[01:01] <thedarkener> hey guys
[01:02] <thedarkener> what do you think is going on if terminals give a "Cannot access TTY, job control turned off" message when booting via ltsp into edubuntu?
[01:03] <ogra> out of memory ?
[01:04] <thedarkener> ooooh no
[01:04] <thedarkener> hehe
[01:04] <thedarkener> seriously?
[01:04] <ogra> dunno, how much has it ? 
[01:04] <thedarkener> 512mb
[01:04] <ogra> lol
[01:04] <thedarkener> it's got 6 clients
[01:04] <thedarkener> i know i know ;)
[01:04] <ogra> i mean the terminal
[01:04] <thedarkener> i had them all booted up before with like 4 logged in
[01:04] <ogra> not the server :)
[01:04] <thedarkener> oh
[01:05] <thedarkener> at least 256mb, probably more
[01:05] <thedarkener> they're toshiba laptops
[01:05] <ogra> ah, ok
[01:05] <thedarkener> kids no get potato guy :(
[01:05] <ogra> you need at least 64M ... running out of mem could trigger such a message
[01:05] <thedarkener> on the client you mean?
[01:06] <ogra> yep
[01:06] <thedarkener> well i'm positive they have that much
[01:06] <ogra> 256 is a bit oversized :) 
[01:06] <thedarkener> hehe..yeah, they're 'fairly new' laptops
[01:06] <ogra> when in the bootprocess does it happen 
[01:07] <thedarkener> well what i got was "Loading Initial Drivers" and then "It tries to load a bunch of programs" (which translates into a few more lines of dmesg i'm sure)
[01:07] <thedarkener> i'm not onsite so I can't say for sure
[01:08] <thedarkener> i hate not having access... they need filtering software before they want to hook it up to the net
[01:08] <ogra> looks like a nfs timeout, do you end up on a bash prompt ? 
[01:09] <thedarkener> yeah she said something about a help prompt and she doesn't know what to do there
[01:09] <thedarkener> i'm guessing it's a bash prompt
[01:09] <ogra> its the busybox prompt from initramfs 
[01:09] <thedarkener> ok
[01:10] <ogra> it falls back to that if it cant mount the rootfs
[01:10] <ogra> is that a breezy installation ? 
[01:10] <thedarkener> what processes are responsible for that? i turned off samba and gdm on the server yesterday when i was there
[01:10] <thedarkener> dapper flight 6
[01:10] <thedarkener> shit you know what
[01:10] <thedarkener> i updated the server yesterday before i installed it but i forgot to rebuild the ltsp client system
[01:11] <thedarkener> could that do it?
[01:11] <ogra> yep
[01:11] <thedarkener> argh
[01:11] <thedarkener> hehe
[01:11] <ogra> kernel/initramfs mistmatch
[01:11] <thedarkener> ok..my bad
[01:11] <thedarkener> thanks so much ogra
[01:11] <ogra> there was an evil bug in breezys nfs server...
[01:11] <thedarkener> what's weird is it was working yesterday!
[01:12] <thedarkener> well it was dapper flight 5 before i updated yesterday
[01:12] <ogra> that only occurs on boot of the first terminal 
[01:12] <ogra> hmm, dapper flight 5 to 6 shouldnt have such issues
[01:13] <thedarkener> hmmmmmmmm
[01:13] <ogra> i thought you updated from breezy
[01:13] <thedarkener> well i did but not the update from yesterday
[01:14] <ogra> its in any case a problem with mounting the rootfs, be it through a nfs error or through any kind of mistmatch
[01:14] <thedarkener> ok
[01:15] <thedarkener> i'll have to get down there tomorrow and troubleshoot
[01:17] <thedarkener> does ltsp-build-client require net access?
[01:19] <ogra> if you have a CD: sudo mount /cdrom && sudo ltsp-build-client --mirror file:///cdrom
[01:19] <ogra> should work fine with flight6 
[01:20] <thedarkener> ok
[01:20] <thedarkener> great.. i just called back and she said they're all working now..heh
[01:20] <thedarkener> so weird!
[01:21] <ogra> hmm ...
[01:21] <thedarkener> i'll update from the net tomorrow when i'm down there, it's their second day online with it so i'm gonna get some feedback from them
[01:21] <ogra> cool
[01:21] <thedarkener> s/online/on edubuntu/
[01:22] <thedarkener> awesome thanks ogra =)
[01:22] <ogra> :)
[04:36] <mgalvin> ogra: ping?
[12:17] <JaneW> does xchat have support for blind ppl?
[12:17] <JaneW> there is someone who wants to join the edubuntu cookbook meeting, but can not see
[12:18] <ogra> JaneW, try to find TheMuso and ask him what he uses
[12:18] <ogra> (he's blind)
[12:18] <JaneW> ogra: ok will do
[12:18] <ogra> usually in -devl or -motu
[12:18] <JaneW> I have been e-mailing back and forth with this poor guy
[12:19] <JaneW> as he has offered to help and kept asking *how*
[12:19] <JaneW> he finaly had to spell out to me that he needs help to get to the meeting as he is unfamiliar with the platform AND has accessibility issues
[12:50] <JaneW> **Reminder** Edubuntu meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 10 minutes
[12:50] <ogra> huh ?
[12:51] <JaneW> **Reminder** Edubuntu cookbook meeting in #edubuntu-cookbook in 70 minutes
[12:51] <ogra> you mean 70 minutes
[12:51] <ogra> :)+
[12:51] <JaneW> oh am I am hour early?
[12:51] <JaneW> how did that happen?
[12:51] <ogra> DST ?
[12:51] <JaneW> sorry
[12:51] <JaneW> **Reminder** Edubuntu meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 70 minutes
[12:51] <ogra> btw, did you see https://launchpad.net/people/edubuntu-members
[12:52] <JaneW> **Reminder** Edubuntu cookbook meeting in #edubuntu-cookbook in 130 minutes
[12:52] <JaneW> community council?
[12:52] <ogra> i'll announce it in the meeting ... we're able to "make" members now
[12:53] <ogra> (which includes a edubuntu.org mailaddress ;) )
[12:53] <ogra> its the equivalent to ubuntu-members 
[12:53] <ogra> (or kubuntu-members, which was created alongside by elmo)
[12:54] <JaneW> nice
[12:54] <JaneW> cool :)
[12:54] <juliux> is there a special coc for edubuntu members? ;)
[12:54] <ogra> juliux, the same one applies :)
[12:54] <JaneW> juliux: I think the regualr one applies to us
[12:55] <juliux> it was a joke
[12:55] <ogra> :)
[12:55] <ogra> but we can immediately add all people that are members and in the edubuntu team already
[12:56] <ogra> i hope it doesnt get to confusing with the edubuntu/edubuntu-members we have now
[12:56] <bimberi> ogra: edubuntu-members is a member of ubuntumembers - does that mean they automatically become ubuntu members as well?
[12:56] <ogra> yep
[12:56] <ogra> thats why we cant just add people like we did in the edubuntu team until now
[12:57] <bimberi> kk - so CC approval is required then?
[12:57] <ogra> (there are many non members)
[12:57] <ogra> either that, or we have an opportunity to manage it ourselves 
[12:58] <ogra> in an ECC or something
[12:59] <bimberi> yes, I wonder if the CC would like to offload the membership vetting a bit
[01:00] <ogra> i think thats the plan behind it 
[01:00] <ogra> i'm fine with that, just not with *another* meeting we have to hold
[01:03] <bimberi> ha, indeed
[01:04] <bimberi> the less you say in a meeting the shorter it is :)
[01:04] <ogra> thats true :)
[01:08] <JaneW> ogra: +1 for NOT another meeting!
[01:08] <ogra> but it looks like we'll have to 
[01:09] <ogra> i'm not sure we should mix edubuntu development status meetings with community approval 
[01:09] <ogra> probably just keep the meeting and do every second one for community and the other one for tech/development/doc stuff
[01:10] <JaneW> ogra: no probably not
[01:10] <ogra> so we'll have a two week schedule like TB/CC
[01:10] <ogra> and dont ahve extra meetings
[01:12] <JaneW> ogra: makes sense
[01:13] <JaneW> ogra: though we'll need to get them more structured and formal
[01:13] <ogra> haha, JaneW funny mail about the status meeting
[01:13] <ogra> ++
[01:13] <JaneW> ogra: yes, it's the first time anyone objected to me saying be there or else
[01:13] <ogra> we'll also need an agenda where people add stuff i fear 
[01:13] <JaneW> must be a new guy...?
[01:14] <ogra> seems like 
[01:59] <JaneW> **Reminder** Edubuntu meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 2 minutes
[01:59] <JaneW> **Reminder** Edubuntu cookbook meeting in #edubuntu-cookbook in 62 minutes
[01:59] <ogra> why dont we hold it in a logged channel btw ? 
[02:00] <ogra> i dont think its a good idea to make it that secret ...
[02:07] <JaneW> ogra: it's not secret
[02:07] <JaneW> we just don;t want a lot of noise
[02:07] <JaneW> and we didn;t book #u-m
[02:08] <JaneW> we have adverrised it here and in the m/l
[02:08] <JaneW> anyone is welcome
[02:08] <JaneW> but only people who wants to be there need attend
[02:08] <JaneW> not the dozens of wall flys who like to make disruptive comments
[02:08] <JaneW> as we need to get some action now
[02:08] <JaneW> and the #u-m joins and leaves get annoying
[02:27] <jsgotangco> ogra: doing triage at the moment :P
[02:56] <jsgotangco> ogra: i will probably fork the stable about ubuntu doc for 6.06 and add the edubuntu specific features
[02:56] <ogra> yep
[02:56] <jsgotangco> that way we could still have translations on it
[02:57] <jsgotangco> it'll be just a few additional strings
[02:57] <ogra> and a localhost link for schooltool
[02:57] <jsgotangco> can you provide me a bird's eye view of the most important features?
[02:57] <ogra> yep, willl do
[02:57] <jsgotangco> cheers
[02:57] <ogra> its mostly ltsp artwork and some smaller stuff on the desktop
[02:58] <ogra> will make a clean list
[02:58] <jsgotangco> it won't affect the doc freeze at all, the current docs already got branched but not edubuntu so its still in trunk
[02:58] <jsgotangco> okay
[02:58] <ogra> as i said, i dont agree at all with your early docfreeze 
[02:58] <jsgotangco> are you still going to put in ubuntu-docs?
[02:59] <ogra> and i take the freedom to decide that we dont use it in edubuntu :)
[02:59] <ogra> that depends on the space, the server guide is invaluable, i'd love to have it
[02:59] <jsgotangco> okay how are you going to put in jonathan's guide?
[02:59] <ogra> into edubuntu-docs
[02:59] <jsgotangco> as html?
[02:59] <ogra> which is kind of broken currently
[03:00] <ogra> first step will be html to get it in quickly
[03:00] <jsgotangco> well you can still point it from yelp though
[03:00] <ogra> if we could change it until release to be something better integrated, i'm fine
[03:00] <ogra> html is quick and dirty and guarantess that we'll have it in ... 
[03:01] <ogra> indeed i'd prefer xml at the end
[03:05] <jsgotangco> if its ready i can transform it quickly then just clean it up
[03:05] <JaneW> ok have you started?
[03:05] <mhz> re
[03:05] <mhz> meeting here?
[03:05] <jsgotangco> not really this isn't cookbook related 
[03:06] <ogra> mhz, rather than in a non public non logged channel
[03:06] <mhz> okis
[03:06] <mhz> just wondering
[03:06] <mhz> I need some coffee though because I'd like to participate on this one
[03:07] <ogra> so where is our fellow meeting leader ? 
[03:08] <JaneW> pygi!?
[03:08] <JaneW> ok we'll start at 10 past
[03:08] <JaneW> officially
[03:08] <JaneW> since the timing collided with the other meeting a little
[03:08] <JaneW> and we need a clear separation
[03:08] <JaneW> and I like to have time for a quick monologue
[03:09] <JaneW> :P
[03:09] <spacey> hi
[03:09] <ogra> you have the whole day 
[03:09] <ogra> (in case it gets a long monologue)
[03:09] <JaneW> heh
[03:09] <JaneW> it's been so long since I SPOKE to anyone
[03:11] <Hobbsee> JaneW: you dont speak to people?
[03:11] <JaneW> Hobbsee: there's no one here
[03:12] <Hobbsee> ah
[03:12] <JaneW> although I did get a phone call earlier so I am lying
[03:12] <Hobbsee> oh yes, i see
[03:12] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:12] <JaneW> and once my children get home I wish it was silent :)
[03:12] <Hobbsee> i thought you chaired a lot of the other meeting as well...which would involve plenty of speaking...
[03:12] <ogra> JaneW, at least you have people around you if you go outside ... guess when *i* spoke to someone in person the last time :)
[03:12] <JaneW> that's why the sprints are nice
[03:12] <jsgotangco> yeah
[03:12] <JaneW> cso we get to talk to eachother
[03:12] <jsgotangco> when would the next one be?
[03:13] <JaneW> jsgotangco: er in June sometimes, but we have not had any meetings
[03:13] <JaneW> Hobbsee: not so many atm
[03:13] <Hobbsee> JaneW: fair enough.  makes #kubuntu look busy in comparison!
[03:13] <JaneW> jsgotangco: I'll nominate you again, if I get a chance to
[03:14] <JaneW> ok we should start
[03:14] <JaneW> Hobbsee: yes our community is very small still
[03:14] <JaneW> KDE had a loyal following already
[03:14] <Hobbsee> a rather selective market, so yeah
[03:14] <JaneW> we are starting from stratch
[03:15] <Hobbsee> there arent *that* many school sys admins in the world...
[03:15] <ogra> hey, but we're still on place 68 on distrowatch ...
[03:15] <Hobbsee> :)
[03:15] <ogra> (rising)
[03:15] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:15] <jsgotangco> yeah
[03:15] <jsgotangco> that's something
[03:15] <ogra> it cant be *that* small
[03:15] <Hobbsee> congrats
[03:15] <JaneW> ogra: yes that's steadilly agining ground
[03:15] <JaneW> nice to see
[03:16] <JaneW> ogra: small PARTICIPATING community
[03:16] <Hobbsee> that is true
[03:16] <ogra> yep
[03:16] <JaneW> ok let's go
[03:16] <jsgotangco> ogra: sure we're a notch higher than Vine :/
[03:16] <jsgotangco> ogra: and Turbolinux
[03:16] <ogra> so where's the monologue
[03:16] <JaneW> spacey: pygi isn't here, but you have you info don't you?
[03:16] <spacey> info about what?
[03:17] <JaneW> *The*Edubuntu*Cook*Book*
[03:17] <ogra> whats that ? 
[03:17] <ogra> :P
[03:17] <spacey> the info i have is in the wiki
[03:17] <Hobbsee> JaneW: can i be an absolute pain, adn ask what that is?
[03:17] <JaneW> spacey: URL please
[03:17] <spacey> since the meeting gets postponed every day cyclus i didn't do anything 
[03:17] <JaneW> for everyone's reference
[03:18] <spacey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToCookEdubuntu
[03:18] <JaneW> ok question 1) Is this thing ever going to be done?
[03:18] <Hobbsee> ahh...
[03:18] <spacey> well with this the meeting got postponed every day cyclus i have less faith in that :P
[03:19] <spacey> but here it is
[03:19] <spacey> so there is still hope
[03:19] <ogra> JaneW, so that was your monologue ? 
[03:19] <spacey> if we get the things we want in there on a row
[03:19] <JaneW> yes I appologise I have been ill
[03:19] <spacey> i think we can fill it in
[03:19] <JaneW> some of the postponements were my fault
[03:19] <spacey> the reason nothing is written is because its not clear what should be written
[03:19] <JaneW> ogra: no I was babbling before the meeting, that was the monologue
[03:19] <ogra> i couldnt attend any of the meetings before because of RL issues
[03:19] <spacey> i was ill too last week
[03:20] <JaneW> spacey: I don't honestly understand that
[03:20] <spacey> that stuff just happens
[03:20] <JaneW> sorry to hear you were ill too
[03:20] <Bluekuja> hello guys :)
[03:20] <JaneW> ok so we are here now
[03:20] <JaneW> what if anything can we do
[03:20] <JaneW> we need to establish
[03:20] <spacey> too bad pygi isn't here
[03:20] <ogra> yes
[03:20] <JaneW> 1) Who wants to be involved
[03:20] <spacey> he had some mind food
[03:20] <JaneW> 2) How much time and effort they have to contribute (and what they actually want to and can do)
[03:21] <Bluekuja> oliver can i ask you something?
[03:21] <spacey> i am willing to write several chapters at least
[03:21] <JaneW> 3) We have to figure out if anything can be achieved in the time avaiable with 1 & 2
[03:21] <spacey> how much time is available
[03:21] <JaneW> spacey: excellent
[03:22] <spacey> jup
[03:22] <spacey> first meeting i planned 
[03:22] <JaneW> to the best of their ability and according to what they think is required
[03:22] <JaneW> we can do fine edits afterwards
[03:22] <spacey> was to pinpoint what we actually want to write
[03:22] <spacey> and make points per chapter what we want in there and what not
[03:22] <JaneW> and as I keep saying once we have something, we can work with it
[03:22] <ogra> id like to see the structure changed a bit
[03:22] <spacey> maybe i'm thinking to structured
[03:22] <Bluekuja> JaneW: about what are u discussing?
[03:22] <JaneW> ok so if we can't get that out in a group meeting make an 'executive decision'
[03:23] <ogra> Bluekuja, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToCookEdubuntu
[03:23] <Bluekuja> o
[03:23] <Bluekuja> let me see
[03:23] <JaneW> spacey: your thinking is correct, but we don;t have enough structure to support it right now
[03:23] <JaneW> spacey: which is why I want to take the approach of 'just do it' and then fix it
[03:23] <spacey> so you mean like, just write parts and stick it together 
[03:23] <Bluekuja> nice
[03:23] <JaneW> because it;s more likely that we'll get something out that way
[03:24] <JaneW> and we'll allow ppl to be more creative
[03:24] <spacey> with a stapler
[03:24] <JaneW> spacey YES
[03:24] <spacey> thats true
[03:24] <spacey> well there is one part done
[03:24] <JaneW> and then we can say, ok these 2 parts don;t go great together let;s edit these 2 chapters
[03:24] <spacey> its called Hardware requirements
[03:24] <Bluekuja> ogra: when you have some time free i have to ask you an hand
[03:24] <Bluekuja> ;)
[03:24] <JaneW> but in the mean time we are talking back and forth, but have nothing
[03:24] <spacey> JaneW: so we want to publish a list of chapters, and say fill it in like you want
[03:24] <JaneW> can anyone see the logic in what I am suggesting?
[03:25] <ogra> Bluekuja, yes, lets do it after the meeting, sorry for being a bit unresponsive yesterday
[03:25] <JaneW> spacey: yes
[03:25] <Bluekuja> np oliver :)
[03:25] <spacey> so lets just generate a list of topics
[03:25] <spacey> and fill every topic with content
[03:25] <JaneW> yes ok
[03:25] <JaneW> you had a chapter layout
[03:25] <spacey> yeah
[03:25] <JaneW> is everyone happy with that?
[03:26] <ogra> nope
[03:26] <bimberi> is https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuCookbook the same thing?
[03:26] <JaneW> ogra had suggestions for changes...?
[03:26] <spacey> i wasn't really happy with it myself
[03:26] <spacey> it needs discussion
[03:26] <ogra> i'd like to flip workstation and default install in that structure
[03:26] <JaneW> ok let's do that
[03:26] <JaneW> it was on e-mail
[03:26] <JaneW> is it in the wiki too?
[03:26] <spacey> yeh
[03:26] <jsgotangco> bimberi: that was my original document for 5.10 but no one helped me so...
[03:26] <spacey> JaneW: i think the wiki one is outdated
[03:26] <spacey> compared to the email one
[03:26] <spacey> pygi send some chapter layouts around
[03:26] <jsgotangco> yeah that's the one i started before
[03:26] <spacey> sent
[03:26] <JaneW> spacey: can you quickly update?
[03:26] <bimberi> jsgotangco: ah kk :|
[03:27] <JaneW> spacey: then we can edit right now
[03:27] <JaneW> jsgotangco: we promise to help now
[03:27] <spacey> i can copy paste from the email
[03:27] <spacey> let me look
[03:27] <jsgotangco> tee hee
[03:27] <JaneW> don't give up
[03:27] <JaneW> spacey: ty
[03:27] <jsgotangco> JaneW: I could still look into svn for the early work i did and use it
[03:28] <jsgotangco> but i cannot promise to help out on the cookbook now
[03:28] <JaneW> jsgotangco: it may still be relevant, so yes please!
[03:28] <JaneW> jsgotangco: understood, I know you are busy
[03:29] <JaneW> hi mgalvin 
[03:29] <ogra> wow we have the elite of the docteam here now :)
[03:29] <JaneW> *stage whisper* plus if we could get mgalvin to make some edubuntu feature tours...
[03:29] <spacey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToCookEdubuntu/Chapters#preview
[03:29] <jsgotangco> ogra: we can probably use this instead https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuQuickguide/IntroductionToEdubuntu
[03:29] <ogra> if we'd have approval for the artwork finally, yes :/
[03:29] <spacey> top of that wikipage
[03:30] <mgalvin> hi all!
[03:30] <JaneW> spacey: thanks
[03:30] <ogra> jsgotangco, yeah, looks very good
[03:30] <JaneW> jsgotangco: will that have screenshots?
[03:31] <ogra> JaneW, the ff startpage ? 
[03:31] <JaneW> ogra: yes
[03:31] <jsgotangco> just the edubuntu CSS if we're still going to use the red thing
[03:31] <ogra> bakertime brb
[03:32] <jsgotangco> wow now i read that thing i  wrote a few months ago, i seem to like it
[03:32] <JaneW> mgalvin: oooh cool, thanks!
[03:33] <mhz> JaneW: I see logic but I am still thinking if I can do anything (commitment, I mean)
[03:33] <JaneW> mhz: come on it could launch your writing career
[03:34] <spacey> ogra: if you want different chapterlayout or something please edit the wiki
[03:34] <JaneW> can everyone take a look at it and comment as they see fit please?
[03:35] <JaneW> spacey: what happened to the table that people can put their names against
[03:35] <JaneW> it will be pointless if 10 ppl all do the introduction
[03:35] <JaneW> so we should see who is working on what
[03:36] <spacey> yeah
[03:36] <spacey> sorry brb
[03:36] <ogra> re
[03:38] <mgalvin> i am going to try and make sure all the derivs have a beta tour... so i have a quick request...
[03:39] <ogra> shoot
[03:39] <JaneW> mgalvin: all ears
[03:40] <jsgotangco> pay him
[03:40] <JaneW> haha
[03:40] <ogra> i'd love to ... but mark didnt adopt me yet
[03:40] <mgalvin> since edubuntu is based on GNOME i know what features are there but i don't follow all the edubuntu dev so might there be a list of features i could reference or...
[03:40] <mgalvin> could someone possibly help me come up with just such a list
[03:40] <jsgotangco> yeah that'll be useful too for the about edubuntu page
[03:40] <ogra> mgalvin, i just agreed to make a featurelist 
[03:41] <ogra> i'll put you on CC
[03:41] <spacey> sorry, have some RL drama here
[03:41] <ogra> :(
[03:41] <JaneW> spacey: you ok?
[03:41] <mgalvin> oh, ok sweet!
[03:41] <JaneW> ogra: cc me too please
[03:41] <ogra> will do
[03:41] <JaneW> ogra: I battle to keep up :)
[03:41] <ogra> :)
[03:43] <JaneW> ok the cookbook is doomed
[03:43] <ogra> is it ? 
[03:43] <JaneW> well Pygi couldn't get here and now spacey is away too
[03:43] <ogra> true
[03:43] <JaneW> although I stand by what I said earlier
[03:44] <JaneW> anyone who is interested should just dive in and do a section which interests them as they see fit
[03:44] <JaneW> in the mean time highvoltage's doc rocks and we should use it
[03:44] <ogra> yep
[03:44] <ogra> thats why i decided to ship it
[03:44] <JaneW> good thanks
[03:45] <ogra> mgalvin, he initiated that meeting 
[03:45] <JaneW> mgalvin: well you can let him know that there's very little faith atm
[03:45] <ogra> mgalvin, so you would have to run it :P
[03:45] <mgalvin> oh
[03:45] <JaneW> we just can;t seem to get the thing to fly
[03:45] <mgalvin> ummm :)
[03:45] <JaneW> too much discussion and too'ing and fro'ing
[03:45] <JaneW> I just want to see someone take it and do it
[03:45] <JaneW> we can crit it and improve it after
[03:46] <JaneW> but mostly we just need something to work with
[03:46] <JaneW> and that's our biggest issue right now
[03:46] <ogra> i guee jonathans doc will just grow over the releases to become the cookbook if we dont get people to write it now
[03:46] <ogra> *guess
[03:46] <JaneW> we keep getting stuck in hypothetical discussions
[03:46] <JaneW> I can not write the book
[03:46] <ogra> why ? 
[03:46] <JaneW> but I could take someone;s work and help to edit it
[03:47] <ogra> did you even try to write a book ? 
[03:47] <JaneW> so I am waiting to have something I can work with
[03:47] <JaneW> ogra: well no
[03:48] <mhz> ogra: do we really have many diff from jonathan's distro?
[03:48] <ogra> mhz, not anymore
[03:49] <mhz> and is it a matter of license or something else, we can't/shouldn't base on jonathan's?
[03:49] <ogra> we base on jonathans
[03:49] <ogra> we just cant base on the old one since it handles ltsp 4.1
[03:50] <ogra> and the new one is still very young
[03:51] <mgalvin> Pygi says... "please tell them that at least me and Spacey will write it if nothing else"
[03:52] <spacey> mgalvin: yes
[03:55] <JaneW> mgalvin: cool, tell him we'll hold them to that :)
[03:55] <JaneW> mgalvin: they can dive right in and discuss issues as they arise in #edubuntu or the mailing list, no need to wait for specific meetings.
[03:57] <spacey> ogra: did you want any changes in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToCookEdubuntu/Chapters ?
[03:57] <mgalvin> JaneW: sent
[03:57] <spacey> ogra: if so please do 
[03:57] <ogra> spacey, yes, sorry. phone
[03:57] <spacey> ok np
[03:58] <ogra> i just want to flip workstation and default chapters, the workstation is an extra goodie, we should treat it like that even in documentation
[03:59] <ogra> meh. LP is down
[03:59] <ogra> cant edit currently
[04:00] <JaneW> ogra: yes another 15 minds or so I think
[04:00] <ogra> yup
[04:00] <JaneW> ogra: was a 40 min maint slot
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[04:00] <ogra> :)
[04:01] <mhz> hmmmmmmm
[04:02] <mhz> I would still suggest we define sort of "iterations" for CookBook
[04:03] <mhz> defining the "URGENTLY needed chapters" iterations (maybe 1 week iterations will do)
[04:03] <ogra> spacey, changed
[04:03] <mhz> then, move on to "less URGENT needed chapters" iterations
[04:03] <mhz> and so on
[04:03] <mhz> kind of "Extreme Programming" iterations
[04:04] <ogra> mhz, feel free to change the wiki ;)
[04:04] <spacey> well
[04:04] <spacey> thats great
[04:04] <mhz> Could/Would XP apply to this?
[04:04] <ogra> XP ?
[04:04] <spacey> i think its an huge collection of chapters by now
[04:04] <mhz> extreme programming = xp
[04:04] <spacey> which means *plenty* of work
[04:04] <ogra> no idea 
[04:04] <spacey> ogra: ;p
[04:04] <mhz> ogra: hehehee
[04:05] <spacey> we can mark some chapters as essential
[04:05] <mhz> ogra on roller ksating ?
[04:05] <ogra> yep
[04:05] <spacey> that might be a good idea
[04:05] <mhz> skating
[04:05] <ogra> mhz, mostly time pressure is enough to keep it extreme :)
[04:05] <ogra> but regarding the screensaver i also have extremely annoyed users around me sometimes :)
[04:06] <mhz> ogra: yeah, just pulling your leg...oh and yes, to put up with your work load, you need some equilibrium and tricks
[04:06] <ogra> tricks are fine :)
[04:08] <mhz> spacey: I am not the one to speak about it (too far away from edubuntu lately but trying to get back little by little) but could you specify some "requirements" in a exteme programming methodology fashion?
[04:08] <spacey> sorry i skipped the extreme programming subject on school:)
[04:08] <mhz> ooh, okis
[04:08] <spacey> i don't like programming
[04:08] <spacey> :p
[04:09] <mhz> spacey: i have no idea about programming, but that methodology is one of the coolest for every project where requirements are a lot, time is little, people group vary, etc.
[04:10] <spacey> well i'm sure you can google for that
[04:10] <JaneW> ok my time is up
[04:10] <mhz> JaneW: familiar with extreme programming methodology? ( jsgotangco maybe?)
[04:10] <JaneW> have we achieved anything here?
[04:10] <JaneW> mhz: some of the theory yes
[04:10] <JaneW> but I am no programmer
[04:10] <JaneW> unless a semester of Turbo C counts :P
[04:11] <mhz> JaneW: me neither :D but would you consider it for cookbook current needs ?
[04:12] <JaneW> I can *try*
[04:12] <JaneW> but I have some other resp too
[04:12] <ogra> JaneW, spacey and Pygi will care is the outcome imho
[04:12] <JaneW> yes
[04:12] <jsgotangco> err
[04:12] <jsgotangco> why do you need XP?
[04:12] <ogra> if people ask to help, we'll ponit them to them
[04:12] <JaneW> ok so when someone is working on something please put your name against it
[04:12] <JaneW> so there's no duplication
[04:13] <jsgotangco> mhz: XP cannot be applied to writing
[04:13] <spacey> thats infe
[04:13] <mhz> spacey: basically, (very basically) it is about defining very little requirements, each requirement is considered a "functional" goal, and we all get to work on this tiny bunch of requirements defined in a small period of time (iterations)
[04:13] <spacey> why do you tell me? :P
[04:14] <jsgotangco> mhz: id rather have this discussion go on defining what needs to be written quickly than methodologies
[04:14] <jsgotangco> like reusing existing wiki pages
[04:15] <mhz> jsgotangco: me too, believe me, but they way I see it, it is all being considered as "urgent" and imho, that is not helping anyone 
[04:16] <jsgotangco> ogra: about edubuntu is done, im just waiting now for your feature list
[04:18] <ogra> will do it during the day, i need to dig up all the old flight announcements
[04:21] <jsgotangco> no worries
[04:47] <jsgotangco> i guess the discussion about the cookbook just died without warning?
[05:00] <highvoltage> hi guys
[05:01] <jsgotangco> hey
[05:03] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: are you very active with xubuntu?
[05:03] <mhz> re
[05:04] <mhz> highvoltage: nomed is active in xubuntu
[05:04] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: not really
[05:04] <Bluekuja> hi jon :)
[05:04] <mhz> highvoltage: oh... "with" or "in"?
[05:04] <highvoltage> hi Bluekuja 
[05:05] <Bluekuja> how are you today jon?
[05:05] <highvoltage> mhz: whichever way he'd like to answer it :)
[05:05] <highvoltage> Bluekuja: very tired. we had lots of long, long meetings, which ran in circles
[05:05] <highvoltage> i didn't talk much just listened, but it was quite tiring
[05:05] <Bluekuja> yeah , i did a meeting too today
[05:06] <highvoltage> ok, i'm off to home, will reconnect there. bye!
[05:06] <Bluekuja> okie cya :)
[05:31] <jsgotangco> is edubuntu-es active?
[05:31] <mhz> jsgotangco: hehehe, define active ;)
[05:31] <jsgotangco> err edubuntu-devel-es i mean
[05:32] <jsgotangco> (list)
[05:32] <mhz> jsgotangco: not that I know of.
[05:32] <mhz> jsgotangco: hmmmm
[05:32] <mhz> i wonder too
[05:33] <mhz> I guees it should be
[05:33] <mhz> otherwise, people wont come anyways
[05:33] <mhz> I mean, it is a resource
[05:33] <jsgotangco> lol ok
[05:33] <mhz> and I do hpe
[05:34] <mhz> hope that after June 1st and 2nd, people will activate it
[05:34] <jsgotangco> mhz: i'll add it its an edubuntu resource anyway
[05:34] <jsgotangco> activate?
[05:34] <mhz> yup
[05:34] <jsgotangco> whare is there to activate?
[05:34] <jsgotangco> i see https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-devel-es and there is little traffic
[05:34] <mhz> the FET is held on June 1st and 2nd, so I cross my fingers many teachers will start pointing towards edubuntu afterwards
[05:34] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[05:35] <jsgotangco> how do i describe this?
[05:35] <mhz> i apologize for my still messy-sense english
[05:35] <jsgotangco> "spanish-only edubuntu list" ?
[05:35] <mhz> hmmm
[05:36] <mhz> edubuntu list for spanish speakers willing to contribute to develop edubuntu
[05:36] <mhz> jsgotangco: ?
[05:37] <mhz> oh, you need a 3 word definition?
[05:37] <jsgotangco> would it be better if i describe it as a special interest group for edubuntu in spanish?
[05:37] <mhz> okis
[05:38] <mhz> you have more experience on such definitions
[05:38] <jsgotangco> hmm ok let me think on how to describe such
[05:38] <jsgotangco> gimme a few minutes
[05:38] <jsgotangco> Lista de coordinacion y colaboracion en el desarrollo de Edubuntu mundial -y temas asociados- y de ayuda a los interesados en probar Edubuntu (profesores, alumnos y amigos de Edubuntu).
[05:38] <jsgotangco> Para ver envos anteriores a la lista, puede visitar los archivos de edubuntu-devel-es . 
[05:39] <mhz> i give you the few minutes ;) and a cheer \o/\o/\o/
[05:39] <jsgotangco> desarollo?
[05:39] <mhz> desarrollo = development
[05:40] <jsgotangco> ahh
[05:40] <mhz> jsgotangco: need a version (translation into a foreign language) of it?
[05:40] <jsgotangco> i understand a fair bit of spanish
[05:40] <mhz> o, cool
[05:40] <mhz> que bueno!
[05:40] <jsgotangco> some words just escape me though
[05:59] <jsgotangco> mhz: how does this fare to you?
[05:59] <jsgotangco> The Edubuntu community mailing list, where we discuss news, ideas and issues with Edubuntu. There is also a special interest group for Edubuntu in the Spanish language.
[06:01] <mhz> jsgotangco: very good! excellente
[06:02] <jsgotangco> (it likes to edubuntu-devel-es)
[06:02] <jsgotangco> s/likes/links
[06:08] <jsgotangco> ogra: ok both are done already, just ping me whenever you need it
[06:08] <jsgotangco> im going to sleep
[06:09] <mhz> jsgotangco: ready to translate ?
[06:09] <jsgotangco> no not yet
[06:09] <jsgotangco> we'll have to register it in rosetta for that
[06:09] <jsgotangco> it should build in http://doc.ubuntu.com as an html preview later
[06:10] <mhz> jsgotangco: but maybe I could translate into text
[06:10] <mhz> and then get into Rosetta
[06:10] <mhz> or not wise?
[06:10] <jsgotangco> nahhh i'll make sure it gets into rosetta by on easter
[06:10] <jsgotangco> if not the day after easter
[06:11] <mhz> cool
[06:11] <jsgotangco> shouldn't be that much it'll probaly be around 50 lines in rosetta anyways
[06:11] <mhz> okis
[06:11] <mhz> np
[06:11] <mhz> I can deal with it
[06:11] <mhz> and it was time I do that anyways
[06:11] <jsgotangco> try checking out doc.ubuntu.com later and see if the edubuntu part gets to be updated
[06:12] <jsgotangco> it does its cron job twice a day it might get triggered later
[06:12] <mhz> okis
[06:27] <mhz> highvoltage: gee! that car is fast!
[06:33] <highvoltage> mhz: i only live 10 minutes from work :)
[06:34] <ogra> did you ever consider not taking the shortcut via johannisburg on your way home ? 
[06:35] <highvoltage> ogra: hehe! if that was the case, then it really *would* be a fast car!
[06:35] <ogra> :)
[06:35] <highvoltage> if it was that fast i'd drive to germany and help you move :)
[06:35] <ogra> hehe
[06:36] <ogra> if it was *that* fast, it wouldnt have a boot :)
[06:36] <highvoltage> :)
[06:40] <mhz> Mr. operator
[06:41] <Bluekuja> jon find everytime some girls near the place he works and so the duration of the trip work-home is longer haha
[06:41] <highvoltage> :)
[06:42] <mhz> hehehe
[06:42] <highvoltage> Bluekuja: actually, when i got home a girl called me and talked for nearly half an hour, i would've been back in the channel sooner if it weren't for that :)
[06:42] <Bluekuja> haha so thats true
[06:42] <Bluekuja> playboy
[06:43] <mhz> hehehe, everyone wants a piece of "voltage"
[06:43] <Bluekuja> haha
[06:44] <mhz> "need new sensations? Get highvoltage!"
[06:44] <Bluekuja> xD
[06:44] <mhz> see? we can run your marketing campaign
[06:44] <Bluekuja> how are girls there jon?
[06:45] <mhz> highvoltage: do you have a bookmark for a pantone-hexadecimal/rgb colors?
[06:45] <Bluekuja> maybe me
[06:46] <Bluekuja> you mean something like this
[06:46] <Bluekuja> wait getting the link
[06:46] <Bluekuja> :)
[06:47] <mhz> okis
[06:48] <Bluekuja> http://www.colourlovers.com/
[06:48] <Bluekuja> see if its what are  you searching for
[06:48] <highvoltage> mhz: something like this?
[06:48] <highvoltage> !google hexadecimal rgb colors
[06:48] <ubotu> Bugger all, I dunno. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, highvoltage
[06:49] <highvoltage> hmm.. ubotu is a bit dumber than i though :)
[06:49] <highvoltage> http://www.web-source.net/216_color_chart.htm
[06:49] <mhz> :D
[06:50] <Bluekuja> it was good mauricio?
[06:50] <mhz> still opening
[06:51] <Bluekuja> hehehe okie
[06:54] <Bluekuja> mmm...now that site stopped loading
[06:54] <Bluekuja> strange maybe is under maintanance
[06:55] <mhz> highvoltage: hmmm
[06:55] <mhz> something like that
[06:55] <mhz> but as i have never actually seen a pantone
[06:55] <mhz> no idea
[06:55] <mhz> sure, I guess it is something like that
[06:55] <mhz> Bluekuja: nope, still loading
[06:55] <Bluekuja> really strange
[06:55] <Bluekuja> it was working 
[06:56] <Bluekuja> something like 5 minutes ago
[06:58] <Bluekuja> it was a  very good website
[06:58] <mhz> wow!!!
[06:58] <mhz> THIS IS IT
[06:58] <mhz> http://www.weprintcolor.com/pantone_RGB_convert.htm
[06:58] <Bluekuja> xD
[06:58] <mhz> thx guys
[06:58] <Bluekuja> let me see
[06:59] <Bluekuja> nice
[06:59] <Bluekuja> :)
[06:59] <Bluekuja> np mauricio
[06:59] <Bluekuja> your welcome
[07:08] <Bluekuja> mauricio wats the local time where you live?
[07:13] <mhz> utc -4
[07:13] <mhz> 13:13
[07:13] <Bluekuja> o
[07:13] <Bluekuja> here in italy its gmt +1
[07:14] <Bluekuja> 19:14
[07:15] <highvoltage> Bluekuja: really? it's gmt+2 in south africa and it's the same time here :)
[07:15] <Bluekuja> hehe yeah
[07:16] <Bluekuja> we have the same time
[07:16] <Bluekuja> nice for meetings
[07:16] <Bluekuja> ^^
[07:16] <highvoltage> mhz: i'll e-mail you a bit later, i need to go to a friend quickly
[07:16] <Bluekuja> ciao jon
[07:16] <Bluekuja> see you later
[07:16] <Bluekuja> :)
[07:17] <highvoltage> ciao Bluekuja!
[07:17] <Bluekuja> cya :)
[07:17] <highvoltage> i still want to hear more about your ideas for italy, and we need to put down our plans for that testing!
[07:17] <highvoltage> l8rs...
[07:17] <Bluekuja> yeah jon
[07:39] <lucasvo> Bluekuja: you have forgotten the dailight saving time
[07:39] <lucasvo> atm, it is gmt+1+daylightsaving(1h)
[07:47] <mhz> Bluekuja: http://www.warpgear.com/pantone/index.php?hex=%23686868&red=104&green=104&blue=104&mincolors=3
[07:47] <mhz> this is awsome
[07:47] <mhz> and
[07:47] <mhz> http://www.netfront.fr/Services/rgb2pantone/pantone.htm?r=&g=&b=&rgb=ff4809
[07:47] <mhz> showing variations
[08:22] <pygi> JaneW, ogra, spacey, highvoltage: poke
[08:22] <spacey> pong
[08:22] <pygi> spacey: have you been at meeting today?
[08:23] <spacey> yup
[08:24] <spacey> pygi: read back in the channellog
[08:24] <pygi> spacey: then you know we are to write book on our own?
[08:24] <spacey> pygi: yup
[08:24] <spacey> i know
[08:24] <pygi> spacey: good :-P
[08:24] <pygi> where is the log? url perhaps?
[08:27] <spacey> dunno
[08:27] <spacey> but ubuntulog logs
[08:27] <spacey> :)
[08:27] <pygi> joy spacey :)
[08:27] <pygi> I'll have a look now...sec pls
[08:27] <spacey> http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/
[08:31] <pygi> was it in #edubuntu or in #u-meeting
[08:31] <pygi> spacey:?
[08:31] <spacey> edubuntu
[08:31] <pygi> k, lemme look
[08:34] <spacey> yes that was a bit inconvienant
[08:34] <pygi> spacey: lol, this was bah "he had some mind food" :-P
[08:34] <pygi> what did that mean? :P
[08:36] <pygi> spacey: was wiki changed according to ogra suggestions?
[08:39] <pygi> spacey: still alive? :)
[08:41] <pygi> JaneW, spacey, highvoltage, still alive? :)
[08:44] <pygi> spacey: wake up pls :)
[09:00] <spacey> :o
[09:08] <Burgwork> JaneW, I wonder if Canonical should fund some driver work on whiteboards
[09:46] <spacey> pygi on launchpad?
[09:51] <spacey> check
[10:20] <hollerith> howzit! can you make an ubuntu install into an edubuntu one? 
[10:25] <jouni__m> hollerith just install edubuntu-desktop meta-package
[10:27] <hollerith> ok thanks! 
[10:29] <jouni__m> hollerith if you need ltsp server I don't know how to install it
[10:30] <Arc> there's instructions for ubuntu ltsp on the ltsp website
[10:30] <Arc> check the 4.2 docs
[10:30] <hollerith> er what is it?  ltsp server
[10:30] <Arc> you don't know what an ltsp server is?
[10:30] <hollerith> nope
[10:31] <Arc> LTSP = Linux Terminal Server Project
[10:31] <Arc> you know how X is client-server based, and how you can run X applications over the network?
[10:31] <hollerith> ah! like vnc ;)
[10:31] <Arc> much better than VNC
[10:32] <hollerith> how so?
[10:32] <Arc> thin clients only need about 8 megs of ram, they boot over the network, and they get their own login screens and sessions
[10:32] <Arc> you can run an entire building of terminals from one decent server (costing prehaps $1k USD)
[10:33] <Arc> from experience, I suggest terminals be at least pentium 2 w/ an accelerated video card (ie, ATI Rage128, Radeon, MGA..)
[10:34] <Arc> the idea being, for a school, you build one server.. prehaps a dual-core or quad-core Opteron system with 2 gigs ram and a sizable hard disk..
[10:34] <hollerith> vnc is pretty light
[10:34] <Arc> you need a web browser to connect to VNC.  with LTSP, you don't even need a hard drive in your terminals.
[10:35] <Arc> each terminal could be a Pentium 3, which many schools are throwing away right now, with even a low-end accelerated card
[10:35] <hollerith> uh not so - that's just a tightvnc plugin
[10:35] <Arc> some gigabit networking gear for a backbone so everything doesn't saturate a single 100meg connection to the server
[10:35] <Arc> hollerith: you don't get it.
[10:35] <Arc> VNC requires a working full computer to connect to a server
[10:36] <Arc> with LTSP, you need no hard drive.  you need almost nothing but the base components and a monitor
[10:36] <Arc> the systems boot over the network, kernel, filesystem, everything.  you plug a floppy disk or USB flash disk into one of the terminals, an icon appears on your desktop
[10:37] <Arc> VNC is just a remote access system that runs over a web browser.  it doesn't compare at all.
[10:37] <hollerith> ...like Larry Ellison's net computer
[10:37] <Arc> set one up, you'll understand it more.
[10:38] <Arc> I was disappointed with LTSP a few years ago, but 4.2 is quite nice.  they even have their own network filesystem (LTSPfs) for using local drives
[10:38] <hollerith> okay - where I'm at is I don't need remote desktop or lstp, I vnc from A to B which is usually a PC (linux)
[10:39] <hollerith> I want edubuntu because I picked up a whole lot of old Dells from my work and 
[10:39] <Arc> LTSP isn't for single-user environments.  it's for large institutions like a school or business 
[10:39] <hollerith> put ubuntu on them to give to some kids I know who have no computers
[10:40] <Arc> LTSP only works when the computers are on the same LAN.
[10:41] <Arc> if you're looking to run things over the Internet, using XDMCP/X11 over SSH
[10:41] <hollerith> but I need parental (or legal guardian) controls so edubuntu but no terminal services - sorry to talk over you I type slow
[10:41] <Arc> then why are you asking about LTSP?
[10:42] <hollerith> someone asked me if I needed it and I asked what it was
[10:42] <jouni__m> hollerith then edubuntu-desktop is just what you want :)
[10:42] <hollerith> that's a long way to a punchline
[10:43] <Arc> how does "Wyld World" sound for a kids edutainment suite centered around pokemon-like epets
[10:43] <jouni__m> Arc thanks I though ltsp would be intresting. now I think it's must test thing if I get time for it.
[10:43] <hollerith> lekke
[10:44] <Arc> jouni__m: yes its very interesting.
[10:44] <Arc> :-)
[10:45] <Arc> comments on "Wyld World"?
[10:46] <hollerith> ja - Wyld World is lekke
[10:46] <hollerith> nice
[10:47] <hollerith> good - like Pokemon in the bush
[10:47] <Arc> ive got a mario 64-like action/adventure world and interface using Soya, kids will have a pet in this world which needs things that they need to collect by completing missions
[10:47] <hollerith> as for linux terminal services - is that related to the microsoft RDP? 
[10:48] <Arc> like finding a certain kind and number of berry (identified by shape and color), or building things based on simple math (addition and subtraction)
[10:48] <hollerith> You got me again - Soya is a 3D rendering engine?
[10:49] <Arc> hollerith: no.  it uses TFTP, NFS, XDMCP, and X11 protocols.  it has absolutly nothing to do with Microsoft or any project they've worked on
[10:49] <Arc> Soya3d is a popular Python module for 3d games
[10:50] <Arc> its easy to write games using Python and Soya, leaving designers to focus on game design and content rather than struggling through debugging code
[10:50] <hollerith> Python?  Now you're talking! 
[10:51] <hollerith> I've been meaning to get into using pygame now there's this too - anybody feel like Python  is moving soo fast this last year or so?
[10:52] <Arc> oh. if you're talking about microsoft remote desktops, LTSP supports that too. you can even have multiple screens active at once on the same terminal, one to linux and the other to windows.  i saw that at a demo once.
[10:52] <Arc> pygame only does 2d graphics, which is kinda outdated
[10:52] <Arc> though it'll use acceleration if it's available.
[10:52] <jouni__m> Arc Wyld World sound cool for kids.
[10:52] <Arc> thanks jouni__m :-)
[10:56] <hollerith> outdated? what about game play? :)
[10:56] <jouni__m> Arc Old Snoopy calculator has good simple math games. There was basic add substract multiple and divine calculations and 2 games.
[10:57] <hollerith> Is there a character called Wyld?
[10:59] <jouni__m> first was based on < = > things for example left side 4+1 and right side 6 and < is correct answer.  Points are based on number of mistakes and time
[10:59] <hollerith> algebra? what kind of age group are you aiming at?
[11:01] <jouni__m> second was "shooting" numbers so the sum has to be ten. For example 7 kills 3. It was fast game.
[11:04] <hollerith> hey do you remember those questions about 'how long does it take two men dig a ditch'...?
[11:05] <hollerith> or like 'a tap dripping for so long - how long does it take to fill the bucket' (I am really old so maybe not..)
[11:05] <Arc> I'm not doing anything that involves shooting anything
[11:06] <hollerith> how about a cluedo like game based on figuring out elementary problems like these? 
[11:06] <hollerith> eliminate suspects etc 
[11:06] <Arc> naa all the math stuff so far is finding certain numbers of berries to make a potion
[11:07] <hollerith> hmm - like a D&D thing
[11:07] <jouni__m> Arc shooting is bad term for it. It was just numbers.
[11:07] <Arc> hollerith: have you ever played pokemon?
[11:08] <hollerith> no - its like a tamuguchi creature?
[11:08] <Arc> or seen it on tv? or digimon?
[11:08] <hollerith> yeah I saw it - they fight
[11:08] <Arc> pokemon was originally a RPG that Nintendo came out with, you're a "trainer" who collects wild monsters and trains them to fight other monsters
[11:09] <Arc> you give them potions to heal them
[11:09] <hollerith> oh true.  and they evolve into better 
[11:10] <hollerith> pokemon - is pokemon still about?  I thought it was all beyblades these days
[11:11] <Arc> doesnt matter
[11:11] <Arc> pokemon trading cards and tv show is still really popular
[11:11] <Arc> heck mighty morphin power rangers is still popular
[11:11] <hollerith> true.  doesn't matter.  
[11:12] <hollerith> you still see it lots
[11:13] <hollerith> a lot of this stuff is still fueled by cartoons but stays under the olds radar
[11:14] <hollerith> isn't there going to be some digital rights issue?
[11:19] <Arc> im not copying pokemon, only using a similar theme
[11:29] <hollerith> @arc best of luck with that - I've got to go put edbuntu-desktop on lots of really slow PII's :)
[11:31] <hollerith> @arc:thanks for the info