| Hirvinen | aaa | 12:13 |
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| Hirvinen | Whoops. | 12:13 |
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| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 12 Apr 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 12 Apr 14:00 UTC: Xubuntu | 13 Apr 14:00 UTC: Dapper Development Status | 18 Apr 21:00 UTC: Community Council | 19 Apr 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 19 Apr 14:00 UTC: Xubuntu | ||
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| === bur[n] er wonders wtf UTC is compared to MST | ||
| azeem | @schedule MST | 03:00 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for MST: 12 Apr 05:00: Edubuntu | 12 Apr 07:00: Xubuntu | 13 Apr 07:00: Dapper Development Status | 18 Apr 14:00: Community Council | 19 Apr 05:00: Edubuntu | 19 Apr 07:00: Xubuntu | 03:00 |
| bur[n] er | :) | 03:03 |
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| flint | good morning campers... we have sun but no coffee on this morning in Vermont | 01:01 |
| ogra | @schedule | 01:05 |
| Ubugtu | schedule Retrieve the date/time of scheduled meetings in a specific timezone | 01:05 |
| ogra | @schedule CET | 01:05 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for CET: 12 Apr 14:00: Edubuntu | 12 Apr 16:00: Xubuntu | 13 Apr 16:00: Dapper Development Status | 18 Apr 23:00: Community Council | 19 Apr 14:00: Edubuntu | 19 Apr 16:00: Xubuntu | 01:05 |
| flint | ogra, Oliver i am early, I am going to make coffee or nap for another bit. | 01:06 |
| ogra | :) | 01:06 |
| flint | @schedule | 01:06 |
| Ubugtu | schedule Retrieve the date/time of scheduled meetings in a specific timezone | 01:06 |
| ogra | you need to give it your timezone as argument | 01:06 |
| flint | @schedule EST | 01:06 |
| ogra | @schedule EST | 01:07 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for EST: 12 Apr 07:00: Edubuntu | 12 Apr 09:00: Xubuntu | 13 Apr 09:00: Dapper Development Status | 18 Apr 16:00: Community Council | 19 Apr 07:00: Edubuntu | 19 Apr 09:00: Xubuntu | 01:07 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for EST: 12 Apr 07:00: Edubuntu | 12 Apr 09:00: Xubuntu | 13 Apr 09:00: Dapper Development Status | 18 Apr 16:00: Community Council | 19 Apr 07:00: Edubuntu | 19 Apr 09:00: Xubuntu | 01:07 |
| ogra | :) | 01:07 |
| ogra | wow, its early at your place :) | 01:07 |
| flint | oh yea... | 01:07 |
| JaneW | flint: I was early too | 01:07 |
| JaneW | there must be something in the air | 01:07 |
| JaneW | ogra is the only one fully awake today | 01:07 |
| flint | JaneW, mornin' darling, it ain't the smell of coffee... the child is healthy? | 01:08 |
| JaneW | flint: hopefully getting there | 01:09 |
| JaneW | although I had a serious relapse yesterday | 01:09 |
| JaneW | the day had started so promisingly... | 01:09 |
| flint | you all know that I had to get a job... this is taking up an inordinant amount of my spare time... worse than an afliction imho... | 01:09 |
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| flint | JaneW, sorry to hear about the back... | 01:10 |
| JaneW | flint: does that mean you got a job? | 01:10 |
| flint | JaneW, my wife does pelates to combat back pain. | 01:11 |
| JaneW | flint: I fear this is a sign of my increasing age taking it's toll | 01:11 |
| JaneW | flint: I do yoga | 01:11 |
| === JaneW LOL at the guy who complained about my dapper status update meeting reminder. | ||
| flint | JaneW, I work for a php firm called code4design took them to LinuxWorld and I am in the process of getting them loaded on IBM zSeries Mainframes... | 01:12 |
| JaneW | flint: interesting | 01:12 |
| JaneW | flint: from Vermont? | 01:12 |
| flint | JaneW, work from my little house in Vermont. I needed the money... | 01:12 |
| flint | :^) | 01:13 |
| flint | JaneW, if i hadn't pissed off the other Jane, I might have been involved with the Montreal mafia, this is a user support job just the same... | 01:13 |
| JaneW | flint: yes I imagine she is no longer in your fan club! | 01:14 |
| flint | JaneW, Not like i was shy and did not try... :^) | 01:15 |
| ogra | what did you do to her ? | 01:15 |
| flint | JaneW, it is probably better this way. | 01:15 |
| JaneW | flint: hey you spoke your mind... | 01:15 |
| flint | ogra, Ollie when I keep you out of the line of fire, just enjoy your foxhole :^) | 01:15 |
| JaneW | you may have been smoking crack at the time... | 01:15 |
| JaneW | but still | 01:16 |
| flint | JaneW, scratch the surface of me and find an idealist. | 01:16 |
| === JaneW contemplates entering 'Survivor' | ||
| JaneW | I need some excitement | 01:16 |
| flint | lol | 01:16 |
| flint | JaneW, I do what i can to entertain... | 01:17 |
| flint | b back soon... | 01:17 |
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| Seveas | JaneW, admit it, you just want to train your whip on innocent Ubuntu users | 01:29 |
| JaneW | Seveas: damn you foiled my thinly veiled plot! | 01:30 |
| Seveas | JaneW, look at the banlist in #ubuntu, there are some willing test subjects | 01:31 |
| JaneW | Seveas: ooh | 01:31 |
| === JaneW cracks knuckles | ||
| ajmitch | Seveas: we've always known that | 01:33 |
| ajmitch | JaneW has been perfectly willing to wield that whip | 01:33 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 01:35 |
| ogra | ajmitch, only if there are willing victims offering themselves :) | 01:40 |
| ajmitch | like the whole dev team :) | 01:42 |
| ogra | :) | 01:42 |
| === Hobbsee runs and hides :P | ||
| Hobbsee | i must say, that ubuntu banlist is pretty impressive... | 01:43 |
| === flint returns with coffee... | ||
| flint | Hobbsee, how does one read the banlist maybe /banlist? | 01:43 |
| Hobbsee | flint: /mode #ubuntu b | 01:44 |
| flint | Hobbsee, thanks... wilco | 01:44 |
| === Hobbsee has had to learn such things, to respond quickly to...um...painful users... | ||
| Hobbsee | #kubuntu list is also rather impressive... | 01:46 |
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| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Current meeting: Edubuntu | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 12 Apr 14:00 UTC: Xubuntu | 13 Apr 14:00 UTC: Dapper Development Status | 18 Apr 21:00 UTC: Community Council | 19 Apr 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 19 Apr 14:00 UTC: Xubuntu | ||
| JaneW | ajmitch: hey it's not my fault thay are all S&M fetishists | 01:57 |
| JaneW | but it helps... | 01:57 |
| ogra | we just didnt know before we met you ;) | 01:58 |
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| flint | JaneW, we love being obedient to Mistress Jane, and appreciate the punishment... | 02:01 |
| flint | ...That said let us begin our deliberations... :^) | 02:01 |
| === Hobbsee rolls her eyes | ||
| JaneW | ok who is here? | 02:02 |
| === ogra hides | ||
| === Hobbsee shuts up as well, seeing that the meeting is starting :P | ||
| === flint thinks that this is not a question to answer in the negative... | ||
| JaneW | Hobbsee: you are welcome to participate, if you haqve an interest in Edubuntu | 02:02 |
| JaneW | -q | 02:02 |
| ogra | absolutely ! | 02:03 |
| JaneW | anyone else here for the edubuntu meeting? | 02:03 |
| flint | indubidably...(sp?) | 02:03 |
| JaneW | seems to be the usual guilty suspects | 02:03 |
| === juliux here | ||
| ogra | do we wait 5 mins or do we start ? | 02:03 |
| JaneW | hi juliux | 02:03 |
| juliux | hi JaneW | 02:03 |
| === apokryphos has come to observe :) | ||
| JaneW | I think we should wait 2 mins | 02:03 |
| === Hobbsee will observe as well | ||
| ogra | ok | 02:03 |
| === bimberi is lurking | ||
| Hobbsee | you cant use the standard "if hobbsee is here, then everyone is, because hobbsee's always the latest" here though... | 02:03 |
| Hobbsee | /offtopic | 02:04 |
| JaneW | ogra: since your 2 min updates are usually the meat that the meeting chews on for most of the rest of the time... | 02:04 |
| ogra | heh | 02:04 |
| ogra | i have not much this week ... | 02:04 |
| flint | JaneW, in elkners defense, the little whiner is likely teaching class, probably on a flight 6 system... | 02:04 |
| JaneW | highvoltage, you here? | 02:04 |
| ogra | flint, crazy guy | 02:04 |
| JaneW | flint: great, so he is actively testing | 02:04 |
| Hobbsee | JaneW: do you have a meeting agenda, that you'll be using today? | 02:04 |
| Hobbsee | i'm not terribly familiar with edubuntu, or it's meetings | 02:04 |
| JaneW | Hobbsee: we have a standard (very loose) format | 02:04 |
| JaneW | start with tech discussion | 02:05 |
| JaneW | move to documentation | 02:05 |
| JaneW | then artowrk | 02:05 |
| JaneW | artwork even | 02:05 |
| Hobbsee | ok, cool, thanks | 02:05 |
| JaneW | then community and other | 02:05 |
| === Hobbsee isnt even noticing the spelling errors :P | ||
| flint | Hobbsee, note the use of the term "very loose" | 02:05 |
| ogra | https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuMeetingRecords#head-5e7f70a61c134d6b4d43164288d5c686da158155 | 02:05 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 02:05 |
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| ogra | Hobbsee, ^^ | 02:05 |
| Hobbsee | thanks very much ogra | 02:05 |
| JaneW | Hobbsee: sorry my typing is bad :( | 02:06 |
| JaneW | hi freeflying-ibook | 02:06 |
| Hobbsee | man! i like the red of the logo and background! *considers a red kubuntu* | 02:06 |
| JaneW | ok let's hit it | 02:06 |
| freeflying-ibook | JaneW: hi | 02:06 |
| ogra | so its five minutes after, lets start | 02:06 |
| JaneW | Hobbsee: yeah our graphics ROCK | 02:06 |
| Hobbsee | they do! | 02:06 |
| ogra | Hobbsee, feel free to make kedubuntu :) | 02:06 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 02:07 |
| JaneW | ogra: where do we stand on the dev side? | 02:07 |
| juliux | ogra, lol | 02:07 |
| ogra | not much happened edubuntu wise on my desk last week ... | 02:07 |
| ogra | (i was mostly busy with ubuntu bugs) | 02:07 |
| ogra | i prepared a patch to the installer part of ltsp though, that should let us get rid of the post install editing of the dhcp config | 02:08 |
| ogra | i also worked on a better progress reporting of the ltsp part in the installer | 02:08 |
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| ogra | additionally i looked over highvoltages edubuntu getting started doc, which i'd like to ship by default in edubuntu-docs | 02:08 |
| ogra | thats all i did on a tech side ... | 02:09 |
| JaneW | Does Edubuntu have many bugs? | 02:09 |
| JaneW | over and above the ubuntu ones? | 02:09 |
| ogra | a hand full | 02:09 |
| ogra | (~5) :) | 02:09 |
| JaneW | sounds good | 02:09 |
| jsgotangco | :) | 02:09 |
| JaneW | how serious are they? | 02:09 |
| ogra | not very | 02:10 |
| JaneW | and think they will get fixed before the release? | 02:10 |
| ogra | and mostly they turn out as ubuntu bugs | 02:10 |
| juliux | what is with the alt +f7 bug? | 02:10 |
| JaneW | do you think this extra QA time is helping ? In general, and for edubuntu specifically? | 02:10 |
| ogra | i havent got a bug about that yet | 02:10 |
| ogra | not really | 02:10 |
| ogra | edubuntu would be ready so far if we wanted it | 02:11 |
| juliux | ogra, because we dont know where the bug is in xorg or ltsp or something else | 02:11 |
| JaneW | things seem much more relaxed and less panicked than last time | 02:11 |
| ogra | but indeed we build from ubuntu packages that have open bugs | 02:11 |
| juliux | see the mail from jeff elkner | 02:11 |
| JaneW | which is nice, but I hope we don't lose momentum and the excitement | 02:11 |
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| juliux | hi mhz | 02:11 |
| ogra | juliux, i refuse to read *any* mail from jeff that contains the word bug | 02:11 |
| JaneW | hi mhz | 02:11 |
| juliux | ogra, ok | 02:11 |
| mhz | hi there! sorry i am late (agan) | 02:12 |
| juliux | ogra, i will open a bug against edubuntu | 02:12 |
| ogra | i told him 100 ties to please file them in LP | 02:12 |
| flint | ogra, he actually filed a bug report finally Ollie... | 02:12 |
| JaneW | juliux: thank-you | 02:12 |
| ogra | flint, against what ? | 02:12 |
| juliux | ogra, but if you dont know against which package there is a problem | 02:12 |
| JaneW | unfortunately jelkner is not a good bug filer | 02:12 |
| ogra | i dont see any bugreport from him | 02:12 |
| JaneW | but he is a useful tester | 02:12 |
| jsgotangco | you dont need to know what specific package is to file in rosaetta | 02:12 |
| JaneW | so if anyone can help to file the bugs he finds that would be very helpful | 02:13 |
| jsgotangco | you can put it blank | 02:13 |
| flint | I believe he told me against edubuntu... I will backtrack and verify based upon this. | 02:13 |
| JaneW | ogra: agreed? ^ | 02:13 |
| ogra | juliux, if in doubt, file it against edubuntu-meta and i'll push it to the right package | 02:13 |
| juliux | ogra, ok | 02:13 |
| jsgotangco | a triage team will then direct it accordingly | 02:13 |
| ogra | 99% of the bugs are ubuntu bugs anyway | 02:13 |
| JaneW | yes as long as a bug is filed ogra can do something with it, please don;t expect ogra to file all the bugs himself | 02:13 |
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| spacey | hi | 02:14 |
| spacey | sorry i'm late | 02:14 |
| JaneW | hi spacey | 02:14 |
| jsgotangco | can anyone specify the exact bug # | 02:14 |
| ogra | JaneW, i dont care about filing them myself as long as i dont have to read a several pages big email to find one line at the end that tells me about the bug | 02:14 |
| JaneW | ogra: fair enough | 02:14 |
| ogra | ok, so much from the tech side .... | 02:15 |
| ogra | i have something else ... | 02:15 |
| JaneW | ok so either file a big or send a concise and clear description of it to ogra (pref with steps to reproduce?) | 02:15 |
| JaneW | ogra: yes? | 02:15 |
| ogra | yep | 02:15 |
| JaneW | big=bug | 02:15 |
| ogra | malone is always preferred indeed | 02:15 |
| ogra | https://launchpad.net/people/edubuntu-members | 02:15 |
| ogra | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ | 02:15 |
| JaneW | yes bug to be filed in MALONE | 02:15 |
| JaneW | oops sorry | 02:16 |
| ogra | we have CC powers !!! | 02:16 |
| JaneW | do that again, I won;t mess it up ;P | 02:16 |
| mhz | JaneW: is there a EdubuntuHowToFileABug (mini instructions) | 02:16 |
| ogra | (or something like that) | 02:16 |
| ogra | mhz, there is HelpingWithBugs that should totally suffice | 02:16 |
| flint | ogra, nice touch the arrows... | 02:16 |
| JaneW | mhz: good point but we should pull it from ubuntu, as it's no different | 02:16 |
| JaneW | ogra: was that decides at last nights CC? | 02:17 |
| JaneW | decided | 02:17 |
| mhz | ogra: okis, JaneW, then agree if I make that page and link it to HelpingWithBugs? | 02:17 |
| ogra | so we have a launchpad team now that enables us to approve members like the CC does | 02:17 |
| JaneW | mhz: perfect thanks ! :) | 02:17 |
| flint | ogra, I swear a mighty oath that elkner said he "maloned" the bug he found. I will get to the bottom of this. I have emailed him just now. | 02:17 |
| ogra | additionally all members of that team will have @edubuntu.org mailadresses | 02:17 |
| JaneW | ogra: do we have a clear process for that? | 02:17 |
| JaneW | w00t! | 02:17 |
| ogra | i think the usual CC process applies here | 02:18 |
| jsgotangco | heh another spam bait forwarder lol | 02:18 |
| ogra | so you need to be a member already or comply to the rules to become a member to join that team | 02:18 |
| mhz | cool | 02:19 |
| juliux | ogra, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/edubuntu-meta/+bug/39294 i hope my english isnt to bad | 02:19 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 39294 in edubuntu-meta "No ldm login on the thinclient" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 02:19 |
| mhz | good marketing/encouraging people feature | 02:19 |
| ogra | so we'll take the big crowd of edubuntu member applicants from the CC in the future :P | 02:19 |
| ogra | juliux, thanks ! | 02:19 |
| JaneW | juliux: thanks | 02:19 |
| JaneW | games of chance are fun! :) | 02:20 |
| mhz | juliux: your english is not so buggy :D | 02:20 |
| JaneW | (sorry I was channeling flint for a second) | 02:20 |
| JaneW | ok artwork | 02:20 |
| ogra | the question with that team is, how do we want to handle it ? | 02:20 |
| JaneW | are we any nearer to anything artwork wise? | 02:20 |
| ogra | we'll need meetings like the CC meeting to review and approve people | 02:20 |
| JaneW | oops sorry, we still busy with the other topic | 02:20 |
| flint | JaneW, I do pretty well, considering I am a native speaker... :^) | 02:21 |
| ogra | JaneW and i both agree that we dont want an additional meeting on our schedule | 02:21 |
| mhz | ogra: but these Edubuntu Council :D meetings could be held every 3 weeks or every 2 weeks? | 02:21 |
| JaneW | possibly monthly initially | 02:21 |
| ogra | so the proposal was to have the meeting we have now on a two week schedule instead of weekly and have a ECC meeting in the new two week gap | 02:22 |
| JaneW | depends on the volume of discussion | 02:22 |
| JaneW | is once ever 2 weeks enough for dev meetings? | 02:22 |
| ogra | i guess monthly would be anough as well | 02:22 |
| JaneW | esp in a normal dev cycle which is much faster | 02:22 |
| flint | JaneW, while you may laugh at this discussion of empowerment, I would like to propose to the CC that they set up a certification in edubuntu... | 02:22 |
| ogra | i think in the beginnig we can start with reviewing people who want to join the team once a month additionally to that meeting without changing the schedule | 02:23 |
| JaneW | LOL | 02:23 |
| mhz | flint: but let's 1st finish Ubuntu Certifiaction ;) | 02:23 |
| JaneW | flint: you are kidding right? | 02:23 |
| ogra | later we can make them 2 weekly | 02:23 |
| JaneW | ogra: I agree with that | 02:23 |
| jsgotangco | flint: that's hardly needed, edubuntu is ubuntu :P | 02:23 |
| flint | JaneW, no. mhz separate and distinct from the cannonical ubuntu certification. | 02:23 |
| ogra | so lets say every first meeting in a month we do our approval | 02:23 |
| JaneW | ogra: agreed | 02:24 |
| flint | jsgotangco, no it is very different. ask Olli | 02:24 |
| JaneW | ogra: it will need to be listed clearly in an agenda | 02:24 |
| ogra | yes, we'll need an agenda like CC and TB have | 02:24 |
| mhz | ogra: +1 | 02:24 |
| JaneW | ogra: so #1 will be the first week of May | 02:24 |
| ogra | yep | 02:24 |
| JaneW | +1 | 02:24 |
| JaneW | done, I guess | 02:25 |
| flint | JaneW, I would propose that membership and certification be based upon contribution. This would motivate people to get things accomplished (beyond Oliver and yourself) | 02:25 |
| ogra | yup, done | 02:25 |
| jsgotangco | ogra: cheater you only look at edubuntu-meta :P | 02:25 |
| JaneW | flint: you still seem confussed about what certification means | 02:25 |
| ogra | flint, the same rules apply as they do for ubuntu members | 02:25 |
| ogra | the process is well documented | 02:25 |
| JaneW | ogra: we'll need to put something on the wiki | 02:26 |
| ogra | jsgotangco, ? | 02:26 |
| ogra | yup | 02:26 |
| flint | JaneW, cannonical certification is a commercial certificaiton. i am not confused even though I am a bitter old man. | 02:26 |
| ogra | but we only need to link to the appropriate ubuntu pages | 02:26 |
| JaneW | flint: it's not an internal qualification | 02:26 |
| flint | JaneW, the qualification would come from the edubuntu council. | 02:27 |
| JaneW | and means nothing (or is not nec relevent)here in our community | 02:27 |
| flint | the community certifies the practictioner. | 02:27 |
| JaneW | flint: anyway we can discuss that further in the ECC meetings | 02:27 |
| JaneW | agreed? | 02:27 |
| flint | done | 02:27 |
| JaneW | ty | 02:27 |
| JaneW | ok artwork | 02:27 |
| mhz | hehehe | 02:27 |
| JaneW | are we any nearer to anything artwork wise? | 02:27 |
| JaneW | did anyone manage to get anything out of toxictoadz? | 02:28 |
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| JaneW | I don't think so | 02:28 |
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| JaneW | which means we still don;t have our young/naive background | 02:28 |
| JaneW | jsgotangco: yes? | 02:28 |
| jsgotangco | JaneW: do i still get to do the Firefox page? | 02:28 |
| JaneW | jsgotangco: the about edubuntu page? | 02:29 |
| jsgotangco | or do we stick to Ubuntu page | 02:29 |
| ogra | jsgotangco, go go go ! | 02:29 |
| JaneW | yes, I'd say so | 02:29 |
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| jsgotangco | JaneW: that's easy i could whip it up starting tommorow (holidays) | 02:29 |
| JaneW | or rather any reason why not to do it? | 02:29 |
| mhz | nomed: hey! welcome! | 02:29 |
| jsgotangco | JaneW: the Ubuntu FF homepage are now translated | 02:29 |
| JaneW | I think it's def appropriate to have it | 02:29 |
| nomed | hi mhz | 02:29 |
| JaneW | and we can have edubuntu spec stuff and links | 02:29 |
| flint | welcome nomed | 02:29 |
| mhz | nomed: we are just starting to discuss about edubuntu artwork | 02:30 |
| JaneW | jsgotangco: if you can do it please do | 02:30 |
| Florob | Wouldn't that break doc freeze somehow? | 02:30 |
| ogra | jsgotangco, as long as we can still use an untranslated version, all is fine | 02:30 |
| JaneW | I think mhz would be happy to help with translations | 02:30 |
| jsgotangco | Florob: not at all | 02:30 |
| ogra | Florob, edubuntu has no doc freeze | 02:30 |
| JaneW | mhz? ^ | 02:30 |
| ogra | we shoot ourselves in the foot with that | 02:30 |
| mhz | JaneW: +1 | 02:30 |
| JaneW | wasn;t there a technical constraint with it last time? | 02:30 |
| ogra | *we'd | 02:30 |
| Florob | didn't no you're THAT seperate from ubuntu | 02:30 |
| JaneW | mhz: +10 :) | 02:30 |
| mhz | JaneW: however, afaik, 'es' is already done. Sure, I can help on edubuntu.es for firefox | 02:31 |
| ogra | Florob, we arent, but we'll use the extended time to finish up missing docs, that was claer from the beginning | 02:31 |
| JaneW | mhz: yes for edubuntu.es | 02:31 |
| highvoltage | sorry, i have a local meeting here and will miss most of this meeting, but will catch up later | 02:31 |
| ogra | if the docteam wants to restrict itself, its allowed to do that, we wont :) | 02:31 |
| Florob | ogra, didn't know that, thanks | 02:32 |
| JaneW | highvoltage: ok, quickly, did you hear from toxictoadz?? | 02:32 |
| ogra | highvoltage, local meetings are overrated | 02:32 |
| juliux | highvoltage, where is edubuntugirl? | 02:32 |
| JaneW | ogra: but not attending can be a CLM | 02:32 |
| mhz | JaneW: okis, I'll follow jsgotangco lead (again) | 02:32 |
| ogra | heh | 02:32 |
| JaneW | mhz: super thanks | 02:32 |
| === JaneW wants the edubuntu children of the world background finished | ||
| ogra | juliux, that can wait until after release, we have some release critical things first ;) | 02:33 |
| JaneW | can we use it as is if we have to? | 02:33 |
| juliux | hmpf | 02:33 |
| ogra | why not | 02:33 |
| JaneW | it is a bit too bright and busy I'll admit, it would be better adjusted | 02:33 |
| flint | edubuntugirl somebody is making this up... | 02:33 |
| JaneW | unless someone wants to creat some new and wonderful designs | 02:33 |
| JaneW | flint: NOT handicapped ducks though | 02:33 |
| ogra | i'd be fine with using it | 02:34 |
| === JaneW too | ||
| === mhz has no clue what you are talking about.... tooo many days off the team, so it seems. | ||
| ogra | its a bit small though | 02:34 |
| JaneW | oic | 02:34 |
| ogra | (1024x786) | 02:34 |
| === JaneW looks for link | ||
| flint | JaneW, harsh, very harsh ( god i love that duck! \:^) | 02:34 |
| === mhz loves JaneW once more ;) | ||
| ogra | but smalle pics are eating less space :) | 02:34 |
| JaneW | http://art.ubuntu.com/backgrounds/edubuntu/76 | 02:34 |
| JaneW | ogra: is it not resizable? | 02:35 |
| JaneW | in all it;s glory http://art.ubuntu.com/images/backgrounds/Edubuntu-Children_Of_Edubuntu_1024x768.png | 02:35 |
| ogra | sure it is, but scaling up looses quality | 02:35 |
| JaneW | flint: it may make him blind, but jelkner can't complain about lack of diversity there.... | 02:36 |
| mhz | toxi... is TOOO much "in your face" | 02:36 |
| ogra | having the svg and exporting it at 1600x1200 would be better | 02:36 |
| === jsgotangco trolls on the wallpaper..she's to chinky eyed! | ||
| JaneW | ok I'll mail the creator again, and see if I can get him to respond | 02:36 |
| === mhz has troubles understanding why people do not upload "source files" (svg?) | ||
| flint | JaneW, I kinda like the "Its A Small World After All" (IASWAA) theme of it. | 02:36 |
| ogra | jsgotangco, yes, and there is not *one* blue kid among them !! | 02:36 |
| spacey | thats an awful wallpaper | 02:36 |
| === JaneW kicks jsgotangco in the shin - don't start! | ||
| ogra | spacey, thats fine for the kids theme ... we wont use it by default | 02:37 |
| JaneW | spacey: get a better one then | 02:37 |
| JaneW | yes please note this is not for the default install | 02:37 |
| flint | jsgotangco, everyone is a critic. Ars Gratia Artes... | 02:37 |
| mhz | ogra: jsgotangco , heheheh | 02:37 |
| spacey | i have no creative/art talent unfortunately :P | 02:37 |
| JaneW | it's for the younger look option | 02:37 |
| ogra | spacey, but you work in a school ... poke your arts teacher ;) | 02:38 |
| mhz | JaneW: so default will be...? | 02:38 |
| ogra | mhz, NN | 02:38 |
| JaneW | spacey: how old are the kids there? | 02:38 |
| flint | jsgotangco, if we are going to get critical that tree in the back is pretty phalic... :^) | 02:38 |
| mhz | NN? | 02:38 |
| JaneW | spacey: are you involved with little kids or older students only? | 02:38 |
| ogra | not nominated | 02:38 |
| spacey | ogra: uh 4-16 | 02:38 |
| jsgotangco | flint: hahaha | 02:38 |
| spacey | primary school | 02:38 |
| jsgotangco | flint: and bushy | 02:38 |
| JaneW | spacey: cool, well please can you show the pic to some of them and get some responses and feedback | 02:38 |
| spacey | with some special education | 02:38 |
| ogra | spacey, perfect ! | 02:39 |
| JaneW | i.e. do they love or hate it | 02:39 |
| spacey | JaneW: sure can | 02:39 |
| JaneW | we need something that appeals to 6-10 year olds | 02:39 |
| spacey | are there more pics then the happy rainbow one? | 02:39 |
| flint | I want to take up a collection to get the white kid and the asian girl eyes... | 02:39 |
| ogra | nope, not yet | 02:39 |
| JaneW | and crosses gender, culture and language borders etc | 02:39 |
| ogra | we should probably do a call on the ML | 02:39 |
| JaneW | spacey: not at the moment, but you can show them our original edubuntu girl too | 02:39 |
| spacey | i have the feeling there are no artistic souls at the school we use edubuntu | 02:39 |
| spacey | JaneW: they already know that one | 02:40 |
| JaneW | this is all we have so far http://art.ubuntu.com/backgrounds/edubuntu/ | 02:40 |
| flint | JaneW, the real question is not whether it will appeal to a bunch of geeks (no offense intended :^) but if this art will appeal to teachers and students... | 02:40 |
| spacey | i like that one :) | 02:40 |
| JaneW | we'd welcome more submissions though | 02:40 |
| jsgotangco | they seem to use macs | 02:40 |
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| JaneW | ok so everyone show artwork to ppl, and get responses and or submissions of better stuff | 02:41 |
| jsgotangco | what happened to consigned artwork? | 02:41 |
| spacey | argh art.ubuntu.com doesn't work with lunchpad logins? | 02:41 |
| JaneW | we don;t want more articles saying 'nice distro, sucky wall paper' | 02:41 |
| jsgotangco | spacey: aye, we're slimy bastards | 02:41 |
| JaneW | alhtough to be honest I think edubuntu girl is the strongest part of our identity now, so I stand by that decision still! | 02:42 |
| JaneW | we will have a professionally designed wallpaper for the default install | 02:42 |
| JaneW | we haven;t seen it yet | 02:42 |
| spacey | i like edubuntu girl wallpaper | 02:42 |
| jsgotangco | JaneW: try the current ubuntu wallpaper heh | 02:42 |
| spacey | jsgotangco: that one sucks imo :) | 02:43 |
| jsgotangco | it has a nice jigsaw puzzle | 02:43 |
| JaneW | jsgotangco: I haven't seen it... | 02:43 |
| flint | JaneW, I am so glad that art is not my department... | 02:43 |
| jsgotangco | spacey: you'll have to thank dholbach's brother for that :) | 02:43 |
| === JaneW will put my son's latest drawing up. I asked him to draw a picture of his holiday | ||
| JaneW | and he produced a pencil drawing of him vomiting spectacularly. Clearly that's his current strongest memeory ;) | 02:44 |
| flint | JaneW, where send a url. | 02:44 |
| spacey | :> | 02:44 |
| JaneW | fun | 02:44 |
| ogra | can we get it as a wallpaper ? | 02:44 |
| jsgotangco | i approve fully of your son then | 02:44 |
| JaneW | ok let's see if we can more of an artwork pool to draw from (pun intended) | 02:45 |
| flint | jsgotangco, got my vote... | 02:45 |
| JaneW | so if you know anyone creative start nagging them | 02:45 |
| ogra | JaneW, mailing list :) | 02:45 |
| JaneW | you can e-mail the stuff to me if you don't want to log into art.u.c.... | 02:45 |
| === jsgotangco is pretty good at 5 minute gimp jobs that look like processed mustard | ||
| JaneW | jsgotangco: so is ogra! | 02:45 |
| JaneW | :P | 02:45 |
| ogra | haha | 02:45 |
| JaneW | ok what else? | 02:46 |
| JaneW | we have a cookbook meeting following this | 02:46 |
| jsgotangco | yeah don't go to the art.u.c route its too much pain at the moment | 02:46 |
| JaneW | we could stay here if the flow is good and we are not in the way | 02:47 |
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| JaneW | else it will be in #edubuntu-cookbook | 02:47 |
| ogra | there is a xubuntu meeting in 1h | 02:47 |
| JaneW | jsgotangco: I have an admin login on art.u.c afaik, so I can post stuff there, we might as well use it... | 02:47 |
| mhz | JaneW: sorry I was on phone.. JaneW any of your kids near 6-10 years old? | 02:47 |
| jsgotangco | JaneW: so do i but approval is a pain | 02:47 |
| ogra | but i'd really prefer to use a public and logged channel | 02:47 |
| JaneW | ogra: ok let's stick to #e-cookbook | 02:48 |
| JaneW | jsgotangco: yes both. 4 and 6 | 02:48 |
| juliux | if somebody wants to come to the linuxtag www.linuxtag.org in wiesbaden/germany, i have 57 onedaytickets for free! | 02:48 |
| ogra | cant we just do it in #edubuntu ? | 02:48 |
| JaneW | jsgotangco: so I have testers right here | 02:48 |
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| JaneW | ogra: I suppose, but then we will be in the way of ppl asking support questions | 02:48 |
| ogra | *doesnt | 02:49 |
| jsgotangco | linuxtag! | 02:49 |
| juliux | ogra, sure ? ;) | 02:49 |
| ogra | JaneW, we can bear that | 02:49 |
| mhz | JaneW: so, could ask them what things they like to see in a background or something like that? I will ask my kids too (4 and 9) | 02:49 |
| ogra | juliux, not really :) | 02:49 |
| JaneW | mhz: yes | 02:49 |
| mhz | juliux: I do! | 02:49 |
| flint | mhz, that is a good idea. | 02:49 |
| ogra | JaneW, i'd just like to be able to look up what we talked about in 3 months | 02:50 |
| juliux | mhz, you are coming to germany? | 02:50 |
| JaneW | however my oldest son (of vomit picture) skews the stats | 02:50 |
| JaneW | I showed him edubuntu-mustard vs edubuntu-girl and he liked the MUSTARD! | 02:50 |
| ogra | yay! | 02:50 |
| jsgotangco | lol | 02:50 |
| JaneW | *shakes head* | 02:50 |
| jsgotangco | i would like to say your son has... | 02:50 |
| ogra | mustard for *all* OSes !!!! | 02:50 |
| jsgotangco | excellent taste? | 02:50 |
| Seveas | maybe he's just in the i-hate-girls phase | 02:50 |
| mhz | juliux: nope...sorry, I is just that I'd love to go. Esp. because we are having a big event on June here in chile and would like some to get extra ideas | 02:51 |
| JaneW | Seveas: you may be right :) | 02:51 |
| ogra | microsoft mustard, the successor of vista ! | 02:51 |
| jsgotangco | are we continuing here? | 02:51 |
| ogra | lets make the room free for xubuntu ... | 02:52 |
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| mhz | JaneW: hehehehehe, sure that happens, that is why we need more kids to see. Actually, I can talk to a junior teacher (for 3 to 5 years old kids) about it too. No worry, we'll get to a solution. | 02:52 |
| JaneW | great thanks | 02:52 |
| JaneW | ok next week please bring your art projects with you :) | 02:53 |
| JaneW | anything else? | 02:53 |
| JaneW | does anyone else want to speak? | 02:53 |
| jsgotangco | my 4 year old doesn't even see the difference she sees the logo its all ubuntu for her | 02:53 |
| ogra | juliux seem to have opened the edubuntu marketing team :) | 02:53 |
| JaneW | else break for coffee for 5 mins | 02:53 |
| juliux | ogra, if you mean | 02:53 |
| Florob | While that is not the reason I was hear I have a suggestion (but maybe that's more appropriate for ML or whishlist bug) | 02:53 |
| ogra | we have a wonderful concept with real prices etc (sorry, german): http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Edubuntu/Konzept | 02:53 |
| juliux | *grummel* | 02:54 |
| mhz | JaneW: what if we took pictures of kids at schools. Could we use these pictures for backgrounds? | 02:54 |
| ogra | (a draft indeed) | 02:54 |
| ogra | juliux, ? | 02:54 |
| jsgotangco | wow | 02:54 |
| Kinnison | mhz: You'd have to get signed waivers from the parents of every kid involved | 02:54 |
| jsgotangco | an all-in one package | 02:54 |
| Hobbsee | i'm kind of wishing i was still at school now - school is thinking of making a computer lab of computers with suse on them... | 02:54 |
| ogra | jsgotangco, yep | 02:54 |
| juliux | ogra, it isnt ready | 02:54 |
| jsgotangco | ogra: that's nice... | 02:54 |
| juliux | in the next days i will do it with old pc as clients | 02:55 |
| ogra | juliux, but announcing it will help ghetting it in other languages with other local prices ;) | 02:55 |
| juliux | and with dualcore server | 02:55 |
| mhz | Kinnison: sure. Maybe we could have a series of pictures of kids of diff ages, so we get diff backgrounds in a series. | 02:55 |
| juliux | ogra, its ok | 02:55 |
| ogra | juliux, it would be a nice to have for all common regions :) | 02:55 |
| mhz | JaneW: what if we made a contest. "send us your class pictures and probaby get backgrounded for edubuntu distro" ? | 02:55 |
| juliux | ogra, that is a lof of wark | 02:55 |
| juliux | work | 02:55 |
| juliux | lot | 02:55 |
| ogra | so if someone wants to do the same, see juliux' draft | 02:56 |
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| ogra | juliux, i didnt say *you* should do it ;) | 02:56 |
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| juliux | ogra, i know | 02:56 |
| ogra | ok, coffebrak | 02:56 |
| ogra | *break | 02:56 |
| mhz | JaneW: ? | 02:56 |
| mhz | .oO(she must be getting a coffee and a muffin) | 02:57 |
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| highvoltage | JaneW: no :( | 02:59 |
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| freeflying | ogra: anything relate with CJK need we do ? | 03:01 |
| freeflying | ogra: in edubuntu | 03:01 |
| ogra | no idea, i have no feedback at all from CJK users yet | 03:01 |
| JaneW | I'm back | 03:01 |
| JaneW | where are we going? | 03:01 |
| ogra | (no bugs but also no success reports) | 03:01 |
| === ogra votes for #edubuntu | ||
| freeflying | ogra: how about the difault font in edubuntu | 03:02 |
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| freeflying | s/difault/default | 03:02 |
| ogra | freeflying, ah, damned i forgot about that, we'll need to change it, it has utf8 issues | 03:02 |
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| ogra | the "normal" fonts are the same as in ubuntu (we cut down the amount of shipped fonts but the defauklt is the same) | 03:03 |
| ogra | we only differ in the default desktop font | 03:03 |
| freeflying | ogra: how about use one chinese font, drop out the exist four | 03:04 |
| JaneW | mhz: nice idea | 03:05 |
| JaneW | ok cookbook meeting in #edubuntu now | 03:05 |
| ogra | freeflying, we have <200K free space on the CD would that fit ? | 03:05 |
| freeflying | ogra: where is the seeds of edubuntu | 03:06 |
| ogra | same place as the seeds of ubuntu | 03:06 |
| ogra | in colins home on people.u.c | 03:06 |
| freeflying | ogra: now only need keep ttf-arphic-uming | 03:07 |
| freeflying | ogra: you may grop ttf-arphic-ukai out | 03:07 |
| freeflying | s/grop/drop out | 03:07 |
| ogra | ok | 03:08 |
| ogra | that should gain us some space i guess | 03:08 |
| freeflying | hope will save some space for edubuntu | 03:08 |
| ogra | yeah :) | 03:08 |
| bur[n] er | doh, i'm late! | 03:23 |
| Gloubiboulga | bur[n] er, non non :) | 03:23 |
| Gloubiboulga | s/non/no/g | 03:23 |
| bur[n] er | cool, in that case, has anyone else seen the issue where you can't get the gtk theme away from orange... no matter what theme I pick, my titlebar stays orange... i think it happened when i installed kubuntu | 03:24 |
| bur[n] er | er... i'm referring to xubuntu, not edubuntu | 03:24 |
| Gloubiboulga | bur[n] er, please report the bug on malone :) | 03:25 |
| nomed | bur[n] er, $HOME/.gtkrc-2.0 ? | 03:25 |
| bur[n] er | well, i don't wanna produce a crappy bug report... i'm not sure what causes it] | 03:25 |
| bur[n] er | nomed: i have that file... i suppose it could be the cause, but gtk isn't b0rked in gnome | 03:26 |
| nomed | bur[n] er, what's the path of include "?" | 03:26 |
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| bur[n] er | /usr/share/themes/Human/gtk-2.0/gtkrc | 03:27 |
| bur[n] er | is that my problem you think? | 03:27 |
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| nomed | possible | 03:28 |
| bur[n] er | this is minor anyway... i wanted to put the idea of changing the xfce icon theme out there since "rodent" is fugly ;) | 03:28 |
| janimo | hi all | 03:29 |
| Gloubiboulga | bur[n] er, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XubuntuMeetingAgenda << we'll discuss this :) | 03:29 |
| nomed | bur[n] er, we'll discuss it in a while :) | 03:29 |
| janimo | the changing of icon theme from rodent is planned | 03:29 |
| Gloubiboulga | hi Jani | 03:29 |
| janimo | shall we start now? | 03:29 |
| nomed | hi janimo Gloubiboulga | 03:29 |
| Gloubiboulga | yep | 03:29 |
| nomed | i'm ready | 03:29 |
| janimo | ok 1)xarchiver | 03:29 |
| nomed | ok | 03:29 |
| janimo | just saw a mail on xfce-devel | 03:29 |
| janimo | they are heavily rewriting it seems | 03:30 |
| janimo | I wonder if it will be ready on time | 03:30 |
| nomed | janimo, yes | 03:30 |
| nomed | but even improving it | 03:30 |
| nomed | they'll not use glade file anymore for ex | 03:30 |
| janimo | any ETA? | 03:30 |
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| Meyer | eheheh | 03:30 |
| nomed | janimo, now it doesn't depend on "old" upstreamers .. | 03:31 |
| nomed | well just on them | 03:31 |
| janimo | "old"? | 03:31 |
| janimo | what is new now? | 03:31 |
| nomed | janimo, yes ... there are 2 more | 03:31 |
| janimo | when do you think we could package it? | 03:31 |
| nomed | one is fixing the gui | 03:31 |
| janimo | if they get it ready in a month it may be too late for dapper :( | 03:32 |
| nomed | janimo, they told me last week .. | 03:32 |
| nomed | janimo, i know | 03:32 |
| janimo | I'd have prefrerred a fixed 0.3.x release | 03:32 |
| nomed | i'm waitin an answer from upstreamer | 03:32 |
| janimo | so we can package/review/main/CD | 03:32 |
| nomed | janimo, me too | 03:32 |
| janimo | I think I'll upload 0.3.9 you packaged last time | 03:32 |
| janimo | so we go in parallel with reviewing | 03:33 |
| nomed | as soon as they'll answer i'll send a mail to xubuntu-devel | 03:33 |
| janimo | or do they rewrite it all? | 03:33 |
| janimo | ok thanks | 03:33 |
| nomed | janimo, that would be the best i guess | 03:33 |
| janimo | what they seem to be doing now is optimising | 03:33 |
| janimo | xarchiver already seemed pretty fast and useful | 03:33 |
| nomed | yes | 03:33 |
| janimo | ok 2)icon theme | 03:34 |
| janimo | any news from tango artists? | 03:34 |
| janimo | tango is now in main we could just make that default and be done | 03:34 |
| nomed | janimo, he's working on some icons | 03:34 |
| nomed | janimo, i think we can have a complete xubuntu-tango icons theme | 03:35 |
| bur[n] er | i'm all for tango as the default :) it was the compelling reason to be here this morning | 03:35 |
| janimo | nomed, ETA? | 03:35 |
| nomed | but as i'm not the one workin on it ... i can just report what he told me | 03:35 |
| janimo | yes, but we should know how to plan as we are getting short on time | 03:35 |
| nomed | janimo, "soon" | 03:35 |
| nomed | janimo, i know | 03:36 |
| janimo | most changes going into xubuntu are getting as restricted as the rest if we want a quality release | 03:36 |
| nomed | but we can't do anything more then wait | 03:36 |
| janimo | that's what canonical wants too, so we cannot keep on adding features sadly :) | 03:36 |
| nomed | and use ROdent in case it'll not be ready | 03:36 |
| bur[n] er | even tango-icon-theme package as it stands now is better than rodent | 03:37 |
| janimo | nomed, well I'll add tango to default install anyway | 03:37 |
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| janimo | nomed, defaut tangoi is surely better no than rodent? | 03:37 |
| nomed | yes | 03:37 |
| janimo | so I'll add that | 03:37 |
| nomed | janimo, what i'll do is to create links to missing icon names | 03:37 |
| nomed | in case new icons will not be ready .. | 03:37 |
| nomed | i checked it and most of the icons are already there | 03:38 |
| janimo | do you know of icons in tango-icon-theme which are missing for xfce? | 03:38 |
| nomed | if you do not consider xfce4-terminal pref icons for ex | 03:38 |
| janimo | is that not app specific? | 03:38 |
| janimo | as long as we have a consistent and complete icon theme I'm content | 03:39 |
| nomed | http://foo-projects.org/~jasper/ICONTHEMES | 03:39 |
| nomed | janimo, mainly it's just a problem of creating links to existing icons .. | 03:39 |
| nomed | as most of them have just different names | 03:39 |
| nomed | if not all .. | 03:40 |
| janimo | ok | 03:40 |
| janimo | do we need to create this is the tango icon package? | 03:40 |
| janimo | taking it up with upstream tango? | 03:40 |
| janimo | or solved within xfce somehow? | 03:40 |
| nomed | janimo, two ways | 03:41 |
| janimo | the icons I noticed missing are suspend hibernate | 03:41 |
| nomed | 1) send patches to upstreamers .. as | 03:41 |
| nomed | icons and missing icon-naming entry in the "spec" | 03:41 |
| nomed | 2) have the xubuntu icons theme including just those icons | 03:42 |
| nomed | janimo, i'll ask to lapo | 03:42 |
| nomed | and i'll try to get him here for next meeting | 03:42 |
| janimo | 2) should matter for upstream xfce I guess | 03:42 |
| janimo | so for 1) there are icon names in xfce which may have to get into the naming spec right? | 03:43 |
| nomed | it would be better yes | 03:43 |
| nomed | but not needed | 03:43 |
| nomed | janimo, i would just be able to use inkscape | 03:44 |
| nomed | really | 03:44 |
| nomed | :) | 03:44 |
| janimo | do you think it's hard to convince tango upstream? | 03:44 |
| janimo | or why do we have to consider our own package? | 03:44 |
| nomed | janimo, well ... | 03:44 |
| nomed | better to consider our own | 03:45 |
| janimo | xfce upstreams position should matter on this, I am not clear about it | 03:45 |
| nomed | and see if it'll be possible to include them in tango if posible | 03:45 |
| nomed | janimo, benny told me he would be happy to have xfce icons included in those specs | 03:46 |
| nomed | but there are too much variables here | 03:46 |
| nomed | xfce upsrteamer .. | 03:46 |
| nomed | tango and spec upstreamer | 03:46 |
| nomed | xubuntu artist | 03:46 |
| janimo | we should not be a variable here, just use best of what upstreams agreed upon | 03:46 |
| nomed | at this stage we should take care of xubuntu-icons | 03:47 |
| janimo | xubuntu artist should do additional not replacement work | 03:47 |
| nomed | yes | 03:47 |
| janimo | well but if they are not ready we cannot do that :) | 03:47 |
| nomed | janimo, the additional work could be then included into official releases .. | 03:48 |
| nomed | of spec and icons | 03:48 |
| nomed | as the artist is involved in tango proj | 03:48 |
| janimo | yes, that's what I am saying, but included so we can use it. not after we include it | 03:48 |
| janimo | which icons are we missing do you have a list? | 03:48 |
| janimo | that link above? | 03:49 |
| nomed | that's one link yes | 03:49 |
| nomed | and here the one other .. | 03:49 |
| nomed | http://www.dsslive.org/mediawiki/index.php/Roadmap-0.3-1:XfceTheme | 03:49 |
| nomed | janimo, mainly there are those two you told | 03:50 |
| janimo | suspend/hibernate? | 03:50 |
| nomed | yes | 03:51 |
| nomed | and one icon for the pager | 03:51 |
| nomed | and taskbar too if i'm not wrong | 03:51 |
| janimo | we won't make a new icon package just for 3 icons?! :) | 03:51 |
| nomed | janimo, no that's sure :) | 03:51 |
| janimo | panel plugin icons? | 03:51 |
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| nomed | janimo, yep | 03:51 |
| Gloubiboulga | there's a lot of missing icons for the plugins | 03:52 |
| janimo | suspend/hibernate will probably be local to xfce4-session since the other icons in the dialog are there so that's checked | 03:52 |
| nomed | but from what i've understood those icons are needed even for other DMs | 03:52 |
| nomed | Gloubiboulga, yep .. | 03:52 |
| janimo | Gloubiboulga: yes, or more likely their desktop file does not reference them | 03:52 |
| janimo | susp/hib is not in the spec now so it definitely post dapper anyway | 03:52 |
| nomed | but taskbar and pager could be considered as general DMs icons | 03:52 |
| nomed | more then apps icons | 03:52 |
| janimo | app specific ones we solve in apps | 03:53 |
| janimo | nomed, where do taskbar and pager need to show up? so I can check what we are missing now | 03:53 |
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| janimo | jsgotangco: this is not edubuntu :) | 03:53 |
| janimo | you have to wiggle your mouse tail | 03:54 |
| jsgotangco | heh just one quick Q | 03:54 |
| janimo | to conform to _our_ logo :) | 03:54 |
| jsgotangco | janimo: are you still going to derive gnome-app-install? | 03:54 |
| nomed | janimo, i'm refering to icons that are in Settings manager | 03:54 |
| janimo | jsgotangco: if someone gets to do it maybe | 03:54 |
| janimo | are you pro or con? | 03:54 |
| nomed | janimo, those icons are hardcoded somehow ... | 03:54 |
| jsgotangco | janimo: ok if its get done, ping me up i'll update the help files | 03:54 |
| nomed | we'll need to patch it i guess .. | 03:54 |
| janimo | nomed, oh yes those need fixing | 03:54 |
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| janimo | jsgotangco: you need it for documenting it? | 03:55 |
| nomed | they use just icons from hicolor theme | 03:55 |
| nomed | if i'm not wrong | 03:55 |
| jsgotangco | janimo: change strings too if needed | 03:55 |
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| janimo | jsgotangco: ok then. I'll see to it.it should be easier to do than update-manager | 03:55 |
| janimo | jsgotangco: thanks | 03:56 |
| jsgotangco | oh yeah | 03:56 |
| jsgotangco | janimo: its the start of the holidays so plenty of time to look into such | 03:56 |
| janimo | :) | 03:56 |
| jsgotangco | on my side | 03:56 |
| janimo | nomed, those icons in settings manager need to be bugs against that package upstream if they do not work | 03:57 |
| janimo | so they make fallback for them or correct the paths | 03:57 |
| janimo | I noticed preferred apps does not have icon here | 03:57 |
| freeflying | sorry , who is incharge of xubuntu's seed | 03:57 |
| janimo | freeflying: me | 03:57 |
| freeflying | janimo: do you hae anyproblem with cd space ? | 03:58 |
| janimo | yes, too much free space | 03:58 |
| janimo | :) | 03:58 |
| freeflying | s/hae/have | 03:58 |
| nomed | janimo, it's because that icons ahs been removed from tango icon theme .. | 03:58 |
| nomed | if you're using it | 03:58 |
| freeflying | janimo: then , okey | 03:58 |
| nomed | benny is the only one using the spec | 03:58 |
| janimo | nomed, recently? | 03:58 |
| nomed | not really | 03:58 |
| janimo | freeflying: what do you want to suggest for the CD? | 03:58 |
| nomed | but that icon exists .. we'll need just to add it again .. | 03:59 |
| freeflying | janimo: I worried about the space firstly , now It's okey | 03:59 |
| janimo | nomed, they must have had a reason to remove it? | 03:59 |
| nomed | janimo, sure .. but i do not know | 03:59 |
| janimo | freeflying: we're at 435M out of 650-700 so we're doing well | 03:59 |
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| janimo | will probably add more stuff | 04:00 |
| nomed | it was the package-manager icon | 04:00 |
| janimo | nomed, is that icon present in rodent? | 04:00 |
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| freeflying | janimo: then add language-pack for zh_CN :) | 04:00 |
| nomed | janimo, i do not think | 04:00 |
| nomed | it was in the old spec | 04:01 |
| janimo | freeflying: sure. We'll add many language packs, right now is whatever I merged from ubuntu seeds. | 04:01 |
| janimo | Do ubuntu not ship zh_CN on CD? | 04:01 |
| freeflying | janimo: not support-pack | 04:01 |
| janimo | freeflying: do chinese users need OOo too ? | 04:01 |
| nomed | janimo, are u sure it's not in exo pkge ? | 04:02 |
| freeflying | janimo: ya, | 04:02 |
| freeflying | janimo: you wanna use OOo in xubuntu ? | 04:02 |
| janimo | nomed, did not look | 04:02 |
| nomed | http://svn.xfce.org/svn/xfce/libexo/trunk/icons/48x48/preferences-desktop-default-applications.png | 04:02 |
| nomed | janimo, yes it is | 04:02 |
| nomed | malone ? :) | 04:03 |
| nomed | it was just a concidence :) | 04:03 |
| janimo | nomed, so why does setting dialog not pick it up? | 04:03 |
| janimo | freeflying: not installing OO by default, but since there is space on the CD it will probably be shipped. | 04:04 |
| freeflying | janimo: why not goffice | 04:04 |
| nomed | janimo, i think you forgot to install it | 04:04 |
| janimo | since I understood that it's the only office that has decent asian langiage support | 04:04 |
| janimo | nomed, oh in that case cool I'll fix it | 04:05 |
| janimo | :) | 04:05 |
| nomed | ehehe | 04:05 |
| janimo | freeflying: we install abiword by default | 04:05 |
| janimo | and hopefully gnumeric too soon | 04:05 |
| janimo | but I understood they do not handle well at least the Indian languages | 04:06 |
| freeflying | janimo: if I decide , I will use koffice , :) ,but it's xubuntu | 04:06 |
| freeflying | janimo: same for Chinese | 04:06 |
| janimo | freeflying: so we install goffice because it's small and probably ship OOo just in case | 04:07 |
| janimo | nomed, so the conclusion is: add tango to xubuntu default now | 04:08 |
| janimo | keep in touch with tango artist | 04:09 |
| nomed | janimo, i'll do that | 04:09 |
| janimo | ok, thanks | 04:09 |
| nomed | but i'n not the one that can use inkscape ... | 04:09 |
| janimo | I wonder if xfce upstream devs seem to use tango why do they still keep rodent as default in release | 04:09 |
| nomed | i can't promise anything ... | 04:09 |
| nomed | even if i feel i can trust that guy | 04:10 |
| janimo | nomed, why do you need to use inkscape? :) | 04:10 |
| nomed | janimo, to tell you ... we'll have tango complete and ready for xubuntu | 04:10 |
| nomed | :) | 04:10 |
| nomed | but i can't | 04:10 |
| janimo | ah, np | 04:10 |
| janimo | I think we will have it complete but maybe not too shiny | 04:10 |
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| janimo | tango-icon-them + fixes in our apps shoukld be enough | 04:11 |
| nomed | yep .. i think so | 04:11 |
| bur[n] er | == leaps and bounds better than rodent ;) | 04:11 |
| janimo | we just have to avoid missing/broken incons | 04:11 |
| janimo | I prefer the gnome/human icon theme I think :) | 04:11 |
| janimo | at least for the showdesktop icon | 04:11 |
| janimo | that;s the only one I am sure changes between themes :) | 04:12 |
| janimo | the others I do not always notice | 04:12 |
| janimo | ok 3) color theme poll | 04:12 |
| nomed | ohhh ... | 04:12 |
| janimo | seems like blue is ok after all | 04:12 |
| nomed | this stuff is driving me crazy | 04:12 |
| nomed | janimo, yep | 04:12 |
| janimo | nomed ? | 04:12 |
| nomed | +1 for me | 04:12 |
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| nomed | janimo, it needs to be better organized | 04:13 |
| janimo | since nobody came forward with green or steel | 04:13 |
| janimo | otr anything else | 04:13 |
| janimo | nomed, one page per colour theme in the wiki | 04:13 |
| janimo | do you think something more elaborate? | 04:13 |
| janimo | hi luzi | 04:13 |
| luzi | hi guys! just finished class... | 04:13 |
| nomed | hi luzi | 04:14 |
| nomed | janimo, if we'll have a pool | 04:14 |
| nomed | we can't have wiki pages showing same stuff | 04:14 |
| nomed | i mean | 04:14 |
| janimo | poll would just link to the pages | 04:15 |
| nomed | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperXubuntuLook | 04:15 |
| nomed | luzi, has been the first one to add stuff :) | 04:15 |
| janimo | oh so steel has proponents | 04:15 |
| janimo | good | 04:15 |
| nomed | DapperXubuntLookProposalGray <-- here | 04:15 |
| nomed | if each person will have his own page i guess it could be a caos | 04:16 |
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| janimo | looks nice | 04:16 |
| nomed | in case there will be many .. | 04:16 |
| janimo | not for each person, but for each theme | 04:16 |
| nomed | luzi, me too | 04:16 |
| nomed | i like that very much | 04:16 |
| janimo | if more people want steel they have to subpoll among themselves which to put forward | 04:16 |
| janimo | I like it too | 04:16 |
| nomed | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperXubuntuColorScheme | 04:16 |
| nomed | here is what i proposed | 04:16 |
| janimo | luzi, that's enough detail I think since it gives an idea | 04:16 |
| nomed | i mean just the layout | 04:17 |
| janimo | nomed, that's good too but the attachments do not show | 04:17 |
| nomed | it 's important to have svgs too | 04:17 |
| nomed | janimo, yes .. there aren't :) | 04:17 |
| janimo | but svg or not is the same when looking at it | 04:17 |
| nomed | you have to upload them | 04:17 |
| janimo | we just want to see how they'd look | 04:17 |
| janimo | ah ok | 04:17 |
| janimo | ah ok, so this starting page and then link to the detailed pages as the steel one | 04:18 |
| janimo | seems ok to me | 04:18 |
| luzi | so when are we going to have the vote? | 04:18 |
| janimo | nomed, would you announce this on the list? | 04:18 |
| nomed | janimo, i did it already | 04:19 |
| janimo | luzi, we should decide now when to vote | 04:19 |
| nomed | but i guess it 's better if you do that :D | 04:19 |
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| janimo | nomed, ok not read it yet | 04:19 |
| janimo | so let's give a few days for people to propose themes | 04:19 |
| janimo | then have a voting for a few days | 04:19 |
| nomed | janimo, one i wouldn't be heavy ... | 04:19 |
| nomed | but .. | 04:20 |
| janimo | heavy? | 04:20 |
| nomed | we need at least one svg image of the logo | 04:20 |
| nomed | so people can work on the same | 04:20 |
| janimo | nomed, I see | 04:20 |
| janimo | do we not have the original mouse in SVG? | 04:20 |
| nomed | janimo, here is the point | 04:20 |
| nomed | no | 04:20 |
| luzi | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XubuntuArtwork?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=xubuntu_logo.svgz | 04:20 |
| janimo | although I think a png can be modified just as fine | 04:20 |
| nomed | does it work for you ? | 04:20 |
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| nomed | janimo, umm | 04:21 |
| janimo | broken link here | 04:21 |
| nomed | let's say or gimp image or svg | 04:21 |
| janimo | it's gzipped probbaly that;s why | 04:21 |
| janimo | nomed, I am fine with any | 04:21 |
| luzi | firefox tries to display it as xml, that's why. just save to file. | 04:22 |
| janimo | I assumed people who know these tools can work with anything | 04:22 |
| janimo | especially if it's only colour changes not anything more elaborate | 04:22 |
| janimo | luzi, what image is the steel logo based on? | 04:22 |
| janimo | svg? | 04:23 |
| janimo | gray I mean | 04:23 |
| luzi | the link i just gave | 04:23 |
| nomed | luzi, thanks now i got it | 04:23 |
| janimo | ok | 04:23 |
| janimo | there's also an usplash needed | 04:23 |
| nomed | luzi, could you attach it to that page | 04:23 |
| nomed | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperXubuntuColorScheme | 04:23 |
| janimo | it would be better imho if all colour variants used the same images otherwise | 04:24 |
| janimo | so the difference is not in other elements | 04:24 |
| janimo | how does that sound? | 04:24 |
| janimo | it may be that some things only 'work' with some colours I don;t know | 04:24 |
| nomed | janimo, sure | 04:24 |
| nomed | that's the way in my opinion | 04:24 |
| luzi | fine with me | 04:25 |
| nomed | to use same "patterns" and hex colors | 04:25 |
| janimo | anyway later on with wallpapers people have more freedom | 04:25 |
| janimo | we need to see how the logo/usplash/gdm theme looks | 04:25 |
| janimo | luzi, so with an usplash that entry could be complete | 04:25 |
| luzi | i'll try to get a usplash for "gray" done | 04:26 |
| janimo | luzi, thanks | 04:26 |
| nomed | i liked luzi colors since the beginning | 04:26 |
| nomed | i could already vote for it i guess | 04:26 |
| janimo | OT: btw does anyone else remember if in xfce 4.2 you could change kb shortcuts | 04:26 |
| janimo | now they are greyed out | 04:26 |
| luzi | they are not really my colors, i took them from the xfce.org page | 04:26 |
| janimo | I asked on xfce-dev but no answer yet | 04:27 |
| nomed | janimo, yes you could | 04:27 |
| janimo | nomed, and now it does not work right? | 04:27 |
| nomed | modify the default and save it with a different name | 04:27 |
| nomed | janimo, there was a discussion about this | 04:27 |
| janimo | nomed, but in 4.2 it used to be easier | 04:27 |
| janimo | nomed, oh on the list? | 04:27 |
| nomed | yes | 04:27 |
| nomed | xfce-dev | 04:27 |
| janimo | hmm I must have missed it | 04:27 |
| nomed | they decided to use a different approach | 04:27 |
| nomed | but i do not like that much how it is now | 04:28 |
| janimo | do you have some pointers (time period, subhect) | 04:28 |
| janimo | nomed, we will vote in LP officially even if you know you choose the gray :) | 04:29 |
| nomed | ehehe | 04:29 |
| nomed | Shortcut plugin 4.4 | 04:30 |
| nomed | Subj ... | 04:30 |
| janimo | nomed, ok thanks | 04:30 |
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| nomed | if that's what you meant | 04:30 |
| janimo | jsgotangco: is about ubuntu final now in doc svn? | 04:30 |
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| janimo | I saw today browser-startpage got removed/renamed | 04:31 |
| Gloubiboulga | janimo, I have to go, is there something else we should discuss? | 04:32 |
| janimo | Gloubiboulga: no | 04:32 |
| Gloubiboulga | ok | 04:32 |
| janimo | see you later, bye | 04:32 |
| nomed | bye Gloubiboulga | 04:32 |
| jsgotangco | janimo: yes its already in rosetta | 04:32 |
| Gloubiboulga | I'll be back monday... | 04:32 |
| Gloubiboulga | cu | 04:32 |
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| jsgotangco | jsgotangco: i could fork it and create something for xubuntu if you want to | 04:33 |
| janimo | luzi, xubuntu about should be close to ready for rosetta right? | 04:33 |
| janimo | jsgotangco: thanks | 04:33 |
| jsgotangco | ahh someone alreayd doing it | 04:33 |
| janimo | jsgotangco: I think luzi has something alreday based on that | 04:33 |
| jsgotangco | cheers | 04:33 |
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| janimo | ok, anything else? | 04:33 |
| luzi | i didn't do anything to the browser-startpage. i think it could use a few changes. | 04:34 |
| janimo | luzi, I saw that was renamed in ubuntu to about-ubuntu I think | 04:35 |
| janimo | luzi, yes it;s the original doc written when a guide was not planned. it's there since breezy | 04:36 |
| nomed | any idea for xubuntu.org ? | 04:36 |
| luzi | ok, have to check about-ubuntu when i get home | 04:36 |
| nomed | and it would be nice to be here too | 04:37 |
| nomed | http://art.ubuntu.com/ .. | 04:37 |
| janimo | luzi, thanks | 04:37 |
| janimo | nomed, good point I was about to bring that up | 04:37 |
| janimo | we need someone to make the page | 04:37 |
| janimo | anything minimal but decent | 04:37 |
| nomed | janimo, should it be just a css hack ? | 04:38 |
| janimo | and get the webmaster access to the canonical server which hosts it | 04:38 |
| janimo | nomed, quite possibly I am very clueless wrt web authoring | 04:38 |
| janimo | s/wrt/also wrt/ ;) | 04:38 |
| janimo | nomed, I think a plone skin is what they say | 04:39 |
| janimo | I see kubuntu and edubuntu have quite an identity | 04:39 |
| janimo | we could but later on | 04:39 |
| janimo | it would b great if for beta (20 Apr) we had xubuntu.org pointing to something similar to the firefox startpage at leats | 04:39 |
| nomed | janimo, it looks just a modified css .. | 04:40 |
| janimo | with links on the side to the other ubuntus | 04:40 |
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| nomed | but bhoo | 04:40 |
| nomed | we should ask to the person who made k|edu|ubuntu | 04:41 |
| janimo | wow for art.ubuntu.com | 04:41 |
| nomed | i see sometimes they show same pages | 04:41 |
| janimo | well, anything that is not ugly and has xubuntu info on the front page would do for now | 04:41 |
| janimo | I'll inquire canonical people to see who could upload the material once we have it | 04:42 |
| nomed | janimo, it would be better to have first of all the template | 04:42 |
| janimo | nomed, do you have time/interest in this? | 04:43 |
| nomed | but mainly a person that could work on it :/ | 04:43 |
| janimo | I guess not :) | 04:43 |
| nomed | janimo, not in this period | 04:43 |
| janimo | understandable | 04:43 |
| luzi | if it's just a CSS, it would be easy | 04:44 |
| nomed | luzi, i guess it'll be | 04:44 |
| nomed | luzi, check edubuntu and kubuntu | 04:44 |
| nomed | edubuntu has something more ... | 04:44 |
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| nomed | but the template seems the same | 04:45 |
| janimo | nomed, in the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperXubuntuColorScheme page | 04:45 |
| janimo | do you have alink to the specific big page for each entry> | 04:45 |
| janimo | ? | 04:45 |
| Riddell | luzi: it's not | 04:45 |
| janimo | that'd be easier than those attachements | 04:45 |
| nomed | janimo, view ? | 04:46 |
| Riddell | it's an html file with a debian alternatives setting | 04:46 |
| luzi | Riddell, how would we go about to make our own? where to get information? | 04:46 |
| janimo | nomed, that;s only the wallpaper, I thought about the whole 'gray' entry page | 04:46 |
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| nomed | janimo, no but you have all the stuff linked in that table row | 04:47 |
| nomed | it's the same .. | 04:47 |
| Riddell | luzi: just look at the pre and post install scripts in kubuntu-docs and do something similar in the appropriate xubuntu package | 04:47 |
| janimo | nomed, I see. but more click :) | 04:47 |
| nomed | well yes | 04:47 |
| janimo | Riddell: talking about the website not the firefox about page :) | 04:47 |
| nomed | but less pages | 04:47 |
| janimo | for xubuntu.org | 04:47 |
| nomed | anyway .. i'll add a link to [Luzi] | 04:48 |
| janimo | thanks | 04:48 |
| nomed | janimo, check that page now | 04:50 |
| janimo | nomed good ;) | 04:50 |
| nomed | ok | 04:52 |
| nomed | what i'll do is to send an email as soon as i'll have more infos about xarchiver | 04:53 |
| luzi | janimo, did you see the message on xfce mailing list about people feeling uncomfortable that Xubuntu packages Xfce stuff that is not released yet? | 04:53 |
| nomed | and maybe tomorrow i'll start a page to show the needed icons ... | 04:53 |
| janimo | luzi, that;s not people generally , that's the grumpiest xfce dev | 04:53 |
| nomed | luzi, i've seen it ... and .. | 04:53 |
| nomed | that's what i was going to say :) | 04:54 |
| janimo | so I only worry about bugs we may have not the 4.3 tag on it | 04:54 |
| luzi | ok | 04:54 |
| janimo | he seems like a good guy but sometimes just behaves like that | 04:54 |
| janimo | nomed, ok wrt xarchiver | 04:55 |
| janimo | wow, bling on LP | 04:55 |
| janimo | new menus | 04:55 |
| nomed | janimo, well .. i've never seen an email by him saying .. "i'm sorry but ..." :) | 04:56 |
| janimo | nomed, deep inside everybody is a good guy/gal | 04:56 |
| janimo | :) | 04:56 |
| janimo | just does not show it | 04:56 |
| janimo | wlel maybe there are a few exceptions ;) | 04:56 |
| nomed | eheheh | 04:56 |
| nomed | ohhh launchpad now has an aqua theme :) | 04:57 |
| nomed | really nice anyway | 04:57 |
| jsgotangco | janimo: epiphany doesn't like it though | 04:57 |
| janimo | jsgotangco: does not like what? | 04:58 |
| jsgotangco | the new menu bling | 04:58 |
| jsgotangco | it extends to the whole width of the browser in epi | 04:58 |
| nomed | janimo, last question ... | 05:01 |
| janimo | aha | 05:01 |
| janimo | mgalvin: hello | 05:01 |
| nomed | why wouldn't you move gdm theme to xubuntu-artwork ? | 05:01 |
| janimo | thanks for the doc | 05:01 |
| janimo | nomed, I am willing to , it just not up in the TODO | 05:01 |
| janimo | now that ivman is not in by default default settings have less reason to live | 05:02 |
| nomed | yep | 05:02 |
| mgalvin | janimo: hi | 05:02 |
| janimo | mgalvin, answered your mail | 05:02 |
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| janimo | mgalvin: we surely want and will to help out with that | 05:02 |
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| janimo | Matt is writing a xubuntu intro as he has for ubuntu flights | 05:03 |
| mgalvin | janimo: great! thanks! :) | 05:03 |
| janimo | luzi, it probably has things in common with the desktop guide | 05:04 |
| janimo | you're both in the doc team, can collaborate :) | 05:04 |
| janimo | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XubuntuDapperBeta | 05:04 |
| mgalvin | i am going to try and make sure all the officially supported derivs have a beta tour and all future tours as well | 05:04 |
| janimo | mgalvin: nice | 05:05 |
| mgalvin | cool i will talk with luzi about it more | 05:05 |
| mgalvin | i will mail the list in a bit about it too | 05:05 |
| janimo | mgalvin: is the tour supposed to have a bird's eye view of the stuff or more task oriented? | 05:05 |
| luzi | ok, looks nice! | 05:05 |
| janimo | I guess the latter is for the guide | 05:05 |
| jsgotangco | janimo: tours are much nicer if it has user benefits instead of features | 05:06 |
| mgalvin | birds eye mostly but i do not strictly adhear to that... | 05:06 |
| mgalvin | anything very notable | 05:06 |
| mgalvin | but mostly birds eye of the desktops | 05:06 |
| jsgotangco | mgalvin: yeah like a mouse running on a spinning logo | 05:06 |
| janimo | ;) | 05:06 |
| mgalvin | :) | 05:06 |
| janimo | xfce 4.4beta1 is due next week hopefull | 05:07 |
| janimo | y | 05:07 |
| janimo | their announcement may have some notable things which can be borrowed | 05:07 |
| janimo | for other non-xfce stuff, hmm | 05:07 |
| mgalvin | cool, i will keep an eye out for it, maybe i will just subscribe to their lists later | 05:07 |
| janimo | goffice probably | 05:08 |
| janimo | mgalvin: I can send you a link unless you areinterested in duscussion there | 05:08 |
| janimo | when it is out I mean, no need to subscribe just for that | 05:08 |
| mgalvin | if you can send me a link that would be best | 05:09 |
| janimo | mgalvin: ok | 05:10 |
| luzi | is the meeting over? | 05:21 |
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| Ju | Hi all ! | 10:11 |
| Ju | Does anyone have a contact for http://behindubuntu.org/ ? Project interview fr/de have an interview of Jane Silberg | 10:13 |
| Ju | ok, it's sealne.... | 10:25 |
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