[12:07] <bddebian> What does this mean:?
[12:07] <bddebian> debian/rules:78: warning: overriding commands for target `unpatch'
[12:07] <bddebian> /usr/share/dpatch/dpatch.make:34: warning: ignoring old commands for target `unpatch'
[12:07] <crimsun> you've made your own unpatch target in debian/rules
[12:08] <bddebian> Yes, do I not need to?
[12:08] <crimsun> I've never included any dpatch files if I'm using straight dh
[12:08] <bddebian> So how do I do it right?
[12:08] <LaserJock> bddebian: I had the same for a package I did from scratch with dpatch apply-all
[12:09] <crimsun> I've only modified debian/rules's patch & clean and added patch-stamp and clean-patched as in dpatch(1)
[12:09] <bddebian> LaserJock: That's what I wanted to do but there's no patch target
[12:10] <bddebian> build was:  build: patch build-stamp  but patch: didn't exist
[12:11] <bddebian> Should I do:
[12:11] <LaserJock> bddebian: this is what my debian/rules looks like http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12052
[12:11] <bddebian> patch: patch-stamp
[12:11] <crimsun> please just pastebin debian/rules :)
[12:11] <bddebian> gah
[12:12] <bddebian> LaserJock: Where do you touch patch-stamp, or does dpatch apply-all do that for you?
[12:12] <LaserJock> yes, dpatch does it
[12:12] <LaserJock> I didn't know that at first and so I had a patch-stamp sitting around :(
[12:16] <bddebian> I still get a warning
[12:16] <bddebian> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12053
[12:16] <LaserJock> crimsun: sorry to bug you, but do you have an idea of when you will be able to finish basic.xml? I need to coordinate some things for the translators.
[12:17] <LaserJock> bddebian: I always have a warning with mine too
[12:18] <bddebian> Bah, I hate warnings :-)
[12:18] <bddebian> I guess I can leave it and let the Debian maintainer deal with it :)
[12:19] <LaserJock> yeah, that is always a sure way to get something done ;-)
[12:19] <crimsun> the warning is expected if you use the dpatch.make(7) method
[12:19] <bddebian> Frickin' qgis takes FOREVER to build :-(
[12:21] <LaserJock> hmm, so with dpatch.make you are just supposed to need the rules, no commands?
[12:22] <crimsun> correct
[12:22] <crimsun> the only time you need to use dpatch {de}apply-all is the non-dpatch.make(7) way
[12:23] <crimsun> that's why you get a warning by using adding dpatch {de}apply-all
[12:23] <crimsun> s/using/
[12:23] <crimsun> /g
[12:23] <LaserJock> hmm, well maybe somebody needs to tell dh_make that
[12:23] <crimsun> no, we just need to read the man pages more closely
[12:24] <LaserJock> yeah, that too ;-)
[12:24] <crimsun> it clearly states in dpatch.make(7) that you only need to change the targets to depend on patch and unpatch
[12:25] <LaserJock> yes, but the rules file created by dh_make includes dpatch.make and dpatch apply patch so that is somewhat misleading
[12:25] <crimsun> yep, nasty.
[12:25] <crimsun> dh_make is being deprecated in Debian
[12:25] <LaserJock> in favor of?
[12:25] <ajmitch> checkinstall
[12:26] <crimsun> sorry, debmake.
[12:26] <crimsun> <3 thinkos
[12:27] <crimsun> hah, checkinstall. That would...hurt.
[12:27] <LaserJock> debmake is to replace dh_make?
[12:27] <crimsun> no, debmake is being deprecated, not dh_make.
[12:28] <LaserJock> ok, but you said that dh_make is being depreciated
[12:28] <crimsun> yes, that's a thinko on my part.
[12:28] <LaserJock> ok, sorry
[12:28] <crimsun> (http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/03/msg00019.html)
[12:32] <LaserJock> hmm,  well I don't see a bug filed in Debian about it :/
[12:32] <crimsun> you get to be the lucky bearer
[12:33] <LaserJock> arggh, I'll try it again. BTS hates me :(
[12:39] <ajmitch> bye bddebian
[12:40] <bddebian> ajmitch: Bah, YOU wouldn't miss me :-)
[12:40] <ajmitch> gee, thanks for that
[12:40] <crimsun> your children might. Think of the children!
[12:41] <bddebian> ajmitch: Well all I seem to do is either anger you with my stupid questions or offend you with my "humor" :-)
[12:45] <bddebian> crimsun: So, wanna tell my dumb-ass how I add a binary icon file to a package with the diff.gz?
[12:48] <LaserJock> bddebian: your questions don't anger. I learned something important from the dpatch thing
[12:51] <bddebian> LaserJock: Hey, since it's for your Science team, do you know how I add the icon file?
[12:52] <LaserJock> bddebian: you want to add a binary icon?
[12:52] <bddebian> LaserJock: Yeah, the one posted for achilles
[12:53] <LaserJock> where?
[12:53] <LaserJock> I don't see a bug
[12:53] <bddebian> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/achilles/+bug/36362
[12:53] <crimsun> the uu{en,de}code method?
[12:54] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 36362 in achilles "Missing .desktop file" [Minor,Confirmed] 
[12:54] <bddebian> crimsun: probably
[12:55] <LaserJock> bddebian: just a sec, if it has a svg then raphink a a great idea about creating the image in debian/rules or something like that
[12:56] <bddebian> OK
[12:56] <raphink> bddebian: http://www.raphink.info/adding-icons-to-debian-packages
[12:56] <raphink> if that's what LaserJock meant ;)
[12:56] <LaserJock> darn it, beat me to it
[12:57] <raphink> hehe
[12:57] <raphink> LaserJock: I know my blog ;)
[12:57] <raphink> and my IRC client pings me when you drop my nick ;)
[12:57] <LaserJock> bddebian: the other option (raphink, don't listen) would be to convert it to a .xpm or something like that
[12:57] <raphink> :p
[12:58] <crimsun> good ole xml
[12:59] <bddebian> eeks
[01:00] <raphink> crimsun: svg is xml too :)
[01:00] <crimsun> raphink: that's why I said xml.
[01:00] <raphink> ooh ok :)
[01:01] <raphink> so you're rather supporting my method if I get you
[01:01] <crimsun> raphink: I think it's useful
[01:01] <raphink> ok
[01:02] <raphink> good to hear
[01:02] <raphink> as I had no comment on it
[01:08] <LaserJock> raphink: hmm, btw I'm 72% nerd, 47% geek, and 55% dork :-)
[01:08] <raphink> HEHE
[01:10] <robotgeek> raphink: lot of people did that test later :)
[01:10] <raphink> :)
[01:35] <bddebian> Gaaah, freakin' idiot
[02:07] <bluefoxicy> has anyone gotten fedora directory server and fedora managemet console on ubuntu?
[02:11] <bluefoxicy> tritium:  do you know if anyone has gotten fedora directory server and fedora managemet console on ubuntu?
[02:12] <tritium> bluefoxicy: no idea
[02:22] <LaserJock> hi tritium!
[02:22] <tritium> Hi LaserJock :)
[02:22] <ToadZzZztool> 'night motus
[02:27] <sladen> bluefoxicy: I think I saw Debian pcakages
[02:28] <bluefoxicy> sladen:  for which?
[02:28] <bluefoxicy> sladen:  I want a gcj native fedora management console and fedora directory server... :>
[02:29] <bluefoxicy> bah the box behind me has no DVD drive
[03:07] <LaserJock> hmm, pretty dead in here
[03:07] <LaserJock> you would think people were working if you didn't know better :-)
[03:08] <crimsun> [actually I am] 
[03:10] <ajmitch> work?
[03:10] <ajmitch> hm
[03:10] <ajmitch> novel concept
[03:21] <Kyral> I'm recompiling KDE and just returned from helping someone recover GRUB
[04:36] <bddebian> w00t..
[04:36] <LaserJock> heah, now
[04:37] <bddebian> LaserJock: It works, thanks!
[04:43] <bddebian> ajmitch: Still here?
[04:45] <ajmitch> define 'here'
[04:50] <ajmitch> bddebian: did you have a question? :)
[04:52] <LaserJock> bddebian: many thanks for fixing qgis
[04:52] <bddebian> ajmitch: Yeah :-)  ygraph is FTBFSing on the buildd because it needs an autoconf/etc.  How do I do that properly to save it in the package?
[04:52] <bddebian> LaserJock: NP
[04:54] <ajmitch> either do it in debian/rules (and add build-deps)
[04:54] <ajmitch> or do it before you build the source package\
[04:56] <bddebian> ajmitch: That's the weird thing.  I did it before I uploaded my version??
[04:58] <bddebian> So for MOTUScience Bugs, it's bddebian 20 something?  LaserJock ??  ;-P
[05:00] <ajmitch> bddebian: if the changes aren't in the diff.gz, they didn't stick :)
[05:03] <bddebian> Stephe!!!
[05:03] <\sh> fast and last visit to my fellow motus :)
[05:03] <bddebian> +n
[05:03] <bddebian> Last visit???
[05:03] <crimsun> how's sh doing?
[05:04] <\sh> well, I have to decrease costs and shut down my server :)
[05:05] <crimsun> (understandable)
[05:05] <LaserJock> \sh: HELLOO!!!
[05:05] <\sh> so, at this point, I have to get rid of my domains, and therefore my accounts on several portalsides will be closed as well...
[05:06] <ajmitch> hey \sh
[05:06] <ajmitch> good to see you're still alive & kicking :)
[05:06] <ajmitch> where are you living at the moment?
[05:07] <\sh> still in my flat, landlord is trying to chase me out, but I won't go :)
[05:07] <ajmitch> :)
[05:07] <ajmitch> got any more offers for your domains?
[05:07] <ajmitch> hoping for 100K euros? :)
[05:08] <\sh> hehe....I don't hope anymore...and was no joke...last offer, was 50k but i don't think nowadays someone wants to buy this domain from me :)
[05:08] <\sh> but sourcecode.de is the last domain, I will fight for, believe me
[05:09] <\sh> ok, guys, I don't want to stress the line...
[05:10] <crimsun> well, take care til next time
[05:10] <bddebian> Take care \sh.  Let us (me?) know if I can do anything!
[05:10] <\sh> I'm just here to tell you, that I want to remove my account from launchpad and give back my upload rights.
[05:10] <ajmitch> I hope everything goes ok & you can keep eating
[05:10] <bddebian> Nooo
[05:10] <\sh> barry, no server, no mail, no nothing :) believe me, for me it's the right thing
[05:11] <bddebian> OK man, but take care of yourself :-)
[05:11] <\sh> btw...anyone heard something from ogra?
[05:11] <bddebian> ajmitch: Any chance you would mind trying ygraph for me?
[05:12] <ajmitch> like what? he was last in here a few hours ago
[05:12] <bddebian> \sh: He's usually here
[05:12] <LaserJock> \sh: we will be thinking about you dude, take care.
[05:12] <\sh> ah ok...I wrote him a mail, so I hope he's answering
[05:12] <\sh> ok..cu folks...have a good time with the dapper release :)
[05:12] <\sh> so long
[05:12] <bddebian> Damn :-(
[05:12] <ajmitch> wouldn't surprise me if it's in a pile of 10K other unread messages
[05:13] <ajmitch> ah man
[05:13] <bddebian> LaserJock: Did you ever request a sync of tyvis?
[05:13] <LaserJock> arggh, no
[05:13] <LaserJock> I still need to figure out what exactly needs to be done
[05:14] <LaserJock> is it a sync of tyvis or warped that we need?
[05:14] <bddebian> Sorry, you're right, it's warped
[05:15] <bddebian> Then need a rebuild of tyvis against that libwarped0
[05:17] <LaserJock> hmm, the tyvis version isn't right I don't think
[05:17] <LaserJock> ogra must have made a typo
[05:24] <bddebian> :-)
[05:26] <LaserJock> man, these MOTUs are a sloppy bunch ;p
[05:26] <bddebian> Hmm, I see xmakemol FTBFSs too
[05:31] <bddebian> Heya zakame
[05:31] <zakame> is there a prob with digikam's source package?  I could not get to dpkg-source -x it
[05:31] <zakame> hello bddebian!
[05:31] <zakame> hi jsgotangco
[05:31] <jsgotangco> yo!
[05:32] <jsgotangco> why did he get a ! and none for me..you seen uninterested at all...
[05:32] <jsgotangco> :)
[05:32] <bddebian> heh
[05:32] <zakame> hi jsgotangco!
[05:33] <crimsun> LaserJock: yeah, I'd hate to see the packaging guide... :p
[05:33] <LaserJock> yeah, full of policy violations. Typos all over the place, and lets not even talk about grammar ;-)
[05:34] <zakame> lol
[05:35] <bddebian> Ack, ajmitch is rubbing off on LaserJock :)
[05:35] <LaserJock> hehe
[05:36] <LaserJock> if only
[05:39] <LaserJock> brb, gotta clean some $1200USD mirrors without scratching them
[05:44] <ajmitch> bddebian: is it so wrong to be right? ;)
[05:47] <LaserJock> hmm, well I'm pretty bummed out about \sh. I should probably do the same thing though
[05:47] <bddebian> ajmitch: Nope, that's why I love you honey :-)
[05:47] <bddebian> LaserJock: ???
[05:48] <LaserJock> well, I definately need to readjust my Ubuntu work for Dapper+1
[05:48] <bddebian> Nah, just wait until the last minute to do anything, like me :-)
[05:48] <LaserJock> I've been neglecting my PhD and my wife and my house entirely too much since the first of the year
[05:48] <LaserJock> but I'm so addicted to Ubuntu
[05:49] <bddebian>  x11proto-gl-dev has replaced xlibmesa-gl-dev?
[05:49] <bddebian> LaserJock: Heh, I know that feeling :-)
[05:50] <bddebian> WTF is this: ???
[05:50] <bddebian> #ifdef GL
[05:50] <bddebian> #include <GL/GLwMDrawA.h>  /* OpenGL drawing area widget */
[05:50] <bddebian> #endif /* GL */
[05:54] <theCore> LaserJock: computers are indeed addictives, you just need to find the right balance between real life and computers ...
[05:54] <LaserJock> yes, it is just a fight right now ;-)
[05:54] <LaserJock> I think I can get away with 2 hrs a night of computer work
[05:55] <LaserJock> instead of the ~ 10 hrs a day I do now :-)
[05:55] <LaserJock> mostly my problem is this stupid IRC
[05:55] <LaserJock> I love hanging out with you guys
[05:56] <theCore> LaserJock: indeed, IRC is a time sink
[05:56] <LaserJock> I start a project and then people start talking to me and I go chasing down all these other things and then the day is done and I didn't get done what I wanted to
[05:57] <LaserJock> my wife says I have "issues" ;-)
[05:57] <bddebian> Heh, welcome to the club man :-)
[05:58] <bddebian> Hmm, I can't find any packages that contain GLwMDrawA.h
[05:58] <theCore> bddebian: that's a wierd header
[05:59] <wasabi> So I'm trying to come up with a file format... and need some sort of mime magic field in it. Thing is the file format is basically a signed GPG document.
[05:59] <wasabi> Think it sounds safe to put some magic marker at the top?
[05:59] <wasabi> humans have to fill it in =(
[05:59] <bddebian> theCore: I agree
[06:00] <theCore> bddebian: it's for Motif
[06:00] <theCore> bddebian: lesstif2-dev I think
[06:00] <bddebian> Aye, but I have that
[06:01] <theCore> bddebian: then, maybe xlibmesa-gl-dev
[06:02] <bddebian> That's been replaced by x11proto-gl-dev afaict
[06:04] <LaserJock> bddebian: oh crap, Debian removed tyvis
[06:05] <bddebian> Nice
[06:06] <Gloubiboulga> hello
[06:06] <bddebian> Ah xlibmesa-gl-dev used to provide it
[06:06] <bddebian> Hmm
[06:07] <LaserJock> bddebian: I'm not sure what that means for us. But apparently elmo removed it because it went 2 years with 2 RC bugs
[06:07] <LaserJock> hi Gloubiboulga
[06:07] <ajmitch> LaserJock: it's annoying when that happens :)
[06:08] <LaserJock> well, at least I know why I couldn't apt-cache showsrc it ;-)
[06:08] <bddebian> heh
[06:08] <bddebian> Heya Gloubiboulga
[06:10] <Gloubiboulga> LaserJock, bddebian hi :)
[06:14] <LaserJock> yeah, I found 3 new package in Debian that we should have
[06:14] <ajmitch> bddebian: wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Transitions/GLU
[06:15] <ajmitch> has the various GL* headers that got changed & what they were replaced with
[06:16] <bddebian> Sheesh, I just can't keep up
[06:17] <bddebian> Well that's apparently wrong because libgl-dev doesn't work
[06:19] <ajmitch> the libgl-dev was for compatibility with debian, iirc
[06:19] <ajmitch> but debian doesn't have it now :)
[06:19] <ajmitch> X11R7 just got into sid yesterday
[06:46] <calamari> hi
[06:47] <ajmitch> hello
[06:48] <bddebian> Gnight folks
[06:48] <bddebian> Hi calamari, gnight calamari :-)
[06:49] <calamari> I'm creating a package, and am a little confused by $DESTDIR  .. do I need to change my Makefile to use this?
[06:49] <Gloubiboulga> gnight bddebian
[06:49] <calamari> cya bddebian  :)
[06:51] <Gloubiboulga> calamari, if $DESTDIR is not used, $(MAKE) install will try to install the files on your system, not in the debian/<package> dir
[06:53] <calamari> right now I have a line "prefix = /usr/local" so I just want "prefix = $DESTDIR/usr/local" ?
[06:54] <calamari> or should I not be using local either?
[06:54] <Gloubiboulga> hmm, prefix should be '/usr'
[06:54] <calamari> ok
[06:54] <Gloubiboulga> and $DESTDIR is usually used in the 'install' rule iirc
[06:55] <Gloubiboulga> with something like 'install file $(DESTDIR)/$(prefix)/'
[06:56] <calamari> ahh, okay, thanks!
[06:56] <Gloubiboulga> np :)
[07:14] <LaserJock> crimsun: thank you, thank you , thank you
[07:20] <calamari> Gloubiboulga: install: cannot create regular file `/home/calamari/programming/c/debian/delayedunlink-1.0.0/debian/delayedunlink//usr/lib/libdelayedunlink.so.1.0.0': No such file or directory
[07:21] <calamari> I guess it's saying that I need to create /usr/lib ?
[07:21] <Gloubiboulga> yep
[07:21] <calamari> wonder why the install program doesn't do that for me
[07:22] <Gloubiboulga> I think it doesn't use the autotools
[07:22] <Gloubiboulga> the Makefile is certainly a custom one :)
[07:22] <calamari> yeah I created the Makefile
[07:23] <calamari> and I'm really bad at them :)
[07:24] <Gloubiboulga> Autotools are really the best solution to create makefiles ;)
[07:24] <calamari> yeah, I tried using it and failed
[07:24] <calamari> it is also very complicated hehehe
[07:29] <calamari> should I remove cron.d.ex ?
[07:31] <Gloubiboulga> you can remove every .ex file you don't need
[07:33] <dholbach> good morning motu world!
[07:34] <Gloubiboulga> morning dholbach
[07:34] <dholbach> hey Gloubiboulga
[07:35] <calamari> hmm I guess I need to create a secret key
[07:43] <calamari> hmm
[07:43] <calamari> got that, now :)  dpkg-genchanges: error: badly formed line in files list file
[07:43] <calamari> hehehe
[07:44] <calamari> I'm assuming it means debian/files ?
[07:53] <calamari> any ideas?
[07:54] <calamari> would probably help if I pasted the whole line, sorry.. oops: dpkg-genchanges: error: badly formed line in files list file, line 1
[07:55] <calamari> debian/files contains only one line: delayedunlink_1.0.0-0ubuntu1_i386.deb Base System optional
[07:58] <dholbach> calamari: what did you do before?
[07:58] <calamari> dholbach: I'm sorry, I don't understand what you mean
[07:58] <dholbach> what lead to this message
[07:58] <dholbach> debian/files should be autogenerated, so nothing to worry about
[07:59] <calamari> dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot
[07:59] <dholbach> something else must have gone wrong beforehand
[07:59] <dholbach> can you upload that package source package somehere?
[08:00] <calamari> http://kidsquid.com/files/ubuntu/delayedunlink-1.0.0.tar.gz
[08:02] <dholbach> can't find that host
[08:02] <dholbach> ah now it works
[08:03] <dholbach> um
[08:03] <dholbach> there is no debian/ directory
[08:03] <calamari> oh, I misunderstood what you wanted
[08:03] <calamari> that was the original source
[08:04] <dholbach> right
[08:04] <calamari> hmm actually maybe it was unimportant.. the deb archive was created
[08:04] <calamari> didn't notice that before now
[08:05] <dholbach> ah ok
[08:06] <calamari> uploaded it here http://68.105.135.51:1023/debian.tar.gz
[08:06] <dholbach> can'T connect
[08:07] <Toadstool> heya motus
[08:08] <dholbach> calamari: ok, works now
[08:08] <dholbach> hey Toadstool
[08:08] <calamari> dholbach: hmm weird.. restarted apache.,. any better now?
[08:08] <Toadstool> hi dholbach
[08:10] <calamari> well, the deb works in any case.. so I'm unconcerned :)
[08:10] <calamari> Gloubiboulga, dholbach: thanks a lot for your help! :)
[08:11] <Gloubiboulga> calamari, np :)
[08:11] <dholbach> calamari: you can remove all the .ex stuff and substvars/files - that's all not needed
[08:12] <calamari> dholbach: oic.. does it all get included in the deb?
[08:12] <dholbach> no, but it's easier to get an overview without them :)
[08:12] <dholbach> the .ex are examples you don't need, substvars and files are generated during the build
[08:13] <dholbach> and the problem you faced was the Section you set in debian/control
[08:13] <dholbach> if you change "Base System" to "devel" (or whatever might fit and is a section), it works :)
[08:24] <calamari> where can I announce this package?
[08:30] <LaserJock> dholbach: have you uploaded ubuntu-docs yet? I just made a commit that should go in
[08:32] <dholbach> LaserJock: no, I didn't
[08:32] <dholbach> i'm wading through myriads of bug mails atm
[08:33] <LaserJock> dholbach: good, for me anyway ;-)
[08:33] <dholbach> so take your time whatever you're going to fix
[08:33] <dholbach> i'll do it later (in my evening)
[08:33] <dholbach> so ~10h
[08:33] <LaserJock> well, I've got to go to bed so I'm done I think
[08:34] <LaserJock> good night
[08:46] <magnon> aaah. my bank closes its net bank during easter. *puzzle*
[08:49] <dholbach> magnon: HEY!
[08:49] <magnon> hey :)
[08:49] <dholbach> magnon: give the poor computers a rest too :-P
[08:50] <magnon> apparently they're making a new system
[08:50] <magnon> but normal people have a stage and prod
[08:54] <dholbach> ah yeah... the big transitions in companies are always around easter
[08:59] <magnon> hm. internal dns servers are going down...
[09:18] <zakame> hi al
[09:20] <Gloubiboulga> morning zakame
[09:27] <zakame> hello Gloubiboulga
[10:12] <Yagisan> ajmitch: around ?
[10:19] <zakame> hi all
[10:19] <zakame> what's with malone 39242 ?
[10:19] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39242 in arson "arson will not update or remove using apt error" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/39242
[10:20] <zakame> it probably needs a semi-static postinst that would create the iconcache for /usr/share/icons/locolor/ ... what do you think? =)
[10:24] <zakame> hi jpatrick
[10:24] <jpatrick> hi zakame
[10:25] <Yagisan> G'day zakame
[10:26] <zakame> hello Yagisan
[10:28] <Yagisan> zakame: how have you been ? I've been playing with GCC 4.1 and am trying to work out why I get this error: /usr/lib/deng/libdropengl.so.0: undefined symbol: __stack_chk_fail_local.
[10:29] <zakame> here committing arson ;-)
[10:30] <zakame> gaah only on gcc 4.1 ?
[10:30] <Yagisan> zakame: yep. the -fstack-protector flag
[10:30] <Yagisan> zakame: and I know I included the libssp-dev in the build-deps too
[10:31] <zakame> hmm, yet another mystery to solve :)
[10:31] <zakame> dholbach: ping
[10:32] <zakame> oh crap I'm late :(
[10:32] <zakame> bbl! :D
[10:32] <dholbach> zakame: pong
[10:32] <zakame> dholbach: I've seem to hit a snag with arson in malone 39242
[10:32] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39242 in arson "arson will not update or remove using apt error" [Major,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/39242
[10:34] <zakame> bbl anyhow, I'm late for a meeting :(
[10:34] <dholbach> zakame: ok... we should rebuild it and check if that still happens
[10:34] <dholbach> zakame: i'll do that - have fun in the meeting
[10:35] <zakame> thanks! :D
[10:36] <freeflying> dholbach: I wanna improve my package in universe , after change it , how shall do
[10:36] <dholbach> freeflying: there's always room for improvement - what are you up to? anything specific in mind? anything that's wrong with it?
[10:37] <freeflying> dholbach: I just wanna rewrite the description for more detail
[10:37] <dholbach> freeflying: sounds good
[10:38] <dholbach> freeflying: you want to know how to do that?
[10:38] <freeflying> dholbach: after rewrite , what shall I do ?
[10:39] <dholbach> you mean apart from:   apt-get source <package>; cd <package>*; vim debian/control; dch -i -Ddapper; debuild -S  ?
[10:40] <freeflying> dholbach: y
[10:40] <dholbach> that's all you need to do
[10:41] <freeflying> dholbach: can I upload it ?
[10:41] <jpatrick> freeflying: should be able to if you're in ubuntu-devel
[10:42] <freeflying> jpatrick: thx
[01:27] <ajmitch> evening
[01:28] <Gloubiboulga> hi ajmitch
[01:31] <jpatrick> afternoon
[01:35] <ajmitch> hi Hobbsee
[01:35] <Hobbsee> hey ajmitch :)
[01:35] <Mithrandir> ajmitch, Hobbsee :-)
[01:36] <Hobbsee> hi Mithrandir :)
[01:37] <ajmitch> morning Mithrandir, how's it going?
[01:40] <Mithrandir> slowly, trying to weed out some live cd bugs.
[01:40] <kelmo> hi people, any madwifi users in the house?
[01:41] <Mithrandir> wondering why usplash seems to not pick up the timeout command from casper.
[02:41] <carthik> I filed a bug on grub-splashimages. Now I see that in Debian, the bug has been fixed. Will the ubuntu grub-splashimages be updated with the changes in the debian package before Dapper is out?
[03:03] <TheMuso> c
[03:04] <zul> heylo
[03:32] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:32] <Hobbsee> hi bddebian
[03:33] <bddebian> Hello Hobbsee
[03:35] <balachmar> Hi people, I am thinking about really doing something for the ubuntu community and I have read that this is the place where I could help getting new software available for ubuntu
[03:35] <Hobbsee> argh!
[03:36] <Tm_T> :o
[03:36] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: hello there
[03:36] <Hobbsee> hi Tm_T
[03:37] <Tm_T> what's up
[03:37] <balachmar> But since I don't have any experience with packaging I am wondering how I could learn to do so and with which program to start :)
[03:37] <Hobbsee> not a lot - i'm thinking that it must be the timezoen for ESL speakers though...
[03:38] <balachmar> ESL speakers?
[03:38] <Tm_T> :)
[03:38] <balachmar> what are ESL speakers?
[03:39] <StevenK> Eastern Seaboard .... ?
[03:39] <jamessan> english as a second language
[03:39] <StevenK> Apparently, I was way off
[03:39] <jamessan> at least that's what I always thought it meant  *shrug*
[03:40] <balachmar> Well, since the UK is almost in the same timezone as I am... I think there will be some EFL speakers around as well :)
[03:40] <Hobbsee> oh, sorry...english as a second language, yeah
[03:41] <Hobbsee> the ones that have such mangled grammar that makes them not understandable are the ones in particular that make it hard
[03:41] <balachmar> You mean me?
[03:42] <jamessan> quite frequently, ESL speakers speak better English than EFL
[03:42] <Hobbsee> balachmar: no, not at all...was referring to a few people in #kubuntu
[03:49] <bddebian> Heya tritium
[03:50] <Se7h> morning all
[03:57] <bddebian> Heya Se7h, Yagisan
[03:58] <tseng> hi bddebian
[03:58] <bddebian> Heya tseng
[03:58] <bddebian> Ah meeting time.. :-(
[04:08] <iegary> hi there... seeing as eric3 is broken, any possibility of eric providing an eric3 transitional package, and removing the eric3 source package from universe? I filed bug #39280 suggesting this...
[04:08] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39280 in eric "eric3 should be a transitional package, requiring eric" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/39280
[04:11] <Yagisan> G'day bddebian
[04:40] <trappist> a bug on linux-restricted-modules should be filed against which source package?
[04:40] <zul> linux-restricted-modules
[04:41] <trappist> there is no such source package in malone - it's broken up by version.  I assume that means I should choose 2.6.15 for dapper.
[04:45] <tritium> Morning, bddebian.
[04:46] <Hobbsee> night all...
[04:47] <Firefox_8> http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/iclk?sa=l&num=0&client=ca-ref-pub-9539129227107275&adurl=http://services.google.com/toolbar/firefox%3Fai%3DBwJ4mjRI9RL2hBaSg-QG8lrT_COmZ0hT5g7LRAcWNtwEAEAEgzsTsBUDIEkiiOVCD49ECoAG1lcj9A7IBD2JyZWFrLjI3NW1iLmNvbcgBAtoBKmh0dHA6Ly9icmVhay4yNzVtYi5jb20vYWRtaW4ucGhwP29wPXVwbG9hZIACAZUCJFM-Cg&ai=BIH_JjRI9RL2hBaSg-QG8lrT_COmZ0hT5g7LRAcWNtwEAEAEgzsTsBUDIEkiiOVCh1qyP_v____8BoAG1lcj9A7IBD2JyZWFrLjI
[04:47] <Hobbsee> okay then...
[04:49] <trappist> next question: the problem is a version mismatch between linux-restricted-modules and nvidia-glx, causing X to not start.  which package to file the bug on?
[04:51] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:51] <Hobbsee> go BearPerson go!
[04:52] <BearPerson> hmm... I'm out of shape...
[05:48] <LaserJock> morning MOTU world!
[05:48] <lucas> s/morning/evening/
[06:01] <truz24> lol
[06:02] <truz24> he must be on the west coast :-)
[06:02] <LaserJock> truz24: not all the way west coast, I'm still 15 miles from California ;-)
[06:12] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[06:33] <LaserJock> hiya bddebian
[06:34] <LaserJock> anybody know if you can update a pbuilder by doing pbuilder update --distribution <newdistro> --override-config ?
[06:35] <bddebian> Not without updating sources.list and such I don't think
[06:35] <bddebian> LaserJock: Looks like saoimage may have been dropped from Debian also?
[06:41] <LaserJock> bddebian: looks like it was replaced with saods9
[06:42] <LaserJock> bddebian: do you have a Ubuntu box you could test some pbuilder stuff for me? or are you at work?
[06:42] <bddebian> I'm at work but I might be able to test some stuff
[06:45] <LaserJock> bddebian: I just wonder if the line above works
[06:45] <LaserJock> bddebian: I think it might, basically womble was showing me how you never have to touch /etc/pbuilderrc or edit any config files
[06:46] <bddebian> hmm
[06:46] <LaserJock> and that would dramatically reduce the complexity of the Pbuilder Howto
[06:47] <Tonio_> hello all ;)
[06:47] <jpatrick> hi Tonio_
[06:48] <LaserJock> hi Tonio_ and jpatrick
[06:48] <bddebian> Heya Tonio_
[06:48] <LaserJock> bddebian: I'm going to file a bug to get tyvis and saoimage removed from Dapper
[06:48] <bddebian> LaserJock: OK, cool.  Are you going to update the bugs?
[06:53] <LaserJock> heh, not exactly a slave, but close :p
[06:53] <LaserJock> yeah, I'll take care of the bugs
[06:54] <bddebian> 'bout time you did SOMETHING.. ;-P
[06:55] <LaserJock> hehe, I got you to do all the work didn't I :-)
[06:57] <bddebian> LaserJock: creating a breezy pbuilder now, give me a few :-)
[06:58] <LaserJock> k
[06:58] <LaserJock> bddebian: btw, what URL have you been using to look at MOTU Science bugs?
[06:59] <bddebian> LaserJock: The one you gave me :-)   https://launchpad.net/people/motuscience/+assignedbugs
[07:02] <LaserJock> bddebian: muahaha, and you thought you were done
[07:02] <LaserJock> try out https://launchpad.net/people/motuscience/+subscribedbugs
[07:02] <bddebian> Oh, I AM done ;-P
[07:02] <truz24> LaserJock, what is your launchpad page?
[07:03] <bddebian> Ack, WTF d00d? :-)
[07:03] <LaserJock> truz24: https://launchpad.net/people/mantha/
[07:04] <LaserJock> bddebian: and if you feel like you have got a lot of time you could run through https://launchpad.net/people/motuscience/+packagebugs
[07:04] <LaserJock> but they should all be in one of the other two
[07:04] <truz24> LaserJock, development wise, where is there a strong need for help ?
[07:05] <LaserJock> everywhere ;-)
[07:05] <truz24> I'm looking for an entry point to get started :-)
[07:06] <LaserJock> well, right now we are in bug fix mode
[07:07] <truz24> how many hours do you find yourself working on the ubuntu project?
[07:08] <bddebian> Waay too many :-)
[07:08] <jpatrick> many
[07:08] <LaserJock> way way too many ;-)
[07:08] <LaserJock> the problem is that it is incredibly addictive
[07:08] <jpatrick> true
[07:08] <truz24> yes
[07:09] <truz24> You have a regular full time position tho right?
[07:09] <LaserJock> I'm a grad student
[07:10] <truz24> That should be even worse then :-)
[07:10] <truz24> With the research you're having to do.
[07:10] <truz24> I guess I'm looking for how many hours are expected from someone who has a regular 40 hour development work week.
[07:11] <LaserJock> truz24: well, in there isn't an "expected" you just do what you can
[07:12] <bddebian> truz24: Try a 40+ hour work week, a wife, and three kids :-)
[07:12] <truz24> :-)
[07:12] <truz24> Get a motorcycle, that will relieve some stress ;-)
[07:13] <bddebian> If I'm inside my pbuilder, how can I verify that it's breezy/dapper?
[07:13] <bddebian> truz24: As I said, I have a wife.  That isn't allowed.. ;-)
[07:14] <bddebian> Hello pef
[07:14] <truz24> :-)
[07:14] <pef> bddebian: hello :] 
[07:15] <LaserJock> bddebian: hmm, good question
[07:16] <LaserJock> I would guess if you did a pbuilder update or something you could see when it is doing the apt-get update
[07:17] <bddebian> OK, it's breezy
[07:17] <bddebian> Now I'll try to update your way :-)
[07:31] <bddebian> LaserJock: Damn, you were right about pbuilder.  Nice
[07:35] <LaserJock> bddebian: really? cool
[07:37] <LaserJock> dholbach: ping?
[07:37] <dholbach> LaserJock: pong
[07:37] <LaserJock> dholbach: do I have time for a last minut commit on  ubuntu-docs?
[07:37] <dholbach> yeah
[07:37] <dholbach> take your time
[07:38] <bddebian> How stupid is this crap:
[07:38] <bddebian>  survex-aven depends on survex (= 1.0.39); however:
[07:38] <bddebian>   Version of survex on system is 1.0.39ubuntu1.
[07:38] <dholbach> going to read a bit - will do an upload in an hour or two
[07:38] <dholbach> so consider me "away" now :)
[07:38] <LaserJock> dholbach: womble has rocked my pbuilder world so I need to adjust something
[07:38] <Yagisan> bddebian: got to love those
[07:38] <bddebian> No, I don't :-)
[07:39] <Yagisan> bddebian: at least that is easily fixable
[07:40] <Yagisan> bddebian: I have no idea why I get this error "/usr/lib/deng/libdropengl.so.0: undefined symbol: __stack_chk_fail_local" when I'm sure I included the lib it is in.
[07:43] <bddebian> Yagisan: At what point are you getting that error?
[07:43] <Yagisan> bddebian: runtime
[07:44] <Yagisan> bddebian: it should be using libssp from gcc-4.1
[07:44] <Yagisan> bddebian: and the main runtime *is* linked, uit the support libs it builds don't seem to be :(
[07:45] <Yagisan> s/uit/but
[07:45] <bddebian> Hmmm
[07:45] <azeem> Yagisan: two underscores look fishy
[07:45] <bddebian> Yagisan: Do:  objdump -T /usr/lib/libssp.so |grep stack_chk_fail_local
[07:47] <Yagisan> bddebian: it's lib32, but anyway, no output
[07:48] <Yagisan> bddebian: it does have "00000cc0 g    DF .text  00000027  LIBSSP_1.0  __stack_chk_fail" however
[07:48] <G0SUB_> are there any emacs gtk+xft packages for dapper?
[07:48] <Yagisan> bddebian: Is it likely I stuffed up ?
[07:49] <azeem> Yagisan: did you write libdropengl yourself
[07:49] <azeem> ?
[07:49] <Yagisan> azeem: nope, I just packaged the game it is part of
[07:50] <bddebian> Yagisan: How could you have done that?
[07:51] <Yagisan> bddebian: packaging mistake ?
[07:51] <azeem> Yagisan: my first bet is that libdropengl should not be using stuff with __ in the beginning and _local at the end
[07:51] <Yagisan> azeem: that appears to be droped in by gcc-4.1
[07:52] <Yagisan> azeem: yeah, that is gcc. the word local isn't in any of the 4 .c files that make up libdropengl
[07:53] <azeem> but they call __stack stuff?
[07:55] <Yagisan> azeem: only two occurrences of the word stack, and that is for a check for opengl stack over and underflow.
[07:56] <LaserJock> what is a good description of pbuilders base.tgz
[07:56] <azeem> ok, no idea then, sorry
[07:56] <LaserJock> "compressed environment"?
[07:56] <Yagisan> azeem: that's ok. Thanks for your help
[07:56] <Yagisan> bddebian: and thank you too
[07:56] <bddebian> NP
[07:57] <bddebian> Sorry I don't know more :-(
[07:57] <Yagisan> bddebian: no need to be sorry, I'm just getting bitten in the arse my new gcc features
[07:57] <Yagisan> s/my/by
[07:58] <LaserJock> bddebian: does "compressed environment" sound ok for a description of pbuilders base.tgz?
[07:58] <bddebian> LaserJock: Yeah
[07:58] <Yagisan> LaserJock: seems fine, perhaps "compressed build environment" depending on context
[07:59] <LaserJock> Yagisan: hmm, that does sound better
[08:08] <Yagisan> azeem: bddebian: I think I know what the problem is. Ubuntu's glibc doesn't have ssp support, so I need to manually specify alternate linking in my rules file. (or I could be completely wrong, I'll built it and see)
[08:09] <bddebian> Nice
[08:10] <Yagisan> bddebian: I get this working, then I can start submitting bugs + patches for a more secure ubuntu (and perhaps justify myself for ubuntu membership)
[08:12] <bddebian> Yagisan: Great
[08:29] <jabra> can I request a module for packaging
[08:29] <jabra> nmap::parser
[08:30] <jabra> really useful module that should be in ubuntu
[08:34] <crimsun> jabra: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New
[08:39] <jabra> k
[08:51] <infinito> has anyone a minute to review this?? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2267
[08:51] <Yagisan> bddebian: seems I was wrong :(
[08:52] <bddebian> Yagisan: What happened?
[08:53] <Yagisan> bddebian: no change at all
[08:56] <bddebian> Ugh
[09:00] <jabra> crimsun: ok added
[09:00] <jabra> let me know if you would like help testing as I have a few things to test it
[09:02] <Yagisan> bddebian: This is my results page for my project http://eyagi.bpa.nu/eyagi/our-research/technologies/e-yagi-security-enhanced-linux I've just listed that app as failed for now (until I work out how to fix it)
[09:07] <tseng>     * The first step to enabling support for this feature is to add libssp0-dev to the list of build dependencies.
[09:07] <tseng> gross :<
[09:07] <tseng> i guess it would be build-essential
[09:07] <Yagisan> tseng: well, it's not in libc for ubuntu
[09:07] <tseng> Yagisan: yeah, it would be nice to be pluggable
[09:08] <tseng> i am done arguing with a raving pappy- over the pros and cons of the libssp
[09:08] <tseng> :)
[09:09] <Yagisan> tseng: while I prefer it to be in libc, if at the moment I need libssp0-dev (part of gcc) for a proof of concept, so be it
[09:10] <bddebian> infinito: Is this a gui app?
[09:11] <Yagisan> tseng: have a favorite game to test it with ?
[09:14] <cbx33> evenin all
[09:15] <bddebian> Heya cbx33
[09:16] <Yagisan> G'day cbx33
[09:16] <cbx33> hi Yagisan
[09:16] <cbx33> bddebian, this Iconcache thingamajig
[09:16] <cbx33> i see you've participated
[09:17] <bddebian> Well I've tried :-)
[09:17] <cbx33> what needs to be added to the debian/rules?
[09:17] <cbx33> is it worth me having a look
[09:17] <cbx33> I know I'm not an ubuntu-motu
[09:18] <cbx33> I may be able to work on a few pacakges
[09:18] <bddebian> cbx33: Unfortunately probably not.  It's pretty much a quick one-line change and an upload
[09:18] <jpatrick> can someone poke http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2272 ?
[09:18] <cbx33> ok
[09:19] <cbx33> sorry bddebian
[09:19] <cbx33> bddebian, wondering if you could give me someinput on a fix
[09:20] <bddebian> cbx33: Don't be sorry
[09:20] <cbx33> there is a line in a patch that has been added in the debian/patchs folder
[09:20] <cbx33> but i need to patch it if you know what i mean
[09:20] <bddebian> Yes
[09:20] <cbx33> i can't edit the patch
[09:21] <cbx33> so do i need to make another path
[09:21] <cbx33> patch
[09:21] <bddebian> Just a line change or adding another line?
[09:21] <cbx33> that patches the patch
[09:21] <cbx33> it's editing a line that was edited in the previous patch already
[09:22] <infinito> bddebian: is a gnome applet
[09:22] <cbx33> any ideas?
[09:23] <cbx33> as I'm unsure what the proper procedure is here
[09:23] <bddebian> infinito: OK
[09:24] <bddebian> cbx33: Give me a sec
[09:24] <cbx33> np
[09:24] <bddebian> jpatrick: building now
[09:24] <cbx33> weh nyou have a sec
[09:24] <jpatrick> bddebian: cool
[09:25] <LaserJock> cbx33: you can sort of edit the patch
[09:25] <cbx33> LaserJock, I tried it and it didn't work
[09:25] <bddebian> cbx33: Is it a totally different line, or just changing a line already in the patch?
[09:25] <LaserJock> cbx33: if you cp the source into a tmp dir and then apply the patch, and then make your changes and recreate the patch
[09:26] <cbx33> LaserJock, that's what I was thinking
[09:27] <cbx33> yesterday, and i need to confirm this.... i tried creating the Source pacakge with no modification and it bombed out compolaing about not being able to apply the patch
[09:27] <cbx33> I'll double check it now
[09:29] <cbx33> LaserJock, thanks for the help with the chroot problem yesterday...cleared it right up
[09:29] <cbx33> was wondering if you wanted to add that to your docs
[09:29] <cbx33> about the LC_ALL=C
[09:29] <cbx33> cos that drove me nuts :p
[09:31] <dholbach> night guys
[09:31] <dholbach> see you at the hug day tomorrow
[09:32] <cbx33> nn dholbach
[09:32] <jpatrick> dholbach: night
[09:32] <infinito> bddebian: thanks for reviewing
[09:32] <LaserJock> cya dholbach, I'll try to make it as much as possible
[09:32] <dholbach> night cbx33, LaserJock, jpatrick
[09:32] <dholbach> rock on!
[09:32] <cbx33> rock on dholbach
[09:32] <cbx33> we need an ubunutu sign :p
[09:33] <dholbach> woohoo!
[09:33] <dholbach> *wave*
[09:33] <cbx33> o/
[09:34] <cbx33> brb
[09:35] <LaserJock> I just start playing my "Princes of the Universe" .ogg ;-)
[09:40] <infinito> how many reviews need a pkg to get uploaded?
[09:40] <jpatrick> two
[09:40] <mitsuhiko> ogra: ping
[09:40] <jpatrick> bddebian: any word?
[09:40] <infinito> and is it possible to get into dapper a pkg in revu?
[09:40] <jpatrick> until tomorrow
[09:41] <jpatrick> wb cbx33
[09:41] <cbx33> thanky
[09:41] <infinito> jpatrick: until tomorrow?
[09:42] <cbx33> what do i need to make man scrollable...it's just acting like more at the moment
[09:42] <cbx33> vi possibly?
[09:42] <jpatrick> infinito: i think
[09:42] <bddebian> jpatrick: Is mjpegtools in multiverse?
[09:42] <jpatrick> bddebian: er, yes
[09:42] <infinito> so i think im out of luck :(
[09:42] <bddebian> Gah, lame, hang on
[09:46] <cbx33> what options do we use when creating a patch here?
[09:49] <infinito> if a pkg on revu is accepted and uploaded, when ther's a new upstream version, should it be uploaded to revu again?
[09:50] <tseng> Yagisan: i really dont like the idea of changing every source package, unless the goal is to only cover a handful of daemons
[09:50] <tseng> Yagisan: but fair enough for testing
[09:50] <tseng> Yagisan: no games here :)
[09:52] <bddebian> cbx33: For dpatch, use dpatch-edit-patch <name of your patch>
[09:53] <bddebian> cbx33: If it is a dpatch you could even try dpatch-edit-patch <name of broken patch> ?
[09:55] <Yagisan> tseng: for testing I'll do it on a package by package basis to see what works. It would be nice to build with ssp on by default though
[09:56] <Yagisan> tseng: assuming minimal breakage
[09:56] <tseng> yeah
[09:56] <slomo> cbx33: install less and man is scrollable :)
[09:57] <tseng> i think in gentoo i had a list of stuff that was notably broken
[09:57] <cbx33> ah swat i thought
[09:57] <cbx33> thanx slomo
[09:57] <tseng> but i deleted that wiki
[09:59] <tseng> Yagisan: i am afraid of what kind of disaster id be walking into if i joined #gentoo-hardened-dev to ask about it
[10:00] <bddebian> Sheesh jpatrick, this is taking forever :-)
[10:00] <Yagisan> tseng: pity. I thought I'd try a few games that could run as servers, and some common utils first
[10:00] <jpatrick> bddebian: I too was suprised
[10:01] <Yagisan> tseng: unfortunately the first game I tried, needs more work then expected
[10:04] <bddebian> Heya Kyral
[10:04] <Kyral> Meh meh MEH!!!
[10:06] <Kyral> Damn the NVidia Drivers to HELL
[10:07] <LaserJock> heh, what vesa not good enough for you?
[10:07] <Kyral> No, they are causing instability in my system
[10:07] <Kyral> and right now I'm underclocked due to a heatwave
[10:08] <Yagisan> of course, it's Nvidia, that's what it is supposed to do
[10:08] <LaserJock> hmm, I just ssh and don't worry about all that silly X stuff
[10:08] <hub> Kyral: that's why I won't buy nVidia
[10:08] <Yagisan> Kyral: using the repo or upstream ?
[10:08] <LaserJock> hub: what would you buy?
[10:08] <Kyral> Yagisan: Oh, I'm on ArchLinux :P
[10:09] <hub> LaserJock: I have an Intel in my laptop
[10:09] <Yagisan> hub: never used new ati then have you ?
[10:09] <Kyral> but on Kubuntu the problem persisted
[10:09] <hub> old Radeon with the free driver
[10:09] <hub> Yagisan: ATI is as much evil
[10:09] <Yagisan> hub: I said new for a reason
[10:09] <hub> binary drivers are Evil
[10:09] <Kyral> Do the ATI Free apply to the newer cards?
[10:09] <LaserJock> I've never had any problems with my nvidia cards
[10:10] <hub> LaserJock: is the driver available for PowerPC to run on a Mac with Linux?
[10:11] <Yagisan> Kyral: no, (well some experimental support IIRC)
[10:11] <hub> the latest ATI don't even have a binary shit for linux
[10:11] <hub> because ATI do not care
[10:11] <LaserJock> hub: hmm? I've never run linux on a mac
[10:12] <hub> LaserJock: I have for a long time
[10:12] <hub> LaserJock: fortunately I had a Rage128 in it
[10:13] <LaserJock> my iMac has a x1600 but I haven't tested it out or anything
[10:13] <ajmitch> morning
[10:13] <LaserJock> hi ajmitch
[10:13] <Yagisan> morning ajmitch
[10:13] <hub> LaserJock: X1600 does not have a Linux driver at all
[10:14] <LaserJock> hub: exactly, so if I *could* boot linux on this thing I wouldn't much fun with X
[10:15] <Kyral> grrr
[10:15] <Kyral> I think my VidCard is going
[10:16] <Yagisan> Kyral: not fun
[10:16] <jpatrick> bddebian: you can just say yes
[10:16] <Kyral> This damn thing keeps seizing up anytime I enable ANY kinda of Acceleration
[10:16] <Yagisan> Kyral: I had a GFMX440 die in a heatwave here
[10:16] <bddebian> jpatrick: ?
[10:17] <Yagisan> Kyral: renderaccel turned on ?
[10:17] <Kyral> No
[10:17] <Kyral> Turned off
[10:17] <Kyral> hell I was just using NV with DRI
[10:17] <jpatrick> bddebian: for the package
[10:17] <Yagisan> Kyral: ok. that eliminates that major source of problems
[10:17] <Kyral> Turning it on or off?
[10:17] <Yagisan> Kyral: you get dri with nv ?
[10:17] <Kyral> dunno
[10:17] <Yagisan> Kyral: turning it off
[10:17] <Kyral> hmm
[10:18] <Kyral> I do like Arch's idea
[10:19] <Kyral> they provide a Daemon that checks at boot to see if the NVidia driver has been compiled for the current Kernel and if it hasn't it compiles it on the fly
[10:19] <bddebian> jpatrick: Ah
[10:26] <jpatrick> bddebian: thanks
[10:53] <bddebian> Sheesh, cernlib is a pig
[10:58] <LaserJock> bddebian: heh, glad I don't have to do it then ;-)
[10:58] <LaserJock> noooooo
[10:58] <bddebian> Speaking of which, there is a WAY newer version of dx in Debian
[10:58] <crimsun> heh, beta freeze is in 3 hours, so... no.
[10:59] <bddebian> nooooo
[10:59] <jpatrick> does it affect universe too?
[11:00] <crimsun> yes
[11:00] <LaserJock> what freeze?
[11:00] <LaserJock> ;-)
[11:01] <LaserJock> I wouldn't think beta freeze would affect Universe
[11:01] <LaserJock> FF didn't seem to
[11:02] <crimsun> eh, both UVF and FF applied. We just were a bit more slack.
[11:02] <LaserJock> FF didn't according to mdz
[11:02] <LaserJock> or my reading of mdz ;-)
[11:08] <LaserJock> I honestly have no idea what applies and what doesn't anymore. We *really* have to fix that for Dapper+1
[11:09] <crimsun> UVF and FF were supposed to apply to universe just as stringently. What actually ended up happening...
[11:10] <crimsun> in any case, I'm deferring thinking about new ones until dapper+1, because we only have a month til this whole shebang is released, so bugsquashing it is
[11:10] <LaserJock> +1
[11:11] <LaserJock> I think we just might want to be a little more consistent next time ;-)
[11:12] <crimsun> certainly.
[11:12] <crimsun> the whole n-m and wpasupplicant -> main is a bit sour in my mouth, but I realise its relative importance to many users.
[11:14] <bddebian> Yeah but something like dx has no rdepends
[11:14] <bddebian> :-)
[11:14] <crimsun> bddebian: you get the tar and feathering when it breaks, then :p
[11:15] <bddebian> Well it's currently FTBFS so what could be the issue? :-)
[11:15] <crimsun> it does?
[11:16] <crimsun> oh, probably !386
[11:17] <crimsun> err
[11:18] <crimsun> bddebian: are you talking about the same dx I am?
[11:18] <crimsun> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/dx/1:4.3.2-7   <--
[11:18] <crimsun> (unless you mean from Debian, probably?)
[11:21] <jouni__m> How about adding ffmpeg2theora to dapper? It could export ogg theora packed video from kino (or from command line) I installed it from debian unstable. It seems to work well.
[11:22] <bddebian> crimsun: Yes.
[11:22] <crimsun> jouni__m: we're way past FF.
[11:24] <LaserJock> bddebian: heh, just wait for Debian to remove it, that seems to be solving our problems today ;p
[11:25] <bddebian> LaserJock: Heh, no kidding :-)
[11:32] <bddebian> crimsun: I may have lied..
[11:34] <bddebian> Oh well, gotta head home, later gang
[11:51] <incon> autoconf should come with /usr/share/libtool/install.sh ?
[11:54] <azeem> incon: automake ships that, AFAIK
[11:54] <azeem> well, install.sh in general
[11:59] <incon> well when a run autoconf it doesnt have a sad now
[11:59] <incon> azeem: thank you