| bddebian | What does this mean:? | 12:07 |
|---|---|---|
| bddebian | debian/rules:78: warning: overriding commands for target `unpatch' | 12:07 |
| bddebian | /usr/share/dpatch/dpatch.make:34: warning: ignoring old commands for target `unpatch' | 12:07 |
| crimsun | you've made your own unpatch target in debian/rules | 12:07 |
| bddebian | Yes, do I not need to? | 12:08 |
| crimsun | I've never included any dpatch files if I'm using straight dh | 12:08 |
| bddebian | So how do I do it right? | 12:08 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: I had the same for a package I did from scratch with dpatch apply-all | 12:08 |
| crimsun | I've only modified debian/rules's patch & clean and added patch-stamp and clean-patched as in dpatch(1) | 12:09 |
| bddebian | LaserJock: That's what I wanted to do but there's no patch target | 12:09 |
| bddebian | build was: build: patch build-stamp but patch: didn't exist | 12:10 |
| bddebian | Should I do: | 12:11 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: this is what my debian/rules looks like http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12052 | 12:11 |
| bddebian | patch: patch-stamp | 12:11 |
| crimsun | please just pastebin debian/rules :) | 12:11 |
| bddebian | gah | 12:11 |
| bddebian | LaserJock: Where do you touch patch-stamp, or does dpatch apply-all do that for you? | 12:12 |
| LaserJock | yes, dpatch does it | 12:12 |
| LaserJock | I didn't know that at first and so I had a patch-stamp sitting around :( | 12:12 |
| bddebian | I still get a warning | 12:16 |
| bddebian | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12053 | 12:16 |
| LaserJock | crimsun: sorry to bug you, but do you have an idea of when you will be able to finish basic.xml? I need to coordinate some things for the translators. | 12:16 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: I always have a warning with mine too | 12:17 |
| bddebian | Bah, I hate warnings :-) | 12:18 |
| bddebian | I guess I can leave it and let the Debian maintainer deal with it :) | 12:18 |
| LaserJock | yeah, that is always a sure way to get something done ;-) | 12:19 |
| crimsun | the warning is expected if you use the dpatch.make(7) method | 12:19 |
| bddebian | Frickin' qgis takes FOREVER to build :-( | 12:19 |
| LaserJock | hmm, so with dpatch.make you are just supposed to need the rules, no commands? | 12:21 |
| crimsun | correct | 12:22 |
| crimsun | the only time you need to use dpatch {de}apply-all is the non-dpatch.make(7) way | 12:22 |
| crimsun | that's why you get a warning by using adding dpatch {de}apply-all | 12:23 |
| crimsun | s/using/ | 12:23 |
| crimsun | /g | 12:23 |
| LaserJock | hmm, well maybe somebody needs to tell dh_make that | 12:23 |
| crimsun | no, we just need to read the man pages more closely | 12:23 |
| LaserJock | yeah, that too ;-) | 12:24 |
| crimsun | it clearly states in dpatch.make(7) that you only need to change the targets to depend on patch and unpatch | 12:24 |
| LaserJock | yes, but the rules file created by dh_make includes dpatch.make and dpatch apply patch so that is somewhat misleading | 12:25 |
| crimsun | yep, nasty. | 12:25 |
| crimsun | dh_make is being deprecated in Debian | 12:25 |
| LaserJock | in favor of? | 12:25 |
| ajmitch | checkinstall | 12:25 |
| crimsun | sorry, debmake. | 12:26 |
| crimsun | <3 thinkos | 12:26 |
| crimsun | hah, checkinstall. That would...hurt. | 12:27 |
| LaserJock | debmake is to replace dh_make? | 12:27 |
| crimsun | no, debmake is being deprecated, not dh_make. | 12:27 |
| LaserJock | ok, but you said that dh_make is being depreciated | 12:28 |
| crimsun | yes, that's a thinko on my part. | 12:28 |
| LaserJock | ok, sorry | 12:28 |
| crimsun | (http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/03/msg00019.html) | 12:28 |
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| LaserJock | hmm, well I don't see a bug filed in Debian about it :/ | 12:32 |
| crimsun | you get to be the lucky bearer | 12:32 |
| LaserJock | arggh, I'll try it again. BTS hates me :( | 12:33 |
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| ajmitch | bye bddebian | 12:39 |
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| bddebian | ajmitch: Bah, YOU wouldn't miss me :-) | 12:40 |
| ajmitch | gee, thanks for that | 12:40 |
| crimsun | your children might. Think of the children! | 12:40 |
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| bddebian | ajmitch: Well all I seem to do is either anger you with my stupid questions or offend you with my "humor" :-) | 12:41 |
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| bddebian | crimsun: So, wanna tell my dumb-ass how I add a binary icon file to a package with the diff.gz? | 12:45 |
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| LaserJock | bddebian: your questions don't anger. I learned something important from the dpatch thing | 12:48 |
| bddebian | LaserJock: Hey, since it's for your Science team, do you know how I add the icon file? | 12:51 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: you want to add a binary icon? | 12:52 |
| bddebian | LaserJock: Yeah, the one posted for achilles | 12:52 |
| LaserJock | where? | 12:53 |
| LaserJock | I don't see a bug | 12:53 |
| bddebian | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/achilles/+bug/36362 | 12:53 |
| crimsun | the uu{en,de}code method? | 12:53 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 36362 in achilles "Missing .desktop file" [Minor,Confirmed] | 12:54 |
| bddebian | crimsun: probably | 12:54 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: just a sec, if it has a svg then raphink a a great idea about creating the image in debian/rules or something like that | 12:55 |
| bddebian | OK | 12:56 |
| raphink | bddebian: http://www.raphink.info/adding-icons-to-debian-packages | 12:56 |
| raphink | if that's what LaserJock meant ;) | 12:56 |
| LaserJock | darn it, beat me to it | 12:56 |
| raphink | hehe | 12:57 |
| raphink | LaserJock: I know my blog ;) | 12:57 |
| raphink | and my IRC client pings me when you drop my nick ;) | 12:57 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: the other option (raphink, don't listen) would be to convert it to a .xpm or something like that | 12:57 |
| raphink | :p | 12:57 |
| crimsun | good ole xml | 12:58 |
| bddebian | eeks | 12:59 |
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| raphink | crimsun: svg is xml too :) | 01:00 |
| crimsun | raphink: that's why I said xml. | 01:00 |
| raphink | ooh ok :) | 01:00 |
| raphink | so you're rather supporting my method if I get you | 01:01 |
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| crimsun | raphink: I think it's useful | 01:01 |
| raphink | ok | 01:01 |
| raphink | good to hear | 01:02 |
| raphink | as I had no comment on it | 01:02 |
| LaserJock | raphink: hmm, btw I'm 72% nerd, 47% geek, and 55% dork :-) | 01:08 |
| raphink | HEHE | 01:08 |
| robotgeek | raphink: lot of people did that test later :) | 01:10 |
| raphink | :) | 01:10 |
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| bddebian | Gaaah, freakin' idiot | 01:35 |
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| bluefoxicy | has anyone gotten fedora directory server and fedora managemet console on ubuntu? | 02:07 |
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| bluefoxicy | tritium: do you know if anyone has gotten fedora directory server and fedora managemet console on ubuntu? | 02:11 |
| tritium | bluefoxicy: no idea | 02:12 |
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| LaserJock | hi tritium! | 02:22 |
| tritium | Hi LaserJock :) | 02:22 |
| ToadZzZztool | 'night motus | 02:22 |
| sladen | bluefoxicy: I think I saw Debian pcakages | 02:27 |
| bluefoxicy | sladen: for which? | 02:28 |
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| bluefoxicy | sladen: I want a gcj native fedora management console and fedora directory server... :> | 02:28 |
| bluefoxicy | bah the box behind me has no DVD drive | 02:29 |
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| LaserJock | hmm, pretty dead in here | 03:07 |
| LaserJock | you would think people were working if you didn't know better :-) | 03:07 |
| crimsun | [actually I am] | 03:08 |
| ajmitch | work? | 03:10 |
| ajmitch | hm | 03:10 |
| ajmitch | novel concept | 03:10 |
| Kyral | I'm recompiling KDE and just returned from helping someone recover GRUB | 03:21 |
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| bddebian | w00t.. | 04:36 |
| === bddebian kicks qgis in the nuts | ||
| LaserJock | heah, now | 04:36 |
| bddebian | LaserJock: It works, thanks! | 04:37 |
| === LaserJock pats poor qgis on the head, "good little qgis" | ||
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| bddebian | ajmitch: Still here? | 04:43 |
| ajmitch | define 'here' | 04:45 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: did you have a question? :) | 04:50 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: many thanks for fixing qgis | 04:52 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: Yeah :-) ygraph is FTBFSing on the buildd because it needs an autoconf/etc. How do I do that properly to save it in the package? | 04:52 |
| bddebian | LaserJock: NP | 04:52 |
| ajmitch | either do it in debian/rules (and add build-deps) | 04:54 |
| ajmitch | or do it before you build the source package\ | 04:54 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: That's the weird thing. I did it before I uploaded my version?? | 04:56 |
| bddebian | So for MOTUScience Bugs, it's bddebian 20 something? LaserJock ?? ;-P | 04:58 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: if the changes aren't in the diff.gz, they didn't stick :) | 05:00 |
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| bddebian | Stephe!!! | 05:03 |
| \sh | fast and last visit to my fellow motus :) | 05:03 |
| bddebian | +n | 05:03 |
| bddebian | Last visit??? | 05:03 |
| crimsun | how's sh doing? | 05:03 |
| \sh | well, I have to decrease costs and shut down my server :) | 05:04 |
| crimsun | (understandable) | 05:05 |
| LaserJock | \sh: HELLOO!!! | 05:05 |
| \sh | so, at this point, I have to get rid of my domains, and therefore my accounts on several portalsides will be closed as well... | 05:05 |
| ajmitch | hey \sh | 05:06 |
| ajmitch | good to see you're still alive & kicking :) | 05:06 |
| ajmitch | where are you living at the moment? | 05:06 |
| \sh | still in my flat, landlord is trying to chase me out, but I won't go :) | 05:07 |
| ajmitch | :) | 05:07 |
| ajmitch | got any more offers for your domains? | 05:07 |
| ajmitch | hoping for 100K euros? :) | 05:07 |
| \sh | hehe....I don't hope anymore...and was no joke...last offer, was 50k but i don't think nowadays someone wants to buy this domain from me :) | 05:08 |
| \sh | but sourcecode.de is the last domain, I will fight for, believe me | 05:08 |
| \sh | ok, guys, I don't want to stress the line... | 05:09 |
| crimsun | well, take care til next time | 05:10 |
| bddebian | Take care \sh. Let us (me?) know if I can do anything! | 05:10 |
| \sh | I'm just here to tell you, that I want to remove my account from launchpad and give back my upload rights. | 05:10 |
| ajmitch | I hope everything goes ok & you can keep eating | 05:10 |
| bddebian | Nooo | 05:10 |
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| \sh | barry, no server, no mail, no nothing :) believe me, for me it's the right thing | 05:10 |
| bddebian | OK man, but take care of yourself :-) | 05:11 |
| \sh | btw...anyone heard something from ogra? | 05:11 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: Any chance you would mind trying ygraph for me? | 05:11 |
| ajmitch | like what? he was last in here a few hours ago | 05:12 |
| bddebian | \sh: He's usually here | 05:12 |
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| LaserJock | \sh: we will be thinking about you dude, take care. | 05:12 |
| \sh | ah ok...I wrote him a mail, so I hope he's answering | 05:12 |
| \sh | ok..cu folks...have a good time with the dapper release :) | 05:12 |
| \sh | so long | 05:12 |
| bddebian | Damn :-( | 05:12 |
| ajmitch | wouldn't surprise me if it's in a pile of 10K other unread messages | 05:12 |
| ajmitch | ah man | 05:13 |
| bddebian | LaserJock: Did you ever request a sync of tyvis? | 05:13 |
| LaserJock | arggh, no | 05:13 |
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| LaserJock | I still need to figure out what exactly needs to be done | 05:13 |
| LaserJock | is it a sync of tyvis or warped that we need? | 05:14 |
| bddebian | Sorry, you're right, it's warped | 05:14 |
| bddebian | Then need a rebuild of tyvis against that libwarped0 | 05:15 |
| LaserJock | hmm, the tyvis version isn't right I don't think | 05:17 |
| LaserJock | ogra must have made a typo | 05:17 |
| bddebian | :-) | 05:24 |
| LaserJock | man, these MOTUs are a sloppy bunch ;p | 05:26 |
| bddebian | Hmm, I see xmakemol FTBFSs too | 05:26 |
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| bddebian | Heya zakame | 05:31 |
| zakame | is there a prob with digikam's source package? I could not get to dpkg-source -x it | 05:31 |
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| zakame | hello bddebian! | 05:31 |
| zakame | hi jsgotangco | 05:31 |
| jsgotangco | yo! | 05:31 |
| jsgotangco | why did he get a ! and none for me..you seen uninterested at all... | 05:32 |
| jsgotangco | :) | 05:32 |
| bddebian | heh | 05:32 |
| zakame | hi jsgotangco! | 05:32 |
| crimsun | LaserJock: yeah, I'd hate to see the packaging guide... :p | 05:33 |
| LaserJock | yeah, full of policy violations. Typos all over the place, and lets not even talk about grammar ;-) | 05:33 |
| zakame | lol | 05:34 |
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| bddebian | Ack, ajmitch is rubbing off on LaserJock :) | 05:35 |
| LaserJock | hehe | 05:35 |
| LaserJock | if only | 05:36 |
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| LaserJock | brb, gotta clean some $1200USD mirrors without scratching them | 05:39 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: is it so wrong to be right? ;) | 05:44 |
| LaserJock | hmm, well I'm pretty bummed out about \sh. I should probably do the same thing though | 05:47 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: Nope, that's why I love you honey :-) | 05:47 |
| bddebian | LaserJock: ??? | 05:47 |
| LaserJock | well, I definately need to readjust my Ubuntu work for Dapper+1 | 05:48 |
| bddebian | Nah, just wait until the last minute to do anything, like me :-) | 05:48 |
| LaserJock | I've been neglecting my PhD and my wife and my house entirely too much since the first of the year | 05:48 |
| LaserJock | but I'm so addicted to Ubuntu | 05:48 |
| bddebian | x11proto-gl-dev has replaced xlibmesa-gl-dev? | 05:49 |
| bddebian | LaserJock: Heh, I know that feeling :-) | 05:49 |
| bddebian | WTF is this: ??? | 05:50 |
| bddebian | #ifdef GL | 05:50 |
| bddebian | #include <GL/GLwMDrawA.h> /* OpenGL drawing area widget */ | 05:50 |
| bddebian | #endif /* GL */ | 05:50 |
| theCore | LaserJock: computers are indeed addictives, you just need to find the right balance between real life and computers ... | 05:54 |
| LaserJock | yes, it is just a fight right now ;-) | 05:54 |
| LaserJock | I think I can get away with 2 hrs a night of computer work | 05:54 |
| LaserJock | instead of the ~ 10 hrs a day I do now :-) | 05:55 |
| LaserJock | mostly my problem is this stupid IRC | 05:55 |
| LaserJock | I love hanging out with you guys | 05:55 |
| theCore | LaserJock: indeed, IRC is a time sink | 05:56 |
| LaserJock | I start a project and then people start talking to me and I go chasing down all these other things and then the day is done and I didn't get done what I wanted to | 05:56 |
| LaserJock | my wife says I have "issues" ;-) | 05:57 |
| bddebian | Heh, welcome to the club man :-) | 05:57 |
| bddebian | Hmm, I can't find any packages that contain GLwMDrawA.h | 05:58 |
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| theCore | bddebian: that's a wierd header | 05:58 |
| wasabi | So I'm trying to come up with a file format... and need some sort of mime magic field in it. Thing is the file format is basically a signed GPG document. | 05:59 |
| wasabi | Think it sounds safe to put some magic marker at the top? | 05:59 |
| wasabi | humans have to fill it in =( | 05:59 |
| bddebian | theCore: I agree | 05:59 |
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| theCore | bddebian: it's for Motif | 06:00 |
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| theCore | bddebian: lesstif2-dev I think | 06:00 |
| bddebian | Aye, but I have that | 06:00 |
| theCore | bddebian: then, maybe xlibmesa-gl-dev | 06:01 |
| bddebian | That's been replaced by x11proto-gl-dev afaict | 06:02 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: oh crap, Debian removed tyvis | 06:04 |
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| bddebian | Nice | 06:05 |
| Gloubiboulga | hello | 06:06 |
| bddebian | Ah xlibmesa-gl-dev used to provide it | 06:06 |
| bddebian | Hmm | 06:06 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: I'm not sure what that means for us. But apparently elmo removed it because it went 2 years with 2 RC bugs | 06:07 |
| LaserJock | hi Gloubiboulga | 06:07 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: it's annoying when that happens :) | 06:07 |
| LaserJock | well, at least I know why I couldn't apt-cache showsrc it ;-) | 06:08 |
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| bddebian | heh | 06:08 |
| bddebian | Heya Gloubiboulga | 06:08 |
| Gloubiboulga | LaserJock, bddebian hi :) | 06:10 |
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| LaserJock | yeah, I found 3 new package in Debian that we should have | 06:14 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Transitions/GLU | 06:14 |
| ajmitch | has the various GL* headers that got changed & what they were replaced with | 06:15 |
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| bddebian | Sheesh, I just can't keep up | 06:16 |
| bddebian | Well that's apparently wrong because libgl-dev doesn't work | 06:17 |
| ajmitch | the libgl-dev was for compatibility with debian, iirc | 06:19 |
| ajmitch | but debian doesn't have it now :) | 06:19 |
| ajmitch | X11R7 just got into sid yesterday | 06:19 |
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| calamari | hi | 06:46 |
| ajmitch | hello | 06:47 |
| bddebian | Gnight folks | 06:48 |
| bddebian | Hi calamari, gnight calamari :-) | 06:48 |
| calamari | I'm creating a package, and am a little confused by $DESTDIR .. do I need to change my Makefile to use this? | 06:49 |
| Gloubiboulga | gnight bddebian | 06:49 |
| calamari | cya bddebian :) | 06:49 |
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| Gloubiboulga | calamari, if $DESTDIR is not used, $(MAKE) install will try to install the files on your system, not in the debian/<package> dir | 06:51 |
| calamari | right now I have a line "prefix = /usr/local" so I just want "prefix = $DESTDIR/usr/local" ? | 06:53 |
| calamari | or should I not be using local either? | 06:54 |
| Gloubiboulga | hmm, prefix should be '/usr' | 06:54 |
| calamari | ok | 06:54 |
| Gloubiboulga | and $DESTDIR is usually used in the 'install' rule iirc | 06:54 |
| Gloubiboulga | with something like 'install file $(DESTDIR)/$(prefix)/' | 06:55 |
| calamari | ahh, okay, thanks! | 06:56 |
| Gloubiboulga | np :) | 06:56 |
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| LaserJock | crimsun: thank you, thank you , thank you | 07:14 |
| calamari | Gloubiboulga: install: cannot create regular file `/home/calamari/programming/c/debian/delayedunlink-1.0.0/debian/delayedunlink//usr/lib/libdelayedunlink.so.1.0.0': No such file or directory | 07:20 |
| calamari | I guess it's saying that I need to create /usr/lib ? | 07:21 |
| Gloubiboulga | yep | 07:21 |
| calamari | wonder why the install program doesn't do that for me | 07:21 |
| Gloubiboulga | I think it doesn't use the autotools | 07:22 |
| Gloubiboulga | the Makefile is certainly a custom one :) | 07:22 |
| calamari | yeah I created the Makefile | 07:22 |
| calamari | and I'm really bad at them :) | 07:23 |
| Gloubiboulga | Autotools are really the best solution to create makefiles ;) | 07:24 |
| calamari | yeah, I tried using it and failed | 07:24 |
| calamari | it is also very complicated hehehe | 07:24 |
| calamari | should I remove cron.d.ex ? | 07:29 |
| Gloubiboulga | you can remove every .ex file you don't need | 07:31 |
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| dholbach | good morning motu world! | 07:33 |
| Gloubiboulga | morning dholbach | 07:34 |
| dholbach | hey Gloubiboulga | 07:34 |
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| calamari | hmm I guess I need to create a secret key | 07:35 |
| calamari | hmm | 07:43 |
| calamari | got that, now :) dpkg-genchanges: error: badly formed line in files list file | 07:43 |
| calamari | hehehe | 07:43 |
| calamari | I'm assuming it means debian/files ? | 07:44 |
| calamari | any ideas? | 07:53 |
| calamari | would probably help if I pasted the whole line, sorry.. oops: dpkg-genchanges: error: badly formed line in files list file, line 1 | 07:54 |
| calamari | debian/files contains only one line: delayedunlink_1.0.0-0ubuntu1_i386.deb Base System optional | 07:55 |
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| dholbach | calamari: what did you do before? | 07:58 |
| calamari | dholbach: I'm sorry, I don't understand what you mean | 07:58 |
| dholbach | what lead to this message | 07:58 |
| dholbach | debian/files should be autogenerated, so nothing to worry about | 07:58 |
| calamari | dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot | 07:59 |
| dholbach | something else must have gone wrong beforehand | 07:59 |
| dholbach | can you upload that package source package somehere? | 07:59 |
| calamari | http://kidsquid.com/files/ubuntu/delayedunlink-1.0.0.tar.gz | 08:00 |
| dholbach | can't find that host | 08:02 |
| dholbach | ah now it works | 08:02 |
| dholbach | um | 08:03 |
| dholbach | there is no debian/ directory | 08:03 |
| calamari | oh, I misunderstood what you wanted | 08:03 |
| calamari | that was the original source | 08:03 |
| dholbach | right | 08:04 |
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| calamari | hmm actually maybe it was unimportant.. the deb archive was created | 08:04 |
| calamari | didn't notice that before now | 08:04 |
| dholbach | ah ok | 08:05 |
| calamari | uploaded it here http://68.105.135.51:1023/debian.tar.gz | 08:06 |
| dholbach | can'T connect | 08:06 |
| Toadstool | heya motus | 08:07 |
| dholbach | calamari: ok, works now | 08:08 |
| dholbach | hey Toadstool | 08:08 |
| calamari | dholbach: hmm weird.. restarted apache.,. any better now? | 08:08 |
| Toadstool | hi dholbach | 08:08 |
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| calamari | well, the deb works in any case.. so I'm unconcerned :) | 08:10 |
| calamari | Gloubiboulga, dholbach: thanks a lot for your help! :) | 08:10 |
| Gloubiboulga | calamari, np :) | 08:11 |
| dholbach | calamari: you can remove all the .ex stuff and substvars/files - that's all not needed | 08:11 |
| calamari | dholbach: oic.. does it all get included in the deb? | 08:12 |
| dholbach | no, but it's easier to get an overview without them :) | 08:12 |
| dholbach | the .ex are examples you don't need, substvars and files are generated during the build | 08:12 |
| dholbach | and the problem you faced was the Section you set in debian/control | 08:13 |
| dholbach | if you change "Base System" to "devel" (or whatever might fit and is a section), it works :) | 08:13 |
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| calamari | where can I announce this package? | 08:24 |
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| LaserJock | dholbach: have you uploaded ubuntu-docs yet? I just made a commit that should go in | 08:30 |
| dholbach | LaserJock: no, I didn't | 08:32 |
| dholbach | i'm wading through myriads of bug mails atm | 08:32 |
| LaserJock | dholbach: good, for me anyway ;-) | 08:33 |
| dholbach | so take your time whatever you're going to fix | 08:33 |
| dholbach | i'll do it later (in my evening) | 08:33 |
| dholbach | so ~10h | 08:33 |
| LaserJock | well, I've got to go to bed so I'm done I think | 08:33 |
| LaserJock | good night | 08:34 |
| magnon | aaah. my bank closes its net bank during easter. *puzzle* | 08:46 |
| dholbach | magnon: HEY! | 08:49 |
| magnon | hey :) | 08:49 |
| dholbach | magnon: give the poor computers a rest too :-P | 08:49 |
| magnon | apparently they're making a new system | 08:50 |
| magnon | but normal people have a stage and prod | 08:50 |
| dholbach | ah yeah... the big transitions in companies are always around easter | 08:54 |
| magnon | hm. internal dns servers are going down... | 08:59 |
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| zakame | hi al | 09:18 |
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| Gloubiboulga | morning zakame | 09:20 |
| zakame | hello Gloubiboulga | 09:27 |
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| Yagisan | ajmitch: around ? | 10:12 |
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| zakame | hi all | 10:19 |
| zakame | what's with malone 39242 ? | 10:19 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 39242 in arson "arson will not update or remove using apt error" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/39242 | 10:19 |
| zakame | it probably needs a semi-static postinst that would create the iconcache for /usr/share/icons/locolor/ ... what do you think? =) | 10:20 |
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| zakame | hi jpatrick | 10:24 |
| jpatrick | hi zakame | 10:24 |
| Yagisan | G'day zakame | 10:25 |
| zakame | hello Yagisan | 10:26 |
| Yagisan | zakame: how have you been ? I've been playing with GCC 4.1 and am trying to work out why I get this error: /usr/lib/deng/libdropengl.so.0: undefined symbol: __stack_chk_fail_local. | 10:28 |
| zakame | here committing arson ;-) | 10:29 |
| zakame | gaah only on gcc 4.1 ? | 10:30 |
| Yagisan | zakame: yep. the -fstack-protector flag | 10:30 |
| Yagisan | zakame: and I know I included the libssp-dev in the build-deps too | 10:30 |
| zakame | hmm, yet another mystery to solve :) | 10:31 |
| zakame | dholbach: ping | 10:31 |
| zakame | oh crap I'm late :( | 10:32 |
| zakame | bbl! :D | 10:32 |
| dholbach | zakame: pong | 10:32 |
| zakame | dholbach: I've seem to hit a snag with arson in malone 39242 | 10:32 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 39242 in arson "arson will not update or remove using apt error" [Major,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/39242 | 10:32 |
| zakame | bbl anyhow, I'm late for a meeting :( | 10:34 |
| dholbach | zakame: ok... we should rebuild it and check if that still happens | 10:34 |
| dholbach | zakame: i'll do that - have fun in the meeting | 10:34 |
| zakame | thanks! :D | 10:35 |
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| freeflying | dholbach: I wanna improve my package in universe , after change it , how shall do | 10:36 |
| dholbach | freeflying: there's always room for improvement - what are you up to? anything specific in mind? anything that's wrong with it? | 10:36 |
| freeflying | dholbach: I just wanna rewrite the description for more detail | 10:37 |
| dholbach | freeflying: sounds good | 10:37 |
| dholbach | freeflying: you want to know how to do that? | 10:38 |
| freeflying | dholbach: after rewrite , what shall I do ? | 10:38 |
| dholbach | you mean apart from: apt-get source <package>; cd <package>*; vim debian/control; dch -i -Ddapper; debuild -S ? | 10:39 |
| freeflying | dholbach: y | 10:40 |
| dholbach | that's all you need to do | 10:40 |
| freeflying | dholbach: can I upload it ? | 10:41 |
| jpatrick | freeflying: should be able to if you're in ubuntu-devel | 10:41 |
| freeflying | jpatrick: thx | 10:42 |
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| ajmitch | evening | 01:27 |
| Gloubiboulga | hi ajmitch | 01:28 |
| jpatrick | afternoon | 01:31 |
| ajmitch | hi Hobbsee | 01:35 |
| Hobbsee | hey ajmitch :) | 01:35 |
| Mithrandir | ajmitch, Hobbsee :-) | 01:35 |
| Hobbsee | hi Mithrandir :) | 01:36 |
| ajmitch | morning Mithrandir, how's it going? | 01:37 |
| Mithrandir | slowly, trying to weed out some live cd bugs. | 01:40 |
| kelmo | hi people, any madwifi users in the house? | 01:40 |
| Mithrandir | wondering why usplash seems to not pick up the timeout command from casper. | 01:41 |
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| carthik | I filed a bug on grub-splashimages. Now I see that in Debian, the bug has been fixed. Will the ubuntu grub-splashimages be updated with the changes in the debian package before Dapper is out? | 02:41 |
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| TheMuso | c | 03:03 |
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| zul | heylo | 03:04 |
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| bddebian | Heya gang | 03:32 |
| Hobbsee | hi bddebian | 03:32 |
| bddebian | Hello Hobbsee | 03:33 |
| === StevenK jumps on Hobbsee. | ||
| balachmar | Hi people, I am thinking about really doing something for the ubuntu community and I have read that this is the place where I could help getting new software available for ubuntu | 03:35 |
| Hobbsee | argh! | 03:35 |
| === Hobbsee is jumped on | ||
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| Tm_T | :o | 03:36 |
| Tm_T | Hobbsee: hello there | 03:36 |
| Hobbsee | hi Tm_T | 03:36 |
| Tm_T | what's up | 03:37 |
| balachmar | But since I don't have any experience with packaging I am wondering how I could learn to do so and with which program to start :) | 03:37 |
| Hobbsee | not a lot - i'm thinking that it must be the timezoen for ESL speakers though... | 03:37 |
| balachmar | ESL speakers? | 03:38 |
| Tm_T | :) | 03:38 |
| balachmar | what are ESL speakers? | 03:38 |
| StevenK | Eastern Seaboard .... ? | 03:39 |
| jamessan | english as a second language | 03:39 |
| StevenK | Apparently, I was way off | 03:39 |
| jamessan | at least that's what I always thought it meant *shrug* | 03:39 |
| balachmar | Well, since the UK is almost in the same timezone as I am... I think there will be some EFL speakers around as well :) | 03:40 |
| Hobbsee | oh, sorry...english as a second language, yeah | 03:40 |
| Hobbsee | the ones that have such mangled grammar that makes them not understandable are the ones in particular that make it hard | 03:41 |
| balachmar | You mean me? | 03:41 |
| jamessan | quite frequently, ESL speakers speak better English than EFL | 03:42 |
| Hobbsee | balachmar: no, not at all...was referring to a few people in #kubuntu | 03:42 |
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| bddebian | Heya tritium | 03:49 |
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| Se7h | morning all | 03:50 |
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| bddebian | Heya Se7h, Yagisan | 03:57 |
| tseng | hi bddebian | 03:58 |
| bddebian | Heya tseng | 03:58 |
| bddebian | Ah meeting time.. :-( | 03:58 |
| iegary | hi there... seeing as eric3 is broken, any possibility of eric providing an eric3 transitional package, and removing the eric3 source package from universe? I filed bug #39280 suggesting this... | 04:08 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 39280 in eric "eric3 should be a transitional package, requiring eric" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/39280 | 04:08 |
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| Yagisan | G'day bddebian | 04:11 |
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| trappist | a bug on linux-restricted-modules should be filed against which source package? | 04:40 |
| zul | linux-restricted-modules | 04:40 |
| trappist | there is no such source package in malone - it's broken up by version. I assume that means I should choose 2.6.15 for dapper. | 04:41 |
| tritium | Morning, bddebian. | 04:45 |
| Hobbsee | night all... | 04:46 |
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| Hobbsee | okay then... | 04:47 |
| === Riddell reports | ||
| trappist | next question: the problem is a version mismatch between linux-restricted-modules and nvidia-glx, causing X to not start. which package to file the bug on? | 04:49 |
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| Hobbsee | hehe | 04:51 |
| Hobbsee | go BearPerson go! | 04:51 |
| BearPerson | hmm... I'm out of shape... | 04:52 |
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| LaserJock | morning MOTU world! | 05:48 |
| lucas | s/morning/evening/ | 05:48 |
| truz24 | lol | 06:01 |
| truz24 | he must be on the west coast :-) | 06:02 |
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| LaserJock | truz24: not all the way west coast, I'm still 15 miles from California ;-) | 06:02 |
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| bddebian | Heya LaserJock | 06:12 |
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| LaserJock | hiya bddebian | 06:33 |
| LaserJock | anybody know if you can update a pbuilder by doing pbuilder update --distribution <newdistro> --override-config ? | 06:34 |
| bddebian | Not without updating sources.list and such I don't think | 06:35 |
| bddebian | LaserJock: Looks like saoimage may have been dropped from Debian also? | 06:35 |
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| LaserJock | bddebian: looks like it was replaced with saods9 | 06:41 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: do you have a Ubuntu box you could test some pbuilder stuff for me? or are you at work? | 06:42 |
| bddebian | I'm at work but I might be able to test some stuff | 06:42 |
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| LaserJock | bddebian: I just wonder if the line above works | 06:45 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: I think it might, basically womble was showing me how you never have to touch /etc/pbuilderrc or edit any config files | 06:45 |
| bddebian | hmm | 06:46 |
| LaserJock | and that would dramatically reduce the complexity of the Pbuilder Howto | 06:46 |
| Tonio_ | hello all ;) | 06:47 |
| jpatrick | hi Tonio_ | 06:47 |
| LaserJock | hi Tonio_ and jpatrick | 06:48 |
| bddebian | Heya Tonio_ | 06:48 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: I'm going to file a bug to get tyvis and saoimage removed from Dapper | 06:48 |
| bddebian | LaserJock: OK, cool. Are you going to update the bugs? | 06:48 |
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| LaserJock | heh, not exactly a slave, but close :p | 06:53 |
| LaserJock | yeah, I'll take care of the bugs | 06:53 |
| bddebian | 'bout time you did SOMETHING.. ;-P | 06:54 |
| LaserJock | hehe, I got you to do all the work didn't I :-) | 06:55 |
| bddebian | LaserJock: creating a breezy pbuilder now, give me a few :-) | 06:57 |
| LaserJock | k | 06:58 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: btw, what URL have you been using to look at MOTU Science bugs? | 06:58 |
| bddebian | LaserJock: The one you gave me :-) https://launchpad.net/people/motuscience/+assignedbugs | 06:59 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: muahaha, and you thought you were done | 07:02 |
| LaserJock | try out https://launchpad.net/people/motuscience/+subscribedbugs | 07:02 |
| bddebian | Oh, I AM done ;-P | 07:02 |
| truz24 | LaserJock, what is your launchpad page? | 07:02 |
| bddebian | Ack, WTF d00d? :-) | 07:03 |
| LaserJock | truz24: https://launchpad.net/people/mantha/ | 07:03 |
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| LaserJock | bddebian: and if you feel like you have got a lot of time you could run through https://launchpad.net/people/motuscience/+packagebugs | 07:04 |
| LaserJock | but they should all be in one of the other two | 07:04 |
| truz24 | LaserJock, development wise, where is there a strong need for help ? | 07:04 |
| LaserJock | everywhere ;-) | 07:05 |
| truz24 | I'm looking for an entry point to get started :-) | 07:05 |
| LaserJock | well, right now we are in bug fix mode | 07:06 |
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| truz24 | how many hours do you find yourself working on the ubuntu project? | 07:07 |
| bddebian | Waay too many :-) | 07:08 |
| jpatrick | many | 07:08 |
| LaserJock | way way too many ;-) | 07:08 |
| LaserJock | the problem is that it is incredibly addictive | 07:08 |
| jpatrick | true | 07:08 |
| truz24 | yes | 07:08 |
| truz24 | You have a regular full time position tho right? | 07:09 |
| LaserJock | I'm a grad student | 07:09 |
| truz24 | That should be even worse then :-) | 07:10 |
| truz24 | With the research you're having to do. | 07:10 |
| truz24 | I guess I'm looking for how many hours are expected from someone who has a regular 40 hour development work week. | 07:10 |
| LaserJock | truz24: well, in there isn't an "expected" you just do what you can | 07:11 |
| bddebian | truz24: Try a 40+ hour work week, a wife, and three kids :-) | 07:12 |
| truz24 | :-) | 07:12 |
| truz24 | Get a motorcycle, that will relieve some stress ;-) | 07:12 |
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| bddebian | If I'm inside my pbuilder, how can I verify that it's breezy/dapper? | 07:13 |
| bddebian | truz24: As I said, I have a wife. That isn't allowed.. ;-) | 07:13 |
| bddebian | Hello pef | 07:14 |
| truz24 | :-) | 07:14 |
| pef | bddebian: hello :] | 07:14 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: hmm, good question | 07:15 |
| LaserJock | I would guess if you did a pbuilder update or something you could see when it is doing the apt-get update | 07:16 |
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| bddebian | OK, it's breezy | 07:17 |
| bddebian | Now I'll try to update your way :-) | 07:17 |
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| bddebian | LaserJock: Damn, you were right about pbuilder. Nice | 07:31 |
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| LaserJock | bddebian: really? cool | 07:35 |
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| LaserJock | dholbach: ping? | 07:37 |
| dholbach | LaserJock: pong | 07:37 |
| LaserJock | dholbach: do I have time for a last minut commit on ubuntu-docs? | 07:37 |
| dholbach | yeah | 07:37 |
| dholbach | take your time | 07:37 |
| bddebian | How stupid is this crap: | 07:38 |
| bddebian | survex-aven depends on survex (= 1.0.39); however: | 07:38 |
| bddebian | Version of survex on system is 1.0.39ubuntu1. | 07:38 |
| dholbach | going to read a bit - will do an upload in an hour or two | 07:38 |
| dholbach | so consider me "away" now :) | 07:38 |
| LaserJock | dholbach: womble has rocked my pbuilder world so I need to adjust something | 07:38 |
| Yagisan | bddebian: got to love those | 07:38 |
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| bddebian | No, I don't :-) | 07:38 |
| Yagisan | bddebian: at least that is easily fixable | 07:39 |
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| Yagisan | bddebian: I have no idea why I get this error "/usr/lib/deng/libdropengl.so.0: undefined symbol: __stack_chk_fail_local" when I'm sure I included the lib it is in. | 07:40 |
| bddebian | Yagisan: At what point are you getting that error? | 07:43 |
| Yagisan | bddebian: runtime | 07:43 |
| Yagisan | bddebian: it should be using libssp from gcc-4.1 | 07:44 |
| Yagisan | bddebian: and the main runtime *is* linked, uit the support libs it builds don't seem to be :( | 07:44 |
| Yagisan | s/uit/but | 07:45 |
| bddebian | Hmmm | 07:45 |
| azeem | Yagisan: two underscores look fishy | 07:45 |
| bddebian | Yagisan: Do: objdump -T /usr/lib/libssp.so |grep stack_chk_fail_local | 07:45 |
| Yagisan | bddebian: it's lib32, but anyway, no output | 07:47 |
| Yagisan | bddebian: it does have "00000cc0 g DF .text 00000027 LIBSSP_1.0 __stack_chk_fail" however | 07:48 |
| G0SUB_ | are there any emacs gtk+xft packages for dapper? | 07:48 |
| Yagisan | bddebian: Is it likely I stuffed up ? | 07:48 |
| azeem | Yagisan: did you write libdropengl yourself | 07:49 |
| azeem | ? | 07:49 |
| Yagisan | azeem: nope, I just packaged the game it is part of | 07:49 |
| bddebian | Yagisan: How could you have done that? | 07:50 |
| Yagisan | bddebian: packaging mistake ? | 07:51 |
| azeem | Yagisan: my first bet is that libdropengl should not be using stuff with __ in the beginning and _local at the end | 07:51 |
| Yagisan | azeem: that appears to be droped in by gcc-4.1 | 07:51 |
| Yagisan | azeem: yeah, that is gcc. the word local isn't in any of the 4 .c files that make up libdropengl | 07:52 |
| azeem | but they call __stack stuff? | 07:53 |
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| Yagisan | azeem: only two occurrences of the word stack, and that is for a check for opengl stack over and underflow. | 07:55 |
| LaserJock | what is a good description of pbuilders base.tgz | 07:56 |
| azeem | ok, no idea then, sorry | 07:56 |
| LaserJock | "compressed environment"? | 07:56 |
| Yagisan | azeem: that's ok. Thanks for your help | 07:56 |
| Yagisan | bddebian: and thank you too | 07:56 |
| bddebian | NP | 07:56 |
| bddebian | Sorry I don't know more :-( | 07:57 |
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| Yagisan | bddebian: no need to be sorry, I'm just getting bitten in the arse my new gcc features | 07:57 |
| Yagisan | s/my/by | 07:57 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: does "compressed environment" sound ok for a description of pbuilders base.tgz? | 07:58 |
| bddebian | LaserJock: Yeah | 07:58 |
| Yagisan | LaserJock: seems fine, perhaps "compressed build environment" depending on context | 07:58 |
| LaserJock | Yagisan: hmm, that does sound better | 07:59 |
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| Yagisan | azeem: bddebian: I think I know what the problem is. Ubuntu's glibc doesn't have ssp support, so I need to manually specify alternate linking in my rules file. (or I could be completely wrong, I'll built it and see) | 08:08 |
| bddebian | Nice | 08:09 |
| Yagisan | bddebian: I get this working, then I can start submitting bugs + patches for a more secure ubuntu (and perhaps justify myself for ubuntu membership) | 08:10 |
| bddebian | Yagisan: Great | 08:12 |
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| jabra | can I request a module for packaging | 08:29 |
| jabra | nmap::parser | 08:29 |
| jabra | really useful module that should be in ubuntu | 08:30 |
| crimsun | jabra: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New | 08:34 |
| jabra | k | 08:39 |
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| infinito | has anyone a minute to review this?? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2267 | 08:51 |
| Yagisan | bddebian: seems I was wrong :( | 08:51 |
| bddebian | Yagisan: What happened? | 08:52 |
| Yagisan | bddebian: no change at all | 08:53 |
| bddebian | Ugh | 08:56 |
| jabra | crimsun: ok added | 09:00 |
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| jabra | let me know if you would like help testing as I have a few things to test it | 09:00 |
| Yagisan | bddebian: This is my results page for my project http://eyagi.bpa.nu/eyagi/our-research/technologies/e-yagi-security-enhanced-linux I've just listed that app as failed for now (until I work out how to fix it) | 09:02 |
| tseng | * The first step to enabling support for this feature is to add libssp0-dev to the list of build dependencies. | 09:07 |
| tseng | gross :< | 09:07 |
| tseng | i guess it would be build-essential | 09:07 |
| Yagisan | tseng: well, it's not in libc for ubuntu | 09:07 |
| tseng | Yagisan: yeah, it would be nice to be pluggable | 09:07 |
| tseng | i am done arguing with a raving pappy- over the pros and cons of the libssp | 09:08 |
| tseng | :) | 09:08 |
| Yagisan | tseng: while I prefer it to be in libc, if at the moment I need libssp0-dev (part of gcc) for a proof of concept, so be it | 09:09 |
| bddebian | infinito: Is this a gui app? | 09:10 |
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| Yagisan | tseng: have a favorite game to test it with ? | 09:11 |
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| cbx33 | evenin all | 09:14 |
| bddebian | Heya cbx33 | 09:15 |
| Yagisan | G'day cbx33 | 09:16 |
| cbx33 | hi Yagisan | 09:16 |
| cbx33 | bddebian, this Iconcache thingamajig | 09:16 |
| cbx33 | i see you've participated | 09:16 |
| bddebian | Well I've tried :-) | 09:17 |
| cbx33 | what needs to be added to the debian/rules? | 09:17 |
| cbx33 | is it worth me having a look | 09:17 |
| cbx33 | I know I'm not an ubuntu-motu | 09:17 |
| cbx33 | I may be able to work on a few pacakges | 09:18 |
| bddebian | cbx33: Unfortunately probably not. It's pretty much a quick one-line change and an upload | 09:18 |
| jpatrick | can someone poke http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2272 ? | 09:18 |
| cbx33 | ok | 09:18 |
| cbx33 | sorry bddebian | 09:19 |
| cbx33 | bddebian, wondering if you could give me someinput on a fix | 09:19 |
| bddebian | cbx33: Don't be sorry | 09:20 |
| cbx33 | there is a line in a patch that has been added in the debian/patchs folder | 09:20 |
| cbx33 | but i need to patch it if you know what i mean | 09:20 |
| bddebian | Yes | 09:20 |
| cbx33 | i can't edit the patch | 09:20 |
| cbx33 | so do i need to make another path | 09:21 |
| cbx33 | patch | 09:21 |
| bddebian | Just a line change or adding another line? | 09:21 |
| cbx33 | that patches the patch | 09:21 |
| cbx33 | it's editing a line that was edited in the previous patch already | 09:21 |
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| infinito | bddebian: is a gnome applet | 09:22 |
| cbx33 | any ideas? | 09:22 |
| cbx33 | as I'm unsure what the proper procedure is here | 09:23 |
| bddebian | infinito: OK | 09:23 |
| bddebian | cbx33: Give me a sec | 09:24 |
| cbx33 | np | 09:24 |
| bddebian | jpatrick: building now | 09:24 |
| cbx33 | weh nyou have a sec | 09:24 |
| jpatrick | bddebian: cool | 09:24 |
| LaserJock | cbx33: you can sort of edit the patch | 09:25 |
| cbx33 | LaserJock, I tried it and it didn't work | 09:25 |
| bddebian | cbx33: Is it a totally different line, or just changing a line already in the patch? | 09:25 |
| LaserJock | cbx33: if you cp the source into a tmp dir and then apply the patch, and then make your changes and recreate the patch | 09:25 |
| cbx33 | LaserJock, that's what I was thinking | 09:26 |
| cbx33 | yesterday, and i need to confirm this.... i tried creating the Source pacakge with no modification and it bombed out compolaing about not being able to apply the patch | 09:27 |
| cbx33 | I'll double check it now | 09:27 |
| cbx33 | LaserJock, thanks for the help with the chroot problem yesterday...cleared it right up | 09:29 |
| cbx33 | was wondering if you wanted to add that to your docs | 09:29 |
| cbx33 | about the LC_ALL=C | 09:29 |
| cbx33 | cos that drove me nuts :p | 09:29 |
| dholbach | night guys | 09:31 |
| dholbach | see you at the hug day tomorrow | 09:31 |
| cbx33 | nn dholbach | 09:32 |
| jpatrick | dholbach: night | 09:32 |
| infinito | bddebian: thanks for reviewing | 09:32 |
| LaserJock | cya dholbach, I'll try to make it as much as possible | 09:32 |
| dholbach | night cbx33, LaserJock, jpatrick | 09:32 |
| dholbach | rock on! | 09:32 |
| cbx33 | rock on dholbach | 09:32 |
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| cbx33 | we need an ubunutu sign :p | 09:32 |
| dholbach | woohoo! | 09:33 |
| dholbach | *wave* | 09:33 |
| cbx33 | o/ | 09:33 |
| cbx33 | brb | 09:34 |
| LaserJock | I just start playing my "Princes of the Universe" .ogg ;-) | 09:35 |
| infinito | how many reviews need a pkg to get uploaded? | 09:40 |
| jpatrick | two | 09:40 |
| mitsuhiko | ogra: ping | 09:40 |
| jpatrick | bddebian: any word? | 09:40 |
| infinito | and is it possible to get into dapper a pkg in revu? | 09:40 |
| jpatrick | until tomorrow | 09:40 |
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| jpatrick | wb cbx33 | 09:41 |
| cbx33 | thanky | 09:41 |
| infinito | jpatrick: until tomorrow? | 09:41 |
| cbx33 | what do i need to make man scrollable...it's just acting like more at the moment | 09:42 |
| cbx33 | vi possibly? | 09:42 |
| jpatrick | infinito: i think | 09:42 |
| bddebian | jpatrick: Is mjpegtools in multiverse? | 09:42 |
| jpatrick | bddebian: er, yes | 09:42 |
| infinito | so i think im out of luck :( | 09:42 |
| bddebian | Gah, lame, hang on | 09:42 |
| cbx33 | what options do we use when creating a patch here? | 09:46 |
| infinito | if a pkg on revu is accepted and uploaded, when ther's a new upstream version, should it be uploaded to revu again? | 09:49 |
| tseng | Yagisan: i really dont like the idea of changing every source package, unless the goal is to only cover a handful of daemons | 09:50 |
| tseng | Yagisan: but fair enough for testing | 09:50 |
| tseng | Yagisan: no games here :) | 09:50 |
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| bddebian | cbx33: For dpatch, use dpatch-edit-patch <name of your patch> | 09:52 |
| bddebian | cbx33: If it is a dpatch you could even try dpatch-edit-patch <name of broken patch> ? | 09:53 |
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| Yagisan | tseng: for testing I'll do it on a package by package basis to see what works. It would be nice to build with ssp on by default though | 09:55 |
| Yagisan | tseng: assuming minimal breakage | 09:56 |
| tseng | yeah | 09:56 |
| slomo | cbx33: install less and man is scrollable :) | 09:56 |
| tseng | i think in gentoo i had a list of stuff that was notably broken | 09:57 |
| cbx33 | ah swat i thought | 09:57 |
| cbx33 | thanx slomo | 09:57 |
| tseng | but i deleted that wiki | 09:57 |
| tseng | Yagisan: i am afraid of what kind of disaster id be walking into if i joined #gentoo-hardened-dev to ask about it | 09:59 |
| bddebian | Sheesh jpatrick, this is taking forever :-) | 10:00 |
| Yagisan | tseng: pity. I thought I'd try a few games that could run as servers, and some common utils first | 10:00 |
| jpatrick | bddebian: I too was suprised | 10:00 |
| Yagisan | tseng: unfortunately the first game I tried, needs more work then expected | 10:01 |
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| bddebian | Heya Kyral | 10:04 |
| Kyral | Meh meh MEH!!! | 10:04 |
| Kyral | Damn the NVidia Drivers to HELL | 10:06 |
| LaserJock | heh, what vesa not good enough for you? | 10:07 |
| Kyral | No, they are causing instability in my system | 10:07 |
| Kyral | and right now I'm underclocked due to a heatwave | 10:07 |
| Yagisan | of course, it's Nvidia, that's what it is supposed to do | 10:08 |
| LaserJock | hmm, I just ssh and don't worry about all that silly X stuff | 10:08 |
| hub | Kyral: that's why I won't buy nVidia | 10:08 |
| Yagisan | Kyral: using the repo or upstream ? | 10:08 |
| LaserJock | hub: what would you buy? | 10:08 |
| Kyral | Yagisan: Oh, I'm on ArchLinux :P | 10:08 |
| hub | LaserJock: I have an Intel in my laptop | 10:09 |
| Yagisan | hub: never used new ati then have you ? | 10:09 |
| Kyral | but on Kubuntu the problem persisted | 10:09 |
| hub | old Radeon with the free driver | 10:09 |
| hub | Yagisan: ATI is as much evil | 10:09 |
| Yagisan | hub: I said new for a reason | 10:09 |
| hub | binary drivers are Evil | 10:09 |
| Kyral | Do the ATI Free apply to the newer cards? | 10:09 |
| LaserJock | I've never had any problems with my nvidia cards | 10:09 |
| hub | LaserJock: is the driver available for PowerPC to run on a Mac with Linux? | 10:10 |
| Yagisan | Kyral: no, (well some experimental support IIRC) | 10:11 |
| hub | the latest ATI don't even have a binary shit for linux | 10:11 |
| hub | because ATI do not care | 10:11 |
| LaserJock | hub: hmm? I've never run linux on a mac | 10:11 |
| hub | LaserJock: I have for a long time | 10:12 |
| hub | LaserJock: fortunately I had a Rage128 in it | 10:12 |
| LaserJock | my iMac has a x1600 but I haven't tested it out or anything | 10:13 |
| ajmitch | morning | 10:13 |
| LaserJock | hi ajmitch | 10:13 |
| Yagisan | morning ajmitch | 10:13 |
| hub | LaserJock: X1600 does not have a Linux driver at all | 10:13 |
| LaserJock | hub: exactly, so if I *could* boot linux on this thing I wouldn't much fun with X | 10:14 |
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| Kyral | grrr | 10:15 |
| Kyral | I think my VidCard is going | 10:15 |
| Yagisan | Kyral: not fun | 10:16 |
| jpatrick | bddebian: you can just say yes | 10:16 |
| Kyral | This damn thing keeps seizing up anytime I enable ANY kinda of Acceleration | 10:16 |
| Yagisan | Kyral: I had a GFMX440 die in a heatwave here | 10:16 |
| bddebian | jpatrick: ? | 10:16 |
| Yagisan | Kyral: renderaccel turned on ? | 10:17 |
| Kyral | No | 10:17 |
| Kyral | Turned off | 10:17 |
| Kyral | hell I was just using NV with DRI | 10:17 |
| jpatrick | bddebian: for the package | 10:17 |
| Yagisan | Kyral: ok. that eliminates that major source of problems | 10:17 |
| Kyral | Turning it on or off? | 10:17 |
| Yagisan | Kyral: you get dri with nv ? | 10:17 |
| Kyral | dunno | 10:17 |
| Yagisan | Kyral: turning it off | 10:17 |
| Kyral | hmm | 10:17 |
| Kyral | I do like Arch's idea | 10:18 |
| Kyral | they provide a Daemon that checks at boot to see if the NVidia driver has been compiled for the current Kernel and if it hasn't it compiles it on the fly | 10:19 |
| bddebian | jpatrick: Ah | 10:19 |
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| jpatrick | bddebian: thanks | 10:26 |
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| bddebian | Sheesh, cernlib is a pig | 10:53 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: heh, glad I don't have to do it then ;-) | 10:58 |
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| LaserJock | noooooo | 10:58 |
| bddebian | Speaking of which, there is a WAY newer version of dx in Debian | 10:58 |
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| crimsun | heh, beta freeze is in 3 hours, so... no. | 10:58 |
| bddebian | nooooo | 10:59 |
| jpatrick | does it affect universe too? | 10:59 |
| crimsun | yes | 11:00 |
| LaserJock | what freeze? | 11:00 |
| LaserJock | ;-) | 11:00 |
| LaserJock | I wouldn't think beta freeze would affect Universe | 11:01 |
| LaserJock | FF didn't seem to | 11:01 |
| crimsun | eh, both UVF and FF applied. We just were a bit more slack. | 11:02 |
| LaserJock | FF didn't according to mdz | 11:02 |
| LaserJock | or my reading of mdz ;-) | 11:02 |
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| LaserJock | I honestly have no idea what applies and what doesn't anymore. We *really* have to fix that for Dapper+1 | 11:08 |
| crimsun | UVF and FF were supposed to apply to universe just as stringently. What actually ended up happening... | 11:09 |
| crimsun | in any case, I'm deferring thinking about new ones until dapper+1, because we only have a month til this whole shebang is released, so bugsquashing it is | 11:10 |
| LaserJock | +1 | 11:10 |
| LaserJock | I think we just might want to be a little more consistent next time ;-) | 11:11 |
| crimsun | certainly. | 11:12 |
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| crimsun | the whole n-m and wpasupplicant -> main is a bit sour in my mouth, but I realise its relative importance to many users. | 11:12 |
| bddebian | Yeah but something like dx has no rdepends | 11:14 |
| bddebian | :-) | 11:14 |
| crimsun | bddebian: you get the tar and feathering when it breaks, then :p | 11:14 |
| bddebian | Well it's currently FTBFS so what could be the issue? :-) | 11:15 |
| crimsun | it does? | 11:15 |
| crimsun | oh, probably !386 | 11:16 |
| crimsun | err | 11:17 |
| crimsun | bddebian: are you talking about the same dx I am? | 11:18 |
| crimsun | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/dx/1:4.3.2-7 <-- | 11:18 |
| crimsun | (unless you mean from Debian, probably?) | 11:18 |
| jouni__m | How about adding ffmpeg2theora to dapper? It could export ogg theora packed video from kino (or from command line) I installed it from debian unstable. It seems to work well. | 11:21 |
| bddebian | crimsun: Yes. | 11:22 |
| crimsun | jouni__m: we're way past FF. | 11:22 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: heh, just wait for Debian to remove it, that seems to be solving our problems today ;p | 11:24 |
| bddebian | LaserJock: Heh, no kidding :-) | 11:25 |
| bddebian | crimsun: I may have lied.. | 11:32 |
| bddebian | Oh well, gotta head home, later gang | 11:34 |
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| incon | autoconf should come with /usr/share/libtool/install.sh ? | 11:51 |
| azeem | incon: automake ships that, AFAIK | 11:54 |
| azeem | well, install.sh in general | 11:54 |
| incon | well when a run autoconf it doesnt have a sad now | 11:59 |
| incon | azeem: thank you | 11:59 |
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