mean when patch says something like "hunk succeeded with fuzz"?
[03:22] <Unfrgiven> does it mean that it all worked ok? or do i need to inspect the changes?
[03:22] <kelmo> fuzz could be indicator of a patch gone wrong
[03:22] <kelmo> check fuzzy patches, always
[03:22] <Unfrgiven> check it just around the fuzz or the rest of the patch too?
[03:23] <kelmo> where the fuzz is, in particular
[03:23] <Unfrgiven> cool, it looks fine. the patch applied successfully. thanks
[03:30] <tuxmaniac> Can someone tell me who is taking care of #6266 ticket
[03:31] <Hobbsee> bug 6626?
[03:31] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 6626 in rhythmbox "rhythmbox: an album added to the queue plays out of order" [Unknown,Unknown]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6626
[03:31] <tuxmaniac> no 6266
[03:31] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: hi
[03:31] <Hobbsee> hi Tm_T
[03:31] <Tm_T> bug 6266
[03:31] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 6266 in xcircuit "xcircuit version is old" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6266
[03:31] <Hobbsee> bug 6266
[03:32] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 6266 in xcircuit "xcircuit version is old" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6266
[03:32] <Hobbsee> oops...
[03:32] <tuxmaniac> yes
[03:32] <Tm_T> =)
[03:32] <Tm_T> xcircuit?
[03:32] <tuxmaniac> Ubugtu: yes
[03:32] <tuxmaniac> Tm_T: yes
[03:32] <Tm_T> tuxmaniac: what's that
[03:32] <tuxmaniac> Tm_T: Its a Software for designing Circuits [Electronics] 
[03:32] <Tm_T> aah
[03:32] <Tm_T> hey!
[03:33] <Tm_T> looks good
[03:34] <Tm_T> why I haven't seen this before :o
[03:34] <ajmitch> tuxmaniac: I'd say noone is
[03:34] <tuxmaniac> ajmitch: I just wanted to confim this so that I can try to do something about it..
[03:35] <Tm_T> hehe
[03:35] <tuxmaniac> ajmitch: Tm_T : it is useful for Hardware Software Guys
[03:36] <Tm_T> like me
[03:37] <tuxmaniac> Tm_T: Which Software u use to flash AVR Chips?
[03:38] <Tm_T> tuxmaniac: well, no success yet in Linux, so codevisionavr in windows
[03:38] <tuxmaniac> :(
[03:39] <Tm_T> we spent one day with one pro trying to flash in Linux... 5min with CVavr and whoo, done
[03:40] <tuxmaniac> Is there no software in linux for flashing AVRs?
[03:40] <tuxmaniac> I mean with proven success?
[03:41] <Se7h> whats avr ?
[03:41] <tuxmaniac> its a microcontroller
[03:41] <tuxmaniac> Se7h: Microcontrller
[03:42] <tuxmaniac> Tm_T: Did u ry avrdude
[03:42] <tuxmaniac> Did you try avrdude
[03:43] <Tm_T> hmm, not sure
[03:43] <Tm_T> I think yes
[03:43] <tuxmaniac> Tm_T: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7289
[03:45] <Tm_T> ugh
[03:45] <Tm_T> thanks
[04:52] <bddebian> Heya Gang
[04:59] <Yagisan> G'day bddebian
[04:59] <bddebian> Howdy Yagisan
[05:01] <Yagisan> bddebian: hows your day been ?
[05:03] <bddebian> Yagisan: Not bad since I just woke up. :-)  You?
[05:17] <Yagisan> bddebian: exhausted. I spent all day doing my work, and all the cooking, cleaning, and childminding - and it still isn't finished
[05:18] <bddebian> It NEVER is :-)
[05:28] <Spec> Is it possible to get the '.changes' file from a package in the ubuntu repository?
[05:34] <slomo_> Spec: no... why would you want it?
[05:36] <Spec> I wanted to test this local apt repository i'm setting up for someone else
[05:36] <Spec> but I need a program and a .changes file to use dput
[05:36] <slomo_> create one yourself :)
[05:36] <slomo_> dpkg-buildpackage or debuild creates one for you
[05:37] <slomo_> (well, dpkg-genchanges to be exact)
[06:21] <bddebian> OK Oh MOTU Gods, how can I symlink dirs?  dh_link doesn't seem to like it..
[06:48] <crimsun> FunnyHat_Work: no, that's very much a debhelper question, which is on-topic here.
[06:50] <FunnyHat_Work> crimsun, Ahh ok.  I had thought this was mainly for packaging and repository discussion.
[06:50] <bddebian> Heya crimsun
[06:51] <crimsun> FunnyHat_Work: it is, and that's a packaging question :)
[06:51] <crimsun> bddebian: heya
[06:51] <bddebian> OK, I know someone told me this already but how can I add an icon file to a package without regenerating the orig.tar.gz?
[06:54] <azeem> bddebian: put it in the .diff.gz
[06:55] <azeem> i.e. somewhere in debian/ and install it in the install: target or via dh_install (unless it doesn't set --srcdir=debian/tmp)
[06:56] <FunnyHat_Work> I'm so nub  :)
[06:58] <bddebian> azeem: That's what I'm trying to do but I get "unrepresentable changes to ..." problems :-(
[06:58] <azeem> bddebian: you need to uuencode binary data in patches
[06:58] <azeem> and thus also in .diff.gz
[06:59] <bddebian> Oh ugh
[07:14] <ivoks> anyone here? any MOTU :)
[07:14] <bddebian> Yo
[07:14] <ivoks> ou! :)
[07:14] <dholbach> heya!
[07:14] <ivoks> one quick q.
[07:15] <ivoks> i have new wifi-radar (mostly bugfixes)
[07:15] <ivoks> i would like to upload it
[07:15] <ivoks> but i'm not sure should i ask for UVF exception
[07:15] <ivoks> or just upload
[07:15] <ivoks> it is a new version, not new revision
[07:15] <crimsun> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2006-February/000545.html
[07:16] <ivoks> oh, thanks
[07:17] <ivoks> great procedure
[07:17] <ivoks> so, how are you guys?
[07:21] <crimsun> ivoks: busy as always. How's the work going?
[07:22] <ivoks> don't ask :(
[07:22] <ivoks> i got 20kg in 4 months
[07:22] <ivoks> that's 1/4 of my weight before i got job at redhat partner :)
[07:22] <ivoks> from 80kg to 100kg :)
[07:35] <cbx33> in malone, is a debdiff classed as a patch?  - when it says tick this box if it's a patch?
[07:35] <crimsun> yes.
[07:35] <crimsun> (you can apply a debdiff, so it must be a patch)
[07:36] <cbx33> ok
[07:36] <cbx33> LaserJock said to assign it the motureviewers then
[07:36] <cbx33> not motu-reviewers
[07:36] <cbx33> did i get the spelling right there?
[07:37] <LaserJock> yep
[07:37] <cbx33> thanks LaserJock
[07:37] <cbx33> did you get my pm?
[07:38] <cbx33> what do i change the status to?
[07:38] <cbx33> In Progress
[07:38] <cbx33> ?
[07:38] <cbx33> it was Confirmed
[07:39] <LaserJock> cbx33: no, I don't think I got the pm. Yeah, In Progress works
[07:39] <LaserJock> crimsun: how is the packaging guide reviewing going?
[07:40] <crimsun> LaserJock: I'm 50% finished with generic/packagingguide/C/basic.xml
[07:40] <crimsun> that should be the bulk of it
[07:40] <LaserJock> crimsun: cool
[07:41] <LaserJock> yeah
[07:45] <cbx33> w00t
[07:45] <cbx33> first bug submitted
[07:45] <LaserJock> what to go cbx33!
[07:46] <cbx33> you didn't get my pm about my other bug?
[07:47] <cbx33> resent
[07:48] <bddebian> dpatch can work without a 00list?
[07:48] <cbx33> looks like it
[07:49] <Gloubiboulga> bddebian, 00list is needed I think
[07:49] <cbx33> well a package I'm working on doesn't have one
[07:49] <cbx33> what do i do...
[07:50] <bddebian> cbx33: Neither does qgis afaict
[07:50] <cbx33> i have to add a patch that modifies something a previous patch does
[07:50] <cbx33> is that ok?
[07:56] <Gloubiboulga> I'd modify the patch, but I'm not sure that's the good way to do this
[07:56] <cbx33> what's the good way
[07:56] <cbx33> :p
[07:57] <cbx33> it' difficult
[07:57] <cbx33> i have to apply the patch and then create a new patch from that source :S
[07:57] <cbx33> you're right not good....either...this is quite a mess...
[08:07] <cbx33> anyideas?
[08:28] <kiko> hello sacred MOTU hackers
[08:28] <kiko> I see, ignoring me
[08:29] <bddebian> Hello kiko
[08:29] <kiko> how's it going
[08:30] <bddebian> Busy :-)
[08:31] <bddebian> OK, gotta take the kids to the park, later gang
[08:31] <kiko> I'm looking for a motu who can give gtimelog some loving!
[08:32] <kiko> normally ajmitch takes pity on me
[08:33] <kiko> but today it seems that the world is busy watching iran
[08:38] <Lure> can somebody remind me how to add additional repo to dapper pbuilder - OTHERMIRROR did not help
[08:39] <Spec> slomo_: thanks
[08:46] <Lure> solved - sudo pbuilder update --override-config
[09:54] <cbx33> boo ya :p - he's back
[10:13] <cbx33> when i do an apt-get remove on a package it tries to remove ubuntu-desktop I know this isn't desirable...where would the problem lie?
[10:13] <Kyral> ubuntu-desktop depends on it
[10:13] <Kyral> enough said
[10:13] <crimsun> ubuntu-desktop is fine to remove. It eases dist-upgrades between released Ubuntu versions, though, which is why you'd want to have it installed.
[10:13] <cbx33> no it doesn't
[10:14] <cbx33> ah i see
[10:14] <LaserJock> cbx33: there is a Technical Board meeting going on in #ubuntu-meetings if you want to take a peak at the proccess
[10:14] <Kyral> in a nutshell
[10:14] <cbx33> oooh yes
[10:14] <Tm_T> ubuntu-desktop contains only dependencies
[10:14] <cbx33> thanks LaserJock
[10:14] <Kyral> the -Desktop packages exist to pull in the things installed normally with the respective variants
[10:15] <Kyral> and when new things are added to the default installs, they get added to the -Desktop package
[10:15] <cbx33> i see
[10:16] <Kyral> you can remove the -Desktop packages fine, and the software will continue to upgrade. What purpose the -Desktop packages serve once installed is to keep a "standard" set on the computer
[10:16] <cbx33> so, anyone got any advice on my little problem with a package I'm trying to fix...
[10:16] <Kyral> frankly I dislike the entire concept....
[10:16] <cbx33> i need to patch a patch :p
[10:17] <LaserJock> Kyral: what would you do instead?
[10:17] <Kyral> I use Arch now :P
[10:18] <Kyral> On my laptop I keep Xubuntu-Desktop around just because I haven't removed anything that it depends on
[10:18] <Kyral> On my server, well that is 4 systems in one, so it doesn't really apply
[10:19] <Kyral> and it runs headless anyway, so the point is moot
[10:20] <Kyral> the Server is Xen Breezy (so that means custom compiled Kernels and Xen) and otherwise is stripped down like crazy
[10:23] <LaserJock> I found a bunch of qemu images for various distros, I was thinking of trying a few out
[10:23] <cbx33> qemu is ok
[10:24] <cbx33> LaserJock, would it be better to patch a patch, or modify the existing patch
[10:24] <LaserJock> depends on the amount of changes
[10:24] <LaserJock> I would guess
[10:24] <cbx33> it's only one line modification
[10:25] <cbx33> the change last made to port to ubunutu actualy broke the package
[10:26] <LaserJock> cbx33: and it is in the realm of the patch? generally we seperate patches if they are for different purposes or different files for instance
[10:26] <cbx33> it is a line which is changed in the patch
[10:27] <cbx33> it was put move file locations
[10:27] <LaserJock> oh, then for sure patch the patch
[10:27] <cbx33> just mod the patch?
[10:27] <cbx33> or create a whole patch for it?
[10:27] <cbx33> if so how does that work even :p
[10:36] <LaserJock> cbx33: is it a dpatch patch?
[10:36] <cbx33> i don;t think so.,,,
[10:36] <cbx33> it has not dpatch header
[10:36] <cbx33> and no 00list
[10:36] <LaserJock> k
[10:36] <LaserJock> then you probably need to redo the patch
[10:37] <cbx33> ok, i think I can just modify one line in the patch file
[10:37] <cbx33> and rebuild
[10:38] <cbx33> is that a valid method?
[10:40] <LaserJock> well, it depends on if it works ;-)
[10:40] <cbx33> I'm sure it will
[10:40] <LaserJock> patches usually don't work too well if you edit them by hand
[10:40] <cbx33> I'll try it
[10:58] <bddebian> OK, folks, what have I missed? :-)
[11:08] <dholbach> night guys
[11:08] <LaserJock> cya dholbach
[11:08] <dholbach> night LaserJock
[11:19] <bddebian> dpatch is just dpatch apply-all?
[11:21] <JohnnyMast> Natja ik zou je connectie eens checken :)
[11:22] <Natja> JohnnyMast: huh ?
[11:22] <JohnnyMast> you heared me
[11:23] <Natja> well, not really
[11:24] <JohnnyMast> your from the france part of belgium ?
[11:25] <hub> JohnnyMast: there is no france part in belgium
[11:25] <JohnnyMast> there is
[11:25] <hub> france and belgium are 2 different countries
[11:26] <JohnnyMast> no im talking about the france language
[11:26] <JohnnyMast> wich belguim is split up in dutch and france
[11:26] <Natja> do you mean french language ?
[11:27] <Natja> anyway, you said "Natja I will check your connection"
[11:27] <Natja> but I don't understand why
[11:27] <hub> JohnnyMast: split?
[11:28] <hub> you mean the fact that there is a bilinguism>
[11:28] <hub> which has nothing to do with france
[11:28] <hub> fortunately
[11:28] <Natja> hub: exactly
[11:29] <hub> leave the French were they are :-)
[11:29] <JohnnyMast> lol im not talking about the ppl
[11:30] <JohnnyMast> the language
[11:30] <hub> france is not a language
[11:30] <hub> it is a country
[11:30] <JohnnyMast> frensh
[11:30] <JohnnyMast> what ever
[11:30] <JohnnyMast> :p
[11:30] <JohnnyMast> but dutch powns belgium
[11:31] <crimsun> bddebian: in what context?
[11:31] <JohnnyMast> like back in the old days when we learned them how to speak dutch
[11:31] <bddebian> crimsun: qgis has .dpatch files in debian/patches but doesn't run them apparently
[11:31] <bddebian> crimsun: Though in includes dpatch.mk in rules
[11:31] <crimsun> bddebian: hmm, are they stated in debian/patches/00list ?
[11:32] <bddebian> crimsun: There was no 00list.  I just added one for my dpatch but still if I do debian/rules patch, I get nothing :-(
[11:35] <crimsun> bddebian: does it include both /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/dpatch.mk and /usr/share/dpatch/dpatch.make ?
[11:36] <ajmitch> morning
[11:36] <bddebian> No, just /usr/share..  It is not a cdbs package afaict
[11:36] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[11:41] <crimsun> oh, sorry, I just assumed it was using cdbs
[11:42] <crimsun> 'morning, ajmitch
[11:51] <bddebian> Can't I just do dpatch apply-all or some such?