[01:25] <LaserJock> does Dapper resize NTFS to make room when installing?
[01:26] <mdke> I believe so
[01:26] <mdke> hoary and breezy did it, iirc, so it would be a pretty bad regression
[01:26] <LaserJock> ok, well my little brother called last night and said he wanted to install linux
[01:27] <LaserJock> and it has been so long since I dual booted windows and linux that I didn't know
[01:27] <mdke> a great moment
[01:27] <LaserJock> I had him download the Flight6 live cd
[01:33] <Burgwork> guess I should pony up a en_CA, eh?
[01:34] <LaserJock> heh, I  was thinking some en_US translation would up his LP karam
[01:34] <LaserJock> /his/mine/
[01:34] <Burgwork> LaserJock, talking about yourself in the third person now? going to be declaring yourself king soon and invading California?
[01:35] <LaserJock> heh, no I've been to  California
[01:35] <mdke> Burgwork, firefox isn't localised for en_CA, so it wouldn't work. For some godforsaken reason, it is localised in en_GB
[01:35] <LaserJock> I don't want to be king there
[01:37] <Burgwork> Madpilot has promised to buy me a Darwin Fish tie pin to wear to my demos
[03:13] <theCore> LaserJock: hi
[03:14] <LaserJock> hi theCore 
[03:16] <theCore> LaserJock: is there anything left to be done for the Packaging Guide, or we need to wait for the release of Dapper?
[03:16] <LaserJock> well, right now I'm waiting for one more diff to be sent to me and then  I'll wrap it up
[03:17] <LaserJock> but the svn repo has been branched so we can start working on Dapper+1
[03:17] <theCore> oh, ok then
[03:18] <theCore> I think I found my first package to package ;)
[03:18] <theCore> I will give the Packaging Guide a test run
[03:20] <theCore> I planning to add some SVN stuff into the PG, for packages under development
[03:22] <theCore> and probably some info about SCons, and other esoteric building system
[03:23] <LaserJock> heh, well go ahead and write it up
[03:28] <LaserJock> theCore: you want an interesting packaging assignment?
[03:28] <theCore> yes
[03:28] <LaserJock> I think it would be good to include piuparts 
[03:30] <theCore> LaserJock: What is the section that talk about taking Debian packages, and modify it for Ubuntu?
[03:30] <theCore> Merge and Sync?
[03:31] <LaserJock> yeah
[03:32] <theCore> I think the name should be changed to a more explicit one
[03:33] <LaserJock> probably, I can't think of anything off the top of my head though
[03:34] <theCore> but, I can't think of one too, so maybe it's the most explicit for describing that
[03:36] <theCore> making the first phrase of that section explicit would fix the ``problem''
[03:38] <theCore> like ``Merges is the process of taking a Debian package to the Ubuntu reposistory"
[03:39] <LaserJock> well, we do that, it just takes a bit of explination
[03:39] <theCore> did I got the right definition?
[03:40] <theCore> or this is the Sync definition?
[03:42] <LaserJock> well, it actuall describes both :-)
[03:43] <theCore> eh :)
[03:43] <LaserJock> the difference is that sync takes the Debian package directly and a merge means the Debian package needs to be "adjusted" by Ubuntu
[03:44] <theCore> oh, then I'm doing a sync right now
[03:45] <theCore> which is better lintian or linda ?
[03:46] <theCore> linda seem to have more features than lintian 
[03:50] <LaserJock> well,  to be honest I haven't seen linda catch anything
[03:50] <LaserJock> lintian is what I've always used but you could try both and see what you think
[03:51] <LaserJock> I might try out linda again and see if I'm missing something
[03:56] <theCore> LaserJock: should we have a separate section for Packaging Tools and Building Tools
[03:56] <LaserJock> yes, I think so. We just need to gather a list of tools and figure out which ones to use, etc.
[03:57] <LaserJock> I really don't want to make the Guide any bigger than it needs to be. I think it should be complete, but not bloated up with *every* possible tool
[03:57] <theCore> that's not hard
[03:57] <theCore> yeah
[03:58] <LaserJock> theCore: do you have a minute to clean up the wiki page?
[03:58] <LaserJock> wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuPackagingGuide
[03:58] <LaserJock> I haven't touched it for a while
[03:58] <theCore> LaserJock: ok, II was thinking about it
[03:59] <theCore> s/II/I/
[04:00] <LaserJock> k, and then start adding material you want to see for Dapper+1
[04:08] <theCore> LaserJock: what is the wiki names of the others contributors?
[04:08] <theCore> and should I remove CoreyBurger2 from the contributor line?
[04:09] <theCore> that guy seem to add his name everywhere ;)
[04:09] <LaserJock> theCore: actually I don't know
[04:10] <theCore> ok, I will leave it there
[04:10] <LaserJock> I really don't know if it was there for a reason, or what
[04:12] <theCore> maybe he contributed to the first version, or he made the Wiki page
[04:13] <LaserJock> I think he made the page
[04:14] <theCore> who read this page?
[04:14] <LaserJock> us, I guess
[04:15] <LaserJock> originally it was spec to get approved for UDU I think
[04:15] <LaserJock> actually UBZ I think
[04:17] <LaserJock> theCore: here it is on launchpad https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntu-packaging-guide
[04:18] <theCore> "The Ubuntu Packaging guide needs a home and the Ubuntu doc team can provide that", we are really ought to change that.
[04:20] <theCore> LaserJock: do you have the permission to change that?
[04:21] <LaserJock> well, that was the spec, and it is marked implemented. I think it is alright the way it is
[04:21] <theCore> ok, then
[04:22] <theCore> LaserJock: should I remove the section we didn't made from the PG?
[04:23] <theCore> like Target Audience
[04:25] <LaserJock> yes, first make it what it is now and then add in stuff you would like to see
[04:27] <crimsun> basic.xml is a bit unwieldy; it's _huge_ compared to the others.
[04:27] <theCore> LaserJock: ok, that exactly what I was thinking
[04:28] <theCore> crimsun: yes it's, that why I complain about a lack of style in the XML
[04:31] <theCore> crimsun: the whole guide is essentially in this file
[04:31] <crimsun> most of it
[04:31] <crimsun> I've been editing is for a couple days
[04:31] <crimsun> s/is/it/
[04:36] <LaserJock> crimsun: yes, I'm sorry about that
[04:36] <LaserJock> crimsun: I kind of threw stuff in there last minute
[04:36] <crimsun> no need to apologise. We'll have it in shape for 6.06.
[04:38] <LaserJock> yeah, I originally had an advanced section but in the end I didn't feel like there was enough material to justify it so I put it into Basic
[04:38] <crimsun> I should have basic.xml done in a couple hours. Look for the diff tomorrow morning.
[04:39] <LaserJock> ok, great
[04:42] <theCore> LaserJock: ok, I cleaned the page
[04:42] <theCore> LaserJock: now, let's brainstorm for the next version;)
[04:43] <LaserJock> ok, great
[04:46] <theCore> the page size gone to 3957 to 1819
[04:46] <theCore> that's called agressive cleaning :) 
[05:08] <theCore> LaserJock: when I take a package from Debian do I change the maintainer?
[05:08] <LaserJock> theCore: no
[05:08] <theCore> so I just upload it like it is?
[05:09] <LaserJock> yes, you will be in the 
[05:09] <LaserJock> Changed By: field
[05:11] <theCore> LaserJock: This should be better documented
[05:11] <LaserJock> yeah?
[05:12] <theCore> there's nothing about that in the guide
[05:13] <LaserJock> well, I guess. I didn't say to change it and you are supposed to do a changelog entry. but maybe it needs to be more explicit
[05:17] <theCore> I sure could write some a Emacs mode for helping with the packages' maintenance
[05:18] <LaserJock> there already are
[05:18] <LaserJock> devscripts-el I think is the package
[05:18] <theCore> debian-el?
[05:18] <theCore> not again ...
[05:18] <LaserJock> devscripts-el
[05:19] <theCore> my ideas always exist
[05:19] <LaserJock> heh, I don't even bother anymore ;-)
[05:19] <theCore> there's no place for innovation ...
[05:19] <theCore> hehe
[05:22] <theCore> Ubuntu is just great 
[05:26] <theCore> LaserJock: maybe, adding a section about setting a maintainer environment could be good
[05:26] <LaserJock> ?
[05:28] <theCore> LaserJock: think like how to watch your packages, useful script, directories hierarchy, etc
[05:29] <LaserJock> ahh, yes. I would like that a lot
[05:29] <theCore> all sort of things that make you more productive
[05:30] <theCore> this would lower the bar for the new maintainers
[05:30] <theCore> the pbuilder section is great for that
[05:33] <theCore> by the way, devscripts-el is exactly what I wanted
[05:34] <theCore> thanks for the info
[05:34] <LaserJock> np
[05:35] <theCore> I will /try/ to improve it
[05:36] <theCore> so, I can do all the maintaining from emacs ;)
[05:38] <LaserJock> there are a few MOTUs that do that
[05:38] <LaserJock> you can report bugs to Debian from there as well
[05:57] <LaserJock> hi Madpilot 
[05:58] <Madpilot> hi LaserJock 
[06:01] <Madpilot> has Burgundavia been around in the last couple of hours?
[06:04] <theCore> LaserJock: ok, I gotta go
[06:04] <theCore> cia all
[06:04] <LaserJock> cya theCore 
[06:05] <LaserJock> Madpilot: not really
[06:05] <Madpilot> OK, was just wondering
[06:05] <LaserJock> Madpilot: last thing he said was ~ 5hrs ago
[06:06] <Madpilot> from work, I guess
[07:19] <Burgundavia> mdke: you around?
[07:39] <robotgeek> Burgundavia: better late than never
[07:41] <Burgundavia> robotgeek: I was looking at the firefox start page
[07:42] <Burgundavia> I do epiphany, but it has the same page
[07:42] <Burgundavia> so, no, I don't do FF either
[07:43] <Madpilot> hey, that makes three of us - and three different browsers ;)
[07:43] <robotgeek> kde has a totally "different" start page :)
[07:44] <LaserJock> I use safari, does that count ;-)
[07:44] <LaserJock> oh, wait. this is Ubuntu
[07:44] <robotgeek> LaserJock: safari is just konq for the mac
[07:45] <Burgundavia> uhhh
[07:45] <LaserJock> I heard that a while back ago, don't know if it really looks that way
[07:45] <Burgundavia> I would actually say safari and firefox share more of the same UI
[07:45] <Burgundavia> althourgh they do share a similar rendering engine
[07:45] <robotgeek> khtml
[07:45] <Burgundavia> UI concepts
[07:45] <LaserJock> I believe that safari uses khtml though
[07:46] <Burgundavia> safari uses webkit, which is a deriv of khtml
[07:46] <Burgundavia> or is it webcore?
[07:47] <Burgundavia> http://webkit.opendarwin.org/
[07:47] <robotgeek> anyways, konqueror is pretty nice, except on a few sites. 
[07:48] <LaserJock> in Linux I've only ever used Firefox and Konqi
[07:48] <robotgeek> Burgundavia: does epiphany talk to liferea?
[07:49] <Burgundavia> if you click on an rss link, I believe it does
[07:49] <robotgeek> hmm, i moved to kubuntu because of that one "missing" feature in Ubuntu (breezy)
[07:50] <Burgundavia> I don't use rss feeds anymore, due to not having an rss feed at work and my laptop being reinstalled every two weeks or less
[07:50] <robotgeek> rss feeds can be a distraction
[07:50] <dsas> robotgeek: It does via a plugin
[07:51] <robotgeek> dsas: i did look, i swear. (but for firefox)
[07:51] <dsas> robotgeek: I think it's only recently that the plugin was made tbh.
[07:51] <robotgeek> well, ubuntu's loss is kubuntu's gain :)
[07:51] <dsas> Burgundavia: Just setup your own personal planet, no need to worry about things that way :) (besides spending too much time reading)
[07:52] <Burgundavia> dsas: yes, that is on my long term plans
[08:09] <Burgundavia> ok, grumble https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromUbuntu
[08:09] <Burgundavia> salut robitaille
[08:11] <robitaille> Bonsoir Burgundavia 
[08:17] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, just change that page into a redirect to one of the existing network printing pages - it's a good title, shame about the content...
[08:17] <Burgundavia> lol
[08:23] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: redirect to what?
[08:23] <Madpilot> there's an Ubuntu-to-XP-printer page, and an XP-to-Ubuntu-printer page - whichever is a better fit
[08:25] <LaserJock> ack, anybody know how to create the .pot files?
[08:27] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: ugh
[08:27] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: all those pages need a rewrite
[08:27] <Burgundavia> guess I should borrow a printer and try it out
[08:28] <Madpilot> my old Lexmark is still downstairs, I think it kind of runs in Ubuntu :P
[08:28] <Madpilot> actually it did, but as a printer it just sucked - and all it's ink has dried out
[08:28] <Burgundavia> there are 6 dead printers in the garage here
[08:28] <Burgundavia> at least one of them must poweron
[08:29] <Madpilot> my Lexmark does at least poweron, it'll even move it's printheads
[08:29] <robitaille> and my printer doesn't even work in Dapper...
[08:29] <Madpilot> robitaille, did it in Breezy?
[08:29] <robitaille> yes.  
[08:30] <robitaille> and yes a bug report has been filled weeks ago
[08:30] <Burgundavia> robitaille: try again today, the new guten print just hit
[08:31] <robitaille> ah.  Hopefully that will do it.  that's  a showstopper to upgrade the desktop here since the rest of the family uses the printer
[08:32] <Burgundavia> it might have been an issue with ppd's moving
[08:32] <Burgundavia> seems the new cups is looking for them in a different dir and gutenprint hadn't caught up yet
[08:32] <robitaille> it prints, but only blank pages :)
[08:32] <Burgundavia> I think, at least
[08:32] <Burgundavia> I am usually wrong on these things
[08:50] <mdke_> Burgundavia, hi
[08:50] <Burgundavia> mdke_: morning
[08:52] <Burgundavia> mdke_: once again, I have brilliant ideas at the eleventh hour
[08:53] <mdke_> Burgundavia, advance warning: I've had lots of translations already for that page, so we can't change any strings
[08:53] <Burgundavia> ah, in that case, np
[08:53] <Burgundavia> however, we do, in any current lit, describe ourselves as "The Ubuntu Project"
[08:54] <Burgundavia> we decribe ourselves as a project, but not capital P
[08:54] <mdke_> so small "p"?
[08:54] <Burgundavia> yep
[08:54] <mdke_> we can probably do that, it's a correction to the english version
[08:55] <mdke_> so it shouldn't affect the translations too badly
[08:55] <Burgundavia> oh, wait, there is a reference to capital P on the Ubuntu.com/ubuntu site
[08:55] <Burgundavia> easier to nuke that, as it is the only place we say that
[08:55] <mdke_> there are a lot of capital letters that shouldn't be there in the ff home page
[08:55] <mdke_> especially links
[08:56] <Burgundavia> yep
[08:57] <mdke_> I am quite tempted to correct them, and inform the translators. they can change theirs if they like
[08:57] <Burgundavia> ok, reference to Ubuntu Project dead on teh ubutnu webiste
[08:58] <Burgundavia> I am on a mission to find and make certain we refer to ourselves as just Ubuntu, not Ubuntu Linux or anything else
[08:58] <Burgundavia> reduces confusion
[09:01] <Burgundavia> another minor point, maybe call it Ubuntu 6.06 (Dapper Drake), for conformity with the docs
[09:01] <mdke_> yes, I grepped all the docs for that
[09:01] <mdke_> (Ubuntu Linux)
[09:01] <Burgundavia> Welcome to Ubuntu 6.06, Dapper Drake!
[09:01] <mdke_> hmm, I don't think we can change that because all the translations have done it
[09:01] <mdke_> no biggie, I hope
[09:01] <Burgundavia> ha
[09:01] <Burgundavia> ya
[09:13] <robitaille> Burgundavia: just tried the new gutenprint.  It's actually worse.  Before it was printing blank pages.  Now I cannot even add the printer :)
[09:13] <Burgundavia> robitaille: cool!
[09:13] <Burgundavia> I love printing
[09:14] <Burgundavia> ok, ladislav at distrowatch rocksw
[09:14] <Burgundavia> I emailed him today about it being Ubuntu Linux, not Ubuntu, and he as fixed it already
[09:20] <mdke_> Burgundavia, the other way round, right?
[09:20] <Burgundavia> ya
[09:20] <mdke_> phew
[09:20] <Burgundavia> it was listed as Ubuntu Linux, not Ubuntu
[09:20] <mdke_> nice work
[09:20] <Burgundavia> sorry, realized that wasn't clear
[09:21] <Burgundavia> given how bad most distros are about cohesive marketing...
[09:22] <Burgundavia> can we not generate a pot of the ff start page when it is xhtml
[09:22] <Burgundavia> ?
[09:22] <Madpilot> AFAIK it is, and we did
[09:23] <Burgundavia> then why did we not use rosetta?'
[09:23] <mdke_> we didn't
[09:23] <mdke_> I came to the conclusion it wasn't really worth it for such a short file, maybe wrongly I guess
[09:23] <Burgundavia> ah, ok
[09:23] <Burgundavia> meh, you live and learn
[09:23] <mdke_> it's a slightly tricky business though
[09:24] <mdke_> only locales for which a firefox translation exist will appear
[09:24] <mdke_> this way, I can explain that to everyone who sends me a translation but doesn't have a firefox localisation
[03:06] <mdke_> holy moley
[03:06] <mdke_> kubuntu-docs (binary) is 11MB
[03:06] <mdke_> we need to do something about that
[03:35] <mdke_> robotgeek, none of the images were used afaics, I've nuked them all
[06:22] <jenda> Hello doc team. Could I ask you a favor in the name of the Marketing Team, which is going through a reform around this time. We will be dropping two projects (at least): New User Literature and Speaker Literature. These are/were in charge for creating/obtaining material for SpreadUbuntu and DIY Marketing (and potentially other projects) to draw upon. We decided that this is redundant, as the Doc Team has probably created enough already - AFAIK, it w
[06:22] <jenda> as active all the time the MT laid in ruins. So, since you know a lot better what you have than I do, would any of you mind having a look around for docs that help clear what ubuntu is to a person (see spreadfirefox.com ) and even more important, somesuch that could help people wha plan to preach publically about Ubuntu. We will then hopefully rework the former into leaflets, posters and the latter to teaching guides, advocacy papers et al. Thanks, 
[06:22] <jenda> --Jenda.
[06:48] <mhz> jenda: hmm have you seen new "dapper firefox default url" ?
[06:49] <jenda> mhz nope...
[06:51] <mhz> but I have been told it is pretty much a summary of what you need
[06:52] <jenda> Hmm... (note to self - find dapper user)
[06:54] <LaserJock> that is probably online somewhere
[06:55] <Burgwork> what do you need jenda ?
[06:56] <jenda> Read above, Burgwork - nothing more, nothing less - except, if you use dapper, what's the default page in FF there? I can't fnid it online anywhere.
[06:56] <jenda> :)
[06:58] <Burgwork> it is in svn
[06:59] <jenda> Where?
[06:59] <Burgwork>  /DocumentationTeam
[06:59] <Burgwork> has a link to the svn repo
[07:00] <jenda> OK, thx
[07:01] <LaserJock> jenda: I've got a copy at http://chem.unr.edu/~mantha/ubuntu/starterpage/home/
[07:02] <jenda> yay, thanks, LaserJock 
[07:02] <LaserJock> at least I think that is it, I just copied it from my ubuntu box
[07:02] <poningru> arr
[07:03] <poningru> hey guys
[07:03] <jenda> OK, that's not really what the Marketing Team needs, since it's intended for the user who has just booted to dapper. What I'm looking for is intended for one that has just been told "oi, check out Ubuntu, it rocks"
[07:03] <jenda> 'lo poningru
[07:05] <jenda> LaserJock: i'll toss it to the Team anyway - will you keep it up there for some time, or is it temp?
[07:05] <poningru> jenda: that needs a full team to create matierials
[07:05] <LaserJock> jenda: I'd take a look at doc.ubuntu.com
[07:05] <poningru> during sfx we had community drives to create matierials
[07:05] <jenda> poningru: i know, I was of the impression that this team already _had_ something.
[07:05] <poningru> jenda: well docs are not a good way to do this imho
[07:06] <LaserJock> jenda: I think what you might want is http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/about-ubuntu/C/index.html
[07:06] <poningru> it needs things like tiny pics, vids, etc. that are drive by marketing kinda
[07:06] <jenda> The MT will then rework what it gets (hopefully - I won't be there to do all the work) and makes what's missing.
[07:06] <jenda> poningru: that we can manage.
[07:06] <jenda> Or "they"
[07:07] <poningru> hmm right
[07:07] <jenda> I'm trying to get something going - as soon as it does (and I think it might), I'll take a break till June 22.
[07:07] <jenda> Thanks, LaserJock, going through that.
[07:08] <jenda> LaserJock: Yes, that's exactly what I needed.
[07:08] <jenda> Now all that the MT lacks is something for the advocates. But perhaps that could be extracted as well.
[07:11] <jenda> LaserJock: is all that content FDL/CC?
[07:11] <jenda> n/m, found it.
[07:11] <LaserJock> jenda: should be, we only have 1 doc that isn't
[07:12] <jenda> out of curiosity - which one?
[07:13] <LaserJock> the Ubuntu Packaging Guide
[07:13] <LaserJock> it is GPL
[07:14] <LaserJock> since all of  Debian packaging docs are GPL and we will have an Ubuntu Developer's Reference that will be GPL
[07:16] <jenda> OK
[07:21] <mdke_> evening all
[07:22] <LaserJock> hi mdke 
[07:22] <Burgwork> salut mdke 
[07:23] <mdke> what's going down in docland?
[07:24] <LaserJock> huge commits to the dapper branch
[07:24] <LaserJock> :-)
[07:25] <mdke> :)
[07:26] <jenda> mdke: thx @ mailing list :)
[07:27] <jenda> LaserJock: prime stuff, what you linked me to...
[07:27] <jenda> mdke https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GreatFeaturesOfUbuntu, been looking for for _ages_
[07:28] <mdke> jenda, np
[07:31] <jenda> BTW, isn't flash proprietary? maybe the mentioned animations should use a free format.
[07:31] <mdke> heh
[07:31] <poningru> hehe
[07:31] <mdke> jenda, don't worry, they think about these things
[07:31] <poningru> there is no free animation protocol that is well used
[07:31] <poningru> or easy to create
[07:31] <poningru> canvas can be used
[07:31] <mdke> there is free flash code. but that animation is being deferred for dapper+1, I'm afraid
[07:31] <poningru> but...
[07:31] <mdke> still good material tho
[07:32] <poningru> firefox supports canvas out of the box and we could do our animations in that but its a pita to create
[07:33] <jenda> OK :)
[07:40] <Burgwork> they are going to create flash that can be read with gnash
[07:40] <Burgwork> btw, mdke, have you heard anything more on that?
[07:41] <mdke> yes, it's off
[07:41] <mdke> apparently there was a problem with the software
[07:41] <Burgwork> ah
[07:41] <mdke> ->dapper+1
[07:52] <LaserJock> heh, dapper+1 should really rock if we can just get all the things we deferred from dapper in :-)
[07:52] <mdke> LaserJock, yes, it should be pretty hot
[07:56] <Burgwork> xgl, gnash, beagle, etc.
[07:56] <Burgwork> where does the crack end?
[07:56] <mdke> heh
[07:57] <frank23> what is gnash?
[07:58] <Burgwork> a gpl implementation of flash
[07:58] <frank23> Burgwork: oh. does it work well?
[07:59] <jenda> supybot says: "G.N.A.S.H.: General Networked Android Skilled in Harm" :)
[08:00] <Burgwork> frank23, somewhat
[08:00] <Burgwork> currently supports only part of 7 and not 8
[08:03] <mdke> right
[08:03] <mdke> time to format and reinstall everything
[08:04] <mdke> i haven't done that for _ages_
[08:09] <LaserJock> mdke: I'm done
[08:11] <LaserJock> mdke: the only thing I will probably replace dapper with the name of dapper+1 (once it is finalized) since most of the development during dapper will be for dapper+1
[08:19] <mdke> LaserJock_away, cool
[08:51] <mdke> ahhhh crap
[08:52] <LaserJock> oh crap
[08:53] <mdke> looks like the old "keep windows on the lappy for safe keeping" is going to have to go down the drain
[08:55] <LaserJock> I forgot to update the .pot :(
[08:55] <mdke> LaserJock, i was about to say "new pot please"
[08:55] <LaserJock> done
[08:55] <mdke> good man
[08:55] <LaserJock> I can't believe I forgot
[08:56] <mdke> np dude
[08:57] <crimsun> I'm guessing my edits weren't merged?
[08:57] <LaserJock> yes
[08:58] <LaserJock> they are in and ready to be translated, soon
[08:58] <mdke> crimsun, :)
[08:59] <crimsun> are you committing to an "internal" svn server?
[08:59] <crimsun> as of r2870, my changes still don't appear
[08:59] <mdke> crimsun, we're in a branch now
[08:59] <LaserJock> crimsun: oh, yes. dapper was branched
[08:59] <crimsun> ARGH.
[09:00] <LaserJock> I'm going to commit them today in trunk but I just wanted to make sure they went into dapper first
[09:00] <LaserJock> crimsun: sorry about that dude
[09:09] <LaserJock> crimsun: as of 2871 they should be in ;-)
[10:58] <jjesse> LaserJock: raphink says in the packaging guide his name isn't spelled right?
[10:58] <LaserJock> jjesse: grrr, really?
[10:59] <crimsun> my name isn't spelled at all :p
[11:00] <LaserJock> doh
[11:01] <mdke> meh
[11:06] <LaserJock> jjesse: I had it right. It was wrong a while back ago but I fixed it. I think it just took a while to get updated online, etc.
[11:06] <mdke> LaserJock, crimsun's should be there though
[11:06] <LaserJock> yes, most definately
[11:07] <crimsun> I'm jesting; it doesn't matter
[11:07] <mdke> it does!
[11:07] <jjesse> LaserJock: ah ok
[11:07] <LaserJock> It matters to me, you did an huge facor
[11:07] <LaserJock> favor
[11:07] <crimsun> now back to alsa. sigh.
[11:07] <LaserJock> you really helped the readability of the doc
[11:35] <mdke> LaserJock, I'm going to need to do a couple of edits to the server guide too
[11:35] <mdke> dammit
[11:35] <mdke> we suck as this "freeze" business
[11:36] <crimsun> hehe, if you think it's bad now, I don't know if you remember Warty ;)
[11:36] <mdke> I wasn't involved in docs for warty
[11:36] <mdke> were there any?
[11:36] <crimsun> not really, just referring to last-minutes
[11:36] <Burgwork> for warty?
[11:36] <Burgwork> nope
[11:37] <mdke> trappist, while I'm at the server guide, are you going to have any ifup/down action going on today?
[11:38] <LaserJock> mdke: if you use aptitude then it grabs Recommended by default, that might have been the problem
[11:38] <mdke> could be
[11:38] <mdke> but we don't, in that doc
[11:39] <LaserJock> oh crap, I have a major pain in my back today. I can't sit up straight :(
[11:39] <trappist> mdke: hopefully this evening
[11:40] <mdke> trappist, that would be cool
[11:41] <trappist> mdke: I think you owe me $10 for being glad I solicited reviews :)
[11:41] <trappist> 10:57 <trappist> mdke: $10 says we'll be glad we did it - people will catch things we won't believe we didn't catch ourselves
[11:42] <LaserJock> heh, either that or you own him $10 for the pain you have caused ;p
[11:42] <trappist> fine, we'll call it even :)
[11:43] <trappist> would have been less painful if the post to the -server list didn't have to wait for a moderator, which wouldn't have happened if I'd been subscribed, and I would have been subscribed if the list was listed on lists.ubuntu.com... so somebody owes me $10 by god!
[11:46] <LaserJock> maybe you should ask Mark for it?
[11:46] <trappist> who's that? shuttleworth?
[11:46] <LaserJock> yeah
[11:46] <trappist> if he's in charge of lists.ubuntu.com, I just might ;)
[11:47] <LaserJock> I'm sure somehow he is :-)
[11:47] <mdke_> trappist, did I take that bet?
[11:48] <trappist> I guess not
[11:50] <mdke_> i tell you what is terrible
[11:50] <mdke_> syntax highlighting isn't working in gedit now
[11:54] <mdke_> trappist, warning: lamont is the debian+ubuntu postfix maintainer ;)
[11:55] <trappist> hehe
[11:55] <trappist> I had no idea
[11:56] <Burgwork> trappist, lamont is also 40+ and has worked for exactly two companies in his life
[11:56] <Burgwork> HP and Canonical
[11:56] <trappist> that's pretty awesome.
[11:58] <LaserJock> trappist: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html
[11:59] <trappist> LaserJock: beautiful, thanks :)