=== Sergi0 [n=serge@ip227-28-166-62.adsl.versatel.nl] has joined #edubuntu === jinty [n=jinty@215.Red-83-49-54.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === thedarkener [n=thedarke@adsl-69-109-211-9.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #edubuntu [01:01] hey guys [01:02] what do you think is going on if terminals give a "Cannot access TTY, job control turned off" message when booting via ltsp into edubuntu? [01:03] out of memory ? [01:04] ooooh no [01:04] hehe [01:04] seriously? [01:04] dunno, how much has it ? [01:04] 512mb [01:04] lol [01:04] it's got 6 clients [01:04] i know i know ;) [01:04] i mean the terminal [01:04] i had them all booted up before with like 4 logged in [01:04] not the server :) [01:04] oh [01:05] at least 256mb, probably more [01:05] they're toshiba laptops [01:05] ah, ok [01:05] kids no get potato guy :( [01:05] you need at least 64M ... running out of mem could trigger such a message [01:05] on the client you mean? [01:06] yep [01:06] well i'm positive they have that much [01:06] 256 is a bit oversized :) [01:06] hehe..yeah, they're 'fairly new' laptops [01:06] when in the bootprocess does it happen [01:07] well what i got was "Loading Initial Drivers" and then "It tries to load a bunch of programs" (which translates into a few more lines of dmesg i'm sure) [01:07] i'm not onsite so I can't say for sure [01:08] i hate not having access... they need filtering software before they want to hook it up to the net [01:08] looks like a nfs timeout, do you end up on a bash prompt ? [01:09] yeah she said something about a help prompt and she doesn't know what to do there [01:09] i'm guessing it's a bash prompt [01:09] its the busybox prompt from initramfs [01:09] ok [01:10] it falls back to that if it cant mount the rootfs [01:10] is that a breezy installation ? [01:10] what processes are responsible for that? i turned off samba and gdm on the server yesterday when i was there [01:10] dapper flight 6 [01:10] shit you know what [01:10] i updated the server yesterday before i installed it but i forgot to rebuild the ltsp client system [01:11] could that do it? [01:11] yep [01:11] argh [01:11] hehe [01:11] kernel/initramfs mistmatch [01:11] ok..my bad [01:11] thanks so much ogra [01:11] there was an evil bug in breezys nfs server... [01:11] what's weird is it was working yesterday! [01:12] well it was dapper flight 5 before i updated yesterday [01:12] that only occurs on boot of the first terminal [01:12] hmm, dapper flight 5 to 6 shouldnt have such issues [01:13] hmmmmmmmm [01:13] i thought you updated from breezy [01:13] well i did but not the update from yesterday [01:14] its in any case a problem with mounting the rootfs, be it through a nfs error or through any kind of mistmatch [01:14] ok [01:15] i'll have to get down there tomorrow and troubleshoot [01:17] does ltsp-build-client require net access? [01:19] if you have a CD: sudo mount /cdrom && sudo ltsp-build-client --mirror file:///cdrom [01:19] should work fine with flight6 [01:20] ok [01:20] great.. i just called back and she said they're all working now..heh [01:20] so weird! [01:21] hmm ... [01:21] i'll update from the net tomorrow when i'm down there, it's their second day online with it so i'm gonna get some feedback from them [01:21] cool [01:21] s/online/on edubuntu/ [01:22] awesome thanks ogra =) [01:22] :) === bimberi [n=bimberi@pdpc/supporter/active/bimberi] has joined #edubuntu === Sergi0 [n=serge@ip227-28-166-62.adsl.versatel.nl] has joined #edubuntu === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.212.70] has joined #edubuntu === ubotu [n=blootbot@ubuntu.cc.com.au] has joined #edubuntu === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #edubuntu [04:36] ogra: ping? === mhz [n=mhz_chil@moinmoin/fan/mhz] has joined #edubuntu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === ubotu [n=blootbot@ubuntu.cc.com.au] has joined #edubuntu === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu === bimberi [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-68-200-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@201.230.101.71] has joined #edubuntu === jinty [n=jinty@215.Red-83-49-54.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu === Rondom [n=Rondom@87.193.13.252] has joined #edubuntu === bimberi [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu === jane_ [n=JaneW@dsl-165-220-236.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === hannes_ [i=hannes@dna254-92.satp.customers.dnainternet.fi] has joined #edubuntu === hannes_ [i=hannes@dna254-92.satp.customers.dnainternet.fi] has joined #edubuntu [12:17] does xchat have support for blind ppl? [12:17] there is someone who wants to join the edubuntu cookbook meeting, but can not see [12:18] JaneW, try to find TheMuso and ask him what he uses [12:18] (he's blind) [12:18] ogra: ok will do [12:18] usually in -devl or -motu === JaneW msg's him... [12:18] I have been e-mailing back and forth with this poor guy [12:19] as he has offered to help and kept asking *how* [12:19] he finaly had to spell out to me that he needs help to get to the meeting as he is unfamiliar with the platform AND has accessibility issues === JaneW registers properly and then msgs again [12:50] **Reminder** Edubuntu meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 10 minutes [12:50] huh ? [12:51] **Reminder** Edubuntu cookbook meeting in #edubuntu-cookbook in 70 minutes [12:51] you mean 70 minutes [12:51] :)+ [12:51] oh am I am hour early? [12:51] how did that happen? [12:51] DST ? [12:51] sorry [12:51] **Reminder** Edubuntu meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 70 minutes [12:51] btw, did you see https://launchpad.net/people/edubuntu-members [12:52] **Reminder** Edubuntu cookbook meeting in #edubuntu-cookbook in 130 minutes === JaneW looks [12:52] community council? [12:52] i'll announce it in the meeting ... we're able to "make" members now [12:53] (which includes a edubuntu.org mailaddress ;) ) [12:53] its the equivalent to ubuntu-members [12:53] (or kubuntu-members, which was created alongside by elmo) [12:54] nice [12:54] cool :) [12:54] is there a special coc for edubuntu members? ;) [12:54] juliux, the same one applies :) [12:54] juliux: I think the regualr one applies to us [12:55] it was a joke [12:55] :) [12:55] but we can immediately add all people that are members and in the edubuntu team already === juliux is only in one team at launchpad [12:56] i hope it doesnt get to confusing with the edubuntu/edubuntu-members we have now [12:56] ogra: edubuntu-members is a member of ubuntumembers - does that mean they automatically become ubuntu members as well? [12:56] yep [12:56] thats why we cant just add people like we did in the edubuntu team until now [12:57] kk - so CC approval is required then? [12:57] (there are many non members) [12:57] either that, or we have an opportunity to manage it ourselves [12:58] in an ECC or something [12:59] yes, I wonder if the CC would like to offload the membership vetting a bit [01:00] i think thats the plan behind it [01:00] i'm fine with that, just not with *another* meeting we have to hold [01:03] ha, indeed [01:04] the less you say in a meeting the shorter it is :) [01:04] thats true :) [01:08] ogra: +1 for NOT another meeting! [01:08] but it looks like we'll have to [01:09] i'm not sure we should mix edubuntu development status meetings with community approval [01:09] probably just keep the meeting and do every second one for community and the other one for tech/development/doc stuff [01:10] ogra: no probably not [01:10] so we'll have a two week schedule like TB/CC [01:10] and dont ahve extra meetings [01:12] ogra: makes sense [01:13] ogra: though we'll need to get them more structured and formal [01:13] haha, JaneW funny mail about the status meeting [01:13] ++ [01:13] ogra: yes, it's the first time anyone objected to me saying be there or else [01:13] we'll also need an agenda where people add stuff i fear [01:13] must be a new guy...? [01:14] seems like === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.212.70] has joined #edubuntu === Rondom [n=Rondom@84-245-182-200.ipool.celox.de] has joined #edubuntu [01:59] **Reminder** Edubuntu meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 2 minutes [01:59] **Reminder** Edubuntu cookbook meeting in #edubuntu-cookbook in 62 minutes [01:59] why dont we hold it in a logged channel btw ? [02:00] i dont think its a good idea to make it that secret ... [02:07] ogra: it's not secret [02:07] we just don;t want a lot of noise [02:07] and we didn;t book #u-m [02:08] we have adverrised it here and in the m/l [02:08] anyone is welcome [02:08] but only people who wants to be there need attend [02:08] not the dozens of wall flys who like to make disruptive comments [02:08] as we need to get some action now [02:08] and the #u-m joins and leaves get annoying === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === mhz [n=mhz_chil@moinmoin/fan/mhz] has joined #edubuntu === Rondom [n=Rondom@84.245.164.117] has joined #edubuntu [02:27] ogra: doing triage at the moment :P === JaneW hugs jsgotangco thanks :) === jinty [n=jinty@215.Red-83-49-54.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu [02:56] ogra: i will probably fork the stable about ubuntu doc for 6.06 and add the edubuntu specific features [02:56] yep [02:56] that way we could still have translations on it [02:57] it'll be just a few additional strings [02:57] and a localhost link for schooltool [02:57] can you provide me a bird's eye view of the most important features? [02:57] yep, willl do [02:57] cheers [02:57] its mostly ltsp artwork and some smaller stuff on the desktop [02:58] will make a clean list [02:58] it won't affect the doc freeze at all, the current docs already got branched but not edubuntu so its still in trunk [02:58] okay [02:58] as i said, i dont agree at all with your early docfreeze [02:58] are you still going to put in ubuntu-docs? [02:59] and i take the freedom to decide that we dont use it in edubuntu :) [02:59] that depends on the space, the server guide is invaluable, i'd love to have it [02:59] okay how are you going to put in jonathan's guide? [02:59] into edubuntu-docs [02:59] as html? [02:59] which is kind of broken currently [03:00] first step will be html to get it in quickly [03:00] well you can still point it from yelp though [03:00] if we could change it until release to be something better integrated, i'm fine [03:00] html is quick and dirty and guarantess that we'll have it in ... [03:01] indeed i'd prefer xml at the end [03:05] if its ready i can transform it quickly then just clean it up [03:05] ok have you started? [03:05] re [03:05] meeting here? === ogra quickly maks coffe [03:05] not really this isn't cookbook related [03:06] mhz, rather than in a non public non logged channel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #edubuntu [03:06] okis [03:06] just wondering [03:06] I need some coffee though because I'd like to participate on this one === janimo [n=jani@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has joined #edubuntu [03:07] so where is our fellow meeting leader ? [03:08] pygi!? [03:08] ok we'll start at 10 past [03:08] officially [03:08] since the timing collided with the other meeting a little === ogra will have to run to the baker if she comes ... [03:08] and we need a clear separation [03:08] and I like to have time for a quick monologue [03:09] :P [03:09] hi [03:09] you have the whole day [03:09] (in case it gets a long monologue) [03:09] heh [03:09] it's been so long since I SPOKE to anyone [03:11] JaneW: you dont speak to people? [03:11] Hobbsee: there's no one here [03:12] ah [03:12] although I did get a phone call earlier so I am lying [03:12] oh yes, i see [03:12] hehe [03:12] and once my children get home I wish it was silent :) [03:12] i thought you chaired a lot of the other meeting as well...which would involve plenty of speaking... [03:12] JaneW, at least you have people around you if you go outside ... guess when *i* spoke to someone in person the last time :) [03:12] that's why the sprints are nice [03:12] yeah [03:12] cso we get to talk to eachother [03:12] when would the next one be? [03:13] jsgotangco: er in June sometimes, but we have not had any meetings [03:13] Hobbsee: not so many atm === jsgotangco doubts he'll get sponspored to attend one again [03:13] JaneW: fair enough. makes #kubuntu look busy in comparison! [03:13] jsgotangco: I'll nominate you again, if I get a chance to [03:14] ok we should start [03:14] Hobbsee: yes our community is very small still [03:14] KDE had a loyal following already [03:14] a rather selective market, so yeah [03:14] we are starting from stratch [03:15] there arent *that* many school sys admins in the world... [03:15] hey, but we're still on place 68 on distrowatch ... [03:15] :) [03:15] (rising) [03:15] hehe [03:15] yeah [03:15] that's something [03:15] it cant be *that* small [03:15] congrats [03:15] ogra: yes that's steadilly agining ground [03:15] nice to see === Hobbsee has no idea what kubuntu is now [03:16] ogra: small PARTICIPATING community === Hobbsee shuts up, seeing that JaneW wanted to start the meeting :P [03:16] that is true [03:16] yep [03:16] ok let's go [03:16] ogra: sure we're a notch higher than Vine :/ [03:16] ogra: and Turbolinux [03:16] so where's the monologue === ogra gets popcorn [03:16] spacey: pygi isn't here, but you have you info don't you? [03:16] info about what? [03:17] *The*Edubuntu*Cook*Book* [03:17] whats that ? [03:17] :P [03:17] the info i have is in the wiki [03:17] JaneW: can i be an absolute pain, adn ask what that is? === JaneW takes a deep breath === Hobbsee couldnt seem to find that info in the wiki... [03:17] spacey: URL please [03:17] since the meeting gets postponed every day cyclus i didn't do anything [03:17] for everyone's reference [03:18] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToCookEdubuntu [03:18] ok question 1) Is this thing ever going to be done? === Hobbsee gets the sudden image of placing edubuntu on the bbq :P [03:18] ahh... === JaneW gets an urge to burn some books [03:18] well with this the meeting got postponed every day cyclus i have less faith in that :P [03:19] but here it is [03:19] so there is still hope [03:19] JaneW, so that was your monologue ? [03:19] if we get the things we want in there on a row [03:19] yes I appologise I have been ill [03:19] i think we can fill it in [03:19] some of the postponements were my fault [03:19] the reason nothing is written is because its not clear what should be written [03:19] ogra: no I was babbling before the meeting, that was the monologue [03:19] i couldnt attend any of the meetings before because of RL issues [03:19] i was ill too last week [03:20] spacey: I don't honestly understand that [03:20] that stuff just happens [03:20] sorry to hear you were ill too [03:20] hello guys :) [03:20] ok so we are here now [03:20] what if anything can we do [03:20] we need to establish [03:20] too bad pygi isn't here [03:20] yes [03:20] 1) Who wants to be involved [03:20] he had some mind food [03:20] 2) How much time and effort they have to contribute (and what they actually want to and can do) [03:21] oliver can i ask you something? [03:21] i am willing to write several chapters at least [03:21] 3) We have to figure out if anything can be achieved in the time avaiable with 1 & 2 [03:21] how much time is available [03:21] spacey: excellent === JaneW 's feel is that whoever wants to write must just DO IT [03:22] jup [03:22] first meeting i planned [03:22] to the best of their ability and according to what they think is required [03:22] we can do fine edits afterwards [03:22] was to pinpoint what we actually want to write [03:22] and make points per chapter what we want in there and what not [03:22] and as I keep saying once we have something, we can work with it [03:22] id like to see the structure changed a bit [03:22] maybe i'm thinking to structured [03:22] JaneW: about what are u discussing? [03:22] ok so if we can't get that out in a group meeting make an 'executive decision' [03:23] Bluekuja, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToCookEdubuntu [03:23] o [03:23] let me see [03:23] spacey: your thinking is correct, but we don;t have enough structure to support it right now [03:23] spacey: which is why I want to take the approach of 'just do it' and then fix it [03:23] so you mean like, just write parts and stick it together [03:23] nice [03:23] because it;s more likely that we'll get something out that way [03:24] and we'll allow ppl to be more creative [03:24] with a stapler [03:24] spacey YES [03:24] thats true [03:24] well there is one part done [03:24] and then we can say, ok these 2 parts don;t go great together let;s edit these 2 chapters [03:24] its called Hardware requirements [03:24] ogra: when you have some time free i have to ask you an hand [03:24] ;) [03:24] but in the mean time we are talking back and forth, but have nothing [03:24] JaneW: so we want to publish a list of chapters, and say fill it in like you want [03:24] can anyone see the logic in what I am suggesting? [03:25] Bluekuja, yes, lets do it after the meeting, sorry for being a bit unresponsive yesterday [03:25] spacey: yes [03:25] np oliver :) [03:25] so lets just generate a list of topics [03:25] and fill every topic with content [03:25] yes ok [03:25] you had a chapter layout [03:25] yeah [03:25] is everyone happy with that? [03:26] nope [03:26] is https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuCookbook the same thing? [03:26] ogra had suggestions for changes...? [03:26] i wasn't really happy with it myself [03:26] it needs discussion [03:26] i'd like to flip workstation and default install in that structure [03:26] ok let's do that [03:26] it was on e-mail [03:26] is it in the wiki too? [03:26] yeh [03:26] bimberi: that was my original document for 5.10 but no one helped me so... [03:26] JaneW: i think the wiki one is outdated [03:26] compared to the email one [03:26] pygi send some chapter layouts around [03:26] yeah that's the one i started before [03:26] sent [03:26] spacey: can you quickly update? [03:26] jsgotangco: ah kk :| [03:27] spacey: then we can edit right now [03:27] jsgotangco: we promise to help now [03:27] i can copy paste from the email [03:27] let me look [03:27] tee hee [03:27] don't give up [03:27] spacey: ty [03:27] JaneW: I could still look into svn for the early work i did and use it [03:28] but i cannot promise to help out on the cookbook now [03:28] jsgotangco: it may still be relevant, so yes please! === jsgotangco looks at early revisions from svn [03:28] jsgotangco: understood, I know you are busy === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #edubuntu [03:29] hi mgalvin [03:29] wow we have the elite of the docteam here now :) [03:29] *stage whisper* plus if we could get mgalvin to make some edubuntu feature tours... [03:29] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToCookEdubuntu/Chapters#preview [03:29] ogra: we can probably use this instead https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuQuickguide/IntroductionToEdubuntu [03:29] if we'd have approval for the artwork finally, yes :/ [03:29] top of that wikipage [03:30] hi all! [03:30] spacey: thanks [03:30] jsgotangco, yeah, looks very good [03:30] jsgotangco: will that have screenshots? === mgalvin point everyone to the start of https://wiki.edubuntu.com/EdubuntuDapperBeta [03:31] JaneW, the ff startpage ? [03:31] ogra: yes [03:31] just the edubuntu CSS if we're still going to use the red thing [03:31] bakertime brb [03:32] wow now i read that thing i wrote a few months ago, i seem to like it [03:32] mgalvin: oooh cool, thanks! [03:33] JaneW: I see logic but I am still thinking if I can do anything (commitment, I mean) [03:33] mhz: come on it could launch your writing career [03:34] ogra: if you want different chapterlayout or something please edit the wiki [03:34] can everyone take a look at it and comment as they see fit please? [03:35] spacey: what happened to the table that people can put their names against [03:35] it will be pointless if 10 ppl all do the introduction [03:35] so we should see who is working on what [03:36] yeah [03:36] sorry brb [03:36] re === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has left #edubuntu ["Bye!] [03:38] i am going to try and make sure all the derivs have a beta tour... so i have a quick request... [03:39] shoot [03:39] mgalvin: all ears [03:40] pay him === jsgotangco hides [03:40] haha [03:40] i'd love to ... but mark didnt adopt me yet [03:40] since edubuntu is based on GNOME i know what features are there but i don't follow all the edubuntu dev so might there be a list of features i could reference or... [03:40] could someone possibly help me come up with just such a list [03:40] yeah that'll be useful too for the about edubuntu page [03:40] mgalvin, i just agreed to make a featurelist [03:41] i'll put you on CC [03:41] sorry, have some RL drama here === JaneW points at ogra [03:41] :( [03:41] spacey: you ok? [03:41] oh, ok sweet! [03:41] ogra: cc me too please [03:41] will do [03:41] ogra: I battle to keep up :) [03:41] :) [03:43] ok the cookbook is doomed [03:43] is it ? [03:43] well Pygi couldn't get here and now spacey is away too [03:43] true [03:43] although I stand by what I said earlier [03:44] anyone who is interested should just dive in and do a section which interests them as they see fit [03:44] in the mean time highvoltage's doc rocks and we should use it [03:44] yep [03:44]