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| thedarkener | hey guys | 01:01 |
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| thedarkener | what do you think is going on if terminals give a "Cannot access TTY, job control turned off" message when booting via ltsp into edubuntu? | 01:02 |
| ogra | out of memory ? | 01:03 |
| thedarkener | ooooh no | 01:04 |
| thedarkener | hehe | 01:04 |
| thedarkener | seriously? | 01:04 |
| ogra | dunno, how much has it ? | 01:04 |
| thedarkener | 512mb | 01:04 |
| ogra | lol | 01:04 |
| thedarkener | it's got 6 clients | 01:04 |
| thedarkener | i know i know ;) | 01:04 |
| ogra | i mean the terminal | 01:04 |
| thedarkener | i had them all booted up before with like 4 logged in | 01:04 |
| ogra | not the server :) | 01:04 |
| thedarkener | oh | 01:04 |
| thedarkener | at least 256mb, probably more | 01:05 |
| thedarkener | they're toshiba laptops | 01:05 |
| ogra | ah, ok | 01:05 |
| thedarkener | kids no get potato guy :( | 01:05 |
| ogra | you need at least 64M ... running out of mem could trigger such a message | 01:05 |
| thedarkener | on the client you mean? | 01:05 |
| ogra | yep | 01:06 |
| thedarkener | well i'm positive they have that much | 01:06 |
| ogra | 256 is a bit oversized :) | 01:06 |
| thedarkener | hehe..yeah, they're 'fairly new' laptops | 01:06 |
| ogra | when in the bootprocess does it happen | 01:06 |
| thedarkener | well what i got was "Loading Initial Drivers" and then "It tries to load a bunch of programs" (which translates into a few more lines of dmesg i'm sure) | 01:07 |
| thedarkener | i'm not onsite so I can't say for sure | 01:07 |
| thedarkener | i hate not having access... they need filtering software before they want to hook it up to the net | 01:08 |
| ogra | looks like a nfs timeout, do you end up on a bash prompt ? | 01:08 |
| thedarkener | yeah she said something about a help prompt and she doesn't know what to do there | 01:09 |
| thedarkener | i'm guessing it's a bash prompt | 01:09 |
| ogra | its the busybox prompt from initramfs | 01:09 |
| thedarkener | ok | 01:09 |
| ogra | it falls back to that if it cant mount the rootfs | 01:10 |
| ogra | is that a breezy installation ? | 01:10 |
| thedarkener | what processes are responsible for that? i turned off samba and gdm on the server yesterday when i was there | 01:10 |
| thedarkener | dapper flight 6 | 01:10 |
| thedarkener | shit you know what | 01:10 |
| thedarkener | i updated the server yesterday before i installed it but i forgot to rebuild the ltsp client system | 01:10 |
| thedarkener | could that do it? | 01:11 |
| ogra | yep | 01:11 |
| thedarkener | argh | 01:11 |
| thedarkener | hehe | 01:11 |
| ogra | kernel/initramfs mistmatch | 01:11 |
| thedarkener | ok..my bad | 01:11 |
| thedarkener | thanks so much ogra | 01:11 |
| ogra | there was an evil bug in breezys nfs server... | 01:11 |
| thedarkener | what's weird is it was working yesterday! | 01:11 |
| thedarkener | well it was dapper flight 5 before i updated yesterday | 01:12 |
| ogra | that only occurs on boot of the first terminal | 01:12 |
| ogra | hmm, dapper flight 5 to 6 shouldnt have such issues | 01:12 |
| thedarkener | hmmmmmmmm | 01:13 |
| ogra | i thought you updated from breezy | 01:13 |
| thedarkener | well i did but not the update from yesterday | 01:13 |
| ogra | its in any case a problem with mounting the rootfs, be it through a nfs error or through any kind of mistmatch | 01:14 |
| thedarkener | ok | 01:14 |
| thedarkener | i'll have to get down there tomorrow and troubleshoot | 01:15 |
| thedarkener | does ltsp-build-client require net access? | 01:17 |
| ogra | if you have a CD: sudo mount /cdrom && sudo ltsp-build-client --mirror file:///cdrom | 01:19 |
| ogra | should work fine with flight6 | 01:19 |
| thedarkener | ok | 01:20 |
| thedarkener | great.. i just called back and she said they're all working now..heh | 01:20 |
| thedarkener | so weird! | 01:20 |
| ogra | hmm ... | 01:21 |
| thedarkener | i'll update from the net tomorrow when i'm down there, it's their second day online with it so i'm gonna get some feedback from them | 01:21 |
| ogra | cool | 01:21 |
| thedarkener | s/online/on edubuntu/ | 01:21 |
| thedarkener | awesome thanks ogra =) | 01:22 |
| ogra | :) | 01:22 |
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| mgalvin | ogra: ping? | 04:36 |
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| JaneW | does xchat have support for blind ppl? | 12:17 |
| JaneW | there is someone who wants to join the edubuntu cookbook meeting, but can not see | 12:17 |
| ogra | JaneW, try to find TheMuso and ask him what he uses | 12:18 |
| ogra | (he's blind) | 12:18 |
| JaneW | ogra: ok will do | 12:18 |
| ogra | usually in -devl or -motu | 12:18 |
| === JaneW msg's him... | ||
| JaneW | I have been e-mailing back and forth with this poor guy | 12:18 |
| JaneW | as he has offered to help and kept asking *how* | 12:19 |
| JaneW | he finaly had to spell out to me that he needs help to get to the meeting as he is unfamiliar with the platform AND has accessibility issues | 12:19 |
| === JaneW registers properly and then msgs again | ||
| JaneW | **Reminder** Edubuntu meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 10 minutes | 12:50 |
| ogra | huh ? | 12:50 |
| JaneW | **Reminder** Edubuntu cookbook meeting in #edubuntu-cookbook in 70 minutes | 12:51 |
| ogra | you mean 70 minutes | 12:51 |
| ogra | :)+ | 12:51 |
| JaneW | oh am I am hour early? | 12:51 |
| JaneW | how did that happen? | 12:51 |
| ogra | DST ? | 12:51 |
| JaneW | sorry | 12:51 |
| JaneW | **Reminder** Edubuntu meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 70 minutes | 12:51 |
| ogra | btw, did you see https://launchpad.net/people/edubuntu-members | 12:51 |
| JaneW | **Reminder** Edubuntu cookbook meeting in #edubuntu-cookbook in 130 minutes | 12:52 |
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| JaneW | community council? | 12:52 |
| ogra | i'll announce it in the meeting ... we're able to "make" members now | 12:52 |
| ogra | (which includes a edubuntu.org mailaddress ;) ) | 12:53 |
| ogra | its the equivalent to ubuntu-members | 12:53 |
| ogra | (or kubuntu-members, which was created alongside by elmo) | 12:53 |
| JaneW | nice | 12:54 |
| JaneW | cool :) | 12:54 |
| juliux | is there a special coc for edubuntu members? ;) | 12:54 |
| ogra | juliux, the same one applies :) | 12:54 |
| JaneW | juliux: I think the regualr one applies to us | 12:54 |
| juliux | it was a joke | 12:55 |
| ogra | :) | 12:55 |
| ogra | but we can immediately add all people that are members and in the edubuntu team already | 12:55 |
| === juliux is only in one team at launchpad | ||
| ogra | i hope it doesnt get to confusing with the edubuntu/edubuntu-members we have now | 12:56 |
| bimberi | ogra: edubuntu-members is a member of ubuntumembers - does that mean they automatically become ubuntu members as well? | 12:56 |
| ogra | yep | 12:56 |
| ogra | thats why we cant just add people like we did in the edubuntu team until now | 12:56 |
| bimberi | kk - so CC approval is required then? | 12:57 |
| ogra | (there are many non members) | 12:57 |
| ogra | either that, or we have an opportunity to manage it ourselves | 12:57 |
| ogra | in an ECC or something | 12:58 |
| bimberi | yes, I wonder if the CC would like to offload the membership vetting a bit | 12:59 |
| ogra | i think thats the plan behind it | 01:00 |
| ogra | i'm fine with that, just not with *another* meeting we have to hold | 01:00 |
| bimberi | ha, indeed | 01:03 |
| bimberi | the less you say in a meeting the shorter it is :) | 01:04 |
| ogra | thats true :) | 01:04 |
| JaneW | ogra: +1 for NOT another meeting! | 01:08 |
| ogra | but it looks like we'll have to | 01:08 |
| ogra | i'm not sure we should mix edubuntu development status meetings with community approval | 01:09 |
| ogra | probably just keep the meeting and do every second one for community and the other one for tech/development/doc stuff | 01:09 |
| JaneW | ogra: no probably not | 01:10 |
| ogra | so we'll have a two week schedule like TB/CC | 01:10 |
| ogra | and dont ahve extra meetings | 01:10 |
| JaneW | ogra: makes sense | 01:12 |
| JaneW | ogra: though we'll need to get them more structured and formal | 01:13 |
| ogra | haha, JaneW funny mail about the status meeting | 01:13 |
| ogra | ++ | 01:13 |
| JaneW | ogra: yes, it's the first time anyone objected to me saying be there or else | 01:13 |
| ogra | we'll also need an agenda where people add stuff i fear | 01:13 |
| JaneW | must be a new guy...? | 01:13 |
| ogra | seems like | 01:14 |
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| JaneW | **Reminder** Edubuntu meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 2 minutes | 01:59 |
| JaneW | **Reminder** Edubuntu cookbook meeting in #edubuntu-cookbook in 62 minutes | 01:59 |
| ogra | why dont we hold it in a logged channel btw ? | 01:59 |
| ogra | i dont think its a good idea to make it that secret ... | 02:00 |
| JaneW | ogra: it's not secret | 02:07 |
| JaneW | we just don;t want a lot of noise | 02:07 |
| JaneW | and we didn;t book #u-m | 02:07 |
| JaneW | we have adverrised it here and in the m/l | 02:08 |
| JaneW | anyone is welcome | 02:08 |
| JaneW | but only people who wants to be there need attend | 02:08 |
| JaneW | not the dozens of wall flys who like to make disruptive comments | 02:08 |
| JaneW | as we need to get some action now | 02:08 |
| JaneW | and the #u-m joins and leaves get annoying | 02:08 |
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| jsgotangco | ogra: doing triage at the moment :P | 02:27 |
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| jsgotangco | ogra: i will probably fork the stable about ubuntu doc for 6.06 and add the edubuntu specific features | 02:56 |
| ogra | yep | 02:56 |
| jsgotangco | that way we could still have translations on it | 02:56 |
| jsgotangco | it'll be just a few additional strings | 02:57 |
| ogra | and a localhost link for schooltool | 02:57 |
| jsgotangco | can you provide me a bird's eye view of the most important features? | 02:57 |
| ogra | yep, willl do | 02:57 |
| jsgotangco | cheers | 02:57 |
| ogra | its mostly ltsp artwork and some smaller stuff on the desktop | 02:57 |
| ogra | will make a clean list | 02:58 |
| jsgotangco | it won't affect the doc freeze at all, the current docs already got branched but not edubuntu so its still in trunk | 02:58 |
| jsgotangco | okay | 02:58 |
| ogra | as i said, i dont agree at all with your early docfreeze | 02:58 |
| jsgotangco | are you still going to put in ubuntu-docs? | 02:58 |
| ogra | and i take the freedom to decide that we dont use it in edubuntu :) | 02:59 |
| ogra | that depends on the space, the server guide is invaluable, i'd love to have it | 02:59 |
| jsgotangco | okay how are you going to put in jonathan's guide? | 02:59 |
| ogra | into edubuntu-docs | 02:59 |
| jsgotangco | as html? | 02:59 |
| ogra | which is kind of broken currently | 02:59 |
| ogra | first step will be html to get it in quickly | 03:00 |
| jsgotangco | well you can still point it from yelp though | 03:00 |
| ogra | if we could change it until release to be something better integrated, i'm fine | 03:00 |
| ogra | html is quick and dirty and guarantess that we'll have it in ... | 03:00 |
| ogra | indeed i'd prefer xml at the end | 03:01 |
| jsgotangco | if its ready i can transform it quickly then just clean it up | 03:05 |
| JaneW | ok have you started? | 03:05 |
| mhz | re | 03:05 |
| mhz | meeting here? | 03:05 |
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| jsgotangco | not really this isn't cookbook related | 03:05 |
| ogra | mhz, rather than in a non public non logged channel | 03:06 |
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| mhz | okis | 03:06 |
| mhz | just wondering | 03:06 |
| mhz | I need some coffee though because I'd like to participate on this one | 03:06 |
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| ogra | so where is our fellow meeting leader ? | 03:07 |
| JaneW | pygi!? | 03:08 |
| JaneW | ok we'll start at 10 past | 03:08 |
| JaneW | officially | 03:08 |
| JaneW | since the timing collided with the other meeting a little | 03:08 |
| === ogra will have to run to the baker if she comes ... | ||
| JaneW | and we need a clear separation | 03:08 |
| JaneW | and I like to have time for a quick monologue | 03:08 |
| JaneW | :P | 03:09 |
| spacey | hi | 03:09 |
| ogra | you have the whole day | 03:09 |
| ogra | (in case it gets a long monologue) | 03:09 |
| JaneW | heh | 03:09 |
| JaneW | it's been so long since I SPOKE to anyone | 03:09 |
| Hobbsee | JaneW: you dont speak to people? | 03:11 |
| JaneW | Hobbsee: there's no one here | 03:11 |
| Hobbsee | ah | 03:12 |
| JaneW | although I did get a phone call earlier so I am lying | 03:12 |
| Hobbsee | oh yes, i see | 03:12 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 03:12 |
| JaneW | and once my children get home I wish it was silent :) | 03:12 |
| Hobbsee | i thought you chaired a lot of the other meeting as well...which would involve plenty of speaking... | 03:12 |
| ogra | JaneW, at least you have people around you if you go outside ... guess when *i* spoke to someone in person the last time :) | 03:12 |
| JaneW | that's why the sprints are nice | 03:12 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 03:12 |
| JaneW | cso we get to talk to eachother | 03:12 |
| jsgotangco | when would the next one be? | 03:12 |
| JaneW | jsgotangco: er in June sometimes, but we have not had any meetings | 03:13 |
| JaneW | Hobbsee: not so many atm | 03:13 |
| === jsgotangco doubts he'll get sponspored to attend one again | ||
| Hobbsee | JaneW: fair enough. makes #kubuntu look busy in comparison! | 03:13 |
| JaneW | jsgotangco: I'll nominate you again, if I get a chance to | 03:13 |
| JaneW | ok we should start | 03:14 |
| JaneW | Hobbsee: yes our community is very small still | 03:14 |
| JaneW | KDE had a loyal following already | 03:14 |
| Hobbsee | a rather selective market, so yeah | 03:14 |
| JaneW | we are starting from stratch | 03:14 |
| Hobbsee | there arent *that* many school sys admins in the world... | 03:15 |
| ogra | hey, but we're still on place 68 on distrowatch ... | 03:15 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 03:15 |
| ogra | (rising) | 03:15 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 03:15 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 03:15 |
| jsgotangco | that's something | 03:15 |
| ogra | it cant be *that* small | 03:15 |
| Hobbsee | congrats | 03:15 |
| JaneW | ogra: yes that's steadilly agining ground | 03:15 |
| JaneW | nice to see | 03:15 |
| === Hobbsee has no idea what kubuntu is now | ||
| JaneW | ogra: small PARTICIPATING community | 03:16 |
| === Hobbsee shuts up, seeing that JaneW wanted to start the meeting :P | ||
| Hobbsee | that is true | 03:16 |
| ogra | yep | 03:16 |
| JaneW | ok let's go | 03:16 |
| jsgotangco | ogra: sure we're a notch higher than Vine :/ | 03:16 |
| jsgotangco | ogra: and Turbolinux | 03:16 |
| ogra | so where's the monologue | 03:16 |
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| JaneW | spacey: pygi isn't here, but you have you info don't you? | 03:16 |
| spacey | info about what? | 03:16 |
| JaneW | *The*Edubuntu*Cook*Book* | 03:17 |
| ogra | whats that ? | 03:17 |
| ogra | :P | 03:17 |
| spacey | the info i have is in the wiki | 03:17 |
| Hobbsee | JaneW: can i be an absolute pain, adn ask what that is? | 03:17 |
| === JaneW takes a deep breath | ||
| === Hobbsee couldnt seem to find that info in the wiki... | ||
| JaneW | spacey: URL please | 03:17 |
| spacey | since the meeting gets postponed every day cyclus i didn't do anything | 03:17 |
| JaneW | for everyone's reference | 03:17 |
| spacey | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToCookEdubuntu | 03:18 |
| JaneW | ok question 1) Is this thing ever going to be done? | 03:18 |
| === Hobbsee gets the sudden image of placing edubuntu on the bbq :P | ||
| Hobbsee | ahh... | 03:18 |
| === JaneW gets an urge to burn some books | ||
| spacey | well with this the meeting got postponed every day cyclus i have less faith in that :P | 03:18 |
| spacey | but here it is | 03:19 |
| spacey | so there is still hope | 03:19 |
| ogra | JaneW, so that was your monologue ? | 03:19 |
| spacey | if we get the things we want in there on a row | 03:19 |
| JaneW | yes I appologise I have been ill | 03:19 |
| spacey | i think we can fill it in | 03:19 |
| JaneW | some of the postponements were my fault | 03:19 |
| spacey | the reason nothing is written is because its not clear what should be written | 03:19 |
| JaneW | ogra: no I was babbling before the meeting, that was the monologue | 03:19 |
| ogra | i couldnt attend any of the meetings before because of RL issues | 03:19 |
| spacey | i was ill too last week | 03:19 |
| JaneW | spacey: I don't honestly understand that | 03:20 |
| spacey | that stuff just happens | 03:20 |
| JaneW | sorry to hear you were ill too | 03:20 |
| Bluekuja | hello guys :) | 03:20 |
| JaneW | ok so we are here now | 03:20 |
| JaneW | what if anything can we do | 03:20 |
| JaneW | we need to establish | 03:20 |
| spacey | too bad pygi isn't here | 03:20 |
| ogra | yes | 03:20 |
| JaneW | 1) Who wants to be involved | 03:20 |
| spacey | he had some mind food | 03:20 |
| JaneW | 2) How much time and effort they have to contribute (and what they actually want to and can do) | 03:20 |
| Bluekuja | oliver can i ask you something? | 03:21 |
| spacey | i am willing to write several chapters at least | 03:21 |
| JaneW | 3) We have to figure out if anything can be achieved in the time avaiable with 1 & 2 | 03:21 |
| spacey | how much time is available | 03:21 |
| JaneW | spacey: excellent | 03:21 |
| === JaneW 's feel is that whoever wants to write must just DO IT | ||
| spacey | jup | 03:22 |
| spacey | first meeting i planned | 03:22 |
| JaneW | to the best of their ability and according to what they think is required | 03:22 |
| JaneW | we can do fine edits afterwards | 03:22 |
| spacey | was to pinpoint what we actually want to write | 03:22 |
| spacey | and make points per chapter what we want in there and what not | 03:22 |
| JaneW | and as I keep saying once we have something, we can work with it | 03:22 |
| ogra | id like to see the structure changed a bit | 03:22 |
| spacey | maybe i'm thinking to structured | 03:22 |
| Bluekuja | JaneW: about what are u discussing? | 03:22 |
| JaneW | ok so if we can't get that out in a group meeting make an 'executive decision' | 03:22 |
| ogra | Bluekuja, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToCookEdubuntu | 03:23 |
| Bluekuja | o | 03:23 |
| Bluekuja | let me see | 03:23 |
| JaneW | spacey: your thinking is correct, but we don;t have enough structure to support it right now | 03:23 |
| JaneW | spacey: which is why I want to take the approach of 'just do it' and then fix it | 03:23 |
| spacey | so you mean like, just write parts and stick it together | 03:23 |
| Bluekuja | nice | 03:23 |
| JaneW | because it;s more likely that we'll get something out that way | 03:23 |
| JaneW | and we'll allow ppl to be more creative | 03:24 |
| spacey | with a stapler | 03:24 |
| JaneW | spacey YES | 03:24 |
| spacey | thats true | 03:24 |
| spacey | well there is one part done | 03:24 |
| JaneW | and then we can say, ok these 2 parts don;t go great together let;s edit these 2 chapters | 03:24 |
| spacey | its called Hardware requirements | 03:24 |
| Bluekuja | ogra: when you have some time free i have to ask you an hand | 03:24 |
| Bluekuja | ;) | 03:24 |
| JaneW | but in the mean time we are talking back and forth, but have nothing | 03:24 |
| spacey | JaneW: so we want to publish a list of chapters, and say fill it in like you want | 03:24 |
| JaneW | can anyone see the logic in what I am suggesting? | 03:24 |
| ogra | Bluekuja, yes, lets do it after the meeting, sorry for being a bit unresponsive yesterday | 03:25 |
| JaneW | spacey: yes | 03:25 |
| Bluekuja | np oliver :) | 03:25 |
| spacey | so lets just generate a list of topics | 03:25 |
| spacey | and fill every topic with content | 03:25 |
| JaneW | yes ok | 03:25 |
| JaneW | you had a chapter layout | 03:25 |
| spacey | yeah | 03:25 |
| JaneW | is everyone happy with that? | 03:25 |
| ogra | nope | 03:26 |
| bimberi | is https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuCookbook the same thing? | 03:26 |
| JaneW | ogra had suggestions for changes...? | 03:26 |
| spacey | i wasn't really happy with it myself | 03:26 |
| spacey | it needs discussion | 03:26 |
| ogra | i'd like to flip workstation and default install in that structure | 03:26 |
| JaneW | ok let's do that | 03:26 |
| JaneW | it was on e-mail | 03:26 |
| JaneW | is it in the wiki too? | 03:26 |
| spacey | yeh | 03:26 |
| jsgotangco | bimberi: that was my original document for 5.10 but no one helped me so... | 03:26 |
| spacey | JaneW: i think the wiki one is outdated | 03:26 |
| spacey | compared to the email one | 03:26 |
| spacey | pygi send some chapter layouts around | 03:26 |
| jsgotangco | yeah that's the one i started before | 03:26 |
| spacey | sent | 03:26 |
| JaneW | spacey: can you quickly update? | 03:26 |
| bimberi | jsgotangco: ah kk :| | 03:26 |
| JaneW | spacey: then we can edit right now | 03:27 |
| JaneW | jsgotangco: we promise to help now | 03:27 |
| spacey | i can copy paste from the email | 03:27 |
| spacey | let me look | 03:27 |
| jsgotangco | tee hee | 03:27 |
| JaneW | don't give up | 03:27 |
| JaneW | spacey: ty | 03:27 |
| jsgotangco | JaneW: I could still look into svn for the early work i did and use it | 03:27 |
| jsgotangco | but i cannot promise to help out on the cookbook now | 03:28 |
| JaneW | jsgotangco: it may still be relevant, so yes please! | 03:28 |
| === jsgotangco looks at early revisions from svn | ||
| JaneW | jsgotangco: understood, I know you are busy | 03:28 |
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| JaneW | hi mgalvin | 03:29 |
| ogra | wow we have the elite of the docteam here now :) | 03:29 |
| JaneW | *stage whisper* plus if we could get mgalvin to make some edubuntu feature tours... | 03:29 |
| spacey | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToCookEdubuntu/Chapters#preview | 03:29 |
| jsgotangco | ogra: we can probably use this instead https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuQuickguide/IntroductionToEdubuntu | 03:29 |
| ogra | if we'd have approval for the artwork finally, yes :/ | 03:29 |
| spacey | top of that wikipage | 03:29 |
| mgalvin | hi all! | 03:30 |
| JaneW | spacey: thanks | 03:30 |
| ogra | jsgotangco, yeah, looks very good | 03:30 |
| JaneW | jsgotangco: will that have screenshots? | 03:30 |
| === mgalvin point everyone to the start of https://wiki.edubuntu.com/EdubuntuDapperBeta | ||
| ogra | JaneW, the ff startpage ? | 03:31 |
| JaneW | ogra: yes | 03:31 |
| jsgotangco | just the edubuntu CSS if we're still going to use the red thing | 03:31 |
| ogra | bakertime brb | 03:31 |
| jsgotangco | wow now i read that thing i wrote a few months ago, i seem to like it | 03:32 |
| JaneW | mgalvin: oooh cool, thanks! | 03:32 |
| mhz | JaneW: I see logic but I am still thinking if I can do anything (commitment, I mean) | 03:33 |
| JaneW | mhz: come on it could launch your writing career | 03:33 |
| spacey | ogra: if you want different chapterlayout or something please edit the wiki | 03:34 |
| JaneW | can everyone take a look at it and comment as they see fit please? | 03:34 |
| JaneW | spacey: what happened to the table that people can put their names against | 03:35 |
| JaneW | it will be pointless if 10 ppl all do the introduction | 03:35 |
| JaneW | so we should see who is working on what | 03:35 |
| spacey | yeah | 03:36 |
| spacey | sorry brb | 03:36 |
| ogra | re | 03:36 |
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| mgalvin | i am going to try and make sure all the derivs have a beta tour... so i have a quick request... | 03:38 |
| ogra | shoot | 03:39 |
| JaneW | mgalvin: all ears | 03:39 |
| jsgotangco | pay him | 03:40 |
| === jsgotangco hides | ||
| JaneW | haha | 03:40 |
| ogra | i'd love to ... but mark didnt adopt me yet | 03:40 |
| mgalvin | since edubuntu is based on GNOME i know what features are there but i don't follow all the edubuntu dev so might there be a list of features i could reference or... | 03:40 |
| mgalvin | could someone possibly help me come up with just such a list | 03:40 |
| jsgotangco | yeah that'll be useful too for the about edubuntu page | 03:40 |
| ogra | mgalvin, i just agreed to make a featurelist | 03:40 |
| ogra | i'll put you on CC | 03:41 |
| spacey | sorry, have some RL drama here | 03:41 |
| === JaneW points at ogra | ||
| ogra | :( | 03:41 |
| JaneW | spacey: you ok? | 03:41 |
| mgalvin | oh, ok sweet! | 03:41 |
| JaneW | ogra: cc me too please | 03:41 |
| ogra | will do | 03:41 |
| JaneW | ogra: I battle to keep up :) | 03:41 |
| ogra | :) | 03:41 |
| JaneW | ok the cookbook is doomed | 03:43 |
| ogra | is it ? | 03:43 |
| JaneW | well Pygi couldn't get here and now spacey is away too | 03:43 |
| ogra | true | 03:43 |
| JaneW | although I stand by what I said earlier | 03:43 |
| JaneW | anyone who is interested should just dive in and do a section which interests them as they see fit | 03:44 |
| JaneW | in the mean time highvoltage's doc rocks and we should use it | 03:44 |
| ogra | yep | 03:44 |
| ogra | thats why i decided to ship it | 03:44 |
| === mgalvin is Pygi's irc proxy atm... if you need something from him ping me with it and i can forward it to him | ||
| JaneW | good thanks | 03:44 |
| ogra | mgalvin, he initiated that meeting | 03:45 |
| JaneW | mgalvin: well you can let him know that there's very little faith atm | 03:45 |
| ogra | mgalvin, so you would have to run it :P | 03:45 |
| mgalvin | oh | 03:45 |
| JaneW | we just can;t seem to get the thing to fly | 03:45 |
| mgalvin | ummm :) | 03:45 |
| JaneW | too much discussion and too'ing and fro'ing | 03:45 |
| JaneW | I just want to see someone take it and do it | 03:45 |
| JaneW | we can crit it and improve it after | 03:45 |
| JaneW | but mostly we just need something to work with | 03:46 |
| JaneW | and that's our biggest issue right now | 03:46 |
| ogra | i guee jonathans doc will just grow over the releases to become the cookbook if we dont get people to write it now | 03:46 |
| ogra | *guess | 03:46 |
| JaneW | we keep getting stuck in hypothetical discussions | 03:46 |
| JaneW | I can not write the book | 03:46 |
| ogra | why ? | 03:46 |
| JaneW | but I could take someone;s work and help to edit it | 03:46 |
| ogra | did you even try to write a book ? | 03:47 |
| JaneW | so I am waiting to have something I can work with | 03:47 |
| JaneW | ogra: well no | 03:47 |
| mhz | ogra: do we really have many diff from jonathan's distro? | 03:48 |
| ogra | mhz, not anymore | 03:48 |
| mhz | and is it a matter of license or something else, we can't/shouldn't base on jonathan's? | 03:49 |
| ogra | we base on jonathans | 03:49 |
| ogra | we just cant base on the old one since it handles ltsp 4.1 | 03:49 |
| ogra | and the new one is still very young | 03:50 |
| mgalvin | Pygi says... "please tell them that at least me and Spacey will write it if nothing else" | 03:51 |
| spacey | mgalvin: yes | 03:52 |
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| JaneW | mgalvin: cool, tell him we'll hold them to that :) | 03:55 |
| JaneW | mgalvin: they can dive right in and discuss issues as they arise in #edubuntu or the mailing list, no need to wait for specific meetings. | 03:55 |
| spacey | ogra: did you want any changes in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToCookEdubuntu/Chapters ? | 03:57 |
| mgalvin | JaneW: sent | 03:57 |
| spacey | ogra: if so please do | 03:57 |
| ogra | spacey, yes, sorry. phone | 03:57 |
| spacey | ok np | 03:57 |
| ogra | i just want to flip workstation and default chapters, the workstation is an extra goodie, we should treat it like that even in documentation | 03:58 |
| ogra | meh. LP is down | 03:59 |
| ogra | cant edit currently | 03:59 |
| JaneW | ogra: yes another 15 minds or so I think | 04:00 |
| ogra | yup | 04:00 |
| JaneW | ogra: was a 40 min maint slot | 04:00 |
| ogra | <stub> Launchpad database back up... | 04:00 |
| ogra | :) | 04:00 |
| mhz | hmmmmmmm | 04:01 |
| mhz | I would still suggest we define sort of "iterations" for CookBook | 04:02 |
| mhz | defining the "URGENTLY needed chapters" iterations (maybe 1 week iterations will do) | 04:03 |
| ogra | spacey, changed | 04:03 |
| mhz | then, move on to "less URGENT needed chapters" iterations | 04:03 |
| mhz | and so on | 04:03 |
| mhz | kind of "Extreme Programming" iterations | 04:03 |
| ogra | mhz, feel free to change the wiki ;) | 04:04 |
| spacey | well | 04:04 |
| spacey | thats great | 04:04 |
| mhz | Could/Would XP apply to this? | 04:04 |
| ogra | XP ? | 04:04 |
| spacey | i think its an huge collection of chapters by now | 04:04 |
| mhz | extreme programming = xp | 04:04 |
| spacey | which means *plenty* of work | 04:04 |
| ogra | no idea | 04:04 |
| === ogra always does his programming in an extreme context ... | ||
| spacey | ogra: ;p | 04:04 |
| mhz | ogra: hehehee | 04:04 |
| spacey | we can mark some chapters as essential | 04:05 |
| mhz | ogra on roller ksating ? | 04:05 |
| ogra | yep | 04:05 |
| spacey | that might be a good idea | 04:05 |
| mhz | skating | 04:05 |
| ogra | mhz, mostly time pressure is enough to keep it extreme :) | 04:05 |
| ogra | but regarding the screensaver i also have extremely annoyed users around me sometimes :) | 04:05 |
| mhz | ogra: yeah, just pulling your leg...oh and yes, to put up with your work load, you need some equilibrium and tricks | 04:06 |
| ogra | tricks are fine :) | 04:06 |
| mhz | spacey: I am not the one to speak about it (too far away from edubuntu lately but trying to get back little by little) but could you specify some "requirements" in a exteme programming methodology fashion? | 04:08 |
| spacey | sorry i skipped the extreme programming subject on school:) | 04:08 |
| mhz | ooh, okis | 04:08 |
| spacey | i don't like programming | 04:08 |
| spacey | :p | 04:08 |
| mhz | spacey: i have no idea about programming, but that methodology is one of the coolest for every project where requirements are a lot, time is little, people group vary, etc. | 04:09 |
| spacey | well i'm sure you can google for that | 04:10 |
| JaneW | ok my time is up | 04:10 |
| mhz | JaneW: familiar with extreme programming methodology? ( jsgotangco maybe?) | 04:10 |
| JaneW | have we achieved anything here? | 04:10 |
| JaneW | mhz: some of the theory yes | 04:10 |
| JaneW | but I am no programmer | 04:10 |
| JaneW | unless a semester of Turbo C counts :P | 04:10 |
| mhz | JaneW: me neither :D but would you consider it for cookbook current needs ? | 04:11 |
| JaneW | I can *try* | 04:12 |
| JaneW | but I have some other resp too | 04:12 |
| ogra | JaneW, spacey and Pygi will care is the outcome imho | 04:12 |
| JaneW | yes | 04:12 |
| jsgotangco | err | 04:12 |
| jsgotangco | why do you need XP? | 04:12 |
| ogra | if people ask to help, we'll ponit them to them | 04:12 |
| JaneW | ok so when someone is working on something please put your name against it | 04:12 |
| JaneW | so there's no duplication | 04:12 |
| jsgotangco | mhz: XP cannot be applied to writing | 04:13 |
| spacey | thats infe | 04:13 |
| mhz | spacey: basically, (very basically) it is about defining very little requirements, each requirement is considered a "functional" goal, and we all get to work on this tiny bunch of requirements defined in a small period of time (iterations) | 04:13 |
| spacey | why do you tell me? :P | 04:13 |
| jsgotangco | mhz: id rather have this discussion go on defining what needs to be written quickly than methodologies | 04:14 |
| jsgotangco | like reusing existing wiki pages | 04:14 |
| mhz | jsgotangco: me too, believe me, but they way I see it, it is all being considered as "urgent" and imho, that is not helping anyone | 04:15 |
| === mhz phone | ||
| jsgotangco | ogra: about edubuntu is done, im just waiting now for your feature list | 04:16 |
| ogra | will do it during the day, i need to dig up all the old flight announcements | 04:18 |
| jsgotangco | no worries | 04:21 |
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| jsgotangco | i guess the discussion about the cookbook just died without warning? | 04:47 |
| highvoltage | hi guys | 05:00 |
| jsgotangco | hey | 05:01 |
| highvoltage | jsgotangco: are you very active with xubuntu? | 05:03 |
| mhz | re | 05:03 |
| === mhz was at phone | ||
| mhz | highvoltage: nomed is active in xubuntu | 05:04 |
| jsgotangco | highvoltage: not really | 05:04 |
| Bluekuja | hi jon :) | 05:04 |
| mhz | highvoltage: oh... "with" or "in"? | 05:04 |
| highvoltage | hi Bluekuja | 05:04 |
| Bluekuja | how are you today jon? | 05:05 |
| highvoltage | mhz: whichever way he'd like to answer it :) | 05:05 |
| highvoltage | Bluekuja: very tired. we had lots of long, long meetings, which ran in circles | 05:05 |
| highvoltage | i didn't talk much just listened, but it was quite tiring | 05:05 |
| Bluekuja | yeah , i did a meeting too today | 05:05 |
| highvoltage | ok, i'm off to home, will reconnect there. bye! | 05:06 |
| Bluekuja | okie cya :) | 05:06 |
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| jsgotangco | is edubuntu-es active? | 05:31 |
| mhz | jsgotangco: hehehe, define active ;) | 05:31 |
| jsgotangco | err edubuntu-devel-es i mean | 05:31 |
| jsgotangco | (list) | 05:32 |
| mhz | jsgotangco: not that I know of. | 05:32 |
| === jsgotangco wonders if its worth mentioning in the about edubuntu document :) | ||
| mhz | jsgotangco: hmmmm | 05:32 |
| mhz | i wonder too | 05:32 |
| mhz | I guees it should be | 05:33 |
| mhz | otherwise, people wont come anyways | 05:33 |
| mhz | I mean, it is a resource | 05:33 |
| jsgotangco | lol ok | 05:33 |
| mhz | and I do hpe | 05:33 |
| mhz | hope that after June 1st and 2nd, people will activate it | 05:34 |
| jsgotangco | mhz: i'll add it its an edubuntu resource anyway | 05:34 |
| jsgotangco | activate? | 05:34 |
| mhz | yup | 05:34 |
| jsgotangco | whare is there to activate? | 05:34 |
| jsgotangco | i see https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-devel-es and there is little traffic | 05:34 |
| mhz | the FET is held on June 1st and 2nd, so I cross my fingers many teachers will start pointing towards edubuntu afterwards | 05:34 |
| jsgotangco | ahhh | 05:34 |
| jsgotangco | how do i describe this? | 05:35 |
| mhz | i apologize for my still messy-sense english | 05:35 |
| jsgotangco | "spanish-only edubuntu list" ? | 05:35 |
| mhz | hmmm | 05:35 |
| === mhz thinking | ||
| mhz | edubuntu list for spanish speakers willing to contribute to develop edubuntu | 05:36 |
| mhz | jsgotangco: ? | 05:36 |
| mhz | oh, you need a 3 word definition? | 05:37 |
| jsgotangco | would it be better if i describe it as a special interest group for edubuntu in spanish? | 05:37 |
| mhz | okis | 05:37 |
| mhz | you have more experience on such definitions | 05:38 |
| jsgotangco | hmm ok let me think on how to describe such | 05:38 |
| jsgotangco | gimme a few minutes | 05:38 |
| jsgotangco | Lista de coordinacion y colaboracion en el desarrollo de Edubuntu mundial -y temas asociados- y de ayuda a los interesados en probar Edubuntu (profesores, alumnos y amigos de Edubuntu). | 05:38 |
| jsgotangco | Para ver envos anteriores a la lista, puede visitar los archivos de edubuntu-devel-es . | 05:38 |
| mhz | i give you the few minutes ;) and a cheer \o/\o/\o/ | 05:39 |
| jsgotangco | desarollo? | 05:39 |
| mhz | desarrollo = development | 05:39 |
| jsgotangco | ahh | 05:40 |
| mhz | jsgotangco: need a version (translation into a foreign language) of it? | 05:40 |
| jsgotangco | i understand a fair bit of spanish | 05:40 |
| mhz | o, cool | 05:40 |
| mhz | que bueno! | 05:40 |
| jsgotangco | some words just escape me though | 05:40 |
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| jsgotangco | mhz: how does this fare to you? | 05:59 |
| jsgotangco | The Edubuntu community mailing list, where we discuss news, ideas and issues with Edubuntu. There is also a special interest group for Edubuntu in the Spanish language. | 05:59 |
| mhz | jsgotangco: very good! excellente | 06:01 |
| jsgotangco | (it likes to edubuntu-devel-es) | 06:02 |
| jsgotangco | s/likes/links | 06:02 |
| jsgotangco | ogra: ok both are done already, just ping me whenever you need it | 06:08 |
| jsgotangco | im going to sleep | 06:08 |
| mhz | jsgotangco: ready to translate ? | 06:09 |
| jsgotangco | no not yet | 06:09 |
| jsgotangco | we'll have to register it in rosetta for that | 06:09 |
| jsgotangco | it should build in http://doc.ubuntu.com as an html preview later | 06:09 |
| mhz | jsgotangco: but maybe I could translate into text | 06:10 |
| mhz | and then get into Rosetta | 06:10 |
| mhz | or not wise? | 06:10 |
| jsgotangco | nahhh i'll make sure it gets into rosetta by on easter | 06:10 |
| jsgotangco | if not the day after easter | 06:10 |
| mhz | cool | 06:11 |
| === mhz is now forced to use Rosetta :D | ||
| jsgotangco | shouldn't be that much it'll probaly be around 50 lines in rosetta anyways | 06:11 |
| mhz | okis | 06:11 |
| mhz | np | 06:11 |
| mhz | I can deal with it | 06:11 |
| mhz | and it was time I do that anyways | 06:11 |
| jsgotangco | try checking out doc.ubuntu.com later and see if the edubuntu part gets to be updated | 06:11 |
| jsgotangco | it does its cron job twice a day it might get triggered later | 06:12 |
| mhz | okis | 06:12 |
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| mhz | highvoltage: gee! that car is fast! | 06:27 |
| highvoltage | mhz: i only live 10 minutes from work :) | 06:33 |
| ogra | did you ever consider not taking the shortcut via johannisburg on your way home ? | 06:34 |
| highvoltage | ogra: hehe! if that was the case, then it really *would* be a fast car! | 06:35 |
| ogra | :) | 06:35 |
| highvoltage | if it was that fast i'd drive to germany and help you move :) | 06:35 |
| ogra | hehe | 06:35 |
| ogra | if it was *that* fast, it wouldnt have a boot :) | 06:36 |
| highvoltage | :) | 06:36 |
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| mhz | Mr. operator | 06:40 |
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| Bluekuja | jon find everytime some girls near the place he works and so the duration of the trip work-home is longer haha | 06:41 |
| highvoltage | :) | 06:41 |
| mhz | hehehe | 06:42 |
| highvoltage | Bluekuja: actually, when i got home a girl called me and talked for nearly half an hour, i would've been back in the channel sooner if it weren't for that :) | 06:42 |
| Bluekuja | haha so thats true | 06:42 |
| Bluekuja | playboy | 06:42 |
| mhz | hehehe, everyone wants a piece of "voltage" | 06:43 |
| Bluekuja | haha | 06:43 |
| mhz | "need new sensations? Get highvoltage!" | 06:44 |
| Bluekuja | xD | 06:44 |
| mhz | see? we can run your marketing campaign | 06:44 |
| Bluekuja | how are girls there jon? | 06:44 |
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| mhz | highvoltage: do you have a bookmark for a pantone-hexadecimal/rgb colors? | 06:45 |
| Bluekuja | maybe me | 06:45 |
| Bluekuja | you mean something like this | 06:46 |
| Bluekuja | wait getting the link | 06:46 |
| Bluekuja | :) | 06:46 |
| mhz | okis | 06:47 |
| Bluekuja | http://www.colourlovers.com/ | 06:48 |
| Bluekuja | see if its what are you searching for | 06:48 |
| highvoltage | mhz: something like this? | 06:48 |
| highvoltage | !google hexadecimal rgb colors | 06:48 |
| ubotu | Bugger all, I dunno. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, highvoltage | 06:48 |
| highvoltage | hmm.. ubotu is a bit dumber than i though :) | 06:49 |
| === mhz opening tab#560 | ||
| highvoltage | http://www.web-source.net/216_color_chart.htm | 06:49 |
| mhz | :D | 06:49 |
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| Bluekuja | it was good mauricio? | 06:50 |
| mhz | still opening | 06:50 |
| Bluekuja | hehehe okie | 06:51 |
| Bluekuja | mmm...now that site stopped loading | 06:54 |
| Bluekuja | strange maybe is under maintanance | 06:54 |
| mhz | highvoltage: hmmm | 06:55 |
| mhz | something like that | 06:55 |
| mhz | but as i have never actually seen a pantone | 06:55 |
| mhz | no idea | 06:55 |
| mhz | sure, I guess it is something like that | 06:55 |
| mhz | Bluekuja: nope, still loading | 06:55 |
| Bluekuja | really strange | 06:55 |
| Bluekuja | it was working | 06:55 |
| Bluekuja | something like 5 minutes ago | 06:56 |
| Bluekuja | it was a very good website | 06:58 |
| mhz | wow!!! | 06:58 |
| mhz | THIS IS IT | 06:58 |
| mhz | http://www.weprintcolor.com/pantone_RGB_convert.htm | 06:58 |
| Bluekuja | xD | 06:58 |
| mhz | thx guys | 06:58 |
| Bluekuja | let me see | 06:58 |
| Bluekuja | nice | 06:59 |
| Bluekuja | :) | 06:59 |
| Bluekuja | np mauricio | 06:59 |
| Bluekuja | your welcome | 06:59 |
| Bluekuja | mauricio wats the local time where you live? | 07:08 |
| mhz | utc -4 | 07:13 |
| mhz | 13:13 | 07:13 |
| Bluekuja | o | 07:13 |
| Bluekuja | here in italy its gmt +1 | 07:13 |
| Bluekuja | 19:14 | 07:14 |
| highvoltage | Bluekuja: really? it's gmt+2 in south africa and it's the same time here :) | 07:15 |
| Bluekuja | hehe yeah | 07:15 |
| Bluekuja | we have the same time | 07:16 |
| Bluekuja | nice for meetings | 07:16 |
| Bluekuja | ^^ | 07:16 |
| highvoltage | mhz: i'll e-mail you a bit later, i need to go to a friend quickly | 07:16 |
| Bluekuja | ciao jon | 07:16 |
| Bluekuja | see you later | 07:16 |
| Bluekuja | :) | 07:16 |
| highvoltage | ciao Bluekuja! | 07:17 |
| Bluekuja | cya :) | 07:17 |
| highvoltage | i still want to hear more about your ideas for italy, and we need to put down our plans for that testing! | 07:17 |
| highvoltage | l8rs... | 07:17 |
| Bluekuja | yeah jon | 07:17 |
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| lucasvo | Bluekuja: you have forgotten the dailight saving time | 07:39 |
| lucasvo | atm, it is gmt+1+daylightsaving(1h) | 07:39 |
| mhz | Bluekuja: http://www.warpgear.com/pantone/index.php?hex=%23686868&red=104&green=104&blue=104&mincolors=3 | 07:47 |
| mhz | this is awsome | 07:47 |
| mhz | and | 07:47 |
| mhz | http://www.netfront.fr/Services/rgb2pantone/pantone.htm?r=&g=&b=&rgb=ff4809 | 07:47 |
| mhz | showing variations | 07:47 |
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| pygi | JaneW, ogra, spacey, highvoltage: poke | 08:22 |
| spacey | pong | 08:22 |
| pygi | spacey: have you been at meeting today? | 08:22 |
| spacey | yup | 08:23 |
| spacey | pygi: read back in the channellog | 08:24 |
| pygi | spacey: then you know we are to write book on our own? | 08:24 |
| spacey | pygi: yup | 08:24 |
| spacey | i know | 08:24 |
| pygi | spacey: good :-P | 08:24 |
| pygi | where is the log? url perhaps? | 08:24 |
| spacey | dunno | 08:27 |
| spacey | but ubuntulog logs | 08:27 |
| spacey | :) | 08:27 |
| pygi | joy spacey :) | 08:27 |
| pygi | I'll have a look now...sec pls | 08:27 |
| spacey | http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ | 08:27 |
| pygi | was it in #edubuntu or in #u-meeting | 08:31 |
| pygi | spacey:? | 08:31 |
| spacey | edubuntu | 08:31 |
| pygi | k, lemme look | 08:31 |
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| spacey | yes that was a bit inconvienant | 08:34 |
| pygi | spacey: lol, this was bah "he had some mind food" :-P | 08:34 |
| pygi | what did that mean? :P | 08:34 |
| pygi | spacey: was wiki changed according to ogra suggestions? | 08:36 |
| pygi | spacey: still alive? :) | 08:39 |
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| pygi | JaneW, spacey, highvoltage, still alive? :) | 08:41 |
| pygi | spacey: wake up pls :) | 08:44 |
| spacey | :o | 09:00 |
| Burgwork | JaneW, I wonder if Canonical should fund some driver work on whiteboards | 09:08 |
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| spacey | pygi on launchpad? | 09:46 |
| spacey | check | 09:51 |
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| hollerith | howzit! can you make an ubuntu install into an edubuntu one? | 10:20 |
| jouni__m | hollerith just install edubuntu-desktop meta-package | 10:25 |
| hollerith | ok thanks! | 10:27 |
| jouni__m | hollerith if you need ltsp server I don't know how to install it | 10:29 |
| Arc | there's instructions for ubuntu ltsp on the ltsp website | 10:30 |
| Arc | check the 4.2 docs | 10:30 |
| hollerith | er what is it? ltsp server | 10:30 |
| Arc | you don't know what an ltsp server is? | 10:30 |
| hollerith | nope | 10:30 |
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| Arc | LTSP = Linux Terminal Server Project | 10:31 |
| Arc | you know how X is client-server based, and how you can run X applications over the network? | 10:31 |
| hollerith | ah! like vnc ;) | 10:31 |
| Arc | much better than VNC | 10:31 |
| hollerith | how so? | 10:32 |
| Arc | thin clients only need about 8 megs of ram, they boot over the network, and they get their own login screens and sessions | 10:32 |
| Arc | you can run an entire building of terminals from one decent server (costing prehaps $1k USD) | 10:32 |
| Arc | from experience, I suggest terminals be at least pentium 2 w/ an accelerated video card (ie, ATI Rage128, Radeon, MGA..) | 10:33 |
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| Arc | the idea being, for a school, you build one server.. prehaps a dual-core or quad-core Opteron system with 2 gigs ram and a sizable hard disk.. | 10:34 |
| hollerith | vnc is pretty light | 10:34 |
| Arc | you need a web browser to connect to VNC. with LTSP, you don't even need a hard drive in your terminals. | 10:34 |
| Arc | each terminal could be a Pentium 3, which many schools are throwing away right now, with even a low-end accelerated card | 10:35 |
| hollerith | uh not so - that's just a tightvnc plugin | 10:35 |
| Arc | some gigabit networking gear for a backbone so everything doesn't saturate a single 100meg connection to the server | 10:35 |
| Arc | hollerith: you don't get it. | 10:35 |
| Arc | VNC requires a working full computer to connect to a server | 10:35 |
| Arc | with LTSP, you need no hard drive. you need almost nothing but the base components and a monitor | 10:36 |
| Arc | the systems boot over the network, kernel, filesystem, everything. you plug a floppy disk or USB flash disk into one of the terminals, an icon appears on your desktop | 10:36 |
| Arc | VNC is just a remote access system that runs over a web browser. it doesn't compare at all. | 10:37 |
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| hollerith | ...like Larry Ellison's net computer | 10:37 |
| Arc | set one up, you'll understand it more. | 10:37 |
| Arc | I was disappointed with LTSP a few years ago, but 4.2 is quite nice. they even have their own network filesystem (LTSPfs) for using local drives | 10:38 |
| hollerith | okay - where I'm at is I don't need remote desktop or lstp, I vnc from A to B which is usually a PC (linux) | 10:38 |
| hollerith | I want edubuntu because I picked up a whole lot of old Dells from my work and | 10:39 |
| Arc | LTSP isn't for single-user environments. it's for large institutions like a school or business | 10:39 |
| hollerith | put ubuntu on them to give to some kids I know who have no computers | 10:39 |
| Arc | LTSP only works when the computers are on the same LAN. | 10:40 |
| Arc | if you're looking to run things over the Internet, using XDMCP/X11 over SSH | 10:41 |
| hollerith | but I need parental (or legal guardian) controls so edubuntu but no terminal services - sorry to talk over you I type slow | 10:41 |
| Arc | then why are you asking about LTSP? | 10:41 |
| hollerith | someone asked me if I needed it and I asked what it was | 10:42 |
| jouni__m | hollerith then edubuntu-desktop is just what you want :) | 10:42 |
| hollerith | that's a long way to a punchline | 10:42 |
| Arc | how does "Wyld World" sound for a kids edutainment suite centered around pokemon-like epets | 10:43 |
| jouni__m | Arc thanks I though ltsp would be intresting. now I think it's must test thing if I get time for it. | 10:43 |
| hollerith | lekke | 10:43 |
| Arc | jouni__m: yes its very interesting. | 10:44 |
| Arc | :-) | 10:44 |
| Arc | comments on "Wyld World"? | 10:45 |
| hollerith | ja - Wyld World is lekke | 10:46 |
| hollerith | nice | 10:46 |
| hollerith | good - like Pokemon in the bush | 10:47 |
| Arc | ive got a mario 64-like action/adventure world and interface using Soya, kids will have a pet in this world which needs things that they need to collect by completing missions | 10:47 |
| hollerith | as for linux terminal services - is that related to the microsoft RDP? | 10:47 |
| Arc | like finding a certain kind and number of berry (identified by shape and color), or building things based on simple math (addition and subtraction) | 10:48 |
| hollerith | You got me again - Soya is a 3D rendering engine? | 10:48 |
| Arc | hollerith: no. it uses TFTP, NFS, XDMCP, and X11 protocols. it has absolutly nothing to do with Microsoft or any project they've worked on | 10:49 |
| Arc | Soya3d is a popular Python module for 3d games | 10:49 |
| Arc | its easy to write games using Python and Soya, leaving designers to focus on game design and content rather than struggling through debugging code | 10:50 |
| hollerith | Python? Now you're talking! | 10:50 |
| hollerith | I've been meaning to get into using pygame now there's this too - anybody feel like Python is moving soo fast this last year or so? | 10:51 |
| Arc | oh. if you're talking about microsoft remote desktops, LTSP supports that too. you can even have multiple screens active at once on the same terminal, one to linux and the other to windows. i saw that at a demo once. | 10:52 |
| Arc | pygame only does 2d graphics, which is kinda outdated | 10:52 |
| Arc | though it'll use acceleration if it's available. | 10:52 |
| jouni__m | Arc Wyld World sound cool for kids. | 10:52 |
| Arc | thanks jouni__m :-) | 10:52 |
| hollerith | outdated? what about game play? :) | 10:56 |
| jouni__m | Arc Old Snoopy calculator has good simple math games. There was basic add substract multiple and divine calculations and 2 games. | 10:56 |
| hollerith | Is there a character called Wyld? | 10:57 |
| jouni__m | first was based on < = > things for example left side 4+1 and right side 6 and < is correct answer. Points are based on number of mistakes and time | 10:59 |
| hollerith | algebra? what kind of age group are you aiming at? | 10:59 |
| jouni__m | second was "shooting" numbers so the sum has to be ten. For example 7 kills 3. It was fast game. | 11:01 |
| hollerith | hey do you remember those questions about 'how long does it take two men dig a ditch'...? | 11:04 |
| hollerith | or like 'a tap dripping for so long - how long does it take to fill the bucket' (I am really old so maybe not..) | 11:05 |
| Arc | I'm not doing anything that involves shooting anything | 11:05 |
| hollerith | how about a cluedo like game based on figuring out elementary problems like these? | 11:06 |
| hollerith | eliminate suspects etc | 11:06 |
| Arc | naa all the math stuff so far is finding certain numbers of berries to make a potion | 11:06 |
| hollerith | hmm - like a D&D thing | 11:07 |
| jouni__m | Arc shooting is bad term for it. It was just numbers. | 11:07 |
| Arc | hollerith: have you ever played pokemon? | 11:07 |
| hollerith | no - its like a tamuguchi creature? | 11:08 |
| Arc | or seen it on tv? or digimon? | 11:08 |
| hollerith | yeah I saw it - they fight | 11:08 |
| Arc | pokemon was originally a RPG that Nintendo came out with, you're a "trainer" who collects wild monsters and trains them to fight other monsters | 11:08 |
| Arc | you give them potions to heal them | 11:09 |
| hollerith | oh true. and they evolve into better | 11:09 |
| hollerith | pokemon - is pokemon still about? I thought it was all beyblades these days | 11:10 |
| Arc | doesnt matter | 11:11 |
| Arc | pokemon trading cards and tv show is still really popular | 11:11 |
| Arc | heck mighty morphin power rangers is still popular | 11:11 |
| hollerith | true. doesn't matter. | 11:11 |
| hollerith | you still see it lots | 11:12 |
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| hollerith | a lot of this stuff is still fueled by cartoons but stays under the olds radar | 11:13 |
| hollerith | isn't there going to be some digital rights issue? | 11:14 |
| Arc | im not copying pokemon, only using a similar theme | 11:19 |
| hollerith | @arc best of luck with that - I've got to go put edbuntu-desktop on lots of really slow PII's :) | 11:29 |
| hollerith | @arc:thanks for the info | 11:31 |
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