=== sfeehan [n=sfeehan@egress.sbb.uvm.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === aimaz [n=stephen@i-83-67-17-205.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jlj [n=agp@207.67.194.249] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chris38-home [n=Christia@mut38-4-82-233-119-151.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chris38-home3 [n=Christia@mut38-4-82-233-119-151.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Surak [n=ubuntu@20132205140.user.veloxzone.com.br] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === dborg`` [n=daniel@e182058051.adsl.alicedsl.de] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] === GmanZZZ is now known as Gman === chris38-home2 [n=Christia@mut38-4-82-233-119-151.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Aegir [n=richard@d58-105-36-34.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === womble [n=mpalmer@106.135.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-209-217-124-104.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TomB| [n=ownthebo@ACD8ADD2.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jinty [n=jinty@215.Red-83-49-54.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kyral [n=kyral@HyperDream.hamlin.clarkson.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _human_blip_ [n=mike@220.157.65.181] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:17] omg [01:18] who messed with the defaut background? [01:18] what's happened to it? [01:18] it's so funny - let's wait or all mailinglist people to get upset again [01:18] mdke, someone painted in it [01:19] screenie? [01:20] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12055 [01:21] hmm [01:21] hmm, indeed [01:21] i bet it's "joker" holbach [01:21] might be nice to have a lighter background by default [01:22] I like a dark one myself, I've been using dapper.png, very nice [01:22] I had one person descibe the current breezy background as "diving down an endless void: [01:22] " [01:23] Seveas, what is that orange bar thing that the top? [01:24] Burgwork, the new netstatus applet icon [01:24] pretty fugly [01:24] but a better one has been promised [01:24] haha [01:24] Seveas, I haven't had a netherlandish translation of the browser start page, if you fancy the task [01:24] somebody has already complained on ubuntu-devel [01:25] lol [01:25] mdke, just replied to your loco-contacts mail [01:25] Burgwork: are you at all surprised? === FunnyLookinHat [n=FunnyLoo@71.57.11.218] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:25] it's quite a sensible complaint [01:25] ajmitch, at this point, never [01:25] Seveas, ah cool [01:26] good thing the final artwork will be in by the Beta release [01:26] jordi, do you happen to be around ? === jcole [n=jcole@palrel2.hp.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:31] anybody here with a powerpc on dapper who has flickering GL screensavers and would like to test a fix ? [01:31] (got no other machine around to build a testpackage, sorry) === Kyral [n=kyral@HyperDream.hamlin.clarkson.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:32] LaserJock, do you just have Mactel? [01:32] ogra: I can test it from source if you have a debdiff [01:33] Burgwork: yes, for mac [01:33] LaserJock, ah === LaserJock has never touched a ppc ;-) [01:34] my ex has one, but I doubt she would let be put Ubuntu on it [01:34] sladen, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/gss/ [01:34] there is the source ... [01:34] at least she's not your ex-, because you *did* [01:35] sladen, got one of those, do you? === theCore [n=alex@toronto-HSE-ppp4206080.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kyral [n=kyral@HyperDream.hamlin.clarkson.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === comfrey [n=comfrey@h-64-105-215-74.sttnwaho.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:42] Burgwork, that's a yes [01:42] night all === bronson [n=bronson@pool-68-160-56-174.bos.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:05] cya mdke [02:07] ogra: the patch is a bit hackish, but it works. Shall I upload it? [02:08] can you add the "closes malone blah" ? [02:08] else, sure, lets get that out asap :) [02:10] i'm happy it circumvents the adding of a GL dependency to gss === tritium [n=tritium@ubuntu/member/tritium] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.36] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-devel === holycow [n=a@mail.wjsgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Toadstool is now known as ToadZzZztool [02:29] bddebian: ygraph is FTBFS on all arches -- https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ygraph/0.15-2ubuntu1 === jcole [n=jcole@palrel2.hp.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-209-217-99-43.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jvw [i=jeroen@220pc220.sshunet.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:58] is booting from lvm supported these days ? [02:59] ... with grub ? [03:02] lifeless: not that I'm aware of === slomo__ [n=slomo@p5486F851.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:05] ajmitch: shame. thanks [03:07] lifeless: No. Definitely not. === OrionUser [n=terlmann@207.254.166-wireless-50.ckt.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:08] does ubuntu support Via chipsets? [03:09] ... yes, and this is the wrong place to ask [03:09] try #ubuntu [03:09] i know.... but... [03:10] dude, if they don't know all, you will!!! [03:10] a) it's a stupid question, via are one of the most popular chipset manufacturers [03:10] OrionUser: if you try to turn this channel into #ubuntu, the developers will just move important discussion elsewhere [03:10] Yes, and if every user decides their question is so important they they need to ask the developers directly, we'd never have time to develop a distro for you. [03:11] b) you should try it first, then ask [03:11] ok ok [03:11] c) you should at the very least ask #ubuntu first [03:12] (you , discuss important stuff, ill try not to comment) === OrionUser [n=terlmann@207.254.166-wireless-50.ckt.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Guess] [03:12] Anyone know if apt-get is multi-threaded? [03:13] dAndy: Context? [03:14] orionuser: and if it didn't work, file a bug report... [03:14] dAndy: It can download from multiple sources at once, which is about all the multi-anything you would ever want it to do. [03:15] infinity: I tried to strace it (I am getting "connection reset by peer" from my mirror, and am trying to figure out whos fault it is) [03:15] infinity: the strace seemed... odd at best [03:15] You probably want strace -f [03:16] I suspect the download processes are forked children. [03:16] Though just a guess, you'd have to look at the code, or ask mvo to be sure. [03:16] ah ok cool, that will probably do it === dAndy also notes that in the trace I just got, apt did gettimeofday() more than 23000 times, that seems odd [03:17] What? You've never sat there nervously checking your watch over and over again before? :) [03:18] heh, I guess [03:18] dAndy: it has to update the spinner.... :) === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.212.70] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:24] ugh... strace -f makes it both better and worse, this is confusing, it appears to use pipes to communicate to the children or something === _human_blip_ [n=mike@mike.nelsonbay.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:27] hmm, fantastic, as far as I can tell from the trace, it never actuall sends a GET for the package that failed [03:30] dAndy: Well, it won't send a GET if it can't connect.. [03:33] mjg59: question re: your comment on bug 35174. by 'next kernel update' do you mean ubuntu packaging of 2.6.15-21, or do you mean upstream 2.6.17 in kernel? [03:33] Malone bug 35174 in acpi-support "ThinkPad X60 cannot resume from sleep/hibernate" [Normal,Needs info] http://launchpad.net/bugs/35174 [03:38] infinity: the webserver receives the GET, sends the file and closes the connection normally [03:41] ogra: I got that patch down from 208kB to 10kB and nuked most of the automake bollocks [03:45] mroth: 2.6.15-21 === Kyral [n=kyral@HyperDream.hamlin.clarkson.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [n=scott@quest.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:51] mjg59: i was hoping thats what you meant ;-) [03:51] mjg59: anything you want me to test from kernel-source prior to that point to help catch stuff early? [03:52] mroth: If you're happy building kernels, I have a couple of patches [03:53] mjg59: i wouldnt say I'm HAPPY doing it, but i can probably muddle through [03:53] mroth: Grab the files from http://www.codon.org.uk/~mjg59/tmp/sata [03:53] The patch applies against 2.6.15-20, the .c file gets copied into drivers/scsi === _human_blip_ [n=mike@mike.nelsonbay.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:59] mjg59: i assume the patch should only affect hibernate, not the 'sleep' problem [04:00] mroth: No, should help sleep [04:00] I suspect hibernate problems at this point are probably X being unhappy, which is kind of hard to fix with the vesa driver [04:01] But we'll see [04:02] this compile will be the first processor intensive thing i've done on that machine, time to test out the core duo and see if it lives up to the hype [04:04] mjg59: that reminds me, how is the Intel mac work going? [04:05] mjg59: http://people.ubuntu.com/~jdub/2006/ubuntu-zh.png [04:05] LaserJock: About as far as it can get until we can produce HFS+ filesystems [04:05] That is, stuff works (including the installer), but there's no way to boot it... [04:05] infinity: OK, I'll check it out, thanks [04:06] jdub: Very disturbing [04:06] Anyway === mjg59 goes to get dinner [04:06] mjg59: dinner?! what country are you in? [04:06] jdub: nice [04:06] mjg59: ok, thanks for the update [04:07] jdub: doesn't Malcolm look decadent [04:07] infinity: Fixed ivtools yet? === bddebian hides [04:10] Uhm, WTF is that === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.4.130.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:33] infinity: There? [04:34] Ish. On an international call. [04:35] I think ygraph just needs an autoreconf, etc. How do I do that properly for a package? [04:39] mjg59: my kernel compile was aborted on /usb/net/zd1211/zddevlist.h for some reason [04:39] since my assumption is the kernel-source package woudl compile cleanly with no changes made to the config, is this perhaps related to that patch you sent? === mhz [n=mhz_chil@moinmoin/fan/mhz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === terl [n=terlmann@207.254.166-wireless-50.ckt.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:52] finally! I Have Ubuntu(and Im emulating it in Vmware player on windows!) [04:56] Uhm, shouldn't that be the other way around? :-) === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === truz24 [n=truz24@12-203-70-118.client.insightBB.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi [n=wasabi@c-67-166-206-241.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:31] hrmm === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === otavio is now known as otavio[off] === lifeless [n=robertc@dsl-43.1.240.220.rns01-kent-syd.dsl.comindico.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sladen hands otavio[off] an /away === nomed [n=nomed@host146-163.pool8258.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nomed [n=nomed@host146-163.pool8258.interbusiness.it] has left #ubuntu-devel ["/etc/init.d/nomed] === bronson [n=bronson@pool-68-160-56-174.bos.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hwyvar [n=Ferdinan@cp106356-c.tilbu1.nb.home.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:08] aaaahhh [06:08] infinity or fabbione: ping? === Marticus [n=demart01@12-208-16-9.client.insightBB.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:11] pong. [06:13] x11proto-gl-dev replaced xlibmesa-gl-dev? [06:14] what's that word where something is guaranteed to never occur? [06:15] assertion! === bddebian kills himself [06:19] Noooooo [06:22] bddebian: No, no, no. [06:22] bddebian: You want libgl1-mesa-dev [06:23] bddebian: x11proto-gl-dev is just the wire protocol, has nothing to do with the GL libraries. [06:23] I have that but it doesn't give GL/GLwMDrawA.h that xlibmesa-gl-dev provided afaict === Huahua [n=hua_@221.172.50.7] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:25] Is that in x11proto-gl-dev? [06:26] If so, I suspect libgl1-mesa-dev should be depending on the wire protocol headers, but isn't. [06:26] No, but apt-getting xlibmeas-gl-dev said x11proto-gl-dev replaces it :-) [06:26] You don't understand what "Replaces" means, then. [06:26] (It means A overwrites some files from B, nothing more) [06:27] Anyhow, we had no xlibmeas-gl-dev in breezy either, so you're pretty seriously out of date. :) [06:28] Well I knew that but I'm getting all fscking confused.. :'-( [06:28] Right, well, we shipped no GLwMDrawA.h in breezy at all, and most likely don't in dapper either. [06:29] Whether or not that's a bug, I still need to decide. [06:29] It might not be but xmakemol is looking for it :-( [06:30] Well, we don't ship libGLw at all, so I can't see what good the headers would do. [06:31] Do you care that you are going to make me cry? ;-P [06:31] Oh, wait. Hold on. [06:32] No, we really don't. [06:32] Yay for us. [06:32] excellent [06:33] When we did, we only shipped it as a static lib. [06:33] how evil [06:33] So, xmakemol was linking statically to libGLw.a, or it includes the header but then doesn't use it. Which one is it? [06:33] I'd rather not reintroduce static-only libraries if we don't have to. [06:34] I think it's BS in xmakemol, but I'm not sure yet. Here's the line of code: [06:34] /* aro - might not be necessary if using mesa+linux */ [06:34] #ifdef GL [06:34] #include /* OpenGL drawing area widget */ [06:34] #endif /* GL */ [06:34] Easy enough to find out. Remove that, compile it, see if it links, then see if it runs. [06:35] Yeah, I haven't gotten that far yet [06:36] If you really need it, I can turn it back on, but I'd really rather not. [06:37] Well I don't "need" it, I'm just trying to bugfix. :-) [06:37] infinity: while you're around, where did /proc/bus/pnp go? [06:38] can somebody please explain to me #24817? [06:38] sladen: replaced by /sys/bus/pnp ? [06:38] how do i select "share"? [06:38] sladen: in general, /proc/bus/ANYTHING is bad and should go and die now [06:38] sladen: Like I know. I don't even have any ISA cards. But listen to Keybuk. :) [06:38] Keybuk: /sys/bus/pnp is a bit empty [06:38] in fact, if you're using /proc/[^0-9] you'll probably get a shock in the upcoming kernel releases === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:39] sladen: update your kernel [06:39] sladen: mjg59 broke it because he wants the whole world to use mactel [06:39] never mind [06:39] (kernel pnp subsystem broken by pnp acpi changes) [06:39] infinity: yes you do [06:39] Keybuk: nice of him. feh. [06:39] infinity: there's one sitting on your southbridge, taunting you [06:39] sladen: is fixed in current dapper [06:40] infinity: you have tonnages of pnp. try on 'lspnp', oops that won't work [06:40] Keybuk: Okay, okay, I like to pretend the legacy ports don't exist. === sladen watches the pretty pink piggies flying over head [06:40] sladen: I'm sure I saw a version of lspnp that had been updated somewhere === calamari [i=calamari@ip68-105-135-51.tc.ph.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:46] hi [06:46] calamari: hi. very nice of you to pop in. the weather is wonderful don't you think, perhaps we could have a picnic [06:47] sladen: hehe, kinda dark out, maybe tomorrow? === bddebian subliminally suggests ivtools to infinity and hauls his antique ass to bed [06:48] Gnight folks === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:52] Hmm, well apparently xmakemol really wants that stupid header.. [06:52] ../xmakemol.c: In function main: [06:52] ../xmakemol.c:219: error: glwMDrawingAreaWidgetClass undeclared (first use in this function) [06:52] Now I'm REALLY going to bed.. [06:55] infinity: do you happen to know what's the gnome package that procides the "Share Folders" menu in System -> Admin === bronson_ZZz [n=bronson@pool-68-160-56-174.bos.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:58] fabbione: system-tools-backends [06:58] mroth: Ah. Install gawk and delete that file, then retry the build [06:58] (stupid zd1211) [06:58] Keybuk: US [06:58] infinity: thanks [06:59] sladen: Uh, yes. pnp has lived in sysfs for a while. cat /sys/bus/pnp/*/id === Aegir [n=richard@C1480153.wl148.flinders.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:59] mjg59: what you doing over there? [06:59] sladen: Sorry, cat /sys/bus/pnp/devices/*/id [06:59] Keybuk: Linux power management summit [07:00] mjg59: fun? [07:00] Keybuk: Starts in the morning [07:00] I currently think it's 6AM and all my joints ache from being stuck in economy for 11 hours [07:01] mjg59: doing that lists 1 device. and not the other 20 [07:01] mjg59: where in the US are you? [07:02] sladen: Without knowing what hardware you have, I'm afraid I can't really comment further [07:02] sladen: (And no, the change isn't anything to do with me) [07:02] Burgundavia: Santa Clara [07:02] hmm, California [07:02] It's damn wet here [07:04] heh [07:04] mjg59: wrong end of the country. if you wind up at the other side, appreciation for your laptop work will be demonstrated in beer form. [07:05] neuralis: Probably not for a year at least, but noted :) === bronson_ZZz [n=bronson@pool-68-160-56-174.bos.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rajasun [n=maximusp@bb220-255-207-70.singnet.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j^ [n=j@e178037007.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B0A92.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:33] good morning === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman is now known as GmanAFK === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:55] hmm, Fedora is not planning a single install cd, nor resizing in the isntaller === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:59] Good morning [08:00] heya pitti! [08:01] hi dholbah [08:01] and dholbach, too :) [08:01] :-) [08:01] morning berpitti and dhugbach === dholbach hugs Keybuk === Keybuk hugs back === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:05] hey Keybuk === pitti hugs Keybuk === ToadZzZztool is now known as Toadstool === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _human_blip_ [n=mike@220.157.65.181] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:15] pitti: you saw that I fixed a belocs-locales-bin bug, yes? [08:15] womble: ping? === wjb [n=warren@c220-237-176-23.lowrp1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk hugs pitti [08:17] I still haven't fixed my bugs :-( [08:25] womble: unping === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:30] lamont: yes, I read it on -changes [08:31] Keybuk: do you hope to ever fix them all? :) [08:32] pitti: yes. all the bugs. [08:33] all bugs will be fixed [08:33] By Order [08:34] <_ion> Beginning with #1? [08:34] <_ion> That would be nice. [08:34] Keybuk: it would be interesting to see if the process of bug fixing converges to 'bug free' in infinite time :) [08:34] so far we seem to get more bugs than we fix [08:35] we should request for LP to have a nice graph of bugs versus time to see how good/bad we are doing [08:35] pitti: 100+ a day [08:35] new, that is [08:36] SHIT KEEPS FALLING! === pinguin_os [n=pinguino@modemcable131.35-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:36] Burgundavia: we have actually ~300 less open bugs than 2 weeks ago. === robitaille blames it on too much bug triage :) [08:37] far far too much [08:37] we are trying to pass the 10k mark [08:37] robitaille: that request was put in months ago :) [08:38] bug #2633 [08:38] Malone bug 2633 in malone "Graphing & reporting of bug activity" [Wishlist,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/2633 === bmon [n=monnahan@176.Red-83-36-130.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:39] anyone knows if there is a way to find the exact version of a Daily Live CD after it has been burned? [08:39] <_ion> keybuk: SHIT = SHIT_0 + v_0 t + g t [08:39] md5sum [08:40] C6H12O6(s) + 6O2(g) -> 6CO2(g) + 6H2O(g) === _ion totally forgot that Unicode also contains a subscript zero: [08:41] <_ion> No need for LaTeXish markup in that case. [08:41] ajmitch: thanks. nice to see that it has already been requested [08:41] hmm [08:41] ooh [08:42] CHO(s) + 6O(g) -> 6CO(g) + 6HO(g) [08:42] almost prettier [08:43] CHO(s) + 6O(g) 6CO(g) + 6HO(g) [08:43] :p [08:43] <_ion> :-) [08:44] but can anyone guess what it is? [08:44] <_ion> Alcohol? :-) [08:44] _ion: no, that's C2H5OH [08:44] not even close [08:44] Keybuk: is it a Benzol ring or a straight molecule? [08:45] pitti: nope, the should give you a clue you're looking at some kind of change [08:45] Keybuk: well, you burn something, of course [08:45] Keybuk: I wondered about what CHO is === j^ [n=j@e178037007.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:46] Keybuk: could be 'Glucose' (that's the word we use in .de) [08:46] starts with an 'r' [08:46] pitti: malone #39246 [08:46] Malone bug 39246 in language-pack-kde-zh-base "kdelevop3's mo missed in language-pack-kde-zh-base" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/39246 [08:46] yup [08:46] chemical burning of glucose [08:47] or, to be more poetic, an explosion in a custard factory :) [08:47] Keybuk: or, less poetic, the process in your body cells :) [08:47] indeed [08:48] (sure, it's slightly more complicated than that, but the final result should be that) [08:48] crimsun: 'r'? [08:49] Keybuk: I'm puzzled by your last sysvinit upload. Or I'm misreading the changelog.. [08:49] infinity: what puzzles you? [08:49] pitti: aerobic respiration [08:49] oh [08:49] heh [08:49] crimsun: ah :) [08:49] I can see what might puzzle you [08:49] Keybuk: Are you actually mounting /var/{run,lock} elsehwere, or is this just some "move them somwhere during maintainer scripts" hack? === mdke_ [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:49] during the "LOOK OVER THERE!" hack [08:49] Ahh, kay. Fair. [08:49] the one during the boot when we might be mounting /var anyway [08:50] /tmp wasn't a good enough playground? [08:50] it upset people with NFS roots that 30 thin clients were all trying to make and remove the /.var.run directory at the same time [08:50] /tmp could be mounted in mountall as a tmpfs [08:50] <_ion> Hehe. http://politics.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=182776&cid=15106712 [08:50] I get the kinds of corner cases that Escher dreamed abouyt [08:51] freeflying: so, you mean that kdevelop.mo is wrong, it should be kdevelop3.mo? [08:51] "Hey! I know I parked that mount here somewhere, WHERE'S IT GONE?" [08:51] Keybuk: And it the user has no devshm? Are you explicitely mounting it yourself? [08:51] pitti: ya [08:51] infinity: explicitly mounted in mountdevsubfs === marilize [n=marilize@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:52] of course, I can't just use /dev because they might have removed udev (well, they miiiight) [08:52] freeflying: hmm, but that's the domain that kde-i18n-* has [08:53] freeflying: so it seems that this is a kde-i18n-* bug, will reassign [08:53] pitti: heh, thx [08:53] Keybuk: Yeah, but that's not the same script that mounts your stuff. And init scripts are conffiles. So, I could rightly say "I don't want no devshm in mountdevsubfs" and then somehow break your var{run,lock} hacks. [08:54] infinity: those people are idiots [08:54] Keybuk: And it's certainly not obvious to me that disabling the former breaks the latter. [08:54] Keybuk: It's not intuitive that "not mountind /dev/shm leads to /var/{run,lock} not working" [08:54] Keybuk: So I'm not sure we can label them idiots for it. [08:54] the directory has to exist for half the system to work ;) [08:54] at least those bits using shared memory [08:55] if it's not mounted, it'd still work [08:55] it just happens to be a conveninent probably-a-tmpfs [08:55] erm, since when there's no 'Subscribe' item on a Malone bug page any more??? [08:56] Keybuk: Then you should at least make sure the directory is there, if you intend to use it. [08:56] pitti: if you're already subscribed === pinguin_os [n=pinguino@modemcable131.35-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [08:56] ah, heh, true; thanks, Keybuk [08:57] infinity: tbh, I don't think I care about this particular case that much :D [08:57] "user edits system startup script and gets broken startup" [08:57] that would go in the great big REJECTED! bin in the sky :p === infinity shrugs. [08:57] But I have the RIGHT to edit those scripts! They're in /etc! [08:57] I've not noticed /dev/shm being all that frequently (or at all) used, despite claims it's required. [08:58] But SysV shared memory is much more common than POSIX shared memory. [08:58] infinity: it isn't that frequently used [08:58] Treenaks: yes, and you get to keep both parts when you break it :P [09:01] You see a maze of Makefiles, all alike. [09:01] Your head explodes. === infinity shakes his head. [09:02] Hacking Mozilla (well, Thunderbird today) sources always makes me whimper. [09:04] infinity: giggle [09:04] want something funny? [09:04] comment out that /dev/shm line [09:04] boot [09:04] and your computer will still think /dev/shm is mounted anyway [09:04] yay /etc/mtab being utterly unrelated to /proc/mounts [09:06] yes [09:06] that's the most retarded thing ever. [09:06] well... ok, it's not, but it's still stupid [09:07] why /etc/mtab can't be a symlink to /proc/mounts or something similar [09:07] It is on many people's systems. :) [09:08] HrdwrBoB: /proc/mounts doesn't have some random piece of information someone cares about [09:08] I can't remember what though [09:10] heh, seems to be MORE in mounts [09:10] screek:/home/matt/files /home/matt/movies/downloads nfs rw,addr=203.10.72.160 0 0 [09:10] screek:/home/matt/files /home/matt/movies/downloads nfs rw,v3,rsize=32768,wsize=32768,hard,lock,proto=udp,addr=screek 0 0 [09:10] mounts appears to be missing the user=scott bit from my removable-disk mount [09:10] though mounts has extra crap and it has / as just 'rootfs' because of the pivot [09:10] pitti would know about that [09:11] but the basic gist is, why the hell is mtab an editable real file [09:11] HrdwrBoB: heh, I thought the only bit of extra crap was /dev/.static/dev and /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc ? [09:12] what's wrong with this picture? [09:12] HrdwrBoB: the last time I tried the symlink, it broke gnome-vfs or so, but I don't remember any more [09:12] (gdb) break apply_blacklist [09:12] Breakpoint 2 at 0x4032f5: file ../modprobe.c, line 720. [09:12] (gdb) run -v -n --first-time pnp:dPNP0800 [09:12] Starting program: /home/scott/work/ubuntu/module-init-tools/module-init-tools-3.2.2/build-tree/module-init-tools-3.2.2/obj/modprobe -v -n --first-time pnp:dPNP0800 [09:12] insmod /lib/modules/2.6.15-20-amd64-k8/kernel/drivers/input/misc/pcspkr.ko [09:12] Program exited normally. [09:12] Keybuk: heh, blacklisting isn't called at all? :) [09:12] pitti: indeed [09:12] morning === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:13] Keybuk: that's a function I greatly miss in gdb, too: 'Show me why this function was never called' :) [09:13] hi sivang === sivang hugs pitti [09:13] mornign Keybuk [09:14] pitti: wouldn't it be great [09:14] it's probably vaguely possible if you turned on coverage actually [09:14] then it shows you the flow-path through your program [09:15] Keybuk: well, but it still sounds like 'explain_bug' :) [09:15] oh wow [09:15] modprobe ignores blacklist for aliases in config files [09:15] why the bollocks does it do that? === calamari [i=calamari@ip68-105-135-51.tc.ph.cox.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === carlos [n=carlos@84.Red-81-34-76.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === olemke [n=olemke@iup.physik.uni-bremen.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TMM [n=hp@ip5650d1ab.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@p54A67D29.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-101-223.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:43] ogra: hrm, I don't have the ppc here === bmon [n=monnahan@50.Red-83-45-127.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lbm [n=lbm@x1-6-00-13-10-7a-d1-e4.k233.webspeed.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bmon [n=monnahan@50.Red-83-45-127.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-68-200-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:48] W T H [09:48] who did automatically replace my custom desktop background???? === fabbione starts waving his max size cluebat === _ion whistles while looking innocent. [09:49] fabbione: I was just as shocked [09:49] fabbione: it's called "branding" === fabbione wants somebody's head seved on a silver dish [09:49] Treenaks: branding? :) [09:49] so that's how they call it these days... [09:50] Treenaks: wrong.. that's NOT respecting user setting.. it's a bug... [09:50] sivang: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brand === pitti restarts session to find out whether it happens to him, too [09:51] Treenaks: I thought we already has a brand name, no? :) [09:51] sivang: A name, sure.. but you need to SHOW it, and the logo, to build a brand! === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:51] Treenaks: hehe [09:51] fabbione: hm, I got a new splash screen, but my background stayed as it was [09:52] pitti: my bg was replaced while upgrading to dapper as 10 minutes ago [09:52] pitti: I got a new splash screen and a new bg === _ion takes a look at his ion3 background... Still the same color. :-) [09:53] G'day. Can anyone here reproduce Bug #38060 , it sure would be nice to print in dapper. [09:53] Malone bug 38060 in gs-esp "es-gsp crashes on various input causing a faliure to print" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/38060 [09:53] the file was replaced, ubuntu-artwork- is not done yet === towolf [n=towolf@pD9FCA94F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:56] salve, against which pkg should i file a bug about my internal modem and usb mouse being dead after resuming from sleep? [09:57] towolf: linux-source-2.6.15 if you are running dapper [09:57] fabbione: wait, i'm seeing two bugs already about the dead mouse [09:58] fabbione: but i can revive the modem by restarting /e/i/sl-modem-daemon. should that be acpi-support instead?+ [09:58] towolf: mostlikely yes [09:58] towolf: oh, I get the dead mouse after hibernate as well [09:59] pitti: do you use evdev? [09:59] towolf: that module is loaded, yes [10:00] pitti: i think you have to voluntarily actiate it in xorg.conf: "driver" "evdev" [10:00] oh man, http://hardware.slashdot.org/hardware/06/04/11/1655257.shtml [10:00] ah, bug #34066 [10:00] Malone bug 34066 in linux-source-2.6.15 "usb mouse dead on resume" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/34066 [10:00] Burn your pentiums! [10:00] towolf: that worked fine in breezy... [10:00] Treenaks: yeah , scary [10:03] sivang: that has been available since the i386. SMM is just the new name for the unreal mode bug that has been kept for compatibility reasons. [10:04] Yagisan: what do you mean 'unreal mode' ? [10:04] sivang: you would already need ribg-0 access to "exploit" it anyway [10:04] sivang: real mode + 4GB segments [10:04] sivang: also called flat real mode [10:04] unreal mode is cool :) === Treenaks pets his macro assembler [10:05] s/ribg-0/ring-0 [10:05] hmm, would it be useful to have Mailman set Mail-Followup-To on sounder and ubuntu-devel if it wasn't set by the poster already? [10:05] Yagisan: ah === sabdfl [n=mark@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [10:06]