[12:07] What does this mean:? [12:07] debian/rules:78: warning: overriding commands for target `unpatch' [12:07] /usr/share/dpatch/dpatch.make:34: warning: ignoring old commands for target `unpatch' [12:07] you've made your own unpatch target in debian/rules [12:08] Yes, do I not need to? [12:08] I've never included any dpatch files if I'm using straight dh [12:08] So how do I do it right? [12:08] bddebian: I had the same for a package I did from scratch with dpatch apply-all [12:09] I've only modified debian/rules's patch & clean and added patch-stamp and clean-patched as in dpatch(1) [12:09] LaserJock: That's what I wanted to do but there's no patch target [12:10] build was: build: patch build-stamp but patch: didn't exist [12:11] Should I do: [12:11] bddebian: this is what my debian/rules looks like http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12052 [12:11] patch: patch-stamp [12:11] please just pastebin debian/rules :) [12:11] gah [12:12] LaserJock: Where do you touch patch-stamp, or does dpatch apply-all do that for you? [12:12] yes, dpatch does it [12:12] I didn't know that at first and so I had a patch-stamp sitting around :( [12:16] I still get a warning [12:16] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12053 [12:16] crimsun: sorry to bug you, but do you have an idea of when you will be able to finish basic.xml? I need to coordinate some things for the translators. [12:17] bddebian: I always have a warning with mine too [12:18] Bah, I hate warnings :-) [12:18] I guess I can leave it and let the Debian maintainer deal with it :) [12:19] yeah, that is always a sure way to get something done ;-) [12:19] the warning is expected if you use the dpatch.make(7) method [12:19] Frickin' qgis takes FOREVER to build :-( [12:21] hmm, so with dpatch.make you are just supposed to need the rules, no commands? [12:22] correct [12:22] the only time you need to use dpatch {de}apply-all is the non-dpatch.make(7) way [12:23] that's why you get a warning by using adding dpatch {de}apply-all [12:23] s/using/ [12:23] /g [12:23] hmm, well maybe somebody needs to tell dh_make that [12:23] no, we just need to read the man pages more closely [12:24] yeah, that too ;-) [12:24] it clearly states in dpatch.make(7) that you only need to change the targets to depend on patch and unpatch [12:25] yes, but the rules file created by dh_make includes dpatch.make and dpatch apply patch so that is somewhat misleading [12:25] yep, nasty. [12:25] dh_make is being deprecated in Debian [12:25] in favor of? [12:25] checkinstall [12:26] sorry, debmake. [12:26] <3 thinkos [12:27] hah, checkinstall. That would...hurt. [12:27] debmake is to replace dh_make? [12:27] no, debmake is being deprecated, not dh_make. [12:28] ok, but you said that dh_make is being depreciated [12:28] yes, that's a thinko on my part. [12:28] ok, sorry [12:28] (http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/03/msg00019.html) === Sergi0 [n=serge@ip227-28-166-62.adsl.versatel.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:32] hmm, well I don't see a bug filed in Debian about it :/ [12:32] you get to be the lucky bearer [12:33] arggh, I'll try it again. BTS hates me :( === ZuZubuntu-fr [n=ZuZubunt@AVelizy-154-1-47-193.w82-124.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian jumps off a cliff [12:39] bye bddebian === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:40] ajmitch: Bah, YOU wouldn't miss me :-) [12:40] gee, thanks for that [12:40] your children might. Think of the children! === womble [n=mpalmer@106.135.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:41] ajmitch: Well all I seem to do is either anger you with my stupid questions or offend you with my "humor" :-) === carthik [n=carthik@unaffiliated/carthik] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:45] crimsun: So, wanna tell my dumb-ass how I add a binary icon file to a package with the diff.gz? === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-209-217-124-104.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:48] bddebian: your questions don't anger. I learned something important from the dpatch thing [12:51] LaserJock: Hey, since it's for your Science team, do you know how I add the icon file? [12:52] bddebian: you want to add a binary icon? [12:52] LaserJock: Yeah, the one posted for achilles [12:53] where? [12:53] I don't see a bug [12:53] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/achilles/+bug/36362 [12:53] the uu{en,de}code method? [12:54] Malone bug 36362 in achilles "Missing .desktop file" [Minor,Confirmed] [12:54] crimsun: probably [12:55] bddebian: just a sec, if it has a svg then raphink a a great idea about creating the image in debian/rules or something like that [12:56] OK [12:56] bddebian: http://www.raphink.info/adding-icons-to-debian-packages [12:56] if that's what LaserJock meant ;) [12:56] darn it, beat me to it [12:57] hehe [12:57] LaserJock: I know my blog ;) [12:57] and my IRC client pings me when you drop my nick ;) [12:57] bddebian: the other option (raphink, don't listen) would be to convert it to a .xpm or something like that [12:57] :p [12:58] good ole xml [12:59] eeks === jinty [n=jinty@215.Red-83-49-54.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:00] crimsun: svg is xml too :) [01:00] raphink: that's why I said xml. [01:00] ooh ok :) [01:01] so you're rather supporting my method if I get you === Kyral [n=kyral@HyperDream.hamlin.clarkson.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:01] raphink: I think it's useful [01:01] ok [01:02] good to hear [01:02] as I had no comment on it [01:08] raphink: hmm, btw I'm 72% nerd, 47% geek, and 55% dork :-) [01:08] HEHE [01:10] raphink: lot of people did that test later :) [01:10] :) === hub [n=hub@toronto-hs-216-138-231-194.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === FunnyLookinHat [n=FunnyLoo@71.57.11.218] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Pazzo [n=thomas@host130-250.pool8172.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ZuZubuntu-fr [n=ZuZubunt@AVelizy-154-1-47-193.w82-124.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kyral [n=kyral@HyperDream.hamlin.clarkson.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:35] Gaaah, freakin' idiot === theCore [n=alex@toronto-HSE-ppp4206080.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kyral [n=kyral@HyperDream.hamlin.clarkson.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hub [n=hub@toronto-hs-216-138-231-194.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === No1Viking [n=Viking@h-83-140-104-3.ip.cust.port80.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dewd_ [n=dewd@201.29.107.23] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bluefoxicy [n=bluefox@c-68-33-112-13.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:07] has anyone gotten fedora directory server and fedora managemet console on ubuntu? === tritium [n=tritium@ubuntu/member/tritium] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:11] tritium: do you know if anyone has gotten fedora directory server and fedora managemet console on ubuntu? [02:12] bluefoxicy: no idea === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.36] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:22] hi tritium! [02:22] Hi LaserJock :) [02:22] 'night motus [02:27] bluefoxicy: I think I saw Debian pcakages [02:28] sladen: for which? === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:28] sladen: I want a gcj native fedora management console and fedora directory server... :> [02:29] bah the box behind me has no DVD drive === Meyer [i=mariomey@ubuntu/member/mariomeyer] has joined #ubuntu-motu === elfantiel [n=elf@unaffiliated/elfantiel] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Sergi0 [n=serge@ip227-28-166-62.adsl.versatel.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-209-217-99-43.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ek_7 [n=ek@p5080E2E1.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === slomo__ [n=slomo@p5486F851.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:07] hmm, pretty dead in here [03:07] you would think people were working if you didn't know better :-) [03:08] [actually I am] [03:10] work? [03:10] hm [03:10] novel concept [03:21] I'm recompiling KDE and just returned from helping someone recover GRUB === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.212.70] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kyral [n=kyral@HyperDream.hamlin.clarkson.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bhuvan_ [n=bhuvan@vpn5.maa.collab.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dudus [n=dudus@200.245.31.150] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dudus [n=dudus@200.245.31.150] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Part"] [04:36] w00t.. === bddebian kicks qgis in the nuts [04:36] heah, now [04:37] LaserJock: It works, thanks! === LaserJock pats poor qgis on the head, "good little qgis" === bddebian hands the achilles icon crap to LaserJock [04:43] ajmitch: Still here? [04:45] define 'here' [04:50] bddebian: did you have a question? :) [04:52] bddebian: many thanks for fixing qgis [04:52] ajmitch: Yeah :-) ygraph is FTBFSing on the buildd because it needs an autoconf/etc. How do I do that properly to save it in the package? [04:52] LaserJock: NP [04:54] either do it in debian/rules (and add build-deps) [04:54] or do it before you build the source package\ [04:56] ajmitch: That's the weird thing. I did it before I uploaded my version?? [04:58] So for MOTUScience Bugs, it's bddebian 20 something? LaserJock ?? ;-P [05:00] bddebian: if the changes aren't in the diff.gz, they didn't stick :) === \sh [n=shermann@ubuntu/member/backslash-sh] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:03] Stephe!!! [05:03] <\sh> fast and last visit to my fellow motus :) [05:03] +n [05:03] Last visit??? [05:03] how's sh doing? [05:04] <\sh> well, I have to decrease costs and shut down my server :) [05:05] (understandable) [05:05] \sh: HELLOO!!! [05:05] <\sh> so, at this point, I have to get rid of my domains, and therefore my accounts on several portalsides will be closed as well... [05:06] hey \sh [05:06] good to see you're still alive & kicking :) [05:06] where are you living at the moment? [05:07] <\sh> still in my flat, landlord is trying to chase me out, but I won't go :) [05:07] :) [05:07] got any more offers for your domains? [05:07] hoping for 100K euros? :) [05:08] <\sh> hehe....I don't hope anymore...and was no joke...last offer, was 50k but i don't think nowadays someone wants to buy this domain from me :) [05:08] <\sh> but sourcecode.de is the last domain, I will fight for, believe me [05:09] <\sh> ok, guys, I don't want to stress the line... [05:10] well, take care til next time [05:10] Take care \sh. Let us (me?) know if I can do anything! [05:10] <\sh> I'm just here to tell you, that I want to remove my account from launchpad and give back my upload rights. [05:10] I hope everything goes ok & you can keep eating [05:10] Nooo === ajmitch would prefer that you didn't do that [05:10] <\sh> barry, no server, no mail, no nothing :) believe me, for me it's the right thing [05:11] OK man, but take care of yourself :-) [05:11] <\sh> btw...anyone heard something from ogra? [05:11] ajmitch: Any chance you would mind trying ygraph for me? [05:12] like what? he was last in here a few hours ago [05:12] \sh: He's usually here === truz24 [n=truz24@12-203-70-118.client.insightBB.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:12] \sh: we will be thinking about you dude, take care. [05:12] <\sh> ah ok...I wrote him a mail, so I hope he's answering [05:12] <\sh> ok..cu folks...have a good time with the dapper release :) [05:12] <\sh> so long [05:12] Damn :-( [05:12] wouldn't surprise me if it's in a pile of 10K other unread messages [05:13] ah man [05:13] LaserJock: Did you ever request a sync of tyvis? [05:13] arggh, no === bddebian whips out the pistolas [05:13] I still need to figure out what exactly needs to be done [05:14] is it a sync of tyvis or warped that we need? [05:14] Sorry, you're right, it's warped [05:15] Then need a rebuild of tyvis against that libwarped0 [05:17] hmm, the tyvis version isn't right I don't think [05:17] ogra must have made a typo [05:24] :-) [05:26] man, these MOTUs are a sloppy bunch ;p [05:26] Hmm, I see xmakemol FTBFSs too === zakame [n=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:31] Heya zakame [05:31] is there a prob with digikam's source package? I could not get to dpkg-source -x it === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:31] hello bddebian! [05:31] hi jsgotangco [05:31] yo! [05:32] why did he get a ! and none for me..you seen uninterested at all... [05:32] :) [05:32] heh [05:32] hi jsgotangco! [05:33] LaserJock: yeah, I'd hate to see the packaging guide... :p [05:33] yeah, full of policy violations. Typos all over the place, and lets not even talk about grammar ;-) [05:34] lol === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:35] Ack, ajmitch is rubbing off on LaserJock :) [05:35] hehe [05:36] if only === lifeless [n=robertc@dsl-43.1.240.220.rns01-kent-syd.dsl.comindico.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:39] brb, gotta clean some $1200USD mirrors without scratching them [05:44] bddebian: is it so wrong to be right? ;) [05:47] hmm, well I'm pretty bummed out about \sh. I should probably do the same thing though [05:47] ajmitch: Nope, that's why I love you honey :-) [05:47] LaserJock: ??? [05:48] well, I definately need to readjust my Ubuntu work for Dapper+1 [05:48] Nah, just wait until the last minute to do anything, like me :-) [05:48] I've been neglecting my PhD and my wife and my house entirely too much since the first of the year [05:48] but I'm so addicted to Ubuntu [05:49] x11proto-gl-dev has replaced xlibmesa-gl-dev? [05:49] LaserJock: Heh, I know that feeling :-) [05:50] WTF is this: ??? [05:50] #ifdef GL [05:50] #include /* OpenGL drawing area widget */ [05:50] #endif /* GL */ [05:54] LaserJock: computers are indeed addictives, you just need to find the right balance between real life and computers ... [05:54] yes, it is just a fight right now ;-) [05:54] I think I can get away with 2 hrs a night of computer work [05:55] instead of the ~ 10 hrs a day I do now :-) [05:55] mostly my problem is this stupid IRC [05:55] I love hanging out with you guys [05:56] LaserJock: indeed, IRC is a time sink [05:56] I start a project and then people start talking to me and I go chasing down all these other things and then the day is done and I didn't get done what I wanted to [05:57] my wife says I have "issues" ;-) [05:57] Heh, welcome to the club man :-) [05:58] Hmm, I can't find any packages that contain GLwMDrawA.h === wasabi [n=wasabi@c-67-166-206-241.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:58] bddebian: that's a wierd header [05:59] So I'm trying to come up with a file format... and need some sort of mime magic field in it. Thing is the file format is basically a signed GPG document. [05:59] Think it sounds safe to put some magic marker at the top? [05:59] humans have to fill it in =( [05:59] theCore: I agree === nomed [n=nomed@host146-163.pool8258.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:00] bddebian: it's for Motif === nomed [n=nomed@host146-163.pool8258.interbusiness.it] has left #ubuntu-motu ["/etc/init.d/nomed] [06:00] bddebian: lesstif2-dev I think [06:00] Aye, but I have that [06:01] bddebian: then, maybe xlibmesa-gl-dev [06:02] That's been replaced by x11proto-gl-dev afaict [06:04] bddebian: oh crap, Debian removed tyvis === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:05] Nice [06:06] hello [06:06] Ah xlibmesa-gl-dev used to provide it [06:06] Hmm [06:07] bddebian: I'm not sure what that means for us. But apparently elmo removed it because it went 2 years with 2 RC bugs [06:07] hi Gloubiboulga [06:07] LaserJock: it's annoying when that happens :) [06:08] well, at least I know why I couldn't apt-cache showsrc it ;-) === jabra [n=jabra@polish.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:08] heh [06:08] Heya Gloubiboulga [06:10] LaserJock, bddebian hi :) === Marticus [n=demart01@12-208-16-9.client.insightBB.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:14] yeah, I found 3 new package in Debian that we should have [06:14] bddebian: wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Transitions/GLU [06:15] has the various GL* headers that got changed & what they were replaced with === jabra_ [n=jabra@polish.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:16] Sheesh, I just can't keep up [06:17] Well that's apparently wrong because libgl-dev doesn't work [06:19] the libgl-dev was for compatibility with debian, iirc [06:19] but debian doesn't have it now :) [06:19] X11R7 just got into sid yesterday === carthik [n=carthik@unaffiliated/carthik] has joined #ubuntu-motu === robotgeek [i=venkat@ubuntu/member/robotgeek] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === carthik [n=carthik@unaffiliated/carthik] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mongoose [n=mongoose@ip68-106-216-206.oc.oc.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === No1Viking [n=Viking@h-83-140-104-3.ip.cust.port80.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === calamari [i=calamari@ip68-105-135-51.tc.ph.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:46] hi [06:47] hello [06:48] Gnight folks [06:48] Hi calamari, gnight calamari :-) [06:49] I'm creating a package, and am a little confused by $DESTDIR .. do I need to change my Makefile to use this? [06:49] gnight bddebian [06:49] cya bddebian :) === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:51] calamari, if $DESTDIR is not used, $(MAKE) install will try to install the files on your system, not in the debian/ dir [06:53] right now I have a line "prefix = /usr/local" so I just want "prefix = $DESTDIR/usr/local" ? [06:54] or should I not be using local either? [06:54] hmm, prefix should be '/usr' [06:54] ok [06:54] and $DESTDIR is usually used in the 'install' rule iirc [06:55] with something like 'install file $(DESTDIR)/$(prefix)/' [06:56] ahh, okay, thanks! [06:56] np :) === rajasun [n=maximusp@bb220-255-207-70.singnet.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lure [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:14] crimsun: thank you, thank you , thank you [07:20] Gloubiboulga: install: cannot create regular file `/home/calamari/programming/c/debian/delayedunlink-1.0.0/debian/delayedunlink//usr/lib/libdelayedunlink.so.1.0.0': No such file or directory [07:21] I guess it's saying that I need to create /usr/lib ? [07:21] yep [07:21] wonder why the install program doesn't do that for me [07:22] I think it doesn't use the autotools [07:22] the Makefile is certainly a custom one :) [07:22] yeah I created the Makefile [07:23] and I'm really bad at them :) [07:24] Autotools are really the best solution to create makefiles ;) [07:24] yeah, I tried using it and failed [07:24] it is also very complicated hehehe [07:29] should I remove cron.d.ex ? [07:31] you can remove every .ex file you don't need === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B0A92.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:33] good morning motu world! [07:34] morning dholbach [07:34] hey Gloubiboulga === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:35] hmm I guess I need to create a secret key [07:43] hmm [07:43] got that, now :) dpkg-genchanges: error: badly formed line in files list file [07:43] hehehe [07:44] I'm assuming it means debian/files ? [07:53] any ideas? [07:54] would probably help if I pasted the whole line, sorry.. oops: dpkg-genchanges: error: badly formed line in files list file, line 1 [07:55] debian/files contains only one line: delayedunlink_1.0.0-0ubuntu1_i386.deb Base System optional === paniq [n=paniq@port-212-202-51-233.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:58] calamari: what did you do before? [07:58] dholbach: I'm sorry, I don't understand what you mean [07:58] what lead to this message [07:58] debian/files should be autogenerated, so nothing to worry about [07:59] dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot [07:59] something else must have gone wrong beforehand [07:59] can you upload that package source package somehere? [08:00] http://kidsquid.com/files/ubuntu/delayedunlink-1.0.0.tar.gz [08:02] can't find that host [08:02] ah now it works [08:03] um [08:03] there is no debian/ directory [08:03] oh, I misunderstood what you wanted [08:03] that was the original source [08:04] right === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:04] hmm actually maybe it was unimportant.. the deb archive was created [08:04] didn't notice that before now [08:05] ah ok [08:06] uploaded it here http://68.105.135.51:1023/debian.tar.gz [08:06] can'T connect [08:07] heya motus [08:08] calamari: ok, works now [08:08] hey Toadstool [08:08] dholbach: hmm weird.. restarted apache.,. any better now? [08:08] hi dholbach === paniq_ [n=paniq@port-212-202-51-233.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:10] well, the deb works in any case.. so I'm unconcerned :) [08:10] Gloubiboulga, dholbach: thanks a lot for your help! :) [08:11] calamari, np :) [08:11] calamari: you can remove all the .ex stuff and substvars/files - that's all not needed [08:12] dholbach: oic.. does it all get included in the deb? [08:12] no, but it's easier to get an overview without them :) [08:12] the .ex are examples you don't need, substvars and files are generated during the build [08:13] and the problem you faced was the Section you set in debian/control [08:13] if you change "Base System" to "devel" (or whatever might fit and is a section), it works :) === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu === carthik [n=carthik@unaffiliated/carthik] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:24] where can I announce this package? === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:30] dholbach: have you uploaded ubuntu-docs yet? I just made a commit that should go in [08:32] LaserJock: no, I didn't [08:32] i'm wading through myriads of bug mails atm [08:33] dholbach: good, for me anyway ;-) [08:33] so take your time whatever you're going to fix [08:33] i'll do it later (in my evening) [08:33] so ~10h [08:33] well, I've got to go to bed so I'm done I think [08:34] good night [08:46] aaah. my bank closes its net bank during easter. *puzzle* [08:49] magnon: HEY! [08:49] hey :) [08:49] magnon: give the poor computers a rest too :-P [08:50] apparently they're making a new system [08:50] but normal people have a stage and prod [08:54] ah yeah... the big transitions in companies are always around easter [08:59] hm. internal dns servers are going down... === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zakame [n=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:18] hi al === calamari [i=calamari@ip68-105-135-51.tc.ph.cox.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] [09:20] morning zakame [09:27] hello Gloubiboulga === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TMM [n=hp@ip5650d1ab.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-101-223.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sophie^ [n=student@210.5.70.229] has joined #ubuntu-motu === chillywilly [n=danielb@CPE-24-209-126-16.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lbm [n=lbm@x1-6-00-13-10-7a-d1-e4.k233.webspeed.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-68-200-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zakame [n=zakame@chi.spunge.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zakame_ [n=zakame@chi.spunge.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gervystar [n=gervysta@217-133-96-194.b2b.tiscali.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:12] ajmitch: around ? === TMM [n=hp@ip5650d1ab.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zakame [n=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:19] hi all [10:19] what's with malone 39242 ? [10:19] Malone bug 39242 in arson "arson will not update or remove using apt error" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/39242 [10:20] it probably needs a semi-static postinst that would create the iconcache for /usr/share/icons/locolor/ ... what do you think? =) === jpatrick [n=patrick@ubuntu/member/jpatrick] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:24] hi jpatrick [10:24] hi zakame [10:25] G'day zakame [10:26] hello Yagisan [10:28] zakame: how have you been ? I've been playing with GCC 4.1 and am trying to work out why I get this error: /usr/lib/deng/libdropengl.so.0: undefined symbol: __stack_chk_fail_local. [10:29] here committing arson ;-) [10:30] gaah only on gcc 4.1 ? [10:30] zakame: yep. the -fstack-protector flag [10:30] zakame: and I know I included the libssp-dev in the build-deps too [10:31] hmm, yet another mystery to solve :) [10:31] dholbach: ping [10:32] oh crap I'm late :( [10:32] bbl! :D [10:32] zakame: pong [10:32] dholbach: I've seem to hit a snag with arson in malone 39242 [10:32] Malone bug 39242 in arson "arson will not update or remove using apt error" [Major,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/39242 [10:34] bbl anyhow, I'm late for a meeting :( [10:34] zakame: ok... we should rebuild it and check if that still happens [10:34] zakame: i'll do that - have fun in the meeting [10:35] thanks! :D === zakame hugs dholbach [10:36] dholbach: I wanna improve my package in universe , after change it , how shall do [10:36] freeflying: there's always room for improvement - what are you up to? anything specific in mind? anything that's wrong with it? [10:37] dholbach: I just wanna rewrite the description for more detail [10:37] freeflying: sounds good [10:38] freeflying: you want to know how to do that? [10:38] dholbach: after rewrite , what shall I do ? [10:39] you mean apart from: apt-get source ; cd *; vim debian/control; dch -i -Ddapper; debuild -S ? [10:40] dholbach: y [10:40] that's all you need to do [10:41] dholbach: can I upload it ? 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[01:40] slowly, trying to weed out some live cd bugs. [01:40] hi people, any madwifi users in the house? [01:41] wondering why usplash seems to not pick up the timeout command from casper. === xophEr [n=xopher@a84-230-124-206.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying-ibook [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.36] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jinty [n=jinty@215.Red-83-49-54.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:41] I filed a bug on grub-splashimages. Now I see that in Debian, the bug has been fixed. Will the ubuntu grub-splashimages be updated with the changes in the debian package before Dapper is out? === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.36] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@60.254.67.17] has joined #ubuntu-motu === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:03] c === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:04] heylo === balachmar [n=balachma@dyn058139.nbw.tue.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Se7h [n=MUAHAHAH@bl4-88-206.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@mail.ottens.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:32] Heya gang [03:32] hi bddebian [03:33] Hello Hobbsee === StevenK jumps on Hobbsee. [03:35] Hi people, I am thinking about really doing something for the ubuntu community and I have read that this is the place where I could help getting new software available for ubuntu [03:35] argh! === Hobbsee is jumped on === Hobbsee sees flashes of red everywhere [03:36] :o [03:36] Hobbsee: hello there [03:36] hi Tm_T [03:37] what's up [03:37] But since I don't have any experience with packaging I am wondering how I could learn to do so and with which program to start :) [03:37] not a lot - i'm thinking that it must be the timezoen for ESL speakers though... [03:38] ESL speakers? [03:38] :) [03:38] what are ESL speakers? [03:39] Eastern Seaboard .... ? [03:39] english as a second language [03:39] Apparently, I was way off [03:39] at least that's what I always thought it meant *shrug* [03:40] Well, since the UK is almost in the same timezone as I am... I think there will be some EFL speakers around as well :) [03:40] oh, sorry...english as a second language, yeah [03:41] the ones that have such mangled grammar that makes them not understandable are the ones in particular that make it hard [03:41] You mean me? [03:42] quite frequently, ESL speakers speak better English than EFL [03:42] balachmar: no, not at all...was referring to a few people in #kubuntu === tritium [n=tritium@ubuntu/member/tritium] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:49] Heya tritium === hub [n=hub@storm-gw.xandros.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:50] morning all === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-68-200-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:57] Heya Se7h, Yagisan [03:58] hi bddebian [03:58] Heya tseng [03:58] Ah meeting time.. :-( [04:08] hi there... seeing as eric3 is broken, any possibility of eric providing an eric3 transitional package, and removing the eric3 source package from universe? I filed bug #39280 suggesting this... [04:08] Malone bug 39280 in eric "eric3 should be a transitional package, requiring eric" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/39280 === No1Viking [n=Viking@h-83-140-104-3.ip.cust.port80.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:11] G'day bddebian === Yagisan off to bed [04:40] a bug on linux-restricted-modules should be filed against which source package? [04:40] linux-restricted-modules [04:41] there is no such source package in malone - it's broken up by version. I assume that means I should choose 2.6.15 for dapper. [04:45] Morning, bddebian. [04:46] night all... === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee yawns, and contemplates falling asleep on the keyboard === Firefox_8 [n=10373019@IGLD-83-130-169-79.inter.net.il] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:47] http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/iclk?sa=l&num=0&client=ca-ref-pub-9539129227107275&adurl=http://services.google.com/toolbar/firefox%3Fai%3DBwJ4mjRI9RL2hBaSg-QG8lrT_COmZ0hT5g7LRAcWNtwEAEAEgzsTsBUDIEkiiOVCD49ECoAG1lcj9A7IBD2JyZWFrLjI3NW1iLmNvbcgBAtoBKmh0dHA6Ly9icmVhay4yNzVtYi5jb20vYWRtaW4ucGhwP29wPXVwbG9hZIACAZUCJFM-Cg&ai=BIH_JjRI9RL2hBaSg-QG8lrT_COmZ0hT5g7LRAcWNtwEAEAEgzsTsBUDIEkiiOVCh1qyP_v____8BoAG1lcj9A7IBD2JyZWFrLjI === Firefox_8 [n=10373019@IGLD-83-130-169-79.inter.net.il] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [04:47] okay then... === Riddell reports [04:49] next question: the problem is a version mismatch between linux-restricted-modules and nvidia-glx, causing X to not start. which package to file the bug on? === BearPerson [i=karsten@freenode/staff/sourcemage.wizard.BearPerson] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee bans the spammer in #ubuntu. grr. === BearPerson chases the spammer [04:51] hehe [04:51] go BearPerson go! [04:52] hmm... I'm out of shape... === BearPerson waves === trappist coughs === BearPerson [i=karsten@freenode/staff/sourcemage.wizard.BearPerson] has left #ubuntu-motu ["this] === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === erez [n=erez@85-250-28-126.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-motu === infinito [n=infinito@VPNPOOL03-0005.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has joined #ubuntu-motu === JohnnyMast [n=rave@84-104-9-27.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:48] morning MOTU world! [05:48] s/morning/evening/ [06:01] lol [06:02] he must be on the west coast :-) === Pazzo [n=thomas@host130-250.pool8172.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:02] truz24: not all the way west coast, I'm still 15 miles from California ;-) === jpatrick [n=patrick@ubuntu/member/jpatrick] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Pazzo [n=thomas@host130-250.pool8172.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:12] Heya LaserJock === Lure [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Pazzo [n=thomas@host130-250.pool8172.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-250-59-127.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === highvoltage [n=Jono@mtngprs7.mtn.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mat [n=mat@igoan/mat] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:33] hiya bddebian [06:34] anybody know if you can update a pbuilder by doing pbuilder update --distribution --override-config ? [06:35] Not without updating sources.list and such I don't think [06:35] LaserJock: Looks like saoimage may have been dropped from Debian also? === Lure [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:41] bddebian: looks like it was replaced with saods9 [06:42] bddebian: do you have a Ubuntu box you could test some pbuilder stuff for me? or are you at work? [06:42] I'm at work but I might be able to test some stuff === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:45] bddebian: I just wonder if the line above works [06:45] bddebian: I think it might, basically womble was showing me how you never have to touch /etc/pbuilderrc or edit any config files [06:46] hmm [06:46] and that would dramatically reduce the complexity of the Pbuilder Howto [06:47] hello all ;) [06:47] hi Tonio_ [06:48] hi Tonio_ and jpatrick [06:48] Heya Tonio_ [06:48] bddebian: I'm going to file a bug to get tyvis and saoimage removed from Dapper [06:48] LaserJock: OK, cool. Are you going to update the bugs? === bddebian is LaserJock 's slave now :-) [06:53] heh, not exactly a slave, but close :p [06:53] yeah, I'll take care of the bugs [06:54] 'bout time you did SOMETHING.. ;-P [06:55] hehe, I got you to do all the work didn't I :-) [06:57] LaserJock: creating a breezy pbuilder now, give me a few :-) [06:58] k [06:58] bddebian: btw, what URL have you been using to look at MOTU Science bugs? [06:59] LaserJock: The one you gave me :-) https://launchpad.net/people/motuscience/+assignedbugs [07:02] bddebian: muahaha, and you thought you were done [07:02] try out https://launchpad.net/people/motuscience/+subscribedbugs [07:02] Oh, I AM done ;-P [07:02] LaserJock, what is your launchpad page? [07:03] Ack, WTF d00d? :-) [07:03] truz24: https://launchpad.net/people/mantha/ === bddebian hasn't updated his wiki page in eons [07:04] bddebian: and if you feel like you have got a lot of time you could run through https://launchpad.net/people/motuscience/+packagebugs [07:04] but they should all be in one of the other two [07:04] LaserJock, development wise, where is there a strong need for help ? [07:05] everywhere ;-) [07:05] I'm looking for an entry point to get started :-) [07:06] well, right now we are in bug fix mode === TMM [n=hp@c51471f2c.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:07] how many hours do you find yourself working on the ubuntu project? [07:08] Waay too many :-) [07:08] many [07:08] way way too many ;-) [07:08] the problem is that it is incredibly addictive [07:08] true [07:08] yes [07:09] You have a regular full time position tho right? [07:09] I'm a grad student [07:10] That should be even worse then :-) [07:10] With the research you're having to do. [07:10] I guess I'm looking for how many hours are expected from someone who has a regular 40 hour development work week. [07:11] truz24: well, in there isn't an "expected" you just do what you can [07:12] truz24: Try a 40+ hour work week, a wife, and three kids :-) [07:12] :-) [07:12] Get a motorcycle, that will relieve some stress ;-) === pef [n=loic@ubuntu/member/pef] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:13] If I'm inside my pbuilder, how can I verify that it's breezy/dapper? [07:13] truz24: As I said, I have a wife. That isn't allowed.. ;-) [07:14] Hello pef [07:14] :-) [07:14] bddebian: hello :] [07:15] bddebian: hmm, good question [07:16] I would guess if you did a pbuilder update or something you could see when it is doing the apt-get update === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-68-200-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:17] OK, it's breezy [07:17] Now I'll try to update your way :-) === cartel_ [n=cartel@shinobi.thoughtcrime.org.nz] has joined #ubuntu-motu === herzi [n=herzi@c184132.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:31] LaserJock: Damn, you were right about pbuilder. Nice === seth|lappy [n=seth@ubuntu/member/seth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:35] bddebian: really? cool === G0SUB [n=ghoseb@ubuntu/member/g0sub] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:37] dholbach: ping? [07:37] LaserJock: pong [07:37] dholbach: do I have time for a last minut commit on ubuntu-docs? [07:37] yeah [07:37] take your time [07:38] How stupid is this crap: [07:38] survex-aven depends on survex (= 1.0.39); however: [07:38] Version of survex on system is 1.0.39ubuntu1. [07:38] going to read a bit - will do an upload in an hour or two [07:38] so consider me "away" now :) [07:38] dholbach: womble has rocked my pbuilder world so I need to adjust something [07:38] bddebian: got to love those === jinty [n=jinty@215.Red-83-49-54.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:38] No, I don't :-) [07:39] bddebian: at least that is easily fixable === fredix [n=fredix@202.70.97-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:40] bddebian: I have no idea why I get this error "/usr/lib/deng/libdropengl.so.0: undefined symbol: __stack_chk_fail_local" when I'm sure I included the lib it is in. [07:43] Yagisan: At what point are you getting that error? [07:43] bddebian: runtime [07:44] bddebian: it should be using libssp from gcc-4.1 [07:44] bddebian: and the main runtime *is* linked, uit the support libs it builds don't seem to be :( [07:45] s/uit/but [07:45] Hmmm [07:45] Yagisan: two underscores look fishy [07:45] Yagisan: Do: objdump -T /usr/lib/libssp.so |grep stack_chk_fail_local [07:47] bddebian: it's lib32, but anyway, no output [07:48] bddebian: it does have "00000cc0 g DF .text 00000027 LIBSSP_1.0 __stack_chk_fail" however [07:48] are there any emacs gtk+xft packages for dapper? [07:48] bddebian: Is it likely I stuffed up ? [07:49] Yagisan: did you write libdropengl yourself [07:49] ? [07:49] azeem: nope, I just packaged the game it is part of [07:50] Yagisan: How could you have done that? [07:51] bddebian: packaging mistake ? [07:51] Yagisan: my first bet is that libdropengl should not be using stuff with __ in the beginning and _local at the end [07:51] azeem: that appears to be droped in by gcc-4.1 [07:52] azeem: yeah, that is gcc. the word local isn't in any of the 4 .c files that make up libdropengl [07:53] but they call __stack stuff? === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:55] azeem: only two occurrences of the word stack, and that is for a check for opengl stack over and underflow. [07:56] what is a good description of pbuilders base.tgz [07:56] ok, no idea then, sorry [07:56] "compressed environment"? [07:56] azeem: that's ok. Thanks for your help [07:56] bddebian: and thank you too [07:56] NP [07:57] Sorry I don't know more :-( === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:57] bddebian: no need to be sorry, I'm just getting bitten in the arse my new gcc features [07:57] s/my/by [07:58] bddebian: does "compressed environment" sound ok for a description of pbuilders base.tgz? [07:58] LaserJock: Yeah [07:58] LaserJock: seems fine, perhaps "compressed build environment" depending on context [07:59] Yagisan: hmm, that does sound better === infinito [n=infinito@VPNPOOL03-0005.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:08] azeem: bddebian: I think I know what the problem is. Ubuntu's glibc doesn't have ssp support, so I need to manually specify alternate linking in my rules file. (or I could be completely wrong, I'll built it and see) [08:09] Nice [08:10] bddebian: I get this working, then I can start submitting bugs + patches for a more secure ubuntu (and perhaps justify myself for ubuntu membership) [08:12] Yagisan: Great === carthik [n=carthik@unaffiliated/carthik] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jabra [n=jabra@polish.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:29] can I request a module for packaging [08:29] nmap::parser [08:30] really useful module that should be in ubuntu [08:34] jabra: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New [08:39] k === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lure [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@60.254.67.17] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ZuZubuntu-fr [n=ZuZubunt@AVelizy-154-1-18-133.w82-124.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === JohnnyMast [n=rave@84-104-9-27.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:51] has anyone a minute to review this?? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2267 [08:51] bddebian: seems I was wrong :( [08:52] Yagisan: What happened? [08:53] bddebian: no change at all [08:56] Ugh [09:00] crimsun: ok added === lbm [n=lbm@x1-6-00-13-10-7a-d1-e4.k233.webspeed.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:00] let me know if you would like help testing as I have a few things to test it [09:02] bddebian: This is my results page for my project http://eyagi.bpa.nu/eyagi/our-research/technologies/e-yagi-security-enhanced-linux I've just listed that app as failed for now (until I work out how to fix it) [09:07] * The first step to enabling support for this feature is to add libssp0-dev to the list of build dependencies. [09:07] gross :< [09:07] i guess it would be build-essential [09:07] tseng: well, it's not in libc for ubuntu [09:07] Yagisan: yeah, it would be nice to be pluggable [09:08] i am done arguing with a raving pappy- over the pros and cons of the libssp [09:08] :) [09:09] tseng: while I prefer it to be in libc, if at the moment I need libssp0-dev (part of gcc) for a proof of concept, so be it [09:10] infinito: Is this a gui app? === nikolas_ [n=nick@unaffiliated/nicktastic] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:11] tseng: have a favorite game to test it with ? === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cbx33 [n=pete@84-45-238-195.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:14] evenin all [09:15] Heya cbx33 [09:16] G'day cbx33 [09:16] hi Yagisan [09:16] bddebian, this Iconcache thingamajig [09:16] i see you've participated [09:17] Well I've tried :-) [09:17] what needs to be added to the debian/rules? [09:17] is it worth me having a look [09:17] I know I'm not an ubuntu-motu [09:18] I may be able to work on a few pacakges [09:18] cbx33: Unfortunately probably not. It's pretty much a quick one-line change and an upload [09:18] can someone poke http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2272 ? [09:18] ok [09:19] sorry bddebian [09:19] bddebian, wondering if you could give me someinput on a fix [09:20] cbx33: Don't be sorry [09:20] there is a line in a patch that has been added in the debian/patchs folder [09:20] but i need to patch it if you know what i mean [09:20] Yes [09:20] i can't edit the patch [09:21] so do i need to make another path [09:21] patch [09:21] Just a line change or adding another line? [09:21] that patches the patch [09:21] it's editing a line that was edited in the previous patch already === cassidy [n=cassidy@f1-pc174.ulb.ac.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:22] bddebian: is a gnome applet [09:22] any ideas? [09:23] as I'm unsure what the proper procedure is here [09:23] infinito: OK [09:24] cbx33: Give me a sec [09:24] np [09:24] jpatrick: building now [09:24] weh nyou have a sec [09:24] bddebian: cool [09:25] cbx33: you can sort of edit the patch [09:25] LaserJock, I tried it and it didn't work [09:25] cbx33: Is it a totally different line, or just changing a line already in the patch? [09:25] cbx33: if you cp the source into a tmp dir and then apply the patch, and then make your changes and recreate the patch [09:26] LaserJock, that's what I was thinking [09:27] yesterday, and i need to confirm this.... i tried creating the Source pacakge with no modification and it bombed out compolaing about not being able to apply the patch [09:27] I'll double check it now [09:29] LaserJock, thanks for the help with the chroot problem yesterday...cleared it right up [09:29] was wondering if you wanted to add that to your docs [09:29] about the LC_ALL=C [09:29] cos that drove me nuts :p [09:31] night guys [09:31] see you at the hug day tomorrow [09:32] nn dholbach [09:32] dholbach: night [09:32] bddebian: thanks for reviewing [09:32] cya dholbach, I'll try to make it as much as possible [09:32] night cbx33, LaserJock, jpatrick [09:32] rock on! [09:32] rock on dholbach === cbx33 makes the rock sign :p [09:32] we need an ubunutu sign :p [09:33] woohoo! [09:33] *wave* [09:33] o/ [09:34] brb [09:35] I just start playing my "Princes of the Universe" .ogg ;-) [09:40] how many reviews need a pkg to get uploaded? [09:40] two [09:40] ogra: ping [09:40] bddebian: any word? [09:40] and is it possible to get into dapper a pkg in revu? [09:40] until tomorrow === cbx33 [n=pete@84-45-238-195.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:41] wb cbx33 [09:41] thanky [09:41] jpatrick: until tomorrow? [09:42] what do i need to make man scrollable...it's just acting like more at the moment [09:42] vi possibly? [09:42] infinito: i think [09:42] jpatrick: Is mjpegtools in multiverse? [09:42] bddebian: er, yes [09:42] so i think im out of luck :( [09:42] Gah, lame, hang on [09:46] what options do we use when creating a patch here? [09:49] if a pkg on revu is accepted and uploaded, when ther's a new upstream version, should it be uploaded to revu again? [09:50] Yagisan: i really dont like the idea of changing every source package, unless the goal is to only cover a handful of daemons [09:50] Yagisan: but fair enough for testing [09:50] Yagisan: no games here :) === seth|lappy [n=seth@ubuntu/member/seth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:52] cbx33: For dpatch, use dpatch-edit-patch [09:53] cbx33: If it is a dpatch you could even try dpatch-edit-patch ? === jouni__m [n=jouni@laku34.adsl.netsonic.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:55] tseng: for testing I'll do it on a package by package basis to see what works. It would be nice to build with ssp on by default though [09:56] tseng: assuming minimal breakage [09:56] yeah [09:56] cbx33: install less and man is scrollable :) [09:57] i think in gentoo i had a list of stuff that was notably broken [09:57] ah swat i thought [09:57] thanx slomo [09:57] but i deleted that wiki [09:59] Yagisan: i am afraid of what kind of disaster id be walking into if i joined #gentoo-hardened-dev to ask about it [10:00] Sheesh jpatrick, this is taking forever :-) [10:00] tseng: pity. I thought I'd try a few games that could run as servers, and some common utils first [10:00] bddebian: I too was suprised [10:01] tseng: unfortunately the first game I tried, needs more work then expected === Kyral [n=kyral@HyperDream.hamlin.clarkson.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:04] Heya Kyral [10:04] Meh meh MEH!!! [10:06] Damn the NVidia Drivers to HELL [10:07] heh, what vesa not good enough for you? [10:07] No, they are causing instability in my system [10:07] and right now I'm underclocked due to a heatwave [10:08] of course, it's Nvidia, that's what it is supposed to do [10:08] hmm, I just ssh and don't worry about all that silly X stuff [10:08] Kyral: that's why I won't buy nVidia [10:08] Kyral: using the repo or upstream ? [10:08] hub: what would you buy? [10:08] Yagisan: Oh, I'm on ArchLinux :P [10:09] LaserJock: I have an Intel in my laptop [10:09] hub: never used new ati then have you ? [10:09] but on Kubuntu the problem persisted [10:09] old Radeon with the free driver [10:09] Yagisan: ATI is as much evil [10:09] hub: I said new for a reason [10:09] binary drivers are Evil [10:09] Do the ATI Free apply to the newer cards? [10:09] I've never had any problems with my nvidia cards [10:10] LaserJock: is the driver available for PowerPC to run on a Mac with Linux? [10:11] Kyral: no, (well some experimental support IIRC) [10:11] the latest ATI don't even have a binary shit for linux [10:11] because ATI do not care [10:11] hub: hmm? I've never run linux on a mac [10:12] LaserJock: I have for a long time [10:12] LaserJock: fortunately I had a Rage128 in it [10:13] my iMac has a x1600 but I haven't tested it out or anything [10:13] morning [10:13] hi ajmitch [10:13] morning ajmitch [10:13] LaserJock: X1600 does not have a Linux driver at all [10:14] hub: exactly, so if I *could* boot linux on this thing I wouldn't much fun with X === Kyral [n=kyral@HyperDream.hamlin.clarkson.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:15] grrr [10:15] I think my VidCard is going [10:16] Kyral: not fun [10:16] bddebian: you can just say yes [10:16] This damn thing keeps seizing up anytime I enable ANY kinda of Acceleration [10:16] Kyral: I had a GFMX440 die in a heatwave here [10:16] jpatrick: ? [10:17] Kyral: renderaccel turned on ? [10:17] No [10:17] Turned off [10:17] hell I was just using NV with DRI [10:17] bddebian: for the package [10:17] Kyral: ok. that eliminates that major source of problems [10:17] Turning it on or off? [10:17] Kyral: you get dri with nv ? [10:17] dunno [10:17] Kyral: turning it off [10:17] hmm [10:18] I do like Arch's idea [10:19] they provide a Daemon that checks at boot to see if the NVidia driver has been compiled for the current Kernel and if it hasn't it compiles it on the fly [10:19] jpatrick: Ah === Yagisan eating. bbl [10:26] bddebian: thanks === No1Viking [n=Viking@h-83-140-104-3.ip.cust.port80.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dudus [n=dudus@200.245.31.150] has joined #ubuntu-motu === womble [n=mpalmer@eth359.nsw.adsl.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === redguy [n=mati@ads171.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:53] Sheesh, cernlib is a pig [10:58] bddebian: heh, glad I don't have to do it then ;-) === bddebian hands it off to LaserJock [10:58] noooooo [10:58] Speaking of which, there is a WAY newer version of dx in Debian === marcin` [n=marcin@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:58] heh, beta freeze is in 3 hours, so... no. [10:59] nooooo [10:59] does it affect universe too? [11:00] yes [11:00] what freeze? [11:00] ;-) [11:01] I wouldn't think beta freeze would affect Universe [11:01] FF didn't seem to [11:02] eh, both UVF and FF applied. We just were a bit more slack. [11:02] FF didn't according to mdz [11:02] or my reading of mdz ;-) === bddebian hides [11:08] I honestly have no idea what applies and what doesn't anymore. We *really* have to fix that for Dapper+1 [11:09] UVF and FF were supposed to apply to universe just as stringently. What actually ended up happening... [11:10] in any case, I'm deferring thinking about new ones until dapper+1, because we only have a month til this whole shebang is released, so bugsquashing it is [11:10] +1 [11:11] I think we just might want to be a little more consistent next time ;-) [11:12] certainly. === Sergi0 [n=serge@ip227-28-166-62.adsl.versatel.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:12] the whole n-m and wpasupplicant -> main is a bit sour in my mouth, but I realise its relative importance to many users. [11:14] Yeah but something like dx has no rdepends [11:14] :-) [11:14] bddebian: you get the tar and feathering when it breaks, then :p [11:15] Well it's currently FTBFS so what could be the issue? :-) [11:15] it does? [11:16] oh, probably !386 [11:17] err [11:18] bddebian: are you talking about the same dx I am? [11:18] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/dx/1:4.3.2-7 <-- [11:18] (unless you mean from Debian, probably?) [11:21] How about adding ffmpeg2theora to dapper? It could export ogg theora packed video from kino (or from command line) I installed it from debian unstable. It seems to work well. [11:22] crimsun: Yes. [11:22] jouni__m: we're way past FF. [11:24] bddebian: heh, just wait for Debian to remove it, that seems to be solving our problems today ;p [11:25] LaserJock: Heh, no kidding :-) [11:32] crimsun: I may have lied.. [11:34] Oh well, gotta head home, later gang === jouni__m [n=jouni@laku34.adsl.netsonic.fi] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Ex-Chat"] === marcin` [n=marcin@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-motu === incon [n=incon@dsl-202-72-154-96.wa.westnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:51] autoconf should come with /usr/share/libtool/install.sh ? [11:54] incon: automake ships that, AFAIK [11:54] well, install.sh in general [11:59] well when a run autoconf it doesnt have a sad now [11:59] azeem: thank you